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Episode 123: HBO's The Last Of Us episode 5! · WASD and Beyond

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  Hello everybody. Welcome back to the episode.
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  The wasd and Beyond podcast. This is going to be very
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  depressing episode of our last of a series and Logan's doing
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  But before we get to the bad time left, goddamn goddamn just
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  yeah. Before we get to the bad time
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  Logan turn your head set down. A little bit more.
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  Really. It's that 40% of put it down to
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  in the episode description. We're going to happen in this
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  episode though. We are talking about episode 5
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  of The Last of Us and I'm gonna go into another rant as I did
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  the first time this series ramped up like this.
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  This is a incredibly sad episode.
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  If you are feeling some type of way, don't watch this episode
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  and a good headspace, like maybe save this for like a sunny day.
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  This episode to immediately. Darken it.
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  You're not having a great day till next weekend episode 5.
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  Is. Thus far the darkest episode,
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  These the bill episode in the as the bill so it is so beautiful.
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  It is by saying it has beautiful sadness happy it's very happy.
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  That's what they said they said the bill episode was happy.
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  Yeah and this episode is fucking not everybody.
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  Everybody watched episode 3 and they were like okay that's that
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  was beautiful. Those like 10/10 pretty good and
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  then episode 4. Like they see, ya, Neil
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  druckmann goes, that's the happy episode and everybody's like,
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  yeah, he's just talking. Now, that's what we did on the
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  show. Sister, like you trying to get
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  people, he's like he's trying to get people to, you know, just
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  watch the next episode and then episode for came, and I was
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  like, yeah, see exactly were right in that episode 5 came in.
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  I was like, holy shit. So Ryan I was watching this
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  episode with Noah our graphic designer and really good friend
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  of item designs. Yeah.
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  And we were speechless because like the episode ramps, that the
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  thing with this episode, it doesn't, it's not like a
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  Perpetual thing. Like it's like it 30% the whole
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  all's you, it lulls you, it's like hey welcome to episode 5
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  you know like okay cool like it's another cold open
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  phenomenal. We'll get into all this in a
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  minute. It's it just lulls you into the
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  sense of like we're saying is, it's five minutes.
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  How the fuck did we get here? Well, that's bring everything in
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  between, so that is exactly what I'm getting at though.
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  Like the ramp was so wild where we're sitting there going.
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  Okay. okay, and then it hits were like Fuck.
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  They're like yeah, dude. All right.
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  Well yeah, just yeah, the cold open.
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  I think is very great. The tire was phenomenal.
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  The tie-in. Yeah, they did a really good
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  job, tying everything in. I liked how they got us.
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  Two, we follow you. I liked the, the touch they
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  added, which makes me think now of The game.
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  Yeah. When they're fighting after the
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  Ambush, if Henry saw Joel fighting in the game like I like
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  that touch. That was so like it's cool
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  because it was like it was only an 11-day Gap from when they
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  broke free from fedra and the way that the entire way to like
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  when you say when they, when they make their game plan
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  together to leave the attic and they get to that door that table
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  against the door and he Looks Henry looks up and you hear the
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  gunshots? And I immediately was like,
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  that's, that's Joel. That's what we, that's what me
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  and Noah said, yep. Yeah.
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  Will you see him Dome that guy too?
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  If they didn't shy away from that?
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  No, they didn't. I liked it.
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  And I liked how they even did that.
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  Little touch of Henry. Thinking that Joel was looking
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  at them, right? Because Joel never does because
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  if Joel saw somebody looking at him he certainly would have
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  reacted to a right. Here's the thing though.
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  I think no, I know he didn't see him but apartment you like did
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  Joel because Joel is very acute and aware.
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  He's a especially aware of when there could be more people
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  coming. And like you just that that is
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  like, that sort of situation. But I like that tie in and how
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  they kind of get us from seeing the attic in episode 4.
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  And just kind of knowing. Yeah there's a story that
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  happened here seeing that story be played out and then seeing
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  Henry and Sam meet Joel and Ellie which I got to say, my
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  parents were cracking up that entire like interaction where he
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  she's like nah that's just an asshole but he talks like an
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  asshole all the time to see what she's like as well.
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  Yeah, yes. I say something.
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  She's say hi. And he goes.
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  Hello. And she's like, because she's
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  absolutely say that they that were okay, yeah, we're fine.
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  That wasn't convincing. He's I did that's like awesome
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  shit. You would see, not trying to
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  plug the server that shit you would literally see in this one
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  camp summer. It's like like okay make this
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  person feel better. It's like someone says something
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  and you're like, dude, that did not that didn't that didn't do
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  it. Yeah.
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  No Honestly though, we talked about the cold open for a
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  minute. Yeah.
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  What do you want to talk about? But it just Death By A Thousand
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  Cuts guy that was even cuts. That wasn't.
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  So if you if you look it was a bunch of fucking screwdrivers.
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  Like someone opened the fucking Hardware.
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  Cabinet was just like, yeah, dude, I was like, I was Dude, I
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  was like talking to him like they did not pull back punches
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  for that. I was gonna say that too because
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  I was watching it and I was like, okay, really them out.
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  You got to be some form of aggressive to drive a company
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  like Phaedra, if I'm not mistaken.
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  I thought I saw when they first cut to the dead person on the
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  ground, I thought it was a kid, like a baby.
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  Like I thought, like just with the way that it was not.
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  Blair was yours. Dad, almost you see in the show
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  right now wouldn't be that hard for you to find and we will get
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  to that. More like that.
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  Unfortunately, a lot of that was.
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  Yeah, the cold open. I thought was really good just
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  in showing. I mean so if you listen to the
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  after like five minute thing after each episode, that is what
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  Craig Mazin says, I think in that or the they're like,
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  they're recording that they do after each episode.
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  But he said something about that, where he's like, typically
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  you see throughout history that there's a, there's an occupying
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  Force, that's a terrible influence, or like their job.
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  So for yeah and then the and then there's a Ellucian that
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  happens and they end up not being nearly.
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  They're not better. They're worse or just the same
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  and you got to really see that in some ways through episode 4
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  of how they're just knock on people's doors down because
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  Kathleen tells them to look for Henry.
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  But you really get to see the night that it happens where it's
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  like they're breaking bottles over Federal people's heads, you
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  know they're just you know going wild they don't care.
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  Let you have the death from 1000, get the hanging the one
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  dude. Yeah, they all got into their
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  trucks and their driving off and they're throwing bottles and
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  spray painting the sides of the vehicles and tell them.
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  Yeah. They're going crazy.
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  And I like that thing that you brought up their neck is that
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  it's been 11 days, like that, not even been two weeks.
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  Would you assume that they've done?
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  That, that was two years ago. Three years ago, dude.
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  It's me while I wouldn't say two years, but I thought like, I
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  thought a couple weeks like maybe a month, you know.
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  I thought it was like years. Okay?
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  Yeah. I thought it was like maybe a
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  month. I thought it.
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  Just like without some of its disorganized have their shit
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  together to a degree, though. Yes, it was because
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  she was rough because there was a Yeah, like towards the end,
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  which we'll get to. Yeah, the just there was you I
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  think you guys could tell which line I'm talking about, but
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  like, there's a line where I just was like, okay, like you,
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  you Christian, maybe she's a good guy and maybe her brother
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  was kind of the bad guy and I'm like, my brother was kind of a
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  bad guy. I'm going to kind of assume that
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  she's probably a bad person as well and then she has to be
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  completely mad. You said a couple things.
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  I was like yeah no no, no bad guy, bad guy.
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  No. Redeeming quality brother was a
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  good one. Yeah.
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  Apparently, according to everybody that like mentions
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  him, he's like a saint like even when he gets locked up, he's
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  still like almost just wanted to be free of federal control and
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  music on Peaceful protesters. I mean by and large is described
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  as being one like, yeah, he wasn't, but I'm saying that the,
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  the people who said that about him are also the same people who
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  believe in that same aspect for cat.
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  Well, we'll get to that. So, because what Henry says,
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  Yeah, so we'll get that later on the episode but dude, that whole
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  open was phenomenal, man, it was great.
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  It was the tie in that. Was that if you were to look at
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  a TV show, that's Cinema that is Cinema, that was a wonderful tie
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  and I thought that time was really good because it's also
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  like in the times, the only times we've gotten previously
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  really have been, you know, they're years like they're at
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  the start of the outbreak like one and two are at the start of
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  the outbreak in terms of those episode numbers and This is.
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  Yeah. Like ten days.
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  It will either lead. Episode 1 is like 30 30 years in
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  the past, I guess. Yeah.
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  Hypothesis that. This could happen you, right?
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  Yeah. It's 30.
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  Gold. Open is getting.
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  It's almost like every cold. Open is slowly getting closer
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  and closer. Yeah.
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  Currently, which makes me curious to that end of episode 8
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  and 9? I wonder what those colder.
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  Ooh, good call Oogie. Yeah, I'm honestly, a, here's
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  the thing is that I've been Ever since we started this and we're
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  recording every episode, like, our reactions are reviews and
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  whatnot. I have been at this point where
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  it's like, yeah, I know what's happening.
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  I know how this is going. And now that we've just finished
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  this, I'm sitting here going my brains peeling through
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  information of the game that I remember and then going it's
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  almost like an Assassin's Creed memories thinking it's failing
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  every time where I'm like, okay, I remember when I remember when
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  Jill meets Tommy and the game and then I'm seeing the preview
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  for The Next Episode. I'm going, that's not how Joe
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  me. Is Tommy in the game, like, oh
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  my God, completely completely different.
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  So I'm really, really thrown that mental state out in terms
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  of like if there's a moment that I see on screen and I'm like
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  that's from the game that I make that connection.
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  But yeah, stops caring about like trying to force it because
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  at the end of the day they're doing a great job with it.
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  And as the point that that the director made in that cut at the
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  end, They look at the game and they look at their ideas.
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  It's there and they try better CEO go with it.
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  If it's equal or worse, it will stick to the game with what
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  they've done. That's not gang-related, it has
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  been on equal quality. Like there was a part in the
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  game. We're in the show this episode
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  where they are in that bunker, that kids area in driving with a
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  Christian ago, secretly, I kind of wish that this was in the
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  game like this exact room, because, as you can see, if you
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  could picture it being in the game, Really.
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  Yeah, really like to just walk around and enjoy.
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  This this setting is really interesting in like you know,
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  they make that little nod where there's the poster on the wall
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  that relates to the gay but I almost want to like the vice
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  versa where it was like, you get to walk around that room from
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  the show. Then you get to physically pick
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  up kids notes or teachers notes and read them and get really
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  involved in that in that setting.
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  So they're doing silly job. I've said, I've stopped really
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  caring about what's going to be from the game at this point
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  because I think is you guys. You know, you guys are kind of
• 15:36
  worried at first but the pacing one season for it to fit.
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  It this giant ass game. It's gonna work.
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  What we've seen think it's working.
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  They're pacing where I think we're.
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  So the funny thing is this they actually in the behind the
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  scenes for this episode, they bring up this.
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  You haven't seen much infected, there's good reason because in
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  fact, it is gameplay, right? It's working though and it makes
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  fucking sense. And that like we they almost
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  made the people at the end. The gameplay like they're the
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  gameplay and I mean fucking a. Yeah, you know, like it's
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  working man like I've got I've come to learn to for what I do.
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  Remember of the game because I played this game, Evan.
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  I was in Logan. I was smiling.
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  I was probably in my early late teens.
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  They see how old are you now, 31.
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  So you would have been 21. Damn, really fun years ago.
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  I was just laughing because I'm realizing that this came out 10
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  years ago. You were 21.
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  He was 18. I played this game.
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  I was 13 years old. You see this?
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  You see this giant Gap. So that's awesome though.
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  And I played it and let me tell you as a thirteen-year-old
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  you're like Yammer is the zombie game.
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  I remember the trailer. Cool.
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  And then you get 10 minutes into it.
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  You're like holy shit. I just watched someone my age
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  get shot and die. Anyway you're like oh my God.
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  Like that, that hurt. Like I think I grew up a little
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  that day. I was like Jesus that's rough.
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  Everything that closer emotional attachment because of the age
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  for sure. Yeah well the thing that Evan
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  and Logan brought up that I find interesting is there and I agree
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  with the sentiment is you're looking in your head, your
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  memory bank, and your brain going.
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  I know. Imagine I know what's going to
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  happen. Yeah I'm I'll be okay.
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  Shit pops off you go that didn't happen.
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  I am not okay. It still hurts.
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  Like it's still so close. I was with him Henry and Sam not
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  so much. I mean, but the thing is it
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  still could fit the game. They if you completely erased
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  Henry and say I'm situation in the actual Asus gaming replaced
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  it with that scenario, it would still work and that's why it
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  still works. So well, it doesn't feel.
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  Out of place, may we also talked about Henry and Sam.
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  Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's diapered a little bit here
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  and let's talk. It talk about every and Sam.
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  Let's talk specifically at the moment about Sam and the fucking
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  kid who played him because motherfucker that kid rules.
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  Dude, that girl is awesome. I love that kid.
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  That key is my fucking ugly wounds.
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  And do that kid really, I'm cheated everyone on set was like
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  willing to learn like not even just the actors like you saw
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  this. Esther is exactly.
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  And I'm not saying this kid rules because he's deaf, I'm
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  saying he rules because it's very fucking a great actor.
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  He fucking every time that kids on the screen that is his
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  fucking scene and then said he's deaf and that just adds to it.
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  Do, I couldn't take my goals like like when there's the same
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  between him and Ali when they're reading through the comic book
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  in there like their signing to each other, I couldn't take my
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  eyes off him. I was like, I just love
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  Beautiful Moments, the look on his face.
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  He's acting so, well, with what's going on and he just he's
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  getting it, right? So good thing.
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  This is acting, oh my God, it's not good.
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  Kids fault to the day their kids, but when you can see a kid
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  that young performing is such a Korea's role that well, it just
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  makes it like, it just gives it that much more realism.
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  Because, like, when they showed that he was actually deaf, I was
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  also like, okay, actually that makes this moment.
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  So I order but way more involved in depth and I knew he was done
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  with Evan. And I both knew he was there.
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  I knew he was deaf. This kid rules, dude?
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  Like yeah, man, every scene he was in the entire episode but
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  like what I'm saying is his presence and him going.
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  Fuck. All of you.
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  This is my show. No, he was supposed to be, he
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  was supposed to be the standout and every time they showed him
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  he made sure that he delivered and Was that?
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  Who you're so good? It's fantastic.
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  Like what I will bring it up yet like the spoilers because we're
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  still going to be episode, but that last scene of The crucial
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  scene, the acting on that was so incredible from him.
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  That Christie literally asked even though it's such a awful
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  scene. Christy literally wanted to go
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  back and re-watch it because he's like that was just like
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  that was so awesome. I want to also give a shout-out
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  to the actor who played Henry. I was absolutely captivating.
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  Again, that last scene is acting in that last scene.
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  Wow, that was fun. Like I was like, literally,
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  Christina, like jaw dropped just like what else could happen II
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  was I was just amazed. I was my both them, honestly.
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  Like, again, it's kind of funny because we've talked about
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  episode 3 being, you know, Bill and Frank, and yeah, and like,
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  realistically, we've gotten episodes two and four with Ellie
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  and Joel and really focusing on them.
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  Whereas, with this, it was all, we were still mostly, I mean,
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  throughout the whole episode, we were with Henry and Sam, but
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  Even when we had jointly together, I was still focused on
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  more. Yes, Henry in sand, like
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  i--'cause, I know them. And I understand what happens.
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  And I love them for who they are in both game and show.
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  And it was just the, it was watching especially Henry in the
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  bunker. Like, we learned so much about
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  Henry and this in and granted, you don't, that doesn't matter
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  in the game, because in the game, they're in Pittsburgh,
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  they're not even in the same city, it's not the same
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  situation, but To see, you know, you hear this whole story of
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  Kathleen and she's hunting Henry, because something
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  happened to her brother. Nobody Army said for one guy,
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  seems kind of excessive, doesn't it?
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  Yeah, I've done that and I'm a bad guy.
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  I love it. How he goes into it, dude.
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  Yeah, he goes into it and he says yeah, you know, like and
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  the hurting the the hurtful thing about it is him going and
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  saying, you know, he was a great man.
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  Never ask for anything. Wasn't self-love this man?
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  He was a, yeah, he loved him and he goes and, you know, Sam had
• 22:50
  cancer and yeah, yeah. Yeah leukemia and I had to save
• 22:54
  him and there was only one drug that could and Phaedra had It
• 22:58
  like like he's describing how like how he has to do?
• 23:03
  Is it like this is the situation I was in almost not even asking
• 23:07
  to Joel but just posing the scenario and saying what would
• 23:10
  you do? And Joel is looking at him like
• 23:12
  I would do the same damn same fucking thing and he goes you
• 23:16
  may not be your father but I know you were a father.
• 23:18
  Someone else I can tell that hurt me that was an emotional
• 23:22
  punch out loud. I went you don't bring that up
• 23:26
  and you know how that's immediately when that That scene
• 23:28
  ends, you know? Yeah, a drug gets up and says,
• 23:30
  alright, we've waited long enough and even L he's like,
• 23:32
  yes, that's this is cute. That's his cute of go.
• 23:35
  I'm shutting down your too close.
• 23:37
  I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta push you out, which is
• 23:40
  unable to do. He is unable to push salmon
• 23:43
  Henry out, and I love that. I love selling calls about that
• 23:47
  leader calls about A sweating every episode.
• 23:59
  It's becoming harder and harder to say well just cargo and I
• 24:04
  said Elly calls about. She's like, he tells you you
• 24:07
  guys can't come with us, he'll change his mind.
• 24:10
  He's gonna go. No and then I go ask what
• 24:12
  million times and ago fine. And that will she know.
• 24:17
  So is it always goes this way? He goes yes no we're not gonna
• 24:20
  do that and then I asked him like a million times and he says
• 24:24
  I'm going to come To bring us up real quick.
• 24:27
  I'm sorry. No good.
• 24:29
  I know we've seen Ali as Ellie the Pasco episodes.
• 24:35
  Bella Ramsay has been killing it.
• 24:39
  This was LE 120. Fucking.
• 24:43
  Princess is where you see her evolved.
• 24:45
  At least in that setting of this was a leading to not become that
• 24:50
  scared, little girl, exactly. Even though starting to snap
• 24:55
  into that, Even though at the end, I'll spoil the right now,
• 25:01
  you know, Sam goes. Are you ever afraid?
• 25:03
  She goes all the time. All the fucking I do.
• 25:08
  I look afraid and he says, never and he goes, well, I'm afraid
• 25:11
  all the time well, and I love. This is something that has
• 25:15
  really, this never explained in either of the games or the DLC,
• 25:19
  for part 1, but it's something that if you're not, you don't be
• 25:23
  eagle-eyed to pick up on it. But if you pay attention to
• 25:25
  Ellie and you understand where she's coming.
• 25:27
  Increment. The reason she says things.
• 25:29
  She says it. She writes it in this episode.
• 25:31
  She goes, I'm scared of being alone.
• 25:33
  And that is her biggest fear. Is he is alone for long.
• 25:36
  She will not let go Joel and it is so he's got her.
• 25:44
  Even if they were going to that drop-off Point, even if they did
• 25:47
  make it like she's sad. we'll come back to that because
• 26:18
  whoever that little actress was my girlfriend, they definitely
• 26:22
  hired life, some Young kid toys. He was a Russian tour Romanian
• 26:27
  as a Russian or maybe what has to be Romanian?
• 26:31
  Look up. Look up.
• 26:31
  Look up Romanian, gymnast or like one of the best in the
• 26:33
  world. That's why I brought it up as a
• 26:35
  funny. Anyways, everything is the best
• 26:37
  in the world in Romania. Anyway.
• 26:38
  No, it's not remain as our shit, all country.
• 26:40
  I just my family resides from there.
• 26:43
  The penguin is my city dude, back to Kansas City.
• 26:47
  Anyway, we're back on their back in the States.
• 26:50
  The Good Old City. They've devised the plan.
• 26:54
  They're getting out of the city and it seems.
• 26:56
  Yes, it does. We've already gotten to the
• 26:59
  bunker. We've already talked about that.
• 27:01
  They arise from the bunker a little town.
• 27:05
  Now, this is over. Yes, ever talk in the kids room
• 27:10
  about how to get to it before they well, they're making the
• 27:14
  plan in that in that hotel, you know.
• 27:15
  They make that idea of okay. Here's the plan and talks about
• 27:19
  the tunnels and how they're used to be a bunch of infected
• 27:22
  Federal. Said, two or three years ago,
• 27:25
  they colluded Adam. Yeah, I was honestly really
• 27:28
  expecting to see a scene there where like, you know, shit went
• 27:31
  sour. So to see them just kind of pop
• 27:33
  out into the town, I was like, oh, they they made it and it
• 27:36
  was, I would say was always, though it was a good like die.
• 27:41
  Persian. It was a sign.
• 27:43
  It was a, it was a diversion because I was like, okay, then
• 27:46
  go that they know the typical route where it's like.
• 27:48
  Okay, here we are and how your big bold letters.
• 27:51
  There's a clicker. Or here's some Infected know,
• 27:56
  they get to The Burbs and they meet a sniper essentially Andy I
• 28:01
  think is there and yeah remember Andy or Andrew or whatever and
• 28:05
  it just it's just this awesome scene man.
• 28:09
  And I told Noah because like they're pinned down by gunfire
• 28:14
  and Joel's like listen you look Sally's like do you trust me?
• 28:18
  He is not going to hit you. He has shit aim and when he said
• 28:21
  he has shit. Hey Matt his Work out, he has
• 28:24
  shitty, I do Dyke, there's lizard wrong.
• 28:27
  Do he wasn't that old ass bitch, but this episode does something
• 28:33
  really well and it is adding a bit of levity to something.
• 28:37
  So, heavy Until the End, obviously which are about to,
• 28:41
  we're going to get to very soon. So this scene happens and I
• 28:45
  thought the way they shot, the scene in The Burbs was just so
• 28:50
  well done. And we've brought this up every
• 28:53
  Episode. But it's so convincing this is
• 28:56
  done. The, the budget here is just so
• 29:00
  amazing. Well, we've discussed it before
• 29:03
  that, they've got it. They got more for like this
• 29:06
  entire season than all of the first five seasons of Game of
• 29:08
  Thrones and to, which people were pissed about, I guess,
• 29:12
  whatever. Get over it.
• 29:13
  The, you know what, the last thing was that made HBO a ton of
• 29:16
  fucking money was Game of Thrones and you know what has
• 29:19
  yet to fucking throw money again, they don't give a fuck.
• 29:26
  That has been that good of a story and made them that much
• 29:29
  money. Nothing.
• 29:31
  It's just. It's also because they last
• 29:33
  season the game Sopranos better than we were the rounds.
• 29:36
  Yeah, you're comparing apples to oranges.
• 29:39
  I'm not compared. I compared a Honeycrisp to a
• 29:42
  yeah, seriously, like I. Yeah.
• 29:46
  Anyway, moving on. Good cereal.
• 29:50
  Both good series, I would say up until a certain season for one
• 29:53
  of my guys, nice, high five internet.
• 29:55
  Figure, that figure, that one out.
• 29:57
  Um, but yeah, I was going to say it's very, very instant and I've
• 30:01
  loved seeing on, when I was using Twitter, I saw the I
• 30:07
  forget their name but he was basically like the an episode
• 30:12
  for you. See a lot of these broken down
• 30:14
  cars. Yeah.
• 30:15
  And he was posting the like continuous shot.
• 30:20
  Shot of like ear was. Here's what it was day one.
• 30:22
  Here's what it was day, 12. Here's what it is in the final
• 30:25
  shy. Here's what it is before cut
• 30:26
  like edits basically and it was just so cool to see them, lay
• 30:30
  the scene down, physically, and, and make everything.
• 30:32
  My dad actually asked that in episode 4 as well, where he's,
• 30:35
  they're driving through and they go through the bridge, and it's
• 30:38
  got the overturned ships and the in the river.
• 30:41
  And my dad's, like, how do they do that?
• 30:43
  Like, is that like, it looks real?
• 30:44
  Did they put fake ones there that looked real?
• 30:47
  Did they CGI? How do they do it?
• 30:49
  And I The say because of what you said as well.
• 30:51
  Like the houses look like they are.
• 30:53
  They've been like empty for those are the real things
• 30:57
  Street. Yeah, they like the Earth has
• 30:59
  reclaimed. What?
• 30:59
  It's what is it says it? Which is the whole point.
• 31:02
  I guess what would happen if he exists and it shows all the
• 31:08
  major cities and like the deputation time.
• 31:11
  Like, it felt like you were watching that, but they like,
• 31:14
  took the notes from that, just replicated it.
• 31:17
  And, of course, bigger budgets, and think about that much.
• 31:20
  You better be like that shit. Look like they were walking down
• 31:23
  and I think another another show that's similar to that, that was
• 31:28
  equally able to do. It was Walking Dead.
• 31:31
  Walking Dead head, pretty good jobs and stuff.
• 31:33
  And some of those like a survival game, can't mention
• 31:36
  stuff, like the towns where you really did feel like this is a
• 31:39
  town that was abandoned and people are now slowly kind of
• 31:43
  like bills, bills compound like slowly trying to make it look
• 31:47
  normal. Yeah, there's a different visual
• 31:49
  style but I definitely agree. Yeah.
• 31:51
  And some respect just the atmosphere.
• 31:53
  You felt like you were in a real town.
• 31:55
  That's how it felt like you were walking down an old suburb but
• 31:57
  no one's lived in for 20 years. That's yeah.
• 32:00
  Gone it's gone. It's no longer Supply have a.
• 32:03
  I think that the the visuals that I liked for this especially
• 32:07
  that seen Nick is. Yeah.
• 32:09
  I liked the obviously the the cinematography the composition
• 32:13
  of all the shots and just how the scene was set up like in
• 32:16
  terms of the setting and everything like that.
• 32:18
  I thought It was great but I love the dialogue of Joe.
• 32:21
  Looking at Ellen going, do you trust me?
• 32:23
  And then also when Joel says like he it's darkening a shit am
• 32:28
  is I love. It's, it's Joel continuously
• 32:32
  saying to both not only l.a. now, but to Henry and Sam as
• 32:35
  well as hey, I've been around the block and that's why I'm
• 32:39
  here like because there's that time to where he's pissed at
• 32:42
  them right before. He's like shut the fuck up.
• 32:44
  Like we're walking to the Dome Henry of Sam.
• 32:46
  Try to book it while they're getting.
• 32:48
  A shot at the case. Then they do 118 go.
• 32:50
  That was bad, never mind. Yeah.
• 32:53
  And Joel's almost looking at him like you should have listened to
• 32:56
  me. Like a fucking is not the first
• 32:59
  time that Joel makes that look. Because when they're going down
• 33:01
  into the sewers. And Joel asked Sally, like he's
• 33:04
  like Get Your Gun out and she grabs it out of her pouch and he
• 33:07
  looks at her and there's no dialogue, but it's just the
• 33:09
  simple look of I told you to put it in your backpack and yeah me.
• 33:13
  We'll talk about this later depending on camera me.
• 33:21
  And he turns around to unlock the door and she immediately
• 33:23
  left looks at it. And then looks at her, she sold
• 33:26
  herself out of this episode. So, yeah, but I love that.
• 33:29
  I love that acting where she, she looks at him like, okay.
• 33:33
  Oh, like he's gonna come over late season.
• 33:36
  It's back to that mindset that she has of him, or it's like
• 33:39
  he's gonna say, no. But if I do it, or if I asked a
• 33:42
  million times at the end of the day, Yeah, what's he really
• 33:46
  gonna do to me, ground? Me and despair.
• 33:48
  And right now, he's like, I can't yell at you.
• 33:50
  And like Siri what? You get, what am I going to do?
• 33:54
  I'm not gonna tell you to put it away now.
• 33:55
  Well, save it that to think what am I good at?
• 33:57
  How am I going to thread you? What am I going to do?
• 33:59
  You pull a gun out and say, my life?
• 34:00
  So that means I'm going to take my gun out and put it to your
• 34:02
  head and then you didn't listen to me like what do you do in
• 34:05
  that possible? Joel's like brain our front of
• 34:12
  people and I got to meet you. But yes, I did.
• 34:21
  Notice that. I love that tie like this Doles.
• 34:24
  Like, yeah, really. Well, I laughed about that too
• 34:27
  because, you know, he says, Henry's outlet that day care
• 34:31
  areas. As, you know, I'm a bad guy.
• 34:33
  Did bad things in there my head. I'm like, Joel tell you.
• 34:36
  But if you could tell you the stuff he's done, I'm sure you
• 34:38
  would look at him back. Oh, I'm a good guy.
• 34:39
  You're the bad guy? Yeah, I like how they're they're
• 34:44
  really Weaving. A different thing that you will
• 34:46
  in this entire series is like in the game.
• 34:49
  He is cold and inhospitable. Most of the time even to Henry
• 34:52
  and Sam, he never really warms up.
• 34:54
  But then, in this episode, yeah, when Henry goes, hey, you know,
• 34:57
  this is what it is, blah blah blah, and Joel goes, You Know,
• 35:01
  You're a Rat. I'm not going to work with a
• 35:03
  rat, you know? That was a hard-ass line
• 35:05
  diverting back to test like just, you know, know this is
• 35:09
  what she told me. I'm not going to listen to you
• 35:10
  because she's thinking, Robert was rag, you know, he's thinking
• 35:13
  the same stuff. and then he thinks about it and he goes,
• 35:17
  listen, if you were doing it for him, I understand there's to me,
• 35:20
  was also a click, he clicks right there and he says, you
• 35:26
  know, you have to You have to do what you have to do to save your
• 35:31
  loved ones and that's that. So you brought up the ratline.
• 35:38
  Did you had me worrying? Like I was, I had my micro
• 35:41
  screwed up. You may go.
• 35:41
  No, you're just you're perfect. You're perfect.
• 35:44
  Sorry. I had to get that out the.
• 35:47
  The light he brought up. You're a fucking rat.
• 35:50
  That's exactly what Kathleen says that group.
• 35:54
  She is interrogating. So your fucking rats and a
• 35:57
  complete? Yeah, there's edited Circle.
• 36:00
  They said same towels Circle Dude.
• 36:03
  And when they did that, I went holy shit.
• 36:08
  Yeah because Kathleen and Joel of both been wrong here.
• 36:12
  The difference is though is that Joel is able to live with it and
• 36:16
  go on and one of the things Joel is breathing I wouldn't say he's
• 36:20
  living with the he's breathing able to cope with it though.
• 36:23
  Yes this is that and what the actress who played Kathleen said
• 36:27
  which I think she said it was Even if Kathleen was able to
• 36:32
  redeem this shit would change exactly cover from.
• 36:36
  Yeah, she was solely focused. She was solely focused on
• 36:40
  getting Henry and that's all that mattered.
• 36:42
  Which is the even still at what happened?
• 36:44
  If I didn't come out, and she shot him and he dropped to the
• 36:48
  floor dead. And she's nothing, she would
• 36:51
  have gone home and still kept that same anger.
• 36:53
  But well, here's the thing, the revolution many nothing.
• 36:56
  Then that's the biggest. Fuck all.
• 36:59
  Revolution meant nothing because Kathy another day, the brother
• 37:03
  had already gotten caught killed and he probably wanted.
• 37:06
  He wanted actually do something though, right?
• 37:08
  Like exactly and Kathleen. Drove it into the fucking ground
• 37:12
  became the same thing. Federal was she inherited this
• 37:15
  revolution from her brother were and even Perry says that where
• 37:18
  he's like, you're the one who's changed things and it's like yes
• 37:21
  but he's almost saying it with a hint of like don't do what I
• 37:24
  think you're going to do with that kind of affirmation.
• 37:28
  And that's what I thought at first and my wife is good, my
• 37:32
  wife is gonna be thinking, I'm talking shit about her.
• 37:35
  I'm not talking shit about you honey, but Perry in this shows
• 37:39
  off fucking douche as well. Did you really think that I
• 37:45
  didn't? I had to do.
• 37:46
  He's a, he's a bootlicker. He's a bootlicker.
• 37:49
  He's a bootlicker. Hey, I think that guy who will
• 37:52
  work for the highest bidder. So exactly objective at first, I
• 37:57
  was so stoked on him. I was like, He's got to be the
• 38:00
  final blow to Kathleen. That's what I thought.
• 38:02
  And then he's like, I'm by your side.
• 38:06
  I'm like you fucking cunt. I think I think he's got like a
• 38:11
  different. Like I agree.
• 38:13
  Obviously he does side with her and he he gives her an
• 38:17
  affirmation of yet. Like you're the only one who's
• 38:18
  actually to not talk about you by the way sweetheart?
• 38:22
  Yeah I can hear. Stop it down the stairs right
• 38:24
  now. She's ready to kill.
• 38:24
  He's like I'm the only man. He likes his wife.
• 38:30
  I love my wife and I think that since we're on that scene though
• 38:40
  I love that entire like thing of watching Ellie run like like we
• 38:46
  see all these things in episode 4 is preview of like oh my gosh
• 38:49
  like there's the trucks rhyming and everything.
• 38:50
  There's the bloater there's the infected like we see all the
• 38:52
  stuff and I'm thinking the entire episode.
• 38:54
  How are they going to like, get all this to go together?
• 38:57
  Because there's so many different substances.
• 38:59
  So much that you're running. Yes.
• 39:02
  Yeah, it's quick. Its you get like sniper shot
• 39:07
  explosion. Like they're renting?
• 39:10
  Yeah, they're walking through. He gets shot.
• 39:12
  I love Jules. Just honest opinion to that old
• 39:14
  guy of like, don't do it. Please, dude, ruff.
• 39:25
  Joel was at this point going, man.
• 39:28
  Listen, did you guys think he was smiling?
• 39:30
  I thought it was smiling and some of the shots like he would
• 39:32
  Joel. Yeah.
• 39:33
  Like not out of like a hatred thing but just like, I've got
• 39:36
  you like you're I think it was more of like a hey man, I don't
• 39:40
  want to do this please. Can we not?
• 39:44
  You know, I mean yeah. If you know how this is gonna
• 39:46
  end, like you have a sniper rifle and you had pointed at the
• 39:49
  ground. I have a handgun pointed at your
• 39:51
  head. Pointed literally value.
• 39:52
  I yeah, just Let's just yeah, he even says it.
• 39:58
  Drop the rifle walk out of here. That's all I ask of you.
• 40:02
  Please don't do this and he would have you do try a stupid
• 40:06
  old man. May I bring up one point.
• 40:10
  The previews for this episode only showed this climax really
• 40:17
  because what you see is the climax which we're going to get
• 40:20
  to in a minute. But that was brilliant of the
• 40:24
  new do. They didn't spoil any of the Sam
• 40:30
  and Henry and Joel and Ellie moments, they just showed the
• 40:34
  action in the climax which usually you don't get.
• 40:37
  Usually don't do that. You know, don't do it action
• 40:40
  movie? Are you release a horror movie?
• 40:42
  You don't want to show that. Exactly.
• 40:55
  What happens after the sniper fire is?
• 40:59
  Well, Joel, you know, taking that dude out in such a Joel
• 41:02
  fashion, which I love so much, and it was wild.
• 41:05
  I love, you know, again, I always thought through that
• 41:08
  preview, that we saw that when Joel yells run, he's yelling it
• 41:12
  because of the bloater. But he's not.
• 41:14
  He's yelling at because he sees all the cars because he hears
• 41:16
  the, he sees the walkie-talkie. All gasp my God.
• 41:19
  Christian me to me out loud just went.
• 41:21
  Oh fuck. And you just hear you hear cab
• 41:24
  lingo. Andy, Andy were on the way and
• 41:27
  it's like all they did reach him and Tommy already called the
• 41:30
  cops and you see him and you get to hear Joy yell run and they
• 41:37
  finally recognized it, which again, I love that they really
• 41:40
  build that sense of tension because you see the cars and you
• 41:44
  see Ellie and Henry and Sam you're like, okay there's a bit
• 41:47
  of a distance but Then you see that first car starts smashing
• 41:49
  through and you're like, no, there's it's cut instantly.
• 41:52
  Like you gotta run and I loved watching.
• 41:54
  Yeah, Ellie's. I've she's confident to a
• 41:57
  degree. Yeah.
• 41:58
  She's like I can shoot him. I can shoot at him.
• 42:00
  Like I can at least do something and she she misses obviously
• 42:03
  every single shop. I mean she does the ice with.
• 42:07
  Yeah she does. I liked Joel.
• 42:10
  Yeah. Like he sees the jam and the
• 42:12
  gun. He's trying to fix it as best as
• 42:14
  I loved it. I liked Arkham.
• 42:15
  You got Iraq? That shit.
• 42:17
  Come on, buddy. You got He gets he gets that
• 42:21
  that rifle racked and he finally takes out that front driver who
• 42:23
  has like the, I don't know. It's like wild shot wild.
• 42:29
  That Christian is to which pressive she throws.
• 42:31
  Like a nice little hint if it was intentional or not, but
• 42:34
  there's almost that realism, and to your point that you brought
• 42:36
  up when I was on last seven, which is where Joel is, you
• 42:39
  know, he's in the game of very battle-hardened like you fight
• 42:43
  through essentially Accords of people when you come out alive.
• 42:46
  But in the show is it older man. And he does not kill everyone in
• 42:49
  one shot, it wasn't funny that she noticed was when he finally
• 42:53
  after like, four times, guess that head shot, and it goes
• 42:57
  through and just whips a girl, you could almost see his face.
• 43:00
  He like goes and like, kind of gas kind of.
• 43:03
  Yeah, amazing music. I hate that shit.
• 43:09
  I like that too. Is you can see in, this is just
• 43:12
  because of hydrogen's, so good. But you can see just on his face
• 43:16
  of like, I've been in situations similar to this.
• 43:19
  I know what I have to do and I'm just not doing it.
• 43:23
  And he's again it's disappointed himself, he's in a mini state
• 43:27
  of, you know, stop disappointing.
• 43:28
  The people you have to save and yep.
• 43:30
  Finally, because a good quick. Redemption moment he missed all
• 43:32
  those shots. He knew that this was if he
• 43:34
  doesn't stop this truck, it is fucked and he uses Elliot's, you
• 43:39
  lose out. I did it.
• 43:44
  I actually did it for one, we pulled himself together to write
• 43:47
  their kind of. Yeah, he goes, he immediately
• 43:49
  focuses up again because he's like, okay, I got them but like,
• 43:51
  there's like, six more trucks behind them.
• 43:53
  What are you doing now? And I liked that immediate sense
• 43:58
  of, and that sense of how they just show you how outgunned and
• 44:01
  outmanned. They are like, this is a little
• 44:03
  army walking up to Ellie and Henry and Sam and you're like,
• 44:08
  okay, alright, this is going to be wild and I love that to of Of
• 44:13
  all the soldiers, get out. They know he's already in there
• 44:16
  because they know that's where Andy was, Harry immediately with
• 44:18
  his rifle points right up at that window, the window leans
• 44:22
  back, you know, we can't do anything something.
• 44:24
  I just thought about West to you guys is Point again, is when he
• 44:29
  when that second explosion goes off and Ellie gets pushed back.
• 44:32
  If you have noticed Joel, right before he gets spotted in
• 44:35
  height, he Scopes in one last time but he doesn't scope it on
• 44:38
  the trucks and he doesn't have scope it on anyone else except
• 44:41
  for Ellie. These Scopes in on her and shows
• 44:44
  that she's safe and he sees that she's kind of like getting back
• 44:48
  up and is okay and he's immediately, she's good.
• 44:51
  I'm gonna hide. Yeah, right.
• 44:54
  Yeah, no, she definitely I love that when the Empire Freddy,
• 44:58
  he's like Henry and Sam don't care about them in this mindset
• 45:00
  right now is really fucking okay.
• 45:03
  Okay, she's alive. Yeah, I like, I like Kathleen's
• 45:06
  little speech. I mean, as much as I hated it, I
• 45:08
  like that. She had that where she, you
• 45:11
  know, I like Like the the moment where I think it just happened
• 45:15
  for me, was, she's talking to Henry, Henry, he's like, I'll
• 45:19
  come out. Just let the kids go.
• 45:21
  I like that she Kathleen. Goes, no, no, no, no.
• 45:25
  I need Sam. And that little girls with the
• 45:27
  guy who killed Brian. Which I like, I like that to of
• 45:30
  just showing how awful they are. Because if there was a chance
• 45:33
  for these two got to, like, sit in a room and you have a peer
• 45:35
  mediator, Jill would be like, I don't really care who you were
• 45:38
  with because at the end of the day, they were lying to us.
• 45:42
  If they weren't trying to say, yeah, we just overthrew Federal,
• 45:45
  like, dude, are you coming here for, you know, Sanctuary like,
• 45:48
  what are you trying to do? They were literally working on
• 45:53
  stealing people's stuff, like new people coming into the city?
• 45:55
  Yes, I also like at the end of the day he killed three of your
• 45:58
  guys, but it's not like he walked in.
• 46:00
  Saw them was like free. Lou, you got you were cruising
• 46:03
  through and your guys immediately tried to set up some
• 46:06
  fake injured plot to try and Rob and murder them.
• 46:09
  If they told us they fight back. What's wrong with that?
• 46:13
  Well that the whole the hostage negotiation is what I think was
• 46:19
  amazing with Kathleen here at. Oh yeah Kathleen.
• 46:23
  It's Henry specifically the hostage negotiation.
• 46:28
  Wow! Joel's main focus is a part of
• 46:32
  this and to a degree in this situation.
• 46:36
  Joel is safe. Yeah he's fine but yeah there's
• 46:40
  two guys cool on quote going around the back but they're not
• 46:44
  going to get there in time and he almost knows it.
• 46:47
  So he's safe but he's like fuck there's a negotiation going on
• 46:51
  now that is going terribly South because she's like, cool know, I
• 46:56
  fuck the kids is my stay is I'm safe.
• 47:00
  The only thing I have to worry about is that is with those two
• 47:02
  people right now behind that car and is in danger with them.
• 47:05
  And I need to figure out how to get to them.
• 47:07
  Exactly. And funnily enough nature comes
• 47:11
  to help him this time. We'll good truck collapsing into
• 47:15
  the ground and give it the infected taketh away.
• 47:18
  The infected literally pouring out of the ground.
• 47:23
  I love that scene the after thing they show, I love them
• 47:27
  too, kind of describing, they did a mix of CGI.
• 47:29
  They had the actual practical effects of the clickers and then
• 47:32
  they had people seeing this extra stuntex in that pit
• 47:35
  crawling out was so cool to see. And I love how they just had
• 47:39
  that huge acting class is all of them to ensure that it's a
• 47:43
  cohesive movement. It was so what is see, the takes
• 47:46
  that they had done in seek them? You think she'll like they're
• 47:49
  really piling on top of each other.
• 47:51
  They're just like incessant. Their only goal is to reach
• 47:53
  Planet are like point B which is your body.
• 47:57
  Yeah it was I like that. I liked how it, it's a mix,
• 48:04
  right? It's immediately like, okay,
• 48:06
  they're going to you You know, if you've seen zombie movies,
• 48:09
  you're like they're going to lose this but you're watching
• 48:11
  it, you're you see how they kind of get into the circle, where
• 48:14
  they're kind of shooting them down but you seem very working
• 48:16
  this for what it was honestly, if you're if you're diligent and
• 48:19
  you look, you can see them getting around the edges where
• 48:22
  they take one person down and that's how it falls, right?
• 48:25
  It's not just too many overwhelmed front.
• 48:27
  It's somebody gets caught on the right.
• 48:30
  Yeah, somebody gets caught on the right and now they're down.
• 48:32
  And now somebody else has to cover for that, which takes them
• 48:34
  away from the front, which just means that you also, you know,
• 48:37
  like, One third of the way through the battle.
• 48:39
  You start seeing a bunch of people going absolutely fuck
• 48:42
  this. And they start running backwards
• 48:44
  away from the half circle and getting into their trucks and
• 48:47
  going time to get out of here. So your point is circled.
• 48:51
  Even weakens even more, you start to see that dissolve in
• 48:54
  and they just push the Perry tells them Perry tells them to
• 48:56
  run them down. So you're telling people stop
• 48:59
  shooting immediately and get in a car.
• 49:01
  If it's not on, turn it on and then put it into drive and start
• 49:05
  driving over them. Which is like You're you're
• 49:08
  dead. They've already got you at that
• 49:10
  point without quick, because like, some Last Resort.
• 49:12
  Final Kamikaze Maneuvers. Yeah, I loved that.
• 49:16
  I loved the tension that still built where you get a mix of
• 49:20
  Joel. Seeing it overhead and then
• 49:22
  you're seeing Ellie do like a Saving Private Ryan.
• 49:25
  Almost like I have to get to cover and I need somebody to
• 49:28
  cover me and Joel's doing that. While I'm getting attacked by
• 49:31
  clickers and things that are going on.
• 49:33
  And I love that in the middle of all this.
• 49:36
  There's a good We're Kathleen a, you get to look at each other
• 49:39
  and they see the bloater climbing out from the earth and
• 49:44
  holy crap, was that thing awesome.
• 49:47
  Like it was passive fulfilled every part of the game, every
• 49:51
  watch the introduction because that initial punch what?
• 49:53
  He just fucking cripples that further.
• 49:56
  He hits him in the top of the head but the way his body just
• 49:59
  crunches and goes limp. I had to re-watch.
• 50:01
  It s kind of really demonstrated like, yes, it's a fat clicker.
• 50:06
  It could be just A fat guy who became a clicker ahead of them.
• 50:09
  However, he's like, since Vito's drank and you see that power can
• 50:14
  generate from just its body. You're like, that is not just
• 50:17
  the clicker, that is something that much deadlier.
• 50:21
  Yeah, I think that the only thing that kind of like not
• 50:23
  disappointed me, I guess but I was like I thought Perry, who
• 50:28
  had been on the screen for such a decent amount of time of the
• 50:32
  last two episodes. Thought he deserved a little bit
• 50:34
  more than to go out in the background.
• 50:37
  So, this is just very, very graphic where I feel like if
• 50:40
  they could have either done what they did or gone full force.
• 50:44
  And I feel like if they went full force goes up, it would
• 50:47
  have in terms of releasing it. To the white audience, might
• 50:51
  have been something that might have been tiptoed across the
• 50:54
  border where they're like bringing him so Off, dude, I
• 50:58
  told you not to ever go full force, Airsoft Patty joke.
• 51:01
  Very good love him. That's his Legend.
• 51:02
  Shoutout PLS, sponsors are so many michigander, please.
• 51:06
  Secondly, yeah, my feelings on Perry again to my wife.
• 51:14
  He's done my life to the character.
• 51:17
  I didn't think this motherfuckers we go.
• 51:19
  I like that. But this blow dryer grabs him
• 51:21
  and just caves him in was hoping, Evan would notice,
• 51:25
  because I noticed, right away. If you notice the way he was
• 51:29
  killed, is borderline almost shot for shot.
• 51:32
  The exact animation of how you can die as Joel when you die.
• 51:35
  Yes. Yeah.
• 51:37
  I notice exactly what is that, and I was like, that is cool as
• 51:40
  shit, okay? That are like today.
• 51:42
  Although they didn't show it show it.
• 51:44
  I'm so glad You see it and you can tell me like, that's kind of
• 51:48
  reference from the game. That's kind of sweet.
• 51:50
  I like that, Evan, no. I was just saying that.
• 51:54
  Like yeah, I noticed the, I noticed the death animation was
• 51:57
  the same. Still thought it was cool.
• 52:00
  I just, and I get why they kind of did it too, because at the
• 52:03
  end of the day, it is a person who is really the main character
• 52:06
  in the game. So like I can see.
• 52:08
  Like that was probably also exciting for him though, to
• 52:10
  where it's like yeah, here's how you're going to die.
• 52:12
  And it's one of those things like in The Walking Dead where
• 52:14
  they would get Is or like, you know, like guests almost to play
• 52:18
  something and just be like, yeah, that's my destiny.
• 52:20
  This is my head when I got to cut off that kind of.
• 52:22
  Yeah, so I got that. I love this really tense scene
• 52:26
  that Ellie has with the child clicker, which are not shown in
• 52:30
  the game, but I like to see, dude.
• 52:32
  I like the fungus growing out of the side of her head.
• 52:35
  I thought that was awesome and I liked that.
• 52:39
  Joel couldn't cover. You know, I like wearing every
• 52:42
  single shot except for that's when that's, when Ellie is the
• 52:45
  most scared. It is like, I don't have
• 52:46
  somebody to protect me and she does and logs that quicker in
• 52:50
  the cars. Are that was so funny.
• 52:52
  And then sees Henry, and Sam hiding underneath the truck from
• 52:56
  to clickers that are trying to get at them.
• 52:58
  And there's this visual moment of Ellie looking at Joel and
• 53:02
  Joel being like, God damn it. Fine, do it.
• 53:04
  Go save them. Yeah, he's like, I'll cover you
• 53:06
  and I just, I gotta say, he says at the beginning of this entire
• 53:10
  thing of it's dark out, and he's a shitty shot and then it's like
• 53:14
  a little bit of light shows up, just so you Is everything and
• 53:16
  this dude's taking people out, man.
• 53:18
  Yeah, Joel is like, which again is another great thing of,
• 53:21
  they've shown him in episode 4 is being.
• 53:22
  Yeah, he's not the same. He's older by the love of Allah,
• 53:25
  but then you're watching him throw down and it's like, he
• 53:27
  can't got it. You still got it.
• 53:29
  You can't physically take people out like you used to.
• 53:32
  That's muscle memory baby, that's experience, that's muscle
• 53:34
  memory, that's Instinct. He tells the guy, he tells Andy,
• 53:38
  don't do it and not just because like I really don't think that
• 53:42
  he would have let him walk away just because as soon as he saw
• 53:46
  it like even at the idea of he says, you know, don't do it,
• 53:49
  just you stay up here for an hour above block I think as soon
• 53:52
  as he sees the walkie-talkies killing them and God bless.
• 53:54
  Oh yeah, you bitch.
• 54:08
  Yeah, I love that I. And then a guy like I said, I
• 54:11
  love him taking people out. He goes to save them.
• 54:13
  Ellie finally getting to use her stiletto on a Clicker.
• 54:16
  Yeah, I brought that up. I was like, she's using the
• 54:18
  knife. That was that we talked about in
• 54:21
  the beginning. This was the episode.
• 54:22
  When you got to see that kind of adult come out.
• 54:25
  Because, yep, she walks up to those two clickers, and she ends
• 54:29
  them with that fucking stiletto in like six seconds.
• 54:32
  And for when you think about it, you know they bring up Henry
• 54:34
  goes, you guys have already Yeah, they were freaked out.
• 54:39
  They were like two, no way. Who are you?
• 54:45
  You are unheard of how dangerous are which I like that again,
• 54:48
  building up how dangerous they are right there.
• 54:50
  Yeah. Just that's what I like to do.
• 54:52
  Is when they are poured out. I was expecting that those Spurs
• 54:54
  first, those first phase infected, the very standard
• 54:57
  zombies, to pour out. But then you saw the gravity of
• 55:00
  hair, all clickers. And let's go clickers and to is
• 55:03
  dangerous for like three people on their own enough.
• 55:06
  So to see, I don't know, 60, run out of you against an army of
• 55:09
  twenty. Good luck, guys.
• 55:12
  Did you see how quick they're cut down, right?
• 55:13
  They just keep coming. Yeah, I love, I love that little
• 55:17
  saving moment that they get and then they finally get away.
• 55:19
  But Kathleen is, is so not focused on the chaos.
• 55:23
  She just wasn't Revenge. She's, she's showing that to
• 55:26
  like the revolution meant, nothing to her.
• 55:28
  Nothing, like what it meant to her brother and she's like, I've
• 55:30
  used these people to get what I want now.
• 55:33
  And I finally have it. And they're look on their faces
• 55:36
  of like check behind you bitch that's gonna suck.
• 55:39
  And it's Perry essentially coming back to haunt her and be
• 55:42
  like, I told you, I told you shit was And you didn't listen.
• 55:46
  And now here's what happens. I get my head torn off and
• 55:49
  you're going to die to a little kid clicker.
• 55:51
  Sorry, dude. That little kid clicker.
• 55:52
  The one that was in the car trips or neck over dude.
• 55:58
  Yeah. And say, my mom is, she didn't
• 56:02
  like Kathleen but she likes the actress who plays her.
• 56:20
  Yeah, that was a great thing to cap off to it and now here's
• 56:34
  where we get to the fun stuff. Yeah, we're gonna end.
• 56:37
  The episode is what I want to talk about this skip to like
• 56:40
  when they walk away and we're ending the episode right now.
• 56:44
  So let's go. Right into it.
• 56:46
  And off all those, do it. I'll Define how this goes.
• 56:50
  They're in a motel Henry and Joel are talking and just
• 56:53
  discussing, you know, the day's events and also how it's easier
• 56:58
  when you're a kid because you don't have anybody to rely on.
• 57:00
  Like you have to rely on anybody or you don't have to be anybody
• 57:03
  that were like people don't rely on you for anything.
• 57:05
  You're a kid and they both kind of agree and Ellie and Sam are
• 57:10
  playing in the other room and they're using Sam's pad to chat
• 57:13
  back and forth with each other. And they get a bit more serious
• 57:17
  once, you know, Henry tells them to go to bed which I thought was
• 57:20
  funny, like you're telling a 14 year old and an eight-year-old
• 57:22
  in the apocalypse to go to bed. I thought that was funny.
• 57:24
  He said I need sleep bedtime and he just plops Christie left, he
• 57:28
  just flopped his body sideways bed didn't even like get into
• 57:32
  bed. Just threw his body on.
• 57:34
  There was like so used to it and they, you know, L he's like nah.
• 57:39
  Nah nah, like let's chat a bit more.
• 57:41
  We read the comics. Yeah, yeah.
• 57:44
  We're going to hang out, we're going.
• 57:45
  We're going to read some stuff and then they start chatting and
• 57:48
  Sam is asking some questions, you know.
• 57:51
  Are you afraid? And Ellie goes, you know?
• 57:53
  Yeah I'm all I'm afraid of being alone and I'm always afraid and
• 57:57
  Sam goes, you don't look like it and you know Ellie tells tells
• 58:02
  them hey this is what I'm afraid of and he says without really
• 58:05
  saying anything like eat without saying you know what?
• 58:07
  He's necessarily afraid of he goes when you turn into one of
• 58:11
  those things are you still you inside?
• 58:14
  Stop it. Nope, I'm gonna do it.
• 58:16
  I'm ripping off the Band-Aid because you guys are upset, and
• 58:19
  we gotta just rough. It's rough.
• 58:20
  It's worse, ski. He says that and Ellie gets it
• 58:25
  before. She can even really comprehend.
• 58:27
  What he's saying, he pulls his Jean like ankle up and he's got
• 58:32
  a bite mark and Ellie's initial reaction is oh it's over for him
• 58:37
  like there's nothing and and then she writes back to him.
• 58:41
  My blood is medicine because she's not been infected and she
• 58:43
  shows him She's not, she's not been turned and she shows him a
• 58:48
  bite mark and he's confused as he's like, what the fuck.
• 58:51
  He's like. That looks just like mine but
• 58:53
  it's like that. Look crazy Bard.
• 58:55
  Yes, card over and she cuts her hand open and puts it on his
• 59:00
  ankle to heal him or what she thinks will heal him.
• 59:03
  And then he asks her stay awake with me and you can tell that
• 59:08
  she did her best because she falls asleep in the chair and
• 59:13
  she wakes up and just sees Sam facing the window and she goes,
• 59:16
  hey buddy, and he doesn't say anything.
• 59:19
  And as soon as she goes with the batch to or the chair, she like,
• 59:23
  tap such like slams her hands. On the chair.
• 59:25
  I was like, oh God, and Sam doesn't do anything and then she
• 59:29
  goes over and touches his shoulder to like get him to turn
• 59:32
  and he's completely turned. He starts biting at her they
• 59:36
  fall through the door. I love this.
• 59:38
  Especially of how Joel and Henry wake up and Henry I'm just being
• 59:45
  Younger, and quicker is able to grab the gun before Joe can.
• 59:49
  And Joel even goes to save Ellie and Henry shoots the floor
• 59:54
  saying back away like you're not doing this and Henry sees the
• 59:58
  situation and shoots am. But a, to look in the day.
• 1:00:03
  He knew that Joel doesn't have that attachment to Sam.
• 1:00:06
  So if he, as soon as he pulled his gun out, he's shooting
• 1:00:09
  instantly and I did, yeah, I feel like Henry was like, this
• 1:00:12
  is my responsibility, I have to do this.
• 1:00:15
  This even and that's again that's his body body reacting
• 1:00:20
  quicker than his brain because his body reacts does the thing
• 1:00:23
  that it needs to do to save Ali because that's what he's
• 1:00:25
  instinctively. That's what you've always done.
• 1:00:26
  David other human and then his brain catches up and goes, I
• 1:00:29
  just shot my own brother in the head.
• 1:00:31
  The only thing that I have left, the only thing that I have left
• 1:00:34
  and even when Jules just going to say, Ellie, are you okay?
• 1:00:38
  He's like, stay away from her and I just love Henry going, you
• 1:00:43
  know what have I done? And he shoots himself in the
• 1:00:46
  head off screen. Yeah.
• 1:00:48
  As Joel's going. Hey, wait a minute.
• 1:00:50
  It looks like it's so close. Joel is just getting closer and
• 1:00:53
  closer to putting his hands around that gun where you Like,
• 1:00:57
  just one more second and think I gotta grab his hands around it,
• 1:01:00
  take it. And that s is just, it's not
• 1:01:04
  think it's just gone. Yep, no.
• 1:01:07
  And then it just cuts to, you know, they they bury them
• 1:01:10
  outside and and I love Ellie putting Sam's pad down on his.
• 1:01:14
  What does it say? I'm sorry in all capital
• 1:01:17
  letters. I was little even said to myself
• 1:01:21
  to she crouches down to write it as he crafted.
• 1:01:24
  Yeah. And I go Don't.
• 1:01:27
  That's why I said to know. So that the only thing please,
• 1:01:30
  you're going to make me feel bad and she put, you know, I realize
• 1:01:33
  Zooms in your, like, I realize now that she did it but it hit
• 1:01:37
  me emotionally more because I didn't see, I like blinked and
• 1:01:40
  missed it kind of thing. And I almost thought that she
• 1:01:43
  laid it down in that he had wrote it.
• 1:01:45
  Yes, which hurt. Oh, I'm infected here.
• 1:01:48
  Oh, I'm sorry, that's what I, that's what I thought I would
• 1:01:51
  have lost my fucking mind. Net.
• 1:01:56
  I would ya like it. Like let's say for instance they
• 1:01:59
  kill Sam and they walk into the bedroom and you see it on the
• 1:02:02
  edge of the bed. And it says I'm sorry and then
• 1:02:04
  she puts it on the grave and it's the exact same one.
• 1:02:07
  I would have. Oh yeah.
• 1:02:10
  Well well so yeah so that happens and then I like Ellie.
• 1:02:15
  She turns into Joel time. So yeah well she becomes she's
• 1:02:19
  awesome calls me. He walks away Christy to and
• 1:02:23
  every single lady situations even when it was life and death.
• 1:02:26
  If for her once the situation was over, she kind of shrugged
• 1:02:29
  it off. Went back to her normal self of
• 1:02:30
  making jokes and cracking jokes this time though.
• 1:02:34
  She did not share the cereals. She did not notice went off this
• 1:02:37
  one. Let's hit this head to the core.
• 1:02:40
  Yeah. This is dead serious to her and
• 1:02:42
  did it really just her interested to see how the second
• 1:02:45
  episode comes in? If she's going to come in and if
• 1:02:48
  she's going to have that same demeanor or if she's gonna, you
• 1:02:50
  know, time will pass and she'll get over it.
• 1:02:52
  Or I'm curious if this is going to be one of those defined show,
• 1:02:55
  whole lot of it. As for the rest of her life.
• 1:02:57
  Oh yes, the next season as well. I think that's something I will
• 1:03:04
  be called back forever. Yeah that was rough and I like
• 1:03:11
  Joe looking at those Graves going.
• 1:03:13
  That's me and her you know. Yes that's a.
• 1:03:15
  He knows what we're going to end up at some point.
• 1:03:18
  That's our final destination. Yeah, well, he's just thinking
• 1:03:22
  of, he's just, I think more so than just that being the final
• 1:03:24
  destination of But just this could I have to stop anything
• 1:03:30
  from this being on. We have to get the that's what I
• 1:03:32
  mean is that he's after mating that this is our final
• 1:03:36
  destination. In terms of this happens to
• 1:03:39
  anyone at anytime in Reston who's to say, it's not us,
• 1:03:45
  especially if unfortunately I failed before if I fail again
• 1:03:49
  like I said this is us. This is our the leg up that Joel
• 1:03:53
  has here is that Ellie is immune to To infection she's not in
• 1:03:57
  Feud obviously not immune to gunshots.
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  She's not immune to getting rid of water park but she is immune
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  to infection. So that is the leg up he has in
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  the scenario. But we see how violent the world
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  is not. Well, that's monsters.
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  That's a sweetheart, but it's the people and I think we're
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  episode 6 is going, we're going to see just how violent people
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  can get the way they were. Is there like there's too many
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  people at the same time. I understood at the end of the
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  day, what's the comics as well? We have too many people to
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  follow, but in the comics, you're able to do that.
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  But I wish we had those scenes where you can see the gravity of
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  yes, people are the priority problem but zombies are still a
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  threat because you never really got that feeling.
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  Yeah, for like key moments, but if you could, the way that
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  Alaska has presented is that shit can happen in, like they
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  was you'll be gone for hours. and then all the sudden it was
• 1:05:05
  chaos and of the really got that way in The Walking Dead zombies.
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  Definitely came in as I got third party, but they weren't
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  that immediate. Everyone switches to it like in
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  this, right? She gone.
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  She's waiting through the zombies going.
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  Where's and brave? No, my God.
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  No, that was, that was a great episode.
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  My reading of it is a 10 out of 10, this gets out on time for me
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  as well. Okay.
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  Alright, so I'm going to the wasd.
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  Scoreboard, and giving this one a 10 out of 10, I would say.
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  Additionally, this was way more rough than the bill and Frank
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  episode building. Frank was a beautiful episode.
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  While this was a bait and switch, where you think it's
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  going to be just another action. And then you see it's like, oh,
• 1:06:03
  it's really pretty and then boom.
• 1:06:06
  It's like up now, it's not, it's you twice to Yep.
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  Going off together as a group of four.
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  So in my head I was like Henry's going to be fucked up and he's
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  going to say Fuck plan. I'm going to go bury my brother
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  and go off on my own. Yeah, it's you a second time and
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  you're like, oh, this episode hard.
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  It's hard. Hard.
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  If you're having a bad day, like I said, in the beginning, this
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  episode, I stand by that. Skip this episode come back.
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  When you feel a little better, So finale, wasd gives episode 5
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  a 10 out of 10 which would make this the third episode to have a
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  10 out of 10, third episode in a series out of 5.
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  So 5, that is phenomenal. We are very harsh on shit.
• 1:06:58
  Usually, this has been nothing short of Perfect.
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  All right, Logan Please plug where we can find you, and
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  whatever, whatever you want to plug, I'll let you do this.
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  You can find me at Zoe's hang about us, as except the
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  beginning of episode on Instagram.
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  Awesome. Bill gross.
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  Was that Evan, who did that? Yeah.
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  What do I do? What do I have to another?
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  Edit it as Evan anyway. Um, Logan, you dropped your
• 1:07:31
  phone again? Keep going.
• 1:07:37
  Keep going the beginning of the episode on Instagram besides
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  that, I'll be streaming some time on Twitch obvious pain.
• 1:07:48
  Campus cord will also have some other gum for people who
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  streaming on it as well. So I have Nick teach us how to
• 1:07:56
  maybe do a double string. We can get 2 cameras from two
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  perspectives. I just get some interesting
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  contest of variation for everyone.
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  As well as YouTube. Yeah, I do.
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  There's a lot of cool shit come from the gunpla community in the
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  swan Camp. Not just from Bill Bros, but
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  it's going to be a huge gunpla presence and gaming presents
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  combined in spawn camp with any other hobby that we can bring
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  in. This is a community that you're
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  not going to want to sleep on. Lots of cool shit.
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  Be sure to check out wasd and Beyond every Wednesday and
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  peaky blinders season 2. That is coming still and then we
• 1:08:44
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