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Jason Wisdom and Seth Hecox: Becoming the Archetype | Furnace Fest 2023 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Lagass pass Sologass, So why Sassi cla Today we have our good friends at
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  Jason Wisdom and count Seth from becoming the archetype. Is that? Is that
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  how you do it directly? Or you know, why why haven't Ian there?
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  If it's an eye sound as it's just in Leeks? Is it?
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  Is it? Is that a Greek word? I think that'd be Greek?
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  Yeah, last Greek? Well fuck them and we're off to the races.
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  I already struggled with Greek enough in seminary. I don't need to do the
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  English Greek ship either. A couple instances of French. I was gonna say,
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  pardon my French. You know you're you're doing quite well in the French
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  department, Mason. Well, I know a few of those French words.
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  But we're gonna talk about these guys playing furnace fast here in about six weeks.
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  We're really really stoked to see them. So we'll talk about that.
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  We'll talk about oh my gosh, we should probably practice, We'll talk about,
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  you know, whatever else comes up. I think it's just gonna be
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  one of those episodes where we just kind of hang out and see what happens.
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  So we'll just hang out for an hour and who knows what might just
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  transpire. But before we get into all that, Jason and Seth, how
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  are you guys doing? Go ahead, Jason, I I'm doing well.
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  Go ahead. Seth good. My name is Seth and I like to party.
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  Yeah, it's nice to be here with you guys. I I only
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  got my technology sorted out, and I've done it in such a way that
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  i can show off the baseball cards over uh, this shoulder, So I
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  think that all is well with the world. Are they all Atlanta Brave baseball
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  cards? Uh? Not all of them. Some of them are like cool.
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  Other players like Satchel Paige, the greatest baseball players, especially the best
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  picture in history. And I got some great Satchel Paige stories if you want
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  to tell them. Uh, who was a Negro League star? Saddam Hussein's
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  rookie card? Do you still have your business of your your communist baseball cards.
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  I haven't started the Lutheran Socialist baseball cards yet, but it's uh,
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  it's it's being worked on, and definitely I want to get in on the
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  on the rookie and the rookie cards. I don't know you do you want
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  to do you want to call him mac rookie card? Is that what you
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  need? Well, I just I just want some of your your Lutheran socialist
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  rickey cards. Oh, like Paul Tillick. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  gimme bonhif' all I'm all for that, dude. You should. You should
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  talk to Jason about these videos he sends me from Instagram of these pools these
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  guys do. Yeah, they're pulling out like Saddam Hussein rookie cards and from
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  like those Desert storm cards, you know, Rookie card. You know,
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  like it is that ries like literally standing next to Bill Clinton. I don't
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  know about that. I can't confirm. I don't I'm not here to promote
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  that guy's Instagram. Oh that's probably smart. Does it have his like attributes,
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  like you know, his like attribute of like how good he was at
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  like terrorism, and his like gunshot attributes? And I don't know. I
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  think Seth has informed me that. So here's the funny part. Seth has
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  informed me that, I guess these guys are spoofing some people who actually deal
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  with baseball cards. I don't know. So I'm laughing entirely without context that
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  some guys like George W. Bush, gold Foil rookie card, mister September
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  himself, and I'm like, what, Like, I'm just that was the
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  best com on death was like, oh, this is them spoofing a baseball
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  start thing. I'm like, oh, I just thought. So it's not
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  just the base You guys have to know about this breakers, right, So
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  they get sealed boxes of cards and then they break them in like live streams,
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  and then when they have a big hit, you know, like an
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  autograph or a numbered like you know, number two out of five, you
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  know, parallel, and they'll be like, well, a big hit,
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  you know, that's what they do. Like Pomon cards. Probably I don't
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  know about about those. I just probow the baseball cards one. But I'm
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  sure there are Pokemon breakers. I'm sure there. It's a big it's a
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  big thing plaguing the industry. Which is really the important thing for us to
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  talk about is breakers and baseball cards and Pokemon. I think it's very important.
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  So I don't know if that was sarcasm there, but I will tell
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  you this. I want to tell you a story about the biggest time I
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  was envious is so when bands release albums often the label, they don't do
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  this much anymore. They used to do like a pre order incentive and it'd
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  be something cool. So like one year we did like pocket protectors because we
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  were going for the nerd things. You could get a beard skull Clipton Berskull
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  pocket protector, you know, to put in your pocket and put your pins
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  in, and you do stuff like that, and people did some creative things.
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  August Burn Burns Red one year did baseball cards. The label found a
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  way to make baseball cards of the members of ADR and then put them in
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  a little like boil packs, and if you pre ordered their album, you
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  got the baseball cards. And I was like, yeah, I was like,
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  I didn't know this was possible. I want to do this, but
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  you know, it's too late because they'd already done it. So they probably
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  wouldn't have been able to fit Jason's head on a baseball card. It's just
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  there's no photo that would be able to actually fit onto the size of a
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  baseball card. Ye. Speaking of that, we always wanted to play this
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  thing called furnace Fest And now twenty three something years later we get a chance.
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  They cards too, first one of those, Yeah, and they have
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  baseball cards that we could potentially be on I hope. So but here's the
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  deal. Last time we talked to you guys, you said that you didn't
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  have any equipment, and you found that you saw that there was no possible
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  way that you were going to be able to get equipment, and that no
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  one wants to share their equipment with you. So something obviously has changed,
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  because you guys have played quite a few shows since then. I ain't quite
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  a few. Two is a lot more than you've played in the last five
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  It's a lot more than zero. Yes, I mean that's that's that's more
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  than double what. It's literally it's literally infinite times the amount, Yes,
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  played infinitely times the amount of shows in the last nine months, and then
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  we did for the previous ten years. Yes, wow, who who did
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  you guys have to sweet talk to actually make this happen to play at least
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  two shows? So yeah, that's how that's how it works. Ask So
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  the fun just fun side tangent. So August Burns read we played with them
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  back, we did a tour and what was at oh seven or six six
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  six with Demon Hunter and August Burns read, and if you want to know
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  the rest of you guys are headlining that right, No Demon Hunter, Zo
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  Spoken and becoming the archetype and Ox Burns Read co opening wow sharing. Yeah,
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  that many opening bands that are just like banger after banger after banger.
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  That's impressive pressing opener. Yeah. So so anyway, so we knew the
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  guys in August Burns Red. They were putting together their Christmas Burns Red,
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  which is something they do every year. It was really awesome. They worked
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  out doing like a solid State day and they were super kind to invite us.
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  They rumor has it we were one of, if not the first band
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  that they were like, we we got to have those guys. So that'll
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  be my claim to fame is that August Birds Read wanted us to play with
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  them. What fifteen sixteen years later, they're like one of those Christian bands
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  that actually stayed Christian all these years. We're going to take them first before
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  anyone else. Yeah, And and so they've lent you their stuff for what
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  well we played there. We played the festival with them. Yeah, and
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  Duck our drummer actually does have gear. He In fact, when we played
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  that show, I believe he still had the same drumheads on his drums.
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  No, he changed him before the album, but when he came in for
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  the studio with those drums, that still had the same drumheads as the Celestial
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  Completion album we did in two thousand ten, twenty eleven or whatever that was.
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  So the drumheads had been on there for more than a decade when he
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  recorded Wow, So that was pretty awesome. But yeah, so he actually
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  has a drum set, so we brought that up and the rest of us
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  sort of found people we could borrow things from. We we do have some
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  of our own gear. We just don't have all the pieces we need.
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  So, you know, we obviously have our own guitars. I have my
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  own keyboard, you know, tuners, that kind of stuff. We just
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  yeah, we have with the little ones that clip on, the little ones
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  that clip onto the head of your Do you imagine it's better than like the
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  little foot ones? Right? Everyone use your phone. I use my phone
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  all the time now if I wanted to my guitar, so guys could just
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  do that on stage the g string app. That's that's where it's at.
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  Okay, that's right. I'm afraid of downloading this, do it well?
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  Covenant Eyes will definitely alert your wife, probably Governant Eyes. Okay I should
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  know this, I guess since I teach it at Christian school. But yeah,
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  you should, I should know about Covin. But okay, so hold
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  on, I had one more, one more uh sixties of Kevin Bacon here,
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  So so then we're gonna play Furnace Best, right, Well, it
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  turns out that when we did our first album, we got to travel to
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  Tooth and Nail Records old building that they had, and Chad Johnson was an
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  A and R guy there at the time, and one time I caught him
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  in the kitchen making a vegemite sandwich, which is a very Chad Johnson.
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  Is he secretly Australian? No? But yeah, so we've known Chad for
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  a long time. I guess, this is what I'm trying to say.
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  And so he was really kind to invite us to play Furnace Best. So
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  they were make him a vegemite sandwich in six weeks and let's see if he
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  remembers the good old days of him eating vegemite, or I can make it
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  now and then bring it to him in six weeks and we'll see. Sich
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  holds up probably, well, the exact same Yeah, probably all those preservatives.
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  Well, let's hear about the story of how you guys got roped into
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  playing furness fast. Was it as simple as hey, they DMed you on
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  Instagram and and that was it? Or do you have to like pull more
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  strings? Or yeah? How did that whole story go down? Well,
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  Duck, our drummer is had had he went last year to furnace Best and
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  he had some connections and what's that? Did he play it furnaces for?
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  He went last year to watch bands music, so he said, yeah,
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  you know, you should, we should, we should be on. So
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  he's kind of emailing them, texting them, and so finally that one of
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  their people got a hold of me and his name was Ryan Luther, and
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  I said, hey, Luther, I'm Lutheran. You have to have us
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  on and he said which kind of Lutheran? And I said Martin Lutheran and
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  he said okay. So I said give us a million dollars and he said
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  okay. And so then we're headlining after whoever that that other band is that
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  plays that day. I think turt Styles headliningday we play. Did you just
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  story did you say turd style, turd turd style. I heard turd.
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  If you're pronouncing it turd style, I'm definitely pronouncing it archie type. I
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  did not say that, And I really like their band. Well, that's
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  good, that's good. I think that's one band that you are not allowed
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  to say you don't like. What if you haven't heard of him? Seth,
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  Seth doesn't know anything about them, I'm sure. Yeah, so Seth,
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  just remember, you can't say you don't like them. Yeah, that's
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  right. Can you can say that you've never heard of them, but at
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  least don't say you don't like them. Yeah. I mean, I can
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  preendively dislike him because I'm a curmudgeon. But you know, they're great.
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  They are great. Well, they're great. Why is their name turd style?
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  You can ask Jason that. Yeah. I don't know why he's slandering
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  them so much. I didn't realize that they were just shelling out a million
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  dollars to play Furnace Fest, especially to a band that hasn't played for almost
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  ten years. That's the draw. We have a late in almost ten years,
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  and there's literally dozens of people begging to see us, and that was
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  worth a lot of money. To them. So, oh yeah, maybe
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  you guys will actually be able to get computers from this millennium. Maybe.
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  So you know what's funny about that we're not worth a million dollars, not
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  in any market, but in Birmingham. Oddly enough, we actually sort of,
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  I don't want to say we got started like having some traction as a
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  band in Birmingham, but I think I think we kind of had more traction
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  there than in Atlanta, where we're from. People in Birmingham are really awesome.
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  So I'm really stoked to go back and play not just an awesome fest
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  like Furnace Best, but there's going to probably be some people there that we
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  haven't seen in a long time from Birmingham. So when we got started,
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  we used to play in like Atlanta, and we have like forty or fifty
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  people there. This is after a daybut came out. But we go play
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  in the Birmingham area and we've played for like six hundred people. It was
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  like night and day difference. That was like our hometown crowd, even though
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  we were from like two hours away in a different state. So you were
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  saying that you you climbed the peak of your of your band's Mountain in Birmingham.
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  Yeah, and it was that if you remember, Jason, was that
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  CD release show where the coffin that I made for myself like queek way and
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  you drew the image that I would burned into the lid. We carried it
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  into that CD release show and main leaned open mainly in the Sun's Disaster opened
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  for us, and we carried our merchant and had that coffin standing there behind
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  our merch table. Is that the one? Is that the one where you
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  you were in the coffin obviously, and then there was like Count Chocula,
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  like just covered like you were covered in Count Chocula. When when he came
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  out of it, this is not a thing. I think the one time
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  he tried to get in his coffee immediately was like, wow, this is
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  wildly uncomfortable. I slept in at one night in college and it was very
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  hot. It traps all your body. Are you saying that you almost would
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  have to be dead in order for you to be in the coffin? Yes,
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  I'm dead? Yeah, yeah. Malene. That was Malene when they
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  were really just starting, if I remember correctly, they had just started yet
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  that's two thousand and five. Wow, so you guys basically hit the height
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  of your career in two thousand and five. Yep, two thousand and five,
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  two thousand and six was the height. Nose all downhill from there.
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  I'm done with this interview. Now, this is two real. This is
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  do you feel a little? That was also the height That was the height
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  of death therapy was in two thousand times, ten years before the band was
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  existed. It was the height of my sweet I love it all right,
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  Well, let's hear the true story around besides the million dollars. I'm sure
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  there's a little bit of fabrication there about how you guys got that rubbed into
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  furnace fest. So let's hear the actual story besides the million dollars, because
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  clearly that's the true part of the story. Well you you you they basically
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  required him to fabricate that story because I told you the true story, which
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  is that we're friends with Chad, and Chad was like, hey, you
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  guys should play It was that simple. Chad just was like, hey,
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  we may or may not have begged him. Okay, so it's the other
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  way, may or may not have begged for like four years, like,
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  hey, we'll get the band back together. Please just let us play your
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  festival. Chad Johnson savor of my soul, have mercy on me if i'm
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  center, and we must play your festival. And then he said, my
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  sons, you may play. And it really was that. It really was
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  that simple. And so that's what's interesting to me, because it seemed like
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  you guys were maybe not necessarily like all that interested in playing live, but
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  for Furnace Fest, you were really interested. Yeah. See, this is
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  the funny thing. When we came out with the album, Jason was like,
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  I can't tour, I can't play shows, and so yeah, that's
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  what I remember. Okay, we're not touring, we're not playing shows.
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  And then August weren't read reaches out about that thing last December. It was
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  about this time last year, and I just ignored it because I thought we
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  weren't playing shows. So then Jason's like, no, we gotta do this.
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  So I was like, okay, we'll do this. So we figure
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  it out, and then that went so well that Jason suddenly like, okay,
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  let's play audio feet and let's play upright Smist, and let's play Furricemist,
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  and let's play loud and Proud in Germany, and let's play this other
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  festival next year in Switzerland which we haven't announced yet. Let's do it all.
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  And I'm like, oh, okay, I thought we weren't playing anything,
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  but I'm cool with this. So, you know, this is sort
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  of an adjacent thing of like what he's able and willing to do, and
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  I'm just happy that the answer to that able and willing to do is something.
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  Now, every time we turned down something, it's gonna be my fault.
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  Yes, it absolutely Jason. You sound both like the wife and the
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  husband in this relationship. That's probably true. I was at least off in
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  the band mom. I guess in a lot of scenarios. Oh yeah,
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  we're so excited to see you at Furnace Fast. You know, I feel
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  like Furnace Fest. It's been great, it's wonderful. It's a couple of
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  the you know, the couple times that we've gone, it's been some of
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  the best memories that Colin and I have had. But if there has been
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  anything that Furnace Fest has been missing, it's been that becoming the archetype hasn't
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  played it yet, and so we're just so stoked to see you all and
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  how archet Type that we're excited to see Archetype too. Yeah. How cool
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  is it that we get to play I mean, this is to me,
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  this is exciting. We get to play the same day as Extol and Living
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  Sacrifice and Zeo. So I feel like there's a little bit of a Solid
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  State thing going on there too, which is kind of like classic Solid State
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  obviously, and Seth actually knows some of those bands. Yeah, I've heard
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  they all really established the four two thousand. Jason, you did. You
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  bring up a good point, because so when we first start, a huge
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  thing for us was Tooth and Nail Day at Cornerstone Festival. That's right,
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  And that would be like sort of the pre prefest day, you know,
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  on like a Thursday of the week or whatever, and it was just Tooth
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  and Nail and Solid State bands. And I think Chad Johnson kind of orchestrated
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  that most of the years, right at least at the beginning, I think,
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  Yeah, And so that was I mean, that was one of our
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  first really huge shows, even before Terminate Donation came out. As we played,
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  that was our only set at Cornerstone two thousand and five, about a
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  month before terminate donation came out and we were spreading posters all our places,
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  but a two song sampler they used to do, you know, and we
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  were handing those out and it was it was a cool experience playing Tooth and
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  Nail Day. And now it's sort of coming full circle with Chad Johnson having
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  us play a different fest on a sort of solid State day, you know,
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  down in our styles not solid State though not yet. And all you
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  guys are you know, fifty almost seventeen years older since that last time you
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  played Cornerstone, So there's gonna be people who probably remember seeing you at Cornerstone
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  that are going to be at Furnace Best seventeen years later, and they're still
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  probably gonna try to mash as hard as they could, uh, you know,
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  as they did seventeen years old. No back Pain, They're all going
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  to be there at back Pain. No, there's a there's a whole there's
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  a whole part of the festival grounds where you can take a bunch of like
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  ibyprofen people are massaging you out. There's a chiropractor, there's a guy with
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  syringes. You know, you there will be people. Do not worry.
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  I love this idea. I you know, I will tell you we're excited
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  to play. And I haven't been yet. Duck has been, but I
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  have not. And I met with some friends from Nashville last year who went
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  last year. Man. Not only did they have the best things to say
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  about Furnace Best, but they reminded me that there were a lot of bands
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  that played that I really regret not going to sing. If you remember,
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  Mason, you were like, you know, if you need to you,
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  I will pay for you to have a vacation or whatever it was, you
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  know, to be down there. And I was like, yeah, but
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  I can't get away, you know. And then and then later on I
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  find like maston On was there, you know, apple Seed Cast, and
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  like all these bands that I would like are once and they just they don't
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  want at least app As the Cast doesn't really play, you know. And
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  I'm pretty bummed that I missed that. Yep. Yeah, that's still one
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  of the best shows I've ever seen, so man, But no, you
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  had to serve the Eucharist, you had to preside over it, to preside
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  right, you know that That is actually something I'm kind of interested in,
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  is Jason, are you going to be able to like stay for the entire
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  weekend and and and hang out or like with with school and everything like that,
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  do you have some like flexibility with time to be able to be away
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  or you're just gonna make the john back and forth or what. That's a
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  very personal question, and I would just love to know if you're gonna be
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  their business. I am currently sure. I actually, if we want to
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  get especially personal, I think I think a couple of guys in the band
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  have family that lives sort of in the area, so it's possible some of
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  the dudes in the band maybe staying. I maybe just popping over there and
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  going home because it's only a couple hours each way, two and a half
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  three hours. But we'll see. I'd love to stay and see bands play.
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  I mean, there's lots of bands that I think are really great,
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  but I'm especially excited to get there and just see all the bands that are
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  playing the day we play, regardless. But Yeah, that wasn't as personal
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  as I was hoping. I was hoping you're gonna say, like, yeah,
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  I don't know if I can say the whole weekend, I've got a
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  vasect to me coming up or something. Account oh man, if only man,
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  I love get vasectomies, If only I had one scheduled. I usually
• 22:51
  get one done each year and have it reversed. Snips you want. I
• 23:00
  was hoping somebody would pick up the office Rafe, Yeah, unintimate, Michael
• 23:04
  Scott Jason. Who are you excited to see? Uh? Even on like
• 23:11
  the day that you're gonna be there? Who are the couple of those bands
• 23:12
  that you mentioned? Extoll? Yep, because well, I'll just say so.
• 23:18
  Extoll is one of consistently one of our favorite bands that we all love,
• 23:23
  and I'm pretty sure the last time they were in the USA we were
• 23:27
  with them, which was at a concert was it? Did we end that
• 23:33
  tour in Denver? Preemptively? It was a tour as our second tour ever
• 23:37
  was in support of Extoll, and it was after that album Blueprint or Blueprint
• 23:41
  Dives came out, and I think they did play Cornerstone, so I think
• 23:47
  they ended at Cornerstone and then they left, they went they went home preemptively.
• 23:52
  I think the tour, we cut the tour a little short or something
• 23:53
  I feel like, But anyway, yeah, I don't think they've been back
• 23:57
  to the USA since. And Super stoked some of my favorite musicians in the
• 24:02
  whole world or in that band. And then Living Sacrifice is playing and we
• 24:07
  got a chance to tour with them as well back in the day and always
• 24:11
  loved seeing them. Zeo another band that yeah, so so like All Depends
• 24:18
  that we grew up listening to so extall was our second tour. Zeo was
• 24:22
  on that Demon Hunter George is the biggest tour we ever did. And Living
• 24:26
  Sacrifice was the last tour you did in BTA I think is that was December
• 24:30
  twenty ten, man and then and then bands should not tour with you guys.
• 24:34
  Well, we used to make that joke, actually we because a lot
• 24:38
  of the bands that would tour with us would break up quickly after touring them
• 24:41
  with us, And we used to joke that there was a curse, the
• 24:44
  curse of BTA. Yeah, we were. We were taughtic to ourselves and
• 24:48
  we had enough toxicity for it to overflow into the bands around us. We
• 24:52
  were. We were, Yeah, speaking of toxicity, lots of system of
• 24:56
  a down. Did you guys tour with them too? No, they broke
• 25:00
  up. They broke up. That's why they won't get back to get there.
• 25:07
  Oh, Yeah, Old Surge. Did you say that Turnstyles playing on
• 25:11
  the day. Maybe they're not. Maybe I'm misadvertising. I thought they were
• 25:15
  headlining the day that we were playing. They were, Well might I mean,
• 25:18
  but I would love to see you in the pit at at Turnstile.
• 25:22
  I definitely if they are playing as I think they are that day, They're
• 25:25
  one of the bands that I'm stoked to see. Yeah, I recently watched
• 25:29
  I watched a video of them playing it like a in Florida or somewhere at
• 25:32
  like a rap festival, and they were the only like rock band and they
• 25:37
  were awesome. They look one over the crowd and it was really good.
• 25:41
  So they are one of those bands that I think they can go to like
• 25:44
  a festival where it's completely like not hardcore, it's not like a heavy music
• 25:48
  festival at all, and they can win over crowds that are like I've never
• 25:52
  been to something like this before, but I'm just gonna like do whatever I
• 25:56
  feel like doing and people just get one over by them. It's really cool
• 25:59
  to see that just kind of crossover in that way. You're starting to see
• 26:03
  that quite a bit in like the hardcore world. I mean, like Turnstyle,
• 26:06
  not not turnstile. But I'm not loosted that as well. Right,
• 26:08
  they played a co Coachella, That's what it was, Yeah, and they
• 26:11
  absolutely lit it up there. It's it's funny. I think. I think
• 26:15
  a lot of that has to do with this is getting way too deep,
• 26:18
  probably, but I think a lot of that has to do with the way
• 26:22
  the more like the metal and screaming vocal music. I don't want to call
• 26:26
  it scream up because I hate that word, but has become normalized. I
• 26:32
  think more and more people are just like, this is actually kind of fun
• 26:34
  and it's not something that only one demographic listens to anymore. We used to
• 26:40
  talk about stuff like that. I can remember riding in the van and we
• 26:41
  were like, you know, if slip Knot could just have like, you
• 26:45
  know, a one really big record, maybe like bands like us that scream
• 26:48
  could you know? This was before slip Knot was like as huge as they
• 26:52
  are now. Yeah, and now like it's like you said, I mean,
• 26:55
  there's bands that are playing Coachella festival that are all screaming all the time,
• 26:57
  and that's it's pretty wide. It was, but I think I've even
• 27:02
  seen some I've seen some stuff where like these huge like these huge like rap
• 27:06
  artists and pop artists are into into some of those bands and like advertising em
• 27:11
  were showing up at their shows randomly stuff. So that's crazy. I think
• 27:15
  I think it was Billie Eilish that just had there was like It Dies Today,
• 27:21
  the band It Dies Today. She had a song of theirs on her
• 27:23
  Instagram story, and I guess like the guy from or the lead singer from
• 27:30
  It Dies Today was like trying to like figure out if it was a joke,
• 27:33
  if like someone was like like just like playing a joke on him.
• 27:37
  But apparently she's like a huge fan. No, that's red' I think that's
• 27:41
  I think it's super cool. How that's the case now. Yeah, but
• 27:45
  it definitely wasn't. It wasn't always the case it was. It definitely wasn't
• 27:48
  normal. Yeah, you guys at least have a chance to actually sell records
• 27:52
  now, so you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah, now, you
• 27:56
  know what, we should really get the band back together. No wonder you
• 28:00
  wanted to play all these shows now? Yeah? Yeah, so he can
• 28:04
  get all that money from Spotify. Speaking of which is uh is the true
• 28:07
  lead guitarist of becoming archetype gonna be playing the true lead guitars. Wait,
• 28:14
  what does that mean? Nick, Nick Washburn, is he the truly in
• 28:19
  truth, he is currently the lead guitarist. Yes, in truth, he
• 28:22
  is currently our lead guitar players. Yes, yes, Nate is playing lead
• 28:26
  guitar. Nice, so he's gonna be there? Cool? Yeah, sure,
• 28:30
  Yeah, Well we'll definitely have to say hi to him too. Yeah,
• 28:33
  he was not allowed contractually. He hasn't signed with Solid State, so
• 28:37
  he cannot actually talk to any one that's not previously been allocated as a conversation
• 28:45
  buddy for him. So you're on the label. It's in his rider that
• 28:51
  he email Adamskatoula and he can see if he can get you connected with the
• 28:57
  right people to fill out the proper AFFIDAVI and have a conversation with Nathan P.
• 29:02
  Washburn. What is the P stand for persons? We don't know.
• 29:11
  I don't even I don't think it is P. I don't I don't even
• 29:14
  know what his middle name is. I think it's Perceval from what I understand
• 29:18
  from what I heard Nathan personal pen Dragon. It's it's very nice of him
• 29:26
  to take some time from my epic to play with BTA that's what a nice
• 29:30
  thing for him to do. Yeah, we take out that that total like
• 29:33
  three hours a year he spends doing my epic shows to stuff. We're very
• 29:38
  appreciative. That's not true. They just did a tour, You're a man.
• 29:42
  They did they we have this year. Yeah, they played ten minutes
• 29:47
  sets, so it ended up being a total of three words. They're super
• 29:52
  cool. But yeah, yeah, he's gonna be playing. He's gonna be
• 29:55
  playing lead guitar and uh duck and me and Seth doing the thing. So
• 30:00
  we look at you, look at you, Seth. Who I mean,
• 30:03
  besides the three bands that actually existed before two thousand that you're excited to see,
• 30:08
  are there any other bands that you've seen that will be at Furnace Fest
• 30:12
  year? Like, Oh, I definitely need to see them. I mean,
• 30:17
  you know, I'm not a huge Goaty Hook fan, but I did
• 30:18
  have their albums and they haven't played in a long time, so that'll be
• 30:22
  fun. I mean, I like pop punk and that'll be fun to watch.
• 30:26
  Kind of the same with the Insiders, Like, I mean, I
• 30:30
  wasn't a gigantic fan, but that I mean, SKA is always fun,
• 30:33
  you know, And you were in a ska band even well, I wasn't
• 30:37
  in the band, but I did fill in for one tour, yes,
• 30:38
  which would be really fun. It'd be great if they had like a ska
• 30:41
  day and they had like real big fish and you know bands like that.
• 30:45
  They played mephiscoff Leagues and bands like that. But I know that's only five
• 30:48
  Iron played last year and that would have been fun. But but I wasn't
• 30:52
  there, so yeah, that's rightly reliant. K uh, hey, I'm
• 31:00
  gonna see them. Uh you know thexx is playing, are they? Yeah?
• 31:04
  They exist xpx in haste the day. Yeah, Jason mentioned some bands
• 31:12
  like a Stole, you know, we'll definitely watch them and Living Sacrifice.
• 31:18
  I don't remember something. I mean, you know, a lot of the
• 31:19
  bigger bands I'm not as familiar with. I will probably watch Training for Utopia.
• 31:23
  But it's funny. I was texting a Ryan Clark the other day about
• 31:27
  that, and uh, I hope for men to say this, but like
• 31:33
  it's just talking about I was talking about playing, you know, and he's
• 31:38
  like, yeah, you know, speaking of which I gotta I gotta really
• 31:41
  get on, you know, remembering these songs with Training for Utopia. I
• 31:45
  was like oh, you know, just like read the lyric books to remember
• 31:48
  your lyrics, you know, and then just you know, scream along and
• 31:51
  he's like, yeah, but dude, the recordings from back then are so
• 31:55
  like, you know, low fi and end me like, sometimes I just
• 31:57
  I can't tell what's happened in the songs. I just thought that was That's
• 32:01
  kind of why I love it, Like you're listening and you're like, what's
• 32:05
  happening in this song? And how do I figure out how to do vocals
• 32:07
  to this again? You know? Oddly enough, that's how it is for
• 32:12
  me learning becoming the archetype. But not because the recordings are bad or anything.
• 32:16
  The recordings are great. It's just I'm tone deaf and I can't figure
• 32:21
  out what's happening musically. Do you guys remember the song New York City is
• 32:25
  Overrated by Training for Utopia? Yes, I hope, I really hope they
• 32:30
  played that. That was I listened to that recently on like one of those
• 32:32
  Solid State samplers that came out, and I was like, man, this
• 32:37
  was like kind of I remember when this when I got this sampler, and
• 32:39
  I was just it was such a weird industrial song, you know, and
• 32:44
  uh, I'd never heard anything like that. I think that would be a
• 32:46
  lot of fun. I mean, I I don't know a lot of the
• 32:49
  other songs, but that one was kind of fun. You used to you
• 32:51
  used to listen to Further Teams forever? Right? Oh are they playing?
• 32:54
  Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, sweet, I will watch further seams. Oh
• 32:59
  is what's his name singing with them? What's his name? You know,
• 33:02
  Chris, Chris Garraba? Yeah, No, it's gonna be Jason Gleeson,
• 33:07
  who is their second singing on the second album. That's fine. Yeah,
• 33:10
  that one is really good too, though. Acceptable, that's I mean,
• 33:15
  really, that's the best word for it. I mean, I would probably
• 33:16
  prefer Chris Garrabba, but I would rather be the second guy than the third
• 33:21
  guy. So you know, there you go. You know what I'm just
• 33:24
  realizing is again we've been doing all these Furnace Fest bands. The last three
• 33:29
  recordings or the last couple recordings that we've done, have all been with bands
• 33:34
  that are from Georgia. You guys, Show Brad, We just interviewed Showbread
• 33:37
  recently and Chasing Victory and later on Jean and Where They At Gotta Get Them.
• 33:45
  Well, we have interviewed Norma Jean, but we haven't for this,
• 33:47
  this kind of furnace fest series. But there's so many Georgia bands. Tomorrow
• 33:52
  we also have with Blood Comes Cleansing. Yes, I'll probably, I'll probably
• 33:58
  watch them show Bred Wills our first tour, so we've talked about these tourists
• 34:00
  getting show Friends took us on our very first tour we ever did, and
• 34:05
  I turned I turned twenty on that tour. We left on the tour and
• 34:08
  I was till nineteen and the Showdown was on that and point series became War
• 34:15
  of Ages was on that tour. It was, it was. It was
• 34:19
  kind of a fun time. But yeah, they were from they were from
• 34:22
  they were from Georgia. And the last show of the tour, they came
• 34:27
  out in cowboy boots and tiny shorts and couldn't stop laughing while they were playing
• 34:30
  the first song because of how ridiculous they looked. Do you remember that,
• 34:34
  Jason, I wasn't laughing. I think I remember you have. Everyone was
• 34:38
  laughing except Jason, very serious. That exact same look seth in like two
• 34:45
  thousand and twelve. Ah, man, I wish I could. I would
• 34:47
  love to wear cowboy boots and like booty shorts that would be. Uh.
• 34:52
  That picture of you with that cowboy hat, it's like one of the more
• 34:54
  epic pictures we've ever had to post on social media. Troy Stains took that
• 35:00
  picture because I had those huge glasses on. He was like, I have
• 35:05
  to capture your essence, and so he was. He was in the studio
• 35:07
  when we were doing Celestial Completion, and he was the one that took the
• 35:12
  pictures for us forward or he was in the with working with the guy who
• 35:15
  took our pictures for a Dichotomy, which is a really fun photo shoot as
• 35:17
  well. But he did he did the Celestial Completion ones where like we're levitating
• 35:22
  in the air on the back of the back of the album and and all
• 35:24
  that stuff. He's a really cool guy. Colin. Do you remember back
• 35:29
  around it was before Seleshield Completion. I think it was around Dichotomy years.
• 35:35
  But I think our youth group had like posters of like different albums, and
• 35:38
  I think there was like a BTA Dichotomy poster like in the hallway going into
• 35:43
  the boom room. Remember that. I do not think so. I think
• 35:46
  I would have could have swore there was like a becoming the archetype had a
• 35:51
  boom room. It's called it was we called our youth group is called boom,
• 35:54
  and we called that the boom boom room, just the boom. Okay,
• 35:58
  yeah, it stood for broken obedient, open messengers. Here comes the
• 36:04
  boom. Yeah yea, yeah. I remember when youth groups like had acronyms
• 36:07
  like that, just good old days. Now now they're just called like like
• 36:14
  city church or some stupid like dumb ass names journey. I can just remember
• 36:20
  when every youth group was called something like the basement or the underground or the
• 36:24
  garage, and it was all people were trying to give this idea of like,
• 36:29
  hey, teenagers want to come to a place it's like dark and dank
• 36:32
  and like not you know, not you know what I mean, Yeah,
• 36:37
  that's what they d want. That's what they want. So people would build
• 36:40
  these multimillion dollar facilities to make them look like crap for the Yeah, definitely.
• 36:45
  My sister, I mean, I'm from a small town in South the
• 36:49
  kind of My sister went to one called U turn uh and it was in
• 36:53
  this old like warehouse and it was no frill except for us, like a
• 37:00
  like a wooden stage in the middle, uh and I went there one time
• 37:06
  with her, and I felt like the coolest person in the world, the
• 37:10
  coolest person in the world. That's like, I am in a place that
• 37:15
  no person my age should be. Culture. Yeah, the culture so good.
• 37:20
  I was like, I feel like I am the Embodiment of New metal
• 37:23
  right now. That's the band that that's the band I need. I need
• 37:29
  Embodiment. That would be sweet. But then I just have to be a
• 37:31
  curmudgeon and stand around and be like, oh, I wish they play Embraced
• 37:35
  the Eternal material and they probably wouldn't. And you know, so we toured,
• 37:40
  We toured with Embodiment. Were you in the band then? Is that
• 37:45
  when they broke up shortly after them? Is awesome? Love? Those guys
• 37:52
  are great. Yeah. That's actually one of my all time favorite album covers
• 37:54
  is I can't remember the name of the album all of a sudden, the
• 37:58
  Raven and the Reaping or the second one, the second one with like that
• 38:01
  like Pope looking like yeah, yeah, I know one come out. I
• 38:06
  can't remember the name. Now I can't remember it either. Oh, the
• 38:09
  Architects of Guilt. Architects of Guilt, that's totally it. Yeah, this
• 38:14
  is not gonna be a very good picture of it. But I'll show it,
• 38:15
  show it to you. That is the coolest album cover ever. I
• 38:19
  think it is a really cool I'm yep, that's the Clark Brothers. Uh
• 38:23
  it is. It does have a very Clark Brothers vibe, doesn't it.
• 38:28
  It's got that like Norma Jean. Uh, what's the record they did after
• 38:32
  Scoggin left? Oh god, oh god? The aftermath kind of vibe?
• 38:37
  Yeah, totally. Yeah, anyway, love it. Well, We're super
• 38:42
  stoked to see you at Furness Fast. It's gonna be a good time.
• 38:45
  I've never seen Becoming the archetype ever play live. So that's not true.
• 38:49
  We both did at Sunshine, but oh right, we did not get to
• 38:53
  see it with Was it memorable? Apparently? We will drive. We'll try
• 39:00
  to get just below that. That was back when I was a libertarian,
• 39:07
  so I have wiped most of those memories out of my memory. Hey,
• 39:10
  was that in twenty ten? Do you guys remember twelve twenty twelve, the
• 39:15
  last years of Sunshine? I was there, Yeah, Jason wasn't there.
• 39:20
  In fact, I've never seen you guys with Jason and the band either,
• 39:23
  And I'm I'm beyond excited. Hm, really what you're excited to see me?
• 39:31
  Yeah? Yeah, I mean I think your I think your scream is
• 39:35
  one of the coolest screams ever. Like it feels it feels old school in
• 39:40
  a way that like doesn't exist anymore. Mhmm, Like you know what I
• 39:45
  mean, Like it's it's a it's a real screen. I think he's I
• 39:49
  think he's just saying you're old not old school. I just don't know if.
• 39:52
  I just don't know how I feel about this. I feel like it's
• 39:54
  almost like we're like, yeah, my favorite comedian growing up was red skilled
• 39:59
  and hilarious in ways that nobody else has been hilarious. And it's like,
• 40:05
  oh man, you basically just mean before things were funny. No, So
• 40:09
  what I'm saying. What I'm saying is like, your voice is great,
• 40:13
  Jason. It reminds me of back before all the good vocalists came around.
• 40:17
  I don't think that there's a lot of great, good like screamers these days
• 40:22
  though. Mm not not not really. I mean, your your skills,
• 40:27
  authentic and real pre pre vocal lessons. I'll do a clinic for him at
• 40:30
  his best Please go, please do on stage. I really want to,
• 40:36
  like, I want you to test out how loud your scream actually is,
• 40:39
  because we've heard on here before that your scream is so loud that like,
• 40:45
  if you were in a car with somebody and you screamed, what you would
• 40:47
  be actually like scream? It would like pop somebody's ear drums. About the
• 40:52
  physical popping of ear drums that's never been verified. Is it could be possible,
• 41:00
  though, And the fact that it's even possible means that it's clearly very
• 41:05
  loud. So I would love to see you, like actually scream without the
• 41:08
  microphone and see if like people could still hear you. Dude, you should
• 41:14
  do that. If I forget the lyrics, I will give you a demonstration
• 41:16
  of that. Please do. I'll just go off Mike and just start Yeah,
• 41:25
  are you like the scariest teacher at your school because of that too?
• 41:28
  Like, have you ever had to pull out that scream when you're like if
• 41:30
  some kids are misbehaving, you know, it's one thing if your teacher like
• 41:34
  yells at you, but if like they're if your teacher is professionally able to
• 41:38
  scream, like has been paid to scream, that's like another level of like,
• 41:43
  oh, you do not want to get in, you know, piss
• 41:45
  off. Mister will pretty much never screamed like that or even close to that
• 41:51
  at any student group of students, and I've I've never screamed like that at
• 41:54
  my children. It's a funny. It's a funny thing. Like I don't
• 41:58
  think anyone and maybe this is why we are just a weird band. But
• 42:04
  like, I don't think any of us got into metal because we were angry
• 42:08
  or anything. I think we all just like the music and so like none
• 42:12
  of it. Like between between the four people who'll be playing at this festival,
• 42:16
  I think there's what four tatto three tattoos total, like amongst a band.
• 42:23
  Like so yeah, I mean I'm probably the least scary teacher in a
• 42:28
  lot of ways. I'm really bad at the most master degrees between a band
• 42:31
  two probably at Furnace Fest, yeah probably, but yeah, no, I
• 42:36
  mean that's it's interesting to me. I think in a way the metal thing,
• 42:42
  like there's more of like just the art form and the like the drama
• 42:45
  is what drew us all in. We love the like to me, it's
• 42:47
  almost like a nerdy like role playing type of thing. It's like I'm gonna
• 42:52
  be this character of like you know this, I don't know, you know
• 42:57
  what I'm saying. I think there's something to metal about that anyway. I
• 42:59
  think that's why a lot of people can listen to metal and it calms them
• 43:01
  down and they chill out. It's because it's almost like a drama performance in
• 43:07
  a way. There are some people, there are some people who legitimately are
• 43:10
  doing metal because they want to destroy things and crush everything. And when we
• 43:15
  recorded with Devin Townsend, that was like that was his mindset. He's like,
• 43:19
  to me, metal is about chaos and like destroying everything, and you
• 43:23
  guys are coming, why couldn't do it anymore? At the time, he
• 43:27
  wasn't doing the metal at all because of that. And then he came back
• 43:30
  around and yeah, and I was making heavy music. That's a look like
• 43:34
  it's got more of a positive energy vibe, I guess, is what he
• 43:37
  would say. And I think it's really cool. Not that we had anything
• 43:39
  to do with that necessarily, but that's really cool. You sound like someone
• 43:44
  who's listened to a little bit of Deo in his life. Me Like,
• 43:47
  yeah, I mean, like like when you talk about like the drama of
• 43:50
  metal music, like that's like that's who I imagine being like the like mister
• 43:53
  drama of like like it's like like it's a theater production almost Dio Dio is
• 44:00
  okay, not necessarily one of my favorite things. I was super super into
• 44:04
  and annoyed everyone else in the band with lots of dream theater. Oh yeah,
• 44:07
  yeah, that's along the same line though, man, but that's not
• 44:10
  even like the same vocal style though, you know, that's what it made
• 44:14
  us to me. To me, honestly, the album I think that got
• 44:16
  me into that like that was was Blood and Fire by Zao. It was
• 44:21
  like it was such a different it wasn't It wasn't just a musical experience for
• 44:25
  me. I remember being like actually scared at times of certain things happening on
• 44:30
  that record. It was really cool hearing Deal live in the Shed? Are
• 44:36
  we talking about not not Deal? Sorry Zeo. When I saw Zero in
• 44:40
  the Shed live, yes, I actually was like terrified. And I've seen
• 44:45
  a lot of metal bands. That's the only time I can actually remember being
• 44:49
  scared like that. And it was so fucking loud. That was part of
• 44:53
  it, but it was it like, it wasn't pull that off. They
• 44:58
  always tell us to turn down never I've never understood how people like that's the
• 45:02
  laest band I've ever heard. I'm like the sound guys make us turn down.
• 45:06
  Like the best example of that was when we used to do occasionally we
• 45:08
  do in stores and like hot topics, and there was one in like Kansas
• 45:13
  City or somewhere where they you're in a moss you already know you can't go
• 45:16
  super loud, but then they kept asking us to turn down, and like
• 45:21
  after every song, like Malkop would come in there and talk to the manager.
• 45:23
  And we got to the point where literally Jason didn't have a microphone,
• 45:28
  Duck was playing with like the brushes rather than sticks, and we had turned
• 45:34
  our guitars down so low that we may as well have been unplugged, and
• 45:37
  we were playing in the like hot topic lingerie section, like lingerie wall next
• 45:43
  to us. It's on YouTube somewhere you could becoming becoming the jazz band.
• 45:47
  And then and they made us quick playing anyway, so it was like whatever,
• 45:52
  quiet and super awkward. Yeah, was that the first time you ever
• 45:57
  saw lingerie in real life? Probably for both of you. Yeah, sure,
• 46:02
  that's the first time we saw saw any kind of girls clothing other than
• 46:06
  t shirts and long Oh, here it is, here, it is.
• 46:09
  Oh my god. All right, I'm pulling this up. This is awesome.
• 46:15
  You really are right behind a bunch of there's like the little like bikini
• 46:22
  and and look at what song we're playing. We're playing How great thou art?
• 46:27
  It's a metal version of an old hymn and the hot topic lingerie section
• 46:34
  at half volume or not even half volume, tenth volume. I think that's
• 46:38
  what Jesus would have Ennel Gaily there with his backwards hat when he was about
• 46:43
  four years old, pre fit for a king, and Phineas look at look
• 46:46
  at him drumming. He's just he's barely. This is wonderful. That's hilarious.
• 46:54
  Yep, there you go. I'm missing old guitar man thing. All
• 47:01
  right, we gotta get going because Colin's got a kid to pick up.
• 47:05
  But let's talk about artists. Which one do we want to do? Colin?
• 47:08
  Let's go artists that you should like on paper? But you don't.
• 47:14
  All right, seth, you go first. Wait, well I haven't figured
• 47:17
  mine out yet. I thought someone else was gonna go first. Well,
• 47:20
  clearly Jason hasn't figured his out either. Artists that I artist that I should
• 47:24
  like on paper, but I don't. Yeh, chete, I should like
• 47:30
  that because and I hate band that doesn't count. It doesn't work. Whose
• 47:37
  paper is this? Who is the one? So like it? I should
• 47:40
  like these bands based off of all the other stuff that you listen to.
• 47:45
  You should probably like this band, but there's just something about it that doesn't
• 47:47
  like really. You know Jack with well, Jason mostly listens to country,
• 47:52
  so he's just gonna have to give you like Brooks and Done or something that
• 47:55
  you know he should like but he doesn't. Yeah, no, no,
• 48:01
  I don't. I don't listen to country really at all. Although I did
• 48:05
  recently discover Tyler Childer's was recommended to me. It's kind of that's kind of
• 48:09
  cool. I was kind of into that. Yeah, yeah, it's new
• 48:13
  to me. And then I'm trying to think of I've trying to think of
• 48:16
  a band that I'm I should like, but I don't. I don't like
• 48:21
  deal. Maybe I should, but I mean I think I guess I would
• 48:23
  think like man should I even mention a band is playing Furnace Best because then
• 48:27
  they totally oh uh. Duck was super into between the Barry to me,
• 48:37
  Yeah and he's I assume he still is, and I think on paper it
• 48:39
  would make sense that I should like them because I love progressive metal. I
• 48:44
  love Dream Theater. I think they've toured with Dream Theater. Just never never
• 48:49
  got into him. It's not that I hate them or anything, and just
• 48:51
  never got into him. Yeah, so yeah, that would be my band
• 48:53
  that I probably, I guess on paper, should like. But maybe i'll
• 48:57
  see him at U seem for an best and I'll love them. Yeah,
• 49:00
  that's a perfect example. They don't need me to love them though. Honestly,
• 49:05
  they're doing really well as a band. Okay, they're fine without me,
• 49:09
  Yeah you said, yeah, probably Brooks and Done. You know,
• 49:15
  I once listened to country and I thought it was all right, So you
• 49:17
  would think I would like all the country bands. But I can't tell you
• 49:22
  a song by books and around and all the country folks. Okay, So
• 49:32
  so because we're in a metal band, we should probably say some kind of
• 49:37
  heavy music room not necessarily thing you can't want. It's up team man.
• 49:44
  What about the Ws? Were you a big fan of the did not like
• 49:47
  the Ws that much? They were swing band and I was should have a
• 49:52
  guy, So yeah, not a big fan of the WS. Although You
• 49:55
  Are the Devil and the Devil Is Bad was pretty good song, but the
• 50:00
  rest of their stuff was garbage. So the W's can say, you know,
• 50:06
  that's gonna be the pool quote more like what they were, Like the
• 50:10
  WS, you don't say that I was into the swing. I bought into
• 50:16
  the swing thing. Wow, I thought it was gonna be the new It
• 50:21
  was a new sky. You were a cherry pop and daddy is what you're
• 50:23
  saying. Huh yes, squirrel nut zippers, brand orchestra. Yeah, hey,
• 50:35
  big that rudy daddy. Man, that's good stuffy riot. All right,
• 50:42
  So Seth, what is your answer? I think it's the WS.
• 50:46
  I'm glad I can help you get there. You know, oddly enough we
• 50:51
  mentioned them earlier, and I mean, I'm not trying to answer for you,
• 50:54
  but I don't think you ever liked rely On K as much as the
• 50:57
  rest of us did, even though at the time you were in pop punk
• 51:00
  like you loved him x p X, and it would have made sense on
• 51:04
  paper you should have liked Reliant K like the rest. Actually I really did
• 51:07
  like their first album, but then when they stopped dissing Marilyn Manson and calling
• 51:12
  him evil. I you know, it just didn't do a So that first
• 51:16
  album was really is it because you never were asked to You were never invited
• 51:21
  to a Sadie Hawkins dance? Is that like where you just RelA So when
• 51:23
  they came out with that album, everybody at my school was like super into
• 51:28
  that and Sadie Hawkins and so I was just like, it sounds too like
• 51:30
  generic rock to me. There was there was this transitionary time if you guys
• 51:35
  remember when like pop punk bands occasionally had songs with like a rock beat,
• 51:40
  but most of the songs were like faster and had that faster, galloping drumbeat,
• 51:45
  you know, with the snare on the you know. And then they
• 51:50
  all started transitioning this regular n and NN and nan and nan and then and
• 51:52
  then you know, the regular rock beat and it wasn't really pop punk anymore.
• 51:57
  And that was And yet you liked Eat World. I do like Bleed
• 52:02
  American quite a lot. Yeah, I think it has no expectation record.
• 52:07
  I don't like the Jimmy World records at all. I think it's all on
• 52:09
  you set. I think you should go back and listen to those Reliank records
• 52:14
  now that you don't necessarily create music with a super fast pump drum beat,
• 52:17
  and you might be like, these records are really good. Yeah, maybe
• 52:22
  there's lots of music. I might think it is pretty good. Okay,
• 52:25
  I stick the ones. I know that's true. There's lots of music.
• 52:29
  You might think it's pretty good. There's actually a lot of music out there.
• 52:34
  I might think it's pretty good. What what a statement? So is
• 52:39
  what we're doing the flip side of this question. I mean we can if
• 52:42
  you got time. I mean I've got time A couple a couple of them
• 52:46
  that I'm debating here. So yes, bands that you do like that you
• 52:52
  probably like, at least on paper, people would be like, wait,
• 52:54
  you like that band, or like, you don't really like any other bands
• 52:58
  like them even though you like this one bands Amazon, you should probably give
• 53:00
  an example. Yeah, So, for example, I'm not really into a
• 53:04
  lot of like neo folk stuff. There's a few like bony Beare songs that
• 53:07
  I like, and there's a few of those artists have like Fleet Fleet Foxes.
• 53:12
  I like a couple of their albums, But I adore Sufion Stevens.
• 53:15
  Anything he does I absolutely love. So that's a band that I'm like,
• 53:20
  I should it, probably like Sufion, but for whatever reason, I'm just
• 53:22
  like super into Sufion. Okay, yeah, I get it. I get
• 53:27
  it. So any band's like that for you or any artists. So this
• 53:31
  was based on stuff my wife has gotten me into mainly, and we've seen
• 53:36
  him both of these artists a couple of times. But like, my wife's
• 53:38
  into bluegrass and I'm not really into bluegrass. But ef O'Donovan who has played
• 53:46
  in a couple of different bands. It's really fun more like and also Irish
• 53:52
  folcore or bluegrass type stuff. And then the other one is Tenari Wynn,
• 53:57
  who is a Berber band from like the Sahara and they sing in like a
• 54:01
  you know, Tuareg language half the time. And I don't even know another
• 54:08
  man like that. I mean, I'm sure there are bands, but I
• 54:12
  don't whatever genre they are, I don't listen to those other bands in that
• 54:16
  genre. So, uh, they're like a kind of a one off or
• 54:21
  that kind of thing. I think that's well there, I've never heard of
• 54:25
  any of that. See this is mentioned. I saw Mason the Twin Cities
• 54:31
  in May at the Festival of Hombiletics which is a fancy way of saying like
• 54:36
  a preaching conference. And I was talking to him about that, and I
• 54:39
  was like, I do listen to music that's made since the nineties. It's
• 54:43
  just they're not bands. I think anyone's even heard of us, and they're
• 54:46
  not bands really, They're they're like bluegrass tangential artists that my wife into.
• 54:52
  So I don't there's no that like it's a dead end. When you mentioned
• 54:55
  them, people are like m okay, and then the conversation moves because they
• 55:00
  there's no frame of reference there for that kind of stuff. They're not indie
• 55:04
  rock or anything. They're just they're just something else. So it doesn't do
• 55:07
  any good to mention them, you know, like I think it does.
• 55:12
  It probably means a lot to them. Oh, I'm sure tunari Win is
• 55:15
  just leaping up and down because they're over there in Africa thinking, oh Seth
• 55:20
  count Seth Lord of Death from becoming the arts mentioned us. Yeah, they
• 55:25
  need it. Wow. So I guess again, this this to me is
• 55:32
  like what it depends on who's making the list, because I think when you
• 55:36
  play in a metal band, especially if the vocalist for a metal band,
• 55:38
  people make assumptions about what you like to listen to, and they have tattoos.
• 55:44
  I don't particularly listen to a lot of metal. I do like some
• 55:49
  metal, so trying to think which which direction is the best way to go,
• 55:52
  I'll give you two answers. How about that great One answer is that
• 55:57
  probably the person the music I've and the most too in the past ten years
• 56:02
  is a Christian singer songwriter guy named Andrew Peterson. And I'm a huge fan
• 56:07
  of Andrew Peterson. He's been around since the nineties and I love his stuff.
• 56:14
  It's just like America and like folk stuff anyway, So you might not
• 56:19
  know that I would listen to that, although I've named some death therapy stuff
• 56:22
  after his stuff. He's written a book series called The Wing Feather Saga that
• 56:28
  I've read and my children love, and it's a fantasy series. There's a
• 56:31
  show anyway. Okay, So there's that. On the one side, you
• 56:35
  might not have expected that. On the other side, I found out.
• 56:37
  I didn't know this. It sounds like Donald Trump. Like frankly, I
• 56:39
  wouldn't say this, but not me, But other people have said they're becoming
• 56:45
  the archetype apparently is viewed by some as a hipster band, like only like
• 56:50
  you get you're a hipster if you like becoming the archetype. I don't think
• 56:52
  we're a hipster band. I just think we're not cool. So it's not
• 56:55
  that, you know, hipsters like to say they like music that's bad to
• 57:00
  make other people like them. We're bad. Yeah, we're just not good.
• 57:05
  So I don't think we're hipsters. But there definitely was a time where
• 57:09
  I think people interpreted us as thinking like, oh, well, we're not
• 57:14
  into like popular whatever's popular in the scene right now. It was like,
• 57:17
  there's a band that's clearly the most dominant popular heavy band and they're called sleep
• 57:23
  Tooken and I have I have so many friends who are like these old like
• 57:29
  metal grouchi metal heads that are my age, and they're like those kid understand
• 57:32
  what people like these guys they're so dumb and I'm like, I don't know,
• 57:37
  I think they're awesome, so I really like them. So that might
• 57:39
  be one that people might not expect. That's a great example. Yeah,
• 57:44
  I also love Ghosts. I think that's like that's just like pop metal.
• 57:51
  I'm like, whatever it sounds like. Imagine Draggy. I would probably that
• 57:59
  mormonis is cool yep. Oh wait wait, Mattie Dragons is Mormon. Yeah
• 58:05
  they're from Utah. Oh my gosh, okay, I really like the man.
• 58:10
  I've been looking for ways to support some Mormon rock. Who else there's
• 58:16
  one of the Killers, The Killers. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
• 58:22
  The Killers was playing it. Fernest best Seth would be. So yeah,
• 58:27
  they had some good albums. Those first two albums are great. I just
• 58:30
  saw The Killers. They were great. They're awesome life. You'll find out
• 58:31
  that Seth only likes the first album that anyone ever puts out. Maybe this
• 58:37
  is why people thinksters bands or something like that. So conglomerate burber bands.
• 58:45
  Dude look up to nor He went on Spotify and tell me, if you
• 58:49
  don't like it, they're I'm sure I'm gonna love it. Man, I
• 58:52
  have a pretty eclectic taste. But you know, it's just it's just kind
• 58:54
  of funny when you when you claim you're not a hipster and then you you
• 58:58
  say shit like that. I just named like three bands that I like that
• 59:02
  have like four million listeners on Spotify monthly. So that's the thing though.
• 59:07
  So like Tnari Winn has like a lot of listeners. They're just not are
• 59:12
  They're just not us. They're like it's like that man Beach House I mentioned
• 59:15
  at the last Black sheepoint. It's like they have listeners, they're just not
• 59:19
  you and meers. Yeah, anyway, yeah, please please go listen to
• 59:24
  our album. Well, speaking of which, what do you guys want to
• 59:28
  plug? Besides an unbelievable album one of our favorites from last year? What
• 59:31
  do you want to plug? I still want to plug the album. I
• 59:36
  still have friends that are like, I didn't know you put out a new
• 59:37
  album, and I'm like, are you serious? Look at this guy bragging
• 59:40
  about having friends when he's forty years old. Yeah, Jesus Christ over here
• 59:49
  friends in his thirties. Yes, Jesus the greatest miracle. If I had
• 59:53
  frames, I would totally be telling them about this album. Yeah. But
• 59:57
  actually, yeah, I've still found out that somehow, or we had a
• 1:00:00
  guy who's I've known for a long time. He came and actually ran sound
• 1:00:04
  for us at at or what was it called Audio for You? And he
• 1:00:08
  was like, man, I thought that was just a reissue with a new
• 1:00:12
  cover for Terminating Damnation, because it's it kind of looks like a flipped like
• 1:00:16
  it flipped around the coast Jah and he's like, dude, I didn't know
• 1:00:20
  he put out a new album and he went listen. He's like, this
• 1:00:22
  is awesome. So I'm hoping, honestly, I'm really hoping that that's the
• 1:00:28
  case for most of the people in the world and that they just didn't know.
• 1:00:32
  It's not that they ignored us, but they they just needed someone on
• 1:00:37
  the Black Sheet podcast to tell them we actually have a new album. Please
• 1:00:40
  check it out. Well, that's what we're here for. That's what we're
• 1:00:43
  here for. It sounded like at least a show overseas that people could expect.
• 1:00:47
  Any other shows that maybe we could see besides Furnace Best. Yeah,
• 1:00:52
  if you're in the Northeast. The week before Furnace fst and were playing a
• 1:00:54
  festival called Uprise Fest, and then in October will be playing in Germany and
• 1:01:00
  then next spring and we haven't really formally announced it yet, but we might
• 1:01:06
  mind the time that you air this, they've announced that we're playing, so
• 1:01:09
  you can announce it. Okay, Yeah, we're playing in Switzerland and Zurich.
• 1:01:13
  Uh, like next April, so beautiful, so you can finally get
• 1:01:17
  closer closer to your socialist roots, so over there when you play those festivals,
• 1:01:22
  that's right, I'm sure. I'm sure Jason's really excited socialists investing their
• 1:01:28
  money there. And then with the with the last time I was there,
• 1:01:34
  I was told that they that they actually people who live there have a hundred
• 1:01:37
  year mortgages because the cost of living is so high, and I was like,
• 1:01:40
  oh my god. I was like, why did you know your mortgage
• 1:01:43
  is wild? Did you know the word mortgage means death bledge market being death,
• 1:01:49
  So it kind of makes sense in some ways to have it last like
• 1:01:52
  mortician death. Yeah, that's awesome to death bledge Yeah, I love it.
• 1:01:59
  That should be like the new band name mortgage, the next mortgage,
• 1:02:05
  nothing like that, the most the most metal, the most metal title,
• 1:02:08
  Lady Man's Mortgage. Dude that it's Death Therapy's next album name. There you
• 1:02:15
  go, Yeah, there you go. Yeah. If there wasn't any new
• 1:02:16
  music from Death Therapy, that'd be great. But all right, anyway,
• 1:02:20
  you guys are wonderful. We're excited to see at Furness Fast. It's gonna
• 1:02:22
  be fun to hang out, so thank you so much, and we're excited
• 1:02:27
  to see you I'm looking forward you guys buying me of those beers that you
• 1:02:29
  promised me. I'm very excited about that. Looking forward, Can I get
• 1:02:34
  a big guy's soda?