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Why Has Fr Chad Ripperger Been Silenced? | Regina UNSCRIPTED · Regina UNSCRIPTED

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  SPEAKER_00: To so to give a brief outline, it's not so much that he's been asked to step back.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's been asked to step back from publicly speaking about his his ministry, but and to focus on his community.
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  SPEAKER_00: You kind of think in any other situation, that would be just derigo.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: It would just be normal course of, you know, it wouldn't be a problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: But because he's got this massive high profile, it's immediately read to be a slap down on more traditional sort of priests.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: The reason that it's big news is because of other celebrity priests like Father James Martin.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: The contrast and the obvious hypocrisy, you know, where you've got someone like James Martin who is the first to jump on anything like have photo opportunities and have everything lined up so that he can make a big deal out of it.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_00: And to push an agenda which is in direct contradiction with scripture tradition and the magisterium.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Mark Lambert.
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  SPEAKER_02: Just the two of us today, Mark.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's been a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not a bad thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's quite nice, isn't it, to catch up.
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  SPEAKER_02: We felt there's been so much going on, and we haven't really had a chance just to catch up, which is really how we began, though, wasn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Just a weekly catch-up, a chit-chat between lay Catholics with some theological knowledge.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_02: And here we are again.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: I like the way you said that, yes.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I don't want to toot, you know, I'm I'm British.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: We don't toot our own horns too much.
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  SPEAKER_00: That would be vulgar.
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  SPEAKER_02: Wouldn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Be vulgar.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're not in the vulgar business.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_02: Um, what have I got on my list?
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_02: I've got so much on my list, Mark.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just going to jump to you and ask you to update us on it all.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_02: Let's start with the Episcopal consecration of um Father Stephen Wang, who we have known um for a number of years in various capacities.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: A great priest has done a lot of work, uh, a lot of work on evangelization.
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  SPEAKER_02: He he's behind the Sycamore course, which is um, I don't know whether if it's in Brentwood, it's all around Southwark, to try and help those.
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  SPEAKER_02: The idea is like Zacchaeus in the Sycamore tree up um to reach out to those who don't yet know Christ to help them to know him better.
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  SPEAKER_02: So lots of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: What is it what's the idea?
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  SPEAKER_00: The Sycamore idea?
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  SPEAKER_02: You know, Zacchaeus or Zacchaeus.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Zacchaeus at this, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Zacchaeus, let's throw Zacchaeus in the case.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sorry.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's the action.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: As we said on podcast, Haphanaeum.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're gonna have to do a bingo card, aren't we, for people to to to pick out the uh the the various ways in which we say Catholic things.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: There we go, Catholic with two Fs.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um where was I?
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  SPEAKER_02: Zacchaeus.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was Paul Stephen Wang is where I actually was.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: He has just been appointed um bishop of Arundel and Brighton.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: There's another word we could say differently, Arundel, Arundel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it came off the back of obviously the the the man who was bishop there was um Richard Moth, and he was he was promoted, translated to um Archbishop of Westminster, which was a bit of a shock, I think, for a lot of us, but it made sense in uh in the context that he's a safe pair of hands, and I think that's really what they were looking for.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were we were hoping it would be someone else for Westminster.
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  SPEAKER_00: John Wilson would have been good, but that would have been a weird move from Archbishop of Southwark to Archbishop of Westminster.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, we've got Wilson, he's doing amazing work in South.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: Great work, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Please God, um, you know, I think I think Archbishop Moth will be better than Archbishop, Cardinal Archbishop Vincent Nichols, anyway, who, you know, I had serious reservations about for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh I'm really pleased that that's left Arundel and Brighton open, and we've got Stephen Wang, who was the rector of the Venerable English College in Rome up until recently, and as you say, is someone we know, you know, it's like it's lovely because he's a priest that I think both of us have bumped into in various different places at various different times.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's always very generous, you know, lovely, uh, kind, very, very interested in evangelization.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's interested in making the gospel work in people's lives and relating what the church teaches in a very real way to the pastoral situations he's encountered as a priest.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that is superb to see that in a bishop.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to be really interesting times down there in the south of England.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, good priest, nice guy, and uh let's watch this space.
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  SPEAKER_02: But it's wonderful to have him in place.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, I'm just doing it's freezing cold all of a sudden, isn't it, Mark, after a long hot summer?
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sitting here with a blanket over my legs and uh and a failing microphone.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um what can we say?
• 5:12
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• 5:23
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• 5:26
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• 5:27
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna start I'm gonna sit here and hold this up.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um Father Rippager.
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  SPEAKER_02: So another word or ripger.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um Father Rippager, a big name in America and also over here, increasingly, especially amongst perhaps the traditional, traditionally minded uh Catholics.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, many people have got his books, have listened to his homilies, his talks.
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  SPEAKER_02: He used to be lesser known, but has exploded everywhere, especially following interviews with it's not Sean.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tucker Carlson and Sean Ryan.
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  SPEAKER_00: Was it Sean?
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  SPEAKER_02: Sean Ryan, that's it, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a really big one, isn't it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's a huge one.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and Tucker Carlson.
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  SPEAKER_02: And he is um an exorcist, and so he speaks a lot about spiritual warfare, and has recently been asked to step back by his bishop, which is not unheard of and is perfectly within his rights to request that of a priest.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's blown up into a bit of a storm with I think John Henry Weston on Lifesite News saying this is problematic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Why is he suppressing this traditional priest?
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: And lots of talk.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh basically, Mark, lots and lots of noise following that has been going on online, and you know all about it because you've been following that.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: So fill us.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'd I I'm sort of loath to to to s jump into the breach though, as well.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: And you had some very interesting perspective on it that you know I thought was relevant, very pertinent.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: But to so to give a brief outline, I would say that the issue, as far as I can see it, is it's not so much that he's been asked to step back, he's been asked to step back from publicly speaking about his ministry, but and to focus on his community.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you kind of think in any other situation, that would be just de rigueur, it would just be normal course of, you know, it wouldn't be a problem.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: But because he's got this massive high profile, it's immediately read to be a slap down on traditional, more traditional sort of priests.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I suppose the reason that it's big news is because of, you know, other celebrity priests like Father James Martin.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: The the contrast and the obvious hypocrisy, you know, where you've got someone like James Martin who is the first to jump on anything like um, you know, Fiducia Supperkans and have photo opportunities and have everything lined up so that he can make a big deal out of it, yeah, and to push an agenda which is in direct contradiction with scripture, tradition, and the magisterium.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: And yet he seems to be welcomed by you know Cardinal um Wilton Gregory, by Cardinal Supich, by Cardinal Tobin.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's got high-ranking supporters, he's boasted about this online.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so it seems like here we've got another situation where we've got orthodoxy being pushed down and suppressed, you know, Rippage's famous for being orthodox, and and you've got like, you know, problematic, if you like, or confusing um narratives being supported and promoted and lauded.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, for Catholics who are trying to be faithful, that's obviously a worry.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's obviously confusing, isn't it?
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: You can understand why, can't you?
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  SPEAKER_00: Even if it's not, even if there's nothing in it, you can see why the optics are the way that they are.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I can see it.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just a bit of the view, just tur turn it off.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: What are you doing?
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  SPEAKER_02: Paying it to like demanding answers from a bishop about what he chooses to do with a priest under his jurisdiction.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I I just think we're in a funny place where we feel we're owed, we want to know the answer.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_02: Who do we think we are?
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, seems unjust, seems unfair.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: Look at Father James Martin being elevated and championed and given a public role.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_02: But at the same time, I think we can become a bit a little bit part of the problem.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I I I don't know the circumstances.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't really demand to know the circumstances and the answers, but I do know that Father Ripiger was um, you know, as an exorcist, was it's really hard to kind of articulate this.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: I was struggling with you earlier.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's kind of like he's bringing to the public foreground and into the public attention something that is is very dangerous, and um is also perhaps shouldn't be made public in the way that it has been.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: And you can see why the enemy would want to get in and disturb that.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think he's I think it's very delicate ground because we were talking about Bishop Barron, and in a way, there's like Bishop Barron has been able to continue his public ministry undisturbed, but he's really just talking about the the faith, reasonable faith, looking at his Catholicism series, doing his homilies.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's not focused on the spiritual warfare quite so much.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, but but Father Ripinger is, and so I'm not surprised that he has been told to step back from public ministry and focus more on his community.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know that that's necessarily a bad thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm a bit wary, Mark, of public exorcists talking about driving out demons and the stories of what the demons said to them, and for a number of reasons.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: One, I think it can leave people overly focused and neurotic almost about the demonic.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I know Father Ipiger famously says, you know, it doesn't mean there's a demon under every stone, but it it can leave us all of these things in the public arena, I think can draw our attention away from the things that really matter, which is really our private sphere.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Your family matters to you, my family matters to me.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's done and unseen by others is of the most importance in your life, just like in a church, the the the secret, the quiet, the hidden away, the tabernacle, the veiled is the most holy and the most precious.
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  SPEAKER_02: As soon as we start taking that that private sphere, that quiet sphere, that sacredness, and like ripping the veil off.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I I said to you the image of a woman in a tank top.
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  SPEAKER_02: I often think we veil our lower abdomen, our tummy region because it's holy, not because it's embarrassing.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: And to me, it's there's something I can't quite articulate, but I sense that perhaps it would it's a wise thing to maybe not be quite so vocal about this ministry.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: Having said that, I don't know the reasons, and maybe there's all sorts of terrible and wrong reasons to do with suppressing Orthodox priests.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: But those are my thoughts on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I and I think that's really important.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think what you said is really important, and you know that you know, from my personal experience, it's something that I take very seriously and would rather just I think it's important that we, you know, respect it.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't really understand how these things, you know, how these things work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, oh, there's not a demon under every every stone, and but kind of there is as well at the same time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what you're talking about, and what Father Rippager talks about is uh an angelic intelligence, so a supra intelligence that is completely focused on bringing about our downfall, and you you know, is like tricking us into hell, basically.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: And we know that you know, we know as Catholics, and and it's important that we share with our audience as well, that if you are in a state of grace, if you're close to Christ, then then these entities have got no influence over you.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they can tempt you, but you know, generally speaking, um, if you're in the right place, you you they've got no pat no real power over you.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, at the same time, if you open a door to that, and part of that door is fascination, isn't it?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that part of that is becoming overly interested in in that sort of thing, which is something that I you know, I just think I don't, you know, I just don't want to know really.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, I want to just stay as close to Christ as I can and avoid anything like that, avoid their attention, really.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then this feeds back, I suppose, into the you know, the history of the St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Michael the Archangel prayer, you know, that that there's one version of the prayer that we say regularly, and there's another version of the prayer.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you know this, the exorcist version that you're not supposed to say unless you're unless you're an exorcist.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: Did you know that?
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever heard that before?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: No, oh, I didn't know that.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you know, like this other version, it's meant to be, you know, so powerful that it actually attracts the attention of the demons, you know.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: So you need to be in the right place in order to use that prayer properly.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: So, so like my point being that we know that this is a thing, we experience demonic um influence in in if we're aware of it spiritually in our lives, you can recognize um where it's a problem, and we can recognize it in society.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, interestingly, like 50 years ago, Bishop Fort and Sheen reflecting on the the demonic, the Gerhardine demonic, you know, sort of pointed out exactly what the problem would be um with our culture, and you know, part of that is fascination with sort of nakedness, nudity.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we'll see that in spades.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um the and the and the the breakdown in unity, which is fascinating because you really see that in the church at the moment, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: That we are legion, yeah, exactly.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um there seems to be a real spirit of attacking the church and the unity of the church at the moment that a lot of people seem susceptible to.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think we have to be very like you and I have to be very careful to if we're gonna criticize things, as we I think we've just demonstrated in this topic, what we're doing is saying, look, we don't we're not gonna say, oh, this is a scandal because we don't know enough to say it is a scandal.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: What we don't, you know, my point really is that if the archdiocese or if the diocese, I can't remember it was an archdiocese, goal Christophishop, but if he'd been a little bit more astute, he might have recognised the fact that this needed some careful um media screening or some and and perhaps dealt with it a little bit more sympathetically.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: But I think your point is an excellent one that we don't know what's gone on here, and until we do, we we sort of got to pray for everyone involved, pray for the bishop, um, pray for Father Ripiger.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Who you know, the I think the statement from the Diocese says is a priest in good standing, uh, someone that the bishop really appreciates his ministry.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: So who knows what kind of conversation has gone on there?
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: It could be a really positive conversation for both of them.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: We we just don't know, and I'm in agreement with you.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I remember a friend of mine saying years ago that uh her grandmother, so this would have been quite some years ago, was absolutely shocked by do you remember that Nike advert?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: No, the shore advert.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: There was a woman tennis player, and there's a tick on her back, and then it showed her back with a sweat-free tick to show that the deodorant works.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that was it.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: And her grandmother's mother was outraged and said, This is pornography.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: And she kind of laughed, you know, like, oh, don't be so old-fashioned.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: But she said, if we're accepting this, what will we go on to accept?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's so true because something like a woman in a tennis dress is not gonna shock us because of how much there is now that we see that we it's like we've lowered the bar, isn't we?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: We've lowered the bar.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I do, I do think I'm I'm quite I'm very frightened of like rightly disposed, I would say, of the spiritual.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Everything is the spirit spiritual warfare isn't one thing over there, and then everything else is over here.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Our whole lives, our whole existence is we are at war.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we are at war.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: And what is the war?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: The war is ultimately not with the annoying lib liberals or the it's a battle between good and evil.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: And we have to stay close to Christ and we have to stay under the mantle of our lady and and and keep our children safe.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm very aware that that is raging around us.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I worry that with casual programmes about exorcisms and talking about it and being on big podcasts, that it becomes like we just talking about the devil, you know, we've almost swung the other way.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: Baudelaire said the greatest trick the devil ever played was but uh getting people to believe he didn't exist.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: The opposite might be the greatest trick is putting the devil everywhere so that it becomes passe.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, we're all chatting about the devil and demons, and forgetting that actually this is very, very careful ground that we should be approaching is great humility.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, I'm just I'm wary.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like you are.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's very wise.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's a very wise approach.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: I like I do worry about some of the things that Father Rippager, you know, some of like a lot of it makes a lot of sense to me.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_00: I'd love to sit down, I'd love to have Father Ripper or you know, I mean, we've had Father uh Michael McCormick on, haven't we?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: He's an exorcist, but he was very careful about you know what he spoke about and did it in a way that you know was obviously trying to encourage Catholics.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'd love to have someone on that we could go through some of the more, you know, sort of difficult elements of what exactly this is about and what it actually means for our society, because as you say, it you know, it uh it is uh you how do you react to it?
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Do you see demons everywhere?
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like one of the things that Father Ribbager says is that Harry Potter will lead our children to um you know embrace witchcraft or something like that.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, I struggle with stuff like that because I think like there's any well, I don't yeah, but like what story then is is you know, like you could say the same with Lord of the Rings, it's got a wizard in it, or you know, you could say the same about Narnia, or and they're explicitly Christian books, you know, so uh it's difficult, but that but the at the same time there's no doubt in my mind that there is a demonic influence, and like so this is the Fulton, this is the Fulton Sheen um thing that I've I've put up on uh X.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: So he says uh the first one is the obsession with nudity, the degradation of human sexuality, the commodification of the body, and the progressive abandonment of modesty.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: What was once regarded as intimate and sacred becomes something to be consumed.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, only fans.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's so prevalent, isn't it?
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's going on all you know, all the time.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and literally, and literally, well, yes, but also literally human beings for sale.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah, you've got the nudity and you've got the selling of sex, I suppose, but you've also got the literal selling of human persons.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Who are becoming a commodity through surrogacy and right, exactly.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, really important point there.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, number two is violence and destruction, not simply physical aggression, but a culture increasingly fascinated by hatred, confrontation, humiliation, and the destruction of others.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Violence becomes entertainment, cruelty becomes spectacle.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: We see this in art, TV, even news coverage today.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: That, like, you know, even that there was that tragic story this week of a priest who died when the crucifix fell on his head.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you know if you'd heard that story, but it seemed like everyone was just sharing the footage, left, right, and centre, you know?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: And uh like it was quite shocking footage because he died, the poor man died.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, when you just think, is that really sensible to be sharing that?
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is what worries me.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm not a big social media person, partly through my own incompetence in terms of uh how it works, but also I'm worried about it, Mark, because the the few times I do sort of open up X or Instagram R account and just sort of catch up on what's going on.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's lots of lovely stuff.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: There's lots of lovely stuff showing beautiful Catholic things and clips and people, but the then it it'll throw up something, and you think, oh, I've I've lived my whole life, I've got to nearly 50, and I've never seen a person falling off a balcony or or or been run over by a bus or a car driving into a crowd.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't want to, and you suddenly feel at you're not at peace, you're not at ease, you feel God loves them, you're praying for these people, you're worried about them.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: And you might say, Well, we need to know the truth about what's going on.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: But there's all that's always gone on.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: There will always be these terrible things, but it's just violence, it's a violence to to just put this constantly 24-7 before us.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: And for us to see abuse and rape and torture and killings in movies, in fiction, in real life, it's just it's horrendous.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: And it does something to the human person.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think it it changes us um if we're not careful and if we don't if we don't watch out.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think you're absolutely right.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: We become desensitized as well, don't we?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there's no argument, you couldn't construct an argument that says that we haven't seen an increase in violence, gratuity.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's almost like every new thing that comes out has to be more violent, has to have more swearing in it, has to be more gratuitous, um, because otherwise it doesn't register on the the, you know, interest radar sort of thing.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: And like, where does it all end?
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: I just have got no idea.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: You can't say that society, despite the fact that we haven't had a war, and perhaps that might be part of it, do you think that we haven't experienced the reality of that sort of violence?
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: And so, like, we're trying to experience it in a third party sort of way.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_02: I wouldn't want to use that as a reason to advocate for a war.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_02: We're quite all right, thanks very much, especially if it's defending what the rotten culture we've got now.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_02: But that's another question.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, yeah, absolutely.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just it's just in massive increase in violence, nudity, commodification.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: And this is your third point, which I think is brilliant.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and then you can see that it kind of captured me a little bit because I wrote a bit more about it, but um, you know, what Fort and Sheen says is the fragmentation of identity is the third um and most striking sign where he says the the Geresine demon demoniac answers Christ's questions, what is your name?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: With the words, my name is Legion, for we are many.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: Sheen saw here a profound image of the divided self, a person whose interior unity has been shattered.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're created to possess an interior unity in which our reason, will, emotions, desires, body and soul are integrated and ordered towards God.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: Sin disrupts that unity.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: We become divided against ourselves, knowing what is good, but desiring what is harmful, pursuing happiness through things that ultimately leave us dissatisfied.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: You see that in like the trans issue, don't you?
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really good example of that, isn't it?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: St.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Paul describes something similar in Romans 7:19, for I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: What makes Sheen's analysis so fascinating here is his understanding of the diabolical as fundamentally destructive of unity.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: What like I think that's so important.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: We mustn't underestimate that.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_00: Within the human person, within families, within society, and even within the church, consider the extraordinary fragmentation of contemporary Western culture, our confusion about the human person, um, our disintegrating relationships, marriage, like the death of marriage in our culture, and our increasingly bitter divisions, the polarized nature of our societies.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sheen was not suggesting that everyone experiencing these difficulties was possessed.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Of course he wasn't.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was identifying something far more important, the spiritual logic of evil, which seeks to separate what God has joined together.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Perhaps the most revealing question is not whether Sheen's observations describe our society.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: It's obvious and chilling how clearly they do.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: But how we came, and this is the point that really you're making, like with the entertainment.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: How did we come to regard so many of these symptoms as some kind of sign of progress?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's that that summed it up in that fragmentation and what God has put together, let no man put asunder, which of course we hear in the uh uniting of a man to a woman in in marriage.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: And divorce is a huge example of that, and the and then the degradation of the family and all that follows.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like this hierarchy, isn't it?
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: Divorce man from God, man from woman, children from adults, and then within yourself, male and female, divorce soul from body, and um that's that's so true, um, and such a reminder that we need to remember unity is so important, and not I don't mean that kind of diversity, equality, inclusion, you know, there is no boundaries, there's no borders, not that sort of thing, but all one in Christ that we keep saying over and over is we have national identities and cultures and that diversity, but it can be held that tension can be held together only in Christ.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_02: If you get rid of Christ, there is nothing unifying holding it together.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so some political attempt to create unity arbitrarily doesn't work.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it's brilliant, yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very true.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and I think if you wanted evidence of like the demonic as a reality, these are sort of some of the best ways of thinking about it, really.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's not in you know, scary stories of demons climbing up the wall or anything like that, but you know, you can imagine that that it makes a lot of sense that if the devil wants to destroy humanity, this is the way that he's gonna do it, and it's you know, it's scriptural as well, isn't it?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um so I think that's sort of the wisest thing we can do is sort of watch to the ways that um these anti-Catholic, anti-Christian ideas that we see in scripture and in church teaching throughout history are seeping into our society and into our relationships, even the culture of the church.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's one thing I wrote about for the Herald years ago about this idea that if we see like devil horns, like Halloween at the moment, and we're seeing lots of the witch witch broomsticks and the pump scary faces and everything, and none of that's very nice.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_02: But if we see that as that's all evil and I'll stay away from it, we're missing the fact that there's there's great evil in ways that are much more subtle, much less clear, and much perhaps arguably much more dangerous because of that subtlety, because it's not it doesn't smack you in the face, it's that whisper, the the whisper of the enemy, the little niggles into those doubts, and those are the things.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: And and we can't do it alone.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_02: That's the other thing.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_02: We can't counter this alone.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: We can be watchful, we can use our intellect, and we can have that baptized, but um, we have to seek God's grace because ultimately it's a supernatural battle, and we are created for a supernatural end, and we can't reach a supernatural end with nature alone.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_02: We need God's grace, we need supernatural intervention.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: And you ask how we could get here, you ended that quote with how do we get here?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it's that old um, you know, the boiling frog.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like we just were everything was rosy and we were skipping along, making daisy chains, and then boom, you know, this someone shoved a load of endless pornography in our faces and we were horrified.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's a drip, drip, drip, slows.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: Let's tell let's push the boundary.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, stop.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: Push the boundary, stop until we don't even know, we don't even notice anymore.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Or at least we should and we try to, but um, it's easy to well fascinating then that we've got this situation in our culture at the moment um where we've got young people are rejecting almost that, that they're recognising it on their own.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that for me is the emargo day.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that is that we are born with an innate sense of good and evil, that's natural law, that we recognize um that we're drawn towards the good, the true, and the beautiful, and that that sort of um influence that pulls us towards those fleshy temptations, if you like, nudity, pornography, things like that, especially, are inherently fallen.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they're an overindulgence, like eating too much cake, isn't it?
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, yeah, because we love cake and then we feel sick.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then and so you you know, it's learning to that these things are good, that our appetites are good when they're ordered towards, you know, the best possible thing, towards God.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: And we've got some sense of that, you know, it's fascinating, isn't it?
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: We we all have because we're human, we we you know, and that's the thing.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: We have that basic um recognition that we should do good and avoid evil.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: The problem comes with is recognizing what that is.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: So we might pursue something, like you say, that seems like a good, um, it's that it's like a apparently a good, but actually it's not, and it really is going to destroy us.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: But our instinct to seek the good is still a good is true.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's still a uh, you know, the right instinct.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: And that's why I think young people are starting.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: And and the problem is because we are we're sold these lies, you know, we're sold these lies where they are presented to us as goods.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's you know, God love young people.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: To some extent, you think they don't stand much of a chance.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: They're born into a world where they go into schools from a young age, where they're presented with books and they're taught messages and things are drummed into them, and they're just little sponges and they're just learning this.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_02: And they grow up thinking, well, this is good, this is good, it's good to tolerate everything, it's good to so I'm trying to I'm trying to seek the good.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_02: This is what the good looks like.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_02: But they've been lied to about what that good is, and the only way they're finding that out, as you say, is they are pursuing that apparent good, finding that it's coming up short, it's they're still empty, they're um fat pigs or over-indulged pigs.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_01: All right, come on now.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just thinking back to cake.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry, no, no, I'm thinking back to your cake, your cake, you know, you what I mean is you overeat, you over-indulge, you over-sex, you over-everything, thinking I've been told this is the way, you know, many hate yourself.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: And then you hate yourself, and you think I'm just a fat slob who's just having a load of dirty old sex.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I'm no good for nothing, so I'll go back to being a fat slob, and it becomes this cycle, like I'm not worth anything.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm not worth anything, I will pursue these empty pleasures because that's all I'm good for.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: And that cycle has to be interrupted.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: And God's always trying to interrupt.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes that's where suffering, I think, can be so valuable, is because when you it's sometimes only when you fall on your knees, you know, you're you're you've hit the bottom, you know, rung of the ladder, and you then have nowhere to go, and God can pick you up again.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's the proverbial um boy in the pigmuck um who goes away with his inheritance from his father's house, and and then of course his father runs to him, he's like, Yeah, you're home, let's fatten the calf and celebrate.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: And he's thinking, oh, but I'm just a loser who's just lost, spent everything and been horrible.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_02: And his dad's like, Yeah, but you're home.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's the main thing.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: He came home.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_02: So, and that's the message.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_02: You can always come home.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: That no matter how much of a fat slob, no matter how much of a fat cake eating slob you are, no matter how much porn you watch, no matter what you've done, you can go home.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Catherine explains scripture.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: You can always go home.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: Your dad's waiting for you, and he loves you.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_02: He loves you so much.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta go though.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: Get home.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's it.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: And and I suppose like people get trapped in that place where they think, Oh, I'm so bad, I can't go home.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: I can't run to my father's arms.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the message of scripture is that you always can.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can always go to you know, go to confession, go to mass.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus is there waiting for you.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, well, that's half an hour, but we've got we've got so much other stuff to talk about.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: I know you've got to go.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so speak as much or as little as you want on the French riots.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, L'UREAD Français.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the French do what they do best.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: We chatted to um Father Robert McTeague, who we both love.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: And like it's funny, we both came off of that interview going, Oh, he's brilliant, he's so clever, and he's so witty and funny as well.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so, and we spoke to him a little bit about it, didn't we?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: Because he made some really interesting and important points.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh what really struck me about that conversation was how clearly he sees the fact that we've stopped speaking into the culture, which is one of the things that we we're always, you know, talking about, me and you, is that, and you know, to to go back to a constant theme throughout our all of our work together, um, it's the fact that the bishops, we need bishops.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think he even said it at one point, until the bishops stand up, you know, it's no good saying um that we can do it on our own, or like until the people who are in a position to lead and teach us start doing that, start taking responsibility for that, and standing up and talking into the culture, um, then we're left on the internet saying, Well, how do we deal with this?
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: How do we deal with this?
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: And what you're seeing in France, you know, Father McTeague and I agree, is pointing out is you're seeing years and years and years of of the cumulative effects of us not doing that, of us not preaching the gospel, of us not bringing the life-changing truth of our faith to the culture, and just saying, oh, well, you know, let's play nice with secularism, let's play nice with Islam, let's play nice with these poisonous ideologies that um really at their root are about are, you know, anti-life, they're anti-Christian.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I've just been reading Benedict again for some research I was doing, and he speaks so well about this false peace, you know, this this pursuit of nice and this dictatorship of relativism, and this this idea that if we all just go along to get along and not disturb the peace, it's not real peace, it's actually degrading to the human.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_02: It's it it denies the dignity, it denies what's good if we compromise too much.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: So he's great, Father McTague.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_02: He's he has this phrase, doesn't he?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_02: The the the people who should know better club.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: I like all his little innuendos and phrases that that avoid his little euphemisms.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm gonna move on and ask you about I've got a list here of things you sent.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: If my eyes are up to it, you don't have to do all of them, no.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_02: Just let's let's let's make this a quick um what do they call it?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_02: A kind of a run through.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: A fire.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, what is it?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_02: Fire through.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_02: What word am I thinking of?
• 38:59
  unknown: I don't know.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, a run through, a quick fire, quick fire, got there.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: Look, very slowly.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um Cardinal Kuvacad.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me about Cardinal Kuvacad, great name, right?
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a guy, this guy is unbelievably said that um that the CC meeting in 1998 was um is magisterial, right uh as now part of the magisterium, which is just complete nonsense.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: And my point really about this is that what we're seeing is people who are who have been put into these positions of authority, you know, the where they've got a great deal of um dignity in and they don't seem to recognise how responsible, you know, that the the weight of responsibility that's on their shoulders, and they seem to lack Christian humility.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so they're prepared to speak out.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: It seems to me that this is a case of sacrificing your integrity on the altar of your ambition.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's what this guy seems to be doing here.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: He's so desperate to get on that he's saying something he thinks will ring, you know, it'll ring along with the massively bloated uh Francis Bergoglio uh cardinal that we've got in place at the moment because Pope Francis spent, you know, though all those years promoting cardinals, 19 cardinals in his first uh 12 months.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, interestingly, Leo hasn't done any of that.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: He hasn't put any cardinals in in his first 12 months.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we're still waiting for him to appoint cardinals.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got this guy who's in there, and it, you know, why is he saying this stuff?
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: Is he you know, he's either an idiot or he's trying to curry favour with the the people that he sees as being in power?
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm afraid these are the people that we've got to speak out against, and it's not my opinion.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's I mean, that is a matter of fact that what he said there is an error, and you know, why is he saying it?
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Someone should give him a slap on the wrist.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think anyone's listening to him?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if they are, I think they're probably doing that behind his back, you know, or rolling their eyes into the back of their heads, probably.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Greg, your your favourite, one of your old favourites, Mark Grett at the Irish Synodal Assembly.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: So, so he has uh posted this address to the Irish Synodal Um Assembly, um, which is a big bloated mess that's not really done very much, you know, and is not going to really achieve anything, but it has spent a lot of the church's money, a lot of our money.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and actually, I was pleasantly surprised, Catherine, if I'm honest.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: There wasn't anything horrendously awful in it.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lot of talk about mission and empowering the church for mission.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_00: So he was uh trying to encourage the Irish Church to uh rediscover that missionary impetus that it had for so many years.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's all extremely valuable.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: There was one section in it, and I put this on X where I'd clicked out the section where he talks about um sort of the law of gradualism, and John Paul II had this brilliant way of explaining the fact that there isn't a gradualness of the law, but so this is about us being drawn into the gospel, and you know, we like we always talk about Jesus drawing us into, you know, when Jesus goes out and meets the sinners, he brings them back.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: He does something, he doesn't just go right there, go, you're all right where you are, mate.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Don't worry about it, and you know, then goes back off to his buddies, the apostles.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he he's trying to draw you in and call you to repentance.
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_00: And there's this there's this attitude now that we see very much in the Morris Letitsia, you know, like in the famous footnote, chapter eight, and all this sort of thing, that you know, oh, we need to, and this is what it's addressing, it's talking about young people, um, and this is in Greck's speech, he's talking about young people basically having a different perception of family life and suggesting that even when they're in a situation that isn't um in that isn't a regular situation in as far as the church is concerned, so what he's talking about is sex outside marriage, living together, and stuff like that, um, that that you know, like there is a there's grace working there somewhere, and I just feel like this is completely the wrong approach because as soon as you start saying that uh oh well the rules don't really matter, and so that is the gradualness of the law that was condemned up until this point, and this is the guy in charge of the synod on synodality, who's in charge of the Vatican synod, whatever it is, it's not a dicastri, it's uh something else, secretariat, I think.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, like what is he doing?
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't seem to it's not like the cardinals of old, you know, it's not like when a cardinal used to get up there, it's the same as this Kulkovab guy, really.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, have you done any theology, mate?
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like, or are you just making it up off the top of your head?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you were consecrated a bishop, you were consecrated a bishop to teach the apostolic faith that has been handed to you, and you have a duty to hand on to the faithful, to feed, you know, the sheep, not to make up your own version of it, not to come up with some new stuff.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: And if it was if I was Cardinal Grec, oh, he's done a lovely job sliding in there and getting the red hat, you know, behind Archbishop Shaklun's back.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: How did he do that?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_00: Because he wrote the Maltese guidelines and was immediately given a red hat because he did what Pope Francis wanted him to do, which was to, you know, back him up on this very dubious point that theologians all over the world had written to the Vatican and said, hang on a minute, this looks a lot like heresy to us, boys.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I this is the thing.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's like I can look at that speech and say, okay, it's not a disaster, but like there are these little hidden things in there that really are worrying, as we, you know, and I think it net we need to call it out.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Where's you know, we could we just why are we pretending this is okay?
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, when it's not, folks, it's not okay.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I'm gonna leave it there, Mark.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: I think we've covered quite quite a lot of good ground.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: 25 minutes, yeah.
• 45:28
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• 45:31
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• 45:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um don't forget our poke cast.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: We're just starting out, we're finding our feet a little bit, we're doing the history of the popes, um, all 267 of them, right up to Leo the 14th.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_02: And we're gonna find our rhythm.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, so stick with us.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's very early days, we've really just begun.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, so if you haven't caught that, that will be on our channel, our usual YouTube channel.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: But of course, everywhere else, it will be on our new website, reginaunscripted.org, and also on Spotify, somewhere else, I think, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts, it will be there too in audio version.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: So if you prefer to listen to us and not look at us, that's fine.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_02: You can do that if you want.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: No, I do.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's made easier for you by being on the podcast.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: So we're getting there, we're getting there.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it was really great to sit down and chat with you today, Mark.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like we don't do that often enough.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: So hopefully we'll be back soon.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: There's always more news to discuss.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: But until then, uh thanks.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks to you, and thanks to all of you for watching.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_02: God bless.