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SEAN 'DIDDY' COMBS 'PONDERING' SUING NETFLIX OVER 'Reckoning' SERIES, PRISON RELEASE DATE MOVED UP · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why won't he go away?
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Speaker 2: Now we learn Sean Diddy Combs pondering suing Netflix over
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Speaker 2: their Reckoning series. Reckoning is the name of it, and
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Speaker 2: we learn his prison release date has been moved up
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Speaker 2: insult to injury. That's right, Sean Diddy Comb's argument with
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Speaker 2: Netflix and fifty Cent over the documentary titled Sean Combs
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Speaker 2: The Reckoning seemingly is set to wind up in court.
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Speaker 1: This is what we've learned.
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Speaker 2: Combs and his quote team are pondering their legal options
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Speaker 2: over the Netflix docuseries.
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Speaker 1: End quote, stolen footage quote?
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Speaker 2: Okay, doesn't he have bigger problems sitting behind bars at
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Speaker 2: a low security for Dixon, Jersey. The Comebs escaped the
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Speaker 2: most serious charges filed against him, including rico and sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: He was found guilty on two.
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Speaker 2: Less accounts of transportation to engage in prostitution. He's still
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Speaker 2: facing literally dozens and dozens of civil lawsuits across the
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Speaker 2: country and a brand new sex battery case opened last
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Speaker 2: month by the LA County Sheriffs. This, as we learned,
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Speaker 2: with time served considered, the Federal Bureau of Prisons has
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Speaker 2: moved his release date from June four, twenty twenty eight
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Speaker 2: to May eighth, twenty twenty eight. Wow, let's jog our
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Speaker 2: memory as to what happened at trial and straight out
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Speaker 2: to Lauren Colin standing by at the courthouse. Lauren, what
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Speaker 2: happened today?
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Speaker 1: Today?
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Speaker 3: In court we heard from the government cell phone expert,
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Speaker 3: the expert who did the extractions on Cassie Ventura's cell phone.
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Speaker 3: He talked about extracting a significant amount of deleted data
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Speaker 3: and why certain things would appear on the screen in
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Speaker 3: evidence as we're seeing it. So, for example, a deleted
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Speaker 3: text thread might not have certain users' names, so we've
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Speaker 3: seen blanks, we've seen duplicate names, and he explained all
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Speaker 3: of this away. After that, we heard testimony from Jane Doe,
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Speaker 3: who is victim three now. Jane Doe described meeting Sean
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Speaker 3: Colmes early twenty twenty and she met him through a
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Speaker 3: friend while they were on a girl's trip, and she
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Speaker 3: testified that this friend was once in a relationship with Diddy,
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Speaker 3: so she kind of kept her distance. They exchanged numbers
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Speaker 3: and from there they began a relationship after her friend
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Speaker 3: moved on, and she actually talked about the fact that
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Speaker 3: she was in a relationship with Sean Colmes from twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty all the way up until his arrest. Now, Jane
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Speaker 3: Doe testified that the relationship truly started off as a
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Speaker 3: fairy tale. He took her away to Turks and Caicos
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Speaker 3: and then the Bahamas, but he also offered her ten
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars after this trip. He said, you know, I
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Speaker 3: know that you haven't been able to work while you're
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Speaker 3: on this trip, so here's some money. She talked about
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Speaker 3: being a content creator, so that was her main form
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Speaker 3: of income.
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Speaker 1: She's also a single mother.
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Speaker 3: And from there, the government kind of started to ask, well,
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Speaker 3: which cities did he take you too? Did he pay
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Speaker 3: you money often, to which she testified, you know, he
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Speaker 3: paid me money frequently. He ended up paying her rent
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Speaker 3: at some point, and eventually, about three or four months
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Speaker 3: into their relationship, that's when he brought up being with
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Speaker 3: another man. And he said this was a fantasy, and
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Speaker 3: she said, okay, she didn't think that he was actually serious. Well,
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Speaker 3: it turns out he was serious. She went to the bathroom,
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Speaker 3: and this was after they had already been engaging in
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Speaker 3: sexual activity for twelve to fifteen hours prior he goes
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Speaker 3: in he calls someone he knows named Don and arranges
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Speaker 3: Don for that very night, and then she describes going
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Speaker 3: to a hotel room that night in Miami, corroborated the oil,
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Speaker 3: the assistant setting it up, and then said she engaged
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Speaker 3: in this act with Down while Diddy watched again what
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Speaker 3: we've heard before, and then after that she said it
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Speaker 3: was pretty much a door that was opened that she
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Speaker 3: couldn't close. She testified telling him and writing numerous times
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Speaker 3: that she didn't want to be with other men. She
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Speaker 3: wanted to be with him, but because he was paying
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Speaker 3: her rent, she felt obligated. She said her only form
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Speaker 3: of income because she always had to be constantly ready
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Speaker 3: for Ditty, was Ditty's money that he was sending to
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Speaker 3: her and the child support she was getting.
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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, could you tell me how the jury was reacting?
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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 3: The defense was actually admonished today when the judge warned
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Speaker 3: them that Ditty was actually looking at the jury and
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Speaker 3: kind of nodding his head during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination
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Speaker 3: of Brianna Bongalin. Apparently he had gotten this morning before,
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Speaker 3: and the judge told the defense, if he does this again,
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Speaker 3: he will be removed from the courtroom.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now a special guest, longtime friend and colleague
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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter. Rob was Shawn Combs is PR guru for years.
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Speaker 2: He no longer works for him, Thank goodness, or I'd
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Speaker 2: be grilling you even worse.
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, host of.
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Speaker 2: Naughty but Nice podcast That's at robshooter dot substat dot com.
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Speaker 2: Author of the foreword answer, Rob, I want to talk
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Speaker 2: about what Mia has been saying on the stand all
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Speaker 2: day and for several days, the fact that she lived
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Speaker 2: in fear. You know, I believe it was you that
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Speaker 2: first told me that Shawn Combs ordered somebody to go
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Speaker 2: get him a cheesecake at three o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 2: and they did it. They found a place that was open,
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Speaker 2: they got the cheesecake and brought it back to Sean Combs.
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Speaker 2: It seems as if he was very imperious with his employees.
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Speaker 2: To the fact that Mia describes PTSD, that's what she's describing.
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Speaker 2: I've seen it in a lot of crime victims. Describe
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Speaker 2: what you witnessed.
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Speaker 4: My time working with Ditty was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never
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Speaker 4: had a job, I've never experienced anything like that again,
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Speaker 4: and I've gone to work with stars even bigger than him.
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Speaker 4: It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, it was
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Speaker 4: it was a life. He took over your life. He
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Speaker 4: demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
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Speaker 4: He could be really bullying. He could also be very charming,
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Speaker 4: and so I understand everything that MIA's saying. It's heartbreaking
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Speaker 4: and it's an experience that very very few, thankfully we'll
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Speaker 4: ever know.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I want to get back to these demands, because
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Speaker 2: if he could make a grown person get out of
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Speaker 2: bed at three am and traverse Manhattan to get him
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Speaker 2: a slice of cheesecake, and it had to be the
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Speaker 2: best cheesecake, it couldn't be any crap that could get
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Speaker 2: down at the Dagstino's right, what could he make someone
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Speaker 2: like Mia do, who was already meek and mild and traumatized.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I want to hear what it was like.
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Speaker 2: You say it was a way of life.
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Speaker 1: It was your life. Why it was our lives?
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Speaker 4: Because we were young. He had picked people to work
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Speaker 4: with him that he could control. There was nobody on
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Speaker 4: his staff, including me, that was terribly experienced. It was
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Speaker 4: all about him. He carefully groomed us all. He carefully
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Speaker 4: selected us all, and if anybody came into his world
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Speaker 4: who said no, who was too experienced to move better,
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Speaker 4: they didn't last. He was the ringmaster and we played
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Speaker 4: along in his.
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Speaker 1: Circus rob Shooter.
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Speaker 2: You stated that Sean says a very carefully choreographed personal image,
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Speaker 2: and you told a story about making the press move
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Speaker 2: at a private airport.
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Speaker 1: I guess it was Teeterborough. So as they all.
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Speaker 2: Filmed Sean Combs pulling up, yet at first you didn't
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Speaker 2: see the private plane, and he was so angry. He
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Speaker 2: actually single handedly made all the press move where they
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Speaker 2: were standing so he could re enter Teeterborough.
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Speaker 1: So when he got out of.
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Speaker 2: His suv you could see the private plane behind him.
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Speaker 4: Describe Yeah, absolutely true. I was on the tarmac. The
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Speaker 4: press was lined up waiting for him, everybody from national
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Speaker 4: shows to local press. And he drove up in his
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Speaker 4: car and he realized they were shooting this ugly airport
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Speaker 4: terminal behind him, and he wanted a shot of this
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Speaker 4: very very expensive private plane. So what he did is
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Speaker 4: he left, he restaged his entrance. We spun the press
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Speaker 4: around and we had to go down that line, Nancy,
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Speaker 4: and make sure every member of the press who were
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Speaker 4: videoing deleted their original footage. So we did not leave
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Speaker 4: this to chance. It was something that he had thought of.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have thought about this, but he told me
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Speaker 4: make sure they've all deleted the footage. I don't want.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to give them the choice of deciding
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Speaker 4: which footage to use. They'll use the one that I
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Speaker 4: give them.
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Speaker 2: So he got an entire fleet of the media to
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Speaker 2: change their positions and delete video.
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Speaker 1: I'm making a point. Listen to this, Shooter.
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Speaker 5: Brian Steele shows me a birthday shout out from Comb's
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Speaker 5: caption beside every great man is a great woman. PS.
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Speaker 5: Sorry I was acting crazy last night. Mia says Combs
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Speaker 5: had threatened her life on a phone call the night before,
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Speaker 5: and she took this as his apology. Steele asks if
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Speaker 5: she reposted the message despite the seriousness of the threat
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Speaker 5: and mere response of reading off her profusely thankful caption,
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Speaker 5: Thanks puff love you. You've shown me the world.
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Speaker 2: So you're hearing Rob Shooter the posts that Mia is
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Speaker 2: making about a birthday wish, and then she gets cross
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Speaker 2: examined about wishing Seawn Holmes's happy birthday on a post.
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Speaker 2: Now I have seen rape victims go along to get along,
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Speaker 2: whether he was in your employer forcing sex on you, husband, partner,
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Speaker 2: I'm judge, and you don't want to make waves in
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Speaker 2: the courthouse, so you put up with it and you
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Speaker 2: just keep going.
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Speaker 1: But he's really tearing.
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Speaker 2: Her up on the stand. About this shooter, what do
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Speaker 2: you make of it?
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Speaker 1: You know him?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this is directed by Diddy. I think
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Speaker 4: Puff is running this entire trial. He's telling his lawyers
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Speaker 4: what to do, which might be a mistake, but his
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Speaker 4: ego is very, very big in news flashy and unsaid.
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Speaker 4: It is possible to think love a monster. A person
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Speaker 4: can be a terrible person and you can still have
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Speaker 4: feelings towards them, And I think that's a mistake here
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Speaker 4: that did he is making. I think people know the difference.
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Speaker 4: And just because I post something a birthday message, something
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Speaker 4: kind towards you, does it mean you can't also be
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Speaker 4: a terrible human being?
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter.
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Speaker 2: Are you surprised that Sean Combs has been able to
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Speaker 2: keep so many alleged victims quiet for so long?
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Speaker 1: We've seen multiple civil lawsuits occur.
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Speaker 2: After Cassie Ventura came out, and we are asking the
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Speaker 2: wrong questions. We're saying, why are you suing him for money?
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Speaker 2: You're in it just for the money, Cassie Venturra or Mia,
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Speaker 2: instead of asking the question, why is Sean Combe's paying
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Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars to keep these victims quiet?
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Speaker 2: Why do you think so many victims have gone unheard
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Speaker 2: until now? Maybe because of what we see happening to
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Speaker 2: me on the stand?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think there's going to be that. We've seen.
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Speaker 4: There's a long history of this money, power, fame are
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Speaker 4: all really intoxicating. If you can't bully them with your fame,
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Speaker 4: then you throw money at the problems. And I think
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Speaker 4: we have to be honest here. The tape of Cassie
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Speaker 4: changed everything. Wouldce that videotape existed, Nancy, We saw what
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Speaker 4: happened when somebody tried to leave. We saw Cassie running
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Speaker 4: down a hallway, She's trying to get away from him,
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Speaker 4: and look what happened to her. That's why people didn't leave.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't just the money, wasn't just the fame, wasn't
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Speaker 4: just the power, Nancy, it was the violence.
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Speaker 2: Johnny right Now entertainment, legal fear commentator, host podcast The
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Speaker 2: armand Wiggans show. Arman, We're going to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. Was your takeaway from to Friday in
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Speaker 2: the courtroom?
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Speaker 6: Thanks for asking Nancy. So for me, the biggest takeaway,
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Speaker 6: honestly is just the fact that he didn't love that
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Speaker 6: girl like she loved him. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 6: I think that she was looking for a relationship. She
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Speaker 6: was looking for a boyfriend, she was looking for a husband,
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Speaker 6: she was looking for a lover. She keep it, she
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Speaker 6: kept reiterating that she was doing things for her lover.
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Speaker 6: She was doing things for her partner. She was doing
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Speaker 6: things for her man. She would bathe him after they
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Speaker 6: would have these hotel nights, she would cook for him,
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Speaker 6: after they do these hotel nights. She would put on
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Speaker 6: his favorite TV shows after she would do this hotel nights,
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Speaker 6: and she would do majority of all the work in
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Speaker 6: these hotel nights, and at the end of the night
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Speaker 6: she would finally get to have some alone time with Diddy.
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Speaker 6: I think that at the end of the day, she
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Speaker 6: wanted a relationship. She wanted a husband. He didn't want that.
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Speaker 6: He wanted a freak off partner. He wanted a sex lad,
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Speaker 6: and he wanted to get his freaky fetishes off with
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Speaker 6: her through other men.
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Speaker 2: Arman, I'm curious, what do you think was the strongest
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Speaker 2: evidence for the state this past week in the case
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Speaker 2: against strong comes.
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Speaker 6: Right now as of the break, the strongest evidence so
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Speaker 6: far for me was a video audio recording. So there
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Speaker 6: actually was a video, but they played the audio of
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Speaker 6: where there was a hookup night at a at the
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Speaker 6: Hotel Nights where Diddy, Jane Doe, and one of the
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Speaker 6: male escorts was there, and Jane Doe was wanting to
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Speaker 6: put on a condom and Diddy was saying, no, you've
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Speaker 6: already been taking that, d why do you want a
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Speaker 6: condom now? So, I think that was the first time
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Speaker 6: we actually got to hear some actual hotel night freak
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Speaker 6: off information. And so to hear her asking for condoms
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Speaker 6: and Diddy not wanting her to actually use the condom
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Speaker 6: was very powerful because it goes to the fact that hey,
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Speaker 6: he didn't want me to use these condoms, and I
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Speaker 6: didn't use the condoms because I just wanted to make
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Speaker 6: my partner happy. And you could hear Diddy in the
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Speaker 6: back saying, just let's get to it, let's keep it moving.
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Speaker 2: Shawn Comes aka Diddy allegedly paid off an employee to
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Speaker 2: the tune of one hundred thousand dollars to get that
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Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look at the Cassie
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Speaker 2: Ventura beat down video. Now, it was speculated upon so
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Speaker 2: much in the press. Where did the video come from?
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Speaker 2: Did it come from the raid on Diddy's mansion?
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Speaker 1: Did he have it there? Where did it come from?
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Speaker 2: Wow, you wonder why he paid one hundred thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: Did he think it would never come to light? Busted
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Speaker 2: in court sworn testimony that Shawn Comes paid one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars to get his mits on this video. And
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Speaker 2: this video was like pulling the tiger by the tail.
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Speaker 2: You can't hold on and you can't let go. Because
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Speaker 2: once the Feds saw this, they had to do something.
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Speaker 2: The statute of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction,
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Speaker 2: so it was up to the Feds and what were
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Speaker 2: they gonna do? Stand there with their thumb up their
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Speaker 2: ear end? No, they had to act air go. Therefore
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Speaker 2: the multi count federal indictment. What was Sean Conmes's reaction
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Speaker 2: typically when he doesn't get his way, Because in court,
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Speaker 2: when he was watching Brian Steel, who's a very very
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Speaker 2: good trial lawyer. It's a great defense attorney, right, I've
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Speaker 2: watched him in action.
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Speaker 1: So Stele started off.
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Speaker 2: With Mia with the Andy and Mayberry approach, trying to
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Speaker 2: get the answers, but yet being genial to her.
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Speaker 1: He didn't want to beat up on me.
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Speaker 2: And you could see Sean's going uh ohhh, moving around
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Speaker 2: and twisting around and holding his face and all that.
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Speaker 2: I mean the jury could see him. And then suddenly
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Speaker 2: Brian still has a change of heart. I mean, you
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Speaker 2: can imagine if did he is driving, is steering that ship,
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Speaker 2: then he gets really mean to MEA still does so
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Speaker 2: did he not getting what he wants? Can you imagine
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Speaker 2: how angry he was when he finds out that was
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Speaker 2: AE hundred thousand dollars right down the crapper there was
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Speaker 2: another copy.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell
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Speaker 4: you a little bit of a secret here about Puffy,
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Speaker 4: But somebody with all the money that he has is
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Speaker 4: incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he
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Speaker 4: didn't have to pay for. He wanted to get free clothes,
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Speaker 4: free dinners, free tickets if he went out to club's restaurants.
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Speaker 4: He just didn't want to pay for stuff, and so
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Speaker 4: for him to have to reach into his own pocket
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Speaker 4: and pay one hundred thousand dollars, which I think that
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Speaker 4: tape is incredibly cheap. That tape is going to change
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Speaker 4: his life, and so it was worth tens of millions
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Speaker 4: of dollars for him to get it for one hundred
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Speaker 4: thousand dollars cheap. And then to find out he didn't
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Speaker 4: get it all there was another copy. He will have exploded.
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Speaker 2: I'm just imagining when Sean comes finds out there's another
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Speaker 2: video floating around. Robert Crispin joining me. Private investigator was
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Speaker 2: with former federal Task Force officer for the US Department
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Speaker 2: of Justice in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting
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Speaker 2: around twiddling. There comes former homicide Crimes against Children investigator.
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Speaker 2: He is now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't
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Speaker 2: you just hate it when you blackmail somebody to the
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Speaker 2: team of one hundred grand and there's another video floating
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Speaker 2: around retrow?
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Speaker 7: I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you
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Speaker 7: really think that no one else was going to have
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Speaker 7: a video of ditting kicking the hell out of somebody,
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Speaker 7: especially Cassie Ventura. Come on, So here's the beauty of
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Speaker 7: all this with the government, this cast to guard letter stuff,
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Speaker 7: this King for a day, Queen for a day. They
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Speaker 7: need people to give testimony in lure being indicted, to
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Speaker 7: say what happened?
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Speaker 2: Standing by his investigative reporter Lauren Conlins, he's been in
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Speaker 2: the courtroom all day long.
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Speaker 1: Start off pop Crime TV.
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Speaker 2: What a bomb, a state bomb for the defense drut
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Speaker 2: Right in the middle of that clutch of lawyers one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars Ditty Bucks paid off for bribery. Bribery which,
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Speaker 2: as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at. You have
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Speaker 2: to have an underlying felony or predicate at. To Rico,
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Speaker 2: tell me how that went over in the courtroom.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy, we started off by getting a really big
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Speaker 3: interruption by a woman that works for the MTA. The
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Speaker 3: entire courtroom turned around. This is before Eddie Garcia, the witness,
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Speaker 3: walked in. But that was quite a moment. She was
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Speaker 3: screaming at the press, saying that the press is awful
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Speaker 3: and the press is laughing at Ditty and you should
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Speaker 3: have seen Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom.
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Speaker 5: We were all in shock.
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Speaker 3: But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was
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Speaker 3: incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified
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Speaker 3: that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant,
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Speaker 3: before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Colmes himself.
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Speaker 3: Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look,
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Speaker 3: I already told your assistant here, but I don't have
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Speaker 3: any clearance to obtain this video that you want me
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Speaker 3: to obtain. I cannot go in this room.
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Speaker 8: Only my boss can do that.
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Speaker 3: And he described did he kind of just buttering him up, saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, I know you can do it, Eddie. I
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Speaker 3: believe in you type of thing. And he also described
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Speaker 3: Diddy as being very nervous seeming on the phone saying, look,
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Speaker 3: this could destroy my reputation if it gets out. Now
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Speaker 3: he said, okay, you know, I'll talk to my boss,
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Speaker 3: et cetera. And this was actually after receiving a call
21:19
Speaker 3: from Ditty and Christina on his cell phone. They started
21:22
Speaker 3: off by calling him at the general security desk. They
21:25
Speaker 3: somehow got his cell phone, which he said did make
21:27
Speaker 3: him a little bit nervous, and he said that you know,
21:30
Speaker 3: he talked to his boss and he said, look, this
21:33
Speaker 3: is what's going on. They want this video, and his
21:35
Speaker 3: boss said, okay, tell him fifty thousand dollars they make
21:39
Speaker 3: this meeting happen where Diddy tells him a meeting place.
21:42
Speaker 3: He goes and gets this black USB from his boss
21:46
Speaker 3: at the Intercontinental, and he goes and he meets with Ditty,
21:50
Speaker 3: and he describes being taken up to this room by
21:53
Speaker 3: one of Ditty's security guards. He meets with Christina Korum
21:56
Speaker 3: and then eventually Diddy, and he says that after some
21:59
Speaker 3: back and forth, did he requested the IDs of Eddie
22:03
Speaker 3: Garcia and his boss and another gentleman. And one of
22:07
Speaker 3: the first testimonies we heard, I think it actually was
22:09
Speaker 3: the first one was Israel Flores, who also was on
22:13
Speaker 3: duty that day. But Eddie Garcia said, I don't think
22:16
Speaker 3: that Israel Flores is going to go for this. So
22:18
Speaker 3: they got the idea of somebody else and they texted
22:22
Speaker 3: these to him. He went in another room, came back,
22:25
Speaker 3: got an NDA. Eddie Garcia had to sign this this NDA,
22:29
Speaker 3: and then eventually did. He came back with a brown
22:31
Speaker 3: bag of money and a money counter, and he did
22:35
Speaker 3: not get fifty thousand dollars. He got one hundred thousand.
22:38
Speaker 2: Dollars Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Sean did he. Comb's facing dozens and dozens of.
22:53
Speaker 2: Civil lawsuits and brand new sex assault charges, is now
22:57
Speaker 2: considering a lawsuit of his own, threatening to sue Netflix
23:02
Speaker 2: and fifty cent There's no telling what evidence will come
23:07
Speaker 2: out at a civil trial, even though he would be
23:10
Speaker 2: the plaintiff. He could be put on the stand to testify. Oh,
23:14
Speaker 2: please go ahead, sue Netflix. They've got a deep pocket.
23:18
Speaker 2: They can fight back, and they will put you right
23:21
Speaker 2: on the stand, Shawn Combs, and I can't wait to
23:23
Speaker 2: see it. Shawn Combs accusing the Netflix CEO of quote
23:28
Speaker 2: corporate retribution after being allegedly rebuffed by Combs on a
23:34
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three documentary project. Right, okay, so this is
23:40
Speaker 2: a get back. Okay, good luck with that, Shawn Combs.
23:44
Speaker 2: But you know what, that's what I said before the
23:46
Speaker 2: jury trial.
23:47
Speaker 1: Boy was I wrong.
23:49
Speaker 2: I don't know what the jury was thinking, but they
23:53
Speaker 2: let him off on the most serious charges. While Shawn
23:58
Speaker 2: Combs is pondering their words not mine a lawsuit against
24:02
Speaker 2: Netflix and fifty cents. We also learned Combs has taken
24:07
Speaker 2: his sixty one point five million dollar La Freakoff mansion
24:12
Speaker 2: off the market.
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Speaker 1: Nobody's buying that thing, and I think I.
24:17
Speaker 2: Know why, Lauren Colin of other In addition to all
24:22
Speaker 2: the weapons, I mean a lot of weapons, what can
24:27
Speaker 2: you tell me about women's shoes with seven inch platform heels?
24:35
Speaker 3: And it was pretty wild to see a special agent
24:37
Speaker 3: hold up seven inch heels in court that just happened
24:41
Speaker 3: to be patent leather and red. We saw Balenciaga boots
24:44
Speaker 3: that had three different cell phones in them, and then
24:48
Speaker 3: we saw a fourth cell phone in a separate room.
24:50
Speaker 1: We saw a Gucci.
24:51
Speaker 3: Bag that was filled with a rolled up one hundred
24:55
Speaker 3: dollars bill. Different types of pills, yellow, orange, different powders.
25:02
Speaker 3: We saw eye drops and later these drugs were tested
25:05
Speaker 3: and they were confirmed to be hope ketamine an MDMA
25:10
Speaker 3: actually in an eye dropper. And there were actually three
25:13
Speaker 3: orange tablets they found with Tesla symbols on them. And oh,
25:18
Speaker 3: we also saw xanax drugs were tested for xanax. There
25:22
Speaker 3: also was a wooden box in the bathroom they found
25:25
Speaker 3: and on top of that wooden box was a gold
25:28
Speaker 3: inscription that said puffy, there were mushroom pilled in that,
25:31
Speaker 3: and then a bag of crystal rocks that turns out
25:34
Speaker 3: was MDMA.
25:35
Speaker 2: No Sidney Sumner. That reminds me of one of the
25:38
Speaker 2: first times we heard about a male escort. We heard
25:42
Speaker 2: that one male sex worker showed up, knocks at the door.
25:46
Speaker 2: Cassie comes to the door wearing scantily clad and lingerie
25:52
Speaker 2: and these heels. I guarantee you it's not Diddy walking
25:57
Speaker 2: around in eight inch platform heels. He has the women
26:02
Speaker 2: dress up in various outfits and we see all those
26:05
Speaker 2: heels and is Miami Mansions, Sydney.
26:07
Speaker 8: And we heard a similar story from both of the
26:09
Speaker 8: male escorts that have testified that they believed they were
26:13
Speaker 8: coming for some kind of bachelorette party. And then this
26:16
Speaker 8: woman opens the door. She's by herself except for her
26:20
Speaker 8: purported husband in the corner of the room, and she's disguised.
26:25
Speaker 8: She's wearing some kind of lingerie, a matching wig, some
26:29
Speaker 8: kind of heels, and it just doesn't it doesn't make
26:33
Speaker 8: sense the defensive theory that they're saying that this is
26:37
Speaker 8: all just private sex matter. For Sean Diddy Combs, there
26:42
Speaker 8: is no reason to own half of the Spencer store
26:46
Speaker 8: and just keep that in your home. If that's purely
26:49
Speaker 8: for personal use where there's not more than one person involved,
26:54
Speaker 8: you're not having opious amounts of freak off parties. It
26:59
Speaker 8: just does it crack.
27:01
Speaker 2: We've heard about a Louis Vuitton bag, a huge Louis
27:06
Speaker 2: stuffed full of horse trnk, ecstasy, cocaine, pink cocaine, plan be,
27:16
Speaker 2: birth control pills, and of course high powered viagra.
27:21
Speaker 1: Did he needs his viagra?
27:24
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna have to go to our shrink in
27:27
Speaker 2: a moment about mushroom pills, crystal rocks that are md
27:32
Speaker 2: M A and what effect that has?
27:34
Speaker 1: You know, I'll ask him right now.
27:35
Speaker 2: Joining me Scott Johnson, forensic psychologist, thirty three years addressing
27:41
Speaker 2: sex predators Forensic Consultation dot org.
27:45
Speaker 1: It's where you can find.
27:46
Speaker 2: Him, author of Physical Abusers and Sex Offenders.
27:51
Speaker 1: When I Love You Turns Violent that's another book. Scott Johnson,
27:54
Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What is m d
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Speaker 1: M A and what effect does it have on a?
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Speaker 2: All?
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Speaker 9: Right, So you have the ecstasy basically by the street name,
28:04
Speaker 9: and you have people that become delusional. It's difficult to
28:08
Speaker 9: say no. At higher levels, it may cause a euphoric
28:13
Speaker 9: statement where people are kind of out of touch with reality,
28:17
Speaker 9: sort of delusional. But it's very difficult to say no
28:22
Speaker 9: or to resist when you're under the influence of these medications.
28:26
Speaker 2: Ecstasy Molly is a stimulant with psychedelic properties.
28:30
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
28:31
Speaker 2: And if you drop it in one of these ladies' drinks,
28:33
Speaker 2: there's no telling what I think it's going.
28:35
Speaker 1: To have on her.
28:36
Speaker 2: Lauren Collin very quickly, Laurena, I want to ask you
28:39
Speaker 2: about what happened when we got to Diddy's bathroom of
28:45
Speaker 2: his mansion that was rated the bathrooms.
28:47
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we got to a bathroom where we
28:49
Speaker 3: saw two containers and in one container there was twenty
28:53
Speaker 3: five bottles of baby oil and thirty one bottles of astroglide.
28:57
Speaker 3: And I actually spotted two rubber ducky a little bit confusing,
29:02
Speaker 3: and when they asked a special agent, well, they're more
29:05
Speaker 3: baby oil that you found, he said yes, and there
29:08
Speaker 3: was because we saw a mini create of baby oil
29:11
Speaker 3: during his direct testimony the day before now, right around
29:14
Speaker 3: when he was testifying, did he's sons Justin and Christian
29:18
Speaker 3: walked in and did he turned around. He didn't smile,
29:20
Speaker 3: but he nodded his head at them.
29:22
Speaker 2: Is he guilty of all the counts or any of
29:25
Speaker 2: the counts in this federal indictment? So far, according to
29:30
Speaker 2: my legal analysis, the charges of sex trafficking have been
29:35
Speaker 2: shown by not only Cassie Ventura, but another female witness
29:38
Speaker 2: as well. Transportation of male sex workers across state lines
29:43
Speaker 2: to engage in prostitution. Yes, now, racketeering is going to
29:47
Speaker 2: have to be explained to the jury. Racketeering just think
29:51
Speaker 2: about Tony Soprano. It is a loose confederation of people
29:56
Speaker 2: that engage altogether to achieve a criminal in this criminal conspiracy.
30:03
Speaker 2: The act would be sex trafficking, bringing people in from
30:07
Speaker 2: various states to perform prostitution or and to force women
30:12
Speaker 2: to engage in freakoffs against their wills.
30:15
Speaker 1: Bam easy.
30:17
Speaker 2: My question is what woman in her right mind would
30:22
Speaker 2: consent to have sex with not just a male escort,
30:28
Speaker 2: A lot.
30:28
Speaker 1: Of people do that, but a convicted killer slash male escort.
30:35
Speaker 10: Listen, at least two of the male escorts Cassie identified
30:38
Speaker 10: it worf It on the Showtime reality series Jiggilows.
30:42
Speaker 11: One is also a convicted murderer. Akshaya Kubiak, who uses
30:47
Speaker 11: the name ash armand beat her Lean Delight to death.
30:50
Speaker 11: Kubiak claimed he blacked out after taking mushrooms with Duly,
30:54
Speaker 11: one of Kubiak's clients, and when he woke up the
30:57
Speaker 11: next morning, she was brutally beaten to death.
31:00
Speaker 2: I'm gonna found it in pain, could have live in pain.
31:03
Speaker 7: We took much of them together last night in order
31:05
Speaker 7: to struggle slive concerts or breeding.
31:09
Speaker 8: We have the mal d dane right now. Officers and
31:12
Speaker 8: medical personnel arrived on scene and that female was pronounced deceased.
31:16
Speaker 12: This was one of the worst meetings of a person
31:18
Speaker 12: of a human that I've seen.
31:19
Speaker 13: The whole situation is what horror movies are made of.
31:24
Speaker 2: On the morning of a murder, they didn't call nine
31:26
Speaker 2: one one first, They actually called another jiggle laugh that
31:31
Speaker 2: from Paramounts Sin City Jigglow. They find the dead body
31:37
Speaker 2: and they don't call nine one one, They actually call
31:40
Speaker 2: another jigglow.
31:42
Speaker 1: Okay, you know.
31:43
Speaker 2: To Rachel Fisher joining Us a special guest Joining Us.
31:47
Speaker 2: Rachel is an anti trafficking expert featured in the twenty
31:51
Speaker 2: two documentary Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is a forensic nurse,
31:56
Speaker 2: a sex assault nurse, examiner, an expert witness, and she's
32:00
Speaker 2: that legal r inc consult dot org.
32:03
Speaker 1: Rachel, thank you for being with us. It's one thing to.
32:07
Speaker 2: Talk about Diddy dressed up and a Muslim female burka
32:12
Speaker 2: from the neck up.
32:13
Speaker 1: It's another thing to.
32:15
Speaker 2: Talk about this male escorts moniker is the punisher. But
32:21
Speaker 2: it's another thing to force a woman that would be
32:25
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura into sex with not just a Jiglow, but
32:29
Speaker 2: a convicted killer Jiglow.
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Speaker 14: So that's the danger of forcing somebody to be involved
32:36
Speaker 14: in a commercial sex act. Whether you're the recipient or
32:38
Speaker 14: you're the one performing it and getting paid for it,
32:41
Speaker 14: that's still a commercial sex act that she was being
32:44
Speaker 14: coerce and forced into. And you never know who's on
32:46
Speaker 14: the other end of the call when you click that
32:48
Speaker 14: ad online to order an escort, because you can get
32:51
Speaker 14: one faster than you can get a pizza in most places,
32:53
Speaker 14: and whoever shows up, you don't know their background. It's
32:56
Speaker 14: a very dangerous career to be in the sex industry,
33:00
Speaker 14: and many of the people that are there are not
33:02
Speaker 14: there willingly, and some are, but you never know what
33:05
Speaker 14: their story is. On the other side and what they're
33:07
Speaker 14: going to come with. That's why we have so many
33:09
Speaker 14: that are murdered when they're in the sex industry, or
33:12
Speaker 14: you get an in call, when an escort comes to
33:14
Speaker 14: you and you get murdered or robbed, and it's a
33:17
Speaker 14: very dangerous thing that you're forcing somebody to be a
33:19
Speaker 14: part of. There are multiple people involved, and so all
33:22
Speaker 14: of those people become part of that scheme.
33:25
Speaker 2: I wonder what ed BD Diddy is feeling and thinking
33:29
Speaker 2: right now in a courtroom as a Homeland Security special
33:33
Speaker 2: agent describes everything that was found in his mansion that
33:39
Speaker 2: was rated, crates of baby oil as to glide.
33:44
Speaker 1: That's not against the law.
33:45
Speaker 2: What I care about are the federal counts in that
33:49
Speaker 2: federal indictment.
33:51
Speaker 5: Former assistant David James testifies that Combs was occasionally violent
33:54
Speaker 5: with private chef Jordan Atkinson. According to James, after an
33:59
Speaker 5: altercation at his Pine, New Jersey home, Combs instructed him
34:02
Speaker 5: to file a police report, stating Atkinson was the aggressor
34:06
Speaker 5: and hit him first. James, who witnessed the altercation, says
34:09
Speaker 5: he simply drove around Alpine for roughly an hour before
34:13
Speaker 5: returning and telling Combs it was filed. James says he
34:16
Speaker 5: didn't want to comply with Combs's request because he did
34:19
Speaker 5: not want to file a false report.
34:21
Speaker 2: Sidney Summer joining me, investigative reporter, Crime Stories. Sidney explained
34:25
Speaker 2: to me, Am I getting this correct. The former assistant
34:28
Speaker 2: David James described an incident where Sean Combs allegedly attacked
34:34
Speaker 2: a female chef, but then wanted James to go file
34:38
Speaker 2: a police report, stating it was the other way around,
34:42
Speaker 2: but James didn't do it.
34:44
Speaker 8: That's absolutely correct. James said that Combs and this chef
34:50
Speaker 8: got into an altercation in Colmbs immediately after it ended,
34:55
Speaker 8: came to James and asked him, look, let's go to
34:58
Speaker 8: the cops. Let's file a police report, but make sure
35:00
Speaker 8: it says that she attacked She hit me first, she
35:04
Speaker 8: was the aggressor. And James kind of did his Okay, yeah,
35:08
Speaker 8: I'll do that, and he got into a car and
35:12
Speaker 8: just drove around for about an hour before returning home
35:16
Speaker 8: and saying, yep, filed it. It's in there. They'll contact
35:19
Speaker 8: me if they need anything else from us. And the
35:22
Speaker 8: whole time he never spoke to a police officer about
35:25
Speaker 8: it because he didn't want to you know.
35:27
Speaker 1: What is probed of about this Sydney.
35:30
Speaker 2: This right here here we have Rob Shooter, Seawan Colmbs
35:36
Speaker 2: beating the Steve out of Cassie venture. She's holding up
35:40
Speaker 2: her little left hand to find him off, and they're
35:44
Speaker 2: going to argue, according to gia Ghos, And of course
35:46
Speaker 2: this could change, just like the defense in Scott Peterson
35:50
Speaker 2: changed from a satanic cult took Lacey to burglars took Lacey.
35:55
Speaker 1: I mean it changed over time.
35:57
Speaker 2: So at one point gia Ghost let it slip that
36:01
Speaker 2: the argument to defeat this video is that Cassie ninety
36:05
Speaker 2: pound Cassie is the aggressor here. She's the one giving
36:09
Speaker 2: him the booty beating over text from another woman. Okay,
36:14
Speaker 2: she's the aggressor. Same thing with the chef, see what
36:17
Speaker 2: I'm saying. The connection, So apparently that's his modus operandi,
36:21
Speaker 2: method of operation. He attacks the woman according to evidence,
36:25
Speaker 2: then says she's the aggressor. Did he ever take responsibility
36:29
Speaker 2: for anything?
36:30
Speaker 4: Rob Shooter, He took responsibility when everything went well. When
36:35
Speaker 4: things were going good, it was because of him. When
36:37
Speaker 4: things were not going well, it was because of everybody else.
36:41
Speaker 4: But this video here, Nancy, this is the case. To me,
36:44
Speaker 4: this video changes everything, and there's some irony that a
36:48
Speaker 4: man who has spent his whole life putting out images,
36:51
Speaker 4: videos to make him into the star he is is ultimately,
36:55
Speaker 4: I believe, going to be brought down because of this video.
37:00
Speaker 4: That is something that is going to be in the
37:02
Speaker 4: jury's mind. And the excuses are just excuses.
37:06
Speaker 2: You just stated that Cove spent an entire lifetime curating
37:10
Speaker 2: an image through video and photos like what image?
37:16
Speaker 4: Let me give you examples of this. There were images
37:18
Speaker 4: to make him look powerful, images to make him look important,
37:21
Speaker 4: images to make him look literally like a king. I
37:25
Speaker 4: got Diddy was People magazine Sexiest Men Alive issue. He
37:31
Speaker 4: wanted the cover. He did not get that, but he
37:33
Speaker 4: was in the issue and he shot it as if
37:36
Speaker 4: he was a king. He asked at the photoshoot if
37:39
Speaker 4: he could have a crown on his head, if he
37:41
Speaker 4: could have a coat, a fur coat. And he knew
37:45
Speaker 4: the power of images. I remember distinctly he once said
37:48
Speaker 4: to me, Rob, the story doesn't matter. The headline and
37:53
Speaker 4: the photograph is all anybody remembers. He knew the power
37:59
Speaker 4: of media, he knew the power of video, and he
38:02
Speaker 4: exploited it, and now it's going to bite him in
38:05
Speaker 4: the button.
38:05
Speaker 2: Straight out to Sidney Sumner, Crime Story's investigative reporter, who
38:08
Speaker 2: has been on the case from the beginning and has
38:11
Speaker 2: been analyzing Cassie Ventiro's testimony, Sidney, the high points of
38:16
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventira's testimony, explain Nancay.
38:19
Speaker 8: I think the high point of Cassy's testimony is that
38:23
Speaker 8: Dinny was in control of many aspects of her life.
38:27
Speaker 8: So she meets Combes at just nineteen years old. Their
38:31
Speaker 8: relationship begins when she's just about twenty one, and she
38:35
Speaker 8: talks about not even wanting to kiss Sean Combs. So
38:39
Speaker 8: the first time that they shared a kiss, they weren't
38:42
Speaker 8: a couple at this point. The first time he showed
38:44
Speaker 8: romantic interest in her was at her twenty first birthday
38:48
Speaker 8: party in Las Vegas, and Cafy admits that the kids
38:52
Speaker 8: left her feeling extremely confused. She ran from her party
38:55
Speaker 8: in tears, not sure what to do with that as
38:58
Speaker 8: a new artist in the end industry. So their relationship
39:02
Speaker 8: starting on that point and going from there, cong just
39:06
Speaker 8: continued to take more and more control of her life
39:09
Speaker 8: and he was always there, like she didn't pick up
39:12
Speaker 8: the phone, He would call her over and over until
39:15
Speaker 8: she did, or he would send security guards to come
39:19
Speaker 8: find her. So, on top of the freak offs, which
39:22
Speaker 8: seems to be just a segment of their relationship, he
39:26
Speaker 8: co werced her into anything. In everything, she didn't feel
39:30
Speaker 8: like she had an ability to say no to Comb's,
39:34
Speaker 8: especially with the violence. In the threats of releasing these videos,
39:39
Speaker 8: Ventura talks about keeping broken iPhones and broken laptops and
39:44
Speaker 8: things of that nature because she was so worried about
39:47
Speaker 8: what was on them if anyone was to get their
39:50
Speaker 8: hands on them.
39:52
Speaker 2: Speaking of a laptop incident earlier on, we heard from
39:57
Speaker 2: witness Philip Listen.
39:59
Speaker 15: Philip described one evening where Ventura was at the computer
40:02
Speaker 15: during a break in sex. Colms yelled for his girlfriend
40:05
Speaker 15: to come to him, and when she did not, Colmbs
40:08
Speaker 15: through a bottle of liquoric Cassie that shattered against the
40:11
Speaker 15: wall after missing her head by inches, Philip says Colmbs
40:15
Speaker 15: then dragged Ventura to another room and he overheard what
40:19
Speaker 15: sounded like a smack, then Combs saying, when I tell
40:22
Speaker 15: you to come here, you come here now, not later.
40:25
Speaker 15: Moments later, the couple re emerged and Combs demanded they
40:29
Speaker 15: resume joining us.
40:31
Speaker 1: Is Rob Shooter, publicist for Seawn Combs.
40:34
Speaker 2: Rob thank you for being with us, also star of
40:37
Speaker 2: Naughty but Nice podcast and author of the foreword answer.
40:42
Speaker 2: You have a particular insight into another relationship, if it
40:46
Speaker 2: could be called that of Combs, which preceded Cassie Ventura
40:51
Speaker 2: and is basically a blueprint. Second verse same as the first,
40:55
Speaker 2: and that would be Kim Porter, the mother of his
40:59
Speaker 2: children now dead. Rob Shooter describe come was his relationship
41:06
Speaker 2: with miss Porter.
41:09
Speaker 4: Puff's relationship with Kim was very much the same relationship
41:14
Speaker 4: he had with Cassie. In fact, some people called Cassie
41:18
Speaker 4: Kim two point over. They had seen this method, they
41:23
Speaker 4: had seen this relationship, they had seen this brooming, and
41:27
Speaker 4: so Kim was shy with what she was told. Was
41:31
Speaker 4: very much on his arm. He didn't like her to
41:33
Speaker 4: talk very much. He picked the clothes that he would wear,
41:36
Speaker 4: He would decide the events that she would go to.
41:40
Speaker 4: Cassie seems to be doing that too, or have done
41:43
Speaker 4: that too. The difference, though, is that Kim didn't want
41:47
Speaker 4: to be a recording artist. Cassie really did. She wanted
41:51
Speaker 4: to bake it brig in show business. She wanted to
41:55
Speaker 4: record songs, and so my heart breaks for her because
41:59
Speaker 4: she was not only in debt to Diddy in her
42:03
Speaker 4: personal life, but also her professional life, which must be impossible,
42:09
Speaker 4: almost impossible for her to get away from.
42:11
Speaker 2: Special guest joining me Brett Brown, Executive director, ass Surviving Assault,
42:17
Speaker 2: Standing Strong. You know it's the same old thing, it's
42:21
Speaker 2: not a new story. And to try to explain why
42:26
Speaker 2: women stay, I mean, when a woman's faced with losing
42:29
Speaker 2: her home, losing her career, maybe losing her children, being
42:35
Speaker 2: blackballed in the industry.
42:38
Speaker 1: What would you do? What would you not do to
42:41
Speaker 1: ensure those things don't happen? What about it? Brett?
42:45
Speaker 16: Well, I think it's everything that you just said. The
42:48
Speaker 16: part that we're kind of missing is.
42:49
Speaker 4: The beginning in the end.
42:51
Speaker 16: You know, these women they want to be seen and
42:54
Speaker 16: they want to be respected, and they want to achieve,
42:56
Speaker 16: and those desires get used against them in this power
42:59
Speaker 16: in battle. And so whether we're talking about Harvey Weinstein
43:02
Speaker 16: or we're talking about Shawn Combs, the recipe is still
43:05
Speaker 16: the same. And once they're on the hook with these
43:08
Speaker 16: powerful men, then become you enters. The threats and the
43:13
Speaker 16: violence and the force, and so fear and financial insecurity
43:17
Speaker 16: and so many other things start to play in and
43:20
Speaker 16: so it's not a matter if I keep going so
43:22
Speaker 16: I can get something. These women have to stay in
43:24
Speaker 16: this situation in order to stay alive. And it's interesting
43:28
Speaker 16: to me because Shawn Combs, like any abuser, has spent
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Speaker 16: an enormous amount of time on his reputation and on
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Speaker 16: his look to make sure that he seems like the
43:37
Speaker 16: fun guy next door. And here is this predator sitting
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Speaker 16: in a courtroom with a Bible, And I just wanted
43:42
Speaker 16: to say that even Satan quoted scripture in the Bible,
43:46
Speaker 16: and at the end of the day, he was still
43:48
Speaker 16: the devil.
43:49
Speaker 2: Lauren Colin an investigative reporter and start a pop Crime TV.
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Speaker 1: Lauren, thank you for being with us. What happened in courty.
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Speaker 3: You saw Kid Cutty testify and it was fairly quick.
44:00
Speaker 3: It took a portion of the morning, and during opening statements,
44:04
Speaker 3: the prosecutors gave us a little bit of a taste
44:07
Speaker 3: about this break in that involved Ditty, an assistant and
44:11
Speaker 3: one of his associates. Well, when Kid Cutty aka Scott
44:14
Speaker 3: Mescadi took the stand, it turns out that Ditty was
44:19
Speaker 3: the one that broke into his house, kidnapped one of
44:21
Speaker 3: his employees. Capricorn Clark with an associate went over there
44:26
Speaker 3: looking for Cassie.
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Speaker 14: And this was.
44:29
Speaker 3: After Sean Holmes found out about this relationship that was
44:32
Speaker 3: going on between hit Cutty and Cassie. And look, kid
44:36
Speaker 3: Cutty said he was a little confused. Cassie had told
44:39
Speaker 3: him that she and Sean Colmes were broken up. You know,
44:43
Speaker 3: they were on again, off again. So when he got
44:45
Speaker 3: this call from Cassie where she was very very upset
44:49
Speaker 3: and alarmed. This was in twenty eleven, he went to
44:52
Speaker 3: pick her up. He took her to a hotel and
44:56
Speaker 3: it turns out she gave Sean Colmes kid Cutty's address.
45:01
Speaker 3: This came out that was a little confusing. So kid
45:04
Speaker 3: Cutty finds out that Sean Colmes is at his house
45:07
Speaker 3: because Capricorn Clark, the assistant, calls him and Cassie from
45:13
Speaker 3: the driveway in the car, very scared and says, look,
45:17
Speaker 3: Colmes is in the house. Now kid Cutty gets very upset.
45:20
Speaker 3: He says he's going over there. So he drives over
45:23
Speaker 3: there and he says that he calls Sean Colmes and
45:26
Speaker 3: he says, hey, mother, effer, why are you in my house?
45:30
Speaker 3: And Ditty says something like I just want to talk now.
45:33
Speaker 3: When he gets to the house, Ditty's no longer there.
45:36
Speaker 3: He notices that, you know, nothing is broken, nothing is
45:40
Speaker 3: out of place, but he did have some Christmas presents
45:42
Speaker 3: for his family in chanel boxes. Those were unwrapped on
45:46
Speaker 3: the kitchen table, and his dog was locked in a bathroom.
45:49
Speaker 3: He also noted that the surveillance cameras outside his house
45:53
Speaker 3: appeared to be pointed down. Now, after this, you know,
45:57
Speaker 3: he leaves. He sees that he's got text messages from Colms,
46:02
Speaker 3: and he thinks to himself, Okay, I don't really know
46:04
Speaker 3: if I want to get involved here because who knows
46:06
Speaker 3: if he has weapons whatever. So he actually calls the
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Speaker 3: police and files a police report. Now we've discussed this.
46:13
Speaker 3: It's December of twenty eleven.
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Speaker 8: Kid Cutty and.
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Speaker 3: Cassie go to Cassie's family home in Connecticut for the holidays.
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Speaker 3: Sean Colmes still is texting Kid Cutty, you know, trying
46:25
Speaker 3: to talk to him, trying to you know, get a
46:27
Speaker 3: meeting with him, and Cutty ignores him, and then Cassie
46:30
Speaker 3: ends up breaking up with him on his trip. He
46:32
Speaker 3: returns back to la and a month later, it's January
46:36
Speaker 3: twenty twelve. He is about forty five minutes away from
46:39
Speaker 3: his house, Kid Cutty and his dog. Babysitter calls him
46:44
Speaker 3: and says, your car is on fire in the driveway.
46:47
Speaker 3: A Molotov cocktail has somehow been thrown in the car.
46:51
Speaker 3: We then see pictures of the car.
46:53
Speaker 14: The roof is.
46:54
Speaker 3: Broken in or sunken in with a hole in it.
46:57
Speaker 3: The inside is all charred. He calls the police, files
47:00
Speaker 3: the police report, and then a few days later he says, Okay,
47:05
Speaker 3: you know that's it. I'm contacting Combs or we're gonna
47:08
Speaker 3: work this out. So they have a meeting at the
47:10
Speaker 3: La Soho house. He describes h. D Rock, the security
47:15
Speaker 3: guard that we've heard about multiple times, ushering him into
47:18
Speaker 3: this room, and this got a lot of laughed Nancy.
47:21
Speaker 3: He described Colmbs as facing this big window in the
47:25
Speaker 3: room with his back towards him, his hands behind his back,
47:29
Speaker 3: and he actually said he looked like a Marvel super villain.
47:34
Speaker 3: So he said also that Diddy's demeanor was so calm
47:38
Speaker 3: that it was almost bizarre. He offered him water twice.
47:42
Speaker 3: You know and and they seemed to work it out.
47:44
Speaker 3: And then at the end of the conversation and Cassie
47:47
Speaker 3: joined later by the way, and at the end of
47:49
Speaker 3: the conversation, Cutty says, they shook hands and while their
47:52
Speaker 3: hands were clasped, he said, well, what about my car,
47:56
Speaker 3: and and Diddy basically was like, I don't know anything
47:59
Speaker 3: about your car, and they let their hands go, and
48:03
Speaker 3: then you know, they kind of walked out and that
48:05
Speaker 3: was that. And he said he hadn't seen him until
48:07
Speaker 3: a few years later. He saw him again at the
48:10
Speaker 3: Soho house and this time Diddya's was with his two daughters,
48:14
Speaker 3: and he apologized to Kit Cutty and said, look, I'm
48:17
Speaker 3: sorry for everything that's that happened, anything that went on
48:21
Speaker 3: between us, but Nancy. When Brian Steele got up to
48:24
Speaker 3: do the cross examination, he pointed out a couple of things,
48:28
Speaker 3: as that's his job. But he pointed out that during
48:32
Speaker 3: the break in kid Cutty's door, there's no damage to it.
48:35
Speaker 3: The door was wide open and anybody could have walked in.
48:39
Speaker 3: He also pointed out that there were DNA or fingerprints
48:43
Speaker 3: pulled from the investigation into the car blow up, and
48:49
Speaker 3: those that DNA was actually it belonged to a female.
48:53
Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something.
48:55
Speaker 2: So one month later, after the whole CASTI venturer really
49:00
Speaker 2: relationship blows up, one month later, Kid Cuddy's car is
49:05
Speaker 2: bombed with a molotov. So isn't it true that Shawn
49:11
Speaker 2: Colmbs had discussed blowing up his car?
49:15
Speaker 3: Yes, Cassie, this is through Cassie. She said that this
49:19
Speaker 3: was discussed and he was going to do it when
49:21
Speaker 3: one of Kid Cutty's friends were present.
49:24
Speaker 2: So Shawn Combs's fingerprints and DNA were not on the
49:28
Speaker 2: car that was blown up with a molotov?
49:31
Speaker 1: One month after? Did he threatened to blow it up? Okay? Sorry,
49:35
Speaker 1: not impressed?
49:36
Speaker 2: I mean, do you really think Shawn Combs did He
49:39
Speaker 2: was going to run down to the sip go or
49:41
Speaker 2: the Valero, would pump his own gas into a container
49:46
Speaker 2: and make his own molotov. I mean, he didn't even
49:48
Speaker 2: clean up his own disgusting hotel rooms that were covered
49:52
Speaker 2: with a baby oil slick.
49:54
Speaker 1: He made somebody else do it.
49:55
Speaker 2: So of course his DNA isn't there. Why is it important?
49:59
Speaker 2: Because that that is what a criminal enterprise is. Now
50:02
Speaker 2: we see former assistant George Kaplan on the stand now
50:08
Speaker 2: talk about an unindicted co conspirator That would be him.
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Speaker 10: Listen assistant George Caplan says he was sent to pick
50:17
Speaker 10: up drugs for his famous boss.
50:20
Speaker 11: Caplin says Sean Combs gave him cash and a phone.
50:23
Speaker 1: Number to call crime stories with Nancy Grace.
50:36
Speaker 2: While pondering lawsuits and taking his mansion off the market.
50:41
Speaker 1: Shawn comes sitting behind.
50:42
Speaker 2: Bars this as he appears to have called a halt
50:47
Speaker 2: to his month's long quest to find a buyer for
50:50
Speaker 2: that California home. It was the subject of Homeland Security
50:54
Speaker 2: raid agents storm of the property looking for evidence in
50:58
Speaker 2: a sex trafficking violation. Speaking of the fifty cent documentary,
51:05
Speaker 2: now we learn Shawn Combe's sons, Justin and Christian are
51:10
Speaker 2: set to start in a docuseries about their father's trial
51:14
Speaker 2: and conviction ch' ching. They plan to relive their dad's
51:19
Speaker 2: high profile trial in a new documentary series. It's Justin
51:23
Speaker 2: Comb's age thirty one, Christian King Comb's age twenty seven.
51:27
Speaker 2: They have already appeared in a new trailer, and the
51:30
Speaker 2: end of that trailer, Justin Combs's phone vibrates. He picks
51:34
Speaker 2: up a collect call from Fort Dix, c I where
51:39
Speaker 2: his dad behind bars? Wonder what the bidding is for
51:44
Speaker 2: the Shawn Comb's documentary now being made by his sons,
51:49
Speaker 2: and I wonder if and how they will tackle damning
51:55
Speaker 2: evidence against their dad.
51:57
Speaker 1: Shawn comes evidence like this.
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Speaker 10: Assistant George Kaplan says he was sent to pick up
52:03
Speaker 10: drugs for his famous boss. Kaplan says Shawn Combs gave
52:06
Speaker 10: him cash in a phone number to.
52:08
Speaker 2: Call so Shawn Combs could talk a grown man into
52:13
Speaker 2: going and buying his drugs for him.
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Speaker 1: No, wonder this went down in the courtroom?
52:19
Speaker 5: Listen did He's former assistant, George Kaplan takes the stand.
52:23
Speaker 5: Kaplan tells the judge he is only here because of
52:25
Speaker 5: a subpoena and he plans to invoke his Fifth Amendment right.
52:28
Speaker 5: Judge SUPERMANI and grants Kaplin immunity. The deal does not
52:31
Speaker 5: cover perjury.
52:32
Speaker 2: You see a little snippet of all the drugs seized
52:37
Speaker 2: at Shawn Combe's mansion. Now we know that Frank Black
52:44
Speaker 2: was a name a pseudonym used to check Sean Comb's
52:49
Speaker 2: in and out of hotel rooms. Also used to get
52:53
Speaker 2: fake prescriptions, which is illegal. You think that Shawn comes
52:59
Speaker 2: rolled up in his SUV to the CBS or the
53:03
Speaker 2: Dwayne Reid or the Walgreens and got his own stuff.
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Speaker 1: No, uh uh, there had to be a minion.
53:11
Speaker 2: Troye Slayton Shawn Holmes convinced Kaplan to perform crimes for
53:18
Speaker 2: him buying drugs get illegal drugs.
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Speaker 1: Such as MDMA.
53:23
Speaker 2: Also convinced him to get prescription drugs under a fake name.
53:29
Speaker 2: We're Slaton, also a crime. So now he is talking
53:36
Speaker 2: his minion into buying his astroglide, lubricant, his baby oil,
53:44
Speaker 2: his candles, his liquor, all of that and importantly critically
53:50
Speaker 2: using the company credit card.
53:52
Speaker 1: Chroice Slaton.
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Speaker 12: Well buy an astro glide, although it may sound gross
53:58
Speaker 12: in this situations, not even buying drugs, yes, illegal, but
54:03
Speaker 12: that doesn't make a Rico case. The government still has
54:06
Speaker 12: to prove that the purchasing the drugs was to advance
54:12
Speaker 12: the criminal enterprise, was to advance his business interest, his
54:17
Speaker 12: legitimate business interests he had.
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Speaker 2: You think Diddy took all those drugs himself, No, that
54:23
Speaker 2: was being dropped in the woman's drinks. I mean you
54:25
Speaker 2: need to go back to law school, man and take
54:28
Speaker 2: a refresher course on rico. Rico is anything any Act
54:33
Speaker 2: that advances a crime, and the crimes have to be
54:37
Speaker 2: laid out in the indictment, which they are.
54:38
Speaker 1: I've already read them to you. I'll read them again.
54:41
Speaker 1: Sex trapping, for labor, kidnapping, arson stressing.
54:47
Speaker 12: Those are all terrible things, But that doesn't make rico.
54:50
Speaker 2: You have to prove that Diddy was using all those
54:54
Speaker 2: drugs for he'd be dead if he took them all.
54:57
Speaker 2: He was feeding them to these women in their what
55:00
Speaker 2: do you think the astro glide, the baby oils for
55:03
Speaker 2: for a free off according to these women against their will,
55:06
Speaker 2: and bringing in mill sex workers from another state that
55:09
Speaker 2: is against the law.
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Speaker 12: Recoferent, that would be that sex trafficking. So we're we're
55:15
Speaker 12: mixing up two different things there. Nancy, you know that
55:18
Speaker 12: those are sement.
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Speaker 2: Yes, you're the one that said astrogeline had nothing to
55:23
Speaker 2: do with it.
55:24
Speaker 1: It has everything to do with it, just like the
55:26
Speaker 1: baby oil.
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Speaker 12: Just because somebody is having a rock star is having
55:32
Speaker 12: a drug fueled party, doesn't mean that they're guilty of rico.
55:36
Speaker 2: To doctor Bethany Marshall, that video of the literally a
55:40
Speaker 2: Dixie dumpster going down the hallway of the hotel, Doctor
55:44
Speaker 2: Bethany how do you convince grown men and women to
55:49
Speaker 2: do your illegal bidding and clean up your bodily fluids,
55:55
Speaker 2: your spinancy, your baby oil, your astro glide, and they
55:59
Speaker 2: do it.
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Speaker 13: All of it, Nancy. Probably what he did is he
56:03
Speaker 13: started out being super charming with them, pretending to be
56:06
Speaker 13: their friend, buying them gifts, pretending to advance their interests
56:10
Speaker 13: in some way, and once he gained their trust, he
56:13
Speaker 13: would send them out on some criminal act. Once they
56:16
Speaker 13: committed the criminal act, now they were stuck and could
56:20
Speaker 13: not get away.
56:21
Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Cydney Summer, That sworn testimony is that
56:26
Speaker 2: Shawn Colmes tried to bribe a security guy.
56:29
Speaker 8: That's correct, Nancy. He tried to hand this security guard
56:33
Speaker 8: a stack of money as big as his hand to
56:38
Speaker 8: leave them alone and to just drop the whole situation
56:41
Speaker 8: and not get Cassie Ventura out of that Intercontinental Hotel room.
56:45
Speaker 2: So Tom Smith, a former NYPD star of Goalshields podcast,
56:49
Speaker 2: Tom Smith, I guess it's just a.
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Speaker 1: Diddy world and we all live in in it.
56:54
Speaker 2: Because all these people are so afraid or have their
56:57
Speaker 2: careers at stake, they go along with it.
56:59
Speaker 1: It will be a cold.
57:00
Speaker 2: Day in hgubl that I would go clean up somebody
57:03
Speaker 2: else's bodily fluids unless my children threw up, It's.
57:06
Speaker 1: Not gonna happen. But all these people just went along
57:10
Speaker 1: to get along, yep.
57:11
Speaker 17: And its influence and it's his power that controlled them.
57:15
Speaker 17: What can he do for them in the future, How
57:18
Speaker 17: can he propel their their jobs, their careers, anything like that.
57:23
Speaker 17: That all is involved in this power trip that he
57:26
Speaker 17: was on. And like you know, Nancy, once you get
57:28
Speaker 17: away with it a little bit, you keep pushing the
57:31
Speaker 17: envelope to the next level, to the next level.
57:34
Speaker 2: Right now, Shawn Combs in a federal courthouse being charged
57:37
Speaker 2: and being tried for a multi count federal indictment. And
57:40
Speaker 2: what Rico means, which is the major prize for the state,
57:44
Speaker 2: is that Shawn Combs headed up a criminal enterprise involving
57:49
Speaker 2: many many crimes, including arson, blowing up Kid Cuddy's cock,
57:55
Speaker 2: while lawsuits fly, release dates moving closer and closer, and
58:01
Speaker 2: documentaries in the words, we.
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Speaker 1: Wait as just as un folks.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing up goodbye friend,