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Dad dead after evil sniper targeting innocent campers? Infant found at trash site with umbilical cord still attached · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one third. You too. How many times have
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  Speaker 1: I taken the children camping or on hikes or nature walks?
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly what a young dad was doing with
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  Speaker 1: his two daughters, ages two and four, taking them on
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  Speaker 1: a camping trip so his wife, a doctor, could study
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  Speaker 1: for exams. So Dad goes off with some daddy and
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  Speaker 1: me time with the two two year old and the
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  Speaker 1: four year old little girl, and he doesn't make it
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  Speaker 1: out alive, gunned down dead in his tent on the
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  Speaker 1: camping trip as his two little girls look on. We
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  Speaker 1: want justice. I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. Dad of two, Tristan Bodette
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  Speaker 1: shot dead at a campsite Malibu Creek State Park, shot
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  Speaker 1: in his tent in front of his two little girls.
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  Speaker 1: He dies at the scene. The natural loving dad, also
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  Speaker 1: an esteemed scientist, straight out to Crime online dot Com
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter Chuck Roberts. Chuck, tell me what happened. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with that. Nancy Kristen Bodetta, thirty five year old
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  Speaker 1: research chemist, as you said, went out with his two
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  Speaker 1: young daughters Thursday evening from their home and Irvine to
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  Speaker 1: a park called Malibu Creek State Parks about thirty miles away.
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  Speaker 1: Sixty three campsites there. It was full at the time
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  Speaker 1: and shots were running out around four thirty am on
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  Speaker 1: Friday morning. They didn't even make it one night uh
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  Speaker 1: nine when one calls came in and pull heast found
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  Speaker 1: him bleeding from a gunshot wound in the upper torso
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  Speaker 1: inside his tent with his little two year old and
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  Speaker 1: four year old present, and he died at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: Who called nine one one? Apparently other campers who heard gunfire.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Bodet, married to his high school sweetheart. Uh, full
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  Speaker 1: time partner in every sense of the word, to his wife,
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  Speaker 1: to his children, to his job. Go ahead, Chuck roberts Well.
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  Speaker 1: Police think he was shot inside the tent as the
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  Speaker 1: young daughters were present, but witnesses think the shots came
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  Speaker 1: from a distance, so there's some discrepancy there. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: the the there's absolutely no motive, there's no suspect, there's
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  Speaker 1: no description to follow. Police have no real leads at
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  Speaker 1: least leaves that they're disclosing. Uh. The only thing we
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  Speaker 1: know about him is that he was changing jobs, moving
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  Speaker 1: from the l A Area to the Bay Area with
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  Speaker 1: his wife. He worked for a He was a researcher
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  Speaker 1: for a company called Allergan, manufacturer of anti autism drugs,
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  Speaker 1: and he was not as in anti vaccination advocates. Alternative
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  Speaker 1: media is alive with speculation that that might have been
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  Speaker 1: part of the motive, but there's been really no connection
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  Speaker 1: at all. I mean really, Jason Ocean's criminal defense attorney,
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  Speaker 1: You remember when I was getting the twins vaccinated. I
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  Speaker 1: was so freaked out about it. And they're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: get vaccines and bundles, and you and I talked and
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  Speaker 1: talked and talked about it, about what you did with
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  Speaker 1: your boy and girl, and I would refuse to get
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  Speaker 1: the bundles and we would be going back like every
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  Speaker 1: X amount of days to get the next vaccine because
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  Speaker 1: typically they'll do like your MMR measles, monster bella bam.
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  Speaker 1: Oh No, not me. I was on the edge. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know what to believe, what was right, what was wrong.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of controversy swirling around that. But do
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  Speaker 1: I believe somebody gunned down a father of two in
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  Speaker 1: front of his children on a camping trip when the
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  Speaker 1: whole vaccine brew ha ha is to protect children. So
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  Speaker 1: one of these people love children so much, then when
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  Speaker 1: a gun down a dad of two in front of
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  Speaker 1: their children, this has nothing to do with the vaccine controversy. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: since I've established that, what do you think, Jason? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I think the fact that there was another shooting just
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  Speaker 1: the other day in the park is significant. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is someone there randomly doing it or is it
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  Speaker 1: just a random intentional by that shooting into tense. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: that distance is isolated and and certainly the ballistics will
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  Speaker 1: will give us a better idea of the distance that
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  Speaker 1: it traveled and where it was from. But you know
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  Speaker 1: that MMR and that all those shots, that's that's seemingly
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  Speaker 1: a red herring into this, just totally a red herring.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about what we know, and Jason
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  Speaker 1: Ocean's brought something up very significant Karen Smith. Following the
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  Speaker 1: shooting death, the murder of Tristan the debt, there's been
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  Speaker 1: another shooting in the same part. What's happening, Karen, How
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  Speaker 1: do you piece this together to make some sense of it?
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  Speaker 1: And what can we glean regarding forensics? There's a lot
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  Speaker 1: we can glean from forensics. And and actually a red
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  Speaker 1: flag went up when I just heard that some of
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  Speaker 1: the witnesses said that the shots sounded like they came
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  Speaker 1: from a distance. My my first instinct was to go, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: apparently there were two holes in the in the tent,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, the brother said he wasn't sure if
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  Speaker 1: they were bullet holes. Well, if they were, my first
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  Speaker 1: instinct was to say, well, was there any gunpowder residue
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  Speaker 1: on the tent? Material or was it from a distance
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  Speaker 1: further than three feet away? And I went to shoe
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  Speaker 1: prints at the scene if that was a possibility. You know,
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  Speaker 1: if we're dealing with a semi automatic gun, you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: have casings left at the scene, and that will give
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  Speaker 1: you an idea of some shoe prints that were left
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  Speaker 1: at the scene. If it was a revolver, you're not
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  Speaker 1: gonna have case things, but you'll have projectiles left at
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  Speaker 1: the scene. Then when I heard that witnesses said it
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  Speaker 1: was a distance, I went straight to rifle. And that
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  Speaker 1: is really frightening. If you have somebody that's positioned a
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  Speaker 1: distance away and they're targeting random tents or random people
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  Speaker 1: with a rifle, we're dealing with a whole different situation here, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: That is somebody this this apparently could be their hunting ground,
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  Speaker 1: and that is terrifying to me. So it's gonna be ballistics.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be comparisons between ballistics on this shooting and
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  Speaker 1: previous shootings to see if they can link these pieces together.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what investigators have to say. Four
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  Speaker 1: four in the morning, the sheriff received a nine one
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  Speaker 1: one called and responded and found a male victim of
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  Speaker 1: a gun shot. Actually out of abundance of caution. We're
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  Speaker 1: closing the campground out of abundance of caution for public safety.
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  Speaker 1: We care about our visitors and their safety is the
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  Speaker 1: most important thing. Karen Smith, forensics expert, brings up a
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  Speaker 1: very disturbing possibility, and I agree with her. To Dr
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Bober joining US forensic psychiatrists, Shares have confirmed that
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  Speaker 1: there were three other shooting incidents in the same area,
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  Speaker 1: one just four days before Boudette was shot, two more
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  Speaker 1: and now the one occurring immediately after Boudette was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: now Nancy, and that number has now been updated. Police
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  Speaker 1: tell us there have been seven shootings in and around
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  Speaker 1: the Malibu Creek State Park since November of ten, and
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  Speaker 1: last year, Melissa to TAngelo encountered a shooting in the
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  Speaker 1: same park. She posted a video on Facebook January of
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  Speaker 1: showing where her Honda was shot while she was at
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  Speaker 1: the park. I walked around the back and at first
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke. Then my boyfriend walked
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  Speaker 1: around and he was like, that's a bullet hole, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, it is right. What that says
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  Speaker 1: to me is if the caliber's match. We are looking
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  Speaker 1: at one gunman who is, as Karen Smith stated, using
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  Speaker 1: this as his hunting ground. Dr Daniel bober I totally agreed, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: This is reminds me of the DC sniper case. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you've got, like you said, the ballist. If the ballistics matchup.
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  Speaker 1: If this guy is shooting people from an elevated position
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  Speaker 1: through the tents, I mean you have a serial killer
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  Speaker 1: on your hands. And this part, as you said, is
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  Speaker 1: his hunting ground. There are the other shootings are now
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  Speaker 1: being reviewed as part of this current homicide investigation, which
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  Speaker 1: leads me to believe that authorities are investigating them as
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  Speaker 1: coming from one shooter. This guy, this poor young dad
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  Speaker 1: Bodet murdered in front of his two little girls, ages
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  Speaker 1: two and four, and Jason Oceans. I don't care how
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  Speaker 1: you slice it, it's still murder. Oh yes, absolutely, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's um, it's horrible. I'm glad at least to know
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  Speaker 1: that law enforcement is you know, triangulated these uh, these
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  Speaker 1: these events and are focusing on one and where and
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  Speaker 1: and that sounds like a task force, and that you
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  Speaker 1: know that brings a lot more boots on the ground
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  Speaker 1: into this, which is critical. Well, this is a kind
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  Speaker 1: of a famous area actually, um, because the park is
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  Speaker 1: the filming site before it was open to the public,
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  Speaker 1: was the filming site of the outdoor set of Mash,
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  Speaker 1: the long running TV series with alden Alda and so
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  Speaker 1: many others, you know, Hawkeye, Radar, Winchester, hot Lips, the whole,
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  Speaker 1: all of them. This is a very big draw tourist attraction.
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  Speaker 1: Now apart, there was an episode Nancy. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: there was an episode of Nash where they had a
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  Speaker 1: sniper shooting at the camp. Um, you tell me that
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  Speaker 1: it triggers to my youth of watching that show. I
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  Speaker 1: would hope that this that this picko is not associated
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  Speaker 1: with that that former episode of the camp being attacked
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  Speaker 1: by a sniper. Okay, you know a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: would say that's far fetched. But Jason Oceans, based on
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  Speaker 1: what I know about killers, especially serial killers, you never
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  Speaker 1: know what's setting them off. Hold On, Chuck Roberts, Crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter wants in, what is you
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  Speaker 1: know about what shaffs have common in regarding the other shootings. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the state park superintendent Tony Hoffman said something that I
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  Speaker 1: found unusual. Uh. He said, that rural areas get gunshots.
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  Speaker 1: I'm quoting directly. Now, people from the city. No, they
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  Speaker 1: can't shoot in the city, and they go, oh, this
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  Speaker 1: doesn't look like a city. They stop on a wide turnout,
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  Speaker 1: they shoot. They hike down the trail and shoot. It's
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  Speaker 1: what we call plinkers. They're not really hunting, they're not
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  Speaker 1: trying to kill anything. I'm still quoting. It's not uncommon
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  Speaker 1: for us to get reports of gunshots that usually end
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  Speaker 1: up being plinkers, and most of the time we show up,
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  Speaker 1: we don't find them. That's what he said. Roberts, better
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  Speaker 1: be glad you said you were quoting, because I was
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  Speaker 1: just about to rip your new tail hole on that one.
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  Speaker 1: Because here's how that works. It's called the abandoned and
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  Speaker 1: malignant heart theory of murder one. Yes, of course, murder
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  Speaker 1: in the first degree. Premeditated murder can be when you
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  Speaker 1: plan out a long scheme, like poisoning somebody every morning
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  Speaker 1: in their tea tail they're dead. You can hire a
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  Speaker 1: hit man. That's murder one laying in wait as another
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  Speaker 1: premeditated murder. But the reality is murder one can be
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  Speaker 1: proven in many different ways, and that includes an abandoned
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  Speaker 1: or malignant heart. Okay, what is that? That's for instance,
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  Speaker 1: driving your car at ninety mph into a street festival.
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  Speaker 1: When you act with such reckless abandoned it rises to
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  Speaker 1: a malignant heart where you endanger other people and end
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  Speaker 1: up killing somebody. Or like shooting into a campground area
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  Speaker 1: where tents are pitched, tents with a dad and two
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  Speaker 1: little girls and it. Yeah, that's an abandoned and malignant heart.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care if they call them clinkers or clinkers
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  Speaker 1: or whatever it is. You just said, this guy is dead.
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  Speaker 1: What is our best chance, Karen Smith, I would say
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  Speaker 1: ballistics at this point, that's all they've got, Nancy, They've
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  Speaker 1: got ballistics. They're gonna have to recover the projectiles from
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  Speaker 1: the scene. Um, They're gonna have to scour the area
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  Speaker 1: to see if they find any bullet casings if they
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  Speaker 1: were ejected. If it was a rifle and they fired
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  Speaker 1: more than one shot, they're going to have to eject
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  Speaker 1: at least one. Um. If it was a semi automatic,
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  Speaker 1: they will automatically eject. Um. It doesn't sound like a revolver.
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  Speaker 1: If we're dealing with a distant shooting here. It also
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a semi automatic. They're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: scour that area and they're gonna have to find every
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  Speaker 1: single link that they can. The ballistics on the projectiles
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  Speaker 1: that are recovered. They're gonna have to do some serious
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  Speaker 1: comparisons to find out if it was the same gun
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  Speaker 1: and then do some tracing on that. Hopefully the NIVEN
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  Speaker 1: network can provide some information on that Nationalistics Integrated Network. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Karen, whoever did that is looking at
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  Speaker 1: murder one plus two accounts of aggravated assault. The two
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  Speaker 1: little girls were in that tent as well. L A
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Department says it has no more details it
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  Speaker 1: intends to release. This is an active homicide investigation. What
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  Speaker 1: more do we know? We know Boudette brilliant. He graduated
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  Speaker 1: with a pH d in chemistry for University California, Berkeley,
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  Speaker 1: and it worked for Alegan and their pharmaceutical arena. But
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  Speaker 1: he was happiest outdoors. He's been every opportunity he could find, hiking, biking, snowboarding, camping,
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  Speaker 1: says the family. I've been looking at family postings of
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  Speaker 1: their photos during the weekend, and one he's holding the
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  Speaker 1: hands of his two little girls as they stand on
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  Speaker 1: a shore and there's a wave crashing in. And another
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  Speaker 1: photo he and his family are on the beach roasting s'mores.
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  Speaker 1: He's got one arm around his wife in her camp chair,
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  Speaker 1: the other is around his older daughter who's in a
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  Speaker 1: little camp chair for kids. He's just breaking my heart.
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  Speaker 1: The mother, Erica, was studying for an exam that was
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  Speaker 1: set for the next morning. They were both planning to
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  Speaker 1: move to the Bay Area for brand new jobs, and
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  Speaker 1: this was their final step before taking time off together
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  Speaker 1: as a family. Before they relocated. Everything was planned. They
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  Speaker 1: had worked their whole lives for this moment, and now
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  Speaker 1: Bodette is dead and seemingly a random act of senseless violence.
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  Speaker 1: Please help us solve the case. Who murdered Tristan Boudette
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  Speaker 1: to get started. At this hour, police searching for the
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  Speaker 1: mother of a newborn baby found abandoned near a dumpster.
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  Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us. Dallas police desperately searching asking for help
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  Speaker 1: to find the mother of a little baby found abandoned
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  Speaker 1: near a garbage bin in Red Bird Joining me right now,
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  Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan Lee. How
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: did this come about? How did they find the baby? Well,
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  Speaker 1: what happened was a lady that lived in the apartment
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  Speaker 1: complex found the baby lying in the grass with the
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  Speaker 1: abilical courts still attached, a few feet away from the dumpster.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on right there, Joining me right now, Lee is
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  Speaker 1: Dr Michelle Duprie, former pathologist, medical examiner, now professor at
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  Speaker 1: Columbia College in South Carolina. Also author of A fuel
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  Speaker 1: Dr Duprey What does it mean? What can we deduce
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  Speaker 1: from the fact that the umbilical cord was still attached? Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: this is um It was likely a pre traumatic birth.
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  Speaker 1: There was no prenatal care or no no one in attendance,
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  Speaker 1: a medical person in attendance at birth, and this can
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  Speaker 1: cause some serious problems in what way, Well, there's always
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  Speaker 1: the possibility of a hemorrhage. UM. We don't know the
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  Speaker 1: status of the child, if there were any birth complications.
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  Speaker 1: If here's much premature, there can be infections UM by
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  Speaker 1: acceptance that would lead to other organs being damaged. UM,
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  Speaker 1: there's the whole array of things that may be a problematic. Now,
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  Speaker 1: when we say the umbilical cord is still attached, UM,
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  Speaker 1: what exactly does that mean? I mean, to my lay
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  Speaker 1: person's mind, it means that baby was just born. That
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  Speaker 1: is most likely the case. UM. The umbilical cord provides
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  Speaker 1: blood from the placenta to the fetus. Usually there are
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  Speaker 1: two arteries in one vein. Again, there could be some abnormalities. UM,
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  Speaker 1: this is the hemorrhage could come from um. Typically the
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  Speaker 1: umbilical cord is clamped shortly after um, and in this
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  Speaker 1: case that that was not done. The reason the umbilical
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  Speaker 1: cord is clamped, to my understanding, is because the umbilical cord,
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  Speaker 1: and we're talking about hemorrhaging, and regular people talk that's bleeding, bleeding.
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  Speaker 1: This baby is left with the umbilical cord still attached.
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  Speaker 1: The umbilical cord is a tube that connects the mother
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  Speaker 1: to the baby during the pregnancy, while the babies and
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  Speaker 1: mommy's tummy. I think it has three blood vessels in
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  Speaker 1: the umbilical cord. One vein carries food and oxygen from
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  Speaker 1: the mom's placenta to the baby, and two of those
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  Speaker 1: arteries carry waste from the baby back into the placenta.
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  Speaker 1: And that is what's so significant that this umbilical cord
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  Speaker 1: is really three blood vessels arteries. That baby could easily
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  Speaker 1: bleed out from the umbilical cord. This is significant. The
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: baby is born and without the umbilical cord being removed
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: uh and sordered or clamped nothing, the baby is just
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: thrown by the trash bend as if it's trash. I mean,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: isn't that true, Dr Michelle Duprety that a baby can actually,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: as you say, hemorrhage through the umbilical cord. That's why
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: they clamp it. Yes, I can see that is true. Absolutely.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Now another issue about the umbilical cord. Isn't there such
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: a thing as umbilical cord prolapse when the cord um
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: can let me get pinched, so to speak, and the
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: baby can't get oxygen. That's also true, Nancy. There's several
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: different abnormalities of the medical courts. They can have not
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in them. They could become entangled around the baby's net.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: All of those things may prevent the baby from getting
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: the oxygen that's needed to survive. So here's this baby
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: naked alone, thrown by a dumpster. I mean, you know,
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, you're the private investigator former Nashville p D.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: How many cases have we handled or investigated or covered
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: about babies abandoned? You know, on the black market. This
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: baby could go for sixties seventy thousand dollars. Adults are
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: desperate to have a baby, they can't have a baby,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and this baby is thrown out naked by the dumpster
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: with the umbilical cord still attached to Vincent. Yeah, you're
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: absolutely right, Nancy. In Nashville, I knew about the black
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: market of babies being sold. Uh so this is this
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: is very tragic. Unfortunately we hear about this all the time.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But as an investigator, where I would start is anybody
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: that lives in that apartment building where this young baby
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: was discarded like trash, because this dumpster was right behind
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: apartment buildings. So I'd be going door to door looking
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: for anybody that had any new injuries. Are just interviewing
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: people like, hey, do you know anyone that was pregnant here? Oh? Yes,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I knew such and such and she told me she
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: had the baby. That's where I would start. Well, once again,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Vincent Hill the Voice of Reason. Kathleen Murphy joining me,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Family law expert, Kathleen Murphy, what about safe haven laws?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: What are they? Law allows these women who are pregnant
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: but unable to keep the baby, or they want their baby,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: they can leave this baby with the fire department or
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the hospital and have no ramifications for abandoning their child.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: The problem that you have is that the women that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: are dumping these babies outside of a safe haven are
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: usually victims themselves of the opioide crisis and the heroine
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: used that I see on a day to day basis.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: They're having these children and there out of their minds,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you know, Kathleen Murphy. I appreciate that because I have
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: worked with many many addicts on many many different substances.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: But when it comes between the welfare of the addict
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and they if this is the mother is an addict,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: which I have no reason to believe, but if she is,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: then I've got an innocent baby. You know, the baby
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: comes first in this scenario. So Ashley Wilcott, Atlanta juvenal judge,
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of Child crime watch dot com. What
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: does it say to you that mommy leaves the baby
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: throws the baby by the trash dump star that she's
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: committed a crime, that this is not. I don't care
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: what state of mind the person is in. She has
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: committed a crime. She's effectively murdered the baby. Because if
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: no one finds the baby while the baby still happens
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to be alive, it is there's no excuse for it.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: There's no tolerance that we need to have, which was
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: the reason for the safe haven laws. A lot of
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: people don't know about them, but I would submit even
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: women who know about them, if they don't want their baby,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: are just gonna throw their baby away. It's a horrible,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: horrible crime to dodger and Michelle Dupree uh from a
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: forensic pathologist, medical examiner and now professor at Columbia College.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Dr Dupree, How long could a baby last in the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: elements on the ground by a dumpster where dogs and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: animals come in the night to scavenge. So much of
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that does depend on exactly what you said, the environment
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: that the town is founded, and also the prenatal care
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that the child is spage um, what was the condition
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: when the child was born? Are any complications so that
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: comes vary. The childcatsil by very long, even even in
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the best of condition. So this is absolutely privasy. I mean,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: just thinking, Dr Dupree, just thinking about uh, possums and
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: raccoons and feral dogs and cats coming up on that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: baby with the umbilical cord just hanging there, probably still bleeding.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm gonna go back to crime
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reported Lee Egan. So, who did
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: you tell me finds the baby? Yeah, there was a
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: lady that found the baby and she actually they were
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: new to the area. They had no idea where hospital is.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Our hospital was, so she waited for her husband to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: come home. Then they googled the hospital in nearby Grand Prairie, Texas,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: drove the baby there. The woman new to the area,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: fine minds the baby on Watership Lane by a dumpster
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a PM waited for her husband to come home, Lee Egan,
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: you're telling me what what? Why didn't she call nine
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: one right then? The only thing she told police was
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that they were new to the area and she wanted
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to wait to see with her husband. So for whatever reason,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: why we was she didn't call nine one one, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I know this, she got the baby.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: She picked the baby up. She and her husband get
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the baby in the car. They look up Texas Health
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: on a cell phone, and they drive the baby to
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Texas Health. Right now, police searching desperately for the mother
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: of this baby abandoned in Red Bird. The baby the newborn,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: found alive abandoned near a dumpster in North Texas. I'm
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: taking a look at the dumpster right now. I mean
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: exactly what, it's filthy. The area around it is filthy.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: So the baby is found on a Saturday at nine
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: thirty at night. What does that tell you? Probably an investigator,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: former cop Vincent Hill well Man, So we don't know
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: exactly how long the baby had been out there. But
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: what I would suspect is, since the baby was not
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: placed in the dumpster, whoever did this did it with
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: the intention of someone finding that baby. Because an apartment buildings,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: there's people always taking their trash out, whether it's three
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: in the afternoon or three in the morning. So I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: think the intention was for this baby to be found,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: but unfortunately could have gone about getting rid of the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: baby a different way. There's options to do that. Wait
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a minute, I want to follow up on what you're
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: saying Vincent Hill, I mean, Ashley Willcote. You want the
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: baby to be found, all right? How about putting it
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: in a basket in a blanket on somebody's door set.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Why don't you put it by the trash on the
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: round at night when you know animals are gonna come
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: around that trap the dumpster. How's that helping the baby?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: It's not. I don't believe that whoever had birth of
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: this baby did it and put the child there to
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: be found. I don't agree with that at all. I
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: think the person didn't give a flip flop about what
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: happened to this baby and disposed of it as quickly,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: as efficiently, as easily as they could to get rid
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of the baby period. UH Texas safe haven laws allow
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: moms who are not able or simply don't want to
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: take care of their newborn children to hand them over
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: it designated locations like UH fire stations, police stations. Apparently
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't aware of this, but common
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: sense tells you not to leave the baby at the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: trash dumpster. Now back to Dr Michelle Dupree form, a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: forensic pathology medical examiner, my longtime colleague, now a professor
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: at Columbia College, Dr Dupree, if the baby again back
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to the umbilical cord, I'm focusing on it now on
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: a different um perspective, not the health perspective or the
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: danger to the baby's life, but evidentiarily, what does it mean.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: It says to me the baby was not born in
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: a hospital or the doctor with a doctor, or at
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: a clinic. The baby was delivered without any assistance, and
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: somebody who had just gone through taught childbirth was hell
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: bent on getting rid of that baby. What does it
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: say to you, Dr Dupree, That's absolutely right. That's the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: same thing that it indicates to me um the against
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: status of the umbilical cord and just simply discarding the
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: baby like that. The safe haven laws are such a comfort,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: or should be to anyone who does have a child.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But I don't want to teach. There's no reason that
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: they could not turn that child over to want the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: safe haven Back to Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: investigative reporters, So where does it stand now. They're still
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: looking for witnesses, they still have not identified who the
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: mother is, the father nothing. I believe Mr Hill said
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they were going door to door that is exactly what
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: they did do They're looking still, I haven't found anything
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: at this hour. No other witnesses have been found. Police
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: desperately searching for the mother. Anyone with information please call
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: detectives at two one four, two seven five one three
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to one, repeat to one, four to seven, five one
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: three to one. The baby has survived, but the investigation
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: goes on. A beautiful little boy just ten years old
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: is dead, reportedly from a fall, but now suspicious and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: severe head injuries have been determined, not only that his
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: body covered in cigarette burns. Is it true that little
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Anthony is the victim? I'm not only his killer, but
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: of Child Protective Services who has received no less than
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: six stain called warning him the little boy was being
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: horribly abused. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you for being with us, joining me right now. Crime
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: online dot Com contributing investigative reporter Robin will Lensky. Robin,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: what can you tell me about the discovery a little
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Anthony's body? Well, this is a horrendous case of child abuse, clearly, Nancy,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: that had gone on for quite some time. Um. They
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: found him with head injuries and he was covered in
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: cigarette burns. You know, one can only imagine the pain
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: that this little boy was in. Um. You know, he
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: was one of eight children arranging an age from eleven
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: months to twelve years old. Horrendous abuse. Uh. The child
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Prospective services called over and over again and absolutely nothing
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was done. We were talking about the death a little
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: ten year old Anthony Avelos. Take a listen to his
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: aunt talking about Anthony's death. He was such a wonderful child,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: full of life. How does the child's fault and this happens?
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: He told us that he he would get locked up
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't allowed to use the bathroom. Anthony deserves
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: justice and the rest of my nieces and nephews did
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: not deserve to go back to her. They don't. That
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: is the aunt um Anthony Ovelos talking about the child's death.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: But when question the Department of childa Family Services Director
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Bobby Cable says this, well, you have to have uh
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: a level of proof in order to get a court
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to give you an order of that type. Once you
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: have a child erkent't that somewhat compromises your ability to
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: get those warrants. He had a severe head injury consistent
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: of a brain lead, plus bruises and abrasions all about
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: his body, all that indicates me that that's non accidental.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Professor of Forensics at
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, The
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Journey of a Southern Death investigator Joe Scott, this albs Okay,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: that's a technical legal term. You might want to include
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it as a footnote in your next book. Because this
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: child did not die from a fall. You don't get
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: injuries like this, saying you can't get a head injury
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: from a fall, but your body isn't covered in bruises
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: of this nature. Plus the cigarette burns from a fall. Yeah, anytime,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: anytime someone approaches me with a case like this and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: they say, yeah, he the child or the person was involved,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: they this is saying to fall, I'd say, well, how
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: many damn times did they fall? Because this child looks
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: like you know, from what I'm hearing, is if the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: child had been through multiple car accidents. Not only do
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: you have this nasty closed head injury that kind of
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: finalized everything, You've also got these little circular burns all
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: over his body. And I've seen these in case after
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: case after case over my career, Nancy, where someone was
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: essentially using this poor little angel as an ash tray
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: and this is a painful, painful way to die. Uh.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Not to mention anything that they had done to him
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: and he didn't receive further treatment. You have all kinds
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: of problems that can develop from that, like secondary infections
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: and things like this tortures life that this child obviously led.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Maria Baron, Anthony's aunt, said that she had frequently voiced
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: her concerns about Anthony's mother, Heather Baron, and her living
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: boyfriend Kareem Leva to Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge, lawyer founder
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a child crime watch dot com. Ashley, I'm not buying
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: any of this business about a fall. As a matter
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: of fact, this child and the siblings should have been
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: taken out of the home a long time ago. That
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: aunt has been calling CPS is two thousand and fifteen.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Now the boy is dead. What do you think they've
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: got enough evidence now, Ashley? Two words, system failed. There
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: were over sixteen reports over an extended period of time
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of different types of abuse to this particular child. The
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: eight agency should have done more. Has missed something, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: it's absolutely incumbent that everyone is aware. How do we
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: prevent this in the future, because this should not have happened.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: This agency failed. I do not believe it was a fall.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: They abused this child to death. There were twelve complaints
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: for sure, although the aunt says fifteen between two thousand
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: and thirty and two thousand sixteen, including claims of sex
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: abuse on the child made by a grandparent. I mean,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: how can that be ignored? Robin Willinsky joining US Crime
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter, Robin, I mean, how can
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: CPS this guy, Bobby Cagele, stand up with a straight
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: face and exhibit no concern about all the complaints his
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: agency had failed to act upon. Nancy The agency is
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: totally negligent. How can you look at this boy's skin
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: and see the bumps and bruises, see the cigarette burns
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: which are so obvious. There are allegations that the mother
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: and the boyfriend withheld food from these kids, Nancy forced
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: them to eat from the trash can, and even an
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: allegation from the aunt that they were dangled upside down
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: from a staircase. I mean, how sick is that it
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't just the family as well. There were school administrators, teachers,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a counselor all calling in, in addition to what Robin
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Rolinsky is telling us about by the aunt and the
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: grandparents all calling in begging for defects to do something.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: The children aged eleven months to twelve years old, Anthony
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: being just ten years old, all of them at risk,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: sexually use, beaten, bruised, forced to have a kid fight club,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: making the children fight each other, eat from the trash.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: All of this is from Department Child Family Services Director
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Bobby Cagel. So explain something to me, Ashley. Why isn't
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: defacts being held accountable? Well, listen, you all mainly recall
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: the commissioner, Bobby Cagel was the previous commissioner of DHS
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: here in Georgia, and he is going to I will
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: say this, I do believe he will do a very,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: very and thorough investigation into what happened. And the actually
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: about an investigation that why he's dead. I want to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: know why they didn't take him out of the home.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna say. I have never
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: seen an agency in any state come out and say, oh,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: our fault, we dropped the ball neglect. We did this,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: we shouldn't have and this he shouldn't have been killed.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: It's on us. They don't do that right, they go
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: into bureaucratic protection mode. And that's why it's so important
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: you air shows like this for everyone to realize the
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: only way we can make the system better is to
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: hold them accountable, because that doesn't currently exist. I'm just
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: looking right now of a photo of this little child
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: in the hospital. Uh, it looks like he's got a
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: neck brace on. He's got all sorts of things strapped
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: to his head. His face is covered in bruises. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: see a cigarette burn on the side the right side
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: of his chest, almost under his arm. Karen Stark, Um,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I need a shrink in a big way. How can
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: parents do this to little children? But you're not talking
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: about your everyday, wonderful parent, Nancy. You're talking about people
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: who are staudistic and don't have a conscience, and so
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: they're displacing any unhappiness that they have, unfortunately onto these
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: children and acting out their own fantasies as thick as
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: it may be. And really it's just horrendous to consider
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that there were reports being made people trying to do
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: something about it, and no one was able to pull
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: these kids away from the home because these are not
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: fit parents, and they're not the parents that you encounter
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: when you go to a PTA meeting and you deal with,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you know, so called normal parents. These are people who
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: want to punish their children and want them to gardens.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Joseph S. Goot Morgan with me UM forensics expert and
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet. Just Scott, what more
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: can you tell me about this child's body? Well, he
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: languished Nancy over uh protracted period of time. Uh. This
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: was not uh, this was not a uh a death
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: that came swiftly to him. It was something that was torturous.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: It was long. Uh. You know, we've we've got these
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: images of him laying on ICU being able to you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: where they're having to assist him with just breathing. Uh.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: It culminated, I think and in a long, um, a
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: long torturous and uh to to his life with me.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Prosecutor Kenya Johnson Kenya weigh in, it is amazing
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that in this day and age that this could go
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: on to such a level and not even the community
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: step in. I understand that they made phone calls, but
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: who did something? Who was actually in this child's life
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: that uh could have intervened in just these children period. Uh.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: We want to look at see if they were getting
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: financial assistance from welfare. Was their case manager that was
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to be checking in on them regularly. Um, there's so
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: many questions, so many people had eyes on this that
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: they should have been outraged. The principle should have refused
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: to let the children go home at night. Uh, They're
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  Speaker 1: just there's so many things that people could have done
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  Speaker 1: to step in, But those that are most comminally responsible
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  Speaker 1: are those that were charged with taking care of these kids,
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  Speaker 1: which are going to be the state and their parents.
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  Speaker 1: And now we are learning that there are reports, unverified reports,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: but reports Karen start New York psychologists that just before
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  Speaker 1: his horrific murder, he had studied the words that he
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: liked boys. Some people have taken that to mean that
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: he announced that he was gay and then is dead. Well,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you know, he may have announced that he was gay,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know how that has anything to do.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's very brave on his part, but that
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the fact that he was
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  Speaker 1: abused and that he should have been taken out of
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: that home. Um, it makes you wonder whether there wasn't
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: something going on at school as well, where kids were
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: teasing him and cruel. But if you add back to
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the psychological trauma of being in that situation at home,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: the horrific set of circumstances it has, it has very
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: little to do with what we're talking about. You know what,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: I don't understand something. I'm gonna say this to you.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot found her child crime watch dot com. Why
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: don't we are so much about the Turpin family in
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: California the House of Horrors? What? Because they were educated
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: it and had money and a beautiful home that their
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: children And I'm not saying they're not important to me,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: because they are. But nobody seems to care about this
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: little kid. It's like nothing and the whole family was mistreated.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. Clearly, I think there's evidence for
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: certain crimes, and I will say this and it's really
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: a shame, But the reality is, regrettably often demographics play
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: role and who pays attention and cares about a child
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: and a murder going free or not? We wait as
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the investigation unfolds and Frankly, I think a criminal investigation
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: needs to be launched on de Facts Department of Family
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: and Children's Services. Right now, we remember American hero Officer
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  Speaker 1: Jillian Michelle Smith, Arlington, Texas police officer. She graduated University
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  Speaker 1: Texas comb laude with a bachelor's degree in Criminal Justice
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  Speaker 1: and Criminology. A longtime member of Mount Olive Baptist Church
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  Speaker 1: in Arlington, Smith had just completed her FUELD training fifteen
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  Speaker 1: days before she was shot down in the line of
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: duty as she was shielding an eleven year old little girl.
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  Speaker 1: Jillian Michelle Smith leaves behind grieving parents Douglas and Sonja,
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  Speaker 1: sister Jessica, and nephew Cameron, and many other loving relatives
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  Speaker 1: who missed her Dearly Officer Julian Michelle Smith, American hero
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