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The Week That Was - 29th April 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was, and joining
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Speaker 1: us in the studio this morning, we've got the Deputy
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Speaker 1: or Position Leader, Jared Mayley.
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Speaker 2: Good morning, Good.
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Speaker 3: Morning Katie, Good morning listeners, go PARAMOUNTA.
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Speaker 2: Already into the footy.
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Speaker 1: We've got Tom Morgan, the political reporter for the Northern
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Speaker 1: Territory News.
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Speaker 2: Good morning to you, Tom.
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Speaker 4: Good morning Katie.
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Speaker 2: Lovely to have you in the studio.
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Speaker 1: And we have got we've got a Labor member here
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Speaker 1: today fars He's back the pop.
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Speaker 2: Up always here.
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Speaker 5: A busy morning back.
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Speaker 1: Good morning everyone, Good morning to you all, and it's
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Speaker 1: been an incredibly busy week. We might actually start with
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Speaker 1: the fact that we know the federal election race is
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Speaker 1: well and truly on, and we started the week with
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Speaker 1: well not Anthony Albanezy, but today he is finally out
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Speaker 1: of COVID isolation as I understand, and back on the hustings.
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Speaker 1: But we did have the Prime Minister Scott Morrison in
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Speaker 1: the Northern Territory and a raft of other politicians from
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Speaker 1: both the Labor Party and the Coalition, which I think
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Speaker 1: really for me makes me realize just how how the
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Speaker 1: Coalition obviously seems to think that they could pick up
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Speaker 1: that seat of Lingiari is my take on it.
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Speaker 2: What's yours?
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Speaker 1: Top?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's definitely in play.
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Speaker 6: I mean to get a politician from Canberra up here
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Speaker 6: before the dry season even starts is incredible.
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Speaker 5: Taking like a true local now toime well.
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Speaker 4: You know, been here.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but no, I think that definitely the Coalition see Lingiari.
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Speaker 6: I think they even probably see Solomon, although that you know,
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Speaker 6: it depends how things turn out on the night. But yeah,
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Speaker 6: I mean the Government obviously throwing fourteen million dollars at
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Speaker 6: Lingiari and Alice Springs labor, matching that commitment. The Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister also announcing three hundred million dollars for Darwin for
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Speaker 6: energy and labor, I think also matching that as well.
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Speaker 6: So Labour seems to be really trying to if the
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Speaker 6: if the Government makes any commitment, Labour want to be
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Speaker 6: there to say yep, we'll do the same. I think
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Speaker 6: that both parties are really looking to try and keep
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Speaker 6: hold or win Lingiari.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems that way.
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Speaker 1: And look, I was interested over the course of last
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Speaker 1: weekend to see those announcements in Alice Springs. What I
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Speaker 1: thought was interesting is that we have seen from the
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory government a real pushback and you know, not
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Speaker 1: an admission that there is a crime crisis not only
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Speaker 1: in Alice Springs, but we've got real issues up here
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Speaker 1: in the top end at the moment too. So I
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Speaker 1: sort of thought, then, when we had both sides of
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Speaker 1: Federal Parliament in Alice Springs going, we've got some big
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Speaker 1: issues here and we're going to be spending fourteen million
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Speaker 1: dollars to try and sort these issues out, I got
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Speaker 1: to say, I thought it was a little bit embarrassing
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Speaker 1: for the Gunner government.
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Speaker 7: It's pretty interesting that both the labor representatives are trying
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Speaker 7: to distance to themselves from the government. They're both saying that,
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Speaker 7: you know, the crime should be owned by the Gunner
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Speaker 7: I'm Gosling, said, I'm Gosling, not Gunner. So it's really
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Speaker 7: interesting that they're actually trying to draw that line, understand,
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Speaker 7: to say, we're not the Northern Chokey government, we're the
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Speaker 7: federal government.
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Speaker 3: But we all know that they're all one party and
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Speaker 3: it's that one group.
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Speaker 7: So essentially, if you vote for our labor, it's Gosling
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Speaker 7: or Marian's up to you.
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Speaker 2: Nice deflection there.
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Speaker 8: Derek is the CELP you've got a colp sort of
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Speaker 8: the last choice candidate running for you, and then your
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Speaker 8: ex members have all gone and what s you party?
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Speaker 8: But you know, in terms of federal labor, Katie, they
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Speaker 8: certainly care about the territory. I think that you know,
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Speaker 8: you cannot you have to acknowledge Warren Snowden retiring after
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Speaker 8: such a long period. You know, he's just a legend
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Speaker 8: in that seat and out in the bush. But Marion's
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Speaker 8: got excellent track record. She is being embraced by the
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Speaker 8: community out in the bush. But it certainly, you know,
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Speaker 8: both seats are in play. I think Luke's done a
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Speaker 8: great job. He's got that incumbency as a local member.
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Speaker 8: He's worked hard over a number of years. But yeah,
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Speaker 8: we certainly will see over the next few weeks.
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Speaker 1: There is no denying though, this issue of crime is
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Speaker 1: going to have a big impact I think when it
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Speaker 1: comes to the federal election, no matter how you look
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Speaker 1: at it, Tom, I know that earlier in the week
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Speaker 1: you actually I believe that you guys surveyed a number
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Speaker 1: of Territorians to find out what were the big issues
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Speaker 1: that they are quite concerned about and what did it
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Speaker 1: tell you about crime?
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Speaker 6: Crime was I think far and away the most important
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Speaker 6: issue for most people. Think we had like well, as
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Speaker 6: of yesterday afternoon, about two hundred and seventy people had
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Speaker 6: replied to that survey. Most of them, I think the
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Speaker 6: vast majority had said crime, followed by the cost of living.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 6: So those two issues are really going to be key
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Speaker 6: factors in the selection campaign.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, I think that there.
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Speaker 6: Was someone who I was talking to yesterday who said
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Speaker 6: that the announcement of the fourteen million dollars from the
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister that was matched by labor, they are actually,
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Speaker 6: I guess a little bit unhappy with that because they
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Speaker 6: didn't think it went far enough. Yeah right, they thought, oh, well,
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Speaker 6: you know, the prime Minister's jetted into town, he stayed
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Speaker 6: there for less than a day and just announce this
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Speaker 6: money and then gone to dal Ones straight away.
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Speaker 7: You remember, I think, Kay, you said, you hit the
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Speaker 7: nail on their head. It really is the anti governments
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Speaker 7: of responsibility about crime. So they're coming up here to
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Speaker 7: try and fix the failures that the Gun and government
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Speaker 7: have done, and they're both trying to commit money because
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Speaker 7: I realized that the gun and government have failed and
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Speaker 7: crime is out of control and we just have to
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Speaker 7: look anywhere in the charitory looking at wallet at the moment,
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Speaker 7: it's completely out of control over there. You can go
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Speaker 7: to the northern suburbs, palmerstn Catherine, TenneT Creek, Alice Springs, Borrow, Lula,
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Speaker 7: anywhere in the territory.
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Speaker 3: Time is a real issue, and as it shows that
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Speaker 3: the labor.
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Speaker 7: Government have failed and have put the head in the sand,
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Speaker 7: it's trying to pull it out and fix the problem,
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Speaker 7: because that's all people talk to me about is crime, crime,
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Speaker 7: crime and being the victim of crime. For it must
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Speaker 7: be a horrible feeling to have your home invaded, your
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Speaker 7: business broken into, and you're trying to make a living
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Speaker 7: for your family, and you get there and you can't
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Speaker 7: trade that day because you've got to come and fix
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Speaker 7: the glass, restack the shelves, clean it all up, and
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Speaker 7: then send those workers home for the day.
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Speaker 3: It just must be a really bad feeling.
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Speaker 8: In relation to that, Katie, we've spoken about this crime
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Speaker 8: is incredibly complex and antisocial behavior. I think that the
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Speaker 8: issues in what I you know, they've been very long
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Speaker 8: running and it is disturbing what is happening out there.
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Speaker 8: But I know that police along with other government agencies
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Speaker 8: have certainly focused resources and are working with that community
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Speaker 8: in terms of crime and antisocial behavior across the board.
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Speaker 8: You know, all levels of government, Council, NTG and the
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Speaker 8: Commonwealth need to work together.
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Speaker 1: We have seen something extra that's going to happen though,
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Speaker 1: because right now, I mean, I think that it's reached
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Speaker 1: a point where people have well and true had enough
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Speaker 1: and they do feel as though the gunn of government's
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Speaker 1: taking no action in this space and that nothing extra
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Speaker 1: is happening right now.
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Speaker 8: So Operation Thayer, which police have put in place targeting
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Speaker 8: particularly in Ala Springs, is starting to see some results.
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Speaker 8: But we're certainly not going to stop. There needs to
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Speaker 8: be a range of measures and it needs to be
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Speaker 8: across different levels of government. As I just said, well,
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Speaker 8: we're taking the issue very seriously and acting.
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Speaker 5: Now let's talk about that.
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Speaker 1: Then what about up here in the top end, because
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Speaker 1: it's one thing obviously for Alice Springs, and we know
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Speaker 1: that Alice Springs is grappled with some terrible stuff. I mean,
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Speaker 1: earlier in the week, the ABC Online or I believe
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Speaker 1: it was ABC News how to report that they'd had
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Speaker 1: an increase in indecent assaults in Alice Springs, so women
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Speaker 1: being indecently assaulted while they're out in public. It was
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Speaker 1: one of the people who was indecently assaulted was a
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Speaker 1: pregnant woman. I think that a lot of people would
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Speaker 1: have seen that vision throughout the week where there was
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Speaker 1: a lady who had her shopping trolley, had her wallet stolen.
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Speaker 2: There was teenage girls there.
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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly who took the wallet or what
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Speaker 1: had gone on, but you know that's in broad daylight,
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Speaker 1: somewhere like Alice Springs.
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Speaker 2: Then you come up to the top end in Darwin
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Speaker 2: right now.
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Speaker 1: You know, we've got a school in your electorate that's
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Speaker 1: looking at putting a fence up all around the place
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Speaker 1: because of the various issues that they've seen. According to
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Speaker 1: that letter in the school that came out from the school.
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Speaker 2: You know, I got a phone call and I.
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Speaker 1: Don't know exactly what's gone on, but a listener earlier
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Speaker 1: in the week who had said that the Chuoks at
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Speaker 1: the preschool had been slaughtered.
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Speaker 2: And that's just in again in one suburb.
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Speaker 6: Then you go further along, well, last night there was
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Speaker 6: a couple of units in my block that had their
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Speaker 6: windows smashed in people just throwing projectiles through the windows
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Speaker 6: of my neighbors. And that's as well in Nightcliff, So
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Speaker 6: you know, it's it's right across the northern territory, including
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Speaker 6: in the top end, and it's sort of inclu.
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Speaker 1: It's a real sense of lawlessness is what people are
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Speaker 1: feeling at the moment, and it is that real sense
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Speaker 1: of not being safe and wondering if they're going to
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Speaker 1: be next. And I know that the government has got
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Speaker 1: some good things obviously that you're doing, you know, where
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Speaker 1: you are trying to intervene when children are quite young.
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Speaker 1: There are certainly things that you know that you are
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Speaker 1: trying to do. But right now I think what people
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Speaker 1: are wondering is is what are you going to do
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Speaker 1: right now to try and to try and sort this
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Speaker 1: issue out. And the Police Minister had eluded about two
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Speaker 1: weeks ago or a week and a half ago that
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Speaker 1: there were going to be announcements made, but we're a
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Speaker 1: week and a half further along and nothing extra has happened.
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Speaker 8: So Katie, in terms of and you know, these issues
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Speaker 8: are very specific to different communities and so they require
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Speaker 8: a community response.
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Speaker 3: And so I think the.
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Speaker 1: Issue though with alcohol issues and the ramifications of what
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Speaker 1: we're seeing as a result of that are widespread.
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Speaker 8: Was about to say, we know that alcohol is the
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Speaker 8: basis of many crime and antisocial behavior and that's unacceptable
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Speaker 8: and will continue to work in that space. In terms
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Speaker 8: of Alice Springs, we're looking at having the CCTV Control
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Speaker 8: Room or putting it in place in Alice Springs to
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Speaker 8: provide another resource, because it's not just reacting when it happens,
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Speaker 8: it's preventing it from happening. Equally, in terms of the
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Speaker 8: mobile police station at Alice Springs, it's getting those police
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Speaker 8: resources out and moving around. It's also working in with
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Speaker 8: territory families. You know, these young people they shouldn't be
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Speaker 8: out on the streets. They need to be at home
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Speaker 8: with a responsible parent or care and so it's making
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Speaker 8: sure that all of those systems are working.
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Speaker 5: But there's not one single solution.
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Speaker 2: So that's Alice.
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Speaker 5: What about up here up here in the top end.
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Speaker 8: We certainly we've spoken about this, Katie, that the numbers
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Speaker 8: of people that are in the community, and we've been
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Speaker 8: working and there's been additional resources.
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Speaker 5: Provided to Larachean Nation to help people return to countries.
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Speaker 2: The additional resource resources have.
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Speaker 8: Been additional funding provided to Larachian Nation. I don't have
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Speaker 8: a specific figure in front of me, but I'm happy
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Speaker 8: to seek that. Department of Chief Minister have provided that
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Speaker 8: because we did see with COVID interruptions to people's flow.
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Speaker 8: So people come in to Darwin, Alice Tennant, Katherine Mullan
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Speaker 8: boy for services. That's completely fine and acceptable, but we
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Speaker 8: have to make sure the pathways for them to easily
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Speaker 8: get home are there.
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Speaker 1: This issue though, was first raised, like we have been
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Speaker 1: speaking about the number of people that are here in
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Speaker 1: Darwin at the moment for are very like honestly, for
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Speaker 1: more than a month, the Chief Minister had said to
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Speaker 1: me at the end of March, four hundred people had
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Speaker 1: gone home through the Larakie Return to Country program.
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Speaker 2: Have any more gone home? Have those figures been updated?
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Speaker 8: My understanding is there has been significantly more people returning
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Speaker 8: back to country. And part of the problems a few
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Speaker 8: weeks ago was when COVID was here, people were in town,
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Speaker 8: people in community didn't want them to go back because
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Speaker 8: they felt that that might bring COVID. There was some
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Speaker 8: points requirements for COVID testing, there was barriers to people
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Speaker 8: getting home. So it's working through all those barriers and
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Speaker 8: utilizing the resources such as Larakia and funding them appropriately
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Speaker 8: to get people back out to countries.
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Speaker 7: Ministers, we talk about sending people home and that's good,
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Speaker 7: but what about the people coming back? You know, four
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Speaker 7: hundred people and maybe there's five hundred people now, But
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Speaker 7: what about the people who come back into Darwin because
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Speaker 7: for whatever reason, and so it seems to be a
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Speaker 7: revolving door because ultimately there's still that same number of
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Speaker 7: obtorinuments running around and you walk around the streets and
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Speaker 7: here anywhere, there seemed to be people sitting under trees, camping.
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Speaker 3: And doing it tough.
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Speaker 7: There's no question about that. So what are we doing
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Speaker 7: about that? Because right now is the usual inneration. I
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Speaker 7: know that the CELP brought in some legislation earlier in
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Speaker 7: the last year about the bail amendment, so you change
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Speaker 7: your presumption of bail if you committed defense, and the
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Speaker 7: government didn't support that.
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Speaker 5: So done a body of work around.
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Speaker 3: Me finished.
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Speaker 7: It's a real issue here in relation to how it works,
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Speaker 7: and we are trying to problem is an issue. I'm
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Speaker 7: just trying to speak to Katy here minutes. So ultimately,
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Speaker 7: the government have been in power now for in this
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Speaker 7: particular government for the last seven years.
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Speaker 5: You're making that everyone that comes crime, So how long.
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Speaker 3: You need to fix the problem. And it's not getting better,
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Speaker 3: it's actually getting worse.
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Speaker 8: Can I just pick up on a really important point though,
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Speaker 8: You just said that you just made a complete jump
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Speaker 8: from people being in town and hanging around to then
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Speaker 8: the bail laws. So you're making an assumption that these
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Speaker 8: people are committing a crime, is not a crime to
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Speaker 8: come into crime analys and access to.
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Speaker 3: What we're doing in the.
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Speaker 5: Court, I let you speak.
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Speaker 8: You're talking about these large numbers of people that are
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Speaker 8: in town, they're not all committing a crime. And so
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Speaker 8: but you just made a jump across to bail and
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Speaker 8: you made an accusation and in free see.
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Speaker 3: What to fix the problem.
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Speaker 8: But we're talking about people that come in legitimately takes services.
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Speaker 5: And we're start doing work now.
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Speaker 1: So we've got additional funding for Laroche Nation, but we
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Speaker 1: don't know exactly how much. But is that what's going
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Speaker 1: Is that the only announcement that we can expect or
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Speaker 1: the only change that we can expect at this point
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Speaker 1: in time with the serious issue that we've got right now.
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Speaker 8: So Katie, we're working across the board and there will
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Speaker 8: be more to say in the coming days and weeks.
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Speaker 2: But what I can talk about you people the Chief
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Speaker 2: Finister to come back from Leeds No to make.
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Speaker 8: That say to you, we've got a very competent capitals
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Speaker 8: taking so long then because these are not single quick solutions.
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Speaker 8: These take work. You have to work across government agencies
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Speaker 8: and with different NGOs. We absolutely get the urgency, but
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Speaker 8: we can't just simply snap our fingers and do it.
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Speaker 8: What I can say in terms of people coming into
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Speaker 8: town to access services, I was talking to the Minister
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Speaker 8: for Territory Families around accommodation, making sure that there is
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Speaker 8: appropriate accommodation for people when they come into town and
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Speaker 8: they pay for that accommodation.
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Speaker 1: Kate, it would find two thousand spots like we can't
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Speaker 1: find two thousand spots for people to live.
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Speaker 2: There is a state there is availability in those services.
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Speaker 8: So it's making sure people when they come into town
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Speaker 8: that they understand that there is accommodation that is appropriate
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Speaker 8: and affordable for them when they're here.
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Speaker 5: Receiving these services.
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Speaker 8: It's making sure when people finish receiving those services that
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Speaker 8: they do head back to community it's also engaging particularly
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Speaker 8: the young people and the kids when they come into town.
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Speaker 8: When I used to teach at Saint Mary's many years ago,
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Speaker 8: people would come into town for services, but grabbing those
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Speaker 8: kids and engaging them in education and programs. So this
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Speaker 8: is when we talk about the complexities, but we certainly
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Speaker 8: are making sure the pathways are as strong and clear
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Speaker 8: as possible.
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Speaker 2: Tom, was there something you were going to say, Oh, I.
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Speaker 6: Just I think this could end up hurting labor at
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Speaker 6: the federal life grade, particularly in Lingiari. I was talking
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Speaker 6: to a candidate for Lingiuri last week and he was
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Speaker 6: saying that you go out to any part of the
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Speaker 6: territory and in remind areas, it's obviously housing that's a
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Speaker 6: massive issue. As soon as you go into a municipality
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Speaker 6: such as Tank Creek, such as Catherine, such as Alice Springs,
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Speaker 6: it's crime, crime, crime, crime.
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Speaker 4: And I think that the issue of this election in
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Speaker 4: Lingiari is going to be crime. And I think that.
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Speaker 6: There needs to be some action taken by the territory government.
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Speaker 6: I think that you know, the government here may be
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Speaker 6: on the nose in Lingiari and that you're obviously being
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Speaker 6: asked to keep your distance from the federal candidates.
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Speaker 5: I have not been asked to.
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Speaker 3: Keep keeping a distance from the labor government up here,
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Speaker 3: that's for sure.
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Speaker 1: Well either way, you know, either way, I think you know,
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Speaker 1: what we've got is a situation right now. We're you know,
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Speaker 1: I said it on earlier in the week. I've said
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Speaker 1: it to you Alfare as well, Filesy, we are in
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Speaker 1: a situation at the moment when it comes to this
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Speaker 1: issue of crime. You know, over the years we've seen
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Speaker 1: real spikes when it comes to youth crime, and that's
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Speaker 1: certainly you know there on the back. But right now
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Speaker 1: we've got a real issue I think when it comes
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Speaker 1: to our management of alcohol as well, and people getting
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Speaker 1: their hands on alcohol, people misusing it, and the ramifications
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Speaker 1: of that are really widespread right now in the top end.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the same in Alice Springs as well,
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Speaker 1: But for us up here in the top end. You know,
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Speaker 1: you've got the school in your electorate where if there
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Speaker 1: is a situation where people have been defecating on those
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Speaker 1: school grounds, I find that absolutely atrocious. You've got a
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Speaker 1: situation where you walk around in the city or in
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Speaker 1: Stuart Park, or in Fanny Bay or in perrap and
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Speaker 1: there are people who are intoxicated. We aren't talking about
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Speaker 1: people just sitting down in some cases and keeping to themselves.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about people who are I've been told
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Speaker 1: by business owners threatening with signs, you know, picking signs up,
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Speaker 1: trying to hit people, all sorts of things. It's an
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Speaker 1: issue that we've got to deal with. And I know
15:56
Speaker 1: it's complex, but I said it to Paul Kirby earlier
15:59
Speaker 1: in the week. I just I cannot speak strongly enough
16:03
Speaker 1: for the community on this that I just want the
16:06
Speaker 1: Cabinet to realize how important this is for people right now,
16:10
Speaker 1: that it is debilitating for some businesses. It's so incredibly
16:14
Speaker 1: difficult for some people right now, and they just want
16:17
Speaker 1: to feel as though they're not only being heard, but
16:19
Speaker 1: there is going to be action taken.
16:21
Speaker 8: Katie, there's absolutely the message is being heard and there's
16:24
Speaker 8: action every single day.
16:25
Speaker 5: And so you know we've spoken about this is.
16:29
Speaker 8: Like you can joke around about it or you can
16:31
Speaker 8: you can be serious and issue serious.
16:34
Speaker 3: It's a very serious issue and you're just taking it
16:36
Speaker 3: as it is.
16:38
Speaker 7: So we talked about a bush, We've talked about reviewing
16:42
Speaker 7: the BDR, We've talked about the seal of people.
16:45
Speaker 3: Getting rid of the DA. You got rid of that
16:48
Speaker 3: now that we will talk about the.
16:49
Speaker 2: Well honestly.
16:52
Speaker 8: Absolutely assure people and it is you know, in terms
16:55
Speaker 8: of the issues working across with licensing.
16:58
Speaker 1: Police are doing a were going to do things urgently
17:01
Speaker 1: like this is what I'm trying to say is I
17:04
Speaker 1: can't express enough to you guys how frustrated people are
17:08
Speaker 1: when they hear the same thing sort of over and
17:10
Speaker 1: over again about this and that you know we are
17:13
Speaker 1: doing work in this space and we are working behind
17:15
Speaker 1: the scenes, they are just like I just.
17:17
Speaker 8: Get concrete examples of changes in our springs. There are
17:20
Speaker 8: things happening, and people have to understand that they've just
17:24
Speaker 8: got to be patient. There are things happening. There's not
17:26
Speaker 8: a single easy solution. If it was, it would have
17:29
Speaker 8: been done decades ago. That complex there's been complexities added.
17:33
Speaker 8: There's complexities that are added, you know, with seasonal factors.
17:36
Speaker 8: But we're working through all of that to ensure that
17:39
Speaker 8: we provide the best response we can and that we
17:41
Speaker 8: don't leave any stones unturned in this space.
17:44
Speaker 2: I've got to be honest, I feel as though you
17:47
Speaker 2: guys don't know.
17:48
Speaker 5: Exactly what to do to fix so we're part of
17:51
Speaker 5: our communities, we live.
17:52
Speaker 1: In these community to fix it, I feel as though
17:54
Speaker 1: you're at the point where you don't know exactly what
17:57
Speaker 1: can be done to fix it, and and so there's
18:00
Speaker 1: not anything different that you can really tell us.
18:02
Speaker 8: But there's not a single solution that we can go
18:04
Speaker 8: and unwrapper box and there it is. It's multifaceted work.
18:07
Speaker 8: It's across different agencies. It's making sure that you've got
18:10
Speaker 8: the agencies that provide accommodation, both government and non government
18:13
Speaker 8: that are doing that. It's looking into housing. We know
18:15
Speaker 8: that visitors to public housing is an issue, so it's
18:17
Speaker 8: identifying those issues. Every single portfolio minister is are working
18:21
Speaker 8: across their space in terms of you know, police making
18:24
Speaker 8: sure that they've got their resources, what do they need
18:27
Speaker 8: to tackle this, licensing, preventing this before it happens, you know,
18:31
Speaker 8: stopping the flow of our cohols of people that cause hardness.
18:34
Speaker 7: Do you accept that what you're doing now is not
18:36
Speaker 7: working because the crime rates are going up right across
18:38
Speaker 7: the board, right across the territory. It's not platting out,
18:40
Speaker 7: it's not going down slowly. The crime rates have been
18:42
Speaker 7: going up and up and up. So do you accept
18:44
Speaker 7: that what you're doing now is not working?
18:46
Speaker 8: So what I accept is by scrapping the BDR, getting
18:48
Speaker 8: rid of the flow prices, which is what the people
18:50
Speaker 8: just putting more people giving our quo.
18:54
Speaker 3: What you're doing now, do you accept that that's not working?
18:56
Speaker 8: So I just said we've got a range of measures
18:59
Speaker 8: in place, and continue to put measures in place.
19:02
Speaker 1: Well before we do move along, I actually just want
19:04
Speaker 1: to play a little bit of audio from Alex Bruce
19:07
Speaker 1: from earlier in the week, just talking about alcohol like
19:11
Speaker 1: in public spaces. So just take a bit of a
19:13
Speaker 1: listen to what he had to say. Let me just
19:16
Speaker 1: make sure that I can actually play that.
19:17
Speaker 2: Bear with me.
19:19
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen when they changed the Act, they removed
19:22
Speaker 1: that it was a public offense, an offense to be
19:24
Speaker 1: publicly drinking.
19:25
Speaker 2: So you reckon, we're back there, You reckon, We need
19:29
Speaker 2: to actually.
19:29
Speaker 3: Do that during correct and now at the moment because
19:33
Speaker 3: it's no longer an offense.
19:34
Speaker 2: Vulnerable cohort aren't anything.
19:36
Speaker 3: Up in the watchhouses anymore.
19:37
Speaker 4: They're refusing to take the return flights that.
19:40
Speaker 1: Lariki are off of them.
19:41
Speaker 2: That is a good point to make. I'll put it
19:43
Speaker 2: to our listeners.
19:44
Speaker 1: You know, does it need to be an offense again
19:47
Speaker 1: to drink publicly?
19:48
Speaker 2: Should it be something that we are re looking into.
19:51
Speaker 1: We need to disincentivize the behavior that everyone is seeing
19:53
Speaker 1: on the streets. So have we got a situation in
19:56
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory right now where it is no longer
19:59
Speaker 1: an offense to drink in public?
20:01
Speaker 5: That's incorrect, Katie.
20:02
Speaker 8: I went back and looked at this, and we did
20:04
Speaker 8: do a new liquor Act and replaced quite an antiquated act.
20:07
Speaker 8: And I asked licensing and whether there had been any
20:10
Speaker 8: changes to that effect. They couldn't identify any. In terms
20:13
Speaker 8: of drinking in public, you cannot drink, as we know,
20:15
Speaker 8: within two kilometers of a licensed premise. In terms of
20:18
Speaker 8: there are some areas where there is local bylaws that
20:21
Speaker 8: overrule that, so people can go down and watch a
20:23
Speaker 8: sunset and have a drink. So but certainly in terms
20:26
Speaker 8: of making sure that police and counsel, I think rangers
20:30
Speaker 8: have got a really strong role to play in this,
20:32
Speaker 8: making sure that people understand that there is accommodation for
20:36
Speaker 8: them if they're in staying in town, and that our
20:38
Speaker 8: public places need to be there for so it is
20:40
Speaker 8: such a sense to drink.
20:43
Speaker 7: There was a change law if it used to be
20:45
Speaker 7: there was an offense for drinking within two kilometers. Now
20:47
Speaker 7: you're saying it's not not allowed to But is it
20:48
Speaker 7: in an offense if you get caught drinking within two
20:51
Speaker 7: k's what's the penalty.
20:52
Speaker 8: My understanding is there was no changes in that space
20:55
Speaker 8: that it is still the same as it was previously
20:57
Speaker 8: for many years in the territory.
20:58
Speaker 5: If you drink within two kilometers of a last its premise.
21:00
Speaker 2: So shouldn't we really have a situation where nobody's drinking
21:02
Speaker 2: in the.
21:03
Speaker 5: City, correct, Katie.
21:05
Speaker 8: So there is some areas where there's bylaws, like I
21:07
Speaker 8: can think of some along Nightcliff premises, Yeah, you can
21:12
Speaker 8: drink from the jed D along to Chapman Road in Nightcliff.
21:15
Speaker 5: There's some spaces at Eastport.
21:16
Speaker 8: Yeah, but yeah, sod though when this is where rangers
21:20
Speaker 8: do have that ability police obviously and so, but it's
21:24
Speaker 8: also making sure that it's easy for those authorities to
21:29
Speaker 8: implement those laws. Like you know, and this is something
21:32
Speaker 8: when I go out and I talk to police and
21:34
Speaker 8: on the beat with police. So these are the things
21:35
Speaker 8: that we're continually looking at but in terms of the
21:37
Speaker 8: comments that there was changes made with the liquor Act,
21:39
Speaker 8: I went back and looked at that and couldn't say it.
21:41
Speaker 1: Well, so I guess, you know, this is something that
21:43
Speaker 1: realistically maybe should be getting enforced more more strictly. If
21:47
Speaker 1: we if you are not meant to be drinking within
21:49
Speaker 1: a two kilometer you know, radius of takeaway alcohol outlet, well,
21:55
Speaker 1: that is certainly happening around the territory at the moment.
21:58
Speaker 7: Understanding is that if you were caught drinking, you could
22:00
Speaker 7: actually get arrested. Now that they can tip it out.
22:02
Speaker 7: The police can tip out the alcohol, but you're not
22:04
Speaker 7: actually arrested. It's not an offense to actually do it.
22:06
Speaker 7: So but I could be wrong on police.
22:08
Speaker 8: Do make and you know this Jared being a former
22:10
Speaker 8: lawyer or current lawyer, but in a different career. Police
22:12
Speaker 8: make those decisions. Authorities may cause decisions each and it,
22:15
Speaker 8: but it's not for us to We're not out there
22:17
Speaker 8: on the front of it. We're making sure that their
22:19
Speaker 8: mechanisms are as robust and easy to use as possible.
22:21
Speaker 2: And let's be honest, the police are under the pump.
22:23
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot that they're dealing with at
22:25
Speaker 2: the moment. But look, we are going to take a
22:27
Speaker 2: bit of a brud.
22:28
Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was, and we
22:30
Speaker 1: have got Jared Mayley in the studio with us, We've
22:32
Speaker 1: got Thomas Morgan, and we've got an attached to files
22:35
Speaker 1: and we have obviously been talking about some of the
22:37
Speaker 1: issues that we're experiencing around the.
22:39
Speaker 2: Northern Territory at the moment.
22:40
Speaker 1: But one of the one of the locations that we
22:43
Speaker 1: did touch on during the last break is that of
22:46
Speaker 1: what Air. Now, it's been a really interesting week, I
22:48
Speaker 1: think you'd have to say in the sense that there's
22:50
Speaker 1: been some significant housing announcements. You know, Kate Warden made
22:54
Speaker 1: a very significant housing announcement earlier in the week about
22:58
Speaker 1: the transferring of social housing to community housing providers. There
23:02
Speaker 1: was then a couple of federal announcements when it came
23:05
Speaker 1: to funding for public housing in remote communities. But then
23:10
Speaker 1: the conversation yesterday on air was largely dominated by people saying,
23:15
Speaker 1: you know, what about these homes that have been absolutely
23:17
Speaker 1: destroyed in what Air thirty seven homes in the remote community,
23:22
Speaker 1: leaving well hundreds of people without a place to live,
23:26
Speaker 1: and some of the vision.
23:27
Speaker 4: Yes, unbelievable out of what air at the moment is
23:29
Speaker 4: just shocking.
23:30
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know it's not a new thing for that township,
23:36
Speaker 6: but it is something that I think the Northern Territory
23:38
Speaker 6: government need to really start to be proactive on.
23:41
Speaker 8: I know that.
23:41
Speaker 6: I think Madison was talking yesterday about the work that
23:44
Speaker 6: they'd done at sort of subdivisions and moving people to
23:47
Speaker 6: sort of prevent this sort of flair outbursts of violence.
23:50
Speaker 6: But has that worked and whether more needs to be
23:53
Speaker 6: done now?
23:54
Speaker 8: So what is a complex one and it's different traditional
23:57
Speaker 8: owners coming together and Jared being a long term territory
23:59
Speaker 8: and would get as well, and having been out there
24:01
Speaker 8: multiple times. It's there's a different part of the community.
24:05
Speaker 8: It's sort of across and away and that community members
24:09
Speaker 8: have housing and there's more housing going in there.
24:12
Speaker 5: But it's completely unacceptable what happened to mean people can.
24:14
Speaker 8: Be charged if they're vandalized and destroyed public housing, that's
24:17
Speaker 8: an offense.
24:18
Speaker 5: They can be charged.
24:18
Speaker 8: But these are incredibly complex issues working with the traditional
24:22
Speaker 8: owners for that leadership in community to.
24:24
Speaker 2: Tap it.
24:26
Speaker 3: Because it's just unacceptable.
24:27
Speaker 8: Im understanding that would be a question for the police minister.
24:29
Speaker 8: But additional police resources have gone out there.
24:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the TRG had gone out there, but
24:34
Speaker 1: maybe I've read that wrong. I know that i'd seen
24:37
Speaker 1: Territory Support Services Superintendent Sewan Gill on the news overnight.
24:41
Speaker 1: But it does seem like it's a terrible situation right now.
24:45
Speaker 1: And you're right, Folesy. We know that over the years
24:47
Speaker 1: there has been unreached out there. I remember I started
24:51
Speaker 1: my media career with the Northern Territory Police many many
24:54
Speaker 1: years ago and remember traveling out there with the then
24:57
Speaker 1: police Commissioner and he I'd sat down with the women
25:01
Speaker 1: of the community talking about their concerns around violence and
25:04
Speaker 1: and all sorts of different things. But there is no
25:08
Speaker 1: doubt that you know that vision that we're saying. You
25:10
Speaker 1: just think there's children that are out there, there are
25:12
Speaker 1: families that are out there. We've got to make sure
25:14
Speaker 1: people are safe. But I don't know exactly what you
25:17
Speaker 1: can do.
25:17
Speaker 7: And you know what really concerns me. People do seem
25:19
Speaker 7: to think, oh, it's been happening for a while, it's
25:21
Speaker 7: the norm.
25:21
Speaker 3: It's just not the norm.
25:22
Speaker 7: It's unacceptable and something needs to be done because you
25:24
Speaker 7: imagine the family that who aren't involved in the violence
25:26
Speaker 7: because there's a lot of people who live in Port
25:28
Speaker 7: Keids who would see this and they would have nowhere
25:30
Speaker 7: to live, they'd feel unsafe in the home.
25:32
Speaker 3: Whover might be.
25:33
Speaker 7: It just it just really shows that the whole, that
25:37
Speaker 7: whole policy has failed out that area.
25:39
Speaker 6: And it was my understanding too that the local Development
25:41
Speaker 6: Corporation out there raised concerns last year they had asked
25:45
Speaker 6: the Chief Minister to put together a sort of strategy
25:49
Speaker 6: to deal with these sorts of tensions in the community
25:52
Speaker 6: out and whatever. I don't believe we've seen any sort
25:56
Speaker 6: of strategy from the Chief Minister's office, or from the
25:59
Speaker 6: Policemaniser or from the police as to how to deal
26:01
Speaker 6: with this apart from being reactive sending more police out
26:05
Speaker 6: there when violence does.
26:06
Speaker 8: So just on that we have been out there, we
26:08
Speaker 8: hold a community cabinet out there and met with traditional owners,
26:11
Speaker 8: local leadership, the women and children, and there certainly has
26:15
Speaker 8: been placed looking at the different interagencies. So the school
26:18
Speaker 8: up there's a Catholic school working with the local corporation
26:21
Speaker 8: making sure there's a fantastic little recall and making sure
26:24
Speaker 8: that there's activities because it's a big community, there's many
26:26
Speaker 8: thousands of people and you need to make sure there's activities,
26:29
Speaker 8: you know, working to get the pullback online things like that.
26:31
Speaker 8: So there certainly has been that work undertaken. Whether it's
26:34
Speaker 8: been published in a plan as such, but there's certainly
26:36
Speaker 8: been work that's been centrally coordinated from the Department of
26:39
Speaker 8: Chief Minister and Cabinet.
26:41
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit more about more broadly about
26:43
Speaker 1: some of our remote communities at the moment, because we
26:45
Speaker 1: know that this situation with alcohol in communities is one
26:48
Speaker 1: which is going to be The legislation is coming into
26:52
Speaker 1: Parliament in the next two weeks or whenever parliament's sitting
26:55
Speaker 1: in so it's going to be debated. So we've got
26:58
Speaker 1: that situation right now with these liquor licenses on remote communities.
27:03
Speaker 1: It's continuing to be discussed, there's no doubt about that.
27:05
Speaker 1: But there are three indigenous groups who are calling on
27:08
Speaker 1: the Northern Territory government to immediately shelve this legislation that
27:11
Speaker 1: could allow takeaway alcohol into more than four hundred and
27:14
Speaker 1: thirty community living areas, town camps and other small communities
27:18
Speaker 1: from mid July. We caught up with AMSAZ John Patterson
27:22
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, and he had said that there'd
27:24
Speaker 1: been no consultation in this space.
27:28
Speaker 2: We spoke about this earlier in the week. I was
27:31
Speaker 2: really surprised.
27:32
Speaker 1: I thought, based on our previous conversations that what was
27:35
Speaker 1: going to happen is essentially communities would be dry unless
27:39
Speaker 1: they opted in to have alcohol, whereas it seems it's
27:43
Speaker 1: more a situation where everybody can have takeaway alcohol unless
27:47
Speaker 1: they opt out.
27:48
Speaker 8: So, Katie, there's two different parts to this, and we
27:50
Speaker 8: spoke about this. The liquor licensing and a licensed club
27:52
Speaker 8: or license venue still have to go through the territory processes,
27:56
Speaker 8: so that just parked that for a minute. This we
27:58
Speaker 8: had the Intervention under John Howard. It was then Stronger
28:01
Speaker 8: Futures under Jenny Macklin, and that act did not comply
28:06
Speaker 8: with the Racial Discrimination Act at a Commonwealth level. The
28:08
Speaker 8: Commonwealth Stronger Futures legislation comes to an end in July
28:12
Speaker 8: and there has been no you know, the common Wealth
28:15
Speaker 8: are not continuing that. So what we have introduced is
28:18
Speaker 8: a bill that would allow communities to opt in to
28:21
Speaker 8: remain dry. We cannot make every community dry. That would
28:25
Speaker 8: intersect with the Antidiscrimination Act. I believe, and certainly the
28:28
Speaker 8: Racial Discrimination Act. So we're providing that pathway for communities
28:32
Speaker 8: if they wish. It's up to them and local leadership
28:35
Speaker 8: to decide. This is an incredibly complex space.
28:37
Speaker 7: The Seal Peace support local decision making, So I want
28:40
Speaker 7: to start and make that point. But effectively, the Labor
28:42
Speaker 7: government have known this legislation is going to end in
28:44
Speaker 7: July for ten years. That's how long it's been in force.
28:46
Speaker 7: So where has the program has been put in place
28:49
Speaker 7: to support these communities? Because I grog's going to start
28:51
Speaker 7: running and there's going to be rivers of grog running
28:53
Speaker 7: into these communities. We've already seen the alcohol problems that
28:56
Speaker 7: happen out there now and if it gets worse, you
28:58
Speaker 7: know what programs and what help have the Labor government
29:01
Speaker 7: done to these communities in the pre planning to fix that.
29:04
Speaker 7: Because we know it's going to happen in July, John
29:06
Speaker 7: in a number of months away, we've known about this
29:08
Speaker 7: date for ten years. So my question is what is
29:11
Speaker 7: the Labor government done to actually get ready for this?
29:13
Speaker 7: And I think the answer is nothing.
29:14
Speaker 8: Well, there's been an enormous body of work done and
29:16
Speaker 8: you can see that through there's been a number of
29:18
Speaker 8: communities that have taken alcohol management plans to the Commonwealth
29:21
Speaker 8: because they had to be approved by the Federal Minister
29:24
Speaker 8: for Indigenous Affairs, so it was sentert to Nigel Scullion
29:26
Speaker 8: and then Ken White and so you have seen different
29:30
Speaker 8: communities come forward with their olcohol management plan and some
29:32
Speaker 8: of them do want license venues in those clubs, but
29:35
Speaker 8: under the legislation nothing could happen. So this has been
29:38
Speaker 8: something that communities have been looking at and there has
29:40
Speaker 8: been communities recently Barunga for example, did get their alcohol
29:44
Speaker 8: management plan and their lequal license it came through. So
29:47
Speaker 8: it is a transitional period, but we are providing that
29:49
Speaker 8: opportunity for communities to opt in and remain dry.
29:52
Speaker 6: And the assessment though that just Into Price made that
29:56
Speaker 6: it will open the floodgates.
29:57
Speaker 4: Is that a legitimate So.
30:00
Speaker 8: The question I would ask back to just Enterprices, would
30:02
Speaker 8: she like to continue the suspension of the Racial Discrimination
30:05
Speaker 8: Act and have a paternalistic policy where we say no
30:09
Speaker 8: alcohol in these communities.
30:10
Speaker 5: We're putting that place there for them, but they have
30:12
Speaker 5: to opt in.
30:13
Speaker 8: We have to have as we just heard from Jered
30:15
Speaker 8: that local decision making leadership are you worried.
30:18
Speaker 1: Though about and I did ask you this earlier in
30:20
Speaker 1: the week, are you concerned about the fact that every
30:22
Speaker 1: community will be able to have that takeaway alcohol and
30:26
Speaker 1: are we going to have the support networks in those communities,
30:31
Speaker 1: you know, enough medical stuff, enough police in some different
30:34
Speaker 1: communities to be able to deal with that. I know
30:37
Speaker 1: that the Police Association had said earlier in the week
30:39
Speaker 1: that they're concerned.
30:40
Speaker 8: So we've been actively working with police because it means
30:44
Speaker 8: it's not that takeaway alcohol will suddenly be available in
30:47
Speaker 8: the communities now people can take it there because it
30:49
Speaker 8: won't be a dry committee unless they opt in. So
30:52
Speaker 8: this is a change in policy. But we do not
30:54
Speaker 8: believe in continuing a race based policy and suspending the
30:57
Speaker 8: Racial Discrimination Act.
30:58
Speaker 5: We don't have that ability anyway. So the Commonwealth is
31:01
Speaker 5: not I mean, you.
31:02
Speaker 8: Read a question for the common crisis. Absolutely the intervention
31:06
Speaker 8: and stronger futures. It is well documented that it you know,
31:09
Speaker 8: there was complaints that went to the United Nations about
31:12
Speaker 8: that piece of legislation that is ending the Commonwealth. I mean,
31:15
Speaker 8: it's a question for Comwealth representatives, but no one's indicated
31:18
Speaker 8: that they're going to continue that. So what we're doing
31:21
Speaker 8: is in a legislative framework allowing community. So take the
31:25
Speaker 8: community of Nookah for example, they can opt in and
31:29
Speaker 8: remain dry. They may at some point say actually, we'd
31:32
Speaker 8: like to have a license venue. Because there is and
31:34
Speaker 8: this is a complex issue. There are the communities where
31:37
Speaker 8: licensed venues work and there are communities where it's head designers.
31:39
Speaker 3: You've got a plan. If someone wants to opt in
31:41
Speaker 3: remain how do they do that?
31:42
Speaker 1: So that is what the.
31:43
Speaker 5: Legislation is jar and I look forward to our debates
31:45
Speaker 5: and that's what the legislation.
31:48
Speaker 8: That hasn't so the Department of Chief Minister and Cabinet
31:51
Speaker 8: has been This has been a conversation that's been continuing
31:54
Speaker 8: for some time. Formal letters went out. My understanding is
31:56
Speaker 8: this week, once the legislation passes a community, that community
32:00
Speaker 8: makes a decision and they opt in for up to
32:02
Speaker 8: two years, and they may only opt in for six months,
32:04
Speaker 8: and then the community might decide note they just want
32:07
Speaker 8: to continue that, or they might decide actually, rather than
32:09
Speaker 8: people you know, drinking with secondary supply leaving community, we
32:13
Speaker 8: want to control it. And there's some really good examples
32:16
Speaker 8: of licensed venues and in remote steals and absolutely, Katie
32:19
Speaker 8: what you said nursing police, it can be an absolute
32:22
Speaker 8: night way.
32:23
Speaker 7: For about on liquorac there's restricted areas in place before
32:25
Speaker 7: this legislation. As those restricted areas are they still going
32:28
Speaker 7: to be restricted areas under the Liquor Act.
32:30
Speaker 8: I have to take that question on notice, and I'm
32:31
Speaker 8: sure you'll ask me in the committee stage. But this
32:33
Speaker 8: legislation that's been introduced so sitting on the notice paper
32:36
Speaker 8: will be debated in the main sittings.
32:39
Speaker 5: I assume it will pass with the support of my colleagues.
32:42
Speaker 8: It will then allow in July when the stronger future sunsets,
32:44
Speaker 8: when it just goes that a community can opt in
32:47
Speaker 8: and remain a dry community for the period of time
32:50
Speaker 8: that they choose.
32:51
Speaker 7: That's who concerns me. We're talking to know that this
32:53
Speaker 7: is going to end in thirty June for a number
32:55
Speaker 7: of years. I'll just asked you a question about whether
32:57
Speaker 7: the restrict areas apply. You see you going to take
32:58
Speaker 7: that on notice. We're only number of months ago and
33:01
Speaker 7: you don't answer a question all that, So how the
33:02
Speaker 7: community understand what's going on likek into it? If you
33:04
Speaker 7: can't answer that question now and you're a health minister
33:06
Speaker 7: and you're the alcohol policy minister. I know we're going
33:08
Speaker 7: to debate it and I accept that. But our debate
33:11
Speaker 7: in Parliament will be a debate. But how the information
33:14
Speaker 7: going to flow under these community can make a decision
33:16
Speaker 7: Because the next question is if they're going to have
33:17
Speaker 7: a meeting and there's one hundred people vote and fifty
33:20
Speaker 7: one says yes we want to opt in or opt out?
33:22
Speaker 7: What about the forty nine that don't want it? Has
33:24
Speaker 7: all that going to well?
33:26
Speaker 8: Raised the point I think that you're alcohol across our community.
33:28
Speaker 8: I don't think it's an issue that just sits.
33:30
Speaker 2: To a bridge.
33:31
Speaker 3: Alcohol can't just fish my point.
33:32
Speaker 8: There's people in downtown Darwin that goes, you know what,
33:35
Speaker 8: I'd rather not have alcohol.
33:36
Speaker 5: It causes so much harm. But there's other people that
33:39
Speaker 5: are entitled.
33:39
Speaker 8: It's illegal drugs, so we have to accept that and
33:42
Speaker 8: it's about providing a legislative framework that is the safest possible.
33:45
Speaker 1: Have you had any indication at this point in time
33:48
Speaker 1: as to whether there are going to be communities that
33:50
Speaker 1: are deciding that they want to stay dry.
33:53
Speaker 8: So, Katie, there's around four hundred and it goes from
33:56
Speaker 8: town camps to outstations, so they can be very small
33:59
Speaker 8: areas just ten people through to the quite large remote communities.
34:03
Speaker 8: So in terms there is a range of views. Some
34:05
Speaker 8: people don't want to have see our coole come in
34:07
Speaker 8: and others you know, looking forward to the opportunity to
34:10
Speaker 8: explore a liquor license and provide it.
34:12
Speaker 6: And so these communities can they indicate that they want
34:14
Speaker 6: to opt out or opt in before this legislation comes
34:17
Speaker 6: into force.
34:18
Speaker 8: Correct, that's the work that we're doing now because it
34:20
Speaker 8: will have obviously you know, in terms of an impact
34:23
Speaker 8: on the ability of government services.
34:25
Speaker 5: So we're getting that understand So.
34:27
Speaker 6: When the Commonwealth legislation sunsets, it can mean it won't
34:30
Speaker 6: be a free for all. It won't be like then
34:32
Speaker 6: they've got to start the process of opting in.
34:33
Speaker 8: Or so it's we're working, sorry to cut you off
34:36
Speaker 8: their time, we're working to go from that legislation would
34:38
Speaker 8: cease and then this and t legislation would commence and
34:42
Speaker 8: they can seamlessly go through that. All right, there will
34:44
Speaker 8: be communities that don't knoped in and we you know,
34:46
Speaker 8: this is a challenge on this and yeah, and I.
34:48
Speaker 2: Think this is the thing, you know, that it needs
34:51
Speaker 2: to be something that is community led.
34:52
Speaker 1: If they're in a situation where they want to be
34:54
Speaker 1: dry or want to stay dry, then that should be
34:57
Speaker 1: a decision that they can make. Particularly, you know when
34:59
Speaker 1: you talk about the safety of women and children. I
35:02
Speaker 1: think it's really very important. But we will take a
35:04
Speaker 1: very short break. You are listening to mix on O
35:06
Speaker 1: four point nine is three sixty. When we come back,
35:08
Speaker 1: I'm keen to talk about this discussion about a stadium
35:11
Speaker 1: in the studio with me. We've got Natanja Files, Thomas
35:14
Speaker 1: Morgan and Jared Mayley.
35:19
Speaker 2: Well, every time we'll go that North.
35:21
Speaker 1: Queen saying Cowboy Cowboys, it's certainly yeah, certainly will and
35:27
Speaker 1: I believe Sam Higgins George who does our news in
35:30
Speaker 1: the morning, se was telling me that they both had
35:32
Speaker 1: when they've played against each other, twenty wins on each side.
35:35
Speaker 1: So each team, when they've played against each other over
35:37
Speaker 1: the years, twenty wins on each side.
35:39
Speaker 2: So it is going to be a tight match, I reckon,
35:42
Speaker 2: but go the Cowboys.
35:44
Speaker 3: Paramedic to come on top.
35:45
Speaker 6: We know that I know they're not.
35:46
Speaker 1: Anyway, Let's talk about footy, but probably of a different
35:49
Speaker 1: kind because this stadium Tom, you have been covering this
35:53
Speaker 1: quite extensively throughout the week. You obtained a copy of
35:56
Speaker 1: the Darwin Stadium Advocacy Doccupent prepared by Price Waterhouse Coopers,
36:01
Speaker 1: which raised the prospect that this stadium could play a
36:05
Speaker 1: role in hosting events for the twenty thirty two Brisbane
36:08
Speaker 1: Olympic Games, various other things, but of course AFL and.
36:12
Speaker 4: Monster Trucks as well.
36:13
Speaker 6: That was one other thing that brought up Southeast Asian
36:16
Speaker 6: Football and the Indian Premier League as well. So there's
36:19
Speaker 6: lots of potential opportunities that Sean Bowden from the AFLNT
36:23
Speaker 6: has obviously been working on this for quite a while
36:26
Speaker 6: and he basically told me this week that you know,
36:29
Speaker 6: this advocacy document had been completed, the enthusiasm that they
36:33
Speaker 6: had been getting from I guess various stakeholder groups. They
36:36
Speaker 6: were saying, look, could even move into the into the
36:40
Speaker 6: business case phase pretty soon, in which case then they
36:44
Speaker 6: can take it to various governments such as the Northern
36:47
Speaker 6: Territory government, such as the federal government and apply for funding.
36:50
Speaker 4: So it's a very exciting proposal.
36:52
Speaker 6: I just I guess will map It depends on if
36:55
Speaker 6: there's anyone up there in Canberra or in the anti
36:58
Speaker 6: government who are willing to put money toward it well.
37:00
Speaker 1: And he's sort of indicated to me that if there
37:02
Speaker 1: was private investment that that would go a long way.
37:05
Speaker 1: Kate Warden, when I asked her about this yesterday, she
37:07
Speaker 1: said that we were sort of putting the cart before
37:10
Speaker 1: the horse in the sense that we need to have
37:12
Speaker 1: a Northern Territory.
37:13
Speaker 2: AFL team first. But you know, I don't know.
37:18
Speaker 1: Look, I just the thing that I always think to
37:20
Speaker 1: myself is where are we getting the money from.
37:22
Speaker 7: I think that's great idea, a business case. I think
37:26
Speaker 7: it's a great idea to have it, there's no question.
37:27
Speaker 7: But we're need a business case because you know all
37:29
Speaker 7: want to go and buy McGain as well.
37:31
Speaker 3: But can you afford it? That's the big question. You
37:32
Speaker 3: already that's for sure.
37:35
Speaker 7: Eight billion dollars worth of debt or you know, but
37:37
Speaker 7: it's the government's going to pop it on and put
37:39
Speaker 7: money on it. I don't know, but we need to
37:40
Speaker 7: get that business case because we can't have if you
37:43
Speaker 7: can't afford it.
37:43
Speaker 8: And what I can say is the territory is really
37:46
Speaker 8: well placed in terms of international sports and events because
37:50
Speaker 8: of our locality, so when you look towards the subcontinent
37:53
Speaker 8: and the television market that's there, we're on a similar
37:56
Speaker 8: time zone, the same with Southeast Asia, like that East
37:59
Speaker 8: Coast time zone just pushes them out of the picture.
38:01
Speaker 8: So you know, there is exciting times ahead in terms
38:03
Speaker 8: of the territory for events, but we do need to
38:05
Speaker 8: make sure we've got the business case. And you know,
38:08
Speaker 8: that AFL team for the territory something that's been long
38:10
Speaker 8: talked about.
38:12
Speaker 1: That's right, it's been a It certainly has, but also
38:14
Speaker 1: hasn't Tasmania they're about to get their own AFL team,
38:17
Speaker 1: aren't they. So there it would make things uneven. They
38:20
Speaker 1: need another AFL team surely, and it should be.
38:22
Speaker 8: The territory in a letter and send it to the
38:24
Speaker 8: AFL will for just because it's uneven.
38:26
Speaker 5: It should be the territory U.
38:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, because we don't want to.
38:28
Speaker 7: We want to make sure that if there's any tax
38:30
Speaker 7: payers money going this, it needs to make sure the
38:32
Speaker 7: government due there due dilliens. We don't want to that
38:34
Speaker 7: ten million dollar water bottle for Nut's goo or a
38:36
Speaker 7: fifty six mill dollar prawn problem. If it's going to
38:39
Speaker 7: go and put money in it. We need to make
38:40
Speaker 7: sure it's going to work, because if it's good, good.
38:42
Speaker 3: As to it.
38:43
Speaker 6: And there were some people this week saying, oh, why
38:45
Speaker 6: don't we spend the money on housing or on the
38:47
Speaker 6: hospital system, And my root response to that would be,
38:50
Speaker 6: it's not an either or proposition. We should be lobbying
38:52
Speaker 6: camera for every dollar we can get. I think that
38:55
Speaker 6: a stadium in Darwin, CBD would pay itself off running
38:59
Speaker 6: for parliament. I just think that deserves a prominent stadium
39:05
Speaker 6: that sort of brings the city together.
39:06
Speaker 1: It's true territory, Nay, it's interesting discussions. And just to
39:10
Speaker 1: go back to my Cowboys, we know that they're not
39:14
Speaker 1: in North queenso we know that when you know when
39:17
Speaker 1: North queenso when that for when that team was first created,
39:20
Speaker 1: what it did for North Queensland was enormous and what
39:23
Speaker 1: it did for junior.
39:24
Speaker 2: Football was absolutely outstanding.
39:27
Speaker 1: And they have been in a situation now where they've
39:29
Speaker 1: obviously built another stadium and it's and it's fantastic for
39:33
Speaker 1: the region. But I do wonder, you know, I'm sort
39:35
Speaker 1: of on the side of the fence where I think
39:37
Speaker 1: I reckon we need to lock in that team before
39:40
Speaker 1: we go ahead and build a stadium so that it
39:42
Speaker 1: gets used enough.
39:43
Speaker 6: At AFL and Tire also saying it's not just the
39:47
Speaker 6: stadium that they want. They also want if this stadium
39:49
Speaker 6: is to be built, they also want funding for facilities
39:52
Speaker 6: in remote communities, change rooms for both boys and girls,
39:55
Speaker 6: lighting new fields properly grassed, and water and all that.
39:59
Speaker 6: So it's not just let's build a massive stadium in
40:02
Speaker 6: dial and leave everywhere else well.
40:04
Speaker 2: We need change rooms for boys and girls.
40:06
Speaker 1: Under the Northern Territory government's new policy when it comes
40:09
Speaker 1: to those kinds of things, Tom.
40:12
Speaker 2: It was remember a couple of weeks ago, that was
40:14
Speaker 2: certainly what we were discussing.
40:16
Speaker 1: But this is, you know, it is very interesting to
40:18
Speaker 1: see exactly what is going to going to happen if
40:21
Speaker 1: it goes ahead.
40:22
Speaker 2: I don't know.
40:22
Speaker 7: You remember, if I build the stadium, there's got to
40:24
Speaker 7: be a whole lot of infrastructure around that stadium. We
40:26
Speaker 7: don't have any public transport here that works effectively, and
40:28
Speaker 7: they're going to be you know, thirty forty thousand people
40:31
Speaker 7: filing to a stadium where they're going to stay, how
40:33
Speaker 7: they're going to get there. All those infrastructure problems need
40:35
Speaker 7: to be they talked it down before. I'm just I'm
40:39
Speaker 7: just don't want tax post only to be a wasted out.
40:41
Speaker 7: The prawn farm fifty six million dollars gone, ten million
40:43
Speaker 7: dollars in the ward bottle.
40:44
Speaker 3: Industry gone, So we need to there is no doubt
40:48
Speaker 3: that actually benefit to the charity, not a burden.
40:51
Speaker 8: Yeah, you got to do your home talking about sport
40:52
Speaker 8: Katie tomorrow night the darl and salties as well getting underway.
40:57
Speaker 1: Well, look we'll take a really quick break and then
40:58
Speaker 1: we might come back and and we'll find out what
41:00
Speaker 1: is happening for the weekend. You are listening to Mix
41:03
Speaker 1: one O four nine's three six. Well, we have just
41:05
Speaker 1: about run out of time. But in the studio with
41:08
Speaker 1: us the Health Minister and Attasha Files, Thomas Morgan from
41:10
Speaker 1: the NT News and the Deputy Opposition leader Jared Maylee Filesy,
41:15
Speaker 1: I've got a question here, Hi, Katie and team, could
41:17
Speaker 1: you ask the Health Minister if local labor members have
41:21
Speaker 1: been asked to distance themselves from the federal candidates.
41:27
Speaker 2: You must have.
41:30
Speaker 7: I'll get a picture for you their own bat. I'm
41:33
Speaker 7: pretty sure what the you're doing off their own bat.
41:36
Speaker 2: Have you been asked to campaign jered with the candidates.
41:40
Speaker 3: I've been out with Tena McFarlane. I've been out with
41:42
Speaker 3: Damien the.
41:43
Speaker 4: Whole picture.
41:46
Speaker 2: Yesterday.
41:47
Speaker 5: What's his thoughts on.
41:48
Speaker 3: I haven't been with him yet.
41:49
Speaker 8: Changing me.
41:50
Speaker 3: I'm going to kick out the moment.
41:51
Speaker 4: Change he might come on the time this weekend my understanding.
41:56
Speaker 1: There you go, Well, should be interesting. Everybody's here and
41:59
Speaker 1: like you said earlier, Tom, it's not even the dry
42:00
Speaker 1: season yet.
42:01
Speaker 2: In fact, it's pretty warm. But there is going to
42:03
Speaker 2: be a cracking weekend. There is so much on.
42:05
Speaker 1: We've got the NRL, We've got the salties that so
42:08
Speaker 1: they've got their first game.
42:09
Speaker 8: Yeah, really exciting NBO one that Darwin salties men's and
42:13
Speaker 8: women's teams. There's tickets still available, there's some general emission tickets,
42:18
Speaker 8: but should be really great out at Marara.
42:20
Speaker 5: Just fantastic.
42:21
Speaker 8: Darwin can feel like a you know, some of those
42:23
Speaker 8: capital cities into state with multiple sports on level, so awesome.
42:27
Speaker 1: Awesome stuff. Well that's it for us this morning. I
42:30
Speaker 1: mean I've still got to do another two hours.
42:34
Speaker 2: And that's it for the week.
42:35
Speaker 6: That was.
42:36
Speaker 2: Thank you all so very much for your time, and
42:38
Speaker 2: we'll catch you again next week. Thank you.