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Grooming Boys Into Cults, Self-Deletion, Violence and Transmaxxing With Bx | Fireside Chat 245 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everyone, and welcome to the Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian
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  and I am joined by Bex or Becca. Thank you Rebecca for coming on
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  the show. This is the fireside Chat. And yes, the the camera
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  is working like I thought, so even though it's frozen in here, it's
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  good with you. So, yeah, like my name? Can I change
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  my name to b X? Oh? Yeah, I can change it.
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  I'm sorry, was that? Did I like? Did I? Yeah?
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  No, no, yeah, people know my name. It's just like,
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  well Becca, like my mom calls me Rebecca when she's mad at me.
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  But that's it. Oh am, I am I giving you PTSD like my
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  grandma mom PTSD. I get it. Let me, let me change it
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  really quick. I'll just make it was b X. And then I thought
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  that looks maybe too informal, but we'll just do that. Okay, So
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  welcome back to the show. Bex. What do you want me to call
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  you? Can I call you Rebecca? Rebecca? I knew I knew a
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  girl when I worked. Yeah, when I was in uh I worked at
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  an art supply store years ago. I was a manager there and one of
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  my employees she was a good friend of mine. Her name was Rebecca.
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  We called her Becky all the time. So Hi Becky in Minnesota, all
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  right, but anyway, so welcome to the show. Beck's Becca, And
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  the reason why I wanted to bring you on is mostly because of all the
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  incredible research you do. We've talked up in the past about how the Department
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  of Homeland Security and all these other sort of government agencies have been spying on
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  and putting their fingers into all kinds of online spaces, particularly spaces where men
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  you know, tend to like congregate with each other for whatever reason, in
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  cell forums and other sort of you know, other parts of the male occupied
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  spaces of the inner I'm sure it's not exclusively that, but that that's kind
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  of like how we got to talking, and I really appreciated the work that
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  you were doing, and it was a real eye opener for people that was
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  watching. To what degree, you know, the government and all these sort
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  of other organizations in bed with them have been kind of like moving around these
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  spaces. But since then there's been other stuff. I saw that you were
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  on site scrollers with Stuttering Craig and you were talking about I didn't watch the
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  whole thing, but your your stream actually got like cut off or dropped or
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  something. Right, Yeah, that was so weird. Right, I'm trying
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  to figure out what's going on with my pictures. It look bad on your
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  end. No, it doesn't look bad on my end? All wait,
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  wait does it that? Like on YouTube? It's like all messed up.
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  I'm wondering if there's like a setting that I don't have, like you're like
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  you're blurry or something. Yeah, hold on, yeah, go ahead.
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  Yeah, it doesn't give me any kind of a billy to change the settings,
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  so I guess it just stuck this way. But well, yeah,
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  I mean, I don't know if there's a way for me to raise the
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  frame rate. It's on my end. I'm probably just an idiot. Did
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  you use the kamlink four K? Is that what it's supposed to be using?
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  Yeah, okay, it tells me what camera is. I'm just dumb.
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  It's just my my YouTube settings and I'm just a more Ah, I
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  see, I see rumble that you look so okay, okay, okay,
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  yeah, anyway, so you were on side scrollers and what were you just
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  in short? Like, what were you trying to bring to their attention there
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  or what was that about? Yeah? So when it was the same stuff
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  that I'd been talking about with you. Basically, it's funny because you know,
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  I tend to get into these situations where I will start talking about something
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  and nobody will really listen. Well, you listened, obviously. I mean,
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  I guess you have a little bit more reason to listen to this specific
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  thing, but you know, nobody really paid that much attention. I guess
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  at the time that I was trying to expose another arm of that same grant
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  funding program, right, that had to do with gamers. So, I
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  mean I had seen this a year ago when I was doing the same type
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  of research we talked about last time. I had seen that the DHS Homeland
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  Security TVTP program was also being used to fund these like esports teams that were
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  like really creepy. I mean like they were like basically Homeland Security was like
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  teaming up with these marketing experts to form esports organizations that sole purpose was to
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  like study these kids for counter terrorism purposes, right and here towards like middle
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  schoolers. And it was just weird. I just like reading it was just
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  sitting really wrong with me. And so I still in the blocks, I
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  think that isn't that like a kid's thing. I'm not even sure. Minecraft
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  I think is the one that they did more openly, but there were also
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  some that weren't as open about the fact that they were just counter terrorism programs,
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  and it was really it was creepy, And so when the gamer Gate
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  stuff started to come out, I was like, yes, I have seen
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  this, and yes it was linked to a bunch of DEI stuff that doesn't
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  have anything to do with counter terrorism and doesn't prevent terrorism in any way.
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  I mean, it's pretty silly to think that by forcing diversity onto video games
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  you're somehow going to end racism or when really all it does is just create
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  more pushback, right, and more validation for the legitimate bad actors that are
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  in video games praying on days and trying to indoctrinate them into radical ideologies that
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  does exist. But pushing DEI, like there's it's like, you know,
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  step one push DEI, step three in terrorism, and it's like, how
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  how do you link that? You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  it's like it's like using really yeah yeah, it's like using the stuff that's
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  already like that's going on on the internet that might be like kind of sketchy
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  as a precedent to actually just like you know, monitor citizens and like remove
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  our freedoms essentially, right wrote our freedom just like we saw with the Manisphere
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  of stuff. Yes, it is absolutely used to censor people. And then
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  you know, on the other end of the spectrum, you've got these these
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  companies that just do DEI stuff, and that's what they want to push.
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  They want they have an agenda that's not has nothing to do with terrorism,
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  right, and they they weasel their way into this grant funding program and try
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  to like make up some crazy explanations about how it reduces terrorism to get the
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  money so that they can push DEI and have the funding to do it.
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  So it's just really crooked and corrupt. And and that's what I was talking
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  about on there was like this this counter terrorism machinery that a lot of people
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  don't even know exists, that funds a lot of stuff in this online space.
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  Yeah, it's being a witch. Did you know about this story?
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  I got this story from Reclaim the Net and it's it's entitled State Department wants
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  to use video games to tackle Ukraine disinformation? Did you did you hear about
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  that? I'm gonna share my screws at all. I will I will send
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  you the link. I'll send you the link. And inoculation or or pre
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  bunking. So rather than h you know, debunking bad information or you know,
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  malicious information. Uh, they tried to inoculate people to it early on
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  by basically seeing it into propaganda. I mean, it is propaganda. It's
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  like they're but they're trying to say, but it's good propaganda. It's for
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  the good guys, the good kind, right. The decision there, and
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  I'm I'm the type of person who's pretty much against all propaganda. You know.
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  I want to see us have a freedom of thought. Again, I
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  don't feel like we have any freedoms at all if we don't have freedom of
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  thought. So that's absolutely absolutely so. Yeah, I was bringing this up
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  because we're going to be getting into some We've talked a lot about the state,
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  you know, and these are sort of like of the GMOs. Would
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  that be a fair way to describe them. That's why I meant to say,
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  not GMOs organization. Yeah yeah, not Yeah, different topic, these
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  NGOs and their involvement. But there's other things to this, Uh that might
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  be too spicy for YouTube. So what I what I was gonna do.
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  Guys, if you're watching on YouTube, there is a link in the description
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  to Rumble to this video on Rumble. And we're gonna stay on Twitter because
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  Twitter seems to be okay with the spicier content. Elon doesn't seem to have
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  too much of a problem with it. But we are going to be cutting
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  off the stream on YouTube and Twitch and Facebook because those places are totally not
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  going to be cool with what we might be getting into. But we're gonna
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  be talking about just in brief and maybe you can give like a basic overview
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  of this. We're gonna be looking at the Order of nine angels angels or
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  angles nine angles, Okay, the Order of nine angles seven sixty four,
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  which is what's a short way to describe it that's probably like somewhat safe for
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  YouTube. Well, it's a it's a child predator and exploitation and extortion network
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  that's basically grooms kids into self harm and sexual exploitation and then extorts them into
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  providing more and more type of violent content. It's been linked to the Order
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  of nine Angles though. That's something that I've been researching very heavily trying to
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  figure out what the exact relationship is because most of the major networks that are
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  well now that the mainstream has stepped in to cover it, thank god,
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  because if you were following me earlier this year, I was the only one
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  talking about it, and people were calling me crazy. And then the you
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  know, the cavalry came in and now we have Wired and Washington Posts and
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  all these places that have been talking about it. But you know, the
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  I think that the nine to eight link is pretty tenuous that people don't really
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  understand it. So that's what I've been kind of digging into myself to try
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  to understand better. But in general, the seven six four stuff started as
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  a Minecraft community, probably a decade ago. Little little hacker kids it'll want
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  to be hacker kids right started doxing their friends and extorting them and getting them
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  to do mess up stelf on video, and it became this kind of gross
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  metastasized into this gross kind of community of kids doing messed up stuff. At
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  some point, though recently or within the past few years, I believe it
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  was infiltrated by the Order of Nine Angles, which is the I think We've
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  talked about that briefly. Before. You know, they did the same thing
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  with in cell community. It's not like the Order of Nine Angles, the
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  Satanic Neo Nazi organization. It's not like they created in cells. They just
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  saw a target community that was vulnerable and they knew that they could get in
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  there and try to influence them to do basically domestic terrorism types of Yeah,
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  they're like radical accelerationists. Is that a fair way to describe it? Yes,
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  yes, yes, but they use other vulnerable young men to sort of
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  like do their do this work for them whatever? Right, You're not going
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  to see Order nine Angles going out and committing a shooting and then going we
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  did this the Order of Nine Angles, well, you know, like you
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  would see isis or someone do Instead, you're going to see an in cell
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  do it and did it? I did it for the in cells, right,
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  And and that's why it's so hard to track these guys, because you
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  know, you have really no way of knowing who who they were provoking and
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  and what what like internet website they were doing it on, right, And
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  so that's what we've been kind of digging into really deeply, trying to kind
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  of untangle and shine a light on this stuff, which is pretty danger So
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  she can might imagine it's pretty dangerous territory. These guys don't like to be
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  brought into the light, so they fight back pretty pretty hard and well.
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  And it actually kind of makes me think because it's funny too, because the
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  media reports on these things and they only focus on I guess what they call
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  like the in cell problem. Did you hear about this recent incident involving a
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  mass stabbing or a stabbing in Australia. Yeah, And there was this video
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  clip of supposedly of the father of the guy who did it, and he
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  was basically it was yeah, and it was described as, oh, you
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  know, he targeted women because he was very he wanted a girlfriend, he
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  has no social skills and he was frustrated out of his brain and that basically
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  became the whole topic. And I retweeted that post and I said, what
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  can be done to prevent this in the future, because I think that when
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  the media talks about incidents like these And I don't know if you've looked into
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  that Australia incident, but when the media talks about this, they kind of
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  like they kind of make useless statements like we have to do something about misogyny.
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  Or these men, we have to break up these spaces. But if
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  this kind of you know, predatory behavior is happening from these groups, what
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  are the odds? And I know this is getting I'm gonna put my tinfoil
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  hat on for a moment. Okay, one of the odds that, like
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  the media knows that this could go deeper, but they just either they choose
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  ignorance or they choose this this narrative is more convenient to propagandize the public.
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  Like, why wouldn't they do the work that you're doing, is what I'm
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  saying. Why aren't journalists being journalists in this case? You know, that's
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  a really good question. I've asked this a lot. I think that in
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  general it's too big in scope. And now I have talked to and been
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  dealing with several media groups recently who are are doing documentaries and doing stuff like
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  this. Finally there's one the CBC, which is Canadian. They did a
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  YouTube video on their investigative uh I guess their investigative video series called the fitth
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  of State, and they have a really good one up about seven to six
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  four there, and they're doing, you know, probably going to do more
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  of those and I get contacted by a lot of researchers or journalists lately asking
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  me about my research into accelerationism. So I think that and you know,
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  it was a good start to get the Washington Post right to actually make a
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  story about this that was like pretty big. Right. So just this year,
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  you're starting to see people start to listen. And I think part of
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  the reason is Number One, mainstream media is going to be you know,
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  they have to push this agenda, this deviceive narrative to basically be competitive these
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  days. Right, So of course it's going to be, oh, it's
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  a gun problem, it's a misogyny problem, it's a you know, and
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  they're not going to evolve like, you know, devolve too deep into the
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  weeds because first of all, it's not something that we can claim that there's
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  like factual, you know, evidence on court record about, right, And
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  so a lot of it just has to do with this is still an area
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  that's being researched. It's not really like something that's widely known yet. But
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  I think we're getting there. Mm hmmmm. Are there any like kind of
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  elements that are either talking about these things, or are involved in these things,
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  or might appear to be involved these things that you think are completely like
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  distractions that are way too popular in the in the conversation, like things that
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  could just be you know, like Pizzagate. I asked you about Pizzagate before
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  as an example, right, And some people think that that's legit. Some
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  people think that's just like it's like a knop of some kind or whatever.
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  Is there anything like that going on? Like things that people could look out
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  for, because sometimes it can be hard to see, you know, which
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  way to go if you're looking for the yeah, well yeah, And it
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  feeds right back into that grant funding problem that we were talking about, right,
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  because as soon as you hear the mainstream start saying, oh, this
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  is a misogynistic violence, we have such an increase of misogynistic violence, right,
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  all that does is just add you know, tally points to the number
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  of extremist related cases that we've had and things that these researchers or these NGOs
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  can basically capitalize on when they're writing their next grant proposal. And now they
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  can go, oh, you know, when this happened in Australia, we
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  saw this in cell related stuff, and this is our justification to continue to
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  research this group of people, right, which might be fine if they weren't
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  what I say, all the time, targeting the targets, right, Because
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  how often did you remember this kind of thing happening before the internet became widely
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  popular, right, not as clearly as much. And so I would almost
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  guarantee now that every like you know, in cell related shooting, stabbing,
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  or any kind of you know, national socialists or terrorism kind of related,
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  white supremacy related, all of those guys were being targeted and indoctrinated and radicalized
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  online by people who are actual terrorists, right those Yeah, And it's not
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  to say that the kids are the people who commit the terror attacks, aren't
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  the terrorists, I mean they are, right, But they're like proxies.
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  And so until we can actually start exposing the people who are behind the scenes
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  provoking them and figuring out what are we going to do about these people,
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  it's kind of pointless to continue studying the in cells and acting like their violence
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  is all a product of society while ignoring the fact that we have real,
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  verified extremists in their uh, in their forums provoking them to commit attacks.
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  And some of these extremists are isis, some of them are some of them
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  are actually the Islamic State trying to recruit them. Some of them are white
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  supremacy, national socialist, neo Nazis, a lot of them are some of
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  them are these weird Order of Nine Angles accelerationists. So when we start targeting
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  the terror organizations and stop working, you know, I think that the violence
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  will naturally decrease, right, Yeah, So it's like we're trying to chop
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  We're trying to just chop off, you know, the branches of the tree
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  instead of knocking it down. The root just gonna grow more. Yeah,
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  yeah, that's right. Yeah, all right, So what we're gonna do
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  is we've been going for about twenty five minutes. I'm gonna move over to
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  rumble. I'm gonna end it on YouTube because I want to talk to you
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  about transmaxing, which is a very sensitive topic on YouTube and twitch. But
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  you guys don't want to miss this. It is very weird. But I
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  think there's there is something like I think there's something really sinister going on,
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  and yeah, yeah, like absolutely, and we're gonna we're gonna get into
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  that as well as more on this Order of Nine Angles and all these kind
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  of like this all this stuff kind of seems to be pointing in a similar
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  direction, but I don't know, you know, if that's going to be
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  what what Beck's believes. But if you are not on Rumble or X,
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  although I don't, you can watch it on X as well, but you
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  won't be able to comment. And I don't know what X does with the
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  videos once they end, I think they sort of disappear. So if you're
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  not on Rumble, go to Rumble right now, and we're gonna continue the
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  conversations there. So right now, I'm gonna turn off the stream going out
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  to Twitch, Facebook and YouTube, and we're just gonna stay on X and
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  Rumble and so let me just wait until this ends over here. And it
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  has and I'm just gonna like, look at the Rumble chat now, So
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  hello, welcome. Okay, we're good to go. So let's talk about
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  transmaxing. So a little bit of history on that. So I had a
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  guest on named Tina who came through me to me through Allison, and she
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  said, have you ever heard of this thing called transmaxing? And I was
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  like no, and then she kind of told me the the you know,
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  quick and dirty of it and asked me to talk to this person named Tina,
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  who I've done i think two fireside chats with. And Tina is a
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  transmaxer that lives in Germany. And the story, according to Tina is that
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  transmaxing is men who transition not because they have gender nysphoria, but because they
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  want to live as women, because they think that life would be better for
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  them as women, and they are convinced that they have to do all of
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  this. And I and I spoke to him about it, and you know,
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  I think, I don't know. I don't want to say that I
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  disagree with Alison on this, but I think that there that there is something
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  seriously wrong when a man elects to castrate himself chemically to live as a woman,
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  and because he has bought into this idea for whatever reason, that life
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  would be easier. I would I would not claim that it would be.
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  Actually, I think that if you're a trans woman, it's probably really hard
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  to be honest compared to even like a regular woman or a man. But
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  and it made me wonder because after we did the video, he got he
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  started getting threats, and Tina messaged me and said, can you please take
• 21:26
  these videos down? And he wanted to take it, to take it down
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  from every platform. So we upload to Speaker, which is like a podcasting
• 21:34
  podcast hosting platform as well as all these like social media spaces, and he
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  asked us please take it down, and I said, well, who's threatening
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  you? And he said, you know, because I was wondering, is
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  it like, is it the transphobes, is it like you know whatever?
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  He said, no, it's transactivists that were coming after him, and so
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  I wrote, I you know, I took his videos down and as far
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  as I know, he's gone, he's not on the internet or at least
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  not saying anything. And then the BBC Channel four just released a documentary very
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  recently about transmaxing and oh yeah, yeah, yeah, let me. That's
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  why I wanted to talk to you because I saw someone you know, you're
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  the only person to message me about transmaxing lately. I guess, I know,
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  yeah, they just and I mean I knew about this for a while,
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  but there now that Channel four covered it. Hell, here here's the
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  I will share with you the link to this as well. Channel four to
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  explore Extraordinary and Alternative Lifestyle is a new digital factual series Life Uncovered that's not
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  quite what I'm looking for. There is a video on YouTube. It's about
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  twenty minutes long. I'm just gonna give you the sorry about that. I'm
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  gonna give you the link and I'll send it to you. Where's my messaging
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  messages? There you go, So sorry, guys, bear with me just
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  a second. There you go. So it's called I'm not a woman,
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  but I'll take the benefits and I'm just gonna display it for you guys.
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  And it's basically a documentary from Channel four about transmaxing, and it is not
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  not the The host is is inquisitive and he asked questions. It's twenty minutes.
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  We can't watch it now, but he doesn't really challenge this this idea,
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  and I find it concerning for a number of reasons. So first of
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  all, I don't think it's organic, and that's like my, my,
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  you know, the first red flag for me. But so now we we're
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  on the same page as to why like this has become a topic, and
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  it's very it's a very big topic recently. I mean it's on BBC Channel
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  four. That's kind of massive, and I'm sure we're going to see it
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  everywhere. They put that out there without Yeah, did they talk anything about
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  Nathan Larson or any of the history behind it. Nope, it's pretty crazy,
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  that's what I'm saying. Yeah, we get into this a little bit
• 24:04
  more and try to see if I can get in touch with somebody over there,
• 24:07
  because they're doing a disservice to people by not giving them all of the
• 24:12
  information on it. Yeah. So since we're on that, Nathan Larson,
• 24:19
  I saw your your Twitter you made a post that says I usually don't make
• 24:26
  things public this quickly, but this one is urgent. A look into transmaxing,
• 24:30
  an intel adjacent community that persuades members to medically transition to female. The
• 24:36
  group behind it is linked to pedophilia, kidnapping, and child sex trafficking.
• 24:41
  Yeah, it's why. So, like I can't teleave the day, so
• 24:45
  I'll tell you guys the lore because you need to understand this is not an
• 24:49
  organic movement. You need to know who started this and why and what it's
• 24:55
  actually become online right now and without know so Tina, and this is part
• 25:02
  of the problem. This Tina person, who we have no actual and we
• 25:07
  have no evidence at all that Tina has transitioned medically in any way. By
• 25:11
  the way, Okay, it's just a you know, for all we know,
• 25:14
  it's just a cross dressing type of situation. We don't And obviously these
• 25:18
  people have been attacked very heavily by the trans communities because they're they kind of
• 25:22
  can I guess maybe they sniffed it out and they can smell that something is
• 25:26
  not right there. But unless you've gone I think is I might be one
• 25:30
  of the only people who actually has gone this deep into this uh, this
• 25:34
  community and see it for what it is, which is a cult. I
• 25:40
  mean it is, that's what they call it. A cult. That is
• 25:45
  uh the ultimate goal is to genocide or sterilize in cells. Right, it's
• 25:49
  a it's a it's a movement that's rooted in trying to eliminate these weak or
• 25:59
  feminine men for the gene pool. And uh Tina has actually gone on to
• 26:03
  Noama Kid's podcast where she similarly gave her almost no pushback about any of this
• 26:10
  wild stuff. But it's there's a point in that podcast where in her in
• 26:14
  her in it uh Tina's thick German accent, uh starts talking about zi final
• 26:18
  in cell solution and you're just like, what the fuck is going on here?
• 26:25
  Like I mean, it's crazy. How are you not gonna how are
• 26:29
  you not going to stop and be like, what do you mean the fight?
• 26:30
  What are you talking about? Right? Yes, this is an attempt
• 26:33
  to genocide in cells. And it's actually so goofy kind of when you get
• 26:37
  into it that like I never I meant to put stuff. I might write
• 26:42
  a substack of I'm gonna link you my substack later and maybe you can pitch
• 26:45
  it to people, because I've been putting some of this research out on substat
• 26:49
  finally, but this is one of those things that I looked into and then
• 26:52
  after like a week or so, I was like, what am I doing
• 26:56
  with my life? You know? Uh? And uh and I and I
• 27:00
  kind of put it on the back burner because I had more impressing things and
• 27:03
  uh would come back to it later. But you know the lore about this,
• 27:08
  So we can talk if you want to about about Nathan Larson first,
• 27:11
  and yeah he is, Yeah, tell me tell let's talk about Nathan Larson.
• 27:17
  Tell us more. Nathan Larson is one of the most evil individuals I've
• 27:22
  ever researched online. He's thankfully dead. He died in prison waiting for his
• 27:30
  trial for kidnapping a thirteen year old girl to make her sex slave. He
• 27:38
  he when I say he's the most evil, like, I mean that this
• 27:41
  guy actually did run for uh for I think that for Congress at one point,
• 27:47
  and his platform was literally pedophilia. So uh, it's a bizarre story.
• 27:52
  Was it California, Washington or Oregon? No, it was I'm trying
• 27:59
  to remember. I have it here written down in my notes. Let's see
• 28:06
  Nathan Larson's political run Virginia. Oh really, Oh that's where I am awful.
• 28:14
  Yeah, we didn't elect that guy. Okay, no, they it
• 28:18
  turns out that it's not a popular platform to run on. Yeah, thank
• 28:22
  god for that. So, yeah, he ran for a political office.
• 28:26
  And this guy is I mean, he's like a worst Hitler. Like that
• 28:30
  sounds terrible. We're on rubble, Like I'm saying. If Hitler were a
• 28:34
  raging pedophile and all he talked about was pedophilia, Nathan Larson would be like
• 28:41
  basically Hitler. He was a genocidal lunatic and he has created a lot of
• 28:49
  various fringe ideologies that he tried to set around the Internet. One of them
• 28:55
  was called the Vinology cult, which vental Or I think that's how you pronounce
• 29:02
  it. It's a guy and I think he's Swedish. He's also been on
• 29:06
  namous podcast. Also, she did not push back on him, which made
• 29:08
  me really angry because this guy is a pedophile child groomer. And at the
• 29:14
  end of her episode she even shouted out his channel like hiss his website that
• 29:18
  has his discord channel, which is full of very harmful things that especially children
• 29:23
  should not be around. So I maybe really angry at NAMA for doing that,
• 29:27
  and I think I called her out publicly about it, which is when
• 29:30
  Tina stepped in, you know, give its two cents, and Tina eventually
• 29:36
  blocked me because I was dropping facts about what transmaxing actually was, and Tina
• 29:42
  was very angry about that because he's been trying to separate transmaxing from vintology for
• 29:51
  a while now, and I think there's been a power struggle where Tina's trying
• 29:55
  to take it a different direction. So that's it in a nutshell. Nathan
• 30:00
  Larson, though he wasn't, he pretended to be an in cell for a
• 30:04
  long time and he actually had a lot of pull in the in cell dot
• 30:11
  is forum, which is run by LaMarcus Small, which we've already talked about
• 30:14
  a lot. And by the way, all of this information is coming from
• 30:18
  a well known in cell historian who contributed to most of those wikis that you
• 30:23
  see posted there. But he separated ways because he has been fighting against Small
• 30:30
  for a very long time because of what we talked about, right, the
• 30:32
  terrorism and exploitation in that community. And I find him to be a very
• 30:37
  very very reliable source, so you know, props to him. But his
• 30:42
  whole thing was that, like you know, during the early days of this
• 30:47
  in cell forum, Nathan Larson came in and started making like in cell adjacent
• 30:52
  type forums to compete with the main forum, and at one point he was
• 30:59
  like the was reciprocal, like both of those forms like LaMarcus, Mall and
• 31:03
  Larsen were friendly and Small had even advertised some of Larson's forms on the in
• 31:07
  cell form. But Larson was also a raging pedophile, and his whole kind
• 31:15
  of thing was to try to convince in cells to become pedophiles in order to
• 31:19
  get women, because if you if you go for little girls, they can't
• 31:22
  say no. It was the sickest shit imaginable, Oh my goodness. Yeah,
• 31:26
  and he would make these long political style speeches into forum posts where he
• 31:33
  would make these persuasive arguments, and he would put all of this like skewed
• 31:38
  or like, you know, irrelevant data to try to like you've seen that
• 31:44
  right where they data that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, yeah, in
• 31:47
  order to justify their position. Was he Yeah, you have any record of
• 31:51
  his Like, I'm curious about his educational history. I don't know if there's
• 31:56
  anything about that. Like, I noticed that there's a lot of people that
• 31:59
  just five pedophilia online and they're just really good. They usually have degrees in
• 32:05
  rhetoric. That's literally what they take is the ability to like, you know,
• 32:08
  cast spells with words essentially. So I was curious because a lot to
• 32:13
  say about that. Yeah, I don't know where he went to school,
• 32:16
  but I'm pretty sure he was, you know, he was like an educated
• 32:20
  person. He wasn't just that sure. He was extremely mentally ill. There's
• 32:23
  a lunatic. So his story goes that. You know, he basically had
• 32:29
  power struggles between him and the in Cell forum, and there were moderators from
• 32:32
  the in Cell form that were helping him with his pedophile forums, some of
• 32:37
  which were seized by the federal government when he was arrested, and they did
• 32:40
  contain uh seesam child exploitation content and including there was a situation where one of
• 32:46
  the ladies posting there had posted abuse material of her own infant and she was
• 32:52
  eventually arrested and there so there's court cases on this. This isn't secret,
• 32:55
  ye right, Yeah, And so a lot of times like Larsen would spam
• 33:00
  his own content and try to get people to pull from in cells to his
• 33:04
  pedophile sites. And you know, I think that ultimately he hated in cells.
• 33:12
  So while he was pretending to be one, he actually was like a
• 33:15
  like I said, a eugenicist who ultimately he just wanted to genocide people he
• 33:21
  thought were inferior. And so all of it, in my opinion, was
• 33:23
  kind of just a plot to get rid of in cells by you know,
• 33:28
  getting them you know, addicted to child porn. Or he had a suicide
• 33:34
  website where he would you know, try to get suicidal in cells to move
• 33:38
  on over, like they would mail the the in cells the tools they needed
• 33:45
  to kill themselves. That's a different situation, So that was a different guy.
• 33:49
  That was like a story related Okay, yeah, well it's the same
• 33:52
  kind of concept. It's just that this is something Nathan Larsa did several years
• 33:55
  ago. That website still up. We've talked about that, but but yeah,
• 34:00
  so he you know, he's grooming people to be pedophiles, and eventually
• 34:05
  he started this, uh, this Vinology dot Com, which is a cult
• 34:08
  that he started to basically pitch his political like political activism. I guess right,
• 34:19
  because he has this bible that's similar to the Transmaxing Bible, and it's
• 34:23
  called the Vinology Bible, and it's about two hundred pages of schizophrenia there's uh,
• 34:30
  but a lot of chunks of it have been taken from other political manifestos,
• 34:35
  like specifically, oh my gosh, sorry my cat just knocked over.
• 34:38
  Oh it's okay, I'm still It's okay. It's a live show, guys.
• 34:44
  Yeah, and so you know the uh kitty, the Vinology Bible.
• 34:52
  Yeah, so the Ventology Bible, like large portions of it were actually copying
• 34:57
  and pasted from a manifesto called Mite is Right, which is like a fascist
• 35:02
  neo fascist rambling that's also heavily adopted from the Satanic Bible. So that's where
• 35:10
  you start to see some of the things you read in theology Vintology, Bible
• 35:15
  are pretty Satanic, right, But we were talking about No, But I
• 35:22
  mean what what I guess when when people hear the word Satanism or Satanic,
• 35:29
  I think they their mind goes right to like some kind of spiritual biblical thing,
• 35:35
  when it could simply be a kind of like you know, completely a
• 35:42
  moral, if not anti moral set of values, like I'm going to do
• 35:45
  the opposite of what people want, right exactly, So like when you hear
• 35:49
  that, that's how I think of it too, And I am a Christian,
• 35:52
  but I but I see, Satanism is not like this, you know,
• 35:55
  it's it's not like guys in red suit with horns and pitchfork and it's
• 36:00
  like it's a behavior specifically rebelling against everything that is normal. It is about
• 36:05
  well like, yeah, I know, I'm talking about Levey. You're talking
• 36:08
  about Levey satan No, No, that's more like that do what thy do,
• 36:13
  what thou wilt? I think was the main thing. But this is
• 36:15
  this is like not that I'm saying, it's beyond that. Oh well,
• 36:19
  no, this is that. Well okay, so this is the Satanic Bible.
• 36:22
  That's what Vintology Bible has kind of mimicked, right, which is what
• 36:29
  what kind of what you're talking about? Though, It's just like there's not
• 36:31
  any they don't promote evil, they don't promote pedophilia. They're they're pretty PC
• 36:36
  for a reason, right, because the LaVey Church of Satan was kind of
• 36:39
  a push to the mainstream and they needed to like get rid of all of
• 36:43
  that stigma. So they get really mad when you call like I've had Satan.
• 36:46
  I got in to a tweet battle with the Church of Satan official page.
• 36:51
  They were like, they were like quote tweeting me and I was just
• 36:53
  throwing memes at them because like, you know, fuck you, I don't
• 36:58
  you know. They were mad because I was talking about Satanism, but you
• 37:00
  know, this is the mainstream Satanism, and we're talking about the fringe cults,
• 37:05
  okay, which do exist. So it's kind of like saying like,
• 37:07
  if you're a Christian and I was talking about one of these, like yeah
• 37:15
  and saying, oh, these Christians, they might be like that, doesn't
• 37:17
  you know that's not Christianity. Yes, but it's still accurate to call them
• 37:22
  Christians, I mean it is, that's what they their basis, right,
• 37:27
  so how else do you say that, right, I mean, it's not
• 37:30
  say all Satanists are pedophiles, like far from this is a fringe, fringe
• 37:35
  little cult, right that that goes into the seven to six four stuff.
• 37:38
  But that's kind of interesting that this conversation led here though, because the whole
• 37:44
  Fontology Bible was and I don't think many people know this, but it was
• 37:49
  written by Nathan Larson and Vintology. On this website together, they you can
• 37:53
  find like you can find threads on the website where they're like talking about how
• 37:59
  to better phrase certain parts of the Bible, and Vintology was always trying to
• 38:02
  make it more palatable to the masses, right, whereas Larsen was always just
• 38:07
  trying to say, you know, Vintology, you'd be like, yeah,
• 38:10
  we should add this confusing, weird verbiage here to just throw people off and
• 38:15
  confuse them. So there's not really any point in reading it and trying to
• 38:19
  like deduce meaning, because it was really just the way for them to They
• 38:23
  were trying to brainwash people into a cult, which is why they made the
• 38:27
  Bible, and they wanted it to be confusing because they thought stupid people who
• 38:30
  were confused would be easier to I don't know. It was some weird shit.
• 38:37
  Now, in that Bible, there's also entire sections about like child sexual
• 38:43
  abuse, how to the best way to make a young girl a sex slave
• 38:49
  and sexually abuse her, And there are pictures in there that aren't sexual,
• 38:53
  but they're like really, I mean the I can't even say it. I
• 38:57
  won't even say it. But like, the stuff that was in there was
• 39:00
  so descriptive and bad that I went on a reporting spree and I ended up
• 39:06
  getting their Bible pulled from like ten platforms. Even the way Back Machine pulled
• 39:10
  it, that's how bad it was. You know, way back Machine won't
• 39:15
  pull stuff unless it's like pretty bad. Ventology also had a Spotify channel where
• 39:21
  he narrated the entire thing, and it took Spotify months to remove it.
• 39:29
  I even took the segment where he was talking about abusing kids and like send
• 39:31
  it to Spotify and was just talking to an AI over there. So they
• 39:37
  eventually did remove it. But there's still more platforms that he's put it on.
• 39:40
  He's got it on like twenty different platforms, and so that Bible still
• 39:45
  exists and it's connected to Ventology. Vintology is also the main person behind this
• 39:50
  transmaxing stuff, even though Tina wants to make it seem like he's not because
• 39:54
  he whatever has been trying to wrangle control. So if you think that is
• 40:00
  then like kind of in support of this whole like vintology Nathan Larson thing like,
• 40:07
  or I don't kind of propagandized by it, or yeah, I think
• 40:10
  that that person when you when you hear them talk on Noma's podcasts, it's
• 40:16
  still clear that they want to genocide their eugenicists and that their goal is to
• 40:21
  sterilize in cells. And interestingly, they also said some stuff on there that
• 40:25
  kind of implied that the same hormones are used to you know, treat pedophiles
• 40:31
  because they reduce their sex drive. So you kind of also got to wonder
• 40:36
  if there's not something there too, right, Yeah, so maybe some like
• 40:40
  suppressed I'm not going to go and speculate, right, but there's some weird
• 40:45
  psychology going on there, well there, I mean, And the thing is
• 40:50
  is that it's not I don't think it's as fringe as people think, you
• 40:54
  know, like, if you think about it, there are laws in Canada,
• 40:58
  for example, where if you don't affirm your child's gender. The government
• 41:04
  can take your child from you. And there have been cases in the States
• 41:07
  where babies, like very young children, like a toddler. I think that
• 41:13
  was the story of a toddler or a very young child, like maybe four
• 41:15
  years old. The mother wanted to transition the child and the father was against
• 41:22
  it, and the mother beat the father in a case, and is in
• 41:27
  the process of transitioning her child. Like there's and I'm not and I think
• 41:30
  that and we're talking. I mean, obviously, if you start taking the
• 41:34
  hormone blockers and all that this is, aside from the surgery, you are
• 41:37
  already essentially taking your child of the gene pool or gene pool, right or
• 41:42
  a child, So the transmaxing, like I think that to be clear,
• 41:49
  I think that genericephoria is a real condition that a small percent of the population
• 41:53
  experiences. I'm not completely sold on the idea that transitioning is the only way
• 42:00
  to deal with it, but I'm okay with it as long as they are
• 42:02
  adults and we understand that this is the real problem. So I don't want
• 42:07
  to make this into a discussion about whether or not transgenderism is, you know,
• 42:12
  itself a bad thing. But I think that it is the the It
• 42:15
  is being normalized in a way that I think is extremely dangerous for you know,
• 42:22
  young people who are very impressionable. Social media is a part of that.
• 42:25
  I think you see it on TikTok. You've seen these guys. I
• 42:29
  don't know if you have, but there's like viral videos of guys like Jeffrey
• 42:31
  Marsh who he doesn't even transition, He just like wears lipstick and eyeshadow and
• 42:37
  talking. It sounds like propaganda. It's like, what kind of propaganda to
• 42:43
  push that specific agenda so to make to convince kids to transition and like to
• 42:49
  say I want to talk to you privately, yes, to normalize it.
• 42:52
  Right? So uh, And then there's like the pedophile angle, which you
• 42:58
  were talking about. I wonder too, because like this guy Larson you're talking
• 43:05
  about, he is he wants to he wants genocide, but he also wants
• 43:09
  children to touch. He wants both of these things. I don't know why
• 43:14
  that is unless he's like experiencing something severe. Yeah, he's dead, he's
• 43:17
  dead. He right, Well, i'll tell you. He got arrested,
• 43:22
  right, and he demanded that he be able to represent himself and refuse to
• 43:25
  wear a mask in the courtroom during COVID. So they kept denying him over
• 43:30
  and over, and he went on a hunger strike and starved himself to death
• 43:34
  slowly over the course of several months. So this man is insane. Yeah,
• 43:38
  that's on a hunger strike. I mean, I know, I know
• 43:44
  crazy homeless people, but they don't have friends. How come this guy had
• 43:46
  so many friends because he was very because he was persuasive, He had all
• 43:52
  of the characteristics of a cult leader. He was charismatic, he was persistent,
• 43:58
  he create He did nothing but create fringe websites and write unhinged rants about
• 44:04
  all of his political stances, and uh, you know he did he he
• 44:08
  uh. He used LaMarcus Small's in cell form as a you know, a
• 44:14
  pool of people to exploit, and Small you know, repeatedly refuse to you
• 44:22
  know, take action against it. This is all coming from my source again,
• 44:27
  who was part of the in cell wiki. And one of the reasons
• 44:30
  he left was because Nathan Larson was the one who was making a lot of
• 44:34
  the articles on that wiki. So that's why when I see some of these
• 44:37
  researchers referencing the official in cell wiki, Uh, do they realize that that
• 44:42
  is not a good source of information, right because it's biased. They could
• 44:46
  be written by anybody. You could have been written by this maniac Nathan Larson
• 44:51
  and uh and so so a lot of it is a lot of that stuff.
• 44:54
  You can find these articles he wrote. There's these long rambling theories on
• 45:00
  on random things, like he wrote some of those. So he was a
• 45:04
  very I mean, I guess you could say he was intelligent and prolific.
• 45:09
  So you know, that's why he was able to indoctrinate so many people and
• 45:15
  get them to come to his you know, disgusting pedophile forms. Yeah.
• 45:19
  Yeah, so there seems to be and I agree with that one hundred percent.
• 45:22
  I think again, people are working with bad information in most cases,
• 45:29
  and it's a shame because people should be more diligent. And he's one of
• 45:31
  the things I really appreciate about what you do, because like I'm trying to
• 45:36
  talk about the issues facing men and boys on this channel. I think that's
• 45:39
  important. But there's a lot of like white noise and distractions and and there's
• 45:46
  also assaults on you know, vulnerable men like these in cells to you know,
• 45:52
  essentially construct you know, terrorism and violence and mass shootings and suicides and
• 46:00
  transmaxing, which probably leads to sexual predatory behavior either on the part of those
• 46:06
  people or they become victims of that, and then they go on to do
• 46:09
  that or perpetuate that, because a lot of times people who have been abused
• 46:14
  will go on to abuse. Really import yeah, yeah, it is.
• 46:19
  And I think that's like, I think there's a lot of moving parts.
• 46:24
  It's almost overwhelming really because you're you know, you chip away at something and
• 46:30
  you're working hard at it, and there's all these other things. Maybe they
• 46:32
  can be a distraction. I don't know, maybe it's better to focus.
• 46:36
  Like, so why would like, for example, that video Channel four made
• 46:40
  is a big, very big, you know, government owned Channel four is
• 46:45
  part of the BBC. BBC is government television is publicly funded for the you
• 46:51
  know, the the people of the UK. And they're in there talking about
• 46:57
  transmaxing and they're not even talking about where it came from. There's no pushback.
• 47:02
  It's meant to be exploitive, it's meant to be an exploit of cult
• 47:07
  like and I actually know I have contacts with the BBC. I might actually
• 47:10
  reach out about it because I don't know why they wouldn't. I mean,
• 47:15
  they knowed hit me up. I don't know why they wouldn't. Yeah,
• 47:17
  I don't know, but it's probably not the same people. It's a big
• 47:22
  organization obviously, but I might reach out and ask them about it, because
• 47:25
  you know, I'll have to watch it obviously. But there's another you know,
• 47:30
  there's another sort of arm to this whole thing that has to do with
• 47:35
  you might say, what might motivate somebody to try to profit off of this
• 47:39
  as well. So when you go into these communities, into their discord servers,
• 47:44
  which are full of suicidal kids, it's a really sad place to be.
• 47:46
  I don't recommend going there. It's really really really bad. There's not
• 47:51
  and I've never seen any child exploitation content there, but there is inappropriate conversations
• 47:55
  going on with with people who are underage. And I've reported it to Discord
• 48:00
  and I might do it again today. I don't know. We'll see.
• 48:04
  If they lose their Discord then I'm probably the reason why, because fuck them,
• 48:07
  you know, they're they're in their grooming kids. They are grooming kids
• 48:10
  in there, and I've seen people who posted long threads about how they were
• 48:15
  somebody try to groom them in there, right, And also they have links
• 48:20
  out links that go to these do it yourself hormone replacement places where you can
• 48:25
  buy black market HRT. And now this is a big black hole where you
• 48:30
  go, well, who own who owns this place? And who's making money
• 48:35
  here? Right, it's a big money making avenue to try to sell kids
• 48:38
  on HRT. So somebody could theoretically set up a network to get acquire black
• 48:45
  market HRT and sell it to people, and so then you would have an
• 48:50
  incentive to try to convince people to do it, right, So there's also
• 48:53
  a financial incentive there potentially. Well. And they're doing the mainstream medicine too,
• 48:59
  Like there's body of doctors in like you know, in pediatrics and stuff
• 49:04
  that are supporting or like you know, helping parents validate their child's gender and
• 49:10
  that. So they're making a lot of money to another thing because you know,
• 49:15
  most of so the Transmaxing manifesto contains like a whole long thing about how
• 49:20
  to convince your doctor to give you HRT when you're not actually gender justice work.
• 49:24
  But you know, uh, the people who are most likely to seek
• 49:28
  out black markets up are kids, right, because if they're an adult,
• 49:31
  they could seek it out legitimately without their parents' guidance. And so, I
• 49:36
  mean, I'm of a big mind that the FDA needs to get involved and
• 49:38
  shut these places down. Now I've come to find out that they do in
• 49:43
  fact shut these places down, but because a lot of them are located in
• 49:45
  India and stuff like that, they just keep spawning up. It's like it's
• 49:50
  like the FDA would have to have funding for a completely new department basically to
• 49:53
  try to manage all of the flow of these We're looking at it kind of
• 49:57
  low international problems. And but now now it's not like they're going directly to
• 50:04
  them though. The thing is is that there are these these hubs like this
• 50:07
  HRT cafe place where you where they compile all they don't actually sell it,
• 50:12
  but they compile all the links to it and they route people to the appropriate
• 50:17
  black market. That kind of shit needs to be shut down by the FDA.
• 50:22
  It goes back to the thing of like, Okay, yeah, it's
• 50:23
  gonna be really hard to just keep you know, chopping off the leaves that
• 50:29
  grow. We need to start trying to take out the sources. And you
• 50:34
  know, these big distribution hubs where people are finding this stuff, you know,
• 50:38
  which makes it a lot harder to you know, manage the problem because
• 50:43
  you know, not only is you know, there was also this big controversy
• 50:47
  in the discord and you can find a Reddit thread about it, and of
• 50:51
  course I don't it's a Reddit thread, so I don't know how accurate it
• 50:53
  is. But there there have been reports of people claiming that they got tainted,
• 51:00
  you know, HRT, that was tainted with harmful chemicals or poisons,
• 51:04
  and people have gotten really sick off of them. And some people have claimed
• 51:07
  that it's an intentional kind of thing, which is possible, right, or
• 51:12
  it could just be that they bought black market HRT from India, which is
• 51:16
  not safe, you know. So there's a lot of it's not just like
• 51:22
  I don't like people transitioning. I don't want kids to transition. No,
• 51:24
  it's not safe for kids to do this. It's even less safe than them
• 51:29
  going to the doctor and transitioning, right, yeah, yeah for sure.
• 51:32
  Well well you don't yeah, we don't know, like you said, like,
• 51:35
  it's there's too many unknowns and it's just way too risky. What about
• 51:42
  I don't know, Like I'm out of curiosity because I'm looking at a lot.
• 51:45
  I'm seeing a bunch of stuff happening at the same time. So we
• 51:47
  know that there are issues of child sex trafficking that is happening in this country,
• 51:55
  and there are this is what i've here, I've heard maybe you know
• 51:59
  something I'd own You probably do, uh, But there's also like issues of
• 52:04
  children with phone numbers written on them crossing the border, and that those numbers
• 52:08
  supposedly go to places where they end up in you know, well sex trafficking
• 52:15
  rings or whatever. Do you think that there could be like a connection between
• 52:21
  the child sex trafficking that happens in the States and these these other you know,
• 52:27
  satanic pedophilic rings or organizations. So I can't really speak so much to
• 52:35
  the in person trafficking kind of, but you know, there's also an aspect
• 52:39
  of uh, producing child exploitation content and trafficking that. And so you know
• 52:47
  there with the seven six four cult, uh, not cold, but you
• 52:51
  know, well, I guess it's a cult. But with the seven six
• 52:53
  four in the in the cult, it's also there's a branch bit called cult.
• 52:57
  So, oh, the the Order of nine maybe, yelty, No,
• 53:01
  this is the seven six four, Oh, okay, okay, yeah,
• 53:06
  yeah, yeah, Like there's been cases of people who have traveled to
• 53:09
  try to kidnap kids in life. So a lot of times these bad guys
• 53:15
  do end up reaching off of the Internet and going into the real world and
• 53:20
  taking these kids, and who knows what happens to them. Yeah, you
• 53:23
  know, I mean that's a you know, when when kids are in general
• 53:27
  we're not just talking about Satanism or you know, satanic stup but in general,
• 53:30
  when kids are groomed online, a lot of times they're groomed by people
• 53:34
  who do want to traffic them into sex, labor, or you know,
• 53:38
  things of that nature, and that's very common unfortunately. So yeah, anything
• 53:44
  that looks online looks shady. Anyone fucking with kids heads online, Anybody trying
• 53:49
  to sell them hormone replacement or convince them their parents don't understand them, and
• 53:52
  things like that is a huge red flag that places like Discord need to be
• 53:58
  more proactive about. Discords real proactive about banning people for having you know,
• 54:04
  unfavorable or UNPC ideas and ideologies. But right now, I feel like they're
• 54:12
  really reactive when it comes to taking down these exploitive communities that might be kind
• 54:16
  of more covertly grooming kids rather than just like spamming childborn. Right, it's
• 54:22
  pretty good at moving. Yeah, So I was gonna say, I think
• 54:30
  that the state of being an in cell, so we're talking about in cells
• 54:34
  are a vulnerable population of mostly young men, many of them with their own
• 54:42
  mental health struggles disabilities. You know, they they've already decided that they're not
• 54:47
  going to find a mate because of one or more problems. But I think
• 54:52
  in many cases, if not most, it's actually more of a phase that
• 54:58
  young guys go through where they just you'll, unattractive, lonely, they don't
• 55:01
  have confidence, they're not they don't have social skills, whatever it is.
• 55:06
  But in that period of time, they're trying to like find connections with other
• 55:12
  young guys that have the same struggles. And I think that because they're in
• 55:15
  that, in that vulnerable state, then these predatory elements can come and take
• 55:21
  advantage of that. But now, obviously this happened in the forums as you
• 55:24
  have talked about, but I wonder if it doesn't also happen on social media
• 55:29
  in other ways. So I noticed that, you know, you have gotten
• 55:31
  into it with people like date psych Alex I think his name is online and
• 55:37
  you've also memed yeah, and you've also memed on Andrew Tait as well.
• 55:44
  And I saw you talking about AI girlfriends where that was like a thing that
• 55:49
  seems to be like being really pushed. And I don't think it's pushed because
• 55:52
  men are drawn to it, per se. I think that the media just
• 55:54
  kind of makes it like they're trying to mainstream this idea that's scary to me.
• 56:00
  It does seem like it, yeah, just comments on it kind of
• 56:07
  like, you know, frivolously. I don't really have that like strong opinions.
• 56:10
  I'm not advocating against it, but I made like Futurama reference or something,
• 56:15
  and you know, the don't date robots thing anyways, but yeah,
• 56:19
  yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of people started commenting, and it
• 56:22
  was like a bot farm almost, like these AI bots that were like that
• 56:24
  are drawn to this conversation that puts something out there like women don't like us,
• 56:29
  so we want robots. And I'm like, this feels like, this
• 56:32
  feels like AstroTurf. You know, I have a pretty good AstroTurf since these
• 56:37
  days, and so when I see something like that getting mainstreams and some of
• 56:42
  these accounts pushing certain narratives. Yeah, sometimes I start to feel like like
• 56:45
  we're looking at something that's not quite organic. I agree with that. I've
• 56:50
  seen We've already seen this with Gamergate two. There's a guy I forget his
• 56:54
  name, but he was he studies like online artificial intelligence social media posts and
• 57:02
  he's like, these are all artificial intelligence. He shows like where they're similar,
• 57:07
  and I do, and yeah, and I'm sure that a lot of
• 57:09
  this happens. We know a lot of this happens. But what the reason
• 57:13
  why I'm bringing it up is because I do think that there is If you
• 57:16
  want to make someone into a sexually frustrated incel, there are a number of
• 57:22
  things you could do, and one of them is to make them feel as
• 57:23
  though things like AI girlfriends are a substitute for real women, when in many
• 57:30
  cases it's just not going to cut the mustard, if not most cases,
• 57:34
  obviously, and they're gonna end up more resentful, more bitter, and more
• 57:37
  lonely, which makes them more vulnerable. So I do think they are factors.
• 57:43
  You know, it's super dystopian though, there's like it's literally an episode
• 57:46
  of Black Mirror coming to life, right, You know, the thing about
• 57:52
  AI is that it's not a sex doll, right, it's a learning growing
• 57:58
  sure, you know. And it that's where it gets kind of kind of
• 58:01
  spooky. I mean, there's been any number of sci fi movies made about
• 58:05
  this. You could just go watch and what people have, yeah, or
• 58:09
  like what's the one with the the robot Sofia robot or whatever? Anyways,
• 58:17
  you know these you think these si fi movies the actually a lot of them
• 58:22
  come from like Isaac Asimov, who's the guy behind Eye Robots, right,
• 58:27
  the philosopher, Like these guys have already kind of put out there what might
• 58:31
  be the consequences to the human race, and so you know, this isn't
• 58:37
  something we even need to really theorize about. It's already been theorized for a
• 58:40
  really long time why this could be really really bad, quite much better people
• 58:45
  than me. Yeah, I mean I'm looking at like a pattern, you
• 58:51
  know, and it seems like people are willing to spend money, time and
• 58:54
  energy on all these other things when they could just be talking about how we
• 59:00
  can like make men and women more like friendly with each other. I mean,
• 59:06
  well, one thing is to probably stop you know, you know,
• 59:08
  it's a fire hose of falsehoods. Have you heard that term? Oh?
• 59:13
  No? So the fire hose of falsehoods is a propaganda technique that was perfected
• 59:17
  by the Russians, I think, and it's basically you just you have you
• 59:23
  have something you want to push, and you do it from so many different
• 59:28
  avenues that you're immersed in it. So all you're seeing is this, like,
• 59:32
  you know, this agenda pushing, and you see it nowadays, you
• 59:36
  see it online pushed on. You know, back then it was mostly media
• 59:38
  outlets in Russia and stuff Soviet Russia. But now you're seeing it pushed by
• 59:44
  influencers who may not even realize what they're doing. They may just think that
• 59:47
  they're doing the current thing and making money off it in content farming, but
• 59:52
  in reality they're acting as an arm of this propaganda machine that's pushing a specific
• 59:57
  narrative, and that narrative, in my opinion, is nihilism defeatism, making
• 1:00:02
  it seem like this is a permanent condition and it's something that you can't ever
• 1:00:07
  really you know, change or do anything about, and you should just kind
• 1:00:09
  of give up hope and start hating people, hating women, hating the West.
• 1:00:14
  It's all about the West, which again we've talked about before with this
• 1:00:19
  accelerationism stuff. The goal for that is to collapse the West. It and
• 1:00:23
  in a way, the whole, this whole in cell a lot of the
• 1:00:28
  Manisphere, not all of it, but a lot of parts of the manusphere
• 1:00:30
  now too have become this kind of, in my opinion, subversive ideology that
• 1:00:36
  may not even be from America. This could be this could be Russia pushing
• 1:00:39
  subversive ideologies on It's without us even knowing. This is something that's been pushed
• 1:00:45
  their theory a long time. Yeah, more likely, I think it's China.
• 1:00:50
  I think there's actually a lot of evidence for that. There was a
• 1:00:52
  viral video. Yeah, there was a viral video of a girl that was
• 1:00:57
  getting an engagement ring put on her finger, remember this, And she had
• 1:01:01
  like these like flash forwards to like being you know, like all this oppressive
• 1:01:06
  stuff of being a wife, and then she rejects the ring. And it
• 1:01:09
  was a white girl, right, it was so, But it turned out
• 1:01:13
  that that video was made in China. Yeah, but I exposed something like
• 1:01:17
  TikTok where people were pushing out this thing where it was this woman and it
• 1:01:22
  was a TikTok video and she's not talking, but she's like crying in the
• 1:01:24
  car and the subtitles are like, I'm forty years old, no kids and
• 1:01:29
  no man wants me. What should I do or something? Did you see
• 1:01:31
  that? Well? No I haven't, but I try to avoid TikTok.
• 1:01:37
  Well you know, no, no, this is a TikTok. It's on
• 1:01:37
  Twitter, like so like Wall Street Silver. I think it was like Wall
• 1:01:40
  Street Silver. That account, right, had pushed out a bunch of management
• 1:01:45
  Okay, yeah, yeah, Well I was like, I've seen this video
• 1:01:50
  before or one just like it. When I don't remember why, I was
• 1:01:52
  down some weird rabbit hole like I tend to do, and I had found
• 1:01:57
  these videos where a TikTok channel was posting another person's TikTok but with fake captions,
• 1:02:05
  and so this was actually a video of a woman talking about something else
• 1:02:08
  and they put these fake captions, and in the bio it was a link
• 1:02:12
  to like a Russian dating website. And so these vana spect accounts had taken
• 1:02:16
  it and presented like it was a fact, and they're like, why are
• 1:02:20
  all these videos coming out of women acting like this? It must be society
• 1:02:22
  and I'm like, look closer, Bud, like it's a fake video made
• 1:02:27
  by a Russian poor network, right, And I ended up getting Wall Street
• 1:02:31
  Silver Community noted for showing them the actual original TikTok account and showing them that
• 1:02:37
  this was a fake. So that was a moment of pride. I was
• 1:02:42
  like, yes, I just spelled this information right, because you know,
• 1:02:45
  why do they do that? Though? You know, why don't they delete
• 1:02:49
  the post when something like that comes out, right? Why don't they delete
• 1:02:52
  or or correct it? Right? Because it feeds into their agenda and that's
• 1:02:54
  all that matters to them. They don't care if they're giving you a lie
• 1:02:58
  or falsehood or disinformation. And the amount of disinformation I found in that specific
• 1:03:02
  arena, which is basically to say that older women have no value, younger
• 1:03:08
  women have much more readability, which might be true, but like, what
• 1:03:14
  where are you going there, Bud? Where are we actually going? You
• 1:03:17
  know? I know that you've seen probably Andrew Tate recently ripped the mask off
• 1:03:21
  and has gone full polygamy Islam, right, young young wives having ten kids
• 1:03:27
  each, Yes, that is the goal. It is a lot of this
• 1:03:30
  stuff is a very Islamic push, which we should concern us because that's kind
• 1:03:36
  of foreign. Why are they trying to undermine Western values? And you know,
• 1:03:42
  goes right back to the whole people who want the West to collapse want
• 1:03:45
  to undermine Western values, and a lot of these accounts have either wittingly or
• 1:03:50
  unwittingly become puppets of foreign propaganda. Yeah, yeah, yeah, speaking of
• 1:03:55
  that Andrew Tate thing, you know, I had a guest on our this
• 1:04:00
  week. His name is Fabian Liberty, was an an CAP guy. He
• 1:04:03
  wanted do you know who that is? Oh? Okay, yeah, so
• 1:04:08
  I guess he wanted to, you know, a debate about why the Manisphere
• 1:04:13
  is just like feminists or something. But we got to talking and one of
• 1:04:17
  the things that I told him, because you know, he was basically going
• 1:04:19
  off of the idea that oh, I've seen the Manisphere and it's Andrew Tait
• 1:04:26
  and fresh and fit. And I said to him, you know, I
• 1:04:30
  didn't hear about those guys until very recently, like they're very new, okay,
• 1:04:33
  And I said, I've been doing this for ten years and I've never
• 1:04:38
  talked about you know, like polygamy, multiple wives or any of this crazy
• 1:04:42
  stuff that these guys talk about I've only ever talked about the basics, you
• 1:04:45
  know, my problems with circumcision, the family courts, you know, divorce
• 1:04:51
  court and child custody for paternity, fraud and all these other real issues that
• 1:04:59
  are just issues that of the of the state, or at least their involvement,
• 1:05:02
  and to some larger extent, there's like a you know, more of
• 1:05:05
  a you could have a conversation about evolution and men and women's nature and all
• 1:05:10
  that, but I don't go into the And I said to him, don't
• 1:05:12
  even think it's weird that those guys came from nowhere and they're now like the
• 1:05:15
  biggest names in the whole space. I was like, I don't think that
• 1:05:18
  it's organic, right, I mean, And the thing is, I said,
• 1:05:21
  it's very useful because you you know, I was talking to him.
• 1:05:26
  You're basically saying that this is the representative of people like me who have been
• 1:05:30
  doing this much longer and have a lot more of a rational, you know,
• 1:05:34
  approach with good I think anyway, good arguments and and something that we
• 1:05:40
  can actually like agree on a lot of middle ground. I mean, the
• 1:05:44
  guy, one of the guys who started this thing is like way further left
• 1:05:46
  than I am doctor Warren Ferrell. But he and I and the on the
• 1:05:51
  issue of men and the importance of fathers were on the same page basically,
• 1:05:55
  and he has more data than I do, and and so, and I
• 1:05:59
  said to him, you know, I think that there's something really artificial about
• 1:06:03
  these guys being propped up. And yes, when I saw that Andrew Tape
• 1:06:08
  made a big post about white people having to reproduce or something. White men
• 1:06:14
  should just have lots of babies and don't bother their children. Or my favorite
• 1:06:17
  part was where he said, one single pathetic woman who takes nine whole months
• 1:06:23
  to have a child. I'm like, all races take nine months. Sorry,
• 1:06:29
  I am so sorry, like my bad guys, my ball. Yeah
• 1:06:33
  yeah, but I think that, and I think that there is it is
• 1:06:38
  on purpose, and it accomplishes a couple of things. It discredits us.
• 1:06:42
  So now, you know, like our talking points get like people like in
• 1:06:45
  the conservative and liberal space they make content about the menisphere, and of course
• 1:06:49
  they only reference the biggest names. Those names get bigger, you know,
• 1:06:54
  and like the real discussion just gets crushed. And on top of that,
• 1:06:58
  he gets to be like he gets the benefit from, you know, being
• 1:07:01
  extremely like out there. You know, well, first of all, right
• 1:07:06
  on the money, okay, because one of the biggest, biggest like red
• 1:07:12
  flags of one of these AstroTurf propaganda campaigns is like this feeling of like I
• 1:07:16
  blinked and then suddenly everything there were these accounts everywhere pushing completely different stuff than
• 1:07:23
  I'm used to seeing, or suddenly all of these different types of people have
• 1:07:27
  invaded this space. I saw it recently with the two A space. There
• 1:07:30
  were there are infiltrators in the two A you know, militia type space is
• 1:07:35
  online too, stands yeah, yeah, So when you go to the manisphere
• 1:07:42
  and you look at that, and Rollo Tamasi is another one who's like been
• 1:07:45
  really big talking about this and being like how do we stop this? Because
• 1:07:47
  he's mad about it because he's like an o g right, and he believes
• 1:07:51
  the same thing you do that this isn't organic. Well, a lot of
• 1:07:55
  people benefit, you know, whoever's foreign anti West agenda obviously benefits from that.
• 1:08:00
  There's also you can make an argument that it's kind of poisoning the well
• 1:08:04
  by by saying like just like Fabian said to you, like, well,
• 1:08:08
  this must be what all manuscript people think right, and so he's basically telling
• 1:08:13
  you that that that work, that strategy worked of muddying the waters and basically
• 1:08:16
  demonizing all of you so that now you can be targeted by DHS censorship campaigns
• 1:08:21
  exactly, which we are exactly. Yeah, it is, it is.
• 1:08:26
  Uh, it's really interesting. I think it. That's what I noticed.
• 1:08:29
  And yeah, it's something that we're just gonna have to keep on plugging away
• 1:08:33
  at, you know. But what I what I would ask is that there
• 1:08:36
  are people in in you know that create content that want to talk about men's
• 1:08:41
  issues. Don't talk about like, don't respond to people like Tait and Fresh
• 1:08:47
  and fit because they're not They're not really important. They're just really popular.
• 1:08:53
  And I don't think it's real. I think that it will, you know,
• 1:08:56
  when they're when they cease to be useful, they'll probably disappear and there'll
• 1:08:59
  be some new people that they will prop up or even just And I'm not
• 1:09:02
  saying they're not real people with real opinions. I'm saying that the algorithm favors
• 1:09:06
  them. It's that, oh, these people are saying things this way,
• 1:09:09
  We're gonna make them bigger. But bex, how much time do you have
• 1:09:14
  left. I see you're like looking at your Oh yeah, I know that
• 1:09:17
  you got to go soon. Yeah, yeah, you know. I got
• 1:09:21
  a few more minutes, so if you want to, well, we can
• 1:09:26
  wind down here. I don't know, I didn't get any super childs guys.
• 1:09:28
  Send us a superchowd and a'lla you know, we can ask Beck's a
• 1:09:32
  question, or you can just make a statement. I did get one yesterday
• 1:09:36
  that we didn't read out, so I'll just read it, although we won't
• 1:09:40
  have any context. Richard Bierre five bucks yesterday says, have you heard about
• 1:09:44
  the school in Utah where a portion of the students are expressing themselves as Varians
• 1:09:48
  or Furries and are acting badly but are having special protection from the school staff.
• 1:09:54
  There is a video from a student walkout protest where there's a claim that
• 1:09:58
  litter boxes are placed in the restroom. I'm surprised that the LDS church hasn't
• 1:10:02
  talked to the parents of these children. I did hear about that, Richard.
• 1:10:05
  I don't know if you're watching this stream. I think you are.
• 1:10:10
  Yeah, I mean like, I think there's like a lot of social contagions
• 1:10:13
  that are really easy to spread amongst children. I think the free things.
• 1:10:16
  The box in the restroom is too far a little bit. Yeah, I
• 1:10:20
  brought a line at you know, I think I'm a wolf. But you
• 1:10:25
  know. The thing is, though, when I was a kid in high
• 1:10:27
  school, and I'm old, so like when I was in high school in
• 1:10:30
  the early two thousands, it was rave punk. Everybody was wearing little ears,
• 1:10:36
  everybody was sucking on pacifiers and going to raves and oh, then you're
• 1:10:41
  you're totally younger than me. Then oh I remember that period, and I
• 1:10:44
  remember that though nobody I do get that period, okay about it, but
• 1:10:48
  it happened passes. Yeah. When I when I see people going, look
• 1:10:53
  at what zoomers in high school look like, I'm like, bro, have
• 1:10:56
  you forgotten what we were doing? We were also ware raccoon tails and do
• 1:11:00
  you have the gas masks? And like the I didn't do that, but
• 1:11:04
  I love looking up those old pictures. That shit makes it. I was
• 1:11:08
  more of like the hot topic bracelets and gcos and stuff. Did you have
• 1:11:14
  like the thick sole like platform shoes? Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:17
  Yeah. It was an embarrassing time to be in high school. When
• 1:11:19
  you look back on it, you're like, this is not this is a
• 1:11:23
  weird time to be in high school. Yeah, yeah, but putting.
• 1:11:27
  But when the school goes out of their ways, I mean our school would
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  be like take your ears off when you're in class, right, when they're
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  going so far as to like let them be weird in the bathroom and stuff,
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  that's the way obviously, way too far. Yeah. I can see
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  you guys on rumble. Somebody's asking if I see them. Okay, last
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  question, and then I think we'll end it there so that you can get
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  on with the rest of your life. Thank you, Bex for talking to
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  me. Janedgar Hoover gay or just a man who has sex with men so
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  much that's the greatest headline of all time. Man, I like that how
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  the subtitle is like Clint Eastwood leaves it ambiguous he was having sex with men,
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  Susan, Yeah, that doesn't That doesn't make him gay. If he's
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  on top, it's not gay. No, Actually, you know that it's
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  funny. There are people who legitimately believe this, Like in Africa, the
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  warlords would like sodomize their their you know, the men that they conquered or
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  whatever, and they would say that's not gay. The guy who's getting sodomized
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  is gay, not me, That's what they would say. I don't,
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  I don't know. It is weird. So maybe maybe Jevgar Hoover was a
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  top and that makes it okay, I don't know. No, he was,
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  and it really really, I mean there's tons of reports that he was
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  like freaky gay, like yeah, yeah, sure, like sex and like
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  if if there were cameras, it would be his video in Harris. He
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  had the biggest blackmail collection of any person in history. That's how he ran
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  over really with the mobs through blackmail. That's for you. Sometimes I feel
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  like that still goes on, like yeah, for sure, yeah, but
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  you know, Hoover and the mob, the mob basically blackmail tub to doing
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  whatever whatever they wanted right or working in their interests. And then he took
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  that same strategy from them and said who else can I blackmail? And uh,
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  you know it became that. That's kind of where that stuff was born
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  out of. So all right, all right, well, okay, we're
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  gonna end it there. I'm gonna leave you guys, But you guys,
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  tell us you be the judge j Edgar Hoover gay or just a man who
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  has sex with men. Leave me leave me a note in the comments what
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  are your thoughts? And uh yeah, thank you Beck so much for coming
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  on. I really like talking to you because I mean, you're you're one
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  of the few people that's willing to, like, you know, go there,
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  and I like that. I have a lot of respect for that.
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  So maybe we'll have you on again sometime if you if you're interested, if
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  you get me when you watch that Channel four thing and that State Department thing,
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  let me know, maybe we can follow up on that. Yeah.
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  I might actually have to reach out to them about that. They probably won't
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  care because, like you know, we talked about journalists not really caring that
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  much. Well, somebody, somebody over there has to have a soul,
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  like X rights like W. Yeah, and I'm gonna put an article up
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  about Larsen soon. All right, we get even more context here, but
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  yeah, needs to be told absolutely. Yeah. I mean, if you
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  know, it's funny because if Channel four covered it, it'd probably be huge.
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  It would probably be huge, right, maybe too huge? Yeah,
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  Well anyway, it's yeah, yeah, yeah, who knows. All right,
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