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Success through Survival with Jeff Kober · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 3: To your citizens, we have a movie meltdown. Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 3: much better in the dark like Count Chocula.
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  Speaker 1: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Christian.
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  Speaker 1: And we are live, coming to you from some sort
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  Speaker 1: of convention-y thing via digital recording. So, it's been a
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  Speaker 1: long time since you've been on.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been a hot second. There's been a lot
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  Speaker 5: of changes.
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  Speaker 1: Years. So my question is always, have you seen any
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  Speaker 1: movies in the last several years? Let's have a list. Alphabetically, go.
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  Speaker 4: Too late.
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  Speaker 1: All right, moving on.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, alphabetically, that one really threw me for a loop.
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  Speaker 6: I had to start saying my ABCs.
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  Speaker 1: That's going to confuse you.
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  Speaker 5: I was homeschooled.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God, that's right.
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  Speaker 5: I forget.
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  Speaker 1: No, I should not throw those kind of things at you. So,
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  Speaker 1: let's just pick a few. Have you seen any recently?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Or would you like to address the one you were
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  Speaker 1: trying to talk about earlier? I was like, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to cover this later. Do you want
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  Speaker 1: to start with that one?
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  Speaker 5: Well, okay.
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  Speaker 6: So, let me ask you this question. Has Hereditary....
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  Speaker 1: Nobody has talked about it, but that's because I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen it, so I'm not listening.
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  Speaker 3: To any of these people.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, so we're not talking about Hereditary.
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  Speaker 1: I know everybody else has already seen it, so I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm just, why bother being last to the party now?
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  Speaker 1: I'll just put it off for another year or so.
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  Speaker 6: I saw that one, and I have some very strong
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  Speaker 6: thoughts on that movie, so we'll just put that one
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  Speaker 6: on the shelf for now.
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  Speaker 1: Eventually we'll get to that one.
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  Speaker 6: Uh, well, like, the one that we were talking about earlier,
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  Speaker 6: and I, yeah, I guess it has been years because
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  Speaker 6: I saw La La Land.
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  Speaker 1: Is this the first time you'd seen it?
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  Speaker 6: No, I saw La La Land when it was in
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  Speaker 6: the theater still, but I just, like, I guess I've
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  Speaker 6: just been having this burning desire to discuss it.
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  Speaker 1: Burning desire for Orion.
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  Speaker 3: I understand.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and it's not even necessarily that. I just feel
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  Speaker 6: like he's just this, like, hot piece of man meat,
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  Speaker 6: which he can be.
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  Speaker 5: And we were discussing earlier that.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I said. I was like, sometimes I can
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  Speaker 1: see that. Other times I'm like, not really. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: He's a total Monet some days.
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  Speaker 5: Some days, but it depends on the role, I feel like.
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  Speaker 1: That probably factors in.
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  Speaker 6: We were kind of talking a little bit about Crazy
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  Speaker 6: Stupid Love, which again, that's a much older movie than
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  Speaker 6: I saw a while back, but he plays the role
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  Speaker 6: very well of giving Steve Carell this makeover and being
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  Speaker 6: this manly man and this womanizer and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that Steve Carell can do any of
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  Speaker 1: those things.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Steve Carell, yeah, he's kind of typecast and he plays
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  Speaker 6: the same kind of characters every time.
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  Speaker 1: I think he typecast himself by always doing that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he does.
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  Speaker 1: I like him enough, but it is what he does.
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  Speaker 5: He does a pretty decent job of it.
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  Speaker 1: He does.
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  Speaker 6: So Ryan Gosling and then Emma Stone together are probably
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  Speaker 6: one of my favorite modern couples because.
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  Speaker 1: They're not half of those.
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  Speaker 5: They're not like well i like the other half quite
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  Speaker 5: a bit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean if you can work those out i'm all
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  Speaker 1: for it get them on the phone let's get them over.
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  Speaker 6: Here well let me yeah let me just dial up
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  Speaker 6: my old friend emma please do but yeah like i
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  Speaker 6: really enjoy them because you know i feel like They're
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  Speaker 6: both very attractive, but at the same time, there's this
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  Speaker 6: realness to both of them. There's not this super fake
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  Speaker 6: Hollywoodness about them.
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  Speaker 1: There's like two levels to her. She can be total
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  Speaker 1: next door. She can be girl next door to the
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  Speaker 1: point that you're like, did I used to work with her? Oh, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's Emma Stone. She can totally pull off a real person,
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  Speaker 1: but she can be- We used to work together. red
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  Speaker 1: carpet like superstar and you're like oh no she's gorgeous
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  Speaker 1: but so it's it's weird that she can actually like
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  Speaker 1: pull off both.
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  Speaker 6: Of those yeah if it if it was Emma Stone
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  Speaker 6: that you were trying you know confusing me for I
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  Speaker 6: can totally say.
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  Speaker 1: That it's not the first time it was totally.
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  Speaker 6: Emma Stone yeah but no she can totally do that
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  Speaker 6: and like Ryan like he can he's not necessarily.
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  Speaker 5: Like the boy next door but at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: He's not Weren't you on Mickey Math Club or something?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he totally was.
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  Speaker 7: I know.
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  Speaker 5: And he's like, yeah, he's kind of got that goofy
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  Speaker 5: look about him. And even when he was, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in The Notebook, you know.
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  Speaker 6: The quintessential chick flick and all this stuff. Like, he
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  Speaker 6: played a great character.
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  Speaker 5: But even then, I mean, it was before.
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  Speaker 6: Well, no, it was after that, I feel like, where
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  Speaker 6: he became this big heartthrob. Because even in The Notebook,
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  Speaker 6: it was just kind of like, eh.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he's an all right dude. He's an all
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  Speaker 5: right actor. He had this, like, I feel like he
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  Speaker 5: had a really bad cowlick in there or something. He just,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. It was just like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Something about him. Yeah, there was something about him. Totally,
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  Speaker 1: no thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: His name was Noah. You know, like, it just, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It just, I don't know. It was just kind of odd. But, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: La La Land. So, you know, here you have, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, this modern musical, you know, set in you know,
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  Speaker 6: an undisclosed time period, but, you know, modern day LA.
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  Speaker 5: Because there's... Well, yeah, now.
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  Speaker 1: Alternate now because half those locations they've gotten rid of
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  Speaker 1: and closed down.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: You can't go there anymore.
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  Speaker 6: But then they also have smartphones and things like that.
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  Speaker 6: But like, you know, yeah, I watched the movie and again,
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  Speaker 6: I feel like I really enjoy them as a couple.
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  Speaker 5: But the thing I liked about the.
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  Speaker 6: Musical aspect of it is Their voices were very real
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  Speaker 6: and they weren't like crazy auto-tuned. They're not crazy good singers,
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  Speaker 6: like either one of them, but I enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very realistic as you're being thrown into a musical.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it still works.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Most people wouldn't even be able to carry it so
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  Speaker 1: that it would fall apart. They're at the mid-level where
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound like they're going to be on The
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  Speaker 1: Voice next week and knocking people out with weird vocal tricks.
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  Speaker 1: But at the same time, they can carry a tune.
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  Speaker 1: They can hold their own on these songs. So it
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  Speaker 1: still kind of works as a musical. But they also
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  Speaker 1: seem like.
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  Speaker 5: Didn't I used to work with her?
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  Speaker 1: Right. So, yeah, once again, it kind of works on
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  Speaker 1: that level.
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  Speaker 6: Then you have the whole dancing aspect. They were fantastic dancers. Again,
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  Speaker 6: not anything, you know, they're not Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. But, like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, they did a pretty good job on the dancing.
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  Speaker 6: And then you have, you know, his whole character is
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  Speaker 6: being a jazz pianist.
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  Speaker 5: Pianist.
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  Speaker 1: Please, this is, we're a family friendly show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So he's a jazz.
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  Speaker 1: Never said such things on this show.
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  Speaker 5: Pianist.
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  Speaker 6: And, you know, he actually went and had lessons and
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  Speaker 6: learned how to be, you know, jazz musician. as much
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  Speaker 6: as you can be a, learn to be a jazz musician,
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  Speaker 6: I guess, because that's more like improv.
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  Speaker 1: It is what jazz is.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: There is no structure-ish.
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  Speaker 5: But, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: There's talent, but not overwhelming structure.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 6: But, I mean, he learned how to play the piano,
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  Speaker 6: you know, and it's not just like, you know, they're not,
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  Speaker 6: you know, throwing in a, a shot of, you know,
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  Speaker 6: some famous pianist playing piano when, when it's his time.
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  Speaker 5: Like, he's legitimately doing it. And, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I was just thoroughly impressed by that. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you have the movie. I think it's a wonderful soundtrack,
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  Speaker 6: wonderful score. And, you know, you come to the end
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  Speaker 6: and it's not just that rote happy ending and they live.
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  Speaker 8: Happily ever after.
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  Speaker 5: And you know what?
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  Speaker 6: But I didn't walk away feeling let down and feeling disappointed.
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  Speaker 6: I was just like, you know, I still felt pretty good. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I still find myself listening to the soundtrack.
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  Speaker 6: you know, when I'm having, you know, a kind of
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  Speaker 6: day or what have you, like I, you know, throw
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  Speaker 6: that soundtrack on and I just, you know, I feel
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  Speaker 6: like I can sing along and I feel like that's,
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  Speaker 6: you know, part of what makes a good musical is that,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you have these songs that you can sing
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  Speaker 6: along to. And again, because of their, you know, the
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  Speaker 6: realness of their voices, I feel like that made it
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  Speaker 6: even more of.
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  Speaker 5: One of those things that you could, you know, be
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  Speaker 5: a participant to.
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  Speaker 1: I guess I know in my head it's a musical,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not my go-to when I think about it.
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  Speaker 1: I think, and again, this is very much of my, brain,
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  Speaker 1: I way latched on to the dark end of it,
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  Speaker 1: the sad reality end of it. Like the fact that
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  Speaker 1: by the end, it is not a cheesy romance. It
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  Speaker 1: is a self-destructive romance that every, like it's a, A
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  Speaker 1: romance that falls apart because of decisions made and choices
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  Speaker 1: not taken, and then them sitting around thinking about, oh, gee,
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if I screwed that up, and I wonder
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  Speaker 1: if I wouldn't have behaved so selfishly, maybe I could
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  Speaker 1: have made something out of that. But it's all... So
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  Speaker 1: both of them kind of take a very selfish road
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  Speaker 1: at times, and it leads to the whole thing falling apart,
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  Speaker 1: where earlier scenes, it seems like, oh, they're so perfect together,
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  Speaker 1: but they're not really, because they're both kind of selfish, and.
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  Speaker 6: But then at the same time, if they hadn't gotten
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  Speaker 6: together and, you know, it just, you know, everything happened
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  Speaker 6: the way that it was supposed to for a reason.
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  Speaker 6: And then they both were able to achieve their dreams.
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  Speaker 1: Again, from a perspective. But it's all perspective.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I don't fault it. I actually appreciate it for
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  Speaker 1: all the weird things that it does there that last
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  Speaker 1: half when it becomes sort of depressing. Because it's massively
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  Speaker 1: realistic and it doesn't take that cheesy romantic road. It
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  Speaker 1: it takes a horribly realistic road of like wow we
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  Speaker 1: probably didn't need to be in a relationship did we
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  Speaker 1: there's some awkward that that dinner scene is awkward like
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  Speaker 1: perfectly awkward like midway into that and i'm just like
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  Speaker 1: oh damn i think i've been in this conversation like
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  Speaker 1: jesus it was yeah frighteningly realistic so again i think
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  Speaker 1: that's what i when i think about it that I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: eventually I'm like, oh yeah, there's songs in it, aren't there? Huh,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be damned. Because again, it's very telling of my nature.
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  Speaker 1: I'm way more interested and attracted to the dark end
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  Speaker 1: of the story. And I appreciate it. Again, I don't
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  Speaker 1: like it for the sake that it does that, except artistically.
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  Speaker 1: There's still a sad, sappy part of me that's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: but it'd be great if they got together. but that
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  Speaker 1: ain't how the world works. So like that end of
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  Speaker 1: me always wins out. It is like, this is a
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  Speaker 1: way more interesting tale. This is a way more interesting
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  Speaker 1: project because of the way you did that. So I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it more. So again, I kind of forget the
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  Speaker 1: dance numbers and the floating on air. And like, and I, again,
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  Speaker 1: from my old school Hollywood perspective, I totally appreciate that too,
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  Speaker 1: but it gets like glossed over compared to the like
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  Speaker 1: hardcore realism that goes into the, self-destructive relationship.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, which is, I mean, you know, that's really unique.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it is a modern musical.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 6: So it's kind of unique, though, because, you know, in
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  Speaker 6: some of the old musicals, you know, that's never the case.
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  Speaker 6: It's always the heavenly ever after. You have this romance,
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  Speaker 6: you know, you have an hour and a half of
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  Speaker 6: singing and dancing.
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  Speaker 2: In musicals.
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  Speaker 1: That's not how I think back on so many of
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  Speaker 1: the old movies, and I'm like, man, some of those
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  Speaker 1: ended dark. I'm like, I feel like we then moved
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  Speaker 1: forward and you could have never gotten that kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff through a studio system. But like some of those
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  Speaker 1: old like 30s and 40s and even some of the
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  Speaker 1: 50s movies like in dark.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just like, how the hell did the studio approve this?
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  Speaker 1: So the musicals didn't usually go down that road, but
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  Speaker 1: some of the dramas.
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  Speaker 6: Well, because you had to have the happy, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the happy, giggly, you know, wonderful alternate reality to offset
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  Speaker 6: all that deep, dark, you know, depressive endings in these movies.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: Well, and you were talking about how, yeah, you're kind
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  Speaker 6: of rooting for them to be together because again, I just,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I just really enjoy them as a couple. I enjoy
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  Speaker 5: their chemistry.
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  Speaker 6: Um, and you know, that's a whole other conversation in
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  Speaker 6: and of itself is, you know, those, those pairs in Hollywood,
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  Speaker 6: you know, they've been happening since the beginning, you know, and.
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  Speaker 5: Even before that, even before movies, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, you had actors, uh, that just really had some chemistry.
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  Speaker 6: And it's just fascinating to me that, you know, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, that they find each other.
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  Speaker 1: That is part of the process. It's like not just
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  Speaker 1: me learning how to act and you learning how to act,
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  Speaker 1: but then finding a director that knows how to make
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  Speaker 1: it work and finding some sort of weird chemistry that
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  Speaker 1: works between certain acts. Because you'll also watch other ones
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  Speaker 1: that are like, oh, this is not working at all.
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  Speaker 1: You can find those performances and roles and movies and
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  Speaker 1: you're just like, man, this has fallen flat, and it
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  Speaker 1: is all due to the fact that they have no chemistry. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is something you can, it's tangible. Like, you can
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  Speaker 1: actually feel it in the presence of these movies sometimes.
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  Speaker 5: Right, right.
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  Speaker 6: And even as much as I love them together, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you get to the end of the movie, and, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it doesn't work out because they've, you know, both made
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  Speaker 6: these other choices, and, you know, they were extremely selfish.
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  Speaker 6: But then I wasn't, you know, I still didn't feel
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  Speaker 6: disappointed because I was like, even though as much as
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  Speaker 6: I like them together, I was just like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it wasn't necessarily meant to be. And this is, you know,
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  Speaker 6: this is the ending that was meant for them. So
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  Speaker 6: in any case, yeah, that's my La La Land feelings.
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  Speaker 6: And I still, like, I don't know. It just pops
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  Speaker 6: in my head every now and again. It just made
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  Speaker 6: an impression.
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  Speaker 1: So speaking of epic couples that were meant to be together,
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  Speaker 1: Would you like to use this platform to announce your
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  Speaker 1: new romance? Last night?
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  Speaker 4: So, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Me and Lori Petty, kind of a thing now.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm hearing. I mean, it's all from you.
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  Speaker 1: But I didn't witness this interaction. So, guys, take this
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  Speaker 1: story as you will. But feel free to elaborate on
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  Speaker 1: your run-in, interaction.
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  Speaker 6: So, at this particular convention this weekend, one of the
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  Speaker 6: guests was supposed to be Devin Sawa. I'm just pausing
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  Speaker 6: for you all to freak out because.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: That anybody's freaking out at this point. No offense to Devin, but,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 6: He's... There's a friend here directly to your left that
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  Speaker 6: may or may not have had her walls wallpapered with
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  Speaker 6: his pictures from Teen Beat.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that.
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  Speaker 5: And Tiger Beat. Was that one of them?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it was definitely one of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I had many of those. They just weren't of Devin Sawa. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it was on the other.
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  Speaker 6: Side, you know, on the other side of the page.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was sticking Leah Thompson in the wall.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: Right, right, you know.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: And Katharine Mary Stewart. So, no, this is, yeah, this
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: is a whole different. My Splice magazines had a different
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: picture on them. But go ahead.
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so Devin Sawa was like, oh, my gosh, I've
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: got to get his autograph and I've got to get
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: a picture. And I was already making a plan because
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: there's not a ton of people who, And it's no
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: offense to anybody, but I just don't have, I usually
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: don't make it a point to get a ton of
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: autographs and get a ton of pictures and stuff, but
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: there are a few celebrities that, you know, when I
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: see that they're on the bill, that I'm just like, yeah,
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: I'm totally going to try to.
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Meet up with them.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: And they can become your fake boyfriend.
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then they can become my fake boyfriend, like
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: Chris Sullivan.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Because you misled people, you know, in previous incarnation of
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: this little event, and you took your photo with Chris.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: And then when people were like, hey, are you guys
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: going out? Because they just saw a picture of you
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: and some dude. So most people jump to those sort of,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you know, again, it's a la-la-lang kind of world and
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to force people into relationships. So immediately they
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: jump to that, hey, look, is that you and some
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: new dude? Because not everybody knows who Chris Sullivan is.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: And I'm assuming you were just like, yep.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: I was just like, you know, I would send them
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: either a link just being... You know, answering their question or,
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: you know, just educating them a little bit on who.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: This celebrity is. You know, I would just be like, Taserface!
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: You'd just scream that every 15 minutes or so. Yeah, Taserface!
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: But, you know, a lot of people were like, Oh
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: my gosh, it's Toby! Which I do enjoy. This is us. Whatever.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: It gets me every time. I guess I just cry
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: easier now. It just comes with the old age.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Also, if you can get him to talk to Mandy,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I'd like to set that up, too. Oh, my gosh.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that would be, I would lose my mind. Well, yeah,
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: with Chris Sullivan, like, I, like, it was.
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: The night before that James Remar threw a bottle at
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: my freaking face.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Well, you were asking for that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 6: And, yeah, because I was just standing there. Apparently, James
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: Remar didn't like my face.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: You've got a very bottle-throwable face is what it sounds like.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: I was just kind of shooting the, shooting the shit
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: with James Remar the night before. And then I go
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: stand in line, get my little autographs with Chris Sullivan, which,
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: I mean, arguably, I feel like James Remar is probably.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: The bigger star of the two. He's certainly got a
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: larger body of work.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: And so, you know, you have Chris Sullivan who, you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 6: most people think that he's my boyfriend because I'm standing
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: in line and, you know, I get up to him
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: and I literally went blank. Completely blank. I'm not one
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: of those people that usually it comes up short with
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: things to say.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: Cause Brian's heard plenty of my, Oh my gosh. Plenty
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: of my stories, but he still loves to, you know,
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: lives to tell the tale. He hasn't taken his life yet.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Just in, in my, you know.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I think I am dead, but whatever.
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: I have a really slow pulse.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: Um, So, in any case, you know, I get Chris
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Sullivan's picture and, you know, I get him to autograph
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: a picture of Taserface.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: The dreamiest of all his looks. Oh, my God. gosh.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: But in any case, I'm like, uh, hi. It's really
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: nice to meet you. Uh, hi. Thank you. Smooth.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: And then he's like, okay, well, let's look at this
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: picture on your phone and make sure it's okay before
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: you go on. And so as he has my phone
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: in his hand, I was like, so you want to
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: take a selfie? And so we take a selfie and
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: that's why everybody thinks that he's my boyfriend because it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: Looks, you know, like we're friends. We at least know
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: each other, right?
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: So there was that, you know, that happened.
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: Well, so I was hoping that that was going to
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: happen with Devin Sawa.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Well, he didn't even end up at this freaking convention.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: It was what, like three days ahead of time? They
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: were like, oh, he can't come because of filming or
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: something because of his filming.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Fancy showbiz schedule what you gonna do.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: So i mean you know that's fine if he wants
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: to make you know some more material for us to
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: you know watch just leave.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: You in the wings whatever.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah and you know so you had to.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Move on and find somebody i had to.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: Move on and so my comment to brian was i
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: think i'm gonna try to find laurie petty and harass
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: her I don't know why.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: You did say that beforehand. I did say that. That's
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: making this a little creepier.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: And I don't even know why I said that because
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: I was just kind of like.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: You might be a stalker.
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: But I'm not. That's the thing. I don't have that
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: kind of energy.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: Like, you know, and so, you know, I was just like, yeah,
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: I should find her and harass her, which I don't
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: know why I said that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: You know, instead of just being like, yeah, let me
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: see if I can get.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: A picture with her.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I told you, watch your back.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah don't put up with that kind of nonsense yeah
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: she might take you down i don't know.
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: Well she wants to take me downtown i think.
• 21:31
  Speaker 6: As you learned uh an entire different way yeah so
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: in any case i kind of forgotten about that whole
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: conversation it was just kind of chilling and so we're
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: all hanging out at the bar in the hotel that
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: we're you know in for this convention and and consequently
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: staying in uh but you know so we're in the
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: bar i go to get my drink i turn around
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: and literally here's laurie petty Here's Lori Petty in her
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: sunglasses and her hat. And she just looked straight at
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: me holding her glass of wine. And she's like, I
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: hope you have fun tonight. And I'm like, I immediately spill.
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: It's like sloshing everywhere.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: I'm just like, oh, my God, it's Lori Petty.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: You're so cool. Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: And then I was like, yeah, I'm sure I will.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: And then we like cheers our glasses.
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: I cheers and.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: Then that's what you're calling it and then she's like
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: i like your shirt and then as i'm in the
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: middle of telling her that my shirt came from walmart uh.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Being super cool.
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: These people came up to her and are like talking
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: to her and i was like so what are you
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: drinking uh can i buy you another drink and she
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: was like uh she had to like ask her handler
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: what they were doing and so um apparently they were
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: going back up to.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: The hotel she's like so i'm okay but thank you
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: so much and i was like oh my gosh Lori
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: Petty just.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: Hit on me, but I have no proof of it
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: other than like, I was rolling on that high.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: For a while. You were definitely thoroughly convinced when you
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: came back over to the table area, but I didn't, again,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't witness any of this. So this is all
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: hearsay guys.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: But you know, I wish again, I just don't have
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: the energy to come up with these stories, but, um, it,
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: it did happen. That was something that happened in my life. So,
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: you know, I've, i just i don't know like i
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: know some other of the co-hosts of the show have
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: some pretty interesting stories about interacting with with guests but
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: i think i'm you know i think i'm starting to
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: come up there and you know in this uh little
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: little order that we have here because like i just
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: have some bizarre interactions with these people.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I think just people in general it's just here it's
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: a little more higher concentration of recognizable people.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming you have these weird interactions with people all
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah, absolutely.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I mean, you know, people mistake us for
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: being married all the time, including the freaking hotel, which
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: was just bizarre, too.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: But, you know, I mean, people just.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: I put those rumors to rest.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: People, yeah, people assume all kinds of things just because. But, yeah,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: so I have some really weird interactions.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: But....
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: It's just kind of funny because I'm literally just minding
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: my own business. Like, standing there trying to catch up
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: with a friend and this bottle comes flying up my
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: head and it's freaking James Remar.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Like, what the hell? I was just standing here.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: But, yeah.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Vivica A.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Fox.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, hey, look, your shoes look really uncomfortable, Vivica A.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Fox.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: And she's like, you know, girl, these are really nice.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: You know, like we're girlfriends or something.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Well, my interactions are usually pretty professional. I like to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: keep it professional. And I think we're going to take
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: our break and go hear one of those interactions now
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: as I go sit down and try to have a rational,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: professional conversation with Jeff Coburn.
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  Speaker 3: Now, on with the show. How you doing? Yeah, I've
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: been around. Apparently, if you just stick around and don't die,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: they keep putting you in things.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: That is a good strategy.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: I'm going to keep doing that as long as I can.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: That's a good move. So usually I try to start
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, so I guess... first off tell people
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: where you were from.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: I was born in montana billings montana yeah raised on
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: a farm there.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So with everybody i try to figure out when the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: arts kind of set in and when entertainment seemed like
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: an option so that's pretty far removed from that that
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: world so how how did the arts kind of find
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: its way to you there.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: You know what? I followed a woman to California.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: This is a classic story.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. And I was a kind of poor musician.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: And I mean poor in both senses. And I was
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: in a rock band called Walking Wounded. And it broke up.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And I was working at this, my first, last, and
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: only office job. And I remember that taking a class
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: made sense. So I was looking for a class. A
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: woman was going to an acting class. She said, I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: think you would like this. And so I went to
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: this acting class.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Is it something you'd kind of been interested in or
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was it you were just sort of open-minded?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: No, where I came from... actors were different than people.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: So I didn't think that I could ever... It never
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: even occurred to me.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And how old was that?
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I was 26 when I went to my first acting class.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Those little showbiz kids that start when they're in diapers.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: That's pretty far in. So then I guess... As you
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: got into it, did it seem like a career or
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: was it something you were just kind of doing because
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: it was there?
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: It seemed like a career because I wasn't good at
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: anything else.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: That's how I ended up doing this too.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: I had a lot of really, really deep feelings and
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: they seem to you know in normal life that's not
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: an asset yeah.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: It is you can kind of lean on that and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: most jobs if you start getting into your feelings they're
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: very uncomfortable yeah they're like yeah you're fired please leave
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: so i mean i guess for me and it's funny
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: i i found it recently moving i found a picture
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: of me that i'd taken at the time so it's
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: me many many years ago In my military green China
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Beach shirt. So that was, I think, the first place.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: You know, Dodger to me was like so amazing just
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: as a character. And again, at a time we were
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: still sort of iffy on how we even felt. Like
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: we started making a lot of movies coming out of
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: the 70s, but we still didn't really know what to
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: do with that war. I don't know that we've gotten
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to it yet, but like nobody really knew what to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: do with anything going on there. So a primetime TV
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: show that was trying to kind of tackle the stuff
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: that you were doing is pretty amazing. So, I mean, again,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: how did you get into that role? And then, again,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you're kind of dealing with so much there as far as,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: you know, you're representing a lot of real guys out there.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: So I guess how did you approach it from that angle?
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, Dodger from China Beach was the guy
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: who had seen too much. You know, he had the
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: thousand-yard stare and– Frankly, that's kind of who I was inside,
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: you know, and it was like it was a place
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: for everything I had going on with myself to put
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: it there, not as therapy, but as expression. And the
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: beautiful thing about China Beach was we really knew we
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: were part of a movement in consciousness of owning that war.
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: And of welcoming those men and women home.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Which didn't happen in the real world.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And, and, and everyone, I know I, and just, I
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: think everyone in the show was committed to doing it
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: so that someone who was there would say, yes, that's
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: the way it was.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And that was, you know, a couple of veterans have
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: come up to me today and, and, and told me,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: you know, you, you did it right. Thank you. Yeah. And,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: That was my audience. That was my target audience.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Yours in particular, because he has, like... It's one of those,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you see these guys that later come back and are damaged,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and it's weird seeing him, like, out in the field. Like,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: he's still carrying a gun around, and you know how
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: unstable he kind of is at that point.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, when you take a young man and
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: train him to kill, when you're 18 years old, you
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: don't know a thing.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And then let him loose out there.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: You think you know everything, but then you... You're just
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: trying to figure it out. And they say, this is
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: what you're supposed to do. You're meant to kill. And
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: they're the enemy. And well, how do I know that?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: They look different than you. Okay. You know, so it
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: trades on the lowest common denominator of being a human.
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: It trains them to dehumanize certain aspects of the population
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: and to take them out as a way of dealing
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: with your fear.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: If I kill enough of them, my fear will go away.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: So.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Being afraid is a part. It's like it takes everything
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: that is base in a human being and blows it
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: up and then sets them loose. And then after four years,
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: it's like, okay, we're done.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go back home. Go back to your regular life.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, that's you and KC. You know, Marg is,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: especially as you two are kind of like, as the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: relationship went on, as the seasons went on, and you
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: two trying to sort of find a way to help
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: each other. Like, it really is, because she's like, a
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: totally different side of that horrible world and is equally
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: as damaged. So like you two as, as like the main,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: for me, like the main focus of that was just
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: how messed up that world was. And both of your
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: characters trying to survive it in totally different ways. And it's, yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it was an amazing show.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So again, I, I'm trying to hit movies, but I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: can't leave that one alone. Um, first power was one
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of those that like, I saw it with my friend
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Dave and we were so taken with it. I have
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: to ask on the buddy boy line, was that scripted?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Because we said that to each other for years after.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was scripted.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It became just a thing. But yeah, you sell it
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: so well because it seems like something that could be
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: done wrong and it could come off kind of cheesy,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: but it's always threatening and menacing and yet a familiarity
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: of like, oh, it's very uncomfortable. And it works.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Well, Bob Reznikoff wrote and directed that. I don't think
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: anything was changed. It was such a well-crafted script and
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: truly twisted. We shot that during the time that Richard
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: Ramirez was on trial in Los Angeles. And the character
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: was based on him. And I actually went to his
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: trial and watched him. that's that was creepy.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah i mean and you i mean that that is
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: one of those reoccurring things that i i was gonna
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: have to get to is like when you get to
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: a place that that's that dark because you've certainly played
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of dark characters over the years like how
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: do you separate it i've asked people that before it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: like when you're doing that all day long how can
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: you get yourself back out of that place well.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: That was the that was the last one i did
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: where i uh I took it personally. And that one
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: taught me a lesson to not take it personally. And so, like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: I really went into the darkness of that. And it
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: took me a while to get back out of it.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: But then I played a character on Law & Order
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: SVU where I was leader of a cult. I had
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: a 12-and-a-half-year-old wife. I was the cause of the death
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: of 24 kids.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Shit.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: And I played it differently. I played it as a
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: man of God. And I was really trying to be helpful.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And I was with Mariska Hargitay. I was just really
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: trying to be helpful with her.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: That's a different mindset. Like when you delude yourself that much,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like you don't, you're not guilty. You're helping people. And
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: then I tried to watch it with my family. And
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I got through the first scene. I said, I can't.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: And I left. Because in context, that's creepy as hell.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: Inside me, it was like, I'm just being nice.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost easier to process for other people if
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you at least feel like there is some darkness. That
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: you do at least feel guilty for doing horrible things.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, he didn't feel guilty at all.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: But when you feel nothing... And I didn't feel guilty.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I was happy. That is sociopath through and through. Which
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: is frightening. So yeah, it's kind of hard to pull
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: yourself out of that mode. Okay, so moving to a little...
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: possibly sillier world, jumping to Tank Girl. Had you read
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: the comic beforehand? Did you know what you were getting
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: yourself into?
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. You know, I've got a friend, Mark Roberts,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: who's a producer and a writer, and he also acts,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: but his only acting chops is that he bases each
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: thing that he does on an animal.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: And he said, I'm playing this one as a giraffe,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: you know, and And I've only done that one time,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: and that was on Tank Girl. You kind of have
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: to in there. Well, but I played Booga. When I
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: was a kid, I had a Newfoundland, and her name
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: was Yoko. And I played Booga as my Newfoundland. Nice.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: And it was entirely based on being a dog and
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: slightly damaged.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Which is a running theme, as we've said.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: And it was actually in the script because it says
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: there's a place where, I don't know, Jet Girl or
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Tank Girl is asking, well, who were you before in
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: your last life? Because we all remember who we were.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: You know, one guy was Jack Kerouac. Reggie Cathy, God
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: bless him. He just passed away recently. And Ice-T was
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: a cop. And I was a, I said I was
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: a dog, but I was a really good dog. So
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: in this life, I got to be a human kind of,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: you know, like.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: I do connect pretty well with my dogs. I can
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: see feeding off of that. While we're on not-so-serious territory,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I guess one of my co-hosts is like, was obsessed
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: with cory haim so she will kill me if i
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: don't ask something about demolition high um again that that
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: one you're back to being a menacing character yes but
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: it's it's certainly a lower budget than you've been you're
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: coming off of some pretty high budget stuff so like
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: back to a more minimal action kind of a thing
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and working with Corey, which, again, he had ups and downs.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: So I'm not sure what state he was in when
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: he was shooting that.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: You know, he had his mom with him the whole time.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: And he was clean but struggling.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, we met him a year or so beforehand.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And he had his mom sitting at the table with him.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I think that's the only way he made it as
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: far as he did.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: He was such a sweet kid. So sweet. I really
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: loved meeting him, working with him.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a lot of potential. Again, the business
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: sort of took advantage of him.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you can say that, but you also
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: got to look at the fact that people don't get
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: into the world of acting because they have strong psychological chops. Yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: You've got to be a little.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: You're open to things. You're open.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: You have to be vulnerable to be a good actor.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: His strength was that he was vulnerable, but he started
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: at such a young age. No one's giving you cues
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: as to how to walk through this thing. You're making
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: this up as you go along. When you're vulnerable like
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: that and don't have any way of dealing with the
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: way life feels... You've got to find something. And, you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: drugs are a really good tool for that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: That's why most artists, you see, it's not acting and musicians. And, like,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: it becomes this crutch of how do I deal with
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: all this stuff that's being thrown at me. And, like, it's, yeah.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Well, and you either go to drugs or you go
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: to ego or you go to spirituality.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: And sometimes you go through the mix and end up with.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Spirituality i mean there's a healthy version i feel like
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: where you get a good family that's supportive and like
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: there's a handful of people that like survive that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Way like ron howard yeah really good example that's a
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: good yeah well there's there's a big like i've got
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: so many more recent stuff but is there any because
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: there's so much stuff in the middle that's.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: As you say stick around for a while like Again,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: I'm focusing on movies, but TV credits are so overwhelming.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: There is something to be... I mean, that used to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: be kind of a thing. I've talked to people that
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: were kind of a working actor in the late 70s
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: and into the 80s, and that was a thing. I
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: don't see it as much anymore. It doesn't seem like
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you see people that are logging... Maybe because they're not
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: shooting shows the same way they did back then, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: to be able to like log in that many hours
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: and that many different shows is kind of a feat
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: in and of itself.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Well, you used to be able to make a living
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: as a guest star.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: You kind of can't anymore. Um, but you know, they just, it's,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: I just, I'm just, I just, I've been blessed.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: You know, there's some standouts for you that were like
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: moments in that run that are just like, I'm so
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: glad I got to do this.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Well, the walking dead is one of those. Um, I'm
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: recurring on NCIS Los Angeles right now and working with
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Linda Hunt and it's just like, oh my God. I
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: just worked with Octavia Spencer on her new series, Are
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: You Sleeping? And it was a really nice scene. You know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: I did a show called Nothing Sacred. I got to
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: play the ne'er-do-well brother of a priest and I, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I recruited on that. You know, there have been There
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: have been jobs that have just been fantastic to do,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and other ones were... It's a job. I think I
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: did five Chuck Norris shows. Walker, Texas Ranger, and.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Different character each time?
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Random guy that gets kicked?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: No. I always played the boyfriend or the husband of
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: someone who abused either the child, the woman, or both.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: And then Chuck would either kick my ass or kill me.
• 43:20
  Speaker 7: Sure.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: And I'd already done several of these. And they called
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: and said, we would like you to come and do one.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: And I said, no, man, because they're just going to
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: put me in the same role again. And they said, no, no, no.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: They promised this is a different role. I said, well,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: let me see the script. They said, you have to
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: fly tonight. They'll give you the script at the airport.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: I said, it's different? Yeah, it's different. OK. And so
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I get on the plane. I start reading the script.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: There I am beating up my wife and getting killed
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: by Chuck.
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: I was like, come on.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: But I learned something on that job. And I hope
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: that your audience can use this.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: On the plane, I knew I was already committed. I
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: was going to be two weeks in Dallas working with Chuck.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I love Chuck. And he's a sweetheart. And it's a
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: really good group of people. But I was going to
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: be doing that guy again. And I said, you know what?
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I'm going to enjoy this job if it kills me.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: And I did.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't die, and I enjoyed it. So we get
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: to choose.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, it is true with most things in life.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: It's perspective. I mean, there are people that have a drudgery,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: and they get themselves into it, and it's self-fulfilling prophecy,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: and you fuel your own anger. And again, this is
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: what leads to that weird depression. But when you're being
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: cast in this role over and over again, at some
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: point do you start to take it personally? You're like,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: why am I the wife, Peter?
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Again! No, because, you know, here's the thing. Partially, it
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: was a way to come to terms with those things
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: inside myself. Secondarily, it's a way of owning the fact
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: that if I'm human, I have this in me. And
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: for us to say that Hitler is different than us
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: is for us to discount that within ourselves. And thirdly,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: when you do this long enough, You have to come
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: to terms with the fact that what I am is
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: none of my thoughts. It's none of my feelings. It's
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: none of my ideas about myself. What I am is spirit.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: And spirit is not touched by any of this stuff.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Spirit is not changed by any of this stuff. Spirit
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: is perfect, pure, whole, and complete. It always has been.
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: It always will be. That's what I am. And whatever
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: mask I'm putting on is the mask I'm putting on.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I'm putting on one now. I'm not consciously going, I
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: need you to see me a certain way. I'm trying
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: to speak from something that's not a mask, but it's
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: coming through the mask of Jeff.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Again, we all kind of do. I mean, when people
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: get up and go to work every day, no matter
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: what their job, sit behind a desk. You have to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: put yourself in that mindset just to make yourself get
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: up and do it and just to deal with the
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: people you have to deal with. Again, this is a
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: healthier way to put yourself through this stuff.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: As an actor, you get to practice it over and
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: over and over again. Doing one job my whole life,
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: would have killed me yeah so i.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Think a lot of people it takes a toll yeah
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: or it does it absolutely does yeah so at least
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: it yeah you can mix it up and in this
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: version yeah you can filter it through different characters and
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: have a different take i don't.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Know what i'm going to be doing next week necessarily
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: and i don't know who i'm going to be working
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: with and so you learn to just like bond quickly
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: and easily yeah you know there's all kinds of great
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: aspects to this job.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: Definitely I mean, it is just so different in different locations,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: different people. So you've got a lot of stuff to
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: kind of get thrown in there. And you can, again,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: there is a downside to that. You see people that
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: that takes a toll on, but it's perspective again. It's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: how you look at it. So of the newer ones
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I was going through, and I'm like, Sully, I mean,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: working with Clint?
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, come on.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I worked with Clint. I mean, I have to kind
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: of ask, working with Clint, I mean, what's that process?
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's fantastic. You know what? Here's... Clint is surrounded
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: by 100 people who have been working with him for
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: at least 20 years. And they would all take a
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: bullet for him. And here's Clint. Usually it's like rolling
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: speed marker, scene 21, take 2, marker. And then they
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: click and then someone goes, and action. And here's Clint. Okay, Jeff,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: whenever you're ready.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: So he just leaves a lot of it for you
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: to take. So how interactive does he feel like, you know,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: if you're doing something he doesn't approve of?
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: It's funny because we were doing a tracking shot where
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I'm walking with the kid who's Sully as a kid,
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: and I'm his first flight instructor. And I'm walking, and
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: there's a camera following, and the kid, this is his
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: first movie, so it's shooting over him onto me, and
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I've got to have, it's got to have just a
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: piece of him in it, but the camera's got to
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: be seeing me.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: And so the kid is looking at me, and he's
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: walking in front of the camera, and I'm trying to
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: get ahead, and he's walking. Here's your mark. Here's your mark.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: And we're walking, and it's just like, so, you know,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: they stopped the take, and Clint came over and took
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: me by the elbow and just said, okay, you walk
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: over here, and he says, look what I'm doing to you.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: He says, this is why I became a director, so
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: no one could do this to me.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Well, That is, I mean, talk about somebody with a
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: body of work.
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes because you see how quick he now
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: puts out movies as a director. And I'm like, he
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: used to do that as an actor. So the fact
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: that he, like, when he backed away from acting as
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: much as he did, he, like, turned up the heat
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: on the directing. And, like, he is so prolific now
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: as far as just constantly wanting to create new work.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: Well, he's got, you know, one of the secrets of
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: longevity is to stay alive.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And he has certainly done it.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: He just kept moving forward. Yeah.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Again, just amazing that he's put out what he does
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: and he still is good at doing everything you know
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: he's fantastic yeah well the the main one and just
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: because i had such a recent tie-in i just um
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: harris dren and katherine curtain was just on and this
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: past year and this was one of those like i
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: i talked to them i saw beauty mark and i'm
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: just like i've seen you in a lot of stuff
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: That's a whole new level. That character, and again, you've
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: played a lot of evil characters, but this one was
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: disturbing in an entirely different way because, and this is
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  Speaker 1: what I will give credit to writing, directing, and you
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: in particular, you really get a sense of this guy
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: as an actual human being. And for being what he is,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I guess, minor spoilers for it, but he's certainly evil,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and it is involved in What is our proper terminology?
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  Speaker 3: Pedophilia?
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely a pedophile. So it would be really
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: easy to completely demonize him and to completely make him
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: as evil as essentially he is, but that's not the
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: way the world works, and that's not how he convinces
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  Speaker 1: these kids to do this. He is very charming. He
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: comes off very nice, and I don't think he's faking it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Once again, he's another one of those that I feel
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: like he doesn't feel like he's doing anything wrong, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know, before I ever got involved in that movie,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I've read about pedophiles who, they don't think they're doing
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: anything wrong at all.
• 50:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: They really don't. And they just love little kids. And
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: my friend Summer Crockett Moore recommended me to Harris for
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: this role. And it was one of those roles that
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I was never going to do. Yeah. I'm never going
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: to play a pedophile. I just don't want to do it.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: It's rough.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: And she said, talk to him. So I got on
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: a Skype call with him and he started talking to
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  Speaker 3: me and I went, shit, I have to do it.
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: Because of Harris. What he said, the way he said it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: And I just, again, I played it as if I
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: were in love with her.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: And it's genuine. And that's the scary part. Like, if
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: it felt like even you were being sinister and trying
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: to put something over on her, but you don't ever
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: feel that. You feel like he genuinely loves her, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: she is being seduced by him because he's so believable
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and nice, seemingly. And it's, yeah, it's a phenomenal performance,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and she is also, like, the fact that I know
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: she's going to be huge. Like, she's so damn good.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, she's so good.
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: And just what a dream to work with.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: God, we had such a good time.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Where are you shooting? Because I'm actually based out of Louisville.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Were you shooting it there?
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: We shot it all in Louisville.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: And then we did most of the stuff, most of
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: that exterior. Because my neighborhood up until recently when I
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: moved was a few over from.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Where you were shooting. Right. What do they call that neighborhood?
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: That is Portland.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: Portland.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Portland.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: And it's a rough neighborhood. It certainly has had rough times.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: They're trying to revitalize it. They're trying to change things,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: but it was a rough little neighborhood. So the fact that, yeah,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: you guys came in and were willing to work with
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: that and try to... It is part of them trying
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: to revitalize that as well and to bring in a
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: whole new industry and try to.
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: So it was.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an interesting little neighborhood you got thrown in
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the middle of.
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's such an amazing performance.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: And everybody.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: catherine was so she came on and was just so
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: intense like she's just she's so and and most of
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: that was again kind of that same idea of like
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: trying to bring the filmmaking industry to new places and
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: trying to like she kind of got into this role
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: of like just talking about how functional it is and
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: how how much it helps the of these smaller economies
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: and like why why aren't all these towns trying to
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: bring this industry to them and yeah It was really interesting. So, yeah,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: I guess what was your take on the time spent?
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: I had a great time. I really had a good time. Yeah,
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: it was pleasant there.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a phenomenal role. So, that's one of the
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: newer ones I wanted to talk about. Do you have
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: new stuff coming out that you want to tell people about?
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: So, right now, Leave No Trace. Yeah. Directed by Debra Granik,
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: starring Ben Foster and Thomasina. Formerly of Winter's Bone.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: She is... One of the most fantastic directing experiences I've
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: ever had. She was just fantastic to work with, and
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: it's a good movie. Okay.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: We'll look for that.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: And watch for Block Island. Oh, and we've just finished
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: Locked Picture on a movie that I wrote, in which
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: my tin-type photography appears, starring Leslie Hope and Bruce Greenwood.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: It's called.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: It was called Exposure. I don't know what it's going
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: to be called now. We're looking at... It might be Tintype.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: It might be Tintype Exposure. It might be Long Exposures.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Look for any of these.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, any of those.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Watch for Leslie Hope, Bruce Greenwood, and me, Jeff Kober.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I think we're good.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, man. Thanks for talking with me.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: That was great. It was a pleasure.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 54:51
  Speaker 10: Wake up this morning, feeling low, where my loved one
• 55:03
  Speaker 10: used to live.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Hey, Jacqueline.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Hi.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Guess what?
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• 55:20
  Speaker 4: We're broke. Yeah, we definitely.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I'm turning my.
• 55:26
  Speaker 11: Pockets out right now.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Nothing that's what i'm saying i do that every week
• 55:48
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• 55:51
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• 56:04
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• 56:11
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• 56:44
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• 56:45
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• 57:22
  Speaker 11: All I do, all day long, fall down on my
• 57:28
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• 57:37
  Speaker 1: This is John Carroll Lynch, and you are listening to
• 57:45
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• 57:46
  Speaker 12: I came singing songs of love. Then when the hurdy-gurdy
• 57:55
  Speaker 12: man came singing.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: We're not a couple. I'm just saying that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: Did he hit on you?
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: No.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: We got along pretty well, though.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: Well, that's good.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I. I think there were no of those.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I ran across many people. And while you were gone
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: earlier in the span of that time, I saw your girlfriend.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: She wandered past me. Robert Englund went right past me
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and Lou Diamond Phillips. So I've had a lot of
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: like interactions. And by that, I mean walking past me
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: in the hallway. But like I was in the vicinity
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: of several people a day, but none of which I would,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: you know, pretend to have a relationship with yet. At
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: this point.
• 58:51
  Speaker 13: Okay.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: I can respect that.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: Oh, I forgot.
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: I almost ran over Judge Reinholdt getting off the elevator
• 58:58
  Speaker 6: the other day.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Checked him into the wall.
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I did.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I body checked him. Get out of my way.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to get off the elevator.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Here come the judge. Slammed him into the wall. Had
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: his uncalled for. Poor judge.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: He was in my way. What do you expect me
• 59:12
  Speaker 5: to do? Had to get to see my girlfriend.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: Alright, well, I think we've about rounded this one out.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: A big thank you to Jeff for talking with me,
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: and he's awesome, and Again, he's been in a million
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: things and will probably continue to be. As he said,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: strategy is stay alive. Just stay alive. And you get
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to make more stuff. So, support him and go see
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: more of his movies for as long as he shall live.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: And maybe after. Again, Zombie Jeff would be pretty cool, too. So,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: I'm sure. He's done a lot of weird, dark characters.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Zombie can't be that far removed.
• 59:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't blame that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was killed on The Walking Dead, so
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming he's shuffling around somewhere out there now, huh?
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: yeah it was not a good death if i remember
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: but you know he's still parts of him are still
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: shuffling around i.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: Still don't understand why he hasn't been a zombie yet
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: that's i feel like he.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Is somewhere in the works he's a walking dead you
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: just i don't think we got that big scene but
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: he's out there shuffling around rick will trip over him
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: later he'll just be a pair of legs somewhere eventually
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: as these zombies start to rot and fall apart we've
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: got to be getting pretty close right i mean It's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: been several years now. They're all going to start to
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: completely deteriorate. Soon it'll just be a big bunch of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: dust and people will have to form a real society again.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: That ain't going to happen. We can't even do that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: in this reality. Good luck walking dead, people. Alright. I
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: think we're about out of here.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Sounds good.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Same key feed. Thanks for listening. I'm all alone now.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: No love to shield me. I'm lost in a world
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: that had distorted reality.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 11: Happiness you took from me and left me alone with
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 11: only memories. Through the wounds of my life, through the
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 11: tears that I shed, Oh, cause although you're gone, I'll
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 11: keep holding on to the happy times when you were mine.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 11: As I peer through the window of lost time, looking
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 11: over my yesterdays.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 13: All alone I get all in vain. Tears Tears Tears Tears.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 9: Thank you.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 13: Reflections, oh Reflections, oh Reflections, oh Reflections, oh Reflections.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 10: Oh.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 5: Reflections of Reflections of And then I have a really
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 5: bad habit of like, just like eating it. And so
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 5: I'll try to remember not to.
• 1:04:41
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