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Laying out the Chicago Cubs offseason agenda; Jed Hoyer speaks · North Side Territory: A Chicago Cubs Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory, presented by Fox One Foul Territory
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  Speaker 1: Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm Saudi Charma with my partner Patrick Moodey.
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  Speaker 1: We are your Cubs beat writers. Over at the Athletic. Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: we had our end of season press conference with Jed Hoyer.
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  Speaker 1: It actually lasted pretty long. I was I looked out
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  Speaker 1: quarter and saw like nearly an hour. We didn't get
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  Speaker 1: to the hour mark. I think some of theo's he
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  Speaker 1: was able to surpass the hour mark. And Jed is
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  Speaker 1: not one who is short on words. He can the
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  Speaker 1: best of them. But yeah, I guess, you know, I honestly,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't feel that strongly coming away from it, like
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  Speaker 1: there was some big theme or or some strong statement.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there were some very obvious topics that we
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  Speaker 1: were going to hit and nothing I didn't come away
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  Speaker 1: with like, Okay, that was that's a headline, that's a
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  Speaker 1: big that's some big news there. It just felt like
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  Speaker 1: this is someone who was satisfied with the season they
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  Speaker 1: had and is looking to get back to the ninety
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  Speaker 1: plus win mark and and whatever it is they do
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  Speaker 1: in the off season to do that, that's what it'll be.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I I'm not sure if that's the
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  Speaker 1: type of that's something that gets people fired up for
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  Speaker 1: the upcoming off season, But I'm not sure if that's
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  Speaker 1: what this organization is. In fact, it's funny. My my
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  Speaker 1: son was like, so, who are they going to spend on?
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  Speaker 2: Who are they getting? Like? Who do they add?
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I don't know if they go
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  Speaker 1: after big free agents anymore. I'm not sure if that's
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  Speaker 1: what this organization does. Like this just doesn't seem like
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  Speaker 1: what if they do anymore?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: Kids grow up up dreaming about valuation systems and things
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  Speaker 4: like that. Of that's how you fall in love with baseball,
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  Speaker 4: right running your predictive models against industry standards and expectations
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  Speaker 4: and accounting for potential injuries and lockouts and.
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  Speaker 3: Things of that nature. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I liked how in your league you described it as
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  Speaker 4: the epically long theo Epstein season post mortems are a
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  Speaker 4: thing of the past, because THEO would just do those
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  Speaker 4: one man shows, just kind of spilling, you know, spilling
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  Speaker 4: his heart out there, just you know, epically frustrated after
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  Speaker 4: ninety five wins seasons, and that was the standard then
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  Speaker 4: that's how the team operate. That's what seemed possible, and
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  Speaker 4: things now are more like like you say, the Cups
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  Speaker 4: are trying to build a team that wins around ninety
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  Speaker 4: wins every game and some every year, and sometimes they'll
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  Speaker 4: exceed projection, sometimes they'll hit projections, sometimes they'll fall pullout
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  Speaker 4: projections like not you know, defending it as much as
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  Speaker 4: try and explain it to people who may have cockpits
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  Speaker 4: and pieces of that press conference and that look, the
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  Speaker 4: Cubs turned a corner this year. So some of the
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  Speaker 4: pointedness of previous sessions with Jed, some of the frustrations
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  Speaker 4: and disappointments just weren't there. The lame duck hot seat
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  Speaker 4: questions were not there because he received one before they
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  Speaker 4: made the playoffs for an undetermined length, at least publicly.
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  Speaker 4: They won't announce that or have not announced that, So
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  Speaker 4: you take those things off the table. They're not going
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  Speaker 4: to sacrifice a hitting coach or blame it on, you know,
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  Speaker 4: an assist and coach somewhere in that clubhouse. And I
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  Speaker 4: think we've we'll get into some of the more specific
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  Speaker 4: player stuff, but we kind of have a general outline
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  Speaker 4: of of what we're thinking so yeah, just a different
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  Speaker 4: a different sort of session than than what we're used to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're you're right, there's often the THEO years. Uh
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  Speaker 1: it was always so quotable, right, we still bring up
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  Speaker 1: somewhere along the way the offense broke. That's you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's a classic line. And and I mean, uh, Chad
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  Speaker 1: has his you know, quotables as well, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: next great Cubs team and uh uh what what's intelligence spending? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that none of that was there, and and I
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  Speaker 1: think you're right, you know, part of it is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's not laying duck. There's nothing to push him on. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't a like this. It wasn't a disaster exit
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  Speaker 1: from the playoffs. You know, maybe if they'd gotten swept
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  Speaker 1: by the Brewers, they'd be more pressing about like, you're
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  Speaker 1: not close to that team at least that would be
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  Speaker 1: the narrative, right, and they would be easy to push
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  Speaker 1: them on that. Like they took them to five games
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  Speaker 1: and that team won ninety seven, the Cubs one ninety two.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, they should be better. They should
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  Speaker 1: they have the higher payroll.
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  Speaker 2: In theory, they.
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  Speaker 1: Should be able to beat up on them. But the
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  Speaker 1: Brewers really are a well oiled machine, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs are aiming to get to. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's why sometimes it leads to some of these not
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  Speaker 1: too interesting things like everything that you said right there
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  Speaker 1: about like it's about like valuation, it's about like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the model, what does a model say and model do?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it leads to these more boring press conferences because
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  Speaker 1: the Cubs are just going to go buy the books
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  Speaker 1: or sort of say, like buy what they're what their
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  Speaker 1: models say, and it's like it's as simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need to overthink this.
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  Speaker 1: One of the big decisions that they have coming up,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a SHOWO in Minaga and his
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  Speaker 1: his three year option. Let's put show to in Monaga
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  Speaker 1: under the DraftKings spots DraftKings player spotlight.
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  Speaker 2: Patrick. This is this isn't the simplest of contracts.
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  Speaker 1: To figure out the exact numbers, I believe they have
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  Speaker 1: an option for a three year deal. Is it fifty
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  Speaker 1: point seven or is it fifty four? What's the number?
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  Speaker 4: Fifty seven point seven five million total for the twenty six,
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  Speaker 4: twenty seven and twenty eight seasons.
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  Speaker 3: That is a club.
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  Speaker 1: Option club option, and then he has an option for
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  Speaker 1: about fifteen for twenty six if they turn.
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  Speaker 3: It down, they turn it down, and that.
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  Speaker 1: Or he can opt out out and become a free agent.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and I would say that there's almost no chance
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  Speaker 4: that Shoto would pick up an option for fifteen point
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  Speaker 4: twenty five million for next season. In that scenario, he
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  Speaker 4: would turn it down. The Cubs could then attach a
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  Speaker 4: qualifying offer to his free agency. I believe this off
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  Speaker 4: season's number is slightly more than twenty two million, and
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  Speaker 4: their Shodo would have a decision to make. Do you
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  Speaker 4: kind of take that qualifying offer and hope you can
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  Speaker 4: approximate a cy Young caliber ORed caliber season the way
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  Speaker 4: he did as a rookie. It's not unreasonable or Another
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  Speaker 4: layer to this, he had two club options essentially, was
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  Speaker 4: what he would be turning down this scenario. That is
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  Speaker 4: worth thirty point five million over two years. So his
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  Speaker 4: camp would have to say, like, can we beat two
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  Speaker 4: and thirty plus, whether it's you know, really high aav
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  Speaker 4: whether it's going longer for some security into the future.
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  Speaker 4: There's another snare there if he picks one up and
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  Speaker 4: the Cubs will have a two year option. That one
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  Speaker 4: is so remote. I'm not even going to get into it,
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  Speaker 4: because really, what it comes down to the Cubs are
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  Speaker 4: they willing to do the three years this off season
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  Speaker 4: and then from there it will almost certainly be the
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  Speaker 4: qualifying offer decision. And now, if you were a special
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  Speaker 4: assistant in that front office, the lot of how would
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  Speaker 4: you be looking at it right now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's interesting like that this was a
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  Speaker 1: slam dunk three months ago. We weren't This wasn't something
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  Speaker 1: we'd have to debate. You you pick up that deal.
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  Speaker 1: I've been going back and forth on this. That ending
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  Speaker 1: was really rough, and he hasn't been kind of I guess,
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  Speaker 1: punched in the face like this by the league where
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  Speaker 1: he's had an extended run of like this guy's struggling.
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  Speaker 1: I think that these are the questions I think they
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  Speaker 1: have to answer. The stuff was down like a mile
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  Speaker 1: per hour, a tick down on the season, mostly from
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  Speaker 1: what I saw, it was post injury. How much of
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  Speaker 1: that was because of the injury, how much of that
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  Speaker 1: was He just needs an off season and it'll all
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  Speaker 1: be back. And I don't think he's someone with a
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  Speaker 1: long history of injuries in Japan's That's the one thing
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  Speaker 1: I'd be wondering. Another thing you'd have to consider he
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  Speaker 1: is you know, it was his age thirty one season.
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  Speaker 1: He just turned thirty two in September, So you'd be
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  Speaker 1: paying for if you pick that up age thirty two,
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  Speaker 1: age thirty three, age thirty four season for picture.
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  Speaker 2: You know that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So is that Velo drop a trend? Is that
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  Speaker 1: Velo drop a blip at age thirty two, thirty three,
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  Speaker 1: thirty four. That's a legitimate question, and you have to
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  Speaker 1: that's it's really hard to answer that.
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  Speaker 2: I do think he's.
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  Speaker 1: Someone that in theory ages well because he should. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't walk guys, he has command, he's a veteran, he
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  Speaker 1: knows how to pitch all that stuff that you talk
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  Speaker 1: about with guys like him. I just don't think it's
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  Speaker 1: an easy decision anymore. I do think, like if I'm
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  Speaker 1: thinking like the Cubs, it certainly isn't an easy decision
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  Speaker 1: because every dollar counts now.
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  Speaker 2: They they the way they look at their.
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  Speaker 1: Payroll is you know, essentially, I guess it's as simple
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  Speaker 1: as this is his what's his value on the open
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  Speaker 1: market is one thing they look at, and then can
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  Speaker 1: he outproduce that value? Can he is he like, let's
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  Speaker 1: just call it twenty million a year. Can he produce
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  Speaker 1: twenty million plus value a year?
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  Speaker 2: Right? Whatever?
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  Speaker 1: War that equals out to? And my guess is it'd
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  Speaker 1: be very close. And you know, I've talked myself into
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  Speaker 1: both camps of like, no, they're not going to do
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  Speaker 1: it to and now as I talk this out and
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  Speaker 1: just the idea of like losing pitching depth and if
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  Speaker 1: you trust that, Okay, he's probably somewhere in between what
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  Speaker 1: he was in twenty four and twenty five. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's a three Like what did you pay Jamison Tye own?
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  Speaker 1: He's getting eighteen a year.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's that, right, was it four and sixty
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  Speaker 4: eight or four and seventy two.
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  Speaker 3: Something like that?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, that's I mean, so you know prices
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  Speaker 1: have gone up obviously. Yeah, that's seventeen AAV for.
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  Speaker 3: Four and sixty eight.
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  Speaker 2: Is yeah, yeah, so.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're paying a little bit more for Shadow of
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  Speaker 1: Managa per year. I think it's a it's a worthwhile debate,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see how it plays out. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it's a slam dunk anymore. And I am
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  Speaker 1: really surprised that we got to this point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I I personally think you bet on.
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  Speaker 3: Shoda.
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  Speaker 4: I think the cost of pitching just keeps going up
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  Speaker 4: and up and up. You know what you're going to
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  Speaker 4: get with Shoda in terms of his competitiveness, his work ethic,
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  Speaker 4: his ability to pitch.
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  Speaker 3: At Wrigley Field, and.
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  Speaker 4: I think sometimes you fall into these traps of like
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  Speaker 4: the stuff darlings of like, oh my god, what if
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  Speaker 4: we get him in here and you wind up with
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  Speaker 4: Tyler Chatwood, Like you always need more pitching. H This
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  Speaker 4: is kind of Jed Hoyer's fundamental belief of you can
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  Speaker 4: never have enough of it. I mean, unless like do
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  Speaker 4: the copsting showed him in AGA's just like done, Like
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  Speaker 4: is one. A couple of bad starts towards the end
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  Speaker 4: of the year make you say, like enough, because he
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  Speaker 4: looked pretty good against against the Padres, Like you shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: have been pitching to Manny Machado in the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the game there with first base open, Like coming off
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  Speaker 4: that start, I think you feel pretty good. I mean really,
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  Speaker 4: like Labor Day weekend, Choto still had a really strong season.
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  Speaker 4: I think he still put up like one point five
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  Speaker 4: war according to Baseball Reference.
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  Speaker 3: I Still.
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  Speaker 4: Having said all that, we know how the Cubs operate, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to be like, oh wow,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like they're going to talk themselves into, oh
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  Speaker 4: what if we get this guy in our pitching infrastructure. All,
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  Speaker 4: let's get him in the pitch labine, oh, pitching at
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  Speaker 4: Wrigley Field and the defense behind him. Like they are
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  Speaker 4: so bottom line obsessed that yeah. I mean, if they
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  Speaker 4: think show Doa is worth you know, say, fifty three million,
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  Speaker 4: are are they going to pay him fifty seven plus?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know like they and I do think the
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  Speaker 4: CBA expiring after twenty twenty six is something where they
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  Speaker 4: are just hesitant to commit dollars of future.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Assuming they'll be baseball played at Wrigley Field at some
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  Speaker 4: point after twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know when it'll be in twenty twenty seven.
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  Speaker 4: I would hope at some point it comes back that year,
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  Speaker 4: But they do want to know kind of the rule
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  Speaker 4: of engagement and the parameters are going to have to
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  Speaker 4: work with them. So, I mean, showed up kind of
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  Speaker 4: picked a bad time to have a rough stretch. But
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  Speaker 4: I also think it's hard for me to like listen
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  Speaker 4: to the Cubs talk about Shoulder really all the way
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  Speaker 4: up through the end of August and rave about his
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  Speaker 4: clear eyed competitiveness and his pitch ability and his baseball
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  Speaker 4: IQ and then just be like, well that September and
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  Speaker 4: October didn't go great, Like you just flush that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. It's a tough decision.
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  Speaker 1: No, And from my understanding, he is very comfortable and
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  Speaker 1: gets along with Tommy Hotteby and Casey Jacobson. They help
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  Speaker 1: him a lot. I think they have a really good
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  Speaker 1: working relationship. Yeah, it is disappointing that, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: could end like this in such a you know, like
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  Speaker 1: it seemed like such a great marriage and everything, and
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  Speaker 1: now there's a question of whether just a couple months
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  Speaker 1: of I mean, you know, literally a couple months of
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  Speaker 1: poor play could lead to him becoming a free agent
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  Speaker 1: and signing elsewhere. It's kind of shocking when you consider where,
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  Speaker 1: like how important he was when he got hurt, and
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  Speaker 1: how it felt like how do they move on with
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  Speaker 1: how showed him anaga They were able to kind of
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  Speaker 1: you know, hoole steady at the time, but he was
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  Speaker 1: such a huge piece when he returned, it felt like
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  Speaker 1: such a huge part of the puzzle, so him possibly
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  Speaker 1: not coming back would be a pretty big surprise.
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  Speaker 2: But suddenly it seems very realistic.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Northside Territory presented by Fox one. I
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  Speaker 1: mean they either way, I think they need pitching, whether
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: shouldem and Aga comes back or not. I think pitching
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  Speaker 1: needs to be a priority. And I'm not just talking
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: about the starters. A bullpen is going to be depleted.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: We don't know who's coming back. You know, I'd be
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: very surprised if Caleb thielbar Drew promarant or Andrew Kittridge
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  Speaker 1: are back and Brad Keller. You know, that just seems
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  Speaker 1: like a situation where if if he wants to take
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: a little less than what the open market is going
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  Speaker 1: to give him, maybe they could find a deal. But
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: this isn't a guy with a small agency. I'm pretty
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: sure he's excel right. They're not going to tell him
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  Speaker 1: to take that small deal to stay with the Cubs.
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  Speaker 1: In my you know, in my estimation, he does like
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: playing in Chicago. I think he very He's very comfortable
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: there and had a great time both like with everyone
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  Speaker 1: around him in the clubhouse and the fan base and
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  Speaker 1: playing at Wrigley and all that stuff. It's just it's
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: just one of those things that are in light that's
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  Speaker 1: unlikely to happen, and it's not the way the Cubs
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: really do things with relievers. So we'll see, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 1: there's a maybe there's a pathway for that to happen.
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  Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing is the Cubs. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Jed didn't I asked him about the need for strikeouts.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: You know, he complimented the defense and then in the
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  Speaker 1: end he said, but you know you always want He's like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: the best way to limit damage is to make sure
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  Speaker 1: the ball's not in play. This is a rotation that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't strike out a lot of guys. The bullpends started
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  Speaker 1: to strike out a lot of guys, especially in the
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: second half. They do a good They did a good
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: job of that. You know that's gonna have to be rebuilt.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: But rotation wise, you know, that was a that was
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: rough for them. Now adding Justin Steele and a better,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: more experienced cade Horton, maybe that ups the strikeouts. I
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: mean it should, in theory up the strikeouts. Maybe a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: full season of Jamison Tyn using that kick change takes
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: it up a little bit. I still think they need
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to go out there and get someone. I don't know
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: how they pull it off. Probably would have to be
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: via trade because they don't spend for because strikeouts are
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: expensive and I just don't see them paying drop dollar.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: That's the thing was showed up.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I think he made a good point a couple episodes
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: ago of Remember the Trade Deadline?
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: The year prior of Oh are the Cubs going to trade?
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: Jamison tye On. Oh they should, Oh what can they get?
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Well, if you do that, you're gonna go have to
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: go out and find another Jamison tie On. And to me,
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: that's kind of where some of the show to stuff lies, Like, yeah,
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: of course you like more swing and miss and more
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: v low and maybe some untapped upside or potential, but
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: you still need guys to get through the one hundred
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and sixty two game season. And if you don't want
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: to spend at the top of the free agent market
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: and sign a Corbyn Burns, and when it comes down
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: to the trade deadline, you don't want to trade any
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: of your you know, top prospects. Like where are you
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: going to get these pictures? You don't really develop them
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: internally through the draft. Obviously Kate Horton and Justin Steele
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: are exceptions, but you know, Horton was I think their
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: highest drafted picture since Mark Pryor. That was kind of
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: you You don't expect them to be drafting that high
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: again for a while, and I was Justin Steele took
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: a long time, and both these guys were talking about
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: were hurt at the most important time.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Of the year.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: So I still I still think of Shoda as kind
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: of a toss up the you know, if you look
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: at the front office having two different sides of you know,
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: the left and right side of the brain, whatever, whatever,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: the analogy is there, Like part of them I'm sure
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: is understands all that, and I think the other part
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: is just gonna be like, well, what is how can
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: we find maximum efficiency in this transaction?
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And that's where they're gonna land.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: It's it gets boring to have to defer to that,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: but that's kind of the mentality of this front office.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: You know, there's there's big strikeout guys. I mean, Dylan
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Cees is available. I think I do think this. You know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: I don't like to take too much away from the playoffs.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think Jed said that talking about the playoffs, don't
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: you know, don't overthink an eight game sample size.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: He was talking about the offense.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: But I think when I watched the playoffs, yes, they're
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: they you know, coming off a game last night where
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: there were I think seventeen runs combined and scored. This
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: maybe this doesn't hold true just based off that, but
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: I think strikeouts are really important in the postseason. Swing
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and miss stuff are really important. It's really important in
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. You know, it doesn't it can come out
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: of the bullpen, but it's nice to have.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: A guy that can give you even if even if.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Dylan Cees is giving you three four innings in the postseason,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: that's really valuable. What Jacob Mizarowski did was really valuable.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: That's why it would have been nice if the Cubs
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: had advanced. It would have been nice for them to
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: even get a innings here and there from Kate Horton
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: because he does have swing and miss stuff.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: He does he has the ability to strike guys out.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: If you look at his overall numbers, they weren't great
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: in strikeout numbers, but go look at like the last
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: ten starts he started to figure it out. He rarely
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: was learning how to maximize his stuff. I think it
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: changes the dynamic of things, and I think you in
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: the postseason you just need to throw everything at the opposition,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: especially in those earlier rounds. We'll see how the playoffs
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: play out the rest of the way, but I just
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: think getting swing and miss stuff it would be really important.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And you know, I do agree that I think depth
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and everything is important, which is why I wonder if.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Moving on from from.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: SHOWDA would be a big mistake, you'd look back on it.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: That just means, then do you need to so in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: theory starts this season, it would be sorry, they're they're
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: they get excited. Yeah, you know without him, it's tie On,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Cad Horton, Who am I missing? Who's the obvious Matthew
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Boyd Yes, So that those three to start the season
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: with Justin Steele, you know, I'm sure he wants to
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: be there for opening day, but that's probably a long shot.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So that leaves you with two spots to fill. You know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: you could say it's Javy or Asad. You could say
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: you want to try Ben Brown again. But I don't
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: think anybody wants to feel like they're they should be depth.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: You're you're aiming for ninety plus wins every year, that's
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the goal. So so they need to find ways to
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: kind of they need more and more pitching, and I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: think this year proved that they were down multiple guys
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: at different points of the season, lost a huge piece
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: going into the playoffs.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: So it's always there's never there's no such thing as
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: having too much pitching.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I guess starting pitch so so maybe maybe in the
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: end that that makes the show the decision we were
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: talking about before a little easier, and maybe that's the
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: philosophy they should lean on and not overthink it.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know. All right, all of.
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• 26:47
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• 26:51
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• 27:17
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• 27:20
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• 27:24
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• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker decision, that's a you had and what we
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: had the we had the daily Kyle Tucker injury update
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: during the season. I'm not sure if we're going to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: have a daily off season free agency update.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: For Kyle Tucker.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: You talked about this earlier, but Jed Jed's answer there
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: was a lot of like valuation and things like that,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: words that I don't think fans like are going to
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: fire up fans for the possibility of him getting a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: long term deal. I don't know if it'd be the
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: right move anyways, but certainly, you know, did the Cubs
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: even know what he wants? What type of deal would
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: he be looking at? Are they going to be aggressive?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Like I didn't come away feeling like any of that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: was really you know, clear, whether they know what he wants.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Certainly didn't get a feeling like this is their number
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: one priority and that they're going to be super great it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: I know some people may watch those press conferences from
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: home and be like, oh, he didn't say anything, or
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: you know, what's the point of this, Like it's if
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: you ask the right question, it almost doesn't matter what
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: they say.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: Like it's revealing when.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: Jed says they're gonna play their cards pretty close to
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the vest after having an entire year theoretically where the
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Cubs had an exclusive negotiating window where they would gain
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: all this inside information on what makes Kyle Tucker tick
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: and what he could bring to the team on a
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: daily basis. And I don't think the Cubs are out
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: on Kyle Tucker. In fact, I think they're going to
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: just kind of, you know, to use one of Jed's
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: like other sports analogies, kind of hang around the basket
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: and maybe see what happens and maybe they get a
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: put back. Like that seems to be their strategy in
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: general with free agents, and I don't think they're making
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker an exception. So when we can't judge everything
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: on a SoundBite while the cameras are rolling, but we
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: can take everything we've observed from the moment they traded
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: for him. We can take the years of data on
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: this franchise and how they operate and how they go
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: about pursuing free agents, and you can already see some
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: of these other scenarios starting to present themselves. And maybe
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: they're not all realistic, like they don't always materialize, but
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: just looking at the athletic like Kyle Tucker name just
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: keeps popping up whether it's the Rays with new ownership
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: in Tucker's hometown of Tampa, maybe they want to make
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: a splash. The Phillies ye an owner who's just like,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: you know, the opposite of Tom Ricketts in terms of
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: just like he's involved, he wants to make big changes.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: He spends huge money without seemingly.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: A care in the world.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: And he has a president of baseball operations, Dave Dombrowski,
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: who loves doing those big time mega deals. So probably
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: can't dismiss Philadelphia. I don't know if Kyle Tucker is
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: a New York guy or not, but they train in Tampa,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: and his swing is would probably be perfect for Yankee Stadium.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And so just.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Look, Kyle Tucker shrugs and says, we'll see what happens,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: wishes his teammates the best of luck.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: That's like the entire story, but it's not nothing either.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: And then when Jed.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: Talks about Kyle Tucker in this way of like he's
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: learned the right to be a coveted free agent, and
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: you see how the second half unfolded. I think there
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: are questions about you would you invest in him over
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: the next decade for the entire decade and it comes
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: are already predisposed to say no to those types of
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: deals anyways.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and I think you know it ended, it
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: did not end well.
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: So people may start to sort of, you know, downplay
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: what Kyle Tucker's don in his career. He's an awesome hitter, period,
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Like his numbers are excellent over the course of his career.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: A first round pick, a top prospect, a guy who's
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: played in the playoffs. Is it every year of his
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: major league career? I think, like you add all that up,
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: left handed hitter. You know, his defense didn't blow us
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: away in right field, but he's won a Gold Glove
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: and you know he's more than capable out there, plus
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: base runner, Like some team is going to make a
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: massive investment in that. I just don't see it, like, oh,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: you know, a one year deal or a three year
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: deal with opt outs, Like I just don't see that
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: happening period. And that seems like kind of the way
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: if it falls back to the Cubs, maybe, but I
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: just have a hard time envisioning him not having enough interest,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: widespread interest, to spark the bidding war that gets to
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: it to a place where maybe it is around the
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Winter meetings, and the Cubs are not a team that
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: do winter meetings, mega deals to have the entire you know,
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: hotel ballroom watching.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: H Maybe if this.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Drag towards Cubs Convention and we start getting those questions,
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: or if spring training opens and he's lingering out there,
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: that is probably more of the scenario where I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: the Cubs get back in the mix more firmly, but
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: until proven otherwise say, they seem like they're gonna position
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: themselves on the outskirts of this.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, I understand it didn't end how fans
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: wanted it to, and there's some there's a bad taste
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: left in some mouths. Four point five war according to
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: fan refs, that's right up there with every other season
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: pretty much.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was at.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Four point nine, four point nine, four point nine, four
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: point two, four point five pretty much the same season.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Those are negligible differences.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: One thirty six way to run strade a plus pretty
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: much right around where he always is.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Last season was.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Just like seventy eight insane games and he had a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: one seventy nine way to run scraat a plus. That's
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: kind of what he did for like half the season
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this year and then you know, the second half wasn't
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: as good. I just don't see a situation where he
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: is like fighting for like this one like three year
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: deal with opt outs.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I think he's going to get paid. I don't think
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the Cubs do that. I think.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: What we've learned, what I've learned over the last few
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: off seasons is like, I guess the Cubs were interested
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: in Shoheo Tani, but outside of the greatest player to
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: ever play, Like, are they even going to be interested
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: in these huge long term deals? Like what are the
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: types of players that are available that will interest them?
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: And and you know, especially the way is front office
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: thinks now, the way they behave, I just like.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: We almost have to assume they're not in.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: On these guys that are going to get six plus
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: years at thirty plus a year until proven otherwise. Yes,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: they signed Dansby Swanson, but that was three years ago.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Now that was three years ago. They don't sign those
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: types of anymore. It's the middle of the market and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: below that's I think that's kind of what we have
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to look forward, like where we have to set our
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: expectations until they prove us wrong. I don't think they're
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: going to look to keep doing trades like they did
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: for Kyle Tucker. I just don't think that that's the
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: mindset either. I think there are some in the front
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: office that look at that and say, like, look at
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: what we gave up. You know that's not you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the model hates that deal. That was an automatic turn
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: down if you look at the model. So I don't
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: know what direction this like. I know they want to win.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I know they believe that they have created some a
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: team that can win regularly. I think not having I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: really do wonder what not having Kyle Tucker how easy
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: it is to replace that production. Now, the argument would
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: be like, you don't replace it exactly. You you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: you spread it around, You get the you know, wins
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: in different areas. Maybe you upgrade the pitching, maybe you
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: get a couple guys on offense that can help out
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: position player wise. You know, is Alex Bregman a possibility?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I like right now, I go into this thinking no,
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I just like, you know, they'll they'll show interest and
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: things like that and different players, but like, unless they
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: fall to them, it just doesn't seem like they're going
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: to set the market on these free agents again or
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't say ever.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: From what we understand and the way I observe what
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: they do, I don't see them doing that. There are
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: people they will identify, like Matthew Boyd, and maybe we
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: should go through the free agent list and kind of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: think of who's undervalued or who can they get on
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: a two year deal, who can they get on a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: three year deal? But these six plus year deals just
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that their business much anymore. It's the rarity.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying. The only
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: thing I would say to our listeners is that Jed
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: says he has not been given a budget number for
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: next year. He hasn't spoken with ownership and business operations
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: yet and dug in on that we'll see too, like
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: what emerges out of this new CBA whenever that's enacted.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: Like I I do get what they're saying to an
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: extent of like you want to know the rules for
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: how you're gonna have to build the roster Like that
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: makes sense, And a lot of these deals don't are
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: going to look bad, like I think, Like did anyone
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: think Xander Bogart's deal is good at you know, like
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: paying guys to like they're forty. Like I think people
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: can reasonably understand where they're coming from.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: That.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: It's just frustrating from a fans perspective though, of like, Okay,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: well then your payroll every year should be super high
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: and allowing you to like be in the market for
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: all of all of this stuff, And it just seems
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: like they have closed off.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: Certain avenues.
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: And I think you're right in that they'll probably want
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: to see what they have in Casey and Bias steros
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: and like you let Tucker walk and you reinvest elsewhere.
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: That could be a way to get you back to
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: around ninety wins. That's not impossible, but I do think
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: there's going to be stretches next year if that happens,
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: where you're like, where's the star power, where's the guy?
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: You know, like if Pete isn't playing out of his
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: mind for like two months, and if Saya goes into
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: one of his sort of like two months slumbers, uh,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: and maybe Carson Kelly doesn't produce the.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Way he did.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, you would hope that Michael Bush keeps ascending,
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: but he had a fantastic year. What if someone gets
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: injured like Tucker, gave them a lot of security and
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: created kind of a floor or a foundation that you
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: might not miss until it's gone.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm not even saying they should spend on
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Kyle Tucker. It's more I'm very curious to see how
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: that production is replaced, and I hope it's in a way.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: I hope for the fans sake, gets in a way
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: where there's a little bit of certainty, you know it
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: going all young or going all the Matthew Boyd route,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: who is great, but just banking on that you better
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: be right.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: You need to be right.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: And this is Bregman, ain't Bregman was perfect for this team,
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: That's what. Yeah, the models, the numbers, years, all.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Of that, and they didn't guess.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And I don't know what Bregman's going to look like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: what his contract is going to look like now, And
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe it isn't going to be something crazy. Maybe
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: if it's something that's not a ton of years, maybe
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: that's something they can revisit.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: And and I.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Don't know how you fit that in. I do think
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: they like Shaw, but maybe I don't you know. Right
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: now would be a lot of speculation but I'm curious
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to see how they move forward. Is it just going
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to be like do they build like Milwaukee and Cleveland
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: and Tampa. That's going to drive fans nuts, and and
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: you know, I think they're should yeah, but I don't.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure that they'll do that right,
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm not also ruling it out.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And I think that's frustrating to fans. So we'll see.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: We have a lot of time to discuss this stuff, Patrick,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: and we're going to be talking to a lot of
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: people over the coming weeks to get a better idea
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: of how they like look at this. Because you're right
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: everything he said at that press conference, that's not the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: bottom line.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: We have to keep digging. We have to keep figuring
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: out what direction they're going to go. There'll be more.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: The GM meetings are in about two weeks, twish weeks.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: We should be there to three weeks.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: You know, we've still gotta We'll see what happens there.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: And you know, this is every off season is critical
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and this is going to be a fascinating one.
• 43:22
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