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Why Every Podcaster Needs to Experience PodFest at Least Once · Abbey the Podcast Lady

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  Hello and welcome to another episode of abby
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  the podcast lady i'm abby graves your podcasting
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  coach producer and number one hype woman for
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  getting you to hit record on your own show now
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  if you've been in the podcasting space for a
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  minute you might have heard about a little event
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  called podfest and by little I mean, it's huge.
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  It is the event to attend if you are in the podcasting
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  space. You may even be getting fed ads right
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  now for PodFest. I know my feed has been full
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  of targeted ads lately on social media. Instagram
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  and Facebook have been like the biggest ones
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  trying to get people to sign up to go to PodFest.
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  It's a huge annual conference that happens in
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  Orlando, Florida, where creators and hosts and
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  editors and just general storytellers from all
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  over the world come together and share ideas
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  and just get to be podcast nerds together for
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  a long weekend, be in a space where everyone
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  speaks the same language and genuinely cares
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  about the industry. Last January, I attended
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  PodFest for the very first time and let me tell
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  you, it completely changed. my outlook on the
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  industry. I loved the industry before, but I
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  left that weekend loving it even more than I
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  possibly thought that I ever could have. That
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  weekend totally flipped the script on how I saw
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  podcasting as a whole. And this year, I'm not
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  just attending PodFest. I actually get to speak
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  at PodFest, which Insane never thought that would
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  be happening. So today I want to take you behind
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  the scenes of what that first experience at Podfest
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  taught me and how it transformed my perspective
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  on the podcasting landscape and what I'm really
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  most excited for for this year. I just want to
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  give you a little sneak preview of what's to
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  come at Podfest 2026. So my introduction to this
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  conference actually started exactly a year ago.
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  Literally a year ago. This week is when I was
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  first being fed ads for Podfest 2025. I kept
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  seeing them pop up on Facebook and Instagram
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  and I just kind of kept scrolling past them because
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  I was kind of in a space where I was seeing a
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  lot of like online conference ads like sign up
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  for this webinar sign up for this get this free
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  download like I was just bombarded with that
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  on a daily basis. So it honestly took a lot for
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  me to actually click on one of the pod fest ads
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  I was seeing just because I was in such a saturated
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  space with it. I'm like, I don't have time for
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  another online conference. I don't want to sign
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  up for another thing where I'm getting bombarded
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  with emails. Like this just ain't it. But those
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  ads were relentless. And I'm so glad that they
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  were because I finally clicked on it. I'm like,
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  OK, what is Podfest? What is this thing? Because
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  then I found out it wasn't an online conference.
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  It was actually an in -person one. And I realized
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  it was happening in Orlando, Florida. And I looked
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  at the dates and I'm like, well, I guess I'm
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  not doing anything that week. But as a self -employed
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  person who only had been self -employed for like
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  less than six months at that point, I'm like,
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  can I? Can I go to a conference? Is that something
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  I am capable of? Can I pull this off financially
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  too? With the limited time that I have being
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  self -employed and trying to get this business
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  off the ground and get through its first year
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  Successfully and I'm like, I don't know man.
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  Should I go shouldn't I I toiled over it literally
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  for a full week I just kept clicking on the podfest
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  website and looking at it and closing it out
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  and looking at it and closing it out and I Realized
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  that it was something that was so specific to
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  what? I was looking for. Being self -employed
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  for about six months at that point, I was feeling
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  not alone and abandoned, but I mean, I had gone
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  from working at a company with branches all across
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  the country. And then I worked for a local county
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  organization that had 900 employees. And then
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  all of a sudden I was self -employed. It was
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  just Abby at Abby Graves Productions. And I realized
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  Oh, I'm kind of lonely. I feel like I'm kind
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  of all alone in this world. And I didn't know
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  anyone else who was doing what I was doing being
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  a podcast producer. I was kind of just trying
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  to figure things out on my own. And I realized
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  that if I attended this pod fest. maybe I could
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  meet some more people who were like me, trying
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  to do this on their own or maybe working for
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  a company or just trying to find other people
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  who had a shared interest in the podcasting space.
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  And I'm like, you know what? This is what people
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  do if they want to be successful. They find other
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  people doing what they're doing. So I ended up
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  booking a ticket to PodFest and there was actually
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  a ticket increase that was happening on like
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  the last day of October. I actually called Liz
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  from Sunny Mary Meadow, wrote it tourism podcast.
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  She was my first client and my friend. I'm like,
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  you know what? I want to do this and I think
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  you should come do it too. And she's like, well,
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  why would I do it? She's like, I have a podcast,
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  but why would I go to a conference on this? And
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  I told her that there was actually a entire learning
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  track dedicated to being an author with a podcast.
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  Liz had unfortunately lost her husband to a heart
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  attack a few years prior and she was working
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  on a memoir. At that point, it was just sitting
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  in a document on her computer and she's like,
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  I don't know what to do with this. I know I want
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  it to be a book, but I don't know what the next
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  steps are. I'm like, well, if we go to this conference,
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  I can go focus on the monetization tracks and
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  the editing tracks and that sort of thing. And
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  you can focus on the author track and you can
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  go learn about how to take your podcast and your
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  book and turn it into An actual published book
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  and maybe that's what we'll figure out when we're
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  there and she's like, okay, let's do it So right
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  before the ticket increase hit I actually booked
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  our tickets. I booked our flights. I booked our
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  hotel I just took care of everything I'm like,
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  okay block off your calendar for this week in
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  January because we are going to Orlando, Florida
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  for a podcasting conference and I think it didn't
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  really hit us that we were actually doing that
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  until we were like on the plane heading down
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  there and we're like What are we doing with our
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  lives? We're going to a podcasting conference.
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  Who's even going to be there? Like we didn't
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  know what to expect for attendance. We honestly
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  didn't really know what to expect for speakers
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  and learning opportunities because we had searched
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  it and we looked at the website, but we didn't
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  know exactly what we were getting into. We're
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  like, what if there's only 20 people here? What
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  if it's so tiny? And we were just kind of going
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  in blind and just hoping for the best. And we're
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  like, you know, if anything, if it's horrible,
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  we'll just. hang out in Orlando for a few days
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  and then come back home. It's a vacation. Whatever.
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  We'll figure it out as we go. So we get down
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  to Orlando, Florida, and we actually didn't stay
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  at the hotel where the conference was happening.
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  It was happening at the Renaissance at Sea World,
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  which is right across the parking lot from the
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  Sea World Amusement Park. You can actually hear
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  the screams from the roller coasters, which is
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  kind of fun. And it's happening at the same place
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  this year, but We are both early risers and we
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  stayed at, I think it was a Hampton Inn and suites
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  a couple of blocks away. So we woke up, had our
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  continental breakfast and got over to the place
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  where the conference was happening. And we walked
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  into this beautiful, like immaculate lobby and
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  the lights were hardly on. Like we were there
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  like. 8 a .m. We were there way too early. I
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  don't even think the things started until like
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  I want to say the first podfest sessions were
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  maybe at like 10 or 11 We were there like insanely
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  early just because we're both very punctual people
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  and we can't control ourselves We thought well,
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  there's gonna be a line to check in we got to
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  get our badges We got to get all that squared
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  away There was no one in line We just walked
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  right up and got them. I think the volunteers
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  were even a little surprised that we were there
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  that early, but I don't know. We didn't know
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  what to expect. So we were just kind of flying
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  by the seat of our pants, but it actually worked
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  out pretty well because Liz was in the very beginning
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  process of working on the concept of her venue,
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  the bloom room that is actually opening this
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  week. A lot has happened in this past year, but
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  we actually spent a lot of time walking around
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  the hotel lobby because they had all these like
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  really unique furniture pieces and insert video
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  here of her like tipping chairs over to figure
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  out what brand they are and like what the styles
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  are, because that's how we spent the morning
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  waiting for Podfest to start is scoping out furniture
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  because that just seemed like. the right way
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  to kill time. So PodFest gets started. And once
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  it was actually going, we were honestly blown
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  away by just the level of knowledge that was
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  being shared. We were kind of thinking like,
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  ooh, you know, maybe it's going to be a little
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  gate keepy. People are going to be keeping secrets
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  to like how they've been successful. Like we
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  didn't know what to expect, but right out of
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  the gate, we realized that this was a place of
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  learning and sharing and growing together. No
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  one was there to keep secrets. No one was there
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  to gate keep. strategies. Everyone was sharing
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  what they had learned, how they had been successful,
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  what they've done differently. So then we could
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  then apply it to our own shows and content. It
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  was apparent right from the jump. There was no
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  secrets being kept here. It was a weekend dedicated
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  to sharing the knowledge you have with the person
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  sitting next to you in hopes of lifting them
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  up and then them lifting you up as well, which
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  I thought was really cool. And I was so concerned
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  about that. I'm like, what if this is just a
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  big secret, secret kind of thing? And it definitely
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  wasn't. And literally within the first 10 minutes
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  of our sessions, because I went to the monetization
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  one. Liz went to the author one. We had texted
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  each other. I said, this is amazing. And she
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  said, I'm going to leave this weekend with a
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  book deal. She literally texted that to me. I
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  don't know if I screenshotted it or not. If I
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  screenshotted it, I will insert it in the video
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  version of this podcast. But she literally said,
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  by the end of this weekend, I am going to have
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  a book deal 10 minutes into this thing starting.
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  And she did. She had a book deal by the end of
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  it. And that woman, she puts her mind to something
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  and it's just it's going to get done, which I
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  find fascinating and inspiring. I got to have
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  her on the podcast at some point. It was incredible
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  what we had learned over the course of the weekend.
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  She went to multiple meetings. She pitched her
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  book. She ended up walking away with a contract
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  from Morgan James Publishing. Her book actually
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  is going to be available for pre -order by the
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  time Podfest 2026 rolls around, which I think
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  is incredible. And I'm so proud of her and it's
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  just incredible what had come from that just
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  taking a chance on going to Podfest. And I'm
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  so eternally grateful that we went. It was just
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  so cool because everyone was there to learn and
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  share and connect. There wasn't any ego. There
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  wasn't any competition. Like it was just pure
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  collaboration. I, like I mentioned, went to the
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  sessions about monetization. I went to a lot
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  of the ones on editing. I went to a lot of the
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  ones on video podcasting. I popped in on some
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  AI ones as well. That was kind of my main focus
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  for the weekend is how can I make this process
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  simple and help my clients hopefully monetize
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  and What strategies can we put in place to help
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  them be successful? But honestly, the most powerful
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  moments weren't even those sessions. Those sessions
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  were fantastic. And I'm genuinely looking forward
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  to going to them again this year, because I know
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  they're all going to be different, but kind of
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  the same like general topics. But what I really
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  liked was the connection in the hallways and
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  the breaks between the sessions, because that's
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  where we got to know each other. And those spontaneous
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  conversations with other podcasters were just.
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  It filled my cup so much because we're all chasing
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  big dreams. We're all experimenting with what
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  we're doing and we're all showing up consistently,
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  which is so dang hard. But if you have people
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  you know that are rooting for you, it makes showing
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  up consistently so much easier. And meeting those
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  people in the hallways, making those friends,
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  it truly turned into its own kind of like little
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  ecosystem. Podcasting is... It is an ecosystem.
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  You got to lean on other people and their skill
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  sets to be successful. It thrives on relationships,
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  not algorithms. Algorithms are important. Don't
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  get me wrong. They're very important. And we
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  do have to kind of bow to our algorithm overlords
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  sometimes, but we got to keep in mind too that
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  the relationship side of podcasting is just as
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  important as posting and posting consistently
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  and adding the right tags to things. By the end
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  of the weekend, I had an entire notebook full
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  of notes. Like it was just, honestly, I should
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  pull it up and look through them. My handwriting
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  is so bad. This year I'm bringing an iPad and
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  taking notes on an iPad because I can't read
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  my own writing. But I just consumed so much wonderful
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  information and there were just some key lessons
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  that really stuck with me. One of them being
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  connection beats perfection. The most impactful
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  shows are not the ones with the flawless audio
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  or the fancy studios. I say as I'm recording
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  in my own fancy studio. But they're the ones
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  where the listeners are feeling seen and heard
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  and represented and learning something and there's
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  valuable information being shared. So sometimes.
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  Oftentimes, actually, the show that you put out
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  isn't gonna be flawless. It's not gonna be the
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  most perfect show in the entire world, but there's
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  gonna be something of value in there. And if
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  it's providing value to other people, that is
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  worth its weight in gold. The other big lesson
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  that I took away is that collaboration creates
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  momentum. I left Feeling Podfest just reinvigorated.
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  I felt like I just had this like... Light in
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  my heart that I wanted to shine out for the entire
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  world and spread the good news of podcasting
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  I met so many people that I later collaborated
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  with I met fellow editors that I can now call
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  in a pinch which oh my gosh that is so valuable
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  we've actually helped each other out in some
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  cases and I did not realize that there were so
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  many other podcast editors out there like me,
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  and that was so awesome. I can't wait to see
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  them all again this year. I genuinely cannot
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  wait to connect with the fellow editors in the
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  room because we are a special type of people,
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  and when we can sit down and speak each other's
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  language over lunch a few times in a long weekend,
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  it is just... chef's kiss perfection. I also
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  met a bunch of new friends and I can't wait to
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  see them all. I know a lot of them are posting
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  that they're coming on Instagram, so can't wait
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  to catch up with you guys there. I even ended
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  up getting a new client out of it who is also
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  a friend, Mark Hicks. I am so excited to see
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  him in person again at PodFest. He is actually
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  a fellow author. So Liz introduced me to Mark
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  and Mark has been my client now for almost a
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  year and I helped produce his show, The Learning
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  Love Podcast. It's in collaboration with his
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  foundation. Learning Love Foundation, which I
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  think everyone should go and listen to his show,
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  not just because he's my client, but because
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  there's some really good valuable information
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  he shares about building happy and healthy relationships.
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  So shout out, Mark. Can't wait to see you again
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  at PodFest this year. And it's just so cool,
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  the collaboration that came from one short weekend
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  in Orlando, Florida. The other big lesson that
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  I wanted to mention. that I took away from this
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  is that the industry is evolving and it's evolving
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  fast. There's so many new AI tools, there's video
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  podcasting, there's niche communities. The landscape
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  is definitely shifting, but instead of that being
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  scary and intimidating and just shutting down
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  and not evolving because it seems like it's just
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  too much to do. The weekend at podfest made me
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  feel excited about the changes that were happening
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  in podcasting. There's room for everyone's voice.
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  It is not oversaturated. You have a story to
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  tell and there's an audience hungry for it. And
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  that was just something that has sat with me
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  in my chest since last year. And every time someone
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  comes to me and they're like, I'm thinking about
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  starting a podcast, but everyone's got a podcast.
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  So I don't know. I think I'm just going to skip
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  it. Like, no, your story is just as important
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  as the person next to you who yeah, might have
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  a podcast, but guess what? They don't have your
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  story. You're the only one with your story. So
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  it's just so cool that the industry is diversifying
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  and there's room for everyone to learn and grow
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  and be a part of it. And I just, I can't wait
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  for this year. It's going to be so much fun.
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  I can't wait. for that feeling to come over me
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  again. Speaking of that giddy feeling, I actually
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  have an entirely different level to that giddy
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  feeling that I am excited for in the butterflies
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  in my stomach for PodFest this year because I
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  am not just going as a person with an editor
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  pass. Last year I was an editor, Liz was creator.
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  This year I have a different label going on my
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  name badge and that is Speaker. Pew, pew, pew,
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  pew, pew. Cute little. little siren noise here.
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  I am actually one of the selected speakers at
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  PodFest. Oh my gosh, saying that out loud and
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  just like, I have goosebumps. I remember sitting
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  there last year and watching the speakers get
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  up on stage and I was thinking, wow, they have
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  so much valuable knowledge to share. I would
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  love to be up there. I don't know what I would
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  talk about, but I think it would just be so cool
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  to be the expert on stage sharing these ideas
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  and inspiring other people. And this year I get
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  to do that. That someday has arrived and that
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  someday comes up the week of January 15th. So
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  speaker applications opened over the summer and
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  I have been avidly following the Podfest pages
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  all across social media because I am a total
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  nerd for this. Fest Expo now. And the second
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  that speaker applications opened, I sent my application
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  in because I'm like, I don't know how long speaker
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  applications are open, but I am not missing out
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  on this opportunity to throw my hat into the
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  ring, submitted my application and didn't hear
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  anything. Didn't hear anything didn't hear anything.
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  There was no updates It just kept getting an
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  email saying speaker applications are open apply
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  now and I'm like, okay Well, maybe they saw mine
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  and thought she's not ready for this and I'm
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  like, you know what? That's okay. They're in
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  charge They know what's best for their conference
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  and I already have my tickets. I'm going anyway.
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  I don't even care so I Just silently sat there
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  and waited and then it turns out over 400 people
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  applied to be speakers at podfest Go figure,
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  you know, an entire conference dedicated to professional
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  talkers. And yeah, a lot of us want to get on
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  stage and talk. So there was over 400 apps that
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  came in. Somehow, by some miracle, the stars
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  aligned and they selected me to be one of the
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  speakers at Podfest. And I am beyond. I can't
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  wait. I'm going to be talking about how your
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  podcast is more than just an audio format. It
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  can be the center of everything that you create
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  online. And it's just something I firmly believe
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  in. It's something I practice every day with
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  not only myself, but with my clients. And I can't
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  wait to share how podcasting inspires me and
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  inspire other people. It's just such a gift.
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  I'm so excited to be a speaker at PodFest this
• 17:51
  year. Like I just... The fact that I get to spread
• 17:54
  the same happy, joyful energy about the industry
• 17:59
  that people did last year and it just lit a fire
• 18:02
  in me, I can hopefully light a fire in someone
• 18:04
  else. I'm just really looking forward to it.
• 18:06
  So if you're coming to podfest this year, please
• 18:09
  come and say hi. Come to my speech. I don't know
• 18:11
  what day or time my speech is happening yet.
• 18:13
  That has not been revealed to anyone. They haven't
• 18:16
  finalized the schedule yet, but I will be speaking.
• 18:19
  And when I know you'll know, because obviously
• 18:21
  I'll be posting about it all across the internet
• 18:23
  because I'm shameless that way. But I am so excited
• 18:27
  and it's going to be great. It's going to be
• 18:28
  so wonderful. I'm just like so excited. I got
• 18:31
  to start working on the speech and like make
• 18:33
  sure it's all coherent because I don't want to
• 18:35
  get up there and just be like, I'm just excited
• 18:37
  to be here. I promise it won't be that. I have
• 18:40
  three months to figure this out. So just to kind
• 18:43
  of put a bow on things here, I want to give you
• 18:45
  my key takeaways from my journey with PodFest,
• 18:48
  which honestly has been going on for about a
• 18:50
  year now because that's when I bought my tickets
• 18:51
  last year. Number one is never underestimate
• 18:54
  the power of community. The people that you meet
• 18:56
  in this space can change your career. and your
• 18:59
  mindset. It's just the power of being around
• 19:02
  like -minded individuals. It is, there's truly
• 19:05
  nothing like it. Number two, keep showing up.
• 19:08
  You never know who is watching your consistency
• 19:11
  and where it might lead, who you might be inspiring,
• 19:14
  who you might be lighting a fire within. Keep
• 19:16
  showing up. Keep sharing your information. My
• 19:18
  light bulb just died if you're watching the video
• 19:20
  version of this and it just flickered. Oh, it's
• 19:22
  back on. I'm leaving that part in. That's real
• 19:25
  life, man. And then the third takeaway is don't
• 19:28
  just consume the industry. You got to contribute
• 19:30
  to it. One of my favorite sayings is if you want
• 19:32
  a village, you have to be a villager and showing
• 19:35
  up to things like PodFest. If you're in the podcasting
• 19:38
  industry, like other expos, like volunteer opportunities
• 19:41
  in whatever industry you're in, you need to contribute
• 19:44
  to it if you want to see it thrive. Show up,
• 19:47
  be a villager in your village. So if I can encourage
• 19:49
  you to do anything today, I want to encourage
• 19:52
  you to go where your people are. Show up, learn,
• 19:56
  and let yourself be inspired because the next
• 19:58
  time you walk into a room full of podcasters,
• 20:00
  you might just realize you're not just part of
• 20:02
  the industry, you are. the industry. I want to
• 20:05
  thank you so much for tuning into Abby the podcast
• 20:07
  lady. If this episode sparked something in you,
• 20:10
  please share it with a fellow podcaster or tag
• 20:13
  me on Instagram. I'd love to hear what you took
• 20:16
  away from this episode. And if you're heading
• 20:18
  to podfest, I would love to see you at podfest.
• 20:21
  Let's hook up there and make friends and make
• 20:23
  connections. It's such a wonderful opportunity.
• 20:26
  And if you're looking to get tickets, I have
• 20:27
  the link down in the show notes below until next
• 20:30
  time, find your people and let's hit record.