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Credlin | 10 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandler live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: on the show tonight. Well today it was like shooting
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Speaker 2: fish in a barrel. The Prime Minister facing a largely
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Speaker 2: sync ephantic press club in Canberra. To say it was
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Speaker 2: a lackluster performance is an understatement. The PM heading overseas tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Huge news today on nuclear front out of the United Kingdom,
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Speaker 2: but more problems here in Australia. Energy experts Saul Kavonic
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Speaker 2: joins me to explain last private school fees, Let's make
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Speaker 2: them tax deductible. Let's have some income splitting for families.
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Speaker 2: It's a great idea, is and they're on the table
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Speaker 2: from the Federal Coalition about tax reform and the riots
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Speaker 2: of hate preachers, including one currently before the Federal Court
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Speaker 2: over alleged anti Semitic speech. But despite all the venom,
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Speaker 2: the Federal government seems to be unwilling to do anything about.
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Speaker 3: So we're not going to come unarmed. We're going to
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Speaker 3: fight them with everything that we have. But if this
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Speaker 3: fighting means that it brings some sort of strength to
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Speaker 3: the Muslim community, and it teaches a Muslim community that
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Speaker 3: we should no longer be bullied.
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Speaker 2: At first as a nation, we have to face up
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Speaker 2: to our double standards on dealing with Jews and dealing
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Speaker 2: with Muslims. A Jewish Czech entrepreneur is the night of
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Speaker 2: visa to come to Australia to give a speech to
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Speaker 2: a charity fundraiser because of concerns he will be a
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Speaker 2: threat to public safety and good order. It's been suggested
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Speaker 2: that he shouldn't be talking about his brother, who was
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Speaker 2: killed by a young Palestinian. No action has been taken
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Speaker 2: against numerous anti Semitic hate preachers, despite them routinely calling
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Speaker 2: for the slaughter of Jews and the extinction of Israel.
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Speaker 3: Towards the end of the times, when the Muslims will
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Speaker 3: be fighting the Jews, the trees will speak, the soul
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Speaker 3: will speak, and I will say, oh, Muslim believer, there
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Speaker 3: is a Yahudi behind me, come and kill him.
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Speaker 2: The Albanezy government wants to say it's even handed and
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Speaker 2: that it's just as against anti Semitism as it is
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Speaker 2: against Islamophobia. Well, how come its votes to the United
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Speaker 2: Nations all seem to be against Israel, and its actions
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Speaker 2: on visas all seem to target the friends of Israel,
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Speaker 2: especially as Islamophobia, in my opinion, is almost non existent
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Speaker 2: in the sense of disliking Muslims simply because they're Muslims.
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Speaker 2: In anti Semitism in Australia is now rampant. That's a
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Speaker 2: hatred for Jews simply on the basis that they're Jews,
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Speaker 2: and it's especially rampant amongst groups of recent Middle Eastern
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Speaker 2: Muslim migrants to Australia, the very people being fired up
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Speaker 2: by these unpunished hate preachers. As the Australian Newspaper reports today,
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Speaker 2: a preacher who goes under two names either with some
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Speaker 2: Harded or Abu asaid from the Eld Medina Dawis Center
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Speaker 2: in Sydney. All speakers at his center called you sewish people,
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Speaker 2: quote descendants of pigs and monkeys, recited parables about their killing,
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Speaker 2: and called on faithful Muslims to quote spit on Israel
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Speaker 2: so that its citizens would drown. And this is because
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Speaker 2: of these statements that the Executive Council of Australian Jury
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Speaker 2: has taken him to court claiming he has breached the
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Speaker 2: Racial Discrimination Act. Ahead of the court proceedings which commenced
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Speaker 2: today in the Federal Court in Sydney. Howd I'd posted
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Speaker 2: this inflammatory message to his supporters.
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Speaker 3: I have no problem facing the Jewish lobby, even when
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Speaker 3: they drag us in courts, even if they put my
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Speaker 3: photo and the photo of the censor on the media.
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Speaker 3: I have absolutely no problem with that, and I have
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Speaker 3: openly condemned any system other than the system of allahus
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Speaker 3: of panel or that al. But they are the one
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Speaker 3: dragging us to court. So we're not going to come unarmed.
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Speaker 3: We're going to fight them with everything that we have.
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Speaker 3: But if this fighting means that it brings some sort
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Speaker 3: of strength to the Muslim community, and it teaches a
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Speaker 3: Muslims community that we should no longer be bullet every
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Speaker 3: time someone has a problem with Islam and the Muslims
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Speaker 3: with bow our heads. Every time they put us in
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Speaker 3: the media, we get scared every time they take us
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Speaker 3: to call. Pretty soon start closing out desisions because we
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Speaker 3: don't want the pressure. Isn't it about time that somebody
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Speaker 3: fights back? Isn't it about time that somebody stands up
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Speaker 3: to these bullies? And this is a humble that's something
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Speaker 3: that I am personally willing to do.
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Speaker 2: Now. This hate preacher justifies himself on the grounds he's
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Speaker 2: simply quoting the Quran, which does have some especially blood
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Speaker 2: curdling passages in it. Yet it's not what the Quran says,
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Speaker 2: but what he chooses to highlight that marks out Wisdom
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Speaker 2: hard Ad as a hate preacher, because if he tried
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Speaker 2: hard enough, he'd also be able to find other scriptures
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Speaker 2: in the Quran that walk back some of this retric
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of death to the Infidel's venom in
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Speaker 2: the Iran, which is why Muslim leaders should be very
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Speaker 2: selective in what they quote, just as Christian preachers usually
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Speaker 2: are given all the hard line teaching in the Bible's
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Speaker 2: Old Testament too. The real issue here and elsewhere in
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Speaker 2: the West, especially in the Anglo sphere, is that we're
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Speaker 2: forgetting the fundamentals. If we are to be a genuinely
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Speaker 2: free society, there can be no distinctions made on the
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Speaker 2: basis of race, gender or religion. And to our credit,
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Speaker 2: that's what nearly all young Australians are completely oblivious to
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Speaker 2: color and sex, just doing the best to treat everyone
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Speaker 2: fairly as we all try and get ahead. That's not
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Speaker 2: good enough for the identity activists, all the albanezy government,
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Speaker 2: and contrary to Martin Luther King's celebrated injunction to judge
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Speaker 2: people by the content of their character, not the color
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Speaker 2: of their skin. The activists have been pushing for the
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Speaker 2: replacement of an old and largely disappeared malign discrimination with
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Speaker 2: a new positive discrimination where sex and race are always
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Speaker 2: relevant because of white privilege and unconscious bias in the
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Speaker 2: past that must now be rectified. I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: why I was so against the voice, this is why
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Speaker 2: I'm against quotas for women in public life, because it
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Speaker 2: is so so wrong. But it's already been seen in
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Speaker 2: Britain the introduction of these Sharia councils in some parts
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Speaker 2: of the country to handle family law disputes. So not
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Speaker 2: legally binding, they are nonetheless religiously powerful. The British Parliament
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Speaker 2: is debating a new and more expansive definition of Islamophobia,
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Speaker 2: which will make it almost impossible to discuss issues involving
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Speaker 2: Muslims like the gang rapes in Northern England without risking
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Speaker 2: criminal charges from aggrieved activist and it's creeping in here too.
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Speaker 2: Reports today that the new South Wales Bench Handbook. This
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Speaker 2: is compiled by the state's judicial watchdog as a guide
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Speaker 2: to judges recommends in hand to so called cultural safety
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Speaker 2: with defendants who might be from persecuted minorities. The latest
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Speaker 2: amendments to the so called Equality before the Law bench
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Speaker 2: book again reported in the Australian State, the judges should
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Speaker 2: acquire quote a more extensive explanation of Islamic teaching of
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Speaker 2: jihad in order it claims to provide greater understanding of
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Speaker 2: the Muslim tradition on anti violence. But hang on, where's
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Speaker 2: the anti violence? And these hate preachers exaltations to kill
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Speaker 2: all the Jews allegedly because that's the teaching in the Qur'an.
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Speaker 2: This is a big difference between Christianity and certain divisions
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Speaker 2: of other key religion, particularly Islam. If there was ever
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Speaker 2: a kill the infidel Australian Christianity or in Judaism, it's
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Speaker 2: long been removed, unlike with some Muslims, where blood curdling
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Speaker 2: threats have not been tempered by authority of teaching. Ask
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Speaker 2: yourself how many Israelis want the people of Ghars are
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Speaker 2: driven into the sea as opposed to just the end
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Speaker 2: of Hamas. And now ask yourself how many Gazans or
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Speaker 2: at least those under the influence of Mamas want the
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Speaker 2: Israelis driven into the sea. That's why the Albanezer government
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Speaker 2: must come off the moral fence and take the side
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Speaker 2: of justice in there's a deeply regrettable conflict. And while
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Speaker 2: here in Australia we're doubling down on the politics of
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Speaker 2: identity and climate change, at least in Britain the Labour
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Speaker 2: Party there has done the partial rethink. Today, the UK
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Speaker 2: Labor Energy Secretary ed Milliban that's their equivalent of Chris Bowen,
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Speaker 2: although I won't dam him with that praise, published an
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Speaker 2: article committing his government to the biggest expansion of nuclear
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Speaker 2: energy in half a century, with demand for power expected
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Speaker 2: to at least double by twenty fifty, in part to
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Speaker 2: serve the demands of artificial intelligence. Miliband declared that nuclear
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Speaker 2: is quote a crucial source of firm baseload power. Well
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Speaker 2: hello to that. Here's one leftist party that's worked out
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Speaker 2: the bleeding obvious that we need proven baseload power, not
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Speaker 2: just environment wrecking forests of wind turbines and expanses of
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Speaker 2: solar panels. It's even going to be, said Miliband, a
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Speaker 2: golden age for nuclear only. How come what's so right
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Speaker 2: for the British Labor Party, is so wrong for Australian labor. Again,
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Speaker 2: it's a terrible double standard. The Albanezy government likesnuclear power
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Speaker 2: at sea but loathes at power if it's established on
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Speaker 2: the other side of the dock. It does not make sense.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's got a camper now for the headline,
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter Can.
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Speaker 4: Redden, Labour's second two is heating up warmer Today, after
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Speaker 4: a campaign full of promises, the Prime Minister returns to
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Speaker 4: the National Press Club with one more Now.
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Speaker 5: Our government is focused on delivery. Delivering these commitments matters
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Speaker 5: for every Australian, regardless of who they voted for.
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Speaker 4: Not dismissing the ambition of some colleagues for broader change.
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Speaker 5: The commitments the Australian people voted for in May are
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Speaker 5: the foundation of our mandate. They are not the limits
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Speaker 5: of our responsibilities or of our vision.
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Speaker 4: The Coalition is reviewing its policy offerings too. Everything is
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Speaker 4: on the table, including its support for net zero by
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Speaker 4: twenty fifty.
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Speaker 1: The door to end net zero is a jar in
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Speaker 1: the Coation party room. This idea that you pursue net
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Speaker 1: zero at any cost and forget about any of the
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Speaker 1: economic impacts of pursuing net zero as a standalone proposition,
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Speaker 1: I think is harmful.
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albernezi also demanding a full explanation from the Los
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Speaker 4: Angeles Police Department as it investigates the shooting of an
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Speaker 4: Australian journalist with a rubber bullet.
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Speaker 5: That footage was horrific. We have already raised these issues
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Speaker 5: with the US administration. We don't find it acceptable.
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Speaker 4: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, I loves to get across. Let's bring in
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Speaker 2: my panel, Sky News political reporter Cam Redden now Daily
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Speaker 2: Telly journalist James Willis. I'll start with a press club.
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Speaker 2: But before I do, Cam, I'm listening to the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister's comments there about the shooting of a journalist with
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Speaker 2: a rubber bullet, calling it horrific. I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 2: When they had rubber bullets on the streets of Melbourne
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Speaker 2: during the cover lockdown and I was there, I didn't
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Speaker 2: see anyone in Canberra at the Labor Party or Scott
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Speaker 2: Morrison's Liberal Party calling that out as horrific.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can said. I'd have to go back and
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Speaker 4: check that time. Peter, I take your word for it.
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Speaker 4: I'm in. The challenge here, of course, is a real
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Speaker 4: one of timing, because yes, we're raising it at diplomatic channels,
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Speaker 4: but the Prime Minister could in less than seven days
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Speaker 4: be face to face with the US President. And there's
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Speaker 4: some political pressure here from the Greens, for example, saying
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Speaker 4: that this is the sort of thing that he should
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Speaker 4: be raising with the president. Whether that happens, we don't know,
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Speaker 4: but it may be one of those issues that raises
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Speaker 4: its head during those discussions.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I suspect they're going to be tense because, of
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Speaker 2: course the Israeli who's just been Israeli US dual citizen,
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Speaker 2: has just been denied a visa to come to Australia
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Speaker 2: will also be a counter argument I suspect from Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the PM's address to the Press Club today.
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Speaker 2: I won't count you in this crowd, but a lot
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Speaker 2: of sink efants in the National Press Gallery sitting there
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Speaker 2: having their three course lunch and a glass of wine,
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Speaker 2: questions the Prime Minister. It was a bit of a
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Speaker 2: rub the belly session. No real intention from the PM
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Speaker 2: to increase our defense budget. Everywhere in the world they are,
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Speaker 2: but not here in Australia. He is a bit taken
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Speaker 2: with yet another our labored talk. First, have a listen of.
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Speaker 5: Us A Treasurer Jim Chalmers to convene a round table
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Speaker 5: to support and shape our government's growth and productivity agenda
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Speaker 5: at Palm House in August. We will bring together a
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Speaker 5: group of leaders from the business community, the union movement
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Speaker 5: and civil society.
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Speaker 2: So we had that infamous twenty twenty summit from rad
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Speaker 2: then we had the Big Tax Summit last term, we
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Speaker 2: had the Jobs and Skills Summit. I mean, none of
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Speaker 2: them amounted to anything. What's going to change here?
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Speaker 4: And let's not forget the poor old Productivity Commission Peter,
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Speaker 4: which must feel a bit left at the altar. We
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Speaker 4: do have a whole commission that is designed to getting
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Speaker 4: Australia's productivity back in shape, but they put reports out
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Speaker 4: all the time, many of them, unfortunately, do end up
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Speaker 4: gathering dust. So we'll see if anything does come out
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Speaker 4: of this. A roundtable is what the Prime Minister's calling
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Speaker 4: it business union leaders back here in Canberra in August.
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Speaker 4: It kind of seems like a bit of a brains
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Speaker 4: trust that is looking for for any ideas that may
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Speaker 4: not have all read been covered at the very least
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Speaker 4: looking like there's a collaborative effort here, at least the
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Speaker 4: focus is there, Peter, Because productivity really is the key
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Speaker 4: to all of this. It's been a focus of policy
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Speaker 4: attempts for many, many years, but so rarely do we
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Speaker 4: see the big kind of changes that do drive productivity.
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Speaker 4: And one of the biggest threats to that, of course,
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Speaker 4: is artificial intelligence. There'll be a new minister involved in
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Speaker 4: handling that in tim as now that edge musick is
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Speaker 4: out of the industry role, so that's another big challenge.
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Speaker 4: And what that might or what role that might play
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Speaker 4: in those discussions, I think will be one thing to
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Speaker 4: watch for is at least one key concrete outcome that
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Speaker 4: we might see on a policy sense, What does the
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Speaker 4: government do when the rest of the world is trying
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Speaker 4: to figure out how to deal with AI and its
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Speaker 4: threats to the workforce.
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Speaker 2: Well, what the rest of the world is doing is
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Speaker 2: they're putting in nuclear power because there's incredibly energy hungry.
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Speaker 2: But let's see if it's political theater or if it's
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Speaker 2: real outcomes. He's got a few months to get his
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Speaker 2: backside into gear. Let's go to what tech me in
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Speaker 2: the coll it's in Sydney. If we can please James
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Speaker 2: Sydney hate preacher, very notorious man now wissemhearted. I've played
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Speaker 2: a little bit of his footage. She fronted court today
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Speaker 2: over a whole lot of sermons that have been described
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Speaker 2: by Jews as terrible, terrible and racially vilifying. It's before
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Speaker 2: the courts, of course, we can't say a lot there.
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Speaker 2: But we've also now got a high profile Victorian Muslim
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Speaker 2: leader who's branded Zionists as scavengers and blood sucking humans
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Speaker 2: and that Australia is waging a war he says on Islam. Well,
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Speaker 2: he plans to now build a multi million dollar Islamic
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Speaker 2: sanctuary north of Melbourne. I mean, all of this, as
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Speaker 2: I said, work its way through the courts. But I
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Speaker 2: tell you what where is the government action here?
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Speaker 6: Well, that's right, Peter, And if you look at the
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Speaker 6: master plan for this development in Melbourne, we're talking about
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Speaker 6: a Muslim only facility that will have schools, an age
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Speaker 6: care center, a multi purpose hall, sporting facilities. I mean,
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Speaker 6: to be honest, there isn't much that is multicultural about that.
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Speaker 6: This is a decision for Islamic people to live only
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Speaker 6: with Islamic people in one part of the country, and
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Speaker 6: I think, to be honest, people are starting to have
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Speaker 6: a little bit of a problem with this. Now you've
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Speaker 6: just articulated what's happening in the UK, and I have
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Speaker 6: to say, I really have no issue with what religion
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Speaker 6: people are involved in. I don't care whether you're Catholic, Christian, Muslim,
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Speaker 6: Buddhist scientologists, it doesn't matter to me. But when you
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Speaker 6: have influential preachers that are making comments which are just
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Speaker 6: beyond the pale, which are deeply offensive, and it's not
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Speaker 6: just the person in court, but it's plenty of Muslim
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Speaker 6: preachers that we've identified in stories over the last twelve
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Speaker 6: twenty four months, well, then the rest of the country
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Speaker 6: is entitled to understand what is going on.
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Speaker 4: It has been.
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Speaker 6: Clearly established by law enforcement that there is a link
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Speaker 6: between extremist commentary, particularly religious extremist commentary, and some of
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Speaker 6: the concerns around terror threats and everything else we've seen,
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Speaker 6: and indeed there have been a few high profile incidents
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Speaker 6: along that line. But I think this is the kind
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Speaker 6: of thing as a country that we're entitled to wake
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Speaker 6: up and say, well, I'm sorry, but if you want
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Speaker 6: to move here. If you want to live in Australia,
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Speaker 6: we welcome you here. But the rule is that you
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Speaker 6: leave the hate and you leave the anger from wars
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Speaker 6: on the other side of the world in conflicts at
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Speaker 6: the door, and you start to become an Australian. And
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Speaker 6: if people can't do that, then it's time for a
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Speaker 6: very serious discussion.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 6: The problem the Labour Party's got, as we've articulated on
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Speaker 6: this show, Peter, is that there are parts of Sydney
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Speaker 6: now that have significant Muslim populations and so the Labor
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Speaker 6: Parties happily tiptoed around this issue. They've happily condemned Israel
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Speaker 6: on the international stage. But I think it's time for
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Speaker 6: a few of these MPs and the government and the
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Speaker 6: country to start talking about some of the extreme elements
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Speaker 6: of the Muslim religion that are unfolding on our doorsteps.
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Speaker 4: I think it's deeply troubling.
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Speaker 2: I could not have said it better. I'm all for
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Speaker 2: Team Australian, Hotel Australia, James, well done. Let's go to
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Department. There came a few headaches there for
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Speaker 2: the government. A legal ruling this is the first issue,
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Speaker 2: has allowed a Somali man convicted of performing an indecent
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Speaker 2: act in front of a child to avoid deportation because
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Speaker 2: the then Minister Andrew Johles didn't get his act together,
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Speaker 2: didn't make a decision on the visa in a timely fashion.
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Speaker 2: The worry is that this could be a precedent for
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Speaker 2: future decisions from the Minister second to operations sovereign borders.
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Speaker 2: It's in a bit of trouble. We know now that
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Speaker 2: there are ten boats containing around one hundred and eighty
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Speaker 2: three people who have been intercepted between the start of
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Speaker 2: the financial years, so last July and the end of
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Speaker 2: April this year, and a lot of them have gone
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Speaker 2: to Naru rather than actually being sent back to their
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Speaker 2: home country, which tells me they're putting in applications for
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Speaker 2: protection visas. I'll tell you what you know, we work
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Speaker 2: in the media. I am surprised to hear that as
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Speaker 2: many as two hundred and that still we're just not
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Speaker 2: getting the deportations done as we should.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there may be a legal backlog element to
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Speaker 4: that as well, Peter, because of course Hopeer fairs it
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Speaker 4: is the most litigated against departments. So many of these
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Speaker 4: issues do take many months to resolve, so that may
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Speaker 4: be a factor there as well. Ten votes you mentioned
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Speaker 4: roughly one a month. We do have most of that
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Speaker 4: information publicly. I suppose the other challenge to all of
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Speaker 4: that there is as well the government was aware around
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Speaker 4: that election time there was some although they wouldn't always
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Speaker 4: say so explicitly, that there was some expectation that around
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Speaker 4: election times that is when people smugglers can tend to
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Speaker 4: try and test operations sovereign borders, to try and get
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Speaker 4: some attention on that and make that a political issue,
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Speaker 4: given that it is of course so potent in Australia,
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Speaker 4: given the history of this issue. Noting too that in Indonesia,
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Speaker 4: I was there recently with the Prime Minister. Tony Burke
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Speaker 4: was there as well. That relationship with Indonesia is also
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Speaker 4: critical when it comes to combating people smoking, and a
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Speaker 4: part of that first visit and taking Tony Burke along
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Speaker 4: with you, was focused on doing that. So the government
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Speaker 4: aware of it. You would not want to see that
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Speaker 4: number though trending higher, not at all.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to a brawl inside the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party. We know of course that there is a
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Speaker 2: federal intervention in place. The party is in for one
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Speaker 2: of a better term administration, and there is the redrafting
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Speaker 2: of the constitution to try and break some of the
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Speaker 2: factionalism that's river New South Wales for many decades. Several
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Speaker 2: Liberals have spoken as they do anonymously to the financial
20:31
Speaker 2: Review trying to pin Geselle Captarian's loss in the seat
20:34
Speaker 2: of Bradfield. She may well challenge it, but essentially this
20:38
Speaker 2: is the line that it's all the faults of the
20:40
Speaker 2: intervention that apparently key member data was not provided quickly
20:45
Speaker 2: enough in the campaign. James, I know you've been on
20:47
Speaker 2: the blow. Are talking to a lot of people. You know,
20:50
Speaker 2: the moderates don't want the intervention to extend. Many of
20:54
Speaker 2: the rank and file do because they say they want
20:57
Speaker 2: a new constitution and they want their party. It's due
21:01
Speaker 2: to be extended or not by the end of this month.
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Speaker 6: What are you hearing, well, by next week I think
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Speaker 6: it's June seventeen. The Federal Executive will decide.
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Speaker 4: Whether this continues or not.
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Speaker 6: And it's been in place in September last year, when
21:17
Speaker 6: the New South Wales Liberal Party failed to get more
21:20
Speaker 6: than one hundred and forty candidates nominated in time for
21:23
Speaker 6: the local government elections. Look, this is critically important, Peter,
21:25
Speaker 6: because I think it's fair enough to say if the
21:28
Speaker 6: Liberal Party can't win back New South Wales federally, they're
21:31
Speaker 6: probably never a chance of forming government or being successful again.
21:35
Speaker 4: So it's vitally important.
21:37
Speaker 6: What's happened is that the three person administrators who came
21:40
Speaker 6: in have had a look under the hood and realize
21:43
Speaker 6: that hundreds of branch members have been knocked back. There's
21:46
Speaker 6: been no new branches formed, and the system has effectively
21:50
Speaker 6: been fixed to allow factions to basically control the state
21:54
Speaker 6: executive and therefore control the pre selections and the candidates
21:57
Speaker 6: along the way. They are determined to give the members
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Speaker 6: a larger say, however, because of some recent attacks on them,
22:05
Speaker 6: which in my view have come directly from the powerful
22:07
Speaker 6: Moderate faction. As a result, it would be unlikely at
22:11
Speaker 6: this stage that they are extended next week, which means
22:14
Speaker 6: there's a chance that their consultation period goes and we
22:17
Speaker 6: just go back to the old system that was in place.
22:19
Speaker 6: So look, it's a once in a lifetime opportunity to
22:22
Speaker 6: get some real change in and give the members a
22:25
Speaker 6: proper say. But unfortunately the troublemakers in the Liberal Party
22:29
Speaker 6: and you've heard. Look it's a great example of Bradfield.
22:31
Speaker 6: Today there's been other people like Chris Rath, the Upper
22:34
Speaker 6: House MP publicly telling the likes of Alan Stockdale and
22:38
Speaker 6: Richard Alsen from the panel to go back to Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: I think that's terribly disrespectful.
22:42
Speaker 6: But you can tell the pushes on because people don't
22:46
Speaker 6: want it to change in New South Wales, because they're
22:48
Speaker 6: determined to not allow members to.
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Speaker 4: Have the say as they should.
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Speaker 6: So the next week is going to be fascinating and
22:54
Speaker 6: a very big test for Susan Lee as new federal
22:56
Speaker 6: Opposition leader, because she'll have a big say in this process.
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Speaker 2: She will she'll make the call. So I'd say to
23:03
Speaker 2: her office, bat down the hatches, because when the New
23:05
Speaker 2: South Wales branch members start ringing through and telling you
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Speaker 2: precisely what they think in syllables of about three or more,
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Speaker 2: she will know very clearly that they want this extender.
23:15
Speaker 2: Thank you to you both. All right, that's got some
23:17
Speaker 2: other issues. Despite today a report that the government's green agenda,
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Speaker 2: the so called green hydrogen that underpinned it, is in
23:24
Speaker 2: serious trouble, the PM he was still running his usual lines.
23:29
Speaker 5: When you think about what global investors in data centers
23:34
Speaker 5: and green metals and clean energy are looking for. Truly,
23:39
Speaker 5: there is nowhere else in the world you'd rather be
23:42
Speaker 5: than right here in Australia.
23:46
Speaker 2: Now, the problem for the Prime Minister is the cost
23:48
Speaker 2: keep blowing out, with two of the latest projects of
23:51
Speaker 2: green hydrogen now estimated to be four times the cost
23:55
Speaker 2: of rival energy sources. Joining me to make sense of
23:58
Speaker 2: some of this mstfant than senior energy analyst Salkavonic. Well,
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Speaker 2: so thank you for your time. We're told taxpayers on
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Speaker 2: the hook for some eight billion dollars in the last
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Speaker 2: budget for green hydrogen. You and I both know that
24:12
Speaker 2: a whole lot of private investors they're walking away. They're
24:14
Speaker 2: not putting good money after bad with green hydrogen. But
24:18
Speaker 2: the government is taxpayers, are are we going to get
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Speaker 2: a return for this money?
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, this eight billion dollars is going to go to
24:28
Speaker 1: complete waste. It's not a matter of green hydrogen are
24:33
Speaker 1: being close and it needs a bit of assistance to
24:36
Speaker 1: get over the line. It's miles away from being competitive.
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Speaker 1: So if you look at those numbers that have come
24:41
Speaker 1: out today where they're talking about initial costs of eight
24:44
Speaker 1: to eleven dollars a kilogram, just to give an indication,
24:48
Speaker 1: that is five to eight times the current gas prices,
24:54
Speaker 1: which Albertezi himself has said is too high to sustain
24:57
Speaker 1: manufacturing this country. So it's not twenty percent higher, it's
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Speaker 1: five hundred and six hundred percent higher. And even in
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Speaker 1: their success case, so they're talking about in time they
25:07
Speaker 1: can bring down the cost of hydrogen to three to
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Speaker 1: four dollars a kilogram. Let's assume the best case scenario
25:13
Speaker 1: they get it down to three dollars of kilogram according
25:15
Speaker 1: to their own estimates, that's still going to see a
25:18
Speaker 1: doubling of prices compared to what you currently get in
25:21
Speaker 1: the gas market. So you know, if album Easy and
25:25
Speaker 1: Chris Bowen think that current gas prices are too high
25:28
Speaker 1: for Australian households and energy users and manufacturing to pay,
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Speaker 1: I don't see why we're spending billions of dollars in
25:36
Speaker 1: order to sell people energy at twice the cost of
25:39
Speaker 1: what is already unaffordable.
25:42
Speaker 2: I mentioned at the top of the show, saw what's
25:44
Speaker 2: happening in the UK. Milliband today is saying that they
25:47
Speaker 2: want a whole new nuclear golden age, right we can't
25:51
Speaker 2: even have a debate here about lifting the moratorium and
25:55
Speaker 2: your point there about the price of gas vis a
25:57
Speaker 2: v that the price of green hydrogen. I mean, why
26:01
Speaker 2: the heck wouldn't we have a serious conversation about nuclear
26:06
Speaker 2: given the PM's only real arms. We can't say it's
26:09
Speaker 2: not safe because they're about to put it in submarines
26:11
Speaker 2: and put sub mariners in those submarines. His only argument's
26:15
Speaker 2: been about the money, but he's happy to throw billions
26:17
Speaker 2: of green hydrogen. Would you say is decades away and
26:21
Speaker 2: aren't affordable. Why can't we have the debate that everybody
26:25
Speaker 2: else is having about nuclear?
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Speaker 1: Well, Peter, we all know, and this is includes there's
26:33
Speaker 1: many members of the of the Labor Party MPs in labor.
26:38
Speaker 1: Big factions that support labor are also very open to nuclear,
26:42
Speaker 1: you know, personally. But it's just the more radical left
26:46
Speaker 1: wing factions who ideologically opposed to nuclear as a hangover
26:50
Speaker 1: from fifty years ago in the anti nuclear weapons proliferation movements.
26:56
Speaker 1: And you know, if you start looking at some of
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Speaker 1: the smartest and most sophisticated energy procurement organization in the world.
27:01
Speaker 1: So it's not just countries like the UK, but we're
27:03
Speaker 1: seeing Microsoft, Google, Apple all looking to now support nuclear
27:07
Speaker 1: and actually ties into those comments that you played earlier
27:10
Speaker 1: by Anthony Albanesi, who's talking about investment in critical technology
27:14
Speaker 1: sectors like our data centers in Australia. And you know
27:18
Speaker 1: something I've heard really disturbing. Just in the last couple
27:20
Speaker 1: of weeks, I'm getting calls from data center companies saying
27:23
Speaker 1: we can no longer continue to grow our data center
27:26
Speaker 1: capability in this country because of energy unreliability, right and
27:30
Speaker 1: just the clear data Clinton's centers are central to every
27:34
Speaker 1: single one of the Priority technology list by the government,
27:38
Speaker 1: all eleven critical infrastructure sector designations by the federal government.
27:43
Speaker 1: All of these rely on data centers. It's central to
27:46
Speaker 1: our national security. We don't want our cybersecurity military capabilities
27:50
Speaker 1: data being held off shore, right we believe it or not.
27:54
Speaker 1: Australia is actually number five in the world in data
27:57
Speaker 1: center capacity build out.
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Speaker 2: Here in Sydney.
27:59
Speaker 1: We're a leader, and now we have Chris Bowen's Department.
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Speaker 1: Instead of celebrating our success in this key technology enabler,
28:07
Speaker 1: he's actually trying to slow it down and kill our
28:10
Speaker 1: leading edge in this sector in order to prioritize his
28:13
Speaker 1: emissions targets. He sees our success in this sector as
28:17
Speaker 1: a villain, which risks him meeting not meeting his emission's
28:20
Speaker 1: reductions targets. And that's a huge issue. We shouldn't be
28:24
Speaker 1: shutting down critical industries in order to meet mission's reductions targets.
28:29
Speaker 1: And if you look at the way around the world,
28:31
Speaker 1: coming back to what you're saying, all over the world,
28:34
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that nuclear is taking off again
28:37
Speaker 1: is to support data centers and technology and AI and
28:40
Speaker 1: cloud computing and all those industries of the future. We
28:43
Speaker 1: have an edge here, but we risk losing it purely
28:46
Speaker 1: because of our energy policies. Our Defense minister, our Home
28:50
Speaker 1: our national security agencies, our industry minister, and our technology
28:56
Speaker 1: ministers are all going to be let down by energy
28:58
Speaker 1: departments unless they change course.
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Speaker 2: And what worries me too, Soul, I mean, this stuff
29:04
Speaker 2: is so exponential in how fast it's moving. If we
29:07
Speaker 2: fall behind for even three or four years while the
29:10
Speaker 2: government persists in this craziness of strangling our power supply,
29:16
Speaker 2: we will never get back. We'll have lost the edge
29:19
Speaker 2: and others will stream ahead of us and we'll be behind.
29:22
Speaker 2: Just quickly. I saw a very interesting graft today in
29:25
Speaker 2: the media on the East Coast our gas prices have
29:28
Speaker 2: more than tripled in the past decade, whilst in the
29:31
Speaker 2: West and they're not on the national grid, of course,
29:33
Speaker 2: they have flat line, they have a domestic gas reservation scheme.
29:38
Speaker 2: Is this why there's such a difference?
29:42
Speaker 1: Reservation is part of it? Kind of also just to
29:45
Speaker 1: provide some balance here. There's been times in the last
29:47
Speaker 1: few years that w and gas prices have been higher
29:49
Speaker 1: than on the East Coast too. But I think it
29:52
Speaker 1: is fair to say if we had reservation put in
29:54
Speaker 1: place for the East Coast gas market when the energy
29:57
Speaker 1: projects were approved, keeping in mind they will actually approved
29:59
Speaker 1: with that reservation policy under the Labor government about a
30:02
Speaker 1: decade or so ago, we probably wouldn't be in as
30:07
Speaker 1: high price the market we have now. The issue you
30:08
Speaker 1: have when you come to today is it's very hard
30:11
Speaker 1: to retrospectively now impose that policy, and so it really
30:15
Speaker 1: limits your options in terms of what you can do
30:17
Speaker 1: going forward. And so that's why reservation going forward as
30:21
Speaker 1: a policy, to do it applight prospectively is going to
30:25
Speaker 1: take years to actually have an impact and to retrospectively
30:28
Speaker 1: is going to result in essentially flipping over one of
30:30
Speaker 1: the main projects up in Queensland and damming relations with
30:33
Speaker 1: the Koreans, the French, the Malaysians who've invested on that basis.
30:38
Speaker 1: So this is all about making sure you get the
30:39
Speaker 1: policy setting, getting settings right from the beginning. They didn't
30:43
Speaker 1: do that, and so now we've got less options and
30:45
Speaker 1: the only real solution here is to increase supply. Fantastic
30:48
Speaker 1: report by right stat overnight showing in an abundant scenario,
30:52
Speaker 1: we fix the approvals issues, we can significantly bring down
30:55
Speaker 1: prices and maximize exports at the same time. That's the
30:58
Speaker 1: winning strategy we should be adopting.
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Speaker 2: That just means we've got to get over ourselves and
31:04
Speaker 2: all of our issues internally with approvals and get our
31:07
Speaker 2: own gas out of the ground to use here in Australia.
31:10
Speaker 2: That's the simple headline there, Thanks Saul, as always out
31:14
Speaker 2: have to break the rise of hate preachers in Australia.
31:16
Speaker 2: Yes it's an issue, but at the big issue across
31:19
Speaker 2: the west to the wonderful Iron Hersey Ali, who'ssh she's
31:23
Speaker 2: forgotten more about this than any of us will know,
31:25
Speaker 2: joins me in a moment, Plus how the term is
31:27
Speaker 2: Lamophobia is being weaponized to shut down legitimate debate. Welcome
31:36
Speaker 2: back still to come growing fears of a protracted war,
31:40
Speaker 2: and yet today the peer was still backing out of
31:43
Speaker 2: increasing our defense budget. But first I want to return
31:46
Speaker 2: to the hate preacher wism Harded, who has posted this
31:49
Speaker 2: ominous warning ahead of his legal showdown today with Australia's
31:53
Speaker 2: peak Jewish body.
31:56
Speaker 3: I have no problem facing the Jewish lobby, even when
31:59
Speaker 3: they drag us in courts. So we're not going to
32:01
Speaker 3: come unarmed. We're going to fight them with everything that
32:04
Speaker 3: we have. But if this fighting means that it brings
32:07
Speaker 3: some sort of strength to the Muslim community, and it
32:10
Speaker 3: teaches a Muslim community that we should no longer be bullied.
32:16
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Now, the brilliant author and
32:18
Speaker 2: Sky contributor Iron HERSIALI, I, you are a former Muslim,
32:23
Speaker 2: you're a Christian now, But we want to know from
32:26
Speaker 2: someone who understands this faith better than almost anyone. What's
32:30
Speaker 2: the endgame for this bloke and others like him. I mean,
32:33
Speaker 2: they're in Australia and in England, there's a lot of
32:37
Speaker 2: hate from the pulpit in the mosques. Are they looking
32:42
Speaker 2: for our nations to end up being governed by Sharia law?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and they're doing it through different means. One of them, obviously,
32:53
Speaker 7: is this defeming and vilifying of Jewish communities and challenging
33:00
Speaker 7: West's promise after the Second World War of saying never again,
33:05
Speaker 7: so never again anti Semitism, never again, anti Jewish hatred.
33:09
Speaker 7: They're challenging that, and I think they've done that successfully.
33:12
Speaker 7: But what you also see is more of this what
33:14
Speaker 7: they call civilization you had, which is to settle. I
33:19
Speaker 7: think in Australia you have this guy who's building, He's
33:23
Speaker 7: building an entire facility and at the same time preaching hatred.
33:30
Speaker 7: But part of this, all of this is it's very strategic,
33:35
Speaker 7: it's very systematic. We've seen it in North America. We
33:38
Speaker 7: have a big fight right now in East Plaino, a
33:41
Speaker 7: suburb of Dallas, and Texas. We've seen this, I think
33:46
Speaker 7: much more prominently in Europe, in Britain and in France
33:49
Speaker 7: and in Germany, where they have established an entire infrastructure
33:54
Speaker 7: of mosques and Islamic schools and Islamic centers. They have
33:59
Speaker 7: increased their followers through immigration and then taking the immigrants
34:04
Speaker 7: and cocooning them away so that they don't assimilate into
34:08
Speaker 7: the wider society, but also through a much higher birth rate.
34:13
Speaker 7: And so this is a well thought through subversion method
34:18
Speaker 7: to transform these Western societies within and it is long
34:22
Speaker 7: term and it's very very dangerous. And you can see
34:24
Speaker 7: some of these cities now and towns that have been
34:27
Speaker 7: changed and have been transformed. And so my warning to
34:31
Speaker 7: Australia is, please don't let this happen to you. Don't
34:35
Speaker 7: let happen in Australia what happened in Britain and Sweden
34:38
Speaker 7: and in France and in other Western countries.
34:44
Speaker 2: We've also say in all those countries to the mobilization
34:47
Speaker 2: of a sectarian Muslim void. We're saying the election of
34:52
Speaker 2: not people of Muslim background who want to be parliamentarians
34:56
Speaker 2: for all of their constituents that are ostensibly getting elected
35:01
Speaker 2: on a very very narrow Muslim activist sort of agenda.
35:06
Speaker 2: Of course, Gaza was a key featured recent elections in
35:10
Speaker 2: the UK. Certainly, what's here in Australia. Do you think
35:14
Speaker 2: we're not alive to this as we should be.
35:17
Speaker 7: I think we are not. I think we're still ignoring
35:20
Speaker 7: I think we're still in denial about what is going on.
35:23
Speaker 7: Look what they're doing, those who are waging a civilizationalgy
35:27
Speaker 7: had against the West. What they're doing is they're perverting
35:30
Speaker 7: the process of democracy. They're participating in elections, they're taking
35:34
Speaker 7: part in demonstrations. They're saying, we have freedom of speech
35:37
Speaker 7: and freedom of this and freedom of that. But the
35:40
Speaker 7: agenda is the same. The agenda is to transform these
35:42
Speaker 7: societies and to bring about sharia law. And so I
35:45
Speaker 7: think it is time that we come out of the
35:47
Speaker 7: denial that we've been engaged in.
35:51
Speaker 2: Just quickly. I know the word Islamophobia gets thrown around
35:55
Speaker 2: a lot. It was used by the Australian government here
35:58
Speaker 2: to prevent Israeli US jew from speaking at a charity
36:03
Speaker 2: event in Australia. It's a vexed word, It's got a
36:07
Speaker 2: lot of political connotations. What does it really mean, Well,
36:12
Speaker 2: what's the purpose of the word.
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Speaker 7: The purpose of the word is to silence and to
36:18
Speaker 7: stop any scrutiny of the radical Islamist agenda that seeks
36:24
Speaker 7: this civilization or jihad. So if I want to talk
36:28
Speaker 7: about their agenda, I'm in islamophobe. If I want to
36:31
Speaker 7: talk about the grooming gangs in Britain. I'm an islamophobe.
36:35
Speaker 7: If we talk about why the Muslim Brotherhood is banned
36:38
Speaker 7: in the UAE and in Egypt and so on, that's Islamophobia.
36:43
Speaker 7: So it is basically it's a tool of propaganda to
36:46
Speaker 7: silence anyone who scrutinizes Islam or radical political Islam. It's
36:52
Speaker 7: also supposed to, supposedly to be on the same an
36:55
Speaker 7: equivalent of the word anti Semitism. Again, I want to
36:58
Speaker 7: remind Westerners after the Second World where we said never
37:02
Speaker 7: again to antisemitism. So the Islamist up bringing about this
37:06
Speaker 7: tool Islamophobia to say, well, you have to be against
37:10
Speaker 7: all forms of hatred, even though embedded in the radical
37:14
Speaker 7: Islamist agenda is a deep hatred for Israel, for Zionism,
37:18
Speaker 7: and for Jews. But Islamophobia is then the propaganda method
37:23
Speaker 7: by which we have to equate Islamophobia with antisemitism on
37:27
Speaker 7: the one hand, and silence anyone who wants to take
37:30
Speaker 7: a deeper look after the Islamist worldview.
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Speaker 2: We're very lucky to have you on the program, Iron
37:37
Speaker 2: just to help us understand all of this, because there
37:39
Speaker 2: is a long historical tile in all of this, Thank you.
37:43
Speaker 2: We'll speak to you again next week. Just something too
37:46
Speaker 2: on HELLEL. Fold. Victoria Place is now investigating a Ford
37:49
Speaker 2: letter which warned the Jewish charity Meghan David Haddom against
37:55
Speaker 2: allowing Fold to address their Thursday event in Melbourne virtually
37:59
Speaker 2: and the letter client to be from the state's counter
38:01
Speaker 2: Terrorism Command unit and said that airing mister Full's speech
38:04
Speaker 2: could amount to quote advocating terrorism. But Victoria Police have
38:08
Speaker 2: confirmed the letter was a forgery and that no such
38:12
Speaker 2: directive has been issued. After the break, is labour taking
38:16
Speaker 2: warnings to prepare for a protracted war? Seriously enough? Last
38:20
Speaker 2: at tax reform being considered by the coalition. I'll tell
38:23
Speaker 2: you some of this is good. We'll talk to that
38:25
Speaker 2: after the break. Welcome back still to come. Could a
38:31
Speaker 2: Victorian cold case, the heartbreaking disappearance of a twelve year
38:35
Speaker 2: old boy be on the cusp of a major breakthrough
38:39
Speaker 2: the first of I's freeing my panel Page Center's chief
38:41
Speaker 2: executive Jared Holland and columnist with a spectator of a
38:44
Speaker 2: radio star to Terry Barnes, genis welcome. Let's start with
38:48
Speaker 2: these tax reform ideas want have been a good news
38:50
Speaker 2: out there, we're just drowning and all the doom and gloom.
38:54
Speaker 2: But some ideas on the table by some in the
38:56
Speaker 2: Liberal Party. They want to see tax deductibility at school fees,
39:01
Speaker 2: and they want income splitting. I love this one for couples. Terry,
39:05
Speaker 2: what do you think of the ideas.
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Speaker 8: Well, Peter. When it comes to income splitting, I mean
39:09
Speaker 8: John Howard was a champion of it in the eighties.
39:11
Speaker 8: I think everything old is new again. But look, it's
39:13
Speaker 8: good to see some coalition backbenches actually thinking about tax reform,
39:17
Speaker 8: and I think that is a good thing. But really,
39:19
Speaker 8: I think what we missed in the last three years
39:21
Speaker 8: was that thinking about tax reform. So if that's the signal,
39:24
Speaker 8: that is an even better thing. But it would be
39:27
Speaker 8: good to see the whole coalition leadership actually focus on
39:30
Speaker 8: not only tax reform, but also on reforming what government does,
39:34
Speaker 8: what's actually done.
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Speaker 2: With our taxes.
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Speaker 8: And I'm not endorsing or saying another fight back as
39:39
Speaker 8: in the nineties, but I think we need some sort
39:42
Speaker 8: of real comprehensive manifesto like that, some real comprehensive policy
39:46
Speaker 8: work to actually give the Liberal Party the coalition some
39:48
Speaker 8: real purpose.
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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what if we want to get found
39:51
Speaker 2: with a fair go Jared, I really love income splitting.
39:54
Speaker 2: You know, one partner in the relationship earns x income
39:58
Speaker 2: and then it's split over the two people. So you
40:01
Speaker 2: drop in many instances tax brackets. It gives families flexibility.
40:05
Speaker 2: It's not a handout. They just get to keep more
40:07
Speaker 2: of their money. What do you think.
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Speaker 9: I couldn't agree more. There is a communicative value to
40:14
Speaker 9: the law. What we choose to tax sets, what we
40:17
Speaker 9: choose to incentivize, what we choose to disincentivize, and it
40:20
Speaker 9: shows what we value as a nation.
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Speaker 2: At the moment.
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Speaker 9: We treat families as independent individual economic units, and so
40:26
Speaker 9: if that family makes a decision to say, take some
40:28
Speaker 9: time out one of the parents to look after kids,
40:31
Speaker 9: to care up for the older generation, they are then
40:34
Speaker 9: punished by the tax system because our we currently don't
40:37
Speaker 9: recognize that that is an economic unit. Income splitting What
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Speaker 9: it does is it just gives families more choice about
40:42
Speaker 9: how many hours they work about making the best decisions
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Speaker 9: for their kids and for their family. And at a
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Speaker 9: time when we've got one of the lowest birth rates
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Speaker 9: on record, I think it's one point four to four
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Speaker 9: children per woman. Now we really need to be looking at, well,
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Speaker 9: how have we created an economic system as a society
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Speaker 9: that is disincentivizing one of the most value and important
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Speaker 9: things that we can do in our short time on
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Speaker 9: this earth.
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Speaker 2: I'll also make the quick point two. We taxt people
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Speaker 2: as individuals, but when we give them their money back
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Speaker 2: as handouts, we treat them as a household and so
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Speaker 2: we're not comparing apples and apples and apples here. Let's
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Speaker 2: go to Malcolm Davis's comments today. He's a senior analyst
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Speaker 2: with the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, is a bit of
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Speaker 2: a defense expert. He says the possibility of a protracted
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Speaker 2: war with China is real. Andrew Clenell today picked up
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Speaker 2: those comments and asked the PM about boosting defense spending.
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Speaker 2: Have a listen, if.
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Speaker 8: We don't spend more on defense, couldn't the Americans threaten
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Speaker 8: to not build or give us the orcust submarines.
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Speaker 5: Well, I think that Australia should decide what we spend
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Speaker 5: on Australia's defense, simple as that. That's my view.
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Speaker 2: Jit Terry, I love how he talks tough, knowing that
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Speaker 2: if it gets stuck, he'll hit the trigger. He'll in
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Speaker 2: the Answers treaty and will desperately want the Americans then,
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Speaker 2: but we should be pulling our weight well.
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Speaker 8: Indeed, Peter, look, I think about almost two thousand years ago,
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Speaker 8: there was a Roman who wrote, if you want peace,
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Speaker 8: prepared for war. I mean even the boy Scouts their
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Speaker 8: motto has be prepared. I think mister Albanisi, the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 8: is actually in denial here. He should be actually focusing
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Speaker 8: on the fact they're real threats to our in our region,
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Speaker 8: global security is very precarious, and that we actually are
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Speaker 8: behind the April and when it comes to the Australian
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Speaker 8: Strategic Policy Institute. I mean, he's very good at suiting
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Speaker 8: the messenger, isn't he. I mean he doesn't want to
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Speaker 8: hear these things. He's in denial, Peter, He's in denial.
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Speaker 2: Let's just go back quickly to energy. The Libs are
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Speaker 2: out there today saying Joe that they're not going to
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Speaker 2: make a quick decision on net zero. I might say
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Speaker 2: to them, they haven't got forever. They're going to have
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Speaker 2: policies that they need to put to the people for
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Speaker 2: the next election. All of them are underpinned by whether
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Speaker 2: or not We're still committed to net zero, but I'll
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Speaker 2: make the point the st afternoon, Energy Australia has had
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Speaker 2: to put out urgent advice to the media. This is
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Speaker 2: the mob that owns the lawn power station in the
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Speaker 2: Tatoe Valley that one of the plants for units is down.
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Speaker 2: It's freezing cold in Melbourne. A demand obviously is high
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Speaker 2: and it will remain offline for at least two weeks.
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Speaker 2: Well Peter.
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Speaker 9: In the short time that we've had these targets, we've
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Speaker 9: seen electricity prices soar, some of the most expensive in
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Speaker 9: the world and drastically outpacing inflation. We've seen even greater
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Speaker 9: insecurity in our grid as we have basically turned away
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Speaker 9: from investing in reliable, dispatchable base load power. We've seen
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Speaker 9: living living standards fall as a result, one of the
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Speaker 9: biggest drops in the OECD, and we've seen a record
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Speaker 9: number of business insolvency is insolvencies as industry just isn't
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Speaker 9: able to cope to the coalition with zero. It's not
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Speaker 9: really a case of if, but when most center right
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Speaker 9: parties around the English speaking world have now moved away,
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Speaker 9: indeed most of the world when you look at total
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Speaker 9: omissions are no longer committed to Paris, and even in
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Speaker 9: the UK you've got Tony Blair giving advice to Keir
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Speaker 9: Starmer that it might be time to relook at their
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Speaker 9: net zero targets and impact that it's having on the
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Speaker 9: working poor. But time is not on our side in
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Speaker 9: an election cycle. The Australian public haven't been told the
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Speaker 9: truth by our public broadcasters, by our legacy media, by
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Speaker 9: their current elected leaders, beat the Energy Minister or the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister. And you have to tell them that story.
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Speaker 9: You have to bring to them the facts. You have
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Speaker 9: to bring to them what the rest of the world
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Speaker 9: is doing. You have to bring to them how that's
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Speaker 9: impacting us at home. You have to bring to them
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Speaker 9: and communicate how these surging prices impact their living standards,
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Speaker 9: impact their cost of living, and to slap it on
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Speaker 9: at the end in getting close up to election, that's
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Speaker 9: not enough time to bring the Australian public on this journey.
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Speaker 9: So I think there's a real opportunity here to lead,
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Speaker 9: just like they did with the Voice. But you have
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Speaker 9: to take the time and walk with the Australian public
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Speaker 9: who actually haven't had this conversation properly yet.
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Speaker 2: And a little bit of political bravery too, but we'll
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Speaker 2: see if that happens. Jod and Terry thank you both
44:59
Speaker 2: all right after the break, the return of a highly
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Speaker 2: regarded radio host. She's a good friend of mine and
45:03
Speaker 2: she's got a Gangbusters podcast. It could be a breakthrough
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Speaker 2: in our cold case.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you more up to.
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Speaker 2: Break Welcome back. Well, it's almost been fifty long years
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Speaker 2: since a twelve year old boy called Terry Floyd was
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Speaker 2: last seen in the Victorian country town of Avoca. Now, devastatingly,
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Speaker 2: no one's ever been charged over his disappearance. His remains
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Speaker 2: is presumed dead. His remains have never been found. But
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Speaker 2: my good friend, former radio broadcaster but podcast extraordinaire now
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Speaker 2: did it on Leavy is hoping she can open up
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Speaker 2: this case and bring justice to the family that's long
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Speaker 2: been denied. And please to say, she joins me. Now,
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Speaker 2: I tell you what I love a podcast, right, I
45:47
Speaker 2: am gripped by your podcast. The Boy in the Gold
45:50
Speaker 2: minds all credit to you. What made you pick up
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Speaker 2: this harrowing case?
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Speaker 10: Charlie Bazina form homicide detective. He used to be regular
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Speaker 10: on my radio show and he's been working as a
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Speaker 10: private investigator on this case since twenty eleven, and I
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Speaker 10: think when I stopped doing radio, he said, come on,
46:09
Speaker 10: here's a case.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at this.
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Speaker 10: And so I started to read the brief of evidence
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Speaker 10: from the first in quest that happened in twenty two
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Speaker 10: thousand and one, and each page I turned, my jaw
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Speaker 10: was dropping open at the failures of police along the
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Speaker 10: way and the things that Charlie told me, the new
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Speaker 10: evidence that he and Daryl had uncovered. I thought, there's
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Speaker 10: enough in this. There's enough in this as a story
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Speaker 10: to chase to I think there are two waims. One
46:37
Speaker 10: is Daryl is still trying to find his brother's business.
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Speaker 10: A brother, Yes, Darrel Floyd is his brother. Terry was
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Speaker 10: his older brother. So Daryl was ten and Terry was
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Speaker 10: twelve when he went missing. And we have every belief,
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Speaker 10: and I absolutely back both Darryl and Charlie Bizena, that
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Speaker 10: Terry's remains are in a gold mine just outside of Avoca,
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Speaker 10: and Darryl has literally been digging through that dirt trying
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Speaker 10: to find his brother's remains and finding things, finding a
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Speaker 10: silver chain identical to the one that Terry was wearing
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Speaker 10: when he disappeared, buttons from a denim jacket. Terry was
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Speaker 10: wearing one when he disappeared, pieces of a shoe exactly the.
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Speaker 2: Size that Terry was wearing.
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Speaker 10: So he For Daryl, the most important thing is to
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Speaker 10: finish this dig and he's so close. Minds are not
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Speaker 10: just a shaft, there are actually branches that come off it.
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Speaker 2: He's to the bottom of the shaft.
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Speaker 10: He needs to exhaust the three branches to know that
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Speaker 10: his brother's remains aren't there.
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Speaker 2: I think they are.
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Speaker 10: He thinks they are, and he needs the funding to
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Speaker 10: finish this mind search.
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Speaker 2: So just so people understand, this is gold mind country
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Speaker 2: and Central Victoria and people have thrown their rubbish in
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Speaker 2: these gold mines, many of them for many, many, many years.
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Speaker 2: He's dug through decades of rubbish. He's down now at
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Speaker 2: the pointy end. Yep, he's got an application in with
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Speaker 2: a Victorian government. They fund these sorts of inquiry investigations
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Speaker 2: to find the bodies of victims. Yeah, but they're sitting
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Speaker 2: on their hands here.
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Speaker 10: Since twenty twenty two. That was the last that Daryl
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Speaker 10: spoke to the police minister and was told there'd be
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Speaker 10: a conversation that conversation never happened. He's literally begging for
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Speaker 10: that last bit of funding. He's applied for one hundred
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Speaker 10: thousand dollars. He thinks realistically, you know, ten, maybe twenty
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Speaker 10: thousand will be enough, and that goes for fuel to
48:23
Speaker 10: drive the equipment and the air compressors and those sorts
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Speaker 10: of things and safety measures that they have to do
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Speaker 10: to protect the miners. But that's all he wants. He
48:32
Speaker 10: wants to find the remains of his brothers and Kuldaver
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Speaker 10: dogs have been run over some of the spoil that's
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Speaker 10: been pulled from the mine and they've reacted positively to
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Speaker 10: human remains.
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Speaker 2: So let's everyone at home please pressure the Victorian government
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Speaker 2: if you can, hit the phones and send in emails,
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Speaker 2: to put this money on the table to bring closure here.
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Speaker 2: But like Charlie Bissina, I'm listening to this case. It
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Speaker 2: reminds me so much of Chris Dawson's case, Headley Thomas's
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Speaker 2: podcast where let down the family. All the way along
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Speaker 2: justice has been served. There these persons of interest, if
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Speaker 2: I can call them, that involved or likely involved in
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Speaker 2: this disappearance. They're still alive. There's got to be justice did.
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Speaker 10: Indeed, only one of them has been named officially as
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Speaker 10: a person of interests. The main suspect, No, it's and
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Speaker 10: He has a criminal record and has been jailed for pedophilia.
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Speaker 10: He was on bail for molesting a child in a
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Speaker 10: toilet block at the time that Terry went missing. And
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Speaker 10: we have uncovered or Charlie Bazina has uncovered and I
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Speaker 10: was able to interview on the podcast a woman who
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Speaker 10: positively identified this particular man at the wheel of a
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Speaker 10: car that was next to Terry at the moment that
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Speaker 10: he disappeared.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you're going to stay across. It will stay absolutely
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Speaker 2: hear my viewers. Your pressure the Victorian governor to put
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Speaker 2: some money on the table please. The podcast is one
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Speaker 2: of the top podcasts in Australia. The Boy in the
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Speaker 2: gold Mine, that's it for me, see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 2: He's Andrew