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Talks to Nathan Bottomley about his choice of Meglos (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hello and welcome back to a hamster with the blunt penknife
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  the Doctor Who commentary podcast that you come to for all
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  of your ceiling related content. You'll never be disappointed.
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  We're so used to the three walls and yeah.
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  Well yeah, yeah and nothing and then aligning grid think of many
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  hours of late 70s, early 80s. You here as we can see the late
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  80s or swishing the mid. It's all free Waters.
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  Yeah. Yeah, shooting up was is not a
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  possibility if they do not will get the lighting Gantry.
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  Yeah. Someone will be having a pisser
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  to her. So this is the shortest ever
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  episode of Doctor Who this is that, right?
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  Yeah, this is shorter than the mine Raw Bar.
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  I think absolutely be 80 minutes are really why?
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  That's the Liberty show, isn't it?
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  Because Patrick troughton Fraser's, Wendy, peppery were
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  pissed off at they're having to carry so much.
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  Also they interested in want to say, A few minutes of every
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  episode of fine. You don't want episode less.
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  Haha. Yeah, well I mean this season is
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  28 episodes, isn't it? It is and then they lose they
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  lost. I think to because of Cain on a
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  company was that 19. I know it's all part of this
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  production block. We have kind of like a okay.
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  I'll oh no. I think that was 19.
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  I think they clawed to they claw back to episodes for the sake of
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  chartres or is that just fan rumor?
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  Maybe Like that, you know, we have gained those two episodes
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  we could have had more hijinks in the 20s in Black Orkut.
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  Yeah, but it is is like that 74 part stories this season, which
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  is pretty incredible. Because I was, um, I've been
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  thinking a bit about the final season of Pertwee lately.
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  And of course, there are only ever five stories in a perjury
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  season and most aren't there because there's those fucking
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  Cecil are better, so many stories and obviously it's more
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  expensive to have. More stories because you've got
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  cast every eight and knew it. Yeah, that's right.
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  I said one is always more expensive than any other kind of
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  episode. I was talking yesterday about
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  whether six or seven Parts work better.
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  I think seven do. I think somehow they advertise
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  the cost better. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Maybe it's impossible.
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  Evil of the Daleks Marco, Polo said season 7 and the season
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  seven was and they're all great stories.
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  Yeah, they are but they use the time I think to add extra
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  Character be for just to redo the action in an alternative
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  Universe. Gloria.
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  The I don't know, it's pretty great.
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  But yeah, I think there are three four works best.
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  Yeah, I think for works best, I think seven parties there is
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  something about just being with the same characters for like a
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  month and a half, you know. Like the Greg and Petra
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  relationship is not all that interesting but because we get
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  to think about it for a long time, it actually matters to us
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  at the end. End of Inferno that they go off
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  together and get a hotel room, but I do that.
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  Possibly potentially a romance. I still feel a mr.
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  Trick in every base and show you.
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  Yes, I've been totally into that.
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  I just don't think it was going to happen in.
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  No, yeah. Why do you think it's or six or
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  seven parts are like the perfect sort of Sunday afternoon?
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  Yeah. Reined in.
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  Let's watch. Three hours on palatov you know
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  quickly. Yeah.
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  And some of those expired. It's like they could to do the
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  ironing to do that kind of thing.
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  Think back to you know young Nipper Nathan.
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  Now desperately excited for his next episode of Doctor Who 25
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  minutes. Yeah a week.
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  You know and then this turns up 19 minutes long.
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  Well I never had to wait a week because in Australia they just
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  used to show it every week night so they would ya.
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  So in fact, us I know, I know you.
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  Well we were kind of spoiled. I've been looking into the way
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  that doctor who was broadcast in Australia and it was weird and
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  random. So for instance I think the
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  initial run of series 10, they didn't show the green death
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  because it got an A rating and adults rating in Australia.
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  And so Joe just disappeared Without a Trace and then we had
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  Sarah is dead. So, Yeah, fair enough.
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  And it was only years later where they resubmitted the green
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  death for reclassification at got G that they showed at, so
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  Doctor Who has Shone out of order and in sort of weird ways,
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  but the advantage was that we saw it a lot.
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  And in fact, I think, I think it might have been series 14 or 15,
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  which was actually shown twice in one year, you know, I think
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  Doctor Who now is all synced, isn't it so well.
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  Who is all that but when it first came back with Chris
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  Erickson, was there a bit of a delay?
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  Yeah there was about a three-month delay was willing to
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  bet your ass for us T Davies. Who remembers his time in the
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  80s where was baking Australians to send o VHS?
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  There's no like one where you going to give me this?
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  I think it might have been the ABC.
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  I think the ABC didn't quite realize how big the show was
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  going to be and they just said, oh well, we'll wait until he
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  whatever shitty. We have on in this time slot
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  finishes and then we'll start showing it.
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  Now, what happens? Is it screens on BBC One and
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  then the moment that it finishes on BBC, One and becomes
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  available on our ketchup service, why?
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  So at, like at, like, 7:00 in the morning, I don't know.
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  My big contractual thing and so, so I would be, I would go into
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  school, hide in my office, shut the door.
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  I was early, right? I wasn't goofing off.
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  Off, I would arrive earlier all sorts and I know and I would
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  watch dr. Doing then I would sort of get
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  on with my day and and because it was Sunday night, which I
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  think was a dreadful mistake for all sorts of reasons.
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  It ended up being Monday night here in Australia and actually
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  turned up on here. So it was the thing that we've
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  got completely, okay, nevermind, I'm going to apologize scrape
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  and I'll never lived in a trailer.
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  The trials and tribulations. Yeah, apparently the joy of
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  these during the 70's and 80's to watch Mega Los Angeles
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  slightly. Okay so Steve Alexander dolls is
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  a proprietary episode 4 as well. Is the scene between good Doctor
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  Who and evil Meg lost Doctor Who as good as it could have been.
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  So kind of seen it yet. Yeah, it's kind of come up.
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  I think Doctor Who has actually tended to do this very badly.
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  It doubles. Yes.
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  Oh, so we can only afford a few seconds or a confrontation
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  between salamander and the doctor heart.
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  We are he's awesome or you. We have been waiting for it but
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  they actually only managed to do it very, very briefly at the end
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  of the final episode. There's no evil persuade, the I
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  think the Android Invasion, which I think is better than
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  most people think it is kind of Rose away, the evil doubles
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  thing. There's a brief confrontation
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  between the doctor isn't there and Android.
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  Dr. Al without a tussle, don't they?
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  Yeah. But it's a formal basis.
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  Yeah. With Tom just?
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  Yeah, yeah. I'll be get shot the.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So that's not so good. And does it ever happen again?
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  Yeah. That is Omega and all the hater.
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  Yeah, that's more pagans to highlight.
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  I think there's one shot of them together.
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  Yeah. And then it's all just well and
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  because he's covered in Rice Krispies or whatever.
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  They just get his body double to play him it for some of that.
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  But Colleen, ever got one and I don't feel go, I did, I McCoy, I
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  should have done so, you know, I think what works really well is
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  that you've got Camp snarling, Tom who I like and then our Tom.
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  Like the doctor distinguishes himself by being more fun.
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  Hmm. Yeah.
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  And I think that that's Tom's overall approach, even back when
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  he was much more serious at the beginning of his Ron, he's job
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  was to be more fum. Zealand.
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  And he always is, and so that contrast becomes particularly
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  Stark. I think when you've got Meg loss
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  in the doctor, both played by Tom and it makes him seem even
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  more fun then, doesn't it when it's highlighted again?
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  Yeah, you know, horrible my dear.
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  I think they Do it with his age bracket as agent 18.
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  But in the Leisure Hive, when they ate him up when he
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  eventually turns up again in episode 4.
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  I just think they look so young. Yeah.
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  And it's actually lovely to have you back.
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  Yeah, it's wonderful. What just very quickly then,
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  Stephen all sorts of little sub-question.
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  Okay. Who would you like to would you
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  like to see more evil Doctor Who and which Incarnation would you
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  most like to see an evil version of?
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  Can I ask that quickly? You your honor Answer is mr.
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  Clever, more mr. Clever big finish spinoff from
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  Nightmare of silver in silver certainly.
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  Not like that was terrible. Just awful.
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  In fact, I would like to see. Oh, no, actually, we would have
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  had it. I was going to say Colin, but
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  basically was evil is wrong. But yeah, I'm gonna get that
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  horrid calling in the one with the evil Ray.
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  You know, the modern ultimate Evil was gonna go around The
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  Shard of glass. Yes.
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  No. That would have been awful.
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  So that would be, maybe more Way then.
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  Yeah. What about the modern doctors?
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  The only one that we've really had is evil.
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  Is is ah, yeah, I mean, would have been nice for Jodie
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  Whittaker, so let loose. Yeah, that's why that's why, you
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  know, I think they miss a trick by kind of completely
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  sidelining, Jodi for huge stretches of her own finale to
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  get Sacha to play her. Yeah, that would've been really
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  would've been really fun for. That's where it was going.
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  Yeah. Yeah, that would have been
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  great. I mean Sasha's, great.
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  So don't complain. Oh, I agree.
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  So should we say Jody? Yep.
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  Jody evil. Jody and congratulations are
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  believe. We may have done a preamble
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  longer than the episode. Should we go all 19 minutes?
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  Three, two, one, and we're off. That's what you said to me
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  earlier. About Tom game, performers
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  moments in the Leisure Hive and Meg loss.
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  I started to think throughout the season.
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  I think it's just every story, full circle.
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  He gets that wonderful bit where you confront them after they try
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  and do SEC. Yeah, I think he does like that.
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  Haunting approach in Warriors gate really well, we always
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  like, do nothing. That's the most, you know, tend
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  to ask Tom Baker to do nothing. If I might have a story.
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  Yeah, State of Decay. Okay, let's just doing this
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  thing as head of the case. Yeah, but brilliantly.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they turned him down.
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  He wanted to come out the a bit where he comes out the Tardis
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  and rallies. All the and rounds of the name
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  of a space. Where does the Shakespeare
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  speech from Henry? The fifth thought about his
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  idea? Was they all throw Spears in and
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  he comes out. The Tardis clutching the lon he
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  got mad at all, how long's are reprise here?
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  In this very short, So did I? Well he's just produced the tiny
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  dodecahedron attack reacting to it.
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  He's my, he's my, he gets the Bonnie Langford award for most
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  surprising superb, performance. Hello.
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  Yeah. I think there's a bit of
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  something in every commentary you've ever done.
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  Yet has made you how I Blaster. It was the spiders in Iraq near
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  to. Yeah, it was the graph indicate.
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  Yeah. I mean all of Delta and
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  abandonment. Yeah, wonderful glorious.
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  I'm glad it's still going on. Yeah, just tell me when this
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  reprieve actually becomes new material.
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  Okay. How far into the episode?
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  We are right here and that will tell us how much new material we
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  get ya. So, we are aware only one minute
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  in or just over one minute is any 17 minutes left?
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  Yeah, if I click here now, I'll stop it.
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  Possibly suggesting that. There is a much to this climax.
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  Yeah, I don't know. It is odd, isn't it?
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  I'm glad I didn't pad it out. Out.
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  But I recently went to the theater and saw a fabulous show
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  called boeing-boeing, right? Which was a set of doors on the
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  stage and it became a massive fall spot over here.
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  I think we just that's it. That's the shot that we go to
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  note. Is that and I, we still got a
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  shot. It's always exciting, isn't he?
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  This is a bit now, you see a look of horror on his face and
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  then someone runs in it. Goes snow off.
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  You don't look happy that rock, you know?
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  Yeah, yeah. Well, no, it doesn't, it looks
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  like polystyrene. I miss worry.
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  I think I said this before. The guy has to clean up after
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  the sacrifices miserable drunk. Ha ha ha.
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  He commits race down the bar with a guy works in the sauna.
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  Yeah, level set their. Did you say they go up on that
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  ramp or Bridge? Yeah, I'm quite a lot because,
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  you know, it's just a bit. Space.
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  Um but yeah so we go back to Boeing Boeing very quickly.
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  It's a series of dolls, they're in and out of doors, it's all
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  very funny. That's basically what this
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  episode becomes by the end. They just rushed from place to
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  place the dodecahedron. And all the technobabble is
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  irrelevant. The farm is basically, who is
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  the doctor in? Yeah, yeah.
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  Well, it's it's the fun thing where the doctor comes in and
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  then he comes in again, you know, why don't we end up?
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  Having two codes does broad attack, get to code, so does it?
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  I can That's right. Wait, no.
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  Now he's done playing a doctor. He's feeling the code.
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  Look, what he's wearing. Max has been like, why I will
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  write everything come on, but like the actual, the nuts and
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  bolts of this conclusion. It's all just nonsense.
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  Isn't it? Like is it sort of pain?
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  Anto. But it's fun.
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  Like I like we're going to put the dodecahedron in here.
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  He plans to what be me off the Shields and Destroy planets or
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  something. Selah.
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  The fact that we are neither one of us knows and yet we've seen
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  this it's got a he gets a big space thing which can fire beams
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  at beings, is it? So.
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  But what they do then is, they do the Tom player Meg loss at
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  make laws play in the doggy? Yeah, that is.
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  There's nothing more dogs who than this Tom Baker is holding
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  up this Dreadful little processing.
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  The possibilities are absolutely very funny and then there's me
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  How did and it was my turn to stand in the middle of the
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  circle and you start the skit and I couldn't think of
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  anything. So I did that.
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  I held up my hand and when infinite possibilities, it was
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  just sort of looking at me like I'm standing by The Shield's
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  there. I mean, it was Because he's
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  hoping a dodecahedron, tree, will grow.
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  Hmm. See doing that.
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  How applies I think? I think that was the idea
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  because you see the live in the comes up and then the screen is
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  just sort of, although it bounces the light and then the
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  heart says, the power, I think. Yeah.
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  Yeah. And he wasn't able to Galaxy or
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  something. We're super boring easily.
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  It should just hang out with a gas tax.
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  Is much more fun, but yeah, brought a date.
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  Going on about the code and he's the best.
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  Fuck is going on, just give me that coat.
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  Now these minutes here of these 18 minutes or so at least one
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  minute. He's 16.
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  A shot that leaves us with 15 minutes only 30 minutes from the
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  end. But that looks great.
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  I just think that model looks so good.
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  I mean it looks like a model like what the fuck?
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  We know it's a model. We know it's not a real space
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  thing but it's more effort than they've ever gone to.
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  I think I think they've got a good sense of scale so it feels
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  like yeah. You know without don't do the
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  thing, they don't do the thing where they shoot the model from
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  above. That's the absolute problem.
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  That's why, you know, the oil rig.
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  Yeah. You know like that, like shoot
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  it from the living room into a storm, right?
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  So here we go. There goes like sir.
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  So that guy who we thought was dead, he's on the ground.
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  He wakes up just long enough to shoot lexer for no reason at
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  all, and then he dies. That's terribly pathetic.
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  Like, she just ripped through are Monica's.
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  She saved my life. Did she just go robot?
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  He does. Yes, she did.
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  And she is absolutely. She's done with now, in terms of
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  plot. Yeah, we can't think of anything
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  for hope no more sacrifices to be done.
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  So, it, What if the other thing they could have done is they
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  could have made her sacrifice herself in some meaningful way.
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  In order to, you know, bring about this new society that
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  we're building on together, but we don't give a shit about that
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  because we're too busy making what I think are pretty fabulous
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  jokes about the code, like lots of stuff like that but it could
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  have been more interesting. Lovely moment in the very last
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  episode of Buffy, where Spike sacrifice himself in a Golden
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  Light. Yeah, yeah, love you some of
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  that we're not going to have that between legs ready.
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  Hell, you know, I love Nirvana and goes off in a beam of light,
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  but that sort of thing. Yeah.
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  Something big. You know, something that matters
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  is this even a planet there behind the screen.
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  Oh, that was the Moon. That was in the, in the earlier
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  shots. It looks really good or it might
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  be imagine if it's to gallery. And I would like to point out.
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  There is a story in the next season.
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  The ends also with a series of screens and an enormous pink
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  snake, I have anywhere Nikki, it's a better story but it is a
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  better story but it's true. Let's say the execution is a
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  little worse. Yeah, I like it when they
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  replace it with shitty CGI. Snake in the special feature.
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  Looks like that one, you know? It's a bit fuzzy but it is it
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  couldn't get worse. So his powers By the site for
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  you guys patients, it's actually wonderful watching Tom, watch
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  his own performance because you know, Tom is someone that you
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  think is always on the same like, Katie Manning, you know,
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  like you think they're always on, they're always doing a bit,
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  they're always playing a part. And in fact, in, I think that
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  they're sat there for so long in behind the sofa that you
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  actually do see moments of actual genuine reaction for
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  sure. And some of Tom's reaction,
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  Sounds like because you just you know, Tom when he was in this,
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  he didn't read them, you know, pages of the script that he
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  wasn't even, you know? Like it was all about him and
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  now he said of watches himself doing fantastic performance
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  moments things that we really like and he kind of laughed at
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  himself is if he's tired of being a massive ham, it isn't
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  that funny. And I think like it's not, you
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  know, it's not an anti great Barrister.
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  Is it is but it is Also, not kind of going, I'm really
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  fantastic either. I mean he laughs it in the way
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  that we laugh at it, you know, like he did Tom doesn't do a
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  naturalistic performance and never does but he does just a
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  compellingly interesting Cavallo.
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  Imagine that a naturalistic performers from Tom by know
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  what. It would just be this weird.
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  Okay. So make loss has gone out.
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  Yeah, brought an exact screen now.
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  The doctors come in, but pretending Evening gloves, fuck.
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  He's hit the deck and just go. So I say I like his coat.
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  There we go, all day. So we're blowing up together.
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  Well, it's like the rhydian. Three is.
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  What are we doing that? Well, we've met some people.
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  We really gave a shit about is dead now.
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  I like Karis as well. Oh, okay.
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  Yeah, she's pretty great. And there is another coat and it
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  looks like he's Games been rumbled.
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  Then let me come from God. Did everything but stare at the
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  fuck. Yeah.
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  Hanna Barbera style go. Oh, we're old non-speaking,
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  guys. Tag has just walked out of shot.
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  These people are standing around doing nothing.
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  See, this is sort of the lighting of the Leisure Hive but
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  sort of not that as well. No, it's just not as well.
• 22:56
  They're, they're trying to suggest that, you know, the
• 22:58
  great parent that they take a whole thing.
• 23:00
  Yeah. But it doesn't like a, you know,
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  a spotlight in the studio know it, then Tom immediately.
• 23:06
  Look at that. I'm smiling.
• 23:07
  He just immediately says, no, you can have one code each.
• 23:10
  You've done such a good job. So, for a moment, his he looks
• 23:13
  like he's been sprung and then he just sort of tries to charm
• 23:16
  his way through it. Even these bloody Pirates can't
• 23:21
  do a countdown without sort of gern enough to screen.
• 23:24
  Okay. $50 is where they realize they've been outfoxed and by the
• 23:33
  activating the thing is going to blow up this base.
• 23:35
  That there is yeah. A huge product
• 23:49
  and you just get this sort of excited response from product
• 23:54
  and the and the subtitles are slobbering appropriate.
• 24:02
  Be right there and at the climax that countdown, you get Maple of
• 24:06
  just going, no kind of loss and they're gonna punch him in the
• 24:14
  stomach. And I think Meg loss is now the
• 24:16
  doctor. No, I think.
• 24:18
  No, no, I think I'm grogger thinks that still thinks the
• 24:22
  doctor is Meg glass. And he says, go and put him in
• 24:25
  the thing. We don't need him anymore.
• 24:27
  I chose punch both of them. Now, I'll show ya where we get
• 24:29
  our confrontation. This is Steven, I think this is
• 24:32
  a nice seeing, you know, because he's actually a little bit under
• 24:35
  played by both of them have to be super evil.
• 24:41
  Yeah. See the confusion.
• 24:49
  These guys are just they've got nothing to do during these 18
• 24:53
  minutes, do they? But these are your drinks.
• 24:54
  Lalla, Ward Harris, particularly good.
• 24:56
  Peering around a corner acting, there's in a terrific peering
• 24:59
  around the corner. It's just a lot of it Warriors
• 25:02
  gate you know and climbing climbing for holes in spaceships
• 25:05
  the hair helps to sell and I think Hmm.
• 25:08
  Okay. So real big confrontation now
• 25:11
  I'm sure we're going to get, you know, probing psychological
• 25:14
  explanation as to why Meg lost wants to destroy tie, Gala
• 25:19
  problem was it revenge for what did they steal all the cactuses?
• 25:24
  I am taking away his family. Do they take the dodecahedron?
• 25:27
  I can't remember. There was a lot of foliage on
• 25:29
  time. Yeah.
• 25:34
  So, it's well, that's a good shot where you've got, Tom, just
• 25:37
  his right arm in the foreground. Did you hear what?
• 25:41
  Regular said they probably won't even hit Target.
• 26:09
  So they say, it's a shame to blow up a whole planet just
• 26:12
  count on blauser how win the war.
• 26:13
  I think he does, you know, he hasn't done anything for like no
• 26:16
  but he hasn't found out about yet been kicked or you know oh
• 26:20
  no. That's been kicked, doesn't it?
• 26:21
  Yeah, not. Not today though.
• 26:24
  I've seen things happen over the fellow.
• 26:26
  He's a morning morning. The place is Contracting.
• 26:29
  You know, you get out of it basic canine saying the entire
• 26:31
  plot. Yeah, because he sounds like an
• 26:33
  idiot. No one's listening to.
• 26:34
  Yes, that's right. A fella piece of Frozen.
• 26:37
  Was it? But he goes, it's a highlighter.
• 27:07
  Let me put me back in school reunions and they gave him a
• 27:10
  proper laser called. Yeah.
• 27:12
  During the krillitanes. Yeah.
• 27:14
  Circle. Yeah, so good.
• 27:17
  Why'd you want to control the universe?
• 27:18
  Why? Yeah, I mean it baffles me is.
• 27:21
  Ha ha, ha. Twitter for everyone where he
• 27:52
  could just be snorting cocaine. Off a series of supermodels
• 27:55
  every day for the rest of his life.
• 27:57
  You haven't ruined the farm. He hoped that.
• 27:59
  No young people, throw that bit of snob but slides across the
• 28:05
  floor. When Janet Fielding for she goes
• 28:08
  I can see the fishing line. Get out.
• 28:10
  Said good things about special effects in this.
• 28:12
  But that is crap out what she's American oil and so, yeah, it is
• 28:20
  a big crap but I love this where it sort of sneaks in behind
• 28:24
  them, instead of climbs into the cactus.
• 28:28
  I mean, that is cab, isn't it a bit of a bit of slime running in
• 28:32
  going? No, stop it.
• 28:46
  You can see it being pulled by you're thinking of cause of Acts
• 28:50
  or swear. There's that guy under a duvet.
• 28:53
  Oh yes even came adding is but oh well it is Richard Franklin,
• 28:57
  don't mind it but you know man under a duvet with a cactus is
• 29:02
  back. Yeah.
• 29:03
  It crawled into the cactus materialize.
• 29:10
  Then we see. Going on behind that
• 29:13
  dodecahedron is doing his thing. That looks great, though, their
• 29:16
  Shields are reflecting it on and like all good Doctor Who stories
• 29:21
  it ends with a big big explosion are now.
• 29:23
  We're saying goodbye disaster, okay.
• 29:25
  Okay. Let's just see what looks so
• 29:27
  you're gonna do some gardening. Oh this gal you think that
• 29:32
  stopped them from being on the surface just that aggressive
• 29:34
  vegetable. Ash aggressive vegetation that
• 29:36
  for some underground scene that they're beautiful.
• 29:44
  So we're going to do some gardening and we're going to get
• 29:51
  we get a little crap joke here, where that's quite good, though.
• 29:56
  I can get you back before you even, you know, on this on the
• 30:00
  Blake seven scale. I'll say it's in the, in the
• 30:02
  upper echelon, but it doesn't have anyone laughing at it.
• 30:05
  I think a crap joke where you just get a sort of Boggle
• 30:08
  reaction from that strange. Looking guy.
• 30:11
  We've just A ton of fetuses, I mean, a nursery of 1,000.
• 30:15
  Can you imagine what? I'm going to say the sorry to do
• 30:20
  this but not on keros and diedrichs they get married and
• 30:26
  that's still performs the ceremony, okay?
• 30:28
  You know, I think that could happen without any people, we
• 30:30
  know on this planet. And then a cult of people who
• 30:32
  worship Jackie hill come in, come in and sacrifice a bunch of
• 30:37
  people. You know, how during the
• 30:40
  wedding. It's like the Red Wedding.
• 30:41
  Oh, Mabel clothes and they're all, they're all executed on the
• 30:45
  wedding day. Okay.
• 30:46
  Happy ending me. See.
• 30:48
  Okay, well, I have more questions.
• 30:50
  We do. You know, we do, I'm going to
• 30:52
  pull them up now but you need to talk to people, are you want me
• 30:57
  to Vamp? Yes, please.
• 30:58
  Well, we going into full circle part 1.
• 31:00
  So there will be some bombs in transparent.
• 31:05
  Yes. Well, that's what twink bombs
• 31:07
  aren't. Ya were allowed to enjoy them.
• 31:09
  No, no, no. But that he agreed, wait.
• 31:17
  Well it's not quite Tomorrow People levels of kind of the
• 31:20
  Twigs are like the Galactic Federation.
• 31:23
  Yeah, all right quiet. Okay so I've got the questions
• 31:27
  here. Here we go.
• 31:30
  Justin Bush comments. Hello Justin.
• 31:32
  That's not a never recognized instant hello.
• 31:34
  Justin. Right.
• 31:35
  Just that this is one of my comfort Doctor Who stories.
• 31:39
  I've always loved it as our dramatic, funny.
• 31:41
  Sci-fi fantasy nonsense. That's just a wild romp of a
• 31:44
  tail. One of my guilty, pleasure
• 31:46
  Doctor Who stories really just a new have my pleasure to feel no
• 31:50
  guilt about this at all. Exactly what this is and I think
• 31:54
  it's what its intended to be. So that's terrific.
• 31:57
  That's so great. This is what this fellas a good
• 32:00
  ship Shug stuff. Ya know we have interacted with
• 32:04
  him before I think and being that Tom was infamously grumpy
• 32:08
  during this time. Can you just imagine how our see
• 32:11
  he was When I told him about the cactus makeup, he didn't call
• 32:15
  them a bunch of Pricks and it was a wasted opportunity.
• 32:18
  Yeah. I think that, I think that Tom
• 32:21
  is like, Tommy's really famously.
• 32:24
  Perhaps at his worst this season in State of Decay, according to
• 32:27
  pay them off at that was speed them off.
• 32:30
  It isn't it? Yes.
• 32:31
  Yeah. That was when he was kind of at
• 32:33
  his most terrible, and I think, I think Matthew Waterhouse says
• 32:38
  that to and in his autobiography, Effie.
• 32:42
  But I can't help thinking that Tom had been so used to just
• 32:47
  kind of gliding through the episodes relying on his
• 32:50
  considerable charm and Charisma that being forced to act in this
• 32:55
  episode under makeup and in the previous episode under makeup, I
• 32:59
  think he would have absolutely been losing his shit at that.
• 33:04
  I just think he was just, I mean, if you seen the footage
• 33:06
  behind the scenes, and I'll take this fucking dreary prop and
• 33:10
  throw it for hard science or indeed the J&T ambition for no
• 33:23
  one else's question. Yeah, maybe we did this think I
• 33:25
  have actually chill out. Okay, as I mentioned a few times
• 33:28
  on who back when I am terrified of walking and moving plants and
• 33:33
  he puts in It's Isa to hot house which is a big finish.
• 33:36
  Audio was annoyed ever boys. They terrify me make loss isn't
• 33:40
  quite as bad but still makes me a bit nervous.
• 33:42
  Otherwise it's amazing to see Jacqueline Heel back, but wasted
• 33:46
  sadly. Yeah, I don't think she's
• 33:48
  wasted. I mean, she has a major role so
• 33:52
  that's John. David isn't she has a major
• 33:55
  role. I think that we get enough air,
• 33:58
  I, you know, we talked about what we thought of her death as
• 34:01
  a character but No, she's great. We've also talked about how that
• 34:06
  role model gone down with a less sophisticated actress in the
• 34:09
  role. It would have been much thing.
• 34:12
  And finally Jet Jaguar and is made up band.
• 34:17
  Oh, a dark side Arc. Let's say Adept at heart.
• 34:21
  Yeah, okay. Does that mean I have no idea.
• 34:23
  It promises a lot. Everyone seems to hate Meg lost.
• 34:26
  Nowadays will not us know. So my question would be it's if
• 34:30
  it's so bad. Why was five-year-old me so
• 34:33
  fucking Terrifying genuinely started having nightmares about
• 34:37
  cactuses after this one. I know that sounds terrible and
• 34:39
  traumatic, but I'm really happy about this.
• 34:42
  That's right about Doctor Who is for, isn't it?
• 34:45
  Every allow you to know, I'm a yeah.
• 34:47
  But I'm glad it could still do that even when it's trying to be
• 34:51
  terribly serious, all their moments.
• 34:54
  Laura, the working eighteen other.
• 34:56
  Like the own sort of, as good as sort of Hinchcliffe horror.
• 34:59
  I don't know what about the doctor being torn apart in the
• 35:02
  Cliffhanger to Leisure like to it's a boy, isn't it?
• 35:06
  Yeah, I think there's moments as a weird.
• 35:10
  Sort of Weiss is a fine line between comedy and horror when
• 35:15
  the ferals being electrocuted or no.
• 35:17
  That's not why he's acting off. But a look at wait, we brought
• 35:22
  boxes now showing us near naked, boys, swimming through the
• 35:26
  River. Circle, is actually really look
• 35:30
  like have those boys, you have