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Hello and welcome to the UK column.
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Today I am joined by Matt Erett. Welcome back to the program.
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Matt, it's been a little while since you've been on.
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How are things going? Oh, hi, Mike.
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It's, it's always a great pleasure to join you.
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And yeah, keeping busy. The world's giving me a lot to
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think about. So I'm, I'm, I'm having at the
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very least an interesting time with, with our crisis.
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I don't know if it's necessarily optimistic, but it's it's
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interesting. Well, of course most people know
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you live in Canada, and Canada clearly in the process of being
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encircled at the moment as Trump aims to get hold of Greenland.
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How seriously do you take these, this desire for Canada to become
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the 51st state then? In the well, I, I try to think
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like an oligarch, you know, I, I try to put myself in the shoes
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of, of one of these Dungeons and Dragons game masters who are
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trying to treat humanity like it's a board game.
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And there are games within games.
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And you know, when you take a step back and you recognize as,
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as we've all worked to do, the deeper conspiratorial
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undercurrents shaping many of the big developments throughout
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history, we realize that there are the the most people we live
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with think very short term, moment to moment, paycheck to
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paycheck. Those who don't worry about such
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things and and are incubated in a different cultural matrix than
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your average person who goes to a Community College or whatever.
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But if you're, if you're part of these upper upper echelon
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families, you do tend to get trained to think long term, deep
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past, deep future and act accordingly.
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So not saying that that's good, I'm just saying that that's
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that's what we're dealing with is a quality of thinking that
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most average citizens are not used to dealing with.
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So on the short term, I don't think that necessarily I would
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expect to see Canada falling into becoming a 51st state.
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But in the longer term, I do see that perhaps as the consequence
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of, let's say a manufactured blowout of the transatlantic
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system, which could and will, unless very drastic measures are
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taking, which I don't see currently where and who is
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pushing the type of necessary measures that I know would be
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possible and necessary, I don't see it.
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So what I would see as a consequence of the lack of
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action, appropriate action, would be the breakdown of supply
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chains, the blowout of a major financialized speculative bubble
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in the the period ahead. What day, we don't know.
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What time we don't know, but we're living in it right now
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currently speaking, I do think that the ambition to create to
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expand a jurisdictional control over Greenland over as much of
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Canada as possible over much of you know, Mexico, Latin America
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down to much of South America is part of a pro.
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It's part of a plan. I think there is a blueprint to
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get there. How what the the details will be
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step by step getting there is is underdeveloped in my mind.
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I, I'm, I'm, I have many hypothesis, but I don't think
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that Carney's Carney is here for a reason.
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I think he, it's been many years of planning to situate him and
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to create the, the terrain that would be ripe to impose him as
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the the replacement to a Justin Trudeau.
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I had originally recorded a segment back in 2013 when I had
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a podcast. They're going through the
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origins of the bailing mechanism and Carney's specific role
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working at the Bank of International Settlements with
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Mario Draghi in, in formulating the bailing regime.
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This is back in 2010 that he was doing this while he was governor
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of the Bank of Canada. And I did a, a presentation
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where I made a point that it was as though he was being situated
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to be highly placed in political position.
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The way that the media was portraying him as a great hero
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in the, in the zeitgeist. The, the type of language was
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something I'd never seen used for civil servants at any
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regards. So I, I got the sense even then
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that there was a, a, a preparation to impose him as a
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much more competent, albeit dangerous high priest of
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banking. I think that his job currently
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is to play a very important role, very highly valued role to
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his masters within the City of London and and broader imperial
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structures. And, and I do think though that
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there is that he was assisted whether Trump knows what he did
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or not. I'm going to reserve judgment
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for the moment, but I would say that he would not have become
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the the Prime Minister of Canada had the decision had the
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decision not been made to begin the language that Trump deployed
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to make Canada the 51st state, which triggered A subconscious
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fear factor embedded multi generationally across most
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Canadians all over. Maybe not Alberta, but most
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Canadians have a fear of America.
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It's been baked in by design since the 19th century.
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And and Trump or whoever wrote his speeches and and created
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this plan invoked by design bats such that Pierre Polyevla, the
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conservative, not to say he was a good person, but definitely
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would have given people more to work with than than Carney.
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He he failed to succeed where he all, all polls favored Polyevla
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before the election. And then after the 51st state
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comments began. Then everybody was induced to
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rally around the big red comfort logo of the L, the Liberal Party
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L and Carney, who was the, the, the embodiment, the archetype
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who was going to be the, the great pick, you know, savior.
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Just as he saved us in 2000 and eight, 2009 while he was running
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the Bank of Canada, he saved us from the banking crisis.
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And so he's going to do it again, and that's what happens.
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So I do think that there's part of a a gaming out of planning
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factor in a lot of this, which most people I know don't pay
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attention to. OK, that, that's the reason I
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asked that question in the 1st place, of course, was because of
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his speech at Davos, which got all kinds of traction on social
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media and all kinds of people thinking that this was the most
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amazing thing that they'd ever heard.
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And of course, what was what was he talking about?
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He was talking about this idea of middle states.
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Now you'll have to remind me who it was.
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You sent me a video clip that you thought was a source for
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that speech. And I sent you a video clip of
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Bronwyn Maddox from the from Chatham House, which I thought
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was was the source of the speech.
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But nonetheless, what we seem to be seeing is amongst some, some
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of these types at that level, clear agreement on, on a, a sort
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of policy that that has been introduced at Davos by and Mark
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Carney as the mouthpiece for it. This idea of, of the middle
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states getting together to fight the two big beasts of the world,
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which is now the United States and China, of course.
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So, so I mean, what do you think, what do you think he was
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expressing at Davos? And you know where?
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Where do you think the policy has come from?
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Yeah, the, the person I I was hypothesizing was was Jeffrey
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Sachs, who bragged not that just a little bit after Carney's
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speech at Davos, he bragged how proud he was of his former
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student and how he knew that as he was teaching a younger Carney
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that he had all of his great potential.
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And now he's seen it manifest what a proud, proud mentor he
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was. So, you know, there's that.
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But I think that this this policy was largely formulated in
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its current incarnation in the ascension of purely A Trudeau
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and purely A Trudeau gave a 1969 speech describing the new
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configuration of the middle power policy of Canada because
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it is middle power. It's not it's not a strong
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power, but it has influence. And he said the policy when he
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was asked what is your policy objectives by a journalist, he
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said to create counterweights. That's all he said very
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ambiguous. But what that meant was whenever
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the geopolitical Manichaean balance of the Cold War, which
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was premised around this dichotomization of, you know,
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capitalism is the are the the beings of light and freedom and
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democracy. And then communism is the
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authoritarian anti freedom darkness and everything had to
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always be sort of balanced on this game board such that
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whenever the the Geo geopolitical point of gravity
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moves a little bit too much towards favoring, let's say an
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advantage towards the communist authoritarian side.
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Then Canada would take a leap and give its support to some
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policy measure of a Reagan or of a Thatcher or what have you to
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balance it out. And then inversely, whenever the
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the gravitational center of balance would move towards the
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capital side, then Canada would throw, you know, it's love over
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to Fidel Castro or to to the the Soviets in the 70s, which was
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always the way purely Trudeau managed it.
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And I think that that was part of a mathematical sort of
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cybernetics mechanism of control, of influence to use
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Canada as an asset within a broader terrain to advance the
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agenda of those who control Canada.
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And now people might say, well, who isn't?
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Isn't it Canadians who control Canada?
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Not at all. Canada is a monarchy.
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It it's run by a Privy Council, a Privy Council Office,
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governor, generals and entire unelected civil service, which
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is an enshrined deep state structure which is baked in to
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our constitution, so-called since the 19th century.
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Most policy decisions don't come from Canada.
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It comes from these groups and an array of think tanks that are
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loyal to the roundtable movement.
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Like we have the Canada International Council, which is
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sort of the, the analog to the CFR, the Council on Foreign
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Relations, which is a big policy making Bureau that we have the
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Canada 2020 think tank, which was what created and installed
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Justin Trudeau and, and shaped much of today's liberal program.
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It brought in many of the behaviorists around Barack Obama
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to play a big role in that as well in this 2008 to 2014
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period. So, you know, we have this whole
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subterranean mechanism that is loyal to systems of, of
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transnational empire far removed from anything here in North
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America, even though, you know, and, and So what does it want?
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Well, it, it wants feudalism, it wants hegemony, It wants to get
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rid of the nation state system, which has been a troubling
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innovation over the past few centuries, which has resulted in
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giving to the people a means of, of defending themselves from
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empire itself. Right.
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And so everything that I, I, I, I interpret the actions by those
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who are it's devoted servants in political positions as tied to
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that general great objective. Now, what are the greatest
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threats to set objective today? I think China and the Russian
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alliance together have provided A troubling disruptive influence
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of certain civilizational forces that are not willing to
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necessarily acquiesce to the depopulation reset agenda the
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way it was formulated in over many decades.
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And especially China which has managed to keep control over its
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banking system. It it avoided a major color
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revolution where many other nations failed.
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It expelled George Soros many decades ago and has been able to
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unleash a type of paradigm of long term anti 0 sum thinking,
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which provides for large scale infrastructure to be built that
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empowers nations who work with China, businesses and people who
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also benefit by that infrastructure.
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Despite the slanders that we might hear from a lot of the
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three letter agency run media outlets that try to say
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something otherwise, the facts do speak for themselves.
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Trying to eliminate, you know, a massive amount of poverty, a
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billion people pulled out of poverty in a in a relatively
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short time. And it's made that offer to the
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world, to the United States, to Europe, to many countries to
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say, if you want to break out of the, the Titanic that you're on
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shift gears and stop pushing war with us and instead work with us
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on building projects that will benefit you and create a
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foundation of trust building and other things.
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So far we've been very hard headed.
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And instead we've we've chosen to accelerate the, the economic
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asymmetric and other kinds of war in and around China.
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And I think Carney's current objective is to try to do his
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part in loosening the China Russia alliance by trying to put
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a new kind of language to repair, to repair the the broken
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relationship that Canada and China have had over the past
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decade. It's it's, it was completely
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annihilated over especially since 2017 when China realized
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what a dangerous beast Canada was and they cancelled their
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Canada China free trade agreement, which was a decade
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long plan, which they just cancelled by simply allowing
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Justin Trudeau to land in Beijing.
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Nobody was there to greet him and the same day he was forced
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to get back on the train on the plane fly back in embarrassment
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thinking that he was there as a he was supposed to arrive as a
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as a hero finalizing this long-awaited trade deal.
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A solid message was put forth saying that China is no longer
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interested in the offers of of tapping into Canada's resources,
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which are abundant and underdeveloped.
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But that was the promise. If you work with us, we'll
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create all sorts of advantages and you'll be able to access
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resources that you need. But if you try to, I think
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recognize at that time that if they allow that dependency, then
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those taps could be turned off at the whimsy of those who would
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otherwise wish to destroy them. And they chose to instead keep
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their their destiny locked in with Russia instead, even if
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they're going to be paying a little bit more than what was
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being offered by Canada. And I think and you know, the
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the Meng Wanzhou, Huawei scandal, the rest of the two
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Michaels, all of these things were the consequence of these
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battles. A lot of, you know, the the
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Canadian government had come in forcing China to to disinvest
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from its various mining interests in Canada.
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So there was a very hostile battle and I think almost a
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healthy battle that had occurred because of China's realization
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of what Canada was. But I think now with the new
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strategy, Carney is able to say to China and the Chinese elite,
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look, you're being bullied, we're being bullied.
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You have a hostile America on your backyard.
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We have a hostile America. We're different now.
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And Jeffrey Sachs has been sort of, for those who have noticed
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for the past couple of years, he's been creating a an
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intellectual terrain on the media circuits to try to
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persuade the Chinese intelligentsia that there is
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this, this, this healthier Carney, Carney like statecraft
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waiting to come into being that wants to work with you, which is
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more enlightened than the big bad, Batty Americans.
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And to what degree that that persuasion has been working, I
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don't know. But I think that that is what is
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applied and what Carney is trying to do right now to to
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basically provide to say, OK, look, we're, we're going to be
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able to work with China. We're going to have a new
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special relationship. And, and he's walking a fine
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line because, you know, it's, it's a bit difficult with the,
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with what the narrative has been baked, has been built up to do
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in the US, which is, you know, the Trump's whole mandate, a lot
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of his narrative has been around the idea that China is our
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existential enemy that we have to mobilize our resources
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against, even if that means sanctioning Canada.
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So there's, there's certain, you know, consequences to narratives
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that are, that don't mesh, that are creating these interesting
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dramas. And I'm curious to see how that
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unfolds. So obviously Carney in China,
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what was it 2 weeks before he went to Davos, star Starmer in
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China? We were recording this Starmer.
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Starmer is still in China at the moment.
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Can China Can China stand up to being propagandized by two such
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illustrious world leaders? Shannon's got some pretty smart,
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smart people running the show and I, I would, I would like to
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think that they've got a pretty good handle on the duplicity of
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these groveling schmucks. Who are I, I really do think Now
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does that mean everybody in decision making positions is
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that wise? I mean, I don't I wouldn't say
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that either. You know that people like stacks
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have have been working very, very slowly and and patiently
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building up followers. You know, he he brags how he
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lectures regularly in Beijing universities and he's been doing
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that training Beijing technocrats and or not Beijing,
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but Chinese technocrats and people who are in influential
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positions to adopt his way of thinking.
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Now keep in mind, this is the guy who, despite what he says
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now in denial of what he did, he did oversee for the IMF the
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complete rape of Russia under perestroika.
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And I don't believe for a second that he was simply misguided and
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thought, you know, he meant well, but you know, bad things
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happened by accident. I don't believe that in any way.
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I think that he was very self aware and got exactly what he
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wanted and has been trying to rebrand his disastrous policy.
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But he he was, he's the guy himself is a, is a religiously
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devoted Keynesian cyberneticist. He's given lectures at the
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London School of Economics on the importance of everybody to
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pay fealty to the doctrines of of John Maynard Keynes as well
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as the the the doctrines of Lord Bertrand Russell, the the
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godfather of cybernetics, which he's also a believer in as far
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as the language of of power projection and control of
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systems. Just just for people that don't
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know, just just explain what you mean by cybernetics.
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Yeah, that was a a certain computing.
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It was a it was a language of control developed after World
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War 2 by Norbert Wiener and advanced also by by John von
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Neumann. Wiener was a disciple of Lord
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Bertrand Russell in Cambridge in when Russell was still
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publishing his famous Principia Mathematicas, which professed to
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try to basically control all knowledge of the world in a
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radically in a radical positivist manner rooted in
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certain limited axioms and postulates That he said if you
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just get enough data plugged into your basically a computer
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formula, you would be able to with those limited axioms, be
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able to linearly extrapolate into the future and past all
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possible knowledge, becoming effectively omniscient, Kind of
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like having an Oracle, an Oracle that gives us access to all
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knowledge that could ever be and ever would be and ever was with
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his formula. But he said it wasn't practical,
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it was too theoretical. And he challenged his disciples,
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of which Norbert Wiener was among the brightest, to find
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practical ways of applying this to manage human systems, which
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is always the idea or create a lens through which we can we
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could analyze the new science. The new scientists could analyze
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and interpret all systems of reality, biologic, ecologic,
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astrologic, human, sociologic, you name it.
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And so that became. Do you think do you think modern
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AI systems are being built on this model?
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It's entirely built on this model, yes.
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So Norbert Wiener and, and his work on the human use for human
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beings and, and his actual literal book Cybernetics, which
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was funded by eugenics bankrolling Josiah Macy
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foundation operations, which is what gave rise to the, the Macy
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cybernetics conferences that again, we're funding eugenics in
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Nazi Germany and Canada and the US throughout the the 20s and
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30s. That's for the 30s, that's what
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was funding cybernetics. And in his books, he's very
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clear that machines will well, first he he starts with a
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fallacy that the human mind is a form of machine that uses
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essentially computer like feedback loops to a central
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mechanism that that simply interpret plugs in data into
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patterns. Where those patterns come from,
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or what gives meaning to those patterns in his mind is
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metaphysical absurdity. Don't think too much about that
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because that gets us into the into the realm we're not
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supposed to go as as slaves. But from there he says based on
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that, that fallacy, which he says is true, that we can know
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that these primitive binary computing machines that were
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being developed by John Nash and others, you know, in in the
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World War, World War 2 that he was a part of would eventually
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become, as he says, self thinking could become self
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reproducing. And such that this approach to
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automation he said would eventually would inevitably
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deterministically render more and more human beings irrelevant
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in time. So he did completely create the
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foundations, yes, of the current AI cult that does believe that
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human beings are these ultimately inferior useless
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eaters that have to be made redundant and exterminated by
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some imaginary future singularity moment, which was,
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you know, colored by people like Julian Huxley and and Puerto de
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Chalde in the 1950s. They added some detail to this
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Omega Point or whatever you want to call it, that that gave rise
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to the language that was refined by people like Ray Kurzweil and
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others around this, you know, future imaginary moment where
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machines become self thinking and we become Skynet and we all
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we all get to die or yeah. Yeah.
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So but China seems to be taking a slightly different approach to
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to AI and they don't seem to be quite so or at least they seem
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to be putting more controls on the direction of travel that
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that they're heading in with that particular technology.
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I mean, have you got any thoughts on on on that?
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Yeah. And I'd love to get your
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thoughts on that as well. But I've noticed as well, from
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my, my standpoint, what I've observed, I've been impressed by
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China's completely different approach to educating their
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people about the nature of AI and the responsibilities that
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the people have towards their own minds in dealing with
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something like as disruptive as AI.
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And so China's like, you know, you can go to CGTN there and see
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many documentaries, many presentations where they're
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encouraging the, the reading of original texts to develop the,
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the philosophical qualities of wisdom within the minds of young
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people who will then be able to see where are the limitations of
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the AI and where are its usefulness.
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So they're they're much more considerate in providing that
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understanding. Where is in the West, there is
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no such consideration. There's only brainwashing that's
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being messaged out to convince us that there is only one
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approach to AI, which is to wait for it to render you extinct
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while you're going maybe drugs and video games to to distract
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yourself while you're getting UB universal basic income waiting
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to Peter out. You know, as a as an obsolete
22:50
machine that couldn't afford to merge with Neurolink.
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Now in China, it's a different approach.
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They've also got, because of their national paradigm, which
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or their civilizational paradigm, which is very much
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generate or driven by uninformed, a much greater
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informed set of lived experiences of the deep past
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than what we have. We've been much more cut off of
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the positive experiences of the Western society that's been
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erased from our collective memory.
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China has greater access to it. So things that happened 2000
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years are having a much more deeper and important impact in
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shaping their current strategies, especially around
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things like the revived Silk Road of the Han dynasty, which
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has become the foundation philosophically of their of
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their current foreign and internal policy of building a
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community of of common principle.
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As John Quincy Adams had had formulated this in the 1820s and
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30s, a community of principle would be the only foundation
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around which a non Hobbesian structure of humankind could
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work. Where we realize that our
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self-interest is not in weakening our neighbor, but in
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in helping our neighbor, even if they're different from us,
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become better. And in doing so, our our
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security, our power of having Better Business partners, of
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having more trustworthy neighbors will all improve.
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Which is a truthful thing that again, we used to have more
24:09
access to it in saner times in the West, but we've, we've lost
24:12
it. China, which does have a revival
24:14
of that. They have national goals that
24:18
define the behavior of their economy of their, of their
24:25
governing class. So they have things like, if you
24:27
look at recently, they built one of the, I think the third
24:29
largest dam in the world, hydroelectric dam.
24:32
We haven't built any hydroelectric dams in the West
24:34
in probably 50 years is since the 70s.
24:37
China's built I think 7 of the 11th biggest dams over the past
24:42
30 years, Seoul, China. And some are really big now.
24:45
This one that I was telling you about, the third biggest in the
24:48
world. It's massive.
24:49
It's going to improve the quality of life of so many
24:52
people, provide abundant electricity, flood controls, you
24:55
name it. Fresh water access and all sorts
24:57
of good things are happening. But almost no human beings were
25:00
involved. It was entirely organized by
25:02
automation of a highly organized AI managed system of, of, of
25:09
machines working. And you had very, you had some,
25:12
but very, very, very little human input, but that was
25:15
machines at the service of the needs of humankind.
25:17
Because it is very dangerous. You don't want to necessarily
25:19
put people if you don't have to through that type of hostile
25:22
environment working on dams. It's very dangerous.
25:24
Again, very arduous. That in my mind is a very good
25:27
use of AI. But if we don't have, if we
25:30
don't have a society that has any big visions, big missions
25:34
that define our, our next generations, better living
25:37
standards, which we don't have, then AI will increasingly just
25:40
be used to pacify, entertain, distracting and control.
25:43
As I think our, our static society that's been floating on
25:48
too many years of consumerism as a drug have allowed ourselves to
25:52
sort of we, we lost that idea of, of John F Kennedy's think
25:55
about the next generation, think about the next 5 generations,
25:57
which China still has very strong access to it to the
25:59
degree that you do. I think all of those dual use
26:02
technologies, as AI is one of them, include the atom and
26:06
atomic power being another one would be typically used to
26:09
service that future goal. If you don't have that, then
26:13
these things will be used typically for more destructive
26:15
events. Let's just just, this might be a
26:19
little bit diversionary, but let's just talk a little bit
26:21
about, about the Western, the Western view of AI.
26:25
And the way I'm saying this, I'd be interested in your in whether
26:30
you think I'm even close to the mark here.
26:31
But how it seems to me is that that we during 2021-2022, during
26:39
the lockdown period, we demonstrated to people what life
26:42
would be like sitting in front of their sofas, sitting on their
26:45
sofas in front of the television, watching Netflix all
26:47
day. We paid them to be at home by
26:49
putting them on furlough schemes and so on.
26:52
And that, you know, this issue of Ubi, because you mentioned it
26:56
a second ago, has been doing the rounds for for many years and
27:00
they've been a number of pilot schemes.
27:01
And of course, the question in most people's minds was, well,
27:05
where does the money come from to pay for the universal basic
27:08
income that that is going to be handed out for free to people
27:11
while they sit and watch Netflix?
27:13
And of course, the answer to that is clear now it's going to
27:15
come from AI and robotics doing the productive work, the the,
27:19
the financial, the money generating part of the work
27:24
which which humans used to do, but humans will no longer be
27:27
doing. And therefore it's no problem
27:29
just to hand them a bung to, to sit in front of the television.
27:34
But of course that, that, that life, that vision of, of what
27:42
society is going to be like in the future seems to be one that
27:45
that, you know, the, the, the billionaire class, the AI
27:49
billionaire class gets very excited about.
27:53
But, and maybe maybe some people that, that are finding that the
27:58
jobs that they are forced to do in the West are not that
28:02
appealing. Maybe that idea appeals to them
28:04
as well. But of course, what it, what it
28:06
absolutely does is put the, put the top on, put the, the, the,
28:11
the icing on the cake of the, the sort of panopticon idea
28:16
that, that, that our, the British home secretary is so
28:19
keen to implement at the moment. It's, it's, it is the, the final
28:22
level of control. Because of course, if you don't
28:25
behave yourself in the right way, then your universal basic
28:29
income is taken away and there's no real economy of any kind for
28:34
you to take part in which would allow you to even eat.
28:37
Um, so, so this, this, uh, for, as I see this developing over
28:43
the next, I mean, actually, I think it's going to develop
28:45
very, very quickly now. Uh, it's a pretty dark looking
28:50
future for people if, if we don't, if we don't recognize
28:54
what is actually going on and, and consider how we might, you
28:59
know, skirt around this vision that clearly Musk and others
29:04
have. So, So what do you think?
29:07
I mean, am I far off the mark with that that assessment?
29:11
No, no, you, I don't think you're far off the mark at all.
29:14
Unfortunately, I think that's much much of what is desired.
29:21
You know, I started today's chat by just encouraging people to
29:25
take a step back and to think sometimes as you would one of
29:28
these sociopathic oligarch types who see themselves God like game
29:32
masters. And I think that when you do
29:34
that, there's a lot we can, we can work with as far as things
29:39
that people think. Oh, but what happened in the
29:41
1930s is so disconnected in time from what we're living in today.
29:44
There's nothing I can, I just mentioned that China's
29:46
experiences from 2000 years ago are having a direct influence in
29:50
shaping their strategies in shaping the, the Belton Rd.
29:53
initiative, the new Silk Road today for a good way.
29:56
That's like a healthy version of learning from the past and how
29:58
the past affects the future, which I mean, again, we're
30:01
shaping the future in the present.
30:02
But inversely as well, bad toxic ideas.
30:06
You know, we mentioned feudalism is always the ambition or the
30:09
restoration of some form or a variation of.
30:11
Feudalism is one of the constants amongst all
30:16
oligarchically managed societies that believe that human beings
30:20
are simply another variation of, of wildlife to be found.
30:25
You know, if we don't differentiate the qualitative
30:27
transcendental nature of the human, you know, the, the human
30:30
versus, let's say the wolf or the, the cow.
30:33
If we don't make that differentiation because there's
30:35
similarities DNA wise. And, and you know, we all poop
30:38
and breathe and eat food and have sex.
30:40
And so we're all the same if, if we if we just and there then the
30:44
consequence of how we choose to organize that type of
30:46
bestialized society will involve some form of alpha wolves
30:50
controlling the beta wolves and Omega wolves as subspecies, as
30:53
feudal Lords do thinking of themselves as hereditarily
30:56
superior masters to inferior born slave families.
31:00
And so whatever the spin might be, it'll always be the same
31:02
kind of effect. Keeping slaves dumb, pacified,
31:05
distracted, maybe in a state of terror if possible, if not, at
31:09
least placate them by giving them an overabundance of
31:12
stimulation that's hedonistic, that disrupts their ability to
31:15
think about well, what freedom is or what's being lost.
31:18
So that sort of thing is always in today's world.
31:20
It's just applying a bit. It's adding to the ancient
31:22
formula with a bit more technology, you know, it's
31:25
coloring. But in the 1930s, as you
31:26
mentioned, Elon Musk, his father or his grandfather, Joshua
31:30
Haldeman, I think was part of something which is having a, it
31:34
didn't disappear, let's say that after World War 2 and that thing
31:37
that Joshua Haldeman, Elon Musk's grandfather was involved
31:40
with was Technocracy Incorporated.
31:43
And anybody looking at the the maps of the Technocracy
31:47
Incorporated, which was an organization set up in 1932 to
31:50
solve the Great Depression by this guy, Howard Scott.
31:54
And the idea of this was to simply say, let's get rid of the
31:57
elected class. Let's get rid of the capitalism.
32:00
It's just corrupt by it, by its nature.
32:02
And let's create a Society of of engineers from the top managing
32:07
a regional techniques with the North American technique being
32:11
part of their study guide. That was sort of the Bible of
32:14
the of the Technocracy Incorporated movement, which
32:17
again Elon Musk's grandfather LED in Canada.
32:20
He was the the regional director of Canada for that that
32:23
movement. It was quite influential.
32:25
They had 500,500 thousand members in in California alone.
32:29
It was quite big and been getting popular with the despair
32:31
people were were feeling and suffering from the Great
32:34
Depression. And part of what they wanted was
32:37
essentially a program of Ubi energy credits that would be
32:43
premised around the notion that you could calculate all
32:46
consumable goods and the energy associated with all consumable
32:49
goods and how many people there are consuming those goods, which
32:53
will be subdivided mathematically to provide
32:55
credits for the course of the lifespans of those people.
33:00
Now, what determines the lifespans of those people?
33:02
And you know that that's up for question because this
33:04
organization was also full of eugenicists who promoted the
33:07
idea that human beings were just, were just a form of
33:09
machine. And like machines that can get
33:11
rusting obsolete, so too can humans that you should put in
33:14
the, in the dumpster when they're too old.
33:15
So in But all that to say they, they sold themselves as a
33:19
pacifist, you know, the absolutely pacifist
33:22
organization, yet at the same time not so genuine because if
33:26
you're, if your borders are going to expand to Greenland,
33:28
Canada, Mexico, all of most of Latin America, Venezuela,
33:33
Panama, Nicaragua would have most of Colombia, if that, if
33:36
that's really what you see, your jurisdiction, those countries
33:38
are probably not going to just lay down and do it peacefully.
33:41
So your pacifist, you know, things are probably a lie.
33:44
That being said, they didn't have the computing power
33:47
available in those days to properly take the data or use
33:51
calculate the type of data they wanted to.
33:54
And so it kind of was left in a in a too ambiguous realm and
33:58
couldn't quite get the type of hole that Joshua Haldeman and
34:02
others wanted. By the way, the guy who who
34:06
actually shake this was a fellow by the name of Thorstein the
34:10
Blen, who was a. Well, I actually, I was sorry
34:15
you'll go on with that in a second, but but I was just going
34:17
to ask, are there, are there parallels to the shape of things
34:19
to come actually? Yes, yes.
34:23
And you know, this is where it gets very interesting because in
34:27
HG Wells even said it doesn't matter if we move through
34:29
socialism or through capitalism, we can get to world government
34:33
in either direction. And HG Wells was a leading
34:38
Fabian Society, Fabian Society thinkers, as people know of big
34:42
eugenicists and was also somebody who was sort of a
34:47
partner, an intellectual partner, dance partners in so
34:50
many ways with both Julian Huxley as well as Bertrand
34:53
Russell. They all kind of danced together
34:56
to play the game of or the he was actually the innovator of of
34:59
board games. Actually, HG Wells founded a
35:02
small wars that was the name of his his first board game in like
35:06
19 O 7. And he would basically train.
35:10
He saw this as a great way to train the young to become
35:13
potential recruits to a managerial class like he was.
35:16
Because he wasn't from a high family, he wasn't highborn, but
35:19
he knew that he had certain creative powers that were
35:22
lacking in many of those overlords that he was devoted to
35:25
serving. And and was very frustrated by
35:28
the rigidity of the old hereditary classes and was
35:30
trying to get them to loosen up a little bit and open up and
35:33
realize that they need to find ways of making the creative
35:37
process available to young people in a way that also in
35:41
awoke a sense of wolf like Hobbesian 0 sum feelings in in
35:46
young people who, by playing these games that became things
35:49
like risk and Monopoly and those the small the wars games would
35:54
would create a a a psychological framework out of which you could
35:58
more easily recruit talent that will be useful for managing the
36:02
the type of thing he lays out in his, you know, world brain and
36:07
open conspiracy programs and other things like that.
36:11
So I think additionally, what you said about the, the the the
36:16
things to come story is, is, is important because yeah, he's
36:21
talking about a Soviet of engineers, right?
36:23
That's what what invoked that, that association in your mind.
36:26
And that's a big part of of his story is that this this world
36:30
left to human devices alone naturally turns into a a plague
36:34
ridden, war ridden hellscape of dystopia.
36:37
You know, I think he actually innovates the first zombies that
36:40
that's become popular later on. He convinced that The Walking
36:44
plague or whatever and the only people to save the day are these
36:48
Masonic engineers the the the wings of the world that emerge
36:52
out of the skies to save the the the the the war ridden,
36:56
sovereign nation state ridden world by imposing a higher order
37:00
from above. Which is exactly how
37:02
Thorstenberg Blinn was thinking when he called for a mass strike
37:06
of the engineers in his program for the the Technical Alliance.
37:09
That was a a branch of the John Dewey's New School set up in
37:13
1919 as a Fabian Society outlet in in the United in New York.
37:19
This is this generally was staffed by a lot of figures who
37:22
went on to create the Council on Foreign Relations in New York.
37:27
In that same 1921 period, Walter Littman played a big role in in
37:31
New School as an outgrowth of Columbia and Thorsten Verblen.
37:35
Again, he was the the, the master mentor of so many of
37:39
these, these young disciples like Howard Scott, who and he
37:43
also worked with the workers of the world's unite to create data
37:45
sets that involves psychological profiles as well of the workers
37:50
to see what do they, what do they want?
37:51
What are they stimulated by? What are they afraid of?
37:54
What are the corruptions. So there were, it wasn't just
37:56
simply energy credit for energy data that they were accumulating
38:00
or agricultural data, though they were doing that.
38:03
They were also looking at psychological profiles for their
38:05
idea of managing human resources.
38:08
So this is what again, Jock Yuan Musk's grandfather innovates in
38:12
and advances for the Canadian outlet of this agency and and
38:17
he's arrested for being on the wrong side of World War 2
38:19
because he's clearly fascist. They're clearly promoting, you
38:23
know, something which is insurrectionary to our entire
38:27
way of life And and he has to go on.
38:30
But I, but I think that as you said, this Ubi thing, it would
38:33
only work if you completely render the current system
38:37
defunct through a controlled demolition, as we've, as we've,
38:41
we're witnessing right now. And out of that, maybe a new
38:43
mathematize type of, of digital credit could be created that
38:46
might be associated with the amount of measurable energy and
38:50
behavior in the system that people can be allocated certain
38:53
numbers and that can be reduced if they behave badly or maybe
38:57
rewarded if they do things, you know, that are that please the
39:00
elites, they might get more bonuses or whatever.
39:03
But yeah, the the very, very dangerous idea that didn't
39:07
disappear after World War 2. And I mean, what you've just
39:11
described in the, in the last couple of sentences, there was,
39:13
was, I suppose, something that we could call social credit.
39:17
But of course, there's where we could talk about Ubi.
39:20
And there's another economic policy that does the rounds,
39:25
which is also called social credit by strange coincidence,
39:28
but was designed by a guy called Douglas.
39:34
I mean, I see a lot of people pushing pushing that idea as a
39:39
potential solution to our economic woes, but but to me it
39:43
just looks like Ubi and other guys.
39:47
It is. It absolutely is.
39:49
And I've seen the same thing. It's very, there's a big
39:51
discussion around social credit in Canada because Canada is one
39:54
of the few places where it actually gained political power
39:57
in the 1930s and 40s and 50s. Actually, in British Columbia it
40:00
was the dominant political party from 1952 until 1991, except for
40:05
three years in Alberta as well for many decades.
40:09
And there's still a certain romanticization of what this is
40:12
as as as a theater, as a as a philosophy, as a system.
40:16
But sure enough, you're right when you do look at a major Ch
40:20
Douglas, who was himself a disciple of a, of a certain
40:24
cultist by the name of Alfred Richard Oraj, who was a, a high
40:30
level Theosophist, who was a Luciferian who ran a new, a
40:34
magazine actually called New Age.
40:36
He was a fading society member for a number of years.
40:39
And he's the one who actually coined, he gave the term to
40:42
Douglas social credit to define Douglas's system because Douglas
40:46
was publishing in his New Age magazine from 191919201921.
40:51
And I mean the, the mechanical view of economics published by
40:54
Douglas. He was still trying to find a
40:55
name for this, this ephemeral thing, and it was
40:58
underdeveloped. It was like an underdefined
41:00
idea, but in general form. And this is where Oraj says, I
41:03
got the word, it's social credit.
41:04
And so he gave it that label. Oraj, by the way, was also the
41:07
disciple and personal assistant to Gurgyev, another famous
41:12
occultist who people studying espionage, occult espionage and
41:16
black magic would have encountered Gurgyev's name.
41:21
Well, sorry, I don't, I don't want to interrupt your train of
41:23
thought too much, but I'd just like to go a little bit deeper
41:25
into, into Gergiev because of course, more, if anybody is
41:28
aware of him at all, it's because he produced a book
41:31
that's, that's got a quite a famous title BLC Bobby Tales to
41:35
his grandson, which if anybody's seen it is, I don't know how
41:41
anybody actually reads it, but that's that's a whole other
41:43
issue. But, but I mean, what, what,
41:45
what was his relationship to intelligence and and those kinds
41:51
of these kinds of operations? OK, for that, that's such a big
41:54
one. Let's put that as a focus for
42:01
the time because I this is an important idea of the social
42:03
credit thing. I don't want to and we don't
42:05
have a limited amount of time ahead of us here.
42:08
So basically what Douglas did is he serving this network around
42:16
Araj. So Araj breaks away from the
42:18
Fabians. This is you need to, people need
42:20
to know this. If they want to understand
42:21
social credit in 1919 that emerged in 1920, they need to
42:24
know what happened in 1912. Why do Araj break with the
42:27
Fabians? Because he didn't break by
42:29
himself. He there was a controlled sort
42:31
of diffurcation or or splitting off.
42:33
That's what these occult agencies always seem to do is
42:35
they break off in these little disputes like a hydro with many
42:39
heads to create these controlled dialectics.
42:41
They always create not in ones but in twos.
42:43
So they create a left hand and a right hand controlled dialectic
42:45
and then they get people to get gravitationally pulled into the
42:49
debate of do you want Fabian socialism, top downstate run
42:53
controls that completely don't care about really human free
42:58
will and personal agencies so much like that's all sacrificial
43:01
to the greater collective concepts.
43:04
Or do you want some form of bottom up spin on proto
43:10
libertarianism where only the individual matters and not
43:13
really the collective? That's an absurd, ephemeral
43:16
idea, but it's all about the individual.
43:18
Now, in the case of of Oraja's network that Douglas was a part
43:23
of, what they did after he split from Fabian, Fabianism is he
43:26
started promoting something called guilt socialism, the idea
43:29
of devolving power to local communes.
43:32
And in Douglas's writings and his many speeches, he makes the
43:35
point that not only should in an in an abstract sense, power be
43:40
devolved from the nation state, which he doesn't even believe
43:42
should exist, is he says nation states actually don't play,
43:45
should not be tolerated because they're outlets of corruption in
43:49
control. We should devolve power as well
43:52
as in we should. He he says that and I've got a
43:55
big quote from him describing how industrial civilization
43:59
itself is a corrupt aberration and that we should go back to
44:04
energy intensive forms of artisanry.
44:06
So, you know, you could see clearly the, the, the fault or
44:10
the, the thoughts of people like John Ruskin and William Morris,
44:14
who are sort of the the founders of this Guild, socialist, pre
44:17
Raphaelites romanticization of medievalism, pre pre nation
44:21
state medievalism, pre Renaissance medievalism, which
44:23
is influencing orage it's influencing Ruskin and Morris
44:27
are everywhere here. So they're creating this idea
44:29
that, OK, if we just had these beautiful little utopian
44:31
communes without advanced technology, then we would all
44:36
have liberty and freedom and, and we would have progress and
44:38
abundance. And naturally, you know, again,
44:41
it gets very, very, it's like magical thinking that people
44:46
will just organize and self organize systems and then
44:49
progress will happen. Corruption will disappear and
44:52
we'll have this future. That's great.
44:55
But planning is bad in any any type of role of a nation
44:59
planning something for the future, as China is doing now
45:02
with the Bri or as the US had done under JFK or FDR or
45:05
whatever, or Lincoln, that's bad.
45:07
That should be eliminated. And so, yeah, he was marketing
45:11
his stuff actually, just like he, like Kings, was actually
45:14
propping them up. So John Maynard Kings, another
45:16
Fabian who is all about top down planning, was actually propping
45:19
up Douglas by setting him in his general theory.
45:23
Both Kings and Douglas were writing letters to the Nazi high
45:27
command to Hitler directly, which is all available.
45:30
Both Kings and Douglas marketing their systems to the Nazis,
45:35
making the point that the Nazi type of governing governing
45:38
system is ideal for each one. Now the problem is the irony is
45:42
that each one appears to be opposing.
45:44
One seems to all be about bottom up emergent self organization.
45:48
The other one's all about top down national planning.
45:50
But they're working together. It's a controlled dialectic and
45:53
they're they both correctly identify that their systems and
45:56
and it actually wasn't a letter by kings, by the way.
45:59
It was his preface in his German edition of the 1936 general
46:03
theory. For those who might want to say
46:04
he never wrote a letter. He wrote the general theory, the
46:06
preface. And he says it's it's in
46:08
Hitler's Germany that you'd find the best application for my
46:11
system under it doesn't work under under democracy.
46:16
So, you know, you got this thing in the fact that Joshua Haldeman
46:18
is moving from Technocracy Inc, which he's running for until
46:22
he's arrested in 1940 and it's made illegal because now we're
46:25
in World War 2. He immediately goes on to become
46:28
the head of the Social Credit Party of Canada or of
46:31
Saskatchewan. Sorry.
46:33
And he does that from 1943 up until 1949, he's running for
46:36
office and he's pushing social credit, which you would think is
46:39
the opposite of what he was pushing with Technocracy in Core
46:42
earlier when he was working for three years as the head of the
46:45
Fabian Society of Canada, which is what he did from 1933 until
46:49
1936 is Joshua Haldeman was the head and founder of the Fabian
46:53
Society of Saskatchewan, which meant he was directly receiving
46:57
orders or at least working with five Rd. scholars who were the
47:01
founders of the Fabian Society, many of whom were pushing
47:04
eugenics anyway. And the replacement of
47:07
capitalism and democracy by a a managerial class of elites.
47:10
That's what the Fabian Society wants and always wanted.
47:13
And their Canadian branch became known as the Cooperative
47:16
Commonwealth Federation. That would that became known as
47:18
the NDP today the the Orange Party, which is the middle
47:20
party. And it merged in the in the 60s
47:22
with the Liberals. So they pretty much became one
47:25
thing, and I mean, I say merge, they still exist, but pretty
47:30
much all of the purely Trudeau was an NDP technocrat and he
47:35
basically went with all of his fellow NDP technocrats and
47:38
became Liberals to gain political power.
47:41
So I'm saying that, you know, they didn't merge officially,
47:43
but they merged in essence. And that's what Joshua Haldeman.
47:47
So he has these three phases in his Canadian political career,
47:50
all of which seem different in different ways, but they're
47:53
actually identically driven by the same agenda of of maximizing
47:59
the illusion of personal liberty from the bottom up perspective,
48:02
but maximizing the reality of top down controls by a world
48:06
governing class. Which is why also I'll just say
48:09
this beef. Even globalist eugenicist like
48:13
Bertrand Russell also is a self professed anarcho syndicalist
48:18
who says that that's the best form of organizing society at
48:21
the same time as he's proposing and fighting for one world
48:25
government under a managerial class.
48:28
As is Elon Musk, who actually wrote a tweet two years ago
48:32
saying anarcho symbolism for the win as at the same time in the
48:36
same day that he was calling for a Martian technique.
48:39
So you've got the same language, the same naming protocols as
48:42
well by Elon and company who are all transhumanists.
48:45
They think in the same terms as those I was just referring to as
48:49
far as human beings being machines to be merged with other
48:52
machines. If they want to stay relevant
48:53
because we're inferior biological machines.
48:56
They, they promote the idea of drugs and video games to
48:58
distract the useless eaters will be made irrelevant.
49:01
And you know, Peter Thiel, Elon, who were incubated in South
49:05
Africa where, where Joshua Haldeman went in 1949 when he
49:09
got too exasperated by the lack of, of acceptance of his
49:13
doctrines. He went to the freest place on
49:14
in the world and began promoting.
49:18
He became essentially a promoter and a publisher of
49:24
conspiratorial anti Jewish narratives of, you know,
49:27
republishing the Protocols of Zion, which is what Douglas
49:30
Major. Douglas was also promoting with
49:31
ARAJ as well as the Canadian Social Credit Party, which was
49:35
the only party to impose eugenics as well and support
49:39
eugenics and sterilization of the unfit, especially natives.
49:42
But across the board in Canada in the 1940s, fifties onward,
49:48
they were also promoting, They were the own political party,
49:50
promoting and publishing the Protocols of Zion that are
49:53
provable forgeries cooked up by the Theosophists themselves, you
49:57
know, decades earlier. And that's what Elon Musk's
49:59
grandfather is also citing and promoting in South Africa, which
50:03
is he's arriving at the beginning of apartheid, which I
50:07
mean, I don't have to, I hope I don't have to say anything to
50:09
the audience about why that was a bad idea.
50:12
But that's where Elon and Peter Feel are incubated and are grown
50:16
out of this sort of like Nazi utopian environments of
50:21
districts and, you know, identity cards that give people
50:25
mobility rights or don't in South Africa.
50:28
That was what was done under a very, very, I, I would say that
50:32
there's probably a lot of unreconstructed Nazi controllers
50:35
who are probably active managing that shit show that inspired
50:39
Elon's grandfather and father and and probably himself to a
50:42
certain degree, I would say. Yes, wow.
50:45
Where do we go from there? So so.
50:47
I could say, I mean, I could say more, but I, I, I think like,
50:51
but here's the thing, right? Like a lot of people, they,
50:53
they, they want to believe so badly that they want to believe
51:00
so badly that Elon is this great genius that I mean, Tesla, you
51:03
know, you can even say, say a word about that too, right?
51:05
Like the fact that Tesla was also in New York in five star
51:08
hotels in the 1920s. Tesla's also on record calling
51:13
for a global system run by eugenicists and, and, and he
51:16
he's on record in interviews with Hitler's principal
51:20
Lieutenant in America, George Sylvester Berake, in 1933.
51:24
But but this can't be right because being Tesla, Tesla is
51:27
held up by by freedom advocates as, as being the man who's who's
51:31
fantastic inventions would have changed the world.
51:34
And he's, he's suppressed by the by the globalists, right?
51:38
It's a magic tricks people are getting do play a magic trick.
51:44
But yeah, no, it's actually a you know, it's a big part of my
51:46
book on Rosicrucian golem here. But.
51:49
And I tell a lot of the story about the interfacing of Tesla
51:52
and these technocrats and eugenicists as as part of a Big
51:56
Magic trick that is transgenerational in its
51:59
effects. The idea was not to necessarily
52:01
act upon the world that they were acting on, but to create a
52:03
narrative foundation that would obscure the source of real
52:07
discoveries that were attributed.
52:09
Misattributed to a Tesla as a cardboard synthetic sort of self
52:13
identified human atom ton. He didn't believe he had a soul.
52:16
He didn't believe that souls existed.
52:18
He believed that he was a machine that had been endowed by
52:23
special clairvoyant powers to see see things from the beyond.
52:28
So he had a a sort of mystical self identity that made him
52:31
perfectly pliable. And because he was very much
52:33
full of himself too, As was people like Isaac Newton and
52:36
other Rosicrucian affiliated pseudo scientists were marketed
52:39
to the world as being the great sources of the discoveries that
52:42
were actually made by real. The real engineers and
52:45
scientists who were being creative, but whose ideas had to
52:49
be stolen and repackaged and attributed to somebody right.
52:52
In this case, it was Tesla. For most of his ideas, you could
52:55
find them actually sourced by other other greater minds than
52:58
he. But he had handlers.
52:59
He had managers. I mentioned here, George
53:01
Sylvester V Rake is as the guy who went to jail because he was
53:04
Hitler's top Lieutenant in America, working to spread Nazi
53:09
propaganda all across the United States with senators in Congress
53:12
that he was that were on his payroll.
53:15
And this is the guy who Tesla practically lived with and wrote
53:18
poems, weird, weird poems in homage to the greatness of the
53:22
Rake. The Rake is one of the first
53:24
people, if you read his writings in 1933, like exposing the
53:28
Federal Reserve, he sounds like Alex Jones.
53:30
He sounds like a type of Eustis Mullins conspiratorial Expo like
53:37
narratives that we here tend to encounter.
53:42
But the reason why is Eustis Mullins was the disciple of the
53:44
Rake. The Rake himself was a disciple
53:46
of of Crowley. They were doing black magic
53:48
rituals in Long Island together openly and there's books that
53:53
have been written about their association.
53:55
So you got 1° of separation between Aleister Crowley, a
53:58
British agent, a British secret agent 666 in America organizing
54:02
to pull the USA into World War One.
54:04
He's still at it in World War 2, building up a whole network of a
54:07
cult black magicians pushing fascism, which is also at the
54:11
heart of fascism in in Nazi Germany is a a black magician
54:14
class of Thula society, new template freaks trying to invoke
54:17
demons and usher in an age of Horus or an age of whatever Odin
54:22
for 1000 year millennial height. So you got these same networks
54:25
everywhere overlapping each other and you've got these
54:28
things like the blue shirts of Adrian Arkon working with the
54:30
social credit party, the so credit party.
54:32
Sorry, I'm just spewing out stuff here.
54:34
But anyway, the social credit party, they are the green
54:38
shirts. They actually have Braves and
54:39
they have a whole, you know, fascist inspired uniform system
54:42
called the green shirts. They're working with the Adrian
54:44
Arkon blue shirts. They're sometimes at battle with
54:47
the black shirts of Oswald Mosley, but they're they're all
54:51
kind of like the the the the Technocracy Inc or the grey
54:54
shirts. They actually, well.
54:55
Well, but but look, the grandson of Oswald mostly is currently
55:00
head of Palantir UK. So again, we've got the
55:02
connections back into the technocracy once again.
55:05
So these, these people never stray far from the, you know,
55:09
they're never too far away, are they?
55:12
They're never too far away. They like keeping this in the
55:14
family. And I, I think you mentioned to
55:15
me the other day that you got the MI 6 director as well, whose
55:19
grandfather had some peculiar relationships in, in Ukraine in
55:23
the, in the World War Two period too, right?
55:25
Absolutely, absolutely. So we never have to go too far.
55:28
Look, look, you said you, you were just viewing stuff out
55:31
there. But actually this stuff is
55:33
really important to understand because because we are in a in a
55:37
world where we have these types of networks apparently at each
55:42
other's throats on steroids. And you know, how are we to just
55:47
to conclude this for today, because this this conversation
55:50
needs to continue. But how, how, how, how do people
55:55
decipher or get a picture of, of modern events, of current events
56:00
and, and the, the types of people that are, you know,
56:02
appearing to be at each other's throats when in fact they're
56:05
working ultimately to the same agenda.
56:07
How? How are people supposed to
56:09
interpret what they're saying in front of them?
56:14
I mean, I mean, I think if they're watching this show,
56:16
they're already in a, in a pretty good place as far as
56:18
progress to wrap their minds around things that they've been
56:21
told are unthinkable. No, we, we have to go to the the
56:25
places that were being told are forbidden in this realm.
56:28
So that's a good start. I, I think that what I've, what
56:31
I've tried to do with my wife Cynthia is make a lot of these
56:36
seemingly complex, but actually not super complex ideas as
56:39
intelligible as possible through our books that we've published
56:44
the, you know, we've done the The Clash of the two Americas
56:47
book series. It's 4 volumes, The Untold
56:49
History of Canada. I, I wrote that over the course
56:51
of a decade. That's 4 volumes of
56:53
reconstructions of Canadian history.
56:55
They're all short too. They're not too long.
56:57
And you know, our science and shackled books are Revenge of
56:59
the mystery books, mystery cults, Cynthia's books on the
57:02
Black Sun. Any one of these could be a good
57:04
entry point to begin. I I would not to toot my own
57:06
horn. I I just think that that's why
57:08
we did them. So you're you're asking?
57:09
You're you're welcome to toot your own horn.
57:11
I mean this is you know, this all helps.
57:16
I, I just, yeah, I feel sometimes it's, it's maybe a bit
57:19
presumptuous of me, but but I, you know, I, we also do a lot of
57:22
documentaries and I, I think the thing to focus on is where did
57:26
the oligarchy fail? Because the way a lot of the
57:31
conspiratorial research is framed that is available and has
57:34
become very popular, especially in the post COVID age, is to map
57:40
out all of the all of the ways the oligarchy has gained power,
57:45
enjoyed forever. Power has been evil doing evil.
57:48
But there's very little focus on the times and moments in history
57:52
where they've failed to succeed what they want to do.
57:56
And I think that that for me has been one of the most important
58:00
attitudes that I, I adopted early on is to obsessively try
58:04
to focus on like discover where are those moments where the
58:07
oligarchy tried to do something and we're prevented, we're
58:10
blocked, we're, we're flanked by, by human beings thinking
58:13
like human beings on a much higher creative.
58:15
And I, I think a level of natural law that's in, in tune
58:18
with God's law. I mentioned that the, the
58:22
Chinese flank of the Han dynasty's invocation or not
58:25
invocation, their, their creation of the new of the Silk
58:28
Road of 2000 years ago was one of these fantastic ways of
58:31
breaking free of its system of controls by a high priesthood
58:35
that wants to keep people fighting and divided in and in
58:37
ignorance. That was a great way of doing
58:39
it. And it lasted for a while, but
58:41
it was sabotaged eventually. There's different moments in
58:44
history where I've tried to sort of 0 in and shed light on where
58:48
did the the Crusades, which were supposed to have begun 200 years
58:53
earlier than they did? How were they?
58:55
How? How did greater greater minds,
58:58
more dignified minds like those allies of Charlemagne and Al
59:02
Quinn, who are part of the Carolingian world, work with
59:05
their Muslim counterparts to create alliances and to create
59:09
sharing of information with Jewish networks and Chinese
59:13
networks as well. From the Tang dynasty, who were
59:16
all able to collaborate to work together to create an idea that
59:19
our self-interest and our destiny is much more in harmony
59:23
than than at discord. And it's all tied to creating,
59:27
you know, Renaissance movements. And so these things that gave
59:30
rise to the American Revolution, the best of what Lincoln did,
59:33
the the best of what we saw in the in, in why, why did Hitler
59:36
lose World War 2 when all of these bankers were funding him
59:39
and all of these occultists were backing his movement?
59:42
Why did that not succeed when it was supposed to?
59:44
Why did they abort that? So these types of that way of
59:47
thinking I think is just more valuable than simply mapping out
59:50
the evil alone. But it gives your people the
59:53
strength to see, well, where are the weak kinks in this very
59:58
intimidating looking armor of this parasitical ancient evil?
1:00:02
So there are weaknesses. There are there are insecurities
1:00:04
that it has that I think are being acted upon in an authentic
1:00:08
manner. By, you know, many, many of
1:00:11
those leading policy right now in China especially, but many of
1:00:14
its allies are doing things that might be flawed.
1:00:17
It's not the same. We didn't even talk about how
1:00:19
the social credit is different from that social credit, which
1:00:22
maybe that could be a future. Chat we yeah, we need to do that
1:00:25
too. Yeah, absolutely.
1:00:26
Yeah. But all I have to say, it's like
1:00:29
this is the sort of thing that I think would empower people to
1:00:31
understand, like what are the, the, the practicable options
1:00:34
available, even if they are unlikely.
1:00:36
Because we've wasted time, decades have been wasted in
1:00:40
letting ourselves mentally and morally and physically entropy
1:00:43
as as human, Western human civilization.
1:00:45
We do that to ourselves. We allow that at least.
1:00:47
I mean, you can say the oligarchy did it to us, but we
1:00:49
allowed it as well. It happened with our consent.
1:00:52
So, you know, it's more difficult than it would have
1:00:54
been maybe when, you know, Bobby Kennedy was alive 60 years ago.
1:00:58
But it's still practicable. We see that China has given us
1:01:01
something to work with as far as a way of thinking about global
1:01:07
self-interest and avoiding avoiding wars and what have you.
1:01:10
But we have to just, I think, get over our prejudices, be be
1:01:13
more courageous in terms of thinking about what, what, what
1:01:18
type of, of thoughts were capable of lifting like a gym.
1:01:22
You know, we, we tend to want to stick with the easy thoughts
1:01:25
that are, that are lighter, but those are actually useless and,
1:01:28
and you know, in, in the long run going to kill us.
1:01:31
And I think we have to just allow ourselves to, to, to press
1:01:33
on the unknown a little bit more with more confidence in
1:01:35
ourselves that we, that we understand that we can make the
1:01:38
discoveries by leaning into the unknown and, and, and building
1:01:42
on discovery after discovery to have real knowledge instead of
1:01:45
something we've memorized from a persuasive influencer that we're
1:01:48
listening to that gives us things we write down.
1:01:50
But it's not really a power of changing things.
1:01:52
It's power more of just knowing how screwed we are, which is
1:01:55
often what, what often, you know, we see in the in the echo
1:01:57
chambers of the Internet these days too, you know?
1:01:59
So that's my words of words of wisdom, as I, as I hope they
1:02:03
are. OK, well, Matt, let's, let's
1:02:05
leave it there because that's a great place to, to end for
1:02:07
today. We've clearly got 22 programmes
1:02:09
more to do at the very least the the social credit versus social
1:02:13
credit conversation and also Gurdjieff because, because
1:02:16
Gurdjieff, I think I'd I'd like to just to know a lot more
1:02:20
about. And so we'll, we'll do that in
1:02:22
the not too distant future. So look, thank you very much for
1:02:25
joining us today and we'll keep you posted on, on any responses.
1:02:30
There'll be information about how to find Matt's work in the
1:02:34
show notes, of course, to do support if possible.
1:02:38
And thanks everyone for watching.
1:02:39
We'll be see you next time. Bye bye.