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Mimosas & Mayhem at the Stanley Hotel · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Rainy Day rabbit Holes Podcast. Your escape
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  Speaker 1: from the mundane.
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  Speaker 2: Dive into the rich history of the Pacific Northwest with us,
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  Speaker 2: and let your mind wander down the rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: Because in the Northwest it's always raining something weird.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Shay and I'm Jody. Let's fall down the rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a journey. I want you to imagine that
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  Speaker 1: you are perched on the back of a giant golden eagle.
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  Speaker 1: It's smooth feathers gleaming in the sunlight as you soar
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  Speaker 1: high above the majestic rocky mountains. The rugged peaks stretch
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  Speaker 1: out beneath you. There's snow capped summits glistening in the sunlight.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 1: The dense forests and pristine lakes create a breath taking
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  Speaker 1: tapestry of natural beauty. A serene wilderness that seems untouched
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  Speaker 1: by time, the ancestral home of the ute and a
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  Speaker 1: rapa hoe peoples. Amidst this stunning landscape, nestled in a
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  Speaker 1: lush valley, you spot a gleaming white building standing sentinel
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  Speaker 1: above the small town of Estes Park, Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: I forgot to mention we're in Colorado.
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  Speaker 1: I actually don't think I said the word Colorado and
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  Speaker 1: this entire story, you guess were as far because we
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  Speaker 1: are not going to tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I love that view you gave me, because you know
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  Speaker 2: what's funny is I often think what would it be
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  Speaker 2: like to be an eagle and have that view? So
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  Speaker 2: when you took me on the journey, I was like
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  Speaker 2: I was there with you, because I do it all
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  Speaker 2: the time anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It's grand colonial architecture, with its red roof and white facade,
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  Speaker 1: contrasts strikingly against the backdrop of the towering mountains. As
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  Speaker 1: your majestic ride sets you down gently on the pristine
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  Speaker 1: emerald green lawns that rolled gently down from the grand
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  Speaker 1: front porch, you stand in awe of this phenomenal structure.
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  Speaker 1: You begin to walk up the wide walkway, past the
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  Speaker 1: waist high hedge maze, up the front porch stairs, framed
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  Speaker 1: by austere white columns, and into the grand lobby. There
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  Speaker 1: you were greeted by rich, warm woodwork, a lavish carpet, and.
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  Speaker 2: Strangely, a car. A car.
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  Speaker 1: This nineteen ten Stanley steam car was at one time
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  Speaker 1: the fastest automobile in the world. With a mind blowing
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  Speaker 1: for the time top speed of one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven miles per hour.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa steam car like out of like a train kind
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  Speaker 2: of technology? Right? That? What did it look like? Was
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  Speaker 2: it a Sedayan? Was it?
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  Speaker 1: So? It was very similar to what you would see
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  Speaker 1: like a model te oh okay, but it had a
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  Speaker 1: steam powered engine and so it burnt gasoline that basically
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  Speaker 1: like fired a boiler.
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  Speaker 2: That was the ending. Okay, so you did still need gasoline?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah? And walk yeah? Okay, very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: This gleaming remnant of the progressive era was the brainchild
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  Speaker 1: of American inventor and entrepreneur Freelan Oscar Stanley, known as f. O. Stanley,
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  Speaker 1: who spent the end of the eighteen hundreds putting his
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  Speaker 1: name on multiple inventions like photographic plates and one of
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  Speaker 1: the first steam powered motor cars in eighteen ninety seven.
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  Speaker 2: What about Stanley steamers? Is that where this comes from? Yes?
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  Speaker 2: The cleaners for real? Yes, I jumped ahead, look at me.
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  Speaker 1: This is what put FO Stanley on the map. And
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  Speaker 1: he even at one time gave President McKinley a tour
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  Speaker 1: of Washington, DC in one of his Stanley steam cars,
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  Speaker 1: the first time a sitting US President had ridden in
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  Speaker 1: a car. What yep, for real? It was in a
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  Speaker 1: steam car.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, so cool. Stanley steamcar. Stanley steamcar.
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  Speaker 1: Stanley was respected and rich, with an adventurous and supportive wife, Flora.
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  Speaker 1: He was on top of the world. However, because life
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  Speaker 1: is an all candy and rides in a steam car, No,
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  Speaker 1: it's not. Their life took a terrible turn in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: oh three. Stanley, who had struggled with symptoms of tuberculosis
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  Speaker 1: for years, had a terrible resurgence of the disease. Sick
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  Speaker 1: and dying, he decided to die in paradise. He and
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  Speaker 1: Flora packed up some belongings and headed out to spend
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  Speaker 1: his last days in Esses Park, Colorado, surrounded by the
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  Speaker 1: vast and mysterious rocky mountains.
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  Speaker 2: It's gorgeous. Oh, it's gorgeous. It's breathtaking. Heartbreakings, it makes
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  Speaker 2: you small. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Flora went ahead of her husband by train and stagecoach
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that the summer cabin was ready for
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  Speaker 1: her sick love, and when Stanley arrived, he weighed only
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and eighteen pounds. His doctors gave him three
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  Speaker 1: to six months to live. His doctor promised to visit
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  Speaker 1: him in September, in all likelihood to take his lifeless
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  Speaker 1: corpse back to Massachusetts. But to the doctor's great surprise,
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  Speaker 1: when he came for the corpse, he found it happy,
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  Speaker 1: healthy and hiking five miles per day.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, So Estes Park is the cure to tuberculos.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely apparently. F O.
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  Speaker 1: Stanley decided that summers and the Rockies were the best
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  Speaker 1: thing for his health, so he and Flora set out
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  Speaker 1: to build a home worthy of their status. First they
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  Speaker 1: built a grand home, and then they decided they wanted
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  Speaker 1: to entertain their friends, so they purchased a plot of land.
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  Speaker 1: This is my favorite part from the fourth Earl of
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  Speaker 1: Dunraven and Mount Earl, an Irish nobleman who had you'll
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  Speaker 1: love this claimed fifteen thousand acres of the Estes Valley
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  Speaker 1: under the Homestead Act of eighteen sixty two.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Wait, he wasn't the railroad. He was
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  Speaker 2: an Irish nobleman, right, I thought the railroad had to
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  Speaker 2: do that. He'd be part of this. But no, you
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  Speaker 2: can land fraud anywhere. He had intended to turn.
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  Speaker 1: It into a private hunting reserve, but it was pretty
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  Speaker 1: unpopular with the local settlers.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine just taking yourself from today where it's
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  Speaker 2: almost impossible to buy yourself just a rambler on a dhhortenome, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: a lot. No, those are expensive, like I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and back in that day, you're like, here's fifteen hinder
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  Speaker 2: eggers of the most prestigious beautiful well he was the
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  Speaker 2: fourth Earl of Dunraven and Mount Earle. I mean he's
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  Speaker 2: special exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So, after two years of construction, the Stanley Hotel opened
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  Speaker 1: its glittering yellow doors to adventure seekers in nineteen oh nine.
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  Speaker 1: The first guests to arrive in the Mountain Wilderness in
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  Speaker 1: their Stanley steam cars were astonished at what they found.
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  Speaker 1: Expecting a rustic log lodge, they instead found a gleaming
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  Speaker 1: colonial revival gem painted in yellow ochre with white trim,
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  Speaker 1: with Tuscan columns, oval ochre, yellow ochre yeap oval oxye
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  Speaker 1: windows and elaborately turned balusters. Upon opening in nineteen oh nine,
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  Speaker 1: the hotel was alleged to be one of the first
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  Speaker 1: in the country to be fully electrified, although many of
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  Speaker 1: the pictures were dual powered with electricity or gas in
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  Speaker 1: case of a power outage, To power the hotel, Stanley
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  Speaker 1: built the Fall River hydroplant, which brought electricity to the
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  Speaker 1: town of Estes Park for the first time. Every room
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  Speaker 1: had a telephone, and each pair of rooms shared a
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  Speaker 1: bathroom with running water. WHOA, this is luxury absolutely. I
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  Speaker 1: mean even today.
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  Speaker 2: Going in a remote areas you can have to often
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  Speaker 2: share a bathroom or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, all the mcminimons you still share a bathroom
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  Speaker 1: like this place was high and to start. The hotel
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  Speaker 1: was reported to have cost five hundred thousand dollars to
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  Speaker 1: construct a little over seventeen millions a day. Okay, that's
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  Speaker 1: huge h nineteen oh nine. That's a ton of money.
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  Speaker 1: As the nearest train depot was around twenty miles away
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  Speaker 1: in Lions, Stanley had his company produce a fleet of
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  Speaker 1: specially designed steam powered automobiles called Mountain wagons that could
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  Speaker 1: seat twelve passengers at a time to bring his guests
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  Speaker 1: to the hotel. He also built the road from Lyons
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  Speaker 1: to estes Park.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: The Stanley Hotel was only open during summer months, with
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  Speaker 1: a caretaker in residence during the harsh winter months. In
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eleven, a gas explosion did about ten thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: worth of damage to the dining room and the rooms above.
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  Speaker 1: A chambermaid who was in the room directly above the
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  Speaker 1: dining room, was in the act of lighting a gas
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  Speaker 1: lamp when the match she held ignited gas that had
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  Speaker 1: escaped from a leaky pipe. The resulting explosion tore a
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  Speaker 1: massive hole on the floor, and plaster and timbers rained
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  Speaker 1: into the dining room below. The chambermaid, Lizzie Lettenberger, was
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  Speaker 1: thrown into the hole and had both ankles broken, but
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  Speaker 1: she didn't fall all the way to the floor, but
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  Speaker 1: instead was caught up by the ruined timbers and was
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  Speaker 1: held there until rescued.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa.
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  Speaker 1: At least ten glass plate windows were shattered, as well
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  Speaker 1: as several doors which were blown from their hinges.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe she survives this, Yeah, Litttenberg. By the way, lighton.
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  Speaker 1: Well quick aside. Many modern sources claim the woman's name
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  Speaker 1: was elizabeon Well Elizabeth Wilson, but the name Lizzie Lettenberger
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  Speaker 1: comes directly from the Fort Collins Express article about the
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  Speaker 1: explosion on June twenty ninth, nineteen eleven. Wow, so I'm
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  Speaker 1: going with Lizzie Lettenberger. Yeah, I mean Lizzie is just
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  Speaker 1: short for Elizabeth. Maybe Wilson was a married name. Oh right, true,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe Lizzie could be Yeah, I mean Lettenberger may
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  Speaker 1: have been her maiden name and Wilson, but she survived.
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  Speaker 1: Stanley eventually sold the hotel to a private company who
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  Speaker 1: ran it into the ground, and then he repurchased it
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  Speaker 1: out of foreclosure and sold it again. Nice job, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: That's amazing to me.
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  Speaker 2: This guy's got some sort of good karma going on,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna dive tuberculosis. Oh wait, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't die till nineteen forty, that's crazy. And he
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  Speaker 1: is responsible for for ESS's Park being what it is today.
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  Speaker 1: Not only did he build a hydroplant, but he also
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  Speaker 1: helped fund banks and all sorts of different public work.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane because he was kind of dived tuberculos.
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  Speaker 1: He had a vision of turning this into a resort town,
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  Speaker 1: like that's what he wanted.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's Estes Park is one of those places
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  Speaker 2: where you think about it and you know you better
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  Speaker 2: show up with some don't know. It doesn't feel it's
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  Speaker 2: not your low class place.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's pretty, it's pretty expensive to stay there, but
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  Speaker 1: it's gorgious, oh man, so gorgeous. So by the nineteen seventies,
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  Speaker 1: long after Stanley's death, the hotel had fallen on hard times.
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  Speaker 1: There was even talk of demolishing it, and it might
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  Speaker 1: have eventually succumbed to the wrecking ball if not for
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  Speaker 1: fortuitous visit by someone special. In nineteen seventy four, American
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  Speaker 1: horror writer Stephen King and his wife Tabitha were summering
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  Speaker 1: and Boulder. While King Stephen King, oh my god, dding
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  Speaker 1: you're being a Jersey in this movie. I've not read
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  Speaker 1: the book, though it's huge. Whilst King worked on a
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  Speaker 1: new book with the working title Dark Shine, which was
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  Speaker 1: set in an amusement park, he just wasn't satisfied with
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  Speaker 1: the setting, and locals in Boulder suggested that the couple
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  Speaker 1: visit as this park for inspiration. And I also suspect
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  Speaker 1: that he was suffering from writer's block at the time.
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  Speaker 1: He's written about it. Yeah, struggles with writer.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like some one of those like extremes, like
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  Speaker 2: a writer's block, can't do anything. Here is a seventy
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  Speaker 2: five thousand page in novel. Right, I'm never it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: seem to ever have an in between plays. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: As Stephen and Tabitha were checking into the Stanley Hotel,
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  Speaker 1: the rest of the guests were checking out, and the
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  Speaker 1: Kings were the only guests at the hotel as the
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  Speaker 1: next day they were closing up for the winter. They
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  Speaker 1: stayed in Room two seventeen, which many stars to say
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  Speaker 1: was the room that was damaged by the nineteen eleven
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  Speaker 1: gas explosion, and Stephen wondered the lonely corridor with their
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  Speaker 1: peeling paint and flickering lights. He felt inspiration creeping back
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  Speaker 1: in and thought it was the perfect setting for a
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  Speaker 1: ghost story. That night, he dreamed that his three year
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  Speaker 1: old son was running through the corridors, looking back over
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  Speaker 1: his shoulder, eyes wide, screaming he was being chased by
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  Speaker 1: a fire hose. King jerked awake in terror, lit a
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  Speaker 1: cigarette and looked out the windows at the Rockies, and
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  Speaker 1: by the time the cigarette was finished, he had the
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  Speaker 1: bones of the book The Shining firmly set in his mind.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's insane.
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  Speaker 1: In this story, Jack Torrence, who was looking for a
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  Speaker 1: fresh start after a series of events caused by his
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  Speaker 1: alcohol abuse had left him jobless and he brought his
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  Speaker 1: family to the Overlook Hotel in the vast Rocky Mountains
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  Speaker 1: to work as the winter caretaker and work on his play.
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  Speaker 1: As he had been suffering from writer's block. He thought
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  Speaker 1: that the isolation of the job and location would help
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  Speaker 1: him find inspiration. As the Tail unfolds, ghosts and an
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  Speaker 1: evil power in the hotel drive Jack to madness and
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  Speaker 1: amplify his young son Danny's burgeoning psychic power. If you're
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  Speaker 1: a fan of Stanley Kubrick's version of the movie, you
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  Speaker 1: won't recognize the exterior of the Stanley Hotel as it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't used.
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  Speaker 2: For the movie. And here's how we tie.
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  Speaker 1: The Grand Colinal Revival architecture was deemed by Kubrick to
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  Speaker 1: be too pretty and light for the dark atmosphere he wanted. Instead,
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  Speaker 1: interior shots were on a sound stage built in London,
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  Speaker 1: and exterior shots were the Timberline Lodge at Mount Hood, Oregon,
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  Speaker 1: which I spent a summer exploring because my dad did
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  Speaker 1: redid all the plumbing. What one, you're well, Well, we
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  Speaker 1: didn't spend the summer at Timberline Lodge. We spent the
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  Speaker 1: summer in Government Camp, which is the little town he
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  Speaker 1: redid all the plumbing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's amazing. Timberline is so cool. It is like
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  Speaker 2: I've seen pictures. I No, I'd almost rather go there
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  Speaker 2: than the Stanley Hotel, just because of it's closer the well, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's that, but like I don't know, I feel the Yeah, anyway,
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  Speaker 2: it's very looking at the pictures. I feel it more
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  Speaker 2: than Stanley.
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  Speaker 1: I sense a couple's road trip happening this winter.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like we're going to have to shay
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  Speaker 2: do a competition between the Stanley and the It's just
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  Speaker 2: go stay at both. But yeah, that's what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 2: and then we can do a comparative review. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a work project and we'll write
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  Speaker 2: it off. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So you might recognize some themes in King's book from
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  Speaker 1: the history of the hotel, like the gas explosion, the
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  Speaker 1: hotel being shut down for the winter with just a caretaker,
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  Speaker 1: as well as actual events from King's own life. He
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  Speaker 1: has been frank about his struggles with writer's block and alcoholism,
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  Speaker 1: as well as violence towards his family when drunk and high.
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  Speaker 2: King yes, oh wow, I didn't know that part. He
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  Speaker 2: claims that he barely remembers writing much of the book.
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  Speaker 2: Ten years after the publication of the book, Tabitha dumped
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  Speaker 2: all of King's drug and alcohol paraphernalia in front of him,
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  Speaker 2: and King started the journey towards sobriety and it's been
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  Speaker 2: sober ever since. Holy How, But Stephen King's personal demons
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  Speaker 2: weren't the only ghosts to haunt the place ever since
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  Speaker 2: the gas explosion of nineteen eleven, guests have reported spooky phenomena.
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  Speaker 2: Some guests and staff claim that they see the ghosts
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  Speaker 2: of Lizzie in Room two seventeen, and that she sometimes
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  Speaker 2: helpfully tidies up the room as they sleep, with their
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  Speaker 2: clothes mysteriously folded and suitcases organized. I would like that
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  Speaker 2: ghost to come home, I was singing, when a handy ghost.
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  Speaker 2: I love this ghost? Does it walk around going?
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  Speaker 1: One couple told a staff member that their bed was
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  Speaker 1: made around them in the night. What unmarried couples have
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  Speaker 1: reported a chili presence in bed with them as they slept,
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  Speaker 1: specifically unmarried couples.
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  Speaker 2: We was in this is a known We were.
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  Speaker 1: There in twenty fourteen and we were not yet married,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't we that was before rig got a
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  Speaker 1: seapap and so I had to have them bring in
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  Speaker 1: a rollaway bed that I could sleep on in the
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  Speaker 1: other room. So the ghost was like, no, I was
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  Speaker 1: in the same room, but I was on a rollaway
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  Speaker 1: bed because I couldn't sleep in the same bed as
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  Speaker 1: my husband because the snoring was so bad. So the
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  Speaker 1: ghost was like, this is fine, this is We're in
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  Speaker 1: separate beds. Yes, I am, well, this is fine. I'm proof,
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  Speaker 1: I approve. So the ghost of fo Stanley has been
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  Speaker 1: spotted at the bar in Billiard's room, and sometimes mysterious
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  Speaker 1: piano music will drift through the halls, as if Flora
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  Speaker 1: is at.
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  Speaker 2: The keys of the grand Piano. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Some of the hotel's tour guides believe there is a
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  Speaker 1: child haunting the property who plays with guests hair. On
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  Speaker 1: the fourth floor, sometimes children's laughter can be heard. There
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  Speaker 1: is an on site pet cemetery where some of the
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  Speaker 1: past owner's pets have been laid to rest. A friendly
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  Speaker 1: golden retriever named Cassie is said to still deliver newspapers
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  Speaker 1: and scratch it doors to be let in se There
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  Speaker 1: is also a network of underground caves that staff used
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  Speaker 1: to use to travel around the hotel out of sight
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  Speaker 1: of the guests. The ghost of a pastry chef is
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  Speaker 1: said to haunt these caves, and sometimes you can smell
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  Speaker 1: baked goods down there. Room four oh one is said
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  Speaker 1: to be the most haunted in the hotel, and some
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  Speaker 1: women have claimed they were inappropriately touched while standing in
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  Speaker 1: the closet. So now other women make reservations. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll go stay there. Come, hey, gus, I'm in the
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  Speaker 1: closet under the bed.
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  Speaker 2: This time. Hey, I'm in the bathtub. Come inappropriately touch me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here for you.
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  Speaker 1: Is it inappropriate if you're asking for Yes, it's just consensual.
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  Speaker 1: It's consensual. Oh wait, maybe that's not fun for the ghost.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's the point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or sche goes there just begging for it and
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  Speaker 2: there's no action because they're down there torturing. Somebody wants
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  Speaker 2: none of it. You're coming in with the wrong the
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  Speaker 2: wrong perspective and expectations to shoot their Oh she's too eager.
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  Speaker 2: You just made ghost raight funny. Oh God, we're terrible.
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna be canceled. I'm gonna cancel me. That's wrong. Okay, back, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I'm this I'm only on one and a half issue. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my god. Okay.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: There have also been many reports of So the thing
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: I'm thinking about while doing this is like, I have
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: all this spooky music to play under this.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: But then when we're going talking about that to you,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: when I'm writing my stories, and I should put notes
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: like shape put this kind of music here, because I
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: hear it in the background while he's telling it.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: There have also been many reports of strange sounds coming
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: from the ceiling of Room four twenty eight, like furniture
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: being moved in the night, despite the fact that there
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: are no rooms above it. Oh ever, right, like yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: so how's that? Okay, she's an empty attic cup there
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: play more. I was lucky enough that my dear husband
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: indulged me to fulfill a lifelong dream of staying at
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the Stanley Hotel. I have been a Stephen King fan
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: since I was about eleven, when I found a copy
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of Kujo in my mom's closet, which I hid in
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: my room to read when my parents weren't paying attention.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: This is hilarious, Like Kujo was your like porn? Like
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: you had that that? Did you put it between your mattress? Dirty? Well?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I remember there was like a some very dirty scene.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure like the guy yeah I
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: read Cujo is a yeah as well.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Sorry you guys didn't see the hand movement I was making.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I was trying not to.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: The guy was doing something with his hand waist high. Yes.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: In twenty fourteen, since we were in Colorado for the
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Great American Beer Festival, I convinced my hubby to make
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: the drive up to ESS's Park. The hotel was everything
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I dreamed of, rich, sumptuous interiors, gorgeous views, and even
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a hedge maze, although at the time it was only
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: me high, but it was still charming.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I'm terrified of that head. Well, when it's only me high, right,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I can take that. I won't even go. So I
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: won't go to corn Maze. And last couple of years
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: ago I went and corn Maze No, heck no, I'm
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I'm in there and I'm ready to rip out every
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: corn Stock. So remember the day that we were talking
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: about paddleboarding on the Sound and the outer kept going.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: She's like, no, it's fine, it's fine. I'm like getting
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: angrier and angrier, and she's like, I think we had
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: our just had our first fight. And I'm like, no,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: this is this is fight or flight. I'm a fighter,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: and so like I'm like, I want to rip those
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: corn stocks out. I want to throw them. I want
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: to get the heck out of there, and yeah, I
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: want to destroy the corn.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I love a corn maze, but I have a weird
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: thing where I actually if I don't have somewhere to be,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I don't mind being lost because I like exploration.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: So like when i'm I have to be able to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: see though I can't see out of there, and then
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I get real anxious and I'm ready to I'm ready
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to pull stocks and run, and I have to literally
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: talk myself like, don't be crazy. They going to calm
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: ambulance for you if you really pull these cornstocks and
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: run out in the middle of the fall festival. Well
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: now I'm a little sad because I was hoping we
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: could go to corn maze together. I'm sorry. I promised
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: myself I would never do it again, because I literally
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: have to talk myself down to not, okay, rid those up.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to cause you more stress, so I'll
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: just take my mom.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I'm literally the most sane person until I'm not, and
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the then the most insane person.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Well, the hedge maze at the Stanley Hotel. I think
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: now is about to hear so you'll be fine.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Oh really, it's only made of that far. Damn Well,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the last pictures I saw it looked yeah, it looked
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: like it. So now, okay, so you're telling me that
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: what year was it? Twenty fourteen? These were like knee
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: high because the maze hedges in the movie, but it
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: wasn't at the Stanley No, No, I know so that
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: so are they like trying to recreate that a little bit?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Is that what they're doing? And they didn't start till yeah,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: twenty ten. It's going to take till twenty seventy two
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: for these things too over your head where you can
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: write last to actually reflect the movie version.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing too, When you go through a hedge
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: maze that's only me high, you feel pretty dumb, right
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: because you're just like walking around and patterning.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I can see everything.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like I could see that this next
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: place is not the way out, because.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is what I need to train myself through
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: to stop panicking.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Well, just start, let's let's build a hedge maze in
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: my yard.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: I need to do sense. There's only a few things
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: that I'm like, absolutely not. Everything else i'm braved with.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: These are a couple of things, and when i'm absolutely not,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I'm absolutely not.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: There's probably some places that have like kitty hedge mazes
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: where you could have your head over the entire noise.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe if they put arrows of which way to go. Well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: you know now they do app maps. Okay, now that's
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: might show you exactly where you are.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: That might help me. As long as I have somebody
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: with me that reads maps, that might help me.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Well, because it'll show you where you are in the shape.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Remember they're always say shay, yeah, yeah, and it has
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: your location.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: That would probably help me. I as soon as I
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: don't know where I'm at, I'm ready to pull corn.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I won't do.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I won't do to you what I do to my
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: mother and my other friends, which just not let them
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: look at the map until we are well and lost.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Because I like the challenge. It's all about the challenge.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Back to the story, Yes, so that's my favorite favorite
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: line for us.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: So the Hedge Park, even though only the high was
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: still charming. So I decided to do my favorite thing,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and that's to take a beer for a walk.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, this is actually that, or a high noon
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: or a margarita, or you gotta take your drink for
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: a while. This squirrel is naughty.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Look, no, I'm adventurous with alcohol.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So she tried to do that with me once,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: but to give me good training. And then I walked
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: around with my Pina coladas showing to everyone, and she's shamy.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: She's like, oh my god, I can't believe you did that.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not an expert at breaking all the rules.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: That was San Francisco, and look, there were people shooting
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: up the alley the g I cared about where my
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: cam was facing, Like, if you can shoot up in
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the alley, I could have into the Vibrator Museum with
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: your Pina Klada showing.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: But I could park a box on the side of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the street on the sidewalk and shoot up Heroin and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: take it dumb. Yeah, okay, yeah, those all those things
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: are acceptable. When I took my beer for a walk
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: to explore the hallways, because of the busy carpet and wallpaper,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: combined with the somewhat dim lighting and length of the hallways,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the halls on the upper floor appeared to move and
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: undulate as you watched, like this is your experience. We
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: were there during the middle of the week, so there
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: weren't a ton of guests, and the upper floor in
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the middle of the day was there was like nobody around,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and so I took my beer for a walk up there.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It's is long, and the upper floor was servants rooms before,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: and so it's a much more narrow, unadorned hallway, but
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it's really long. It runs the length of the building,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: and so when you go up and you look down
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: the hallway, the carpet is that crazy patterned carpet, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: there was crazy pattern wallpaper, and the lights on that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: floor were really dim, and as you look down this
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: long hallway, it's just like a trick of light and
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: perception and straight. Yes, it almost appeared to expand and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: contract as I watched. Oh that's so crazy. This happened
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to me once in Friday Harbor. And the reason I
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: asked if it was straight is it kind of did
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: like the zigzag thing, and then the way that the
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: carpet shapes on the car it was just really weird
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to walk through. So that's what I was thinking. Yeah,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: you from just basing off my experience, how weird that
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: is that? Yeah, it was weird.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I just was looking down the hallway and it almost
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: appeared to expand because.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Especially knowing that like story behind the shopping right so
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that you're standing there, Yeah, feeling that knowing the story
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: behind the shining house scared. I was just feeling good, oh,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: because I had had a beer before, just one. So
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I was a couple of beers in and taking my
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: beer for a walk, and I was like, I told,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: take your beer for a walk. We're doing that from
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: now on. We're taking our beers for walks. We're not
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: just going We're doing it for the beer. It's because
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: we're kind. He not knows that that's what I normally do. No,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Like I just thought I was going for a walk
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: with a beer. Now I'm being kind to my beer
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and showing it the world before I drink it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Well, that poor beer has only known the place it
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: was brewed and then canned, and then the grocery store
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and probably like a in.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: A keg somewhere else. I know, dark hasn't seen the world. No,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I take it for walk. I had no idea you
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: were so was that called altruistic? Yeah?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Thank you so rich had decided he wanted to take
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a nap, and I was like, first off, he will
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: take naps when I'm like, we have such a limited
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: time in this place, I can sleep later.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Right, I'm not. There's vacations where you go to rest, relax, nap,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and there's vacations where you go to see things and
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: naps are not allowed.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: We were in this room for one night, and it's
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: not cheap.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: See this riots probably three hundred and fifty.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I think it was only around two hundred at the time,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: but still that was a lot of money. And I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: was like, we only have one night here. I am
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: taking full advantage of each of it. So he napped,
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I took my beer for a walk, and I was like,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: I got to explore this. I'm like, this is where
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: the shining started. Like right, this is where it was.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: This is the way I gotta go. This has special
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: significance for anybody who's a fan of Stephens.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: This is on my nomad plan.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I am such a fan of Stephen King. I will
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: read every single one of his books, even if they're terrible,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: because sometimes they are. He's put out some piles of
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: dog poop, but I still read them and I still
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: love most of them.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: I wonder if Keith thinks that way and doesn't say
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: anything because I don't. Is he also a huge Stephen
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: king Ham? Oh? Everything he has not read knocked about that?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Now you guys have talked about it. We talked about
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it on the way home from Oregon when we went
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: to the Davidian, and I was so tired. I think, yeah,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you guys talked about the your love and the fact
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: that you started at ten or eleven reading this. Keith
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: and I need to start a Stephen king podcast together.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good one. That's a good idea.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: All the King tapes. So yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: So I took my beer for a walk, so wandered
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: up and then in the stairwells. This was really interesting.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: They would sometimes hold these like unexpected cold spots and
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: it was like eighty five outside because Colorado is hot
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: until it's not. It's like it's like, well, Colorado is
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the place. I love those videos where they're like a
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: typical Colorado fall day. You wake up and there's snow
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: on the ground because it's snow all night, and then
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: it's eighty five degrees. It's sunny and beautiful in your
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: white snow, or you go outside and there's snow out
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: and you go grab your ski gear and by the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: time you get in it's eighty Back outside it's eighty
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: five degrees.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: You start at the top and it's powdery. By the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: time you get to the blot, you're water skiing. You'd
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: need a power boat to get you to the lawn.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: That's Colorado.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, So it was like eighty five degrees outside, and
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I don't think that the hotel had air conditioning, so.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it wasn't built with it for sure.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Right, so there was these unexplained cold spots in the stairwells.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: But the spookiest adventure was the ghost tour. So there's oh,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: they do a tour. They do so there's several accessory
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: buildings to the main lodge. So they had built smaller
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: buildings and this one the lodge. So there's the main
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: hotel and there's the lodge, and the lodge had some
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: extra rooms and then also had the theater, so that's
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: where they would hold events. So that's where this ghost
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: tour was. So after the sun had sunk below the rockies,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: we made our way over to the smaller building to
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the side of the main hotel, which holds the theater
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: in the event space. The tour guide told us that
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the spirits of several children are said to haunt this building.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: She handed out dumb dumbs lollipops you know those are
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: those little tiny ones to all of the guests and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: command added them to balance the candy on their palm
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: with the stick pointing up.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, then like to balance it like up, yeah, okay,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: It wasn't hard because they have the wrapper right, so
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you make it flat on the bottom, so it was fine,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: like if you just are still, it'll stay up. Then
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: she spoke to the children.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: My husband got a weird look in his eye and
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: said that all of the hairs on the arm holding
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the candy were now standing up. And I looked and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: they were, but not the other arm. Then the candy
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: was knocked over, even though he was perfectly still like
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: fasters though it just fell over. He was slowly just no,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: it just got knocked over. So he was definitely spooked.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: We were taken through the building, most of it dark,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: and into the cave like tunnels below. Here it was
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: suggested that we take some pictures. Sure enough, my camera
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: screen was full of orbs. Now, that could have just
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: been light balancing off of particles and dust in the air,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: but it certainly added to the spooky atmosphere. Those dusted
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: particles in your eyeballs. Yes, dusts of particles? What particles
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: of dust?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Say? I'm on my one and a half mad dog mimosa,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: So I didn't even notice you said.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I think I'm slightly dyslexic. The next morning, Rich
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: and I sat at the hotel's gorgeous bar enjoying a
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: morning bloody Mary.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, so, now in the movie The Shining and he's
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: sitting at that bar, do they replicate that? Well no, no,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: So does the inside of that actual facility look anything
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: like them? Okay, not a thing, got it? So this
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: bar was very cool.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: So the Stanley Hotel, if you look at pictures of it,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: it is set into the into the mountain. So it's
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: like the backdrop of the hotel is just rocks, but
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it is literally set into Oh. Okay, so the bar
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: is set into the rock. So part of the bar's
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: wall is just granite stone.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: So that's the outside, yeah, is on the inside, there's
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: actually no wall there, It's just built into this. Yeah.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: So that's part of the part of the bar, and
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: then the other one opens up to like that a courtyard.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Fantastic, it's gorgeous. Oh my god. So we're sitting there
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: at the bar.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I'm enjoying this very elaborate, expensive bloody mary that's got
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: bacon and pickled green beans and like all that stuff.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I just have cheddar And.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: No it didn't have that. No, but the bacon was amazing.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: And was it dipped into the bloody Oh that's the best. Yes,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: it was so good. And so he's in milk or
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: bacon in your right, but you're merry either way.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: My husband's phone was sitting face down on the bar,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and this was before all of the AI Google Assistant
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Voice stuff.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Twice it's a flip phone or was this an app phone?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: No, this was a this was a smartphone smartphone, but
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: this was before that. You did like the Hey Google
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: stuff twenty fourteen, Hey Siri. Yeah, all of a sudden,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: without being touched, his camera and flash just started going off.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: The bartender was right there and he's like, oh, that
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: sort of thing happens all the time here.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So did Rich run like I'm picturing
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: at this point this very like we were like and
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: so of course me being like the grand skeptic, and
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I was wondering how this is gonna say out, Well.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: We're in the bedrock, so there's probably some sort of
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: like magnetic forces or something like that that's just causing
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: electronics to misbehave. And like the orbs on the camera,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: that's particles of destiny air. I mean, that's what most
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: of the time it is.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: But the I mean I've looked and I've seen no
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: particles of justin the air with my eyes and then
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: also on my camera. Okay, this is again why we
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: need to be over record our sessions. Shade just like
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you are so ridiculous looked at me.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Everyone missed that look on her face, Like my head
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: was be reil right now. So although pricey at the time,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it was about two hundred dollars a night and now
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: can range from two hundred and fifty to four hundred
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: and fifty.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so I figured it was a memorable experience.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: F O. Stanley created a masterpiece and made the town
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: of Estes Park the amazing place it is today.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: It's not somewhere you're gonna go find that anywhere in America. Yeah,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: a gorgeous town. It's popular year round, whether you believe
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: in the paranormal or not. It will charm and enchant
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: even the most skeptical of guests, even you, even me.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: I mean I felt some spookiness there. I can't lie
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: like you're gonna always look for the answer that isn't paranormal.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: But you also felt it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the weird undulating hallway, even though it's probably just
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: you know, your brain processing and visual stuff, that was creepy.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: It was really creepy. Yeah. Well I've seen it in
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: you know, just the geometrical stuff, and not in a
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: haunted scary place. I imagine putting that all together in
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: one place would Yeah. Yeah, And I mean I know
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I'm a skeptic, but I still.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Enjoy, Right, that's obvious like exploring it. Like even last night,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: When have we gone through this entire thing without me
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: mentioning pretty gritty tours?
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Not on this episode? Did we miss it on this episode?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: So we do record multiple on one day. I know
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: we've mentioned him in Knocking, but I think we missed
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: in this episode. That would be a shame.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Well, hey, Chris, Chris, he's not a patron but I'll
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: just send in this episode straight. Yeah, I should just
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: give a Patreon membership for free because he is my boss.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: That sounds weird. Are you looking for a bonus ray?
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: So he took us.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Last night, I was helping lead tours of Stadium High
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: School for their twenty fifth anniversary of the Ten Things
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: I Hate About You movie, which was filmed there. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: after we help the tours, me and another one of
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: the helpers was with Chris and he's like, hey, you
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: guys want to see something cool because neither of us
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: ladies had been all the way down the steam tunnel,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: because whenever we'd been on a tour, we were always
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: at the caboose. And you're like, okay, well I'm in
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: a tunnel.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And when I give the tours, because I've only ever
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: been in charge of the basement in the attic, I
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: haven't done the full tour yet, but you're supposed to
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: tell them that when they hit the ducting.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Wait did you say basement in the attic? Basement and attic?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, sorry, I was like wait, I got stuck there,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: like how does that work?
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: And sorry? So there's a piece of ducting that to
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: continue down the tunnel, you would have to basically crawl
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: under it. Like it is low enough that I was
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: able to crab walk like like duck walk. Claustrophobic.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Are you going in here? No?
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I thought, But we had never been down there,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: so he's like, let's go. So we head down this
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: tunnel and it's just the three of us and crawl
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: underneath this duct work and then it dead ends where
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: there used to be a fresh air exchange but it's
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: been concreted up and sitting on top of a piece
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of pipe is you know, the teeth model, like chattery
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: teeth but like plaster, but all the teeth are pointy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Oh it's up there.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Uh huh oh, it's so creepy.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: So then we have to turn around and there's a
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: little ladder to go up to a utility room. But Emily,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the other guide, she's like, can I be in the middle.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: So I'm at the back and there's no light back there.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: So Chris had had his flashlight out, but then he
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: goes up the ladder first, so I am back here.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: It's filtered out by the time it gets to you.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Bought in the pitch black and I joked, Sure, I'll
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: go last. I'll be the person that gets pulled back
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: into the darkness. And I freaked myself out so bad
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that it ran. That's my thing, Like, I can I
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: freak myself out so much I don't believe, but part
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: of my reptile brain believes, yeah, right, So that's where
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the part of me that gets that
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: like adrenaline thrill because my reptile brain is like, oh, yes,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: it's all true, but my logical brain is like, no,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: there's an explanation for all of it. And then they
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: they wore And when I'm in the dark, I can
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: freak myself out if I watch a really scary movie
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: by myself at night, and then I will be freaked
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: out the rest of the night and see figures in
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the doorways and windows and especially UFO stuff.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I use. I just have made a rule to stop
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: watching those things when I'm by myself, because then, like
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: you start seeing yeah, I don't, and there's a problem.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I really don't anymore. I used to love horror movies.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, I'm at twelve thirty. I mean, we were
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: sneaking into these things. That was our thing. Scary movies,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: and then my husband raised our daughters on it, like
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: they would go to these I don't care remember what
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: they're called anyway, I mean it was their thing. I
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: started college while my kids were in school, and so
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: what would happen is I would be like I got
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: a paper to write or I got to study for
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: this test, and keep be like, okay, girls, we're going
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: to the drive in and watch all these gary movies.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: And they would like and it's funny because they're not
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: coming home and having nightmares. They're like, okay, so this
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: seat they're like totally critiquing, like like they could have
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: used better blood product, that didn't look so fake and
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I mean her scream was and this is too campy
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: and like total breakdown stuff. My small children and my
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: husband running around watching scary movies and breaking it down
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: like their movie critics. No one, No. I never had
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: a problem with my kids not sleeping at night, never
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: had a problem with them not wanting to be home
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: alone whatever, Like they funny love that stuff. Now they're
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: kids not so much. They accidentally watch like two minutes
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: of Chucky. Uh, what's that child play? Is that called
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: child child play?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: And because we turned the TV on, and that's what
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: show was on when we turned it on so quickly
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: trying to like get out of there, and they're all
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: like wait what w shit, and I'm like no, no, no.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Eventually I turned on the Making of Chucky because I'm thinking, Okay,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: they can watch it without being scared, because it's not
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: real and it's you're answering all those questions. Oh no,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: they go home. I'm gonna be banned as a sleepover grandma.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: At some point I could not sleep a night like
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: it literally show the robot, like, come on, try to
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: give you the experience without the experience. But yet my
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: kids were all like yeah, anyway, I think they could
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: have done it better with maybe a different actor. That
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: blood was obviously her that scene to that scene instead
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: swap the scenes in order. Then maybe it would made
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: more sins and been we're scary, like that's too many.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Well, even if you're not a believer in the paranormal,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: the Stanley Hotel is still a fantastic experience, as is
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Este Park.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: So I'm excited to go. I have one more question
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: for you. Yes, have you watched The Shining the movie
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and the.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Series, So I haven't watched the series, but I need
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to because if you're a fan of The Shining and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Stephen King, you know that Stephen King hated the Stanley
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Kubrick version. Okay, like it it warped his idea. So
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: then he actually appeared in.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: The Yes series serious. Yeah, I had watched the movie,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and then when the series came out, I was like, okay,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: can we do that as a super serious It was like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: you know, serieses are like dumb, right, and so I'm like,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: but I'm gonna watch it anyway because I'm a I'm
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: a fan of The Shining and I was like, oh
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: my gosh, this is so much better than the movie.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Is it? Oh it's so they'll tell you the same thing.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Can we do a movie night and just watch the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: series all in one night?
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Is it too long? It might be like six hours,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: but you could look it up. Maybe it's not with commercials.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Maybe without the commercials ice, yeah, taken out, maybe it's less.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Let's look it up. Yeah, I'm in. I want to
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: see your reaction to it, because I think it's it's different,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: it's better. I think anybody who is a fan who's
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: seen both would say the series is actually better than this.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean I'm a cubric fan. I love
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: the clockwork orange, a clockwork orange. What about Rosemary's Baby
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Love Rosemary? And what was the one? Is it called silver?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Silver Sliver? Sliver? Did you ever see that? I think so.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: It's been a while though, but I love the visual
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: style and the atmosphere that he builds. I mean, I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: appreciate that about the shining, like, the atmosphere is incredible.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: He terrifies me. It's one of the people that I
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: think of in real life I'd never really want to meet.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: I think he's that creepy.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but people I really want to meet in
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: real life.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Stephen King is is top five. I follow him on Twitter.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I do too. He's a Hilaire. Oh god. The haters
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: of Stephen King are like, well, they're special people. Yes,
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: they know they are.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: It's Stephen King and weird al are my two weird
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: like I want to meet him in real life. Weird
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Al Oh, which I've sat at a restaurant table next
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: to Weird Now.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Tell me, Okay, I want people to think about this
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: shade as head. The two people I really want to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: meet our Stephen King and Weird Hell. And I'm thinking,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: are they ever in the same space? Like that's they
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: are way different people, right, I should tell me about
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: tell me about word out. Why would you want to
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: meet word What is it about that? That's the second person.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I grew up on weird Al's music, all of his
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: parodies of all the songs, especially I was. I was
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: raised on Michael Jackson.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, for those that have not met Shane in real life,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: she's talking. I'm like, she is his, his spirit animal,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: she's or he's hers. I don't know those parodies. This
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: is like talking to Shaye on a daily basis. She's
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: taking life, he's making parodies. He's nerdy. Yes, he's smart.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: See yeah, just like you. Well, I don't know about
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: that part nerdy.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Is I know I'm not as smart as that. Oh,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: thank you? Also like the nerdy and the good nerdy
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: way like the kindie like that, Oh my god, stop
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: talking to me kind of nerdy, like I keep talking
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: to thank you. I love you. I said, nerdy not dirty?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Also dirty? Oh probably both?
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he's he's interesting, he's smart. He's just he's witty,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: very witty, and I just appreciate that and what he
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: does with these parodies. He makes fun of himself, He
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: makes fun of culture.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Culture.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's smart when you think, when you read, when
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you listen to the lyrics, if you stop from it
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: just being funny, it is a cultural commentary.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Right right, it's like, oh my gosh, that's that's crazy, funny, ironic, whatever.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Every single time, How did I not put that together? Yeah?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: He does put together and positive. I mean right, it's
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: not mean and no hateful, No, it's not.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I think if your song gets parodied by weird Al,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: you should feel like the most honored person.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Right now. You have two versions in the world.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Like uh, Farrell's Happy got parodied into TACKI and that
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: video is just the most beautiful thing because it is
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: every amazing comedian of today dancing and singing in the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: worst outfits you have ever seen. It's beautiful. I love
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Weirdel so much, so, yes, I would love. I've sat
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: next to him at a restaurant in Hollywood.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Got that close.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: He was at the next table, but I was so starstruck.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, here's the thing. We're going to have to just
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: take this this podcast, get uber famous so that they
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: want to see us well.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: And then Stephen King, like Stephen King. We need to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: be on the same guest list. Used to be Neil Gamon,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: but apparently he's a sexual predator, so I can't like
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: him anymore.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: I can't any hate guys who Neil What?
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Neil Gamon? He's another author, He's my other favorite author.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Turns out you can't let him I know. Oh god,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: he'd put down again. He put puppies in a sack
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: in the dryer.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: But why why the drawer? What? So that was Chris's thing.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: He's like, I like somebody and then all of a sudden,
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: sacks of puppies in the dryer.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: Right right, right? Gotcha? Okay, Well, we're gonna end this.
• 46:21
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• 47:04
  Speaker 1: out in my tale of the Stanley Hotel. Let's go,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: love it, Let's go, let's go out. Oh, I forgot
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: to tell you this. As I'm looking up the research
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: for this episode. I see the events on the Stanley
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Hotels page. This October is the fiftieth anniversary of Stephen
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: King's stay at.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Ser I was only two years old.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Nineteen seventy four. So they are holding a special when
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: October twenty six, they are holding a special Stanley ball.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: It's sold out. I was gonna ask, but it is.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: They want you to come dressed either as characters from
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: The Shining or any of Stephen King's casing he would
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: love to go. I think this is something you would
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: have to plan years in advance for dang, because Halloween
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: there is booked years in advance, insane.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: So maybe I'm when I become a nomad and I'm
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: just driving around to things to do. I need to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: put that my lid for my lid, my list for
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: the future, things to plan for.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, I would love to go to something like that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Well anyways, alright, guys, we'll see you next time.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Thank you, See you down the rabbit hole.