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Taking a Nonprofit Podcast to 100k downloads (It's Not as Easy as You Think!) · Your Mic

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  When I get into those negative venerios,
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  then I go play my alphabet game.
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  I'm able, I'm bold, I'm courageous, I'm daring,
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  I'm eager.
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  By the time you get to XYZ,
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  your mind's off whatever was worrying you.
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  We can all get into those loops.
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  It is so easy to do.
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  It is so easy.
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  Everybody needs to tell their story.
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  It is their story.
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  So often in history, someone else writes the story.
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  I come to believe we all need to tell it
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  and need someone who's going to listen.
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  That is a true art listening to people.
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  If you have that idea, go with it.
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  There is not one rule that's going to make it work.
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  You're always working by the seat of your pants.
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  I tell any new founder to go for it.
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  Dorothy, I don't know that you know this,
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  but you are single-handedly responsible for one of our core pillars
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  that speak podcasting.
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  What is it?
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  This has to be fun.
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  Do you remember a conversation we had a long time ago?
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  Oh, yes, yes.
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  I bet it could be in fun.
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  And if it's not fun, we're not going to do it.
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  Right, right.
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  So I want to know where that comes from.
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  One of the things you so graciously
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  included me in on is your holiday letter,
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  which comes at toward the end of the year.
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  And in this one, you're announcing your retirement
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  and talking about winding down the journey here at the Rose.
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  And in it, toward the end, you have play in it.
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  And so it seems to be a constant.
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  And so when you're working at a place like the Rose,
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  where we're dealing with the disease that literally kills
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  our loved ones, and you're handling a lot of dark, sad things,
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  why is that important for you?
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  Not just within the podcast, but just within your organization
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  and building your culture.
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  You know, life is serious enough.
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  Period.
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  Whether you're dealing with life and death situations,
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  whether you're dealing with an illness, it is very serious.
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  And I just have always believed that we as human beings
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  have lost that ability to play.
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  Or it's been not beaten out of us,
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  but we're supposed to be responsible.
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  When do you most enjoy time?
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  Is when you're lost in it, when you're playing?
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  And I just feel like it's really important
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  that we have that permission to play.
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  Now, I don't think I always gave myself that permission.
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  And I certainly didn't think of life as fun.
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  I think with the Rose and the responsibilities
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  that all of us here have at the Rose,
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  you know, those are heavy responsibilities.
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  And I think it became very important to my mental health
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  and my physical health, that I find some way
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  to have fun in spite of.
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  And it helps you be a better leader.
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  Well, it seems.
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  We'll see.
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  Well, there's the whole self-care.
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  And that's something that was a pretty huge beat
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  for the podcast.
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  Self-care, well-being, that sort of thing.
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  And it's like, if you can't, and it goes all the way down
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  to early prevention for breast cancer
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  and just taking care of your body, getting your mammograms,
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  all that sort of a thing, if you take care of yourself,
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  then you can take care of others.
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  And so play and joy helps with the mental health
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  aspect of it.
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  So what do you do for play?
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  I talk to my dog, Sparrow.
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  Hey.
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  That's good.
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  And I sing ridiculous songs.
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  Oh, well, that's OK.
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  We won't ask you to do that today.
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  Please do not.
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  Some of them may or may not have, like, four letter words.
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  But, you know, so you make them up.
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  I make them up.
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  But also, there are, like, classic songs, too.
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  You know, like, yeah.
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  I think there's the Oak Christmas tree song.
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  And I sing it to him.
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  So instead of Christmas tree, it's Sparrow Bear.
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  Because he cuddles like a teddy bear, so I call him Sparrow Bear.
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  But he doesn't bar, he doesn't sound like a Sparrow
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  when he's violent sounding when the delivery guy's there.
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  But yeah, stuff like that, it smooths the edge.
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  That's a big way of putting it, yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Let's talk about the podcast and how you all were,
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  you all were that quote unquote,
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  when that I had needed in post-radio life.
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  Now, we go way back.
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  You know, you were on my Sunday morning show
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  and I was already hosting the shrimp boil.
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  And I didn't know what I was doing.
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  And I messaged you, I did the Alex Hormosi thing
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  where you just go down your entire Facebook friends list
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  and your Twitter list and all that, you know, asking,
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  hey, are you interested in, hey, are you interested?
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  So if you can go back to when we started the podcast,
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  you know, that had been on my goal list for three years.
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  And I don't even know why I put it on there.
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  But I knew that we needed, the Rose needed,
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  some other way to communicate what we were doing.
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  I loved to write.
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  I enjoy writing.
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  But our attention span is not there anymore for the written word.
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  And I love hearing people's stories.
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  And so it had just been on my goal list
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  and then when you came in and I'll never forget you called me
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  and you said, do I have some coffee somewhere?
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  I don't go have coffee with anybody.
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  And it was, you know, a lunch, I think you gave me an option.
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  And I said, Freddie, if you've got something to sell me,
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  you have to come to me.
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  And sure enough, you had your proposal.
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  And I don't think I even looked at it.
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  Did I?
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  I don't think you did.
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  It was something to the effect of Freddie,
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  we've been wanting to do this for years.
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  And I'm like, I always think to myself,
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  there's no way it is this easy.
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  And it's not.
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  It's, it's not.
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  You, you had, you had a lot of nose in there, didn't you?
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  I had a lot of nose after, after the obvious yes from you.
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  Right, that's why I was like, it's no way.
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  But don't you remember when you said, oh, I might have five or six clients.
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  And I said, no, you're going to have 30.
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  And then you said, oh, no, you know, five or six.
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  And I said, I'm not going to argue for your limitations.
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  I've always remembered you saying that.
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  And I think you probably said that once or twice to me in the time that we know.
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  So, you know, that's real important.
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  When you're, when you know someone has that potential,
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  if you don't encourage them, who is?
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  Because we're not going to encourage ourselves.
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  I mean, heaven forbid, we say something nice to ourselves.
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  Instead of that self talk that's always putting us down, you know,
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  I think, I think that is so important in life.
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  Just catching ourselves at how we're speaking to ourselves.
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  I think I told you what's, when I get into those negative scenarios,
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  then I go play my alphabet game.
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  Do you remember that?
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  Okay, I vaguely remember that.
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  What is the alphabet?
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  That's where you go down the alphabet and it can be for any reason.
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  And, and you find words that describe yourself positive words, you know,
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  like I'm able, I'm bold, I'm courageous, I'm daring, I'm eager, I'm, you know,
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  feisty.
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  These are rolling off the tongue for you.
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  These, this is an exercise.
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  Yeah.
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  The time you get to XYZ, because I know, of no X words.
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  But by the time you get there, your mind's off, whatever was worrying you.
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  We can all get into those loops of, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, it is so easy to do.
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  It is so easy.
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  And, you know, part of what we have to be careful of, especially in this day and time,
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  is how much screen time we have, how much time we just let our mind go play in the
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  scrolling.
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  Now, I think there is play in scrolling.
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  I think it's okay, but not when it consumes everything.
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  Yeah.
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  And I think you have to be careful what you're scrolling.
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  If it's all Zoom's day, then what do you fill in your mind with?
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  You want to fill your mind with something positive.
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  I think especially if you start your day like that and your doom scrolling, oh my goodness,
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  this happened there.
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  This happened here.
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  This person said this.
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  This person said this.
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  Another big scary thing.
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  Well, you know what?
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  That's our decision.
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  And that's the day that you set forth for yourself, too.
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  Well, and you know, another little rule I have is you make up your bed every day.
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  Make up your bed.
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  You make up your mind how your day is going to go.
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  It is an old old rule.
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  There's the Navy SEAL who gave the commencement speech who said that.
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  And then I've got my friend Brittany who runs a social media marketing agency.
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  And she posts in her vlog, always make the bed and like stop telling me to make my bed.
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  I'm always in the comments.
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  Stop telling me to make my, now you're saying that you got to make up your bed.
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  And it is just a part of a mindset because when you're doing that, then you're making
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  up your mind because you're telling yourself that I'm making up my mind for the good
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  day.
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  And I've gotten better at the habit.
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  But it's so true that no matter what happens at the end of the day, you come home or you
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  go into your bedroom and the bed, you get a nice cozy, made up bed, waiting for you
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  to lay down, go to sleep in.
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  So let's talk about something that blew my mind.
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  And I don't even know where it came from.
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  We were in a meeting talking about BCAM, breast cancer awareness month.
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  And for lack of a better word, I sort of vomited the idea out for 31 days of episodes.
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  Not really knowing how.
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  But that was a lot better said.
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  You're a, let's fill up a bus full of bras.
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  Do you remember that one?
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  I do remember that.
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  And it was going to be that we give out these bras and I'm afraid we don't do that.
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  And then you had your 31 days that I think was probably one of the most brilliant ideas.
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  I think you've ever come up with.
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  Thank you.
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  And it is fun.
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  It is fun to say we've got 31 days of guests here who are going to talk to you about everything
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  from what it's like to be a breast cancer survivor, what it's like to not have funding,
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  to have a mammogram, supporters, caregivers.
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  I mean, it's just a great month.
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  You can get a little bit of everything on that.
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  And what I like about just working with you all is that you're so open to having different
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  episodes.
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  So for anyone listening to this and is not familiar with the Rosa's podcast, let's talk
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  about your breasts.
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  Every single breast cancer warrant is more than we're going on this year, the fourth
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  time that we're going to do it.
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  So by the end of October, 2026, wherever 31 times four is 124.
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  Yeah.
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  I'm good at math.
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  124 episodes that just in October alone that you all do.
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  But it's not just guest interview or a guest interview.
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  You've got little short mashups.
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  They're varying lengths.
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  I think there are some solos that we may have spiked in there.
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  Your team has hopped in and co-hosted an episode here and there.
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  So all these different textures to the podcast and the different sounds and the different
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  sound quality is always going to be there.
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  It's different sounds.
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  So you've got like man on the street kind of or woman on the street kind of sounds where
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  we're at live events like the shrimp boil and the lunch in and so on and so forth.
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  I think nice winery is best.
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  Yes.
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  When you do your interviews there, those are great.
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  Yes.
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  And so we're able to splice in music and layer it over the people who are rose supporters,
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  whether it is at nice winery or at the shrimp boil.
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  And so that's really one of the things that I've sort of taken away and have been able
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  to implement whenever another client wants to do something that might sound a little
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  bit different.
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  You know, it's like, well, your podcast doesn't necessarily have to be guest and host
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  in 30 minutes.
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  It can be this.
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  It can be that.
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  What's something that you, what's something beyond the guest episode that you've enjoyed
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  doing with the podcast?
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  Oh, I do like the solos.
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  I like being able to have that little spice in time when I can just talk and I don't
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  have to guard my words or be careful because whatever I'm saying is something I would
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  say to you in person.
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  So I do like those.
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  I have really had a lot of guests that just took over the podcast, you know, and that's
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  great too.
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  I mean, it's, it's, they're so excited and they have a story to tell you that is, that's
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  the best ones.
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  You have a favorite that comes to mind or maybe three if you had to pick.
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  Well, you know, I was always amazed at Daniel Barron's story that I had not heard and
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  all the years I had interviewed with him, talked to him.
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  That one was was the first, oh my gosh, look at what I don't know about the people that
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  I've known for so long.
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  The one that was so positive, oh my gosh, the things that had happened to her and she
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  still looked at everything in the most positive of ways.
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  And I have to say, the one that did the 10,000 mile bike ride, Mike Haylon race for Kathy.
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  Yes.
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  You know, when he, when he was coming in here and he said to me, I don't want you to
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  be frightened when you see me because I'm 300 pounds and about six foot six.
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  And you know, I'm worried, it's a good fit in the chair.
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  And he was covered with tattoos and he came in his biker's gear and he wasn't intimidating
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  to some extent.
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  And then when he came back from the ride, oh my gosh.
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  He was a teddy bear.
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  He was, he had so many profound, profound things that he had learned through that time.
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  And so many incredible experiences with people who he didn't even know, people that helped,
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  people that were cheering him on.
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  I thought, you know, we've just seen a transformation in this person.
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  And I, I could, I understand how it happened, but to be able to witness it.
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  Right.
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  Was, was something.
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  When you see the before after, because we had him in, he did the interview and then he
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  did the interview with his fiance Kathy, but to your point with the transformation, he,
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  he did the, he rode the 10,000 miles, it was from what Florida to Alaska.
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  And he did it in honor of Kathy.
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  Also, it seemed to have really helped him as well.
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  What is a moment behind the scenes when the show felt like it was almost impossible to,
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  to keep going?
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  Just because the, the content kind of gets heavy.
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  I, I've got a moment, a couple of them were, you know, I'll get in the car and just
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  start weeping.
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  But you know, we deal with a lot of heavy stuff.
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  Yeah.
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  I, I think sometimes when I glance over at you or Roxanne and I see the motion on your face,
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  you know, I'm, I'm listening for that, but what they're saying.
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  But when I see it on your face, did I go, oh my, this is really serious.
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  This is really, this is tough.
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  This is, yeah.
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  But I think sometimes the, if we're being really honest, so the most difficult interviews
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  are the ones where, where people are, they tighten up, you know, and I mean, we were just
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  talking and then suddenly the cameras on, understand totally, this is not a criticism.
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  But it's like, oh, how can I make that person feel more comfortable, you know, or the
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  host, that's a horrible feeling, you know what's happening to them and you just want them
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  to feel comfortable, it's kind of like you want to close it down and say, let's start
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  over.
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  Right.
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  Or make it audio only because, you know, you do this professionally, even though you've
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  podcasted for a few years, you were on TV doing radio interviews.
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  This is your jam, you're, you're the marketing PR brains behind the rows.
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  So this is nothing new for you.
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  You've been doing this since you started it for a survivor who has to go and tell his
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  or her story for the first time ever and they're these two big, intimidating lights and
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  three cameras and you got the $400 mics.
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  Oh, don't worry.
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  Just be comfortable.
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  It's a conversation.
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  Right.
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  Right.
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  That's what we tell them.
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  Easy for you to say.
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  And I, you know, another one that was so, that was difficult, was monty.
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  I had a really hard time with them.
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  She had never told her story outside of family.
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  I, I think that's what I'm remembering her saying.
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  But she was so emotional and she was so grateful for the people that helped her and here
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  she was 18 years old, diagnosed with breast cancer.
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  Oh, it was just one, one story that she told after another that you wonder, where does
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  she get that gumption?
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  Right.
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  How did she get the courage to keep going?
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  What?
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  You know, that's what's always impressed me about any of our survivors.
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  How do they do that?
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  Right.
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  It could be an 18 year old.
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  It could be a 40 something year old mother that's a CEO of a company.
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  It could be somebody who is pregnant with breast cancer and is dismissed yet they keep going.
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  And that's, and maybe, and maybe that's like, that's, that's the jig is that they tell
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  their story and you're like, wow, that was really hard to listen to and experience.
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  I can imagine what it must have been like for the, for the guest.
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  But what you're doing is you're, you're shining a light on these, on these ladies and
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  there's someone out there who's going to hear it and it's going to be like, that's me.
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  You know, I think the other thing I've learned through the podcast is everybody needs to
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  tell their story.
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  It is their story.
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  You know, it's, it is so often in history, someone else writes the story.
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  It's not that person's and I just, I come to believe we all need to tell it and need
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  someone who's going to listen.
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  You know, that is a true art listening to people.
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  Yes.
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  I haven't always had it.
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  I've learned a lot of that here doing this podcast because suddenly it's not my question
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  that they're answering.
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  They're going down another whole road that I hadn't been prepared for and that's when
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  you really are aware of how important it is to pay attention.
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  I would push back on that only because I think this is just my, my assumption here is
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  that because you had spent so much time in front of the camera as a guest on other,
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  on other shows like my Sunday morning show and on channel 26 and channel two and all these
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  other places that you have sort of this built in gift that you kind of learned through
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  us.
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  Moses that translated into okay, well, cool.
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  I've now got 30 minutes and it's my show and I get to ask what they want.
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  And so, yeah, they might talk about something that wouldn't be on the list of questions,
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  but because you're invested in this, you're invested in the survivor or the donor or the
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  staff member, Dr. Razz, Dr. Dixie, whoever, that you're invested emotionally in them that
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  it's easy for you.
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  It's easy for you to pick up when they go off the beaten path.
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  Maybe, but I do want to correct you on one thing.
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  I never went in front of cameras that I wasn't scared to death, never really, no.
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  I never came into your show that I wasn't scared to death, no, no, my stomach would be
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  churning, I would be trembling, I would, and I had one time on live camera that my
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  mind went blank.
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  There is nothing as scary as that.
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  That is scary.
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  And it was with Melissa Wilson on Fox News.
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  It wasn't that Saturday morning that we did, was it?
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  No, no, no, but this was, this was when she'd asked me something and my mind just went
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  oh, and what an incredible, incredible host she was because she saw it, went directly into
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  something else, didn't, didn't try to go back and ask that same question.
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  I thought, wow, that's a professional, you know, I'll never forget that.
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  And I know what happens to our guest, you know, it's just that moment when you, you
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  can't think, nothing is coming out of your mouth and you know, it's, you know, it's
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  bad.
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  So, no, I, I always, I'm scared when I get in front of a group of people and I have to
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  talk most of the time, I'm scared getting in front of all of y'all because you're going
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  to tell me how bad I am or how, or whatever I'm doing.
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  No, I'm, I'm saying that fear is, is still there after all these years.
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  And even hundreds of podcast episodes later, there's still a little bit of the nerves,
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  really.
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  Okay, so we still have a few more episodes to produce before you retire.
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  So everybody behind the scenes, we're going to stare awkwardly at Dorothy.
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  We're going to scoot the chairs in a little courage.
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  They'll be doing that.
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  So Dorothy, this is a, this is a first in, in my life.
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  I have not had a close friend retire.
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  And so this is all, this is like all really new.
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  I've had friends like leave jobs and see you later, move out of state, move out of state,
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  whatever.
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  This is like a whole new sort of a thing.
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  And I want to go back to the, to, to the holiday letter that you wrote because it's like
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  the perfect sign off.
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  And I kind of want to do a little bit of a riff as we close the conversation.
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  And it's like if, if this was some, like a similar sort of goodbye to people who are listening,
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  not just your staff and friends of, you know, that, that we share also for maybe a nervous
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  founder who is trying to start the next big nonprofit, who in 30 years is going to go
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  back to this episode and be like, wow, like what would you say to, to people like
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  that?
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  You're always working by the seat of your pants.
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  There is not one rule that's going to make it work.
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  There is not one way of being that's going to make it work.
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  If you have that idea, go with it.
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  I mean, really, you know, it's, it's like I'm amazed at some of our guests who have come
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  up with different things that they've seen because of their experience.
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  No, I tell any new founder to go for it.
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  And I, and I do think this retiring time in my life has taught me a lot too.
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  You know, women don't often retire, not, not from careers.
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  You know, they, they're, this is a new age for women to have had a long career and retire.
• 25:52
  Men always do 65, I'm going to retire, I'm looking forward to this, what do women do?
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  And I'm really learning a lot from other professionals who have retired and how they continue
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  to be involved in the world, but not working so very hard.
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  I think we seldom give ourselves enough credit for what we can do and we never give ourselves
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  or almost never permission to do nothing.
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  What's next?
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  What are you going to do?
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  You wake up?
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  I don't know.
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  Wake up the next morning.
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  I think my immediate, my immediate response has been sleep.
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  I just want to rest for a little bit.
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  And then I'm, then I'm going to go play and decide what it is that is important for me
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  to talk about or to be part of.
• 26:52
  Well, it goes without saying that you have been a critical part in the fabric of not
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  just Houston's life, but Texas life and all these countless families that you've helped
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  because of your vision and Dr. Dixie's vision in all these years.
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  And thank you for letting me and my scrappy team be a small part in that and that.
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  You've been a big part of the roses life.
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  Don't minimize it.
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  Okay.
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  I won't.
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  All right.
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  Thank you so much for being a part of the podcast.
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  Thank you.