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Matthew McConaughey _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _625(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a legendary actor, author, thought leader, just
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  Speaker 1: a real vibe curator. He has a new book out
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  Speaker 1: called Poems and Prayers. We had a great time down
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  Speaker 1: here in Austin getting to know each other. Today's guest
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  Speaker 1: is Mr. Matthew McConaughey.
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  Speaker 2: Shine on me and I will find Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much, Matthew. Nice to meet you, man.
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  Speaker 1: You too, bud.
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  Speaker 2: Where are you from?
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  Speaker 1: I'm from Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: Which part?
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  Speaker 1: I'm from Covington, Louisiana, down there, about 40 miles north
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  Speaker 1: of New Orleans.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I love Louisiana, where the weeds grow a little
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  Speaker 2: taller and the chassis is just a touch looser. But
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  Speaker 2: my family, my dad's mother, the Maitlands, had a school
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  Speaker 2: in Morgan City, so we would go to Morgan City
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  Speaker 2: every year for the Shrimp Festival. My dad grew up later,
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  Speaker 2: lived in a city park outside of New Orleans. And
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  Speaker 2: my best friend, who's since passed away, was from Zachary, Louisiana.
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  Speaker 2: And I've always— I was raised in East Texas, so that
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  Speaker 2: Louisiana humidity bleeds over a little bit over the border there,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. It's like somebody just exhaling a big— hit a
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  Speaker 1: cigarette smoke over there.
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  Speaker 2: We used to hit Hirsch Coliseum, man, because you could
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  Speaker 2: drink at 18 and get over there for— my first concert
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  Speaker 2: was rat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that?
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  Speaker 1: R-A-T-T?
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  Speaker 2: R-A-T-T, man. Yeah, dude. Laying down round and round.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And I'd go to WWE matches over there.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, you were in the best place for wrestling. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I got kicked out of Hirsch Coliseum twice. You got
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  Speaker 2: kicked out of it two times? Two times, which is
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  Speaker 2: tough to do.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But if you spit a loogie on King Kong Bundy
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  Speaker 2: when he's coming to the ring, yes, they will try
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  Speaker 2: to kick you out, but then— You get kicked out,
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  Speaker 2: and there is a window on the exterior of Hirsch
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  Speaker 2: here that goes to one of the bathrooms from which
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  Speaker 2: I snuck back in. And then I had a hidden
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  Speaker 2: bag of rotten tomatoes, and I pelted Skandar Akbar.
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  Speaker 4: From the stands. And got kicked out again. That's awesome, dude.
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  Speaker 4: They should have paid you for being there. You're helping
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  Speaker 4: from the crowd. Bring up Skandar Akbar.
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  Speaker 1: There he is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: God.
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  Speaker 2: Remember, that was the bad guy at that time.
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  Speaker 1: Always, dude. They always had that little kind of cheeky
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  Speaker 1: bad guy, you know? We had Kevin Von Eric on here.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there we go.
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  Speaker 1: And that was pretty special, man. Yeah, that's cool. I
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  Speaker 1: loved wrestling at that time.
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  Speaker 2: It was so fun, man. Hacksaw Jim Duggan was my guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I'm out with a two by four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I saw him. I went to Hulk Hogan's funeral.
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  Speaker 1: And Hacksaw was there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there we go.
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  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool, man. All my heroes were there.
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  Speaker 1: Like I had figurines of them at home and the
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  Speaker 1: figurines are taller these days. And half of them are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of guys like in wheelchairs. It was kind
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  Speaker 1: of tough to see. Cause you see like just the,
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  Speaker 1: the remnants of these heroes, kind of like the stained
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  Speaker 1: statues in a way, you know, it was pretty, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it was magnificent and weird, you know, it's like, it
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  Speaker 1: was beautiful and sad. It's like, you almost want to
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  Speaker 1: pretend that things are just in a certain place and time,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Your book kind of goes into some stuff
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  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Were you an Evil Knievel fan? I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get into him much. We'd see him, like, I
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  Speaker 1: think I saw him do one jump, but that might
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  Speaker 1: have been just a touch before I was, like, kind
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  Speaker 1: of awake to the world.
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  Speaker 2: I got into him because my brother turned me on
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  Speaker 2: to my older brother, Pat. Anyway, he was just thinking about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, fallen heroes and icons that, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: got to know him later in his life.
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  Speaker 1: Evil? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Got to know him pretty doggone well, man. I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to, you know, there's still a story out there
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  Speaker 2: to be told on him, a movie to be made.
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  Speaker 2: And I was around it, developing it for 25 years.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, there we are, spoke at his funeral.
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  Speaker 1: No way, that's so cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of guy was he?
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, you know, he did not, people, the misconception
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  Speaker 2: are like he had a death wish. He didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a death wish. He had a life wish, dude. He was,
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  Speaker 2: as he said, He needed to jump because he needed
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  Speaker 2: to sweat in his boots. It was almost like, I think,
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  Speaker 2: when he got on the bike and put his hands
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  Speaker 2: on the handlebar, I think his pulse went down. Meaning,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's certain boxers that get the shit beat
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  Speaker 2: out of them, and they're like, dude, you're taking four
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  Speaker 2: fights a year. It's too many. And they're like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I have to. My life outside when I don't have.
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  Speaker 2: to train or get ready for a fight. It's tougher
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  Speaker 2: on me. It's too scary.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of guys say that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think he would always say like, hey, he
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't postpone any jump, even if it was impractical, even
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  Speaker 2: if his engineer was like, dude, you're not going to
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  Speaker 2: make it. He was like, well, the American people want,
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  Speaker 2: and they paid their tickets, and they're going to show
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  Speaker 2: up on time. We're going to do this. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think part of that for him, my opinion is
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  Speaker 2: that he was like, no, I have to jump.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I can't postpone these things.
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  Speaker 1: Well, also to have that level of integrity with time itself,
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  Speaker 1: with the clock of life, right? To be like, because
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  Speaker 1: I'll postpone things. I'll feed you. I'll be 10 minutes late.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be 15, 20. But to say, to tell time,
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  Speaker 1: to tell existence, I'm going to be there and meet
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  Speaker 1: existence right there, that's pretty ballsy. I mean, these days
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  Speaker 1: it's super ballsy, but yeah. I mean, I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a ballsy thing for anybody to do. But he was
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  Speaker 1: like Red Bull before they made a damn liquid. Remember?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he was. Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: People would tune in to feel something. All the extreme sports,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: I remember people just in the yard, if he was
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  Speaker 1: going to jump one night, they'd have people out in
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  Speaker 1: the yard fucking drinking Dr. Pepper and fucking just massaging
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  Speaker 1: each other's shoulders. Pull it. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing, you know what happened, what got kind
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  Speaker 2: of sad, but it's just true, towards the end of
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  Speaker 2: his career, and I saw this happen with his son
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  Speaker 2: at a jump too, is, People started, first came, wow,
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  Speaker 2: he made the jump.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Then it became like, I'm coming for the wreck. I'm
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  Speaker 2: coming for the crash. And I've been to jumps where,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because he always come out first, right? There's
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  Speaker 2: the ramp. Here we go. Oh, he's just bypassing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You got a little tease.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You got to do a couple of runarounds to get
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  Speaker 2: everyone going. Get the brawl off a little. And then
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  Speaker 2: he's getting the crowd going up and they're all just,
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  Speaker 2: you know, pulling down. Here we go. And then he
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  Speaker 2: does it. Boom. And soon as he lands and makes it,
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  Speaker 2: it's almost like I saw so many people like, oh, shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Stomp the cigarette out. Throw that Dr. Pepper in the
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  Speaker 2: trash can and leave. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Dang it.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Good for him, but yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, but he made a, he was a legendary cowboy, man.
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  Speaker 1: Let's look at one of these. This is Caesar's Palace.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, and he created this. He called, he was in
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  Speaker 2: a motel and called the head of Caesars, all right,
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  Speaker 2: and said, hey, my name's, you know, Bobby Bernstein. I'm
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  Speaker 2: with ABC Wide World of Sports. I hear this guy,
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  Speaker 2: Evel Neville, is going to jump your fountain. And they're like,
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  Speaker 2: what are you talking about? I don't remember Evel Neville.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. Hung up the phone.
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  Speaker 2: Called back. Another voice impersonated, I'm with the wide world
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  Speaker 2: of sports. Name's Bob Knott. I hear this evil Neville's
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  Speaker 2: going to. He did it like three times. And finally,
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  Speaker 2: the guy on the other end of Caesars was like,
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  Speaker 2: who the hell is this evil Neville, evil Neville guy?
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  Speaker 2: Find him.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And they ended up calling back. Evil answers his own
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  Speaker 2: as evil and goes, yeah, I'll do it. and worked
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  Speaker 2: out the door, but he created that jump. And this
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  Speaker 2: jump is, look at the violence after it. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: jumps found, and look at the crash, man. Boom, here
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  Speaker 2: we go, oh shit. Oh, can we talk impact?
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  Speaker 1: Bro, that's, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: There ain't no smoke and mirrors with that, man.
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  Speaker 1: There ain't no mattress that's going to fix that. No, sir.
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  Speaker 1: There ain't no posture.
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  Speaker 2: That ain't AI. You didn't fix that in post to
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  Speaker 2: make it look worse. Oh, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was just something like, there was something special
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  Speaker 1: about that time where it was like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: the moment meant so much more. You know, there was something,
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  Speaker 1: there used to be something about the past that the
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  Speaker 1: moment you couldn't copy it or you couldn't record it. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why those times, you talk about some
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  Speaker 1: of this in your book, man, and it's like about
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  Speaker 1: time and like, God, like the moment of when I
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  Speaker 1: was a kid or sitting there laughing with my friends,
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  Speaker 1: like the moment was so much more real because you
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  Speaker 1: were never going to get it again.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And you didn't, you couldn't necessarily record it and you
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  Speaker 2: sure as hell couldn't share it. There's a study on this, man.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to say it's like
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  Speaker 2: 20 years ago or 25. The moment, was the biggest
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  Speaker 2: dopamine rush. The jump, the cresting of the mountain, the
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  Speaker 2: pulling off whatever you tried to pull off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Scientifically measured, the biggest dopamine hit. Cameras and mobile devices
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  Speaker 2: and stuff come out. It slowly turned to the recording
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  Speaker 2: of the moment, the snapshot, okay? Not the cresting of
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  Speaker 2: the hill, but we just recorded it. The ownership of
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  Speaker 2: the moment. The ownership of the moment, right? And then
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  Speaker 2: what has happened now, and it's been around for 25 years,
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  Speaker 2: the biggest scientific dopamine hit that we get as humans
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  Speaker 2: is not the doing of the deed, is not the
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  Speaker 2: recording of the deed. It is when we press share.
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Now that's a little bit like living in third person.
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  Speaker 2: Like we're all running around going, my rush is not
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  Speaker 2: when I run for a touchdown. My rush is when
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  Speaker 2: I see myself on the jumbotron running for the touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: And that's a slippery slope, man. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's slippery, but it also seems hard to even
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  Speaker 1: conceptualize who I am then, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Am I myself? Am I just a viewer of myself now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. We're much more voyeurs now. And our
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  Speaker 2: identity comes from being objective, trying to look at ourself
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  Speaker 2: from outside. And now it comes from, well, what did
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  Speaker 2: you think of what I did?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's the worst. What did you think of
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  Speaker 1: what I did?
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  Speaker 2: That will be my definition of who I am. We
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  Speaker 2: got to watch that.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, my sponsor tells me, he's like, you're not who
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  Speaker 1: they think you are. You're not who you are. And
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  Speaker 1: you're not who you think they think you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I messed it up or not.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I hear what you're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. He's like, but yeah, it's just interesting how that.
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  Speaker 2: Especially with these kids these days, man. It's hard enough
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  Speaker 2: as adults.
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  Speaker 1: But I think as adults, we put our thought process
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  Speaker 1: onto them. And I think they live in a different
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  Speaker 1: world and realm that we kind of can't conceptualize because
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  Speaker 1: they don't seem as affected as, you know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: And it's hard to even know.
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  Speaker 2: No, I hear you.
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  Speaker 1: But I hear what you're saying too. It's like.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be a dinosaur either. I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to be a dinosaur dad. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to be one of those when my
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  Speaker 2: kids are going, geez, yeah, it sounds like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: give it another TED Talk from back in the, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But I hear you because there's some things that they're
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  Speaker 2: just with. It's just part of their vernacular. This thing's
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  Speaker 2: an extension of their arm, that kind of sharing and socializing.
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  Speaker 2: What do you mean? That's like having a conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going, I could say what I was, you
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  Speaker 2: and I were just talking about it because they could
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  Speaker 2: understand it. They would go, okay, but. That's not how
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Right. I mean, it's all kind of, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: all fascinating. I mean, even we were talking about like,
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  Speaker 1: I just got back from the Ole Miss game. I
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  Speaker 1: know you were at. It was fun.
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  Speaker 2: You guys were rolling, man. And Lane's doing a great
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  Speaker 2: job of keeping y'all mentally in the right spot with
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  Speaker 2: all this noise about him going to Florida or elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He big boyed it. He big boyed it.
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  Speaker 1: Look, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Meaning he didn't go the traditional, no, it's not true.
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  Speaker 2: We want to keep the noise out. He went. I
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  Speaker 2: got this noise. Y'all got this noise because we're winning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is the noise that's out there. He's talking to
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  Speaker 2: those young men like an adult who's up with the times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's going, this is part of it, man.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This is part of it. And we're doing it because
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  Speaker 2: we're doing good. So let's do as well as we
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  Speaker 2: can right now and keep winning. It's a great message
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  Speaker 2: because your players are going, they get it now. I
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  Speaker 2: think these players get the portals. You're probably not going
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  Speaker 2: to be playing with the same guys for, Three years straight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Four years straight. There's you can transfer in season. You
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  Speaker 2: can go here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's two portals now, I think, aren't there?
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  Speaker 1: Aren't there two portals during the season? And I'm actually
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  Speaker 1: a I'm a Vanderbilt fan, but my but I'm friends
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  Speaker 1: with Lane.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I grew up as an LSU fan.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes people are like, sometimes they'll be like, well,
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  Speaker 1: you're a fair weather fan or something. I'm like, but
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  Speaker 1: now like you're saying, there's kind of like fair weather
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  Speaker 1: franchises in a way. It's like they're changing players so
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  Speaker 1: much and things and that, and they expect you to
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  Speaker 1: lock in like my dad did or like I did
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  Speaker 1: when we were kids. It's like if you buy a jersey,
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  Speaker 1: the guy's gone. Things change so much. So I think
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting some of the expectations sometimes out of fans.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's harder to create. As an organization, as a team,
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  Speaker 2: as a school, as that, oh, this is our brand
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  Speaker 2: of football. Last one to do it in the pros
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  Speaker 2: was what? New England. No matter who came and went,
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  Speaker 2: it was Belichick's way of football. It was Tom Brady, quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Robert Kraft is on. There was a certain way. Remember
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  Speaker 2: people would come to, studs would come to, big names
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  Speaker 2: would come to New England and there wasn't a lot
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  Speaker 2: of press about them and all of a sudden next
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  Speaker 2: week you're like, oh, they got dropped. It wasn't a big,
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  Speaker 2: no big fanfare. It was like, you didn't play our way? That's,
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  Speaker 2: You're kind of gone.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: We're good if you're not our way. Our way is
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  Speaker 1: our way. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So now when you're plugging in so many players, and
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  Speaker 2: we're going through this with Austin FC, our soccer club,
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  Speaker 2: do we have a brand of what they call futsbo, soccer,
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  Speaker 2: that you, this is how we play. Coaches and players
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  Speaker 2: can be plugged into our system. It's harder to do
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  Speaker 2: because players are moving around. We got a chance to
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  Speaker 2: get this stud player. Well, if he's a running option quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and we've been running traditional offense, which is drop back,
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  Speaker 2: Be dumb not to update the way we play offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Or whatever that is. But
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  Speaker 2: you have– yeah. How much are the expectations for the
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  Speaker 2: brand of how people play football at certain schools?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: What's the brand? Who has a brand of this is
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: how you play? It's a great question. I mean– In
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: college football. This is how we play the expectations of
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: how– maybe the brand– maybe the cultures are similar. And
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: you have– this is an understood whether it's– aggressive violent
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: or or finesse whatever whatever that is or we're gonna
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: have a great defense right no matter what i uh.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Well saban had one kind of saban felt like he
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: had it he did i feel like sarkeesian is a
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: guy that is very much he is the boss there
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: you know there's an energy there with him that is
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: very cut and dried yep um you know but yeah
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: when i was growing up it was like pittsburgh kind
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: of had the defense you know baltimore had a defense
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: there was a toughness about those places You had San
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Francisco that was always a great passing attack. Yeah, I
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: don't know. I guess like– Yeah.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: If you have Earl Campbell back there for Houston or
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: you have– what's the guy for big boy out of
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Alabama for Baltimore?
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, Derrick Henry.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: If you have them, you've gone, okay, we're going to
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: be a running team.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Did you ever hear that
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: bum Phillips quote on Earl Campbell? I don't know unless
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: y'all remember Earl Campbell out of the Tyler Rose. Oh, yeah.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: He played for Dallas too, didn't he, or no?
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: No, Houston. He played for Houston. Yeah, the Oilers at
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: that time.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: The Oilers ended up in Tennessee. That's where I live now.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: They ended up in Nashville.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: So they would give, Bum Phillips was the coach, and
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: he would give Earl the ball like 35 times a game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: And the reports started coming out going, man, are you
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: worried about the wear and tear on Earl giving him
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: the ball that often? Bum says, No, not really. That
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: ball ain't that heavy.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, dude. Well, you used to have just so
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: many good personalities. There's a Jim Mora talking to reporters.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Will you look it up? Saints, Jim Mora.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Playoffs.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: This is even before that. Oh, it is? Oh, yeah, bro.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Wait till you see this. He's talking about his team.
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, playoffs. He was great, man. Watch this. Listen
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: to this. This is crazy.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: Jim, obviously you're not happy. Oh, we got our ass kicked.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: We got our ass kicked.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: It was sickening.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: We have 18 plays on offense. First 18 plays, we
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: turn the ball over, one for a touchdown. The other
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: one's going to set up a touchdown. We got backs
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: that can't hang on to the ball. They out-hit us.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: They out-toughed us.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: We stunk today.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Not even close between that football team and our football team.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Not even close.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: We run two screens. We don't block anybody. We get
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: a back, gets his knee blown out on one of them.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Couldn't block anybody. We stunk.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Just stunk.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: Dean told me he blew his knee out.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: You know, you've got to block people on a screen.
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: Shady gets the ball out there, and two guys, big
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: old animals nail his ass.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Shit.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. We run a screen before that, and we
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: get our ass nailed.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: What about scales, Coach? I don't know.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: You know, Dean said he couldn't put any weight on
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: his leg. That didn't sound too good to me. We're down,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: you know, we're down in fact, we're down in everything. We, we, we,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: you know, shit, we don't have enough people right now.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: It'll be hard to practice next week.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: There's not many of them out there. I mean, you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I miss my friend Mike Leach watching that.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: You know, that guy.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, that guy was great. What was he at Oklahoma state?
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Texas tech.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, Texas tech. Cliff Kingsbury country.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Have you heard the one amount after they win? Players
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: sitting out there in the river on a blanket.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: With fat little girlfriends.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, bring up Mike Leach's fat little girlfriends. Listen to this.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Telling them how great they are. Yeah, that's so true.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: This guy's classic.
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: As coaches, we failed to make our coaching points and
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: our points more compelling than their fat little girlfriends. Their
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: fat little girlfriends have some obvious advantages. For one thing,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: their fat little girlfriends are telling them what they want
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: to hear, which is how great you are and how
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: easy it's going to be and how, you know, we
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: had a whole bunch of people. Everybody wanted to win
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: the football game, but nobody wanted to play the football game.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: That defies every level of work ethic that exists with
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: regard to football. As coaches, we have to solve our
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: failure on reaching them. And the players have to listen.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: And I'm willing to go to fairly amazing lengths to
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: try to make that happen. I don't know if I'll
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: be successful this week or not. But, you know, I
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: am going to try. And there will be some people
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: inconvenienced if it happens to be their fat little girlfriends.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's what we need. People need to be
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: brave enough to have a personality these days. Right. It's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting, you know? But check this out. Mm-hmm.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Because I'm with you. That's entertaining. It's smart. It's an
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: inside look. It's frank. It's open. People call it politically incorrect.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Forget all that. It's in the moment. It's great hearing
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: somebody be honest in the moment with some color. But
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: I also look at people like a great franchise. Bill
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Belichick says nothing. Do your job. Do your job. That's it.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Great coach of the Spurs. Popovich.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Pop.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Cuts off interview.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Uh-uh.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: No.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: You saw it. Thank you. Bam. So there is something
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that they keep noise out because they don't give any
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: color commentation.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: And is there something about that that is a stability
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: within a franchise that your head coach... is going to
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: handle all that color behind closed doors. Or just stay
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: on that line. Keep it super simple. Do your job.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Do your job. You didn't do your job, you're out.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Going to get someone in that can do your job.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I know it's much more complicated than that. They're running
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: X's and O's and everything. But this is another question.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And look, in college football, which is why I like
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: college more than pro.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So much.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: So, our great legendary Texas coach, Darrell K. Royal, told
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: me one time, he goes, Matt, you can get The
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: maximum potential out of your team, three Saturdays a season,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: I believe it was number three Saturdays out of a season.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: So at that time you had 10, so you got
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: 12 now. So now maybe you say you can get four. Boy,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: there's an awesome black hole there to fill for the psychology.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: That's all psychology. Yeah, for sure. Because you hope you have,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: you coach to have your team at peak, for one
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of those peak three weekends against the best teams. And
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: then you hope they'll just play kind of all right
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: against the all right competition and then have their worst
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: days against competition. They should beat anyway. They should just roll. But, boy,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: if three, I'm still curious. What if you got a
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: coach right now? If you could get six top peak
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: performance Saturdays, seven? I mean, because I'm asking for three hours.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I'm asking for 36 hours a season. for you to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: be mentally, physically, and spiritually on the edge and locked in.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: There's an opportunity there. Is that what I'm saying? Oh, 100%.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And for somebody to even see that there is an
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: opportunity there, right? Because sometimes you might just look at
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: life and be like, well, there's going to be highs
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: and lows, right? Like you can have a great team,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: but yeah, you're not going to win every single time.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So it's like those moments where you've had two great
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: weeks in a row and like now the spread is 17,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: but it's like, no, you– that's not the laws of life, right?
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: So how do you adjust? What's realistically possible to weather
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: that storm of that third weekend where it's just the
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: laws of the universe are not gonna allow it to
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: be as perfect.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And balance how much, look, sometimes you need, your team
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: needs confidence. You know, I remember talking to Mack Brown
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: at practice After we, I don't know, 20-something years ago,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: we'd just come off like, I don't know, a 45-nothing
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: route to UCLA.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Beat them?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: No, they routed us. We were not good. And that
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Tuesday practice or that Monday practice, it was like a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: completion for two yards, a clean handoff that went for
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: two yards. We got to applaud that. I was like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: we're going to applaud that. It was like, man, I've
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: got the team. We need good clean handoffs. and a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: reception and a clean pass that wasn't intercepted. We have
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to build the confidence back up. So sometimes you're there.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Other times you have such talent and they're so confident.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: How do you keep them playing? No, I'm not worried
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: about your confidence. I need to make sure you feel
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: like an underdog against yourself, against the ability that you
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: can play to. Because great teams are essentially playing against
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: themselves and how great they think they can be. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that opponent is nothing but in my way.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: To me being as great as I can be. And that's,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: if you got that working, if you can flick that
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: switch in you, howdy. Howdy.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: In your own life, because this is something I think
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: about a lot. I think about confidence and ego, right?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And I've always had a tough time kind of, I've
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: always had a tough time knowing what my feelings are.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Like when I was growing up, I didn't have a
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: lot of feelings, I think. And so I didn't know
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: what a lot of them were.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And then as I've gotten older, it's like.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: You didn't have feelings or when you had feelings, you
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: just didn't know what the hell.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: They were about. I didn't know what they were. So
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell if I was like, have like instincts
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: or uncertain, like, like what was like, like when it
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: was making decisions, I couldn't tell what was instinctual or
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: what was me making a choice. Just, I just had a, like,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I just didn't have a lot of feelings when I
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: was young. And so it was kind of like a
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: late bloomer in some of those worlds. But one of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: the things I struggle with sometimes still is just like
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: ego and confidence. You know what I'm saying? Because one
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: can be super dangerous. One is healthy.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Well, look, man, I think ego's gotten a bad rap. This,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you know, elimination of the ego. You know, there's a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: difference to going, I have confidence. I have confidence. than
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: there is, oh, look at me. The difference is I
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: am me. Me is the objective one, right? Me is
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: that jumbotron, the lawyer one where you're going like, oh yeah,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: how do I look? I look good. There's where I
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: get my confidence from something I saw myself outside of myself.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Confidence with the I, which I think is true ego
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: when we handle it right, is I think extremely healthy.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: It mean, man, it's like judgment. You gotta have judgment
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: or you have no identity. And where do you get
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: judgment from? Well, part of that, I believe, is part
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: of the ego of I am discerning because I prefer
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: this over that. I expect this more than I expect that.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Experiences.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: You know, for myself or from others. Now, ego can
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: get out of check when it gets into the look
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: at me. Yeah. But when it's coming from the subjective
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: place of like, no, I'm prepared for this. This is
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: what I'm fashioned to do. I have the ability. I'm
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: capable and I'm willing. I'm going to do that. And
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: no one's going to judge myself harder than I'm going
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to judge myself because I believe what I am capable
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of doing. I mean, look, I wrote about this in
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Greenlight since a little bit in Poems and Prayers. These men,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: these roofs, these limitations we put on ourself, we make
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: those up. That's a cocky ass thing to do. Who
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: do we think we are?
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: To put limitations on us.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: To put these roofs on our ability if we have
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that ability. Now we get into what's humility. Humility, which
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: is a word I had trouble with because growing up,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: especially in religion, humility I always kind of cowered. My
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: shoulders came forward. My head kind of got down. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how to have confidence with humility. How
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: do you have confidence and be humble? And then I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: heard a new definition. of humility or being humble, admitting
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: that we have more to learn. Now, that definition, all
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, my shoulders backed up. My head went,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I said, oh, I can dig that. I'm in. I
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: have more to learn.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Because that's an act of humility.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Now I'm going forward. It's affirmative. I can still be graceful,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: still be empathetic and listen, but I'm not.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And it's retreating.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not being passive. I think we've got to have.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: A healthy ego. Empowering and empowering taking on of knowledge
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and admitting you have more to learn.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was a freeing. Sometimes a definition of a
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: word for me, like, oh, I never thought of it
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: that way. Now I understand it. Sometimes it takes 40.
• 28:01
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• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:04
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• 28:08
  Speaker 2: You better be humble. I was like, yeah. I'd cow
• 28:11
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• 28:15
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• 28:16
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• 28:21
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• 28:23
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• 28:26
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• 28:35
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• 31:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's all like having some awareness about yourself,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: but try not to be too crazy where you're sitting
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: there just thinking about yourself all the time.
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It's all like, it's all pretty fascinating, man. I mean,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of good stuff in this book.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of some of the parts that
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I really liked. You write that courage is often one
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: more step.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: In the right direction.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: And you talk about that in marriage, faith, and character.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I thought that that was pretty interesting because, yeah,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: there's times where I stall. That's where I stall sometimes.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I stall with that, like, I don't know what this
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: is going to be like. I don't know what this
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: is going to feel like. I already don't like the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: feeling of this, right? It happens to me a lot
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: with like commitment and relationships and stuff. it happens to
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: me a lot and like try not to control the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: outcome of, of like even a moment, right? Like, God,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: I just, you know, to have a little bit of
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: courage there to be like, well, let's see what this, right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: What would one step more take me deeper into debt
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: or am I gonna, or is it gonna, am I
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: going to power through and get to the other side
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: of it and go.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: I stuck with it. Now I see it. Now I
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: see the light. I like this. I'm, It's a really
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: interesting measurement I think we always got to do, man.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I try to measure like there's no fear.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I was always like, what do you mean no fear?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff I fear. There's a lot
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: of stuff I think we all should fear. It's what
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: things do we go, no, but I'm going to have
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: the courage to go. I'm overcoming that fear. But there's
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: good and there's bad fears. Meaning like if I'm reading
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: a script and I kind of like the script, but man,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure about the director and this financing doesn't
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: have enough money behind it. Can we really make this
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: a good movie? And I'm not going to be, I'm
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: kind of scared of that. I think maybe, okay, maybe
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: that's a healthy fear you got there, McConaughey, because the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: pedigree around it may not be as excellent as you want.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: It to be.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: There's other times, I don't know, say where you see
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: a character, man, I like the directors on it, man.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: We got good financing behind us. Production value is going
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: to be good. The script's damn good. And I'm looking
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: at this character going, I am scared shitless about, How
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: am I going to pull this off? Well, okay. I
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: would subscribe that maybe that's a good fear that I
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: need to dive in and go, well, let's go find out.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: But don't back off of that one because that one,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: and then I'll see the movie two years later. I'm like, oh,
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: it was great. And look at that part that that
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: other guy got to play. And then I'm kicking myself going,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: you didn't have the huevos and the will to go
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: sit there and go find out? McConaughey, come on, man.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? So it's measuring the good
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: ones and the bad ones. You say you got a
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: bad feeling if you already have a bad feeling. Look,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: I do think this, man. My brother Rooster says this.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: He goes, man, if everybody only did what they love
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: to do, there'd be a whole lot of unemployment. Yeah.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I mean, sometimes it does suck,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: and you got to do some hard things. You're like, man,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not. This doesn't feel right. Now, does
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: it not feel right or do we just not like it?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: A lot of things I got to do that we
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: got to do that we don't like to do to
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: get to the other side and go, well, you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: especially as we get older, we got things that we've
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: invested in. family and friends and relationships, our own self.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Those are some fires that we've been putting logs on
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: for a while. And it can be hard sometimes to
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: sit there and keep tending those fires or keep tending
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: those gardens we're talking about, right? On our own soul.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: But you sit there and you go, I believe that
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: if I do the hard work now and break this
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: sweat and draw some blood to make this work, which sucks.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the other side. It's a
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: sacrifice I'm willing to take to get to the other
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: side and go, oh, there we go. All right, there
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: we go. Now I can sleep better. Now I can
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: wake up going, yep, I'm still connected to what I
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: created in the past for myself. I did the next
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: right thing for myself. And it sucked. But damn it,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that's right there where I could have backed off and retreated.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I could have said, oh, I smell smoke. Going to
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: be fire. Well, sometimes it's like, no, it's smoke. Maybe
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: go put out the damn fire before it turns into one.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Or let's procure this fire a little bit, make a
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: little bit of barbecue for the future. Yeah.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. Well, I think also it's like it
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: creates linchpins in your life. Like some of those things
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: you're saying, like even like with family and stuff and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: being willing to do that, right? And be like, okay,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: this is a project that my wife and I, my
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: partner and I are going to create together. You know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: did you have fears about like that at certain points
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: in your life of like starting a family and committing
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to that and doing that?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Was that kind of tough? So look, the one thing,
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I always knew who I wanted to be was a dad.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Eight years old. Good story. So, you know, dad had
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: introduced me to a lot of his male friends through life. And,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you know, I'd shake their hand, look them in the eye,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and nice to meet you, sir. Sir, sir, sir was
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a big thing in our family. And I remember I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was eight years old. We were in an Oak Forest
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Country Club parking lot. Hello, Longview, Texas. And I met
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: these two men. They were both in black slacks, white shirts,
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: and black jackets. And one of them had shades on.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And as I was shaking their hands, I remember the
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: sunlight was behind me. It was kind of in my eyes.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, nice to meet you, sir. Nice to
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: meet you, sir. It hit me in my eight-year-old mind
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: at that time that, oh, and they were talking about their,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: they started talking about their own children. And it hit
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: me in my eight-year-old mind that, oh, all the people
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I've shaken, all that my dad's introduced me to, that
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I shook their hands and said, sir, to were fathers.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: And in my eight-year-old mind, I went, oh, that's how
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: you succeed in life. And it, you know, whether I'm
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: malapropter or that was the meaning I gave it, it was,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: it stuck with me. And it was, it was always
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: been my measurement of what successful life would be as
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: a man to become a father and to then help
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: raise kids. So I knew I always wanted to be
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: a father. Now, then you get to, can you, you know,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: meet a woman that you're in love with and that,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: you know, is going to be a great mother, you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: to them. I fortunately did. met that woman in Camilla. So, but,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: but we didn't get married right off the bat. We were,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: and maybe this is because my mom and dad were
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: married three times, divorced twice. And her mom and dad
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: were married two times and divorced three times. So we
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: had a track record for reason to go like, yeah, yeah,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: a whole lot. So we're rolling along, man. And saying,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: it's going great. And we don't want to get married.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Cause that's just what you're supposed to do. I don't
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: want to back into it because someone goes, legally, it's wrong,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: but no, bullshit. I want to want to. And I
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: didn't really want to. I wasn't against it, but her
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: and I were like, we're doing good. We have our
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: first child. Or let me go back to nine months
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: before we have our first child. I come home, and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: there's cheeseburgers she's cooking on the grill. I smell them.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: She pours me a double of my favorite tequila. I
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: sit down, and she gives me a gift. I open
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: it up. It's the, what do you call it, the sonogram,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: whatever gram that is where you see in the belly
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: you got a baby and a fetus. She's pregnant. Oh,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: my gosh. Cry, tears, we hug it out. Oh, my God,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: this is so awesome, et cetera, et cetera. Let's call
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: my mom. Tell her the good news. I get my
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: phone out. Call mom. Camilla's sitting next to me. Mom,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: you there? We got some great news to tell you.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Got you on speakerphone. Can you hear? Camilla is here. Hi, Camilla. Hi, Ms. McConaughey.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: How are you? Mom, you there? You got to meet? Yeah, yeah,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I'm listening. I can't wait. Tell me, tell me, tell me. Mom,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Camilla's pregnant.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Crickets. Crickets.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Our next thing here is, no, no, no, no, no, Matthew.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: This is out of order. I didn't raise you to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: do this. No, Matthew. You're supposed to be married and
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: went on and on and on in a five-minute monologue
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and then hung up. And I stop, I look over
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: at Camille and she looks at me and we're like,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: oh shit, that didn't go the way we hoped it would.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, let's top off that drink. You
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Woo, okay. 10 minutes later, the
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: phone rings. It's my mom. Yeah, I'm mom. She goes, hi, Matthew. Mom, speakerphone.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I go, I can put you on speakerphone.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Is Camille there? Yeah, she's right.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, Ms.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: McConaughey.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Can y'all both hear me? Yeah, we hear you, mom.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: We hear you, Ms. McConaughey.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Um, I would like to put some white out over
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: that last round. I was being selfish thinking about myself.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: If you two are happy about it, I should be
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: happy for you. It's not my place to be unhappy.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: So we had two children before we got married. But yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, the big project, you know, as far
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: as I can tell, the one that's non-negotiable, that's the thing.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Can we find non-negotiable projects? There we go.
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: Nope.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: When I'm lost and don't know what the hell I'm doing.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: or I'm looking for my North Star, what are some
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: things in our life that we can look at and go,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: if I concentrate on that, I can't go wrong. Sometimes
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: that's just it. I still have it now. Maybe I
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: don't know what new things I want to do, and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: when I'm kind of lost and wobbly, I'll try to
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: look at the things that I go, like family, like fatherhood,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: like the marriage, and go, if you work on that, McConaughey,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: you can't bogey. You may not eagle the hole, but
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: you're not going to bogey. And you definitely ain't going
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: to hit one out of bounds. You can't spend too
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: much time on that in your spare time. And then
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: that'll help you spiritually, heart and head. And so I
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: try to go to the non-negotiables when I'm like, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: then when things are going well, that's another thing. I
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: love to accomplish it, man. I love to go work
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm going, all of a sudden I'm hitting the road.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: I'm all over the place. how do I keep my
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: marriage and my fatherhood out of the debit section?
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: How do I, you know, cause I'm don't have the
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: time as much time. That's another challenge when things are
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: going well personally, you know, to take care of those non-negotiables.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think a lot, like if
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, I try and yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: Like it's always like help others, you know, like that's
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: the thing, like that's probably been the thing that's been
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: most helpful in my life. If I don't know what
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to do whenever, you know, um, It's trying to help others.
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: Think of somebody else. Call somebody else. See what they're doing.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Get out of myself.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, heard, heard.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: There's like that prayer. It's like, God, I offer myself
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: to thee to build with me and do with me
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: as thou wilt. Relieve me of the bondage of self
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: and take away my difficulties so that, like... I don't
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: remember the end of.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: It right now. Leave me of the bondage to myself.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Leave me of it, off it.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Third step prayer it is. Yeah, offer myself to thee
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to build with me and do with me as thou wilt.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Relieve me of the bondage of thyself that I may
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: better do thy will. That's it.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: So it's just like, yeah, God, my problem is me
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: right now. I'm just so, I'm sitting here, I'm breaking
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: myself up and putting myself into a joint and smoking myself.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? I'm just getting high. There's
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: something here. And it can be a low point or
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: a high point though. That's the thing. Sometimes I think
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: it's like, I've thought it's just the lows, but it's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: like- Even if I get too high on myself, it's like,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that's not good either, you know?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Well, it keeps our pursuit not about that. It's talking
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: to the godliness within us, the more godlikeness in us
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: that we can be, that a lot of us are
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: striving to be. That pursuit is such a valuable pursuit,
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: you know, religious or not. To have a connection to
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: a creator, yeah, to not feel- That's higher.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: That you're not going to reach, but you're going.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, otherwise I would feel so homeless. I don't
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: want my soul to feel homeless, you know?
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people that feel very homeless.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: Well, you talk about just like your own like times
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: of faith and like how hard it, you know, it's
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: tough to keep that connection going, you know, and to
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: work on it more. It's tough.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: It takes maintenance, doesn't it?
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a lot of maintenance, man. That's probably
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: my biggest.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: That's where my ego will get out of control where
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden I start, I take for granted that,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't just pull it all off of my own.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And I start thinking I did. And I do the
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: math and go, like, I mean, I did. And all
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: of a sudden it's like, ooh, here comes humble pie
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: pretty soon.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I mean, that's a tough thing. I mean,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: having a relationship with our creator and giving ourselves, like saying, God,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, giving thanks, getting a good perspective for ourselves. Um,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: have you, has there been practices that you've used realistically
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: over the years? I'm sure once you have a family
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that, some of that starts to maybe
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: get more built into you. Um, but just because it's,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: there's a vision, there's a, there's an actual component that's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: right there alive. Yeah. But have you noticed for yourself, um, uh.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: There's a, having, having kiddos is in some ways are, are,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: how we become immortal if we're fortunate enough for them
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: to outlive us.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And if we're fortunate enough for them to have kids
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: and pass on a lineage. It's like you first have
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: a kid, you're like, I have helped create a being
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: that is outside of myself, but my blood is in them. Yeah.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: It's a certain way to immortality. And I don't mean
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: in the religious sense of, oh, if you live this way,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: you live forever because you get to the gates and
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the kingdom of heaven.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: But it is a mortal way of going, no, it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: kind of evolutionary-wise. It's a way to become immortal. And
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: I find there's a great power in that and a
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: great freedom and responsibility that comes with that because you're
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: shepherding your future self through your child or what you're,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: you know, for 18 years, so to speak, generally in
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the household before they go off into the world. So
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: you're taking care of yourself.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Right, in a weird way. Like a chunk of yourself.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: By taking care of your It's our greatest, children, I mean,
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: it's our greatest export. And it is the most closest thing,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: piece of art in the world that we'll ever put out.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know? Yeah, that's pretty fascinating.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: Do you and your family, do you have any traditions
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: that really mean a lot to you guys that you
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: have felt like have helped you establish more of a sense,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: like a familiar sense, like a team sense kind of?
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. My wife's better than my family ever
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: was on the actual rituals. I mean, my family's like,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: everyone come over for Thanksgiving. We're going. And it's like
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: swing by the pit and get some food while you're
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: at it. And we're going to sit down. Well, not
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: unless everyone wants to sit down. My wife's like, no,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I'm setting the table.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And we're sitting down and doing this. And we're going
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: to say prayers before and everyone's going to go around.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: That's one of the things we like to do. Call
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: it around the horn. Everybody, before we share something out loud,
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: something to think for.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Share it up. And at very least out there, it
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: at least makes the food taste better.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: At least. But it also is a great conversation starter
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: because you'll say things and a lot of people don't
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: like to share them out loud. And it'll start a
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: conversation with somebody that you didn't know. Why do you
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: say you're thankful for that thing? Oh, I didn't know
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: your grandmother just got out of the hospital. Oh, I
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: didn't know that you did good on that test last
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Tuesday and you're thankful for that. And it's a great
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: way to get a conversation started. We do. We practice that.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: We have dinner each night. It's a small ritual, but
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: in the busy worlds of today. It's huge. To have
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: that down and everyone comes in and you hear a
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: little bit about the day. And it's kind of like
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the team gets together. And I was talking to my kids.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: We were talking to kids about it the other day.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I was like, look, talk about these bonfires we have.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Our family, we're calling it a bonfire. Not a campfire. Bonfire,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: boys and girls. Let's go, man. This is non-negotiable. We
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: created it. We're on our way. We think we're doing
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: all right. Let's keep putting log wood on this fire.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But you three kiddos, you're responsible for going and chopping
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: wood here, too, and bringing the log back to the fire.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: It's not just me and your mama.
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: That are doing that. It takes, it's talking about back
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: to sports. We were in the very beginning. It's a
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: team effort here.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Y'all got to start adding that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: And take the, and take the, have the confidence yourself
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: that you do have a log to add to this fire.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I think encouraging your, like encouraging kids to think and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: feel like that. It's important, you know, because kids don't
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: know how to think and feel. I think there's like
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: this understanding that people just know what feelings are and
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: what's happening. And like, what their responsibility is as a
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: brother or a son. It's like a lot of that
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: stuff has to really be kind of instilled, I think.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I think you're right, because I'm guilty of giving the
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Cliff Notes version of things to a kid sometimes where
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: they're like, I think it's like, well, duh, you understand that,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like little things, man. How
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: do you wipe your butt? You know what I mean?
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: What's deodorant for? You know what I mean? Little things
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, duh. And like, no, how would I know?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're wiping your butt with deodorant, it's going
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: to burn.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: You know, how would I know? You know, things you've
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: got to let them know.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that extra step a lot of times. And
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: I think we think that kids are just adults sometimes.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Or they saw it somewhere, they picked it up.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, that they already know.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Because that's the other thing. You do find out a
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: lot of things that they did pick up that you
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: didn't know they knew.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Right, and then you start to be like, oh, well,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and you try to help them anyway, and they're like,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I already know this. So it's like, probably a little catch,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a catch-22.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: But there's a whole lot of things that, yeah, they
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: don't know. You know, it's, in our frame, one of
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: the things is, when are the kids ready for this
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: type of movie?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Or PG or an R or something. And I'm just,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and what content is in there? I just don't want...
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: There's some certain things in life about love, about violence,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: about all the ways of the world that I don't
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: necessarily want my kids to get it from an outside
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: piece of entertainment before they have a context of understanding
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: it from me and their mother.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Let them understand it. first before seeing it for the
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: first time and their emotions are going all over the
• 50:08
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• 50:10
  Speaker 2: it all means.
• 50:11
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• 50:11
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• 50:16
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• 50:19
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• 50:22
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• 50:24
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• 50:31
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• 50:33
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  Speaker 1: slash T-H-E-O. I was in, I was at Ole Miss, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's crazy. That guy's absolutely crazy, dude. He took
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: me to yoga class, right? He goes to this yoga class.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: I'm in there, right? And he, I think he's, he
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: has the heat on his phone. He's hijacked the heat
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: system and like this. So he's sitting over there.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Pumping up the heat?
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, just like.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Hot yoga?
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: Like Putin over there. Yeah. He's got it way hot though.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And he's fucking, he's even holding a lighter in there,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: like adding a little bit of heat to the room.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: But at one point he's like wandering around and just
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like saying things to people and whispering like affirmations.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Wait, is he, is he in the class or is
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: he teaching the class?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: He's in it. He's not the teacher. Okay. And the
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: teacher has like the microphone thing on and she's kind
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: of pointing at him every now and then. There's a
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: picture that we just put up yesterday from, and I
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: don't know if you can even see it. It might
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: be out there somewhere.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Can you raise it up a little bit? I can
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: only see his head. And this seems like a shot
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: you got to see out.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Okay. That's lame. But find the other photo too, if
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: you can, Nick. But he's, dude, he comes in, he
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: puts a peppermint in my mouth, dude. And his hand
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: kind of even touched my lips a little bit. And
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I don't even, I mean, we're both straight males, you know,
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, as a family, I hope to have a family,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: but he just like, I'm like, and I'm in there sweating, dying,
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: basically trying to look okay, you know? And sorry I
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: wear a towel like that. I was raised by a
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: single mom.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is you over on the right?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Is this post-peppermint?
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: It's post-peppermint, yeah. But, I mean, Lane is crazy, though, dude.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: He has these weird rituals and stuff in there, and he'll, like,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: bounce a golf ball. It's like people, it's like dead,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: and he'll bounce a golf ball across the, he's just
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: doing bizarre stuff in there.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Does he have a method to it? Is he doing
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: it for?
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: It is. It's just we, I can't. It's like he's
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: some sweat Moliere or something, you know? I don't know
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: what he's doing, but it's just amazing over there. But
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: he just always likes to be involved and causing, having
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: an effect, right? So that's what I noticed about him,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: and it's interesting, and it's fascinating.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Is he a trickster, or is he a sort of,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: as you said, he's just going to throw in some
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: color commentary on the situation. He's going to give a
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: different color.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: He's very colorful.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: But he's got a big heart. He'll make sure that
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: everything's taken care of. He's on top of everything, right?
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: But I think he likes to be very colorful and stuff.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: But we had a great time over there. Anyway, this
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: was just an experience that we had where he goes
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to these yoga class every single day, and he never misses.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: And it was just, yeah, it was a great experience.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I had to lay down for a little
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: while and some, The girl was like, do you need CPR?
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I don't fucking need CPR.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Just taking a rest.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just taking a rest with my eyes closed.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: You look like you went through it, man. You look like.
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I was laying there like this for a little
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: while because I wasn't doing really good. And yeah, I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: didn't black out, but I like light browned out or whatever.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: But it was like, I'm fine. But anyway, yeah. But
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: it was just fascinating over there, man, just to be
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: over there. And we got to walk through the, like
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: the walk thing. that they do up to the stadium,
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: and that was pretty crazy. I mean, yeah, they're just...
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: That fan base is pretty rabid. I didn't realize how
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: special it was over there in Oxford.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize. They got it going on right now, man.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got it going on. I think they're going
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: to make the CFP. I'm hoping Vanderbilt makes it in.
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they're going to.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Well, what did y'all... Y'all lost two?
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: We lost two, yeah.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: To us and to.
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: Alabama.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Alabama. All right, that ain't... But they need a big win,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: We need a big win.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Who do you got left?
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: We still have Tennessee... We have Kentucky next weekend, and
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: then we have Tennessee.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: All right. You clear those two. With a two-loss season,
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: you're most likely in. Well, look, we just have Sanford
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Stadium down in Georgia. Got it handed to us.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: You were down there at the UGA. What's that like
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: over there at Athens? I never remember between the hedges.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: It was great. It was?
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: I had never heard Sanford Stadium between the hedges as
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: being like one of the places. Whoa, it's really hard. Oh, yeah, man.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: was it 90,000? And those fans are in unison, man.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: And they had, I tell you what, I get to
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: measure stadiums, right, when I go to them. Like, what's
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the fan base?
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, it's amazing.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: How happy are they that I'm there compared to how
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: much did they like, F you, McConaughey, we're going to
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: get it, you know what I mean?
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: And this crowd was loud from the beginning. especially that
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: first half, and then the second half when they started
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: to boat roll, they were still really– but they were
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: one of the higher decibels that I've heard. But they
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: were continuous is the thing, especially any time that we
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: were on offense. But the– because you get crowds that
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: are in unison. They know the chance.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Auburn does a good job of that, being in unison. Yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: It's a big thing. You can have 30,000 more people,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: but if you, if, if, if the rituals and the
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: cheers aren't in unison, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: as intimidating at all. Um, and yeah, they were happy
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: I was there, but they were also giving me straight
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: horns down and going, we're going to whip your tonight,
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So it was a good,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: it was a good, uh, it was a, healthy hate
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: they have.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Because I've been to some,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: some visiting.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: And they get a little edgy?
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, I got some, and I won't say their
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: names on that. I got some that, dude, I'm dodging loogies.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You're dodging those tomatoes you were throwing at her.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: here we go. Okay, and I've been to others.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: They're like, it's time to kill us now, buddy.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Whatever, you know. And then I've been to some where
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: it's like, They're too nice to me. I'm like, uh-oh,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: y'all are in trouble.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: Dude, how great is it, though? Is there anything better
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: than being a college football fan? I don't know if
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: there is. It's great.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: And the SEC is one of the best forms of
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: tribalism in the world.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I love hearing that. I think I agree with you.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. I toured so much, I'd never gotten
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: to have the fall off. So the past, I've been
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: in nine games this year, I think. from different stadiums.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Probably five of them were at Vanderbilt Stadium. But it's
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: just been amazing, dude. Like, to go to Alabama, to
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: go to Virginia Tech, to go, we're going to go
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: to Neyland in a week or two, to be at
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Ole Miss yesterday. You had to just see some of
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: it and just that, like, what it's about for them
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: in those places.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Well, and, you know, Athens, that's basically just college town.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: And they were just, the fans were great. And they
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: were loud and they were rabid. But, To go, one
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: of the things I love about being in the SEC,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to go, you know, been in Tuscaloosa.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I've been, I can't wait to go to Death Valley
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: LSU on a night game when we go there. Because
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I've only been there once and they played Vanderbilt when
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Vanderbilt was a doormat.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Not the Vanderbilt now.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: And so that was a good experience, but that wasn't
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: a great Death Valley experience. I still, I can't wait
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: to get over to Tennessee.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's a beautiful place. That, I think, might be
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the most beautiful place to see a game is that
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: Neyland Stadium. But I haven't been to see a game
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  Speaker 1: at Austin. I want to go see that. I know
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  Speaker 1: that Rogan and Tony Hinchcliffe went one time. You might
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: have went to that same game that they went to.
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  Speaker 1: Most of them I'm over there on the sidelines, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's so cool, man. Yeah. Yeah, I just feel lucky to,
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  Speaker 1: first of all, even just get to be around some
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of the teams, to be that close to that energy,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: that young. If you stay around young people, it just
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: keeps you young. It's like there's something that's like, I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: don't know. It's just, it's energy. That's how energy works.
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  Speaker 2: And I still have to remind myself how young these
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: young men are.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: And, you know, it's like, because they're so damn big,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: you know? And then you look and you go, oh,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: you're 18. Yeah.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: 18.
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  Speaker 2: When was that? You know? Got to go back and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: do the math, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't even figure it out sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm down there, and I'm feeling like I was
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: at college, UT, just a few years ago. Well, a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: few multiplied times a nice-sized number, yeah. But it seems
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: like it was the other day, you know?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I know it does, man. But that's what's kind of
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: nice about it, too, is the connectivity of that, that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: there's something special about when you get around certain things.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that it's undeniable that it's nice that it feels not
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: that long ago in a way.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And again, on the SEC, man, I
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: was talking to Sankey about this the other night. They're
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: the only conference that wants to fight absolutely draw blood
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: like brothers on a Saturday night when you're in the game.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: But after the game, we're the SEC.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the only conference that you go to and if
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: you beat an SEC team beats another team from any,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: that's outside of the SEC conference. Yeah, they may chant
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: their name, tag LSU or their, but they also chant SEC, SEC.
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  Speaker 1: They do love it. Nobody else does that, man. I
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: used to get upset with my friends that would cheer
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: on other SEC teams if our team was out of it, right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: But now I get it.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Now I get it.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, this is the conference.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I'm kind of, look, I backhanded, you know,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: when OU beats Alabama, like they did. I get a little, oh,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: there we go. Even when A & M came back
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: from down 33 against South Carolina, I'm like, there we go.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: Because we're the old Southwest Conference, the old Big 12.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I'm rooting for them. And I also, I'm a Texas
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: fan who wants our two biggest rivals, those Aggies and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: OU traditionally. I want them to be undefeated when we
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: play them. You know what I mean? We usually play
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: OU around the, I don't know, fifth game of the season.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: Fourth, fifth.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: I always want OU to be undefeated. And I want
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: us to be undefeated. And then I want to beat them. Yeah.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: And I want A & M. We play A &
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: M the last game of the year.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: So it's still coming up.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: It's two weeks from now.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go.
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  Speaker 2: Or say in whatever weekend it is. I don't know
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: when this comes out. But I want them to be undefeated.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When we beat them is what I want. You know
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: That's what I want. Well, I always cheer for the underdog, man.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I find I always cheer for the underdog. That's one
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: thing I loved about Vanderbilt. They've always been the underdog. Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Pavia's great. They have so many great guys. Every guy
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: over there has been.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: I met Pavia. He came up and said howdy after
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, he did?
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  Speaker 3: In Austin.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's awesome. He's a great guy, man.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: He's great, man. And he's the underdog.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: He's just been the underdog the whole time.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, congratulations on what you've done. Keep
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: doing it, man. Y'all got it rolling. Yeah, and what
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Lee's done with that. Yeah, because look, there's a lot
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: of players on there that a lot of these teams
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: we're talking about didn't necessarily sniff them.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Because they would have been on a different team.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but look what they've done. Again, back to psychology.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's a mental edge and the power you can get
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: from believing you're an underdog or that the world saying
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: you're an underdog fuels you instead of Right. Makes you cower. Going, oh, yeah?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Watch this. But to believe that is different than to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: say that. Like, we've seen plenty of teams that are cocky.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: And you're like.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Not to get into the ego side of it.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: You ain't going to, you know. Oh, you just laid
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: a big hit on that running back, and there's three
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: minutes left in the fourth, and you're 17 down. I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be doing a dance here, Ponce.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Did you see the scoreboard? You know what I mean?
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Or the want to, the come out. is what Maura
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: was saying, or who was it, Mike saying, well, I
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: wanted to win the game, didn't want to play like you.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: You can see, you know, there's a certain swagger that
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: you're like, are you playing the part or do you believe?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Again, are you looking at the jumbotron and acting like
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: what you think you should act like or do you
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: believe that and is that dance you're doing coming from, yeah.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: From you. That's me. That's how I feel.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Difference. Dude, we had, there was a funny, the other
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: night I was somewhere and there was like a, I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: think a Titans, one of the Titans kind of brass.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: And they had a, like one of their upper people was,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: and Pavi was there. It was some dinner thing we
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: were at. And I said, oh, have you guys thought
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: about drafting Diego? You know? And the guy goes, well,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: he's a little small for us. You know? We kind of,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: we like, like this is one of our guys. There
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: was a player there and he pointed at a guy.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: And he's like, that guy's 6'7. Yeah. And I was like,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: that guy's one in seven.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, Diego Pavia's eight and two right now.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I hear you. And I know it's different.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: No, I hear you.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: But for me, it's like, if I'm a team in
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: a city, I would get a player that everybody loves
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: that played in that college. I don't understand why pro
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: teams don't do that a little bit more.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Well, they do. The Saints have been the best at
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: it historically, drafting local, keeping it in Louisiana. So that
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: Superdome's full of people going, yo, who drove my cut,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: You know, um, Hey, look, I don't know how much
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: that really works in the pros because it's a new
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: singular brand business. I'm with you. I like the sentiment
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: of let's keep the home cook them going.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: I think that's how I think, you know, I like
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Are you still teaching? Were you
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: teaching classes at UT? Yeah.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: I visit the, I got, there's a guy, there's a
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: professor that's in there daily, but then I swing in and,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll talk going for three hours at a time.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: And cause what we do is we break down films
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: and ads that I've done called from script to screen,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: meaning let's see the journey that this book that turned
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: into the first script that turned into a shooting script
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: that turned into them. Let's see the journey it took
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: to get there because the original screenplay is very different
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: than the final package you see. And so let's show
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: these students, these serious filmmakers about how there's many ways
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: to skin the cat. And so I'll go in and
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: we just break down. We broke down most of my films.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: And then I have the director come in and talk
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: about certain scenes. And it's a badass class.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Dude, I've loved it. I used to go perform up
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: at– in Huntington, West Virginia all the time. Where you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: guys shot your Marshall movie. And that was awesome, man.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: And one time the guy that survived read– Yes, Dawson.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: He was speaking at the hotel that I was staying at.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: He was speaking there.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: When was this? How many years ago?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: More, but more or less. 16 years ago. 16. 12, 10.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: So we had done We Are Marshall, which is probably
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: 20 years ago?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Might be, yeah.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so look, I don't want to speak on Red's behalf,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: but this story I heard, and I hope I'm getting
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: this correct. If I'm not, excuse me. But that, you know,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: that crash in 1971, with that Thundering Herd team, everyone
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: in Huntington was somehow related to that.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: All right. Whether by blood or by family or by
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: that was the identity of the town, the college at
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: that time. And a lot of people retreated. We showed
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: up to go tell that story. And they were skeptical
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: of Hollywood coming to tell their story for good reason.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Like, which version you, you know, you tell them about.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: Right, you're going to add some elements that are just
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: going to make us look bad, that sort of thing.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: You're going to make us look like, you know. Well,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: our director, McGinty, McG, did a really cool thing. He
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: let the whole town know on the paper, hey, anybody
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: can come by the set. Anybody who wants a script,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I'll give you the script. And slowly, people started to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: come around. The script was good. They were like, okay, da-da-da-da-da.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: And then the movie comes out, and I think there
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: was a bit of catharsis that can happen. Meaning... I
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: heard that Red Dawson had been very reclusive and that
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: the time around the film coming out and the story
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: and for other reasons, he started to come back out,
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: watch a game. Maybe it started behind the fence, then
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: it moved into a bleacher, then it moved into talk. Anyway,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: you hear stories like that and not that the film
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: we did was responsible for that, but a part of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: that that you go, ah, what a cool story. to
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: be a part of and see that can happen, you know?
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Well, art, that's an interesting thing about art is that
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: something can come out of, something that's nice can come
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: out of this, right? Something that still honors it, even
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: if it didn't do the best job, something that earnestly
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: tried to show up and honor this thing or have some,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: spend time with it, right? To spend time.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Spend time, spend on it. Well-intended.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: Try to tell the truth on it. Ah, They get
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: to then see a representation of some of their experiences
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: on the proverbial jumbotron, but also that can help us
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: get to know ourselves better, especially if you've been locked
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: up and covering that, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: Holding those things, yeah. It's crazy some of the things
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: that we hold, you know? I got into doing, like,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: ayahuasca experiences over the past, like, maybe five, six years.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: And that's helped, like, bring up a lot of old
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: stuff and process it, you know? Yeah. That stuff's been
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: pretty good for me.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Now, a lot of that's talking about going back. We
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: were talking about ego earlier. A lot of that's about
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: getting rid of the ego in a way. What would
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: you say has been the best thing, most healthy thing
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: for you that those ayahuasca journeys have done for you?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: I would say it's helped me process a lot of
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: old pain, things that were like kind of weights.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Kind of things that were just like clumped up roots
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: of my past. Yeah. Hard mud around them. Yeah. Just
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: helped that stuff break up. Okay. So it's easy for
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: me to be up here a little bit in my
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: own soil. All right. And have an experience to grow.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Herd. Not be locked.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Be more receptive, maybe.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And not stuck in like a lot of, like
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: kind of burned off a lot of like old, like
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: low self-worth stuff.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: Started to kind of disappear, you know? Have you had
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: any experiences like that?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Not with ayahuasca. I mean, I've had, you know, my own,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: most of my big sort of breakthrough spiritually have come
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: on singular journeys that I took by myself to places
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: where they didn't know my name.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: And putting myself in those places, whether it be in
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Africa or the Amazon and Peru, where everything that I
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: relied on was stripped away. Or the year I spent
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: in Australia as an exchange student, where all of my
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: conveniences and my talismans of identity, whether it's my name
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: or my nation or my state or my family, they're
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: all stripped away. And I was forced to rely on
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: myself and forced to kind of look up and go,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: I'm listening. And, you know, when that truth comes on you, man,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: it's like a gentle as a butterfly that's strong as
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: a lightning bolt. And you've got some things that hit
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: you sometimes. You go, remember this. When you go back
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: into the world and all that, Onion starts to get
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: pre-peeled again. You start to take on all these things
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: and play these different parts and get these ideas. Remember
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: this to be what you understand now to be a
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: non-negotiable truth. It's like there's an Emerson line about the
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: truth that comes to us in quiet solitude. It makes
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: so much sense, but can we take that amongst the masses?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Can we walk into the cathedral, the stadium with 500
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: million people and still hold that truth to be ours
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: and true for all time.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah. I think that's something as I get older,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: that's the thing I admire somebody that something the most,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: somebody that can have just like a quiet self-confidence, you know,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: an integrity, you know, that's, that you can tell that, uh,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: that's kind of unshakable for them, you know?
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: Um, well, and it, it's tough, man. Because the world changes.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: And a lot of times we change by changing with
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: it and adapting. A lot of times we change by
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: staying exactly the same. And all of a sudden we
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: look like an original and you're like, I'm doing the
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: same thing I was doing. I just didn't. I didn't.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: I just jived when everyone else juked. You know what
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I mean? Or I just stayed the same while everyone
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: else was juking and jiving. Do you ever feel like that?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Like there was a comedy manager one time I was
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: on a plane with him and he said, your audience
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: will evolve, right? Because they'll grow up. But so you
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: have to evolve somewhat, right? But there's a fear, I think,
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: especially with comedian stuff. Well, this worked. Yeah. I got
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: to stay. I got to be that person for, you know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: that's what I have to be a lot, you know? Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's like that for actors. I
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: guess it's probably different.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: No, sure.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Or you think like this movie style worked for me.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Or these choices I made. Oh, everyone likes that when
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I do that.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: That got memed or that got, you know what I mean?
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not, doesn't mean I'm going to, you know, I'm not,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm going to, Hey, I did never go. Well,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: make sure you say, all right, all right, all right.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: Every scene, every, every movie. I'm not saying that, you
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: Especially if your character's deaf or whatever, or he's like
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: just in a coma and at the very end, he's like.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Or, or just a pessimist. So don't say that.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Dude, that would be the best. He's like
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: such a Jack Nichols. Who's Jack Nichols in that movie
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: where he's just that pessimist? Anger management, is that it?
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Is that it? And then at the end, you just
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: say it.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Here's your bumper sticker. No, there's certain things that, you know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: you get to, I think we all do. Rock band
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: knows what their encore is. Bruce knows they want to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: hear Born in the USA.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: How do you sing that song? You're a proverbial fastball.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: Clemens does a 100-mile fastball. Does he need to know
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: curves and sinkers?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: But do you forgive your fastball? No, you don't forget
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: your fastball.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: I think you go, but how do you do it?
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: What I try to remind myself is if I know
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going with something that's a fastball, I go, okay,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: how do I do it like it's the first time
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: each time? I've always wanted that with comedians. You've got
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: something you know, man. Bam, it works. How do you
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: do it like that's the first time? How does a
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: band go out and play that song they played 2,000 times?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: How do they get off to it that night? What
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: I've heard is that, oh, you've got a new audience
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: each night, so you're feeding off of them, and it's
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: their first time, so you can give it to them
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: like it's the first time.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. I never even thought about it like that. Yeah,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: for me, it's just always tricking myself, laughing. Sometimes laughing
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: seems very present, and so things like that. some modalities
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: I'll do before, like ice baths, sauna, those types of
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: things that just get your energy so like at a
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: fun level of being alive and existing that no matter
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: what you're doing seems fun.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: So I think a lot of it is having fun.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: How much of that, let's talk about that. How much
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: of doing that, being successful is, do you think is
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: enjoying what you're doing when you're doing it?
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Like how much, if you laugh at a joke, and
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: I think I'm agreeing with you here is that I've
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: done things where I'm, like, going, I feel confident enough
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: in it where if it makes me laugh and no
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: one else laughs, I'm going to then think that's funny.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: And that will then probably in turn be funny.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Well, that might just be a good acting. I mean, yeah,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: that's probably just a really good way as an actor
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: to be able to, like, have that shift. Like, okay,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: if this didn't even land the right way, then that
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: part of it is then funny. Yeah. Yeah, I think
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: as a comedian, if I'm taking care of myself and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I'm in a good way, then it's going to go good,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: I know. I just think it's like they just want
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: to see you having a good time, especially these days.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: People are just so, like with podcasting and stuff, people
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: will get to know you so much. They just want
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: to be in the room with you, right? They want
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the material to be good and you want it to
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: be good. I don't want you to just come.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're all there wanting it to be good.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't show up if I didn't think it
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: was at least good enough to bring to you to
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: trade for a fair. But a lot of it is
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: just people want to spend time around each other.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: My greatest mentor, a lady named Penny Allen, who's since
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: moved on, would always say this, you know, and you
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: got a crew making a film. You got 120 people.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: You got directors, producers. Not everyone agrees on everything, right?
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: And you can get arguments. And she was like, just
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: remember this, Matthew. She goes, One thing everyone is there
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: for and wants is a good show. You know what
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Right, like that's a unifying.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: We have different ways of getting it, but no one's
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: there going, I don't want this to be a good show.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: Everyone wants it to be a good show.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Dude, in my head, sometimes I'll get in that thing like, oh,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: I know how to make this good. you know like
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: that's a part I get stuck sometimes I want to
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: talk a few minutes more about writing and stuff before
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: you go thank you for your time sure man Poems
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: and Prayers that's your new book that's out yeah When
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: did you start writing and who kind of got you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: into it? I know there's stuff in here from when
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: you were 18, from when you were in high school.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: That's probably when I started writing longer form poems. And
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: that was a year in Australia where I was one
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: of those times I was lost and wobbly and looking
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: and trying to figure. I didn't have friends to rely on,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: didn't have family to rely on. So I started, you know, dude,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: I was losing my mind in a good way. I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: was writing 16-page letters to myself.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Dang.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: And returning them. with a 17-page letter.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: No way, bro, what?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, bro.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: Socratic dialogue. I was going, hey, man, we got to
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: entertain ourselves. I ain't got no one else to go to,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: so let's have this out. And so I, you know.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: What is strange?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's cool. It's strange. It's unique.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's strange. It's unique, sorry.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: It was hard.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: No, that's a strange thing to do.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: So what were the letters? Were you saying, like?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Trying to work shit out.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: I was losing my mind. I didn't know what, I
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: didn't have a, I didn't have a compass, man. Everything
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: around me was odd, and I didn't know if I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: agreed with it or disagreed with it or if it
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: was just a cultural difference or if it was bullshit.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Just getting to know yourself.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: And I didn't know where to stand until I got
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: pushed to where I had to make a stand. And, boy,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: when I had to make a stand, you know, when
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: this host family wanted me to call a mom and pop.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: And I went, no.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: That's that I'm, I'm, I'm not going to do that.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you thinking to me that way, but I
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: still have my mom and dad. And I remember at
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: the time why I said this part, I do not know,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: but it was like, I thought it would ease the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: blow a little bit. I remember saying this, I was like, no,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: I have a mom and dad and they're still alive.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: I gave him this little context, like, Oh, just in case, like,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: what the hell does that matter anyway? You know? And,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: and to make that stand and go, no, and then
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: call them, but say goodnight and call them by their
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: first names. And then, Wake up the next morning, my
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: alarm clock was a screaming woman going, he won't call
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: me mom. Going, oh, shit. And then going to her
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: and going, no, I won't. But putting an arm around
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: her and going, you know. Creating some boundaries for yourself, figuring.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: I had to create a boundary. That's it. I was, look,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't, I was trying. And so to do that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: is part of, I think, a big part of identity.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: And so I started writing. I'd always, I'd written since
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: I was probably 12, but I started writing poems and
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: jotting down prayers and. Things when I was, like I said, lost,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: wobbly and looking, but also times where things were going
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: well and I felt spiritually strong and going like, well,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: what are some habits I got right now? What are
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: some ways I'm seeing the world where the world seems
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: to be? I'm putting this out of my soul and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: it's music and the world's kind of throwing back the
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: next beat right at me. And we got a tune going.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: You know, um, And then I stepped in shit. Well,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: that's part of the tune.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: You know, they laughed at my joke. Hey, that's part
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: of the tune too. Oh, they were crickets. They didn't laugh.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: That's still part of the same song, you know?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Right, it's all part of the same song, yeah. Instead
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: of trying to get this old, this song, like just
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: the perfect song, you know, just recognize it's a long song.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: It's a long song.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: And so poems and prayers, look, you know, I'm trying
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: to sell Sunday morning like a Saturday night.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: Neen neen.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of good stuff, whether it's you bringing
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: up stuff in the Bible that has a lot of
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: good stuff or living. There's a lot of good things
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: we've learned from mentors and other philosophers and great books
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: and wisdoms of the past that we're told to do.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: And I know this. No one really likes to be
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: told what to do most of the time. And we
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: also don't really like to get advice. I don't like
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: getting advice. Every director I work with, I tell them
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: right off the bat, I'm easy to work with. Just
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: don't tell me what to do.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Or, and I tell them,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: find a way to make me think it was my idea.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: That's the trick. I don't even know you did it,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: but don't tell me. And I'll just go, there you go.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: That's right. You know what I mean? But if you
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: can put it in a rhyme. If it can have
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: a bit of a ditty to it, if you can
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: dance to it, and it's a good word, it's more
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: fun to digest it. It makes the broccoli taste like candy.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: You know, and you go like, oh, okay, I can
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: have a beer on the way to the temple. Thank you.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd rather have a beer on the way
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: to the temple and be headed to the temple than abstain,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: say I'm abstaining from having a beer, but headed the
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: wrong direction to the desert.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, I've never liked taking suggestions. It's always been
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: hard for me, I think. Well, it's tough in your
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: life when things go pretty good sometimes to want to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: relinquish the wheel, you know?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah. But at the same time, when things are
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: going well, you're responsible for that. Don't give up the
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: right to believe in that you had your hands on
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: the wheel. When things are going well, we should not
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: be so humble to believe that, oh, it's all just fate.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: I think God wants our hands on the wheel. And
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: I think God's... My hunch is God's going, I got
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: too many people relying on fate.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. Take control of things.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: When things are going... Give yourself the ownership of going...
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: I did that. It wasn't all me.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: Other things in the world happened that I'll never understand
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: for timing and fortune and everything. But give ourself credit
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: when we look at the mirror and go, you're partially
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: responsible for that, bud. All right, here we go.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: To build some sort of gravity within yourself, you know.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: And understanding.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: Because there's plenty, because it doesn't mean, and understand that there's,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: the hard part about when we're succeeding, I think, catching
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: green lights, got our hand on the wheel, we're, Just
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: smooth and true traffic and life's like that. The hard
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: part is believing, oh, this is how it's going to
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: always be.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: Because it ain't.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: You'll blow a tire, man. Some goofball's going to run
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: a red light and hit you. You're going to run
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: out of gas. Something's going to go wrong. So there'll
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: be times you don't have your hands on the wheel.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: You don't know where you're going. So knowing that those
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: times are coming, I think, is another reason to go, well,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: when my hands are on the wheel and shit's working out,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Let's look in the mirror and give myself a little
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: bit of wink here, boss.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: There you go. Let's turn our favorite music up a
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: Drop the top.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's one point he talked about prayer, too, that
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: I thought was pretty cool.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Prayer is worship, putting our heart above our head. It's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: a beautiful sentiment, man. Prayer comes from worship, which means
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: to literally worship. bow down so we can put our
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: heart above our head. So it's a physical, engineered act
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: to listen to our heart. Compassion, kindness, forgiveness, peace, above
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: our head. And we live in a world that is all,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: we're told, head above heart, man. Make it more, quantity, win,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: however you do it.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Head up, look at the Jumbotron.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: And the humility... Putting your heart above your head literally
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: just physiologically is such a cool image for what that's for.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't think a lot of people, I didn't know,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: that that is what prayer is actually engineered for. That's
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: why you bow. You bend a knee and you bow
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: to put your head below your heart and your heart
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: above your head so you can hear the sacred within you.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: And the sacred's coming from the heart and soul. I'm
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: all for knowledge that we gain in our head. And
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: we need knowledge to understand reason Yeah, but there's a
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff that we don't, the math doesn't add up,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: and that's languages of the soul, and it's not supposed
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: to add up, and I think that's part of the
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: pursuit of God. That's what I've always, I think God
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: loves the scientists because scientists are the practical pursuit of God. Well,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: there's some spiritual stuff that we're not supposed to be
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: able to make sense of. I agree. It's what faith
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: comes from.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Everything doesn't have a balance sheet. Everything you can't figure out, everything, like,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: especially emotions, you can't, you can't, like, there's not a
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: lot of math on them. Nope. Yeah.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Like instincts, all of that kind of stuff. I think
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: like that's something I want to lean even more into
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: in my life is just like believing like there's not,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: I just have to know. I have to know that
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: what this feeling I have inside of me is real.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: I don't need to read an article to tell me.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: I don't need to read this or know this. Even
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: if somebody shows me some fool's gold that they believe in,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I have to know that this God created compass inside
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: of me has some semblance of direction and factuality you.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Know and it takes a lot of trust and faith
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: to do that and it ain't easy and I you
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: know one that I always give myself a little amnesty
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: on is from this Benedictine monk named Thomas Mariton and
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: he said God I believe that trying to please you
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: pleases you so sometimes when we don't know I think
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: it's okay to give ourself a little pat on the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: back and go At least I'm trying. And I kind
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: of trust that that pleases God that I'm giving an effort.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some grace, huh?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, grace.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir. Give ourselves some grace. Well, thank you, Matthew.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: I'll just pray. Yeah, thanks for taking time to even
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: contribute this to the world, help people think. There's a
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: lot of neat things to think about in here, like leadership, courage,
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  Speaker 1: little avenues. Yeah. I think it's something that I wrote
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  Speaker 1: down here. Carve and burn was one that I wrote down.
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  Speaker 1: Carve and burn.
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  Speaker 3: Burn.
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  Speaker 2: The wheat from the chafe, the fat.
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  Speaker 1: From the meat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. We got to.
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  Speaker 1: In the name of transformation.
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  Speaker 2: That's that weed pulling we were talking about at the
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  Speaker 2: top of the show. We got to tend our own garden, man,
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  Speaker 2: around our soul, make sure we're pulling the weeds. Because
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  Speaker 2: you can look down and you can go, where's that diamond?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Where did it go?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's covered in all the weeds I let grow.
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  Speaker 1: I know. In the name of transformation, die a little
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  Speaker 1: instead of completely. I really like that. Yeah. That's really
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  Speaker 1: about like having that extra beat of courage, that extra,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just believing that there's, you know, that there's
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  Speaker 1: something here if you just stay in this space, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Transformation comes with sacrifice, and that's part of dying a
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  Speaker 2: little bit. If you're nothing but transactional all the way
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  Speaker 2: through life, not transform, if you're only transactional relationships, If
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  Speaker 2: you're only seeking work or things that can only pay
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  Speaker 2: your bank account.
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  Speaker 1: Or things that you know that are definitely, that are quantifiable, right?
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  Speaker 1: That you know the outcome, right? There's not a lot
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  Speaker 1: of faith in that definitiveness.
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  Speaker 2: No, and that transaction, if it's purely for transaction, if
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  Speaker 2: our life is purely transactional, then you die. In the end,
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  Speaker 2: you die all the way. You die a lot.
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  Speaker 1: You're dead.
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  Speaker 2: All right? Transformational, you will die a little. It's because
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  Speaker 2: you're making a sacrifice to live forever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cool, man. There's a lot of neat stuff
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  Speaker 1: to think about in here. A lot of prayer, too.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have kind of a prayer practice, or what's
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  Speaker 1: that been like in your life? Or what did you
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  Speaker 1: even learn when you were a kid? Do you remember
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  Speaker 1: the first time that you ever prayed?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We can finish on that conversation.
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  Speaker 2: First prayers. My mom was a big baseline gratitude, and
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  Speaker 2: we grew up Methodist, which is— You know, it wasn't
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  Speaker 2: a lot of fire and brimstone. It was more be
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  Speaker 2: thankful for what you have and try and multiply that
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  Speaker 2: with yourself and others. And I remember if we come
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  Speaker 2: to the breakfast table, like kind of grumpy or something,
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  Speaker 2: mom would be in there cooking breakfast and she'd grab
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  Speaker 2: us by the arm, walk us back down to our
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  Speaker 2: bedroom and go, you getting in bed? You getting in bed?
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  Speaker 2: She goes, no, no, back under the covers. She already dressed,
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  Speaker 2: get back under the covers. She goes, don't you come
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  Speaker 2: to my breakfast table where I'm cooking you breakfast. until
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  Speaker 2: you're ready to see the rose in the vase instead
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  Speaker 2: of the dust on the damn table. And you're like, oh, jeez,
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  Speaker 2: I'm coming back. So you came back, hey, good morning, Mom.
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  Speaker 2: There we go, good morning. She acted like it never happened. Or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we arguing about, man, I got this one
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  Speaker 2: pair of cape of shoes, and they got holes in them,
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  Speaker 2: and I need another pair of shoes, you know. You
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  Speaker 2: better quit bitching about having no shoes. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: introduce you to a kid with no feet.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa, jeez.
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  Speaker 2: So she was big on baseline gratitude.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And going... Before you get into being upset or pouty
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  Speaker 2: about anything today, look outside this curtain. Do you see
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  Speaker 2: the sun rose again? That was not a guarantee.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, before you get how you feel about it, let's
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  Speaker 1: look at the facts.
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  Speaker 2: Let's look at what gift was given. Now we may
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  Speaker 2: have a hard day, we may have something we gotta
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  Speaker 2: work with, but that's baseline gratitudes that you cannot, do
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  Speaker 2: not take for granted.
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  Speaker 1: And now I have a tool to work with it with.
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  Speaker 1: You show up with some gratitude, it makes everything, it
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  Speaker 1: certainly makes things smoother. Do you think, last question, do
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  Speaker 1: you think that, and this is back to football, because
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  Speaker 1: do you think that the Oklahoma, Texas, do you think
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  Speaker 1: those teams like being in the SEC now?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You do? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I know Texas does. Look, I think Oklahoma does too,
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  Speaker 2: and I think A & M did when they got.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, there were rumblings that A
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  Speaker 2: & M didn't want us coming over there, but I
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  Speaker 2: think in their heart of hearts they got. They got
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  Speaker 2: enough chutzpah if they wanted us to come there. They wanted,
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  Speaker 2: let's get that rivalry going again. I know Texas wants
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  Speaker 2: to be there. We want the greatest competition. We want
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  Speaker 2: to be in the greatest conference and we want the
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  Speaker 2: greatest competition and we want to push ourselves to compete
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  Speaker 2: at that highest level.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It is exciting. Yeah, I just, I wondered that a
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  Speaker 1: little bit because, you know, you just get so used
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  Speaker 1: to things being a certain way, you know, and you're like,
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  Speaker 1: and then something else comes in and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: do they really love it, you know? So, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: was just curious. thanks for helping me think man good
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  Speaker 1: to see you today bro good to see you too
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  Speaker 1: yep congratulations thanks for sharing so many creative things with
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: us over the years and helping us have thoughts and
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  Speaker 1: feelings like I've had a lot of emotion to your
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: movies and been inspired and felt things and and unfelt
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  Speaker 1: things you know right by watching your art over the
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  Speaker 1: years and so thank you so much thank you for
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  Speaker 1: Greenlight thank you for this new book it's out now
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  Speaker 1: Poems and Prayers yeah just a lot of good stuff
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  Speaker 1: to fodder to think about and feel about. So thank
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  Speaker 1: you so much, man.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Good to be here. Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
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  Speaker 2: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone Oh,
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  Speaker 2: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
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  Speaker 2: of mind I found I can feel it in my
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  Speaker 2: bones