Latest / The Catholic Current / Novel Prophecies Pt. 9 - Koestler’s “Darkness at Noon” (Fr. Robert McTeigue, S.J.) 9/11/26
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- 0:00This is The Catholic Current with Father Robert
- 0:03McTague. One of the reasons we read these great stories
- 0:07is because it can expand our moral imagination and help
- 0:12us to expect more of ourselves and one another, of God. The key thing about
- 0:16literature in general, it shows us not merely who we are,
- 0:19but who we should be and who we shouldn't be. I can't remember who it
- 0:22was who said, I read the newspapers avidly, it's my only source of continual fiction.
- 0:27Um, if you want, if you want truth instead of fiction, don't read
- 0:31the newspapers, read the novels.
- 0:35Praise be Jesus Christ. This is Father Robert McTeague of the Society of Jesus,
- 0:39your daily host for The Catholic Current, where we bring Christ to the world and
- 0:42the world to Christ. You're listening to us from the Station of the Cross Studios,
- 0:44your local radio station, the iCatholic Radio mobile app, and we proclaim the
- 0:49fullness of truth with clarity and charity. As always, let's start with prayer.
- 0:53In the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Almighty God, through the
- 0:56intercession of Saint Ignatius Loyola, we ask that you pour forth your Holy Spirit upon
- 1:00us, a spirit of discernment that might hear your voice and obey your commands.
- 1:04In the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen. Hey friends,
- 1:07here we are, a very special episode of The Catholic
- 1:11Current. You're listening to this on a Friday, and you know what that means.
- 1:15Let's talk about this. We walk through a complex issue together.
- 1:19We are in part 9 of our ongoing series called
- 1:22Novel Prophecies. We're going to be looking at a novel called Darkness
- 1:26at Noon, uh, written by Arthur Koestler. But wait, there is
- 1:30more. Because as you listen to this, it is not only September
- 1:3411th, not only the birthday of my, my good friend Drew Emmons,
- 1:38but it's also the 25th anniversary of the national
- 1:42global tragedy of 9/11. But wait, there's more.
- 1:46I'm recording this on September 10th,
- 1:482026, which is also the anniversary of the murder,
- 1:52the assassination of Charlie Kirk. So we've
- 1:56got lots to cover. But wait, there's even more.
- 1:59On Wednesday, I released, um,
- 2:03video/podcast, uh, having to do with what I call theological
- 2:07proofreading. And I was talking about a sentence
- 2:11that had caught my eye, and I said, you know,
- 2:14when I was a professor, I had the red pen. And when I
- 2:17was reviewing your essay before it was due
- 2:21to be graded, then the red pen was an instrument of mercy leading
- 2:26you to truth and beauty and goodness. But after it was
- 2:29submitted for a grade, then the red pen became the instrument
- 2:33of justice. And I said, here's something that caught my
- 2:36ear, caught my eye, and let's
- 2:41just say it lent itself to misunderstanding. And I wanted
- 2:45you to see if you could identify who said it and what the context
- 2:49was. So we're gonna have the big reveal, but I wanna take a deep breath
- 2:52and make reference to the 20th century philosopher Karl Popper.
- 2:56I'm paraphrasing what he said. Basically, he said this: it's impossible
- 3:00to communicate in such a way that makes it impossible for
- 3:04anyone to misunderstand you. There's always going to be someone who misunderstands.
- 3:08Yes, that's certainly true. I had a professor who said
- 3:12that his greatest fear was to be remembered by the notebooks of
- 3:15his students, and I was kind of insulted because I was a very careful
- 3:19student. And then I saw my students' notebooks and I realized I don't want to
- 3:22be remembered to posterity by the notebooks of my students either. So what exactly
- 3:26is the quote? Well, it comes from Pope Leo XIV, who was
- 3:30meeting on September 5th, 2026,
- 3:34with a community called the Perpetual Adorers of the
- 3:38Blessed Sacrament. And here's the sentence that kind of
- 3:41grabbed me. He says to these— now, what's their charism?
- 3:45That's to adore our Eucharistic Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. And so he
- 3:49writes— he actually speaks from a prepared text. Odds are he didn't
- 3:54write it, but here's my point. He says, the constant search for the face of
- 3:58God, which characterizes monastic life in a particular way,
- 4:02takes on a special nuance in the vocation you have received.
- 4:07It translates into a life completely dedicated to the continuous
- 4:11and silent adoration of a God who
- 4:15has become bread.
- 4:19Now, we all know that
- 4:23taken at face value and absent any context,
- 4:26that's exactly wrong. This is not impanation.
- 4:30This is not God entering bread that remains bread.
- 4:34This is not Lutheran consubstantiation where
- 4:38the divine nature and the bread nature remain together.
- 4:43This is transubstantiation.
- 4:46The accidents of bread remain— the
- 4:50mere appearances, the taste, the texture, the smell,
- 4:54etc.— but the substance, the what it is,
- 4:57changes into the body, blood, soul, and divinity.
- 5:01There is no bread that remains.
- 5:05Now, that's all true. Uh, Pope Leo XIV is
- 5:09a very busy man. He almost certainly doesn't write any of his own stuff.
- 5:13And so this is where I said he needs theological
- 5:17proofreaders, because when you are a very
- 5:21prominent person, when you're on the global stage,
- 5:24when every word that comes out of your mouth gets recorded— and
- 5:29I'm sure that's a terrible cross— then you have an obligation to
- 5:32be careful. So one of the commentators on the video/podcast
- 5:37I released for Wednesday said this, and I want to give him a shout out.
- 5:40This listener wrote, Leo's comments are not heresy
- 5:43but imprecision released into a catechetically depleted
- 5:48environment where a large share of Catholics already
- 5:52believe the bread remains bread. I love that
- 5:56phrase, a catechetically depleted
- 6:00environment. Thank you for that. And Mr.
- 6:04Engineer, in your spare time, if you can find, uh, the name or
- 6:08the handle of the person who wrote that comment, I'd be glad to mention it
- 6:12on the air. Because I want credit to be given where credit is due— a
- 6:14catechetically depleted environment. That is certainly
- 6:19where we are living now. So if
- 6:23you're a public person, if you are a member of the
- 6:27Catholic Cadres of the People Who Should Know Better Club, if you are a
- 6:32senior member of the Catholic Cadres of People Who Should Really Know Better Club,
- 6:36you can't afford to say things that lend themselves
- 6:40to misinterpretation because, as this listener
- 6:45noted, we live in a catechetically depleted environment.
- 6:49I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest that
- 6:53synodality is probably not the preferred
- 6:57method of correcting the catechetically depleted
- 7:00environment, that the listening sessions are
- 7:04not going to be a means of restoring the
- 7:08catechetically depleted environment. We need teaching.
- 7:13We need solid teaching. We need unambiguous
- 7:18teaching, and we need to prioritize that teaching.
- 7:22I know my colleagues Jacob
- 7:25Kraft and Sarah Kane, who co-host our morning show Rise Right,
- 7:29just today did a response to the U.S. Conference of Catholic
- 7:33Bishops saying something about the Second Amendment I don't
- 7:37want to hear bishops talking about magazine
- 7:41capacity and firearms.
- 7:44That's not their place. Stay in your lane,
- 7:49you know, correct liturgical abuses.
- 7:53I'm going to get off my soapbox now because I'm about to lose charity.
- 7:56Here's my point: someone who really should have known better
- 8:00was given a text that he didn't write And those people
- 8:04should have known better so as not to say something that causes
- 8:08confusion as saying that God becomes bread.
- 8:12So, that's my point. Now, Goshfather, how does this really relate
- 8:16to the series on novel prophecies and Koestler's novel Darkness
- 8:20at Noon? I will get more into the how it was written and what it
- 8:24all means in the next couple of segments. For now, I'll say this: Koestler was
- 8:27a convinced communist, fought on the communist side
- 8:32in the Spanish Civil War, and then was horrified when he saw what
- 8:35communism actually did. And he was subject
- 8:40to imprisonment. He was threatened with summary execution.
- 8:45Some of his colleagues and comrades ended up in Soviet prisons and
- 8:49show trials. He was horrified. So this novel is an
- 8:53intense reflection on what happens when
- 8:57you are embedded in a system that doesn't value
- 9:02the truth? What does that do to your
- 9:06soul? I think those are really good questions,
- 9:10and one of the people who would be best positioned to answer that
- 9:15would be Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn,
- 9:19who was a great resistor to the Soviet Union,
- 9:22suffered terribly for it. And he said this: you can resolve
- 9:25to live your life with integrity Let your credo be this:
- 9:30let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph,
- 9:35but not through me.
- 9:39Pow! That's Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
- 9:43And the enthusiasts for
- 9:49synodality and so on, and, you know,
- 9:52reimagining doctrine and dogma
- 9:57and overlooking the perennial
- 10:01wisdom and teaching of the Church, those people
- 10:05frighten me as much as they repel
- 10:09me. And they frighten me because their
- 10:14distortions— I don't read
- 10:18souls, I won't call them lies directly— but their distortions
- 10:23will be received gladly by people who should
- 10:26know better but don't, because we do live
- 10:31in a catechetically depleted environment. And singing
- 10:35along about how listening and reimagining
- 10:39and inclusion are gonna make everything better and
- 10:43we're all gonna live happily ever after— where's
- 10:48the evidence? Where's the evidence?
- 10:53For that. I don't want to live in
- 10:56a system that's based upon lies, distortion,
- 11:00and false memories. Jesuit Father Robert McTiger,
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- 12:21Praise be Jesus Christ. This is Father Robert McTeague of the Society of Jesus,
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- 12:53you help fund programs that defend our Catholic faith. Here we
- 12:57are Friday. Let's talk about this novel prophecies
- 13:01part 9. We're looking at Arthur Koestler's novel Darkness at
- 13:04Noon. In the last segment, I had a quote from one of our
- 13:09audience here referring to our living in a catechetically
- 13:12depleted environment, and I asked Mr.
- 13:15Engineer to find the quote so that we can give the author uh,
- 13:19his due credit. That comment comes to us from a gentleman whose
- 13:23pen name is Michael the Heresy Hunter.
- 13:26Well, thank you, Michael. I am going to be using that
- 13:30phrase, catechetically depleted environment, and I'm very glad to
- 13:35give you the credit. As I record this, it's the first anniversary of the murder
- 13:38of Charlie Kirk. As you listen to this, it'll be the 25th anniversary of September
- 13:4211th. And why are we looking at this novel First written in
- 13:46the late 1930s. Well, it was part of the
- 13:50inspiration for George Orwell's 1984. Uh,
- 13:54the author Arthur Koestler was, suffice to say, a complicated figure,
- 13:57ultimately a tragic figure. I think he committed suicide,
- 14:01I think, in the late '70s. He was Hungarian,
- 14:05a convinced communist, fought on the communist side in
- 14:09the Spanish Civil War, and eventually was arrested and interrogated
- 14:14and threatened with summary execution by all sorts of people.
- 14:17And he had friends and colleagues arrested and tortured
- 14:21and brought into show trials by the, the Soviet
- 14:25Union and then finally executed. And why is this part
- 14:29of our series on novel prophecies? Well, as I said, we— I'm not
- 14:33predicting, you know, the day and the hour when our Lord will return in glory.
- 14:36Only our Heavenly Father knows that. But I do want to say that human nature
- 14:40doesn't change and divine nature doesn't
- 14:45change. Our circumstances may change, and people who
- 14:48have insights into human nature can paint
- 14:53a vivid picture of what happens when human
- 14:58nature pulls itself away from God our
- 15:02Lord. I want to draw an analogy here. Imagine you're having breakfast
- 15:06with a friend and the English muffin gets stuck in the toaster, and your friend
- 15:10wants to extract it from the toaster. And he gets a fork to stick
- 15:14it into the electric toaster that's plugged in. And you say,
- 15:17don't do that. You might get hurt. You might get electrocuted.
- 15:20Imagine if your friend yells back at you, don't judge me!
- 15:25Imagine you're cleaning, I don't know, the kitchen sink.
- 15:30You're having a hard time scrubbing it clean. Your friend says, I've got a recipe
- 15:34for a new cleaning formula. We're going to mix bleach
- 15:38and ammonia. Now, you know enough chemistry to know that that makes poison gas.
- 15:43And you say, don't do that, and he says, don't judge
- 15:47me. The Bible says, judge not lest ye be judged. So, I started looking
- 15:51into that, and one of the English church fathers, the Venerable
- 15:55Bede, said that, um, the curses
- 15:59of the prophets wasn't so much throwing stones
- 16:04at innocent individuals, but a foreseeing
- 16:07of the future. That those who disobey
- 16:11God, those who act contrary to
- 16:15the natural law and the demands and opportunities of grace,
- 16:20always end badly.
- 16:23And so that's why we're going through some of these very dark novels now,
- 16:26because very few of them acknowledge the
- 16:31authority of Christ the King. Very few of them make
- 16:35any reference to availing ourselves of God's grace. And because
- 16:39of that, they all in one way or another end very badly.
- 16:45And I find reading Darkness at Noon to be a kind
- 16:49of claustrophobic experience, not surprisingly, because the
- 16:54point of view character is, is a man in a cell by
- 16:57himself, and except for being interrogated and tortured, the only human
- 17:02contact he has is kind of tapping out in a kind of
- 17:05Morse code on a pipe with his
- 17:10fellow prisoners. And what becomes clear as
- 17:14you read the novel is that the main character,
- 17:18who used to be the guy who would arbitrarily
- 17:22arrest and torture and interrogate and abuse
- 17:26and consign to summary execution,
- 17:29it's now his turn. And everybody
- 17:32who arrested him and tortured him and interrogated him and finally executed him
- 17:36knew that he used to be on one side of the equation, and now it's
- 17:40the other side. And it's very clear that they're all caught
- 17:44up in a system of lies.
- 17:49And the conceit is that if you hold
- 17:53on to power long enough and
- 17:57you just keep lying hard enough, then eventually
- 18:02you'll come out to this— to the good side,
- 18:06to the good conclusion. That if you're just willing
- 18:09to persevere and these vile means,
- 18:13you can have the desired promised good
- 18:18outcome. And friends, haven't we seen this
- 18:23time and time again?
- 18:26Think of how many times we ourselves have been lied to in
- 18:30recent years. Now, as the Fauci diaries came
- 18:34out, you know, safe and effective social
- 18:38distancing, masking, etc., etc., essential services.
- 18:44Lies. I know that soon, if not today or tomorrow,
- 18:49the president will continue— he'll
- 18:53sign an executive order to say that 25 years after
- 18:589/11, we are still in
- 19:02a state of emergency. And so therefore,
- 19:05and at the very same time,
- 19:09While dioceses go bankrupt,
- 19:14while parishes close, while the Church
- 19:17is being persecuted around the world,
- 19:22where bishops are talking about having women
- 19:25preach at Mass and ordaining married men and looking
- 19:29forward to gay marriage, we are also told with
- 19:33a straight face with absolute determination
- 19:38that there is no crisis in
- 19:42the Church. None. Nothing to see here.
- 19:47This is fine. This is fine. This is fine.
- 19:51And candidly, I'm just tired of it.
- 19:56I'm tired of senior Catholic cadres, of the people who should really know
- 20:00better club, saying foolish things, doing foolish things,
- 20:05And then we're asked not to notice. Now, like I said,
- 20:09George Orwell, who wrote 1984, which is probably the most—
- 20:13if not the greatest, certainly the most significant dystopian novel, and we're going to read
- 20:17it later, uh, was very much influenced by, by Darkness at Noon.
- 20:21And the main character in George Orwell talks about how what
- 20:25the totalitarians do, he says, first they erase
- 20:31history, and then the history becomes forgotten,
- 20:34and then the lie becomes the truth.
- 20:40I'm going to ask you to use your imagination.
- 20:44Are there any chapters in recent church
- 20:48history, in your lifetime or
- 20:52mine, where it seems that the that
- 20:55history was erased and then forgotten,
- 21:00and then the lie becomes the truth. The second
- 21:03parish I grew up in, in New Jersey, suffered a tragic fire
- 21:08in 1976 and was rebuilt and reconsecrated
- 21:12in 1978. And a friend of mine just sent me some pictures
- 21:17of the church that I remember from the mid-'70s
- 21:21and then the church that we got in the late '70s, and it wasn't
- 21:25really a complete renovation.
- 21:28Of course, we were told absolutely positively those
- 21:32marble communion rails had to go, but the pastor
- 21:36had the good sense to take that marble and turn it into the
- 21:40base for the pulpit and for the altar and for,
- 21:44for the tabernacle. But then I
- 21:48looked at photographs I had never seen before from
- 21:52the '30s. This little gem of a church
- 21:56was beautiful. There were murals,
- 22:00there was a high altar, there were side altars,
- 22:07and they're all gone. And the people who saw
- 22:11them are all gone.
- 22:15The people who knew the before and
- 22:19the after are all gone, and there are only these
- 22:24little snippets, these photographs that were saved from
- 22:29the memory hole, as George Orwell calls them in 1984,
- 22:33that allow us to see there were things that we
- 22:37used to have that are better than
- 22:42what we have. In other words, the what we have
- 22:45now is not inevitable.
- 22:49It's not something that just happened through spontaneous combustion.
- 22:54Somebody made a choice to not
- 22:57only undo our heritage,
- 23:02but to help us to forget our heritage.
- 23:05And when we forget our heritage, we forget our identity, and when
- 23:08we don't have a clear sense of identity, then we are malleable.
- 23:14We can be manipulated. And there's a whole lot
- 23:18of mischief that you can do when you are living in what Michael
- 23:23the Heresy Hunter called catechetically depleted environment.
- 23:27And one of the things that really disturbed me in this novel,
- 23:31Darkness at Noon, which I do recommend that you read,
- 23:35is that whenever it was somebody else's turn to be
- 23:39the arrestor and the torturer and
- 23:43the executioner was they
- 23:48seemed to be stubborn in their belief that
- 23:53if we just do the ugly thing now,
- 23:58some very great good is
- 24:01going to happen. And,
- 24:05you know, I look at the murder of Charlie Kirk, I look at the aftermath
- 24:09of 9/11, I look at the precursor leading
- 24:14up to the COVID interruption,
- 24:18and I say, you know what, I, I don't want to be lied
- 24:21to anymore. I don't want to participate
- 24:26in lies. I don't want to act as if
- 24:29this is all normal. I,
- 24:33I don't want to be a part of that.
- 24:36I don't want to listen to people or
- 24:40be forced to even be polite with people who get hysterical
- 24:44over people wanting to kneel to receive Holy Communion but
- 24:48have nothing to say about priests who bless their congregations
- 24:53with acoustic guitars. I don't
- 24:57want to be part of that madness anymore. I'm Jesuit Father Robert
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- 26:49Support us at thestationofthecross.com. Here we are in the
- 26:533rd segment of our Friday. Let's talk about this. We're making our way through Novel
- 26:56Prophecies Part 9, looking at Arthur Koestler's
- 27:01Darkness at Noon. And, um,
- 27:04like I said, it's basically the story of a true-believing
- 27:08communist who was a terrible person who served the revolution, who served the
- 27:12dictator known as Number One. Obviously representing Stalin,
- 27:16and eventually it's his turn to be arrested
- 27:20and tortured and executed, and he
- 27:24sees in himself, he sees in others what he used
- 27:28to be himself, that very smug,
- 27:31self-assured person who really did
- 27:35believe that if we just do the horrible things up
- 27:38front, if we tell the right lies,
- 27:42then history will vindicate us. And that
- 27:46was one of the great lies of communism
- 27:50and Marxism, was what they call a scientific
- 27:54determinism. It was inevitable that this, that,
- 27:57or the other thing should happen, and history will show
- 28:01and history will judge. And the claim was that Marxists
- 28:05could read the tea leaves of history and predict
- 28:09the inevitable outcome, and they predicted the inevitable triumph
- 28:12of the Soviet system, and we know how that— so
- 28:17the main character is writing and he's talking about Number One, who is,
- 28:21you know, the top tyrant, and he said, what if Number One turned
- 28:25out to be right after all? The horrendous thing about Number One was that he
- 28:29might be right, that here in the filth and
- 28:33blood and lies, the grand foundation
- 28:36of the future was being laid in spite of everything.
- 28:40History was a master builder devoid of
- 28:44morals and had nearly always mixed its mortar with lies,
- 28:49blood, and excrement. So says Arthur Koestler
- 28:53in his really troubling novel Darkness at
- 28:57Noon. It's a hard novel to read. I'm encouraging you to
- 29:00read it because again, it shows that evil
- 29:05always inevitably turns on itself,
- 29:10that the lie always comes for the
- 29:14liar. And what we need is courage to stand
- 29:18up and, as Solzhenitsyn said, let the lie enter the world but
- 29:22not through me. Here's another quote from Solzhenitsyn,
- 29:26and then I'm going to relate it to a Dutch bishop, if you can believe
- 29:29it. Solzhenitsyn wrote, the timid civilized world
- 29:33has found nothing with which to oppose the onslaught of a sudden
- 29:38revival of bare-faced barbarity other than
- 29:41concessions and smiles. The spirit of Munich
- 29:45is a sickness of the will of successful people. It is the daily condition
- 29:49of those who have given themselves up to the thirst after
- 29:53prosperity at any price, to material well-being
- 29:57as the chief goal of earthly existence. Such people—
- 30:01and there are many in today's world— elect passivity
- 30:05and retreat just so as their accustomed
- 30:09life might drag on a
- 30:12bit longer, just so as to not
- 30:17step over the threshold of hardship today.
- 30:21And tomorrow you'll see it will be all right, but it will never
- 30:25be all right. The price of cowardice will only be evil.
- 30:29We shall reap courage and victory only when
- 30:33we dare to make sacrifices.
- 30:37So says Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.
- 30:41So with that in mind, let's take a recent statement from a
- 30:44Dutch bishop. My conversational Dutch isn't very good,
- 30:48so I'm probably gonna mangle his name. Bishop Mus Sterts.
- 30:52And he says this, listen to this. This is a man who
- 30:56really believes in and who won't let his senses be
- 31:00smeared with distortion and distraction. This is a
- 31:04man who is preaching and planting with
- 31:08good seed, recognizing that we live
- 31:12in a catechetically depleted environment. He says this, the Catholic
- 31:16Church does not need a permanent synod about itself. It needs
- 31:20saints, bishops who teach, priests who pray,
- 31:23religious who live radically for God,
- 31:26parents who pass on the faith, young people
- 31:30who discover that truth is more than an opinion,
- 31:35a liturgy in which God truly
- 31:39occupies the central place,
- 31:42confessionals where sinners find forgiveness,
- 31:46seminaries that form men willing to
- 31:50give their lives to Christ,
- 31:52Catholics who do not constantly ask how the Church
- 31:57should adapt to the world, but who have the courage to
- 32:01invite the world to let itself be transformed
- 32:05by Christ. So says Bishop Musterts of the Netherlands.
- 32:11Thank you, Your Excellency, that was an excellent statement.
- 32:15Those who have the courage to invite the world to
- 32:19let itself be transformed by Christ. And why so is
- 32:23it that so many of the Catholic cadres of the
- 32:27People Who Should Know Better Club— why so is it that senior
- 32:32members of the Catholic cadres of the People Should Know Better Club seem to
- 32:36be so reluctant to invite the
- 32:40world to let itself be transformed by Christ?
- 32:44The short answer is, I, I don't know. I, I don't read souls.
- 32:49I tend to be rather modest when it comes to claiming insights into people's motives.
- 32:53But I will add a quote that I like citing from A.W. Tozer. If you're
- 32:57a regular listener to the show, you know I say it often. A.W.
- 33:00Tozer said, men unwilling to worship will
- 33:04demand to be entertained, and a pastor unable to
- 33:08call men to worship will offer to provide the entertainment.
- 33:13So I think that's where we are. Uh, if people
- 33:17with pastoral responsibility are reluctant
- 33:21or coy or hesitant to call
- 33:25the world to transformation by Christ, it makes me
- 33:29wonder about whether or not they themselves have been transformed.
- 33:33Let me give you an insight into what I mean. When I was teaching
- 33:36at seminaries, I said, if you want to be a good confessor—
- 33:40and then I'd add, and if you don't want to be a good confessor,
- 33:42let me know so I can help you pack— If you want to be
- 33:46a good confessor, you have to start by
- 33:50being a good penitent.
- 33:53You have to know, not just notionally,
- 33:57but viscerally in your guts and the roots of your soul,
- 34:01how much you need the sacrament
- 34:06of confession. You need to know it's liberation. You need to know it's
- 34:10healing. You need to know its startling, shocking joy.
- 34:15You need to know the, the thrill of
- 34:19finding sin absolutely repugnant.
- 34:23And that experience will give you the generosity and
- 34:27the patience and the zeal to hear confessions
- 34:32generously and wisely. And so for a
- 34:35priest who doesn't preach about
- 34:39confession, a priest who doesn't make time
- 34:43available for confession, I just have
- 34:46to wonder, I just have to wonder
- 34:52what his experience as a penitent is.
- 34:56If a priest is going to confession once a month or twice a
- 35:00month without fail and with gratitude,
- 35:04who's really living the graces of the sacrament,
- 35:08I don't know how he could then fail
- 35:12to be a generous confessor himself. Let me tell you a true story.
- 35:16I'm going to not mention any names to respect people's privacy.
- 35:19A friend of mine told me about her dad who had left the church for
- 35:24decades, and she had a very close friend who was a priest,
- 35:28and this priest badgered this gentleman for decades.
- 35:31Come to confession, come to confession, come to confession. Finally,
- 35:35the gentleman turned 80, and he said, you know, it's 80,
- 35:40and a couple things I want to get off the bucket list. I want
- 35:45to jump out of an airplane. And he was going to do the thing where
- 35:49you have the expert parachuter, you know, kind of strapped to
- 35:53your back, and he guides the parachute and so on. And he asked my friend
- 35:56the priest to join him. And the priest said, I will
- 36:00do that on the condition that
- 36:04I hear your confession first. Now, I will add
- 36:08that priest, whom I know very well, is deathly
- 36:12afraid of heights, and that
- 36:17he would want to go parachuting about as much as I
- 36:21would want to, you know, dive into a pool. From a
- 36:25springboard. So,
- 36:29but he was so zealous for souls, and he
- 36:32himself was so convinced of the liberation that comes from
- 36:36confession, that he faced
- 36:41his worst fear so that he could make confession available
- 36:44to another soul. See, that's what happens with
- 36:49true belief. That's what happens when you allow yourself
- 36:54to be transformed. And one of the things that
- 36:57I find interesting in reading this novel, Darkness of Noon, the true believers,
- 37:01the communists, really did see things in the world that were definitely
- 37:05wrong. You know, Tsarist Russia was not a
- 37:09paradise, but their remedies could only
- 37:13be wrong. Because the
- 37:17remedies always excluded Christ.
- 37:22Wherever someone has a great idea for humanity and consciously
- 37:26leaves out Christ, there will inevitably be
- 37:31mounds of corpses.
- 37:34Inevitably.
- 37:36Starting with the French Revolution and going forward.
- 37:41All these great ideas to make the human condition better,
- 37:47but without Christ. So now
- 37:50here's where the senior Catholic cadres of the people
- 37:55who should really know better club— this is where they need to cowboy up.
- 38:00This is where they have to say Jesus
- 38:04of Nazareth is Son of God and Son of Mary.
- 38:08The eternal Word of the Father, the Word made flesh,
- 38:12and our crucified and risen King is
- 38:16our reigning King right now.
- 38:20And all truth, beauty, goodness,
- 38:22the tranquility of order, which is peace,
- 38:27is found only, only, only in
- 38:32harmony with the reign of Christ.
- 38:36And lasting healing, lasting beauty,
- 38:40lasting goodness is generated among
- 38:44individuals and communities and cultures and nations and
- 38:48civilizations that have Christ at the center.
- 38:54And everything else at best is an inexcusably
- 38:59distant second best. And nearly all
- 39:03of it is marked ultimately by
- 39:07horror and tragedy and violence.
- 39:11People served the lie during COVID
- 39:15They served the lie in the murder of Charlie Kirk.
- 39:19They served the lie in relation to 9/11
- 39:23and the aftermath. Are we so very
- 39:26sure that we ourselves are incapable
- 39:31of being servants of the lie? Or shall
- 39:35we have the good sense
- 39:39to cry out, Jesus, Son of David, have mercy
- 39:43on me, a sinner.
- 39:47Lord, you have the words of everlasting
- 39:51life. Lord, to whom shall
- 39:55we go? I'm Jesuit Father Robert McTeague, your host every day
- 39:59of The Catholic Current. You want to stay with us for the rest of the
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- 41:21Praise be Jesus Christ. This is Father Robert McTigue of the Society of Jesus,
- 41:24your daily host for The Catholic Current, where we bring Christ to the world and
- 41:28the world to Christ. You're listening to us from the Station of the Cross Studios,
- 41:31your local radio station, the iCatholic Radio mobile app. We proclaim the
- 41:34fullness of truth with clarity and charity. Here we the
- 41:39last segment of our Friday. You know what that means, you and me? Weekend Readiness,
- 41:41reviewing the headlines of the week in light of the upcoming Sunday scriptures
- 41:45so we'll be all prayed up for Sunday Mass. As I am recording
- 41:48this, people are marking the first anniversary of the murder of Charlie
- 41:53Kirk. Uh, some people are mourning, some people are praying for
- 41:57the repose of his soul, and some people are delighting
- 42:01in it and asking, who's next? Who can we kill?
- 42:04Next. These are also the people who claim to be experts
- 42:09in inclusion and welcome and safe spaces. As you hear this,
- 42:12it is the 25th anniversary of 9/11.
- 42:16I was at the University of Scranton, a Jesuit school in Northeast Pennsylvania,
- 42:21on that very horrible day. I remember watching
- 42:25the scenes on television over and over again. I remember
- 42:29the students being traumatized because they had family and friends in New York City
- 42:33who worked there or lived there. It was like a nightmare
- 42:36that you, you couldn't wake up from.
- 42:40And I believed at the time pretty much everything
- 42:45that I was told about it. And I will just
- 42:49say that I, I look at things differently now.
- 42:53One of the things that's deepened for me, one of the convictions that
- 42:57is deeper than ever, is that human nature not
- 43:01in conformity to the grace and will of Christ
- 43:05the King is a distorted, troubling,
- 43:08dangerous, violent beast.
- 43:12And what I want us to learn from COVID and
- 43:15the murder of Charlie Kirk and the horrors of 9/11 and the horrors of
- 43:19the aftermath of 9/11 is that if
- 43:23we are not conformed to Christ the King,
- 43:27in every aspect of our being, we are in
- 43:30danger and we are a menace.
- 43:33And there was a time when senior Catholic
- 43:38cadres of the people who should really know better club really did know
- 43:41better, and they preached and wrote and taught and acted
- 43:46accordingly. And now I'm
- 43:51experiencing cognitive dissonance because It seems
- 43:55to me that many of the people who should know better don't really seem to
- 43:59know better and insist absolutely that we are
- 44:02not in a state of crisis in the church. So if you
- 44:06can help me out of my cognitive dissonance, if you can explain away my confusion,
- 44:11please do write me at thestationofthecross.com/askfather and say, hey Father,
- 44:15here's what you got wrong. And I look forward to hearing from you.
- 44:19Meanwhile, looking at the other headlines, um, People in the Middle East
- 44:23are killing each other. People on the Ukraine-Russian border
- 44:27are killing each other, and it seems that nobody wants to stop.
- 44:31There'll be more meetings about meetings. People are already
- 44:35preparing for the midterm elections in, in the United States.
- 44:39In many ways, it does seem to be business as usual. Price of gasoline is
- 44:43continuing to go up. Price of food is continuing to go up. I think that's
- 44:46going to get worse before it gets worse. And where is God
- 44:50in all of this? Well, I want to— talking about
- 44:55not being in harmony with Christ, you know, the horrible tragedy of the woman
- 44:59who murdered her 3 children, and then talking about living
- 45:03in a culture of lies. And one juror held out,
- 45:07wanted to vote for conviction, and the lawyer asked
- 45:12for the judge to remove that juror.
- 45:15So that he could get the result he wanted. And that's
- 45:19so much of what that book Darkness at Noon is about. When you abandon
- 45:23principle to get the result you want, you're not building
- 45:26a moral house in which you would want to live. So Bonnie Pierce,
- 45:31uh, was the opposite of Lindsay Clancy. She ran into
- 45:35a burning building repeatedly and, uh,
- 45:39brought children out and got severely
- 45:42burned and having a hard time raising money
- 45:46for GoFundMe. So here's, here's a woman who loved her
- 45:50kids and acted accordingly, and I do think that is good news.
- 45:54Now let's turn to the scriptures. If you're following the Novus Ordo calendar,
- 45:57the Pauline Rite, we're looking at the 24th Sunday in Ordinary Time,
- 46:01Lectionary, uh, 130. There's a
- 46:06few lines from Sirach 27.
- 46:09Sirach was probably my father's favorite book in scripture.
- 46:13Listen to this: wrath and anger are hateful things,
- 46:17yet the sinner hugs them tight.
- 46:20Oh my, oh my. And so then
- 46:24we jump ahead to the Gospel of Matthew 18: how many times
- 46:28must I forgive my brother? And 70 times 7,
- 46:31etc., etc. It's hard to talk about forgiveness
- 46:35and forgiving and forgetting and so on. And it is true It is certainly
- 46:38true that there can be a kind of healing that
- 46:43comes from exercising forgiveness. But what's
- 46:47often overlooked is that sometimes
- 46:52the person who was wounded needs some healing
- 46:55before he can exercise the power of forgiveness.
- 46:59So here's some of the best advice I'd ever heard about forgiveness, that the
- 47:03ideal forgiveness is where the wounded
- 47:08goes to the perpetrator and says,
- 47:11this is what you did, and this is the effect it
- 47:15had on me. And then the wrongdoer says,
- 47:18yes, that is exactly what I did,
- 47:22and here's why it's wrong, and here's
- 47:26how I understand that it hurt you, and now I shall make
- 47:30restitution. And here are the reassurances of the amendments
- 47:34I've made to my life so this will never happen again. And then somehow the
- 47:38relationship is restored. It's no
- 47:42longer decided by the offense. It's no longer determined by
- 47:46the offense. That's the gold standard. That is the
- 47:50ideal. It's also rare.
- 47:55Very often what happens is the person doesn't
- 47:58fully own it. Well, yeah, I did it, but it wasn't that bad.
- 48:03Or, well, yeah, I did it and I'm sorry, but what about when you do?
- 48:08Or maybe— and I see this often with people working with
- 48:11elderly parents— Father, I want to talk about stuff that happened
- 48:15with my parents decades ago, but they're elderly
- 48:18children right now. They simply can't
- 48:23come to terms. They're not capable of having
- 48:26that conversation. I said, well, don't force them to do what
- 48:30they can't do. And this is where you exercise forbearance, where the reconciliation
- 48:35is imperfect, but you value the relationship
- 48:40more than you value justice. And so
- 48:43you carry on. And then what if the person refuses
- 48:48to admit the wrongdoing, or the person disappears, or the person
- 48:51dies? Then I think there can be release.
- 48:57You commend the person to God. You resolve to
- 49:01not repeat the sin in your own life, and you
- 49:05say, Lord, I too am a sinner. Have mercy on me.
- 49:10And our Lord makes very clear that we do need
- 49:13to exercise mercy because resentment and
- 49:19vengeance, which is not the same as justice, can block
- 49:22off God's grace. And when I, as a
- 49:26sinner, realize that I have offended the infinite God infinitely with
- 49:30my sin, and He extends the offer of mercy
- 49:34to me, well then, maybe I can cut
- 49:38some slack for somebody else.
- 49:42Friends, I am a sinner, and I have been sinned against,
- 49:46and I don't want to begrudge our Lord a single soul. I want
- 49:50everyone to live and die as a saint and attain the beatific
- 49:54vision. And please do pray for that for me as well.
- 49:58May God's holy name be praised now and forever. I'm Jesuit
- 50:02Father Robert McTeague, your host here every day of The Catholic Current.
- 50:05Join us on Monday for another episode of The Catholic Current. You know how we
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- 50:38for me, for I am a sinner.