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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And The Suspended Civil Suits (11/1/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: Epstein's survivors, Jennifer Arreaz, has sued Ghislaine Maxwell in the
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Speaker 1: Manhattan Supreme Court under the Child Victims Act. This suit
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Speaker 1: took place on Monday and it calls into question, in
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Speaker 1: my opinion, what's going on with the compensation fund. Because remember,
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Speaker 1: if you opted into that compensation fund and you were
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Speaker 1: going to get a payout from that compensation fund, Then
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Speaker 1: you had to halt your cases against Ghislaine Maxwell, your
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Speaker 1: civil suits, etc.
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Speaker 2: etc.
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Speaker 1: Well, it certainly looks like Jennifer here is not going
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Speaker 1: that route. It looks like she's decided to sue Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 1: And I would guess that would preclude her from a
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Speaker 1: payout from the compensation fund.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: We really haven't gotten much information about the compensation fund
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Speaker 1: since we heard it went live. But if we're seeing
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Speaker 1: this situation like this and this survivor go after Ghislaine
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Speaker 1: in another suit, well, I think that you would have
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Speaker 1: to come to the conclusion that the compensation fund, at
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Speaker 1: least as far as this survivor goes, is not up
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Speaker 1: to par. And with that in mind, Jennifer Oreos, the
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Speaker 1: survivor in question here, has decided to sue Ghislaine Maxwell
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Speaker 1: in the Manhattan Supreme Court. So obviously we're going to
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Speaker 1: keep our eye on this and see what goes down
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Speaker 1: as far as the lawsuit and what this means towards
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Speaker 1: a compensation claim for her. But again, this is all
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Speaker 1: very confusing, right? All of this stuff is... crazy because
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Speaker 1: we don't have all of the information available to us.
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Speaker 1: So we got to try and put things together. But
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Speaker 1: I would think and I would certainly go out on
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Speaker 1: a limb here and take a wild guess that Jennifer
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Speaker 1: is most certainly not taking anything from the compensation fund
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Speaker 1: if she's going this next step and suing Ghislaine Maxwell. Now, again,
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Speaker 1: I'm not positive that's the case, right? I mean, there
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Speaker 1: might be some sort of other angle that we're not
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Speaker 1: aware of here. But as far as I know, if
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Speaker 1: you're going after the associates of Jeffrey Epstein or his employees,
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Speaker 1: that makes it so you are not able to make
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Speaker 1: a claim against the compensation fund. So I'm very interested
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Speaker 1: to see where this goes. And we know that previously
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Speaker 1: when she made her claims that Jennifer Reyes also named
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Speaker 1: other people in a lawsuit previously. And one of those
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Speaker 1: people happened to be Leslie Groff. And in that previous,
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Speaker 1: the previous complaint, it was Leslie Groff was the secretary.
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Speaker 1: Simberley Espinoza was the executive assistant. And Ghislaine Maxwell was
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Speaker 1: his accomplice. And that was what the original complaint was.
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Speaker 1: And now we have this new action by the survivor here,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Arias. And it is suing Ghislaine Maxwell in the
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Speaker 1: Manhattan Supreme Court.
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Speaker 2: So I would guess that.
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Speaker 1: Her and her team came to an impasse with the
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Speaker 1: compensation fund. And they decided that the best route for
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Speaker 1: them was to pursue... their case in other avenues in
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Speaker 1: other venues because obviously what was going on down there
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Speaker 1: as far as the compensation fund it wasn't something that
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Speaker 1: they thought was acceptable to their client and that's just
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Speaker 1: speculation on my part because if things were going correctly
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Speaker 1: down there for for them you would think that they
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Speaker 1: would hold off on this lawsuit and see the process
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Speaker 1: through with the compensation fund. But without that occurring, I
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Speaker 1: guess that we see here.
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Speaker 2: The next step, right?
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Speaker 1: We see the next step and how some of these
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Speaker 1: girls are going to go about this if they feel
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Speaker 1: like they're not being taken care of correctly by the
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Speaker 1: compensation fund. And again, I haven't heard anything in the
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Speaker 1: news from any of the survivors talking about it. Right.
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Speaker 2: So I'm not too sure which way it's going.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just speculating here why she would be filing
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Speaker 1: this suit. But you would have to think that it
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Speaker 1: has to do with the compensation package being offered by
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Speaker 1: the executors and those who are running the fund is
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Speaker 1: not acceptable to her and her team.
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Speaker 2: So let's jump into.
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Speaker 1: Our article today and see what the New York Post
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Speaker 1: has to say. This article is from the New York Post.
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Speaker 1: The headline is, Ghislaine Maxwell sued by Jeffrey Epstein accuser
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Speaker 1: over trafficking allegations. This piece was authored by Elizabeth Rosner
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Speaker 1: and Rebecca Rosenberg. Jeffrey Epstein accuser Jennifer Oreos sued Ghislaine
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Speaker 1: Maxwell on Monday for helping the dead pedophile recruit her
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Speaker 1: as a sex slave at the age of 14. So
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Speaker 1: you see what I'm talking about with the compensation fund, right?
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Speaker 1: With the language in the compensation fund, it would seem
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Speaker 1: to me that.
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Speaker 2: Mrs.
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Speaker 1: Araz here is going after her own pursuit as far
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Speaker 1: as compensation goes. And she's not going to partake in
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Speaker 1: the compensation fund. And that's the way it looks, right?
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Speaker 1: I mean, unless I'm missing something here, but it certainly
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Speaker 1: looks to me that she has decided to strike out
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Speaker 1: on her own and go after Maxwell in this Manhattan
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court suit. So I'm interested to get some clarification
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Speaker 1: as the day moves forward and we hear more about
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Speaker 1: this story. But it certainly looks to me as of
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Speaker 1: right now that whatever happened with their negotiations with... Endyke
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Speaker 1: and Kahn and Feldman and the compensation fund either collapsed
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Speaker 1: or were not acceptable to her. The lawsuit filed in
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Speaker 1: a Manhattan Supreme Court under the Child Victims Act alleges
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Speaker 1: that Maxwell used Epstein's wealth and power as a method
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Speaker 1: to recruit her and other female victims. We've heard that
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Speaker 1: story several times, right? How Maxwell was used to... bring
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Speaker 1: comfort to these girls, get them comfortable with the situation,
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Speaker 1: and then she would deliver them to the jaws of
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Speaker 1: the beast. And not only that, she would also, in
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Speaker 1: some instances, participate in the abuse herself. The 32-year-old alleges
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Speaker 1: that Maxwell provided organizational support to Epstein's sex trafficking ring,
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Speaker 1: identifying and hiring the recruiters of underage girls for Epstein's
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Speaker 1: sexual pleasure. So... What we're hearing here is, from Mr. Reyes,
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Speaker 1: is that Ghislaine Maxwell was in charge of hiring the
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Speaker 1: recruiters and she was charged with organizing the recruiters, like
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Speaker 1: we all knew. She was the top of that pyramid there.
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Speaker 1: She was in charge of making sure they did all
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Speaker 1: of their duties and that the criminal enterprise was facilitated. And...
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Speaker 1: Maxwell also scheduled massage appointments for Epstein with the girls.
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Speaker 1: As a result of Maxwell conspiring with Epstein, Arreaz claims
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Speaker 1: she suffered from Physical injury, pain, emotional distress, psychological trauma,
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Speaker 1: mental anguish, humiliation, embarrassment, loss of self-esteem, loss of dignity,
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Speaker 1: invasion of her privacy, and a loss of her capacity
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Speaker 1: to enjoy life. All of that sounds absolutely legit, right?
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Speaker 1: Physical injury, check.
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Speaker 2: Pain, check.
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Speaker 1: Emotional distress, check. Psychological trauma, yep, that occurred. Mental anguish?
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Speaker 2: You would think. Humiliation? That certainly fits the bill. Embarrassment? Yep,
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Speaker 2: that as well. Loss of self-esteem?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think somebody getting abused by these sick
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Speaker 1: bastards would lose all kinds of self-esteem, right?
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Speaker 2: Loss of dignity?
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Speaker 1: Well, that certainly falls under the category of that probably happened.
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Speaker 1: I mean, can you imagine how you would feel? And
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Speaker 1: to have to live with that day after day? Wondering
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Speaker 1: why you were chosen to be abused by these sick people?
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Speaker 1: Thinking there was something wrong with you? Thinking that it
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Speaker 1: was your fault? And that's what these survivors have lived
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Speaker 1: with ever since then. And it's absolutely disgusting to see
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Speaker 1: that the compensation fund obviously is not working towards making
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Speaker 1: that right. Arreaz had been the first person to sue
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Speaker 1: Epstein's estate under New York's Child Victims Act in July 2019,
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Speaker 1: which was eventually.
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Speaker 2: Tossed out after he died. So she was.
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Speaker 1: Suing him in the process of suing him when he died,
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Speaker 1: and then... obviously, according to New York law, you can't
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Speaker 1: sue somebody who is dead already. So they had to
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Speaker 1: toss that case out. So, I mean, you go after
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Speaker 1: the estate, obviously, but the person, not so much. In
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Speaker 1: August 2019, she sued Epstein's estate, Maxwell, and three unnamed
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Speaker 1: female household staff members. That lawsuit is still active. And
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Speaker 1: we just talked about who that was. Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 1: Kimberly Espinoza, Leslie Groff. So there were several people that
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Speaker 1: she named that were all, you know, people that are
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein co-conspirators or alleged to be Jeffrey Epstein co-conspirators.
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Speaker 1: And that suit that they were named in is still active.
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Speaker 1: So this is another suit on top of the one
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Speaker 1: that she already has going on. And I think that, again,
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Speaker 1: what we can take from this article is it shows
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Speaker 1: us that there's not much movement here with the compensation fund.
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Speaker 1: At least not in this case. Because if there was,
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Speaker 1: you would think that these suits would be halted and
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Speaker 1: they would get the money, the reparations that they deserve
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Speaker 1: from Epstein's estate. But instead, it looks like that they're
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Speaker 1: going after Maxwell and they're going after her in this
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Speaker 1: manner because they couldn't come to a resolution elsewhere. I
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Speaker 1: am once again able to take another breath as Ghislaine
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Speaker 1: Maxwell will be in jail until at least her trial
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Speaker 1: date next July. Oreos said after she was denied bail,
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Speaker 1: knowing that she is incarcerated for the foreseeable future allows
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Speaker 1: me and my fellow survivors to have faith that we
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Speaker 1: are on the right path. Lawyers for Oreos did not
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Speaker 1: immediately return a request for comment. So again, we're still
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Speaker 1: seeing these lawsuits pop up even with the survivor compensation
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Speaker 1: fund in play. And it just makes me wonder what
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Speaker 1: is really going on with that survivor's compensation fund. I
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Speaker 1: know personally, I have zero faith in Darren Indyke and
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Speaker 1: Khan being executors of that fund.
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Speaker 2: And I don't care.
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Speaker 1: Who the administrators are, what other projects they worked on,
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Speaker 1: the 9-11 compensation fund, whatever it may be.
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Speaker 2: I don't care about any of that.
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Speaker 1: What I care about is that this fund is administered properly.
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Speaker 2: There are thousands of.
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Speaker 1: Dollars being spent to house Epstein's old planes.
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Speaker 2: And what is that?
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Speaker 1: Why?
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Speaker 2: Sell them ASAP. Get rid of them.
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Speaker 1: Put them on one of Jeffrey Epstein's huge properties. Why
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Speaker 1: do they have to be.
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Speaker 2: Put in storage somewhere?
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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, as these idiots in the executors of the
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Speaker 1: estate continue to play their games, money continues to be
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Speaker 1: siphoned off of the estate that could be going to
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Speaker 1: these survivors.
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Speaker 2: So I'd really like to see.
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Speaker 1: What's going on with that compensation fund. I'd like to
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Speaker 1: get an update. I'd like to see somebody come out
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Speaker 1: and talk about what's going on, where we're at with it.
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Speaker 1: But again, we're at the, you know, we got to
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Speaker 1: wait for the courts to do that. We got to
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Speaker 1: wait for the courts to say it's okay or whatever
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Speaker 1: the process may be. But this doesn't give me very
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Speaker 1: much faith that things are moving in a correct direction.
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Speaker 2: With Ms.
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Speaker 1: Reyes filing this suit on Monday, yesterday in New York,
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Speaker 1: you would think that it is not a good look,
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Speaker 1: at least from her point of view. And her and
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Speaker 1: her team have decided to move in a different direction.
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Speaker 1: And I wonder how many of the survivors and their
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Speaker 1: lawyers are looking at the offers from the compensation fund
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Speaker 1: and are not finding those offers acceptable. So it's going
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Speaker 1: to be pretty interesting to see what goes on here
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Speaker 1: in the next few weeks as far as the compensation
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Speaker 1: fund goes and to see what goes on with Jennifer
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Speaker 1: Arreos' suit here. Because if it keeps moving through the
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Speaker 1: courts and we see it doesn't get paused or halted
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Speaker 1: or anything like that, then that indicates to me at
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Speaker 1: least that the compensation fund is not off to a
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Speaker 1: very good start. So we will definitely keep our eye
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Speaker 1: on that. All the other things that are going on, obviously,
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Speaker 1: we're watching that closely as well. So as these things break,
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Speaker 1: we will continue to cover them. these lawsuits that we
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Speaker 1: see against Jeffrey Epstein, if the compensation fund, if that
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Speaker 1: happens to break down, we will see an enormous amount
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Speaker 1: of suits like this and from many, many, many survivors.
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Speaker 1: So I think it definitely behooves the estate to do
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Speaker 1: the right thing. But when you're dealing with Indyke and Khan,
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Speaker 1: you probably should never expect the right thing to be done.
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Speaker 1: If you'd like to contact me, you can do that
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Speaker 1: at BobbyCapucci at ProtonMail.com. That's B-O-B-B-Y-C-A-P-U-C-C-I at ProtonMail.com. You can
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Speaker 1: also find me on Twitter at B-O-B-B-Y underscore C-A-P-U-C-C-I. We've
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Speaker 1: been talking about the lawsuit by Jane Doe who attended
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Speaker 1: Interlochen School in Michigan and how her attorney, Robert Glassman,
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Speaker 1: was not willing to be part of the compensation fund and,
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Speaker 1: in fact, was looking to push their cause via a
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Speaker 1: civil trial. Well, now we're hearing that the feds are
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Speaker 1: looking to have that civil lawsuit against Maxwell postponed because
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Speaker 1: they say that the information from that civil suit overlaps
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Speaker 1: the criminal one. So I can understand why they would
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Speaker 1: want to halt that civil case for now, put the
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Speaker 1: brakes on it, and focus on the criminal case, right?
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Speaker 1: I think that the criminal case takes precedent in this matter.
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Speaker 1: So that's why the feds are looking to get this
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Speaker 1: postponed here for a minute. So let's jump into this
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Speaker 1: article from ABC News and see exactly what the feds
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Speaker 1: have going on. This article says, was authored by James Hill. Headline,
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Speaker 1: Feds seek halt to civil lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell. Federal
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Speaker 1: prosecutors pursuing the criminal case against Ghislaine Maxwell in New
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Speaker 1: York are asking a judge to temporarily halt proceedings in
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Speaker 1: a civil lawsuit filed by an alleged child sex abuse
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Speaker 1: victim against Maxwell and the estate of the late sex offender,
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein, arguing that there is significant risk that proceedings
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Speaker 1: with the case would adversely affect the ongoing criminal prosecution
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Speaker 1: against Maxwell.
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Speaker 2: And remember, these are.
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Speaker 1: The prosecutors who are asking the judge to halt this now.
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Speaker 1: I would think that they have recognized some significant overlap and.
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Speaker 2: They believe that it will work To adversely... Affect.
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Speaker 1: The criminal portion of this case... So therefore... They're asking
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Speaker 1: that this... Civil suit... Be postponed... Not cancelled... But postponed...
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Speaker 1: And I wonder... just exactly what is in that civil
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Speaker 1: case that is going to overlap. I mean, obviously, we're
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Speaker 1: going to find out, I'm sure, as the trial gets
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Speaker 1: closer and we get to discovery and we get to
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Speaker 1: see some of the evidence prosecution has, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: But I'm pretty curious to see what is in that
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Speaker 1: suit as well. In a letter posted to the court
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Speaker 1: docket of the civil case this week, prosecutors from the
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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York asserted that there is a
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Speaker 1: factual overlap between the civil and criminal cases that could
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Speaker 1: result in premature disclosure of evidence and testimony from witnesses
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Speaker 1: who may be called upon in both cases. So basically,
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Speaker 1: this is confirming what we.
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Speaker 2: Talked about, right?
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Speaker 1: That the charges against Maxwell are based on what this...
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Speaker 1: survivor has told the prosecution so it's looking like from
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Speaker 1: where i'm sitting that everything lines up that this jane
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Speaker 1: doe that is represented by glassman is also the the
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Speaker 1: where the complaint stemmed that maxwell was involved in abuse
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Speaker 1: from 94 to 97 and that in turn is what
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Speaker 1: they ended up arresting her on so what they don't
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Speaker 1: want the the civil portion of that case and the
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Speaker 1: disclosure in the civil portion of that case to adversely
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Speaker 1: affect the chances of them putting Ghislaine Maxwell behind bars.
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Speaker 1: Such witnesses may be forced to testify about any efforts
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Speaker 1: to assist the criminal investigation and prosecution, and may thereby
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Speaker 1: expose facts about the investigation, and could potentially expose witnesses
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Speaker 1: and or their families to harassment, the government's letter states.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's a good point. I think it's
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Speaker 1: definitely a good point that the criminal portion of this
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Speaker 1: case should take precedent. It's very important that none of
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Speaker 1: the evidence or witness statements are provided to the defense
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Speaker 1: before the criminal portion of this case. We don't want
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Speaker 1: them having themselves some time to find a way to
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Speaker 1: defend those charges, right? We want to make sure that
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Speaker 1: they don't have any sort of benefit of time. We
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Speaker 1: don't want them to have a leg up. So I
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Speaker 1: think it's important that the criminal case is what's focused on. Moreover,
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Speaker 1: permitting any discovery to proceed in this lawsuit would enable
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Speaker 1: Maxwell to seek a preview of trial testimony in the
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Speaker 1: criminal case and would afford her with a broader array
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Speaker 1: of discovery than she is entitled to in the criminal case.
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Speaker 1: And there it is right there. That's what the prosecution
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Speaker 1: is trying to avoid. It sounds sinister at first when
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Speaker 1: you read the headline, right? You read the headline of this,
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Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell is the federal government doing
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Speaker 1: trying to stop a civil case? But When you get
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Speaker 1: into the context of it and you start to read
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Speaker 1: and research what's really going on, you understand that it
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Speaker 1: is essential for the evidence in the criminal case to
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Speaker 1: be safeguarded. Absolutely essential. The civil lawsuit filed in January
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Speaker 1: under the pseudonym Jane Doe contains allegations that are substantially
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Speaker 1: similar to those contained in the criminal indictment against Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: who allegedly groomed three minor girls to be abused by
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Speaker 1: Epstein between 1994 and 1997 and, in some instances, participated
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Speaker 1: in the abuse herself, according to prosecutors. Maxwell has pleaded
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Speaker 1: not guilty to the charges and has denied the allegations
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Speaker 1: in the civil suit.
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Speaker 2: So right there, the.
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Speaker 1: ABC News is talking about the same thing I just mentioned.
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Speaker 1: It is quite apparent that these allegations are the same
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Speaker 1: one that are in the civil suit and that Jane Doe,
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Speaker 1: who is being represented by Attorney Glassman, is the person
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Speaker 1: who we're talking about here. Now, who that person's real,
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Speaker 1: what her real identity is, I don't know or care
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Speaker 1: until she's ready to release her identity. then we'll just
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Speaker 1: continue to call her Jane Doe, right? And as much
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Speaker 1: as I want all of these gals to be able
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Speaker 1: to pursue things in a civil manner as well, if
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Speaker 1: that's going to impede the criminal portion of this case,
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Speaker 1: I think that it's important that it's halted, right? Temporarily
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Speaker 1: halted until we can figure out criminally what's going on here.
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Speaker 1: Because these people need to go to prison. In its
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Speaker 1: letter to the court, the government declined to address speculation
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Speaker 1: Maxwell's attorneys have raised in court filings that Doe is
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Speaker 1: one of the alleged survivors identified in the criminal case.
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Speaker 1: But prosecutors offered to make additional information available to the
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Speaker 1: civil case judge privately if necessary. Doe's attorneys have declined
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Speaker 1: to comment on the apparent parallels to the criminal case.
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Speaker 1: And again, look, I'm not going to get too deep
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Speaker 1: into that. I'm not going to dig into that.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: It's, it's, it's rather apparent what's going on here. It's
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Speaker 1: rather apparent that the, um, the parallels to the criminal
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Speaker 1: case and the civil case here are abundant. And it
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Speaker 1: is rather apparent to anyone paying attention that these cases
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Speaker 1: will have some overlap. And I thought that we'd see
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Speaker 1: this coming down the pipe, that there would be a
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Speaker 1: bit of a, um, a bit of a problem with
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Speaker 1: the two cases running concurrently, considering they're focused on the
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Speaker 1: same thing.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't know.
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Speaker 1: That the prosecution obviously would ask to halt one of
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Speaker 1: these cases, but I thought that we'd see something like
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Speaker 1: this at some point. By advocating for a stay in
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Speaker 1: the civil case, the government finds itself, in this instance,
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Speaker 1: aligned with Maxwell and the co-executors of Epstein's estate. who
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Speaker 1: have been arguing for months that the case should be
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Speaker 1: placed on hold while criminal investigations of Epstein's alleged co-conspirators
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Speaker 1: remain open. Absent a stay, Ms. Maxwell will be forced
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Speaker 1: to choose between her constitutional right to remain silent and
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Speaker 1: her active and vigorous participation in defending against and refuting
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Speaker 1: Dole's false claims in this case, wrote Maxwell's lawyer Laura
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Speaker 1: Menninger in a letter to the court last week. And again,
24:43
Speaker 1: without knowing everything that's in both of these cases, I
24:47
Speaker 1: think we have to take a step back and wait
24:51
Speaker 1: for more information to come out, right? Now, again, from
24:55
Speaker 1: what we know, I don't want the civil portion of
24:58
Speaker 1: Jane Doe's case here giving Ghislaine Maxwell the upper hand
25:04
Speaker 1: in the criminal case by giving her discovery early or
25:07
Speaker 1: materials that her and her lawyers should not have.
25:11
Speaker 2: So.
25:12
Speaker 1: We're going to have to see how this breaks and
25:14
Speaker 1: get a little bit more information here. But from what
25:18
Speaker 1: I see now, it most certainly looks like they don't
25:21
Speaker 1: want to put that criminal case in any jeopardy whatsoever.
25:28
Speaker 1: Those lawyers have consistently opposed those efforts, arguing in court
25:32
Speaker 1: filings that a stay would simply delay over long due justice.
25:38
Speaker 1: Doe is seeking to hold defendant Maxwell accountable for the
25:41
Speaker 1: heinous and sick sexual acts she committed against her over
25:45
Speaker 1: the course of several years while she was just a child,
25:48
Speaker 1: wrote her lawyer, Robert Glassman of Panish, Shea and Boyle, LLP,
25:52
Speaker 1: in a letter to the court. She is best served
25:55
Speaker 1: by pressing forward with her claims, not waiting even longer
25:58
Speaker 1: for justice. Well, I don't, you know, again, I'm not
26:02
Speaker 1: really privy to any of the information that Mr. Glassman
26:05
Speaker 1: has or what, him and his client have discussed, but
26:10
Speaker 1: I would think that if the goal is the pursuit
26:13
Speaker 1: of justice, then the criminal case is the most important one.
26:20
Speaker 1: Of more than 30 women who brought legal claims against
26:23
Speaker 1: Epstein's estate following his death last year, Doe is the
26:26
Speaker 1: only accuser who has thus far declined to put her
26:28
Speaker 1: lawsuit on hold, to pursue an alternative resolution via the
26:33
Speaker 1: Epstein Victims Compensation Fund, a voluntary non-adversarial program established by
26:39
Speaker 1: the estate that began evaluating claims in June. And again,
26:43
Speaker 1: I've been very clear. I believe that Doe has every
26:47
Speaker 1: right in the world to pursue her claims in a
26:50
Speaker 1: manner that she chooses. If she wants to pursue this civilly,
26:54
Speaker 1: I am 100% for it. But with that said, I
26:58
Speaker 1: don't think her civil case supersedes the criminal case as
27:03
Speaker 1: a whole. I think that she should be able to
27:06
Speaker 1: go after Maxwell criminally, but if the court decides to
27:10
Speaker 1: halt her civil case, then I don't think that she
27:14
Speaker 1: really has an argument that her civil case should be
27:19
Speaker 1: moved forward before the criminal portion. Doe alleges in her
27:25
Speaker 1: complaint that she was first approached at age 13 by
27:28
Speaker 1: Epstein and Maxwell in 1994 at a summer camp at
27:32
Speaker 1: the Interlochen Center for the Arts in Michigan, and that
27:35
Speaker 1: a months-long grooming process by Epstein and Maxwell continued after
27:40
Speaker 1: she returned home to Florida. And we went into detail
27:45
Speaker 1: about this whole entire allegation, what Doe claims occurred, and
27:49
Speaker 1: what supposedly happened to Doe by... Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. Doe,
27:58
Speaker 1: now 40, alleges that the sexual abuse by Epstein escalated
28:02
Speaker 1: over the next few years as Epstein and Maxwell asserted
28:05
Speaker 1: control over her life. She claims she was sexually abused
28:09
Speaker 1: at Epstein's homes in Florida, New York, and his ranch
28:13
Speaker 1: in New Mexico, and that she would often travel to
28:15
Speaker 1: those locations with Epstein and Maxwell on one of Epstein's
28:19
Speaker 1: private jets. Now, that's the same story we've heard from
28:23
Speaker 1: all the other girls, basically, right? The ones that were
28:25
Speaker 1: chosen to be abused by Maxwell and Epstein. It's the
28:29
Speaker 1: same story. The grooming process, the normalization process, and then
28:34
Speaker 1: the abuse starts. Epstein's system of abuse was facilitated in
28:42
Speaker 1: large part by his co-conspirator and accomplice, Maxwell... who helped
28:47
Speaker 1: supply him with a steady stream of young and vulnerable girls,
28:50
Speaker 1: the complaint said. During Doe's time in New York, Maxwell
28:55
Speaker 1: also regularly facilitated Epstein's abuse of Doe and was frequently
29:00
Speaker 1: present when it occurred. And you wonder why I call
29:03
Speaker 1: her general all-around scumbag, fellow child abuser, and a bipedal serpent.
29:11
Speaker 2: That is why.
29:12
Speaker 1: She was not just a procurer or a groomer or
29:15
Speaker 1: anything of the sort.
29:18
Speaker 2: She took part.
29:22
Speaker 1: Maxwell formally requested a stay in Doe's case last month,
29:26
Speaker 1: arguing that Doe had failed to articulate a cogent reason
29:30
Speaker 1: for wanting to press ahead with her lawsuit while the
29:32
Speaker 1: criminal case is ongoing and while Doe can choose to
29:35
Speaker 1: present her claims to the estate's compensation fund. And again,
29:39
Speaker 1: I think that Doe should be able to pursue this
29:42
Speaker 1: in whatever means she wants to and whatever means are
29:46
Speaker 1: available under the law, but I don't think her claim
29:50
Speaker 1: supersedes the criminal one. If it's money she seeks, she
29:57
Speaker 1: can pursue it in the claims program manager wrote in
29:59
Speaker 1: a letter to the court last week. If it's justice
30:02
Speaker 1: she seeks, the criminal case will resolve those issues one
30:05
Speaker 1: way or the other. Those lawyers have countered that a
30:08
Speaker 1: stay of the case would deprive her and the public
30:11
Speaker 1: with an opportunity to learn long-hidden information about Epstein's alleged
30:16
Speaker 1: criminal sex trafficking operation and Maxwell's alleged role in it. Well...
30:21
Speaker 1: I would say that that would be the case if
30:23
Speaker 1: we didn't have the criminal case running concurrently. But I
30:26
Speaker 1: think that in discovery of the criminal case, everything that
30:29
Speaker 1: we'll learn or would learn in this civil case, we're
30:32
Speaker 1: going to learn in the criminal case. And you can
30:35
Speaker 1: times it by 10 because a lot is.
30:38
Speaker 2: Going to come out.
30:40
Speaker 1: And obviously, they know that overlap would happen. So the
30:43
Speaker 1: stuff that's in that civil case is going to be
30:46
Speaker 1: in this criminal case as well, at least a good
30:48
Speaker 1: portion of it, in my opinion. The continuation of this
30:56
Speaker 1: last remaining civil avenue can furnish the public with critical
30:59
Speaker 1: information as to defendant Maxwell's well-known criminal enterprise, how it
31:04
Speaker 1: was operated, and all those involved. A stay of the
31:08
Speaker 1: civil proceedings would provide what defendant Maxwell has sought for years,
31:13
Speaker 1: concealing her heinous acts from public view, Glassman wrote to
31:16
Speaker 1: the court last month. And again, if it wasn't for
31:21
Speaker 1: the criminal case, I would 100% agree with Glassman here.
31:25
Speaker 1: But if this is going to, in any way, jeopardize
31:31
Speaker 1: Maxwell going to prison, then I have to side with
31:35
Speaker 1: the criminal portion of this, with the portion of the
31:39
Speaker 1: case that's going to actually mete out consequences. The government's
31:45
Speaker 1: letter indicates that prosecutors... Recognizing Doe's interest in pursuing her
31:50
Speaker 1: case had considered alternatives to its position before asking the
31:55
Speaker 1: court to put the case on hold pending Maxwell's trial.
31:59
Speaker 1: So that means Allison Moe and the rest of the
32:03
Speaker 1: prosecution of Ghislaine Maxwell, they took a look at all
32:07
Speaker 1: of this and I'm sure that Allison Moe did her
32:10
Speaker 1: due diligence, right? Of all of these prosecutors we have
32:13
Speaker 1: dealt with, Allison Moe seems to be the most trustworthy.
32:18
Speaker 1: And if she is taking a look at this and
32:21
Speaker 1: she sees the overlap here and she thinks that it's
32:24
Speaker 1: going to hurt the criminal case, then I totally understand
32:29
Speaker 1: why she would be asking to put this on hold.
32:32
Speaker 1: Nobody's saying that Doe can't pursue these claims. What they're
32:37
Speaker 1: saying is they want the criminal case to happen first.
32:42
Speaker 1: After carefully considering the issues in this case... And the
32:46
Speaker 1: pending criminal case, the government respectfully submits that nothing short
32:50
Speaker 1: of a full stay of this matter would address the
32:53
Speaker 1: government's concerns and preserve the public's substantial interest in avoiding
32:57
Speaker 1: interference with prosecution of the criminal case, prosecutors wrote. The
33:03
Speaker 1: judge overseeing Doe's case has yet to issue a decision.
33:08
Speaker 1: So again, it's all about the criminal case, right? as
33:12
Speaker 1: far as we know here, as far as we can see,
33:16
Speaker 1: this is all about preserving the criminal portion of this case.
33:21
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, that is really what matters
33:25
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it right now. What matters
33:28
Speaker 1: is the prosecution of the people who were involved in
33:32
Speaker 1: the criminal enterprise. And that all starts with making sure
33:36
Speaker 1: that Ghislaine Maxwell has no loopholes or technicalities such as
33:42
Speaker 1: overlap from two concurrent trials to give her the wiggle
33:48
Speaker 1: room she needs to get off of the hook. This
33:51
Speaker 1: has to be ironclad. All of the T's must be crossed.
33:57
Speaker 1: Everything must be locked in. And it must be completely
34:03
Speaker 1: and utterly unassailable by the defense. That is why I
34:07
Speaker 1: think you see the prosecution coming out here and asking
34:11
Speaker 1: for the hold, the stay. And that is why I
34:14
Speaker 1: think you will see the hold and this stay of
34:19
Speaker 1: the civil portion of the case be granted by the judge.
34:24
Speaker 1: I think that everybody is on the same page here
34:26
Speaker 1: when it comes to the prosecution of Maxwell and the co-conspirators.
34:30
Speaker 1: And I think that that needs to be the number
34:35
Speaker 1: one goal in this whole entire making sure that these
34:41
Speaker 1: people who were involved in all of this abuse, in
34:44
Speaker 1: the running of this criminal enterprise, in the facilitation of
34:49
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's crimes, are held accountable. If you'd like to
34:55
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34:58
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35:17
Speaker 1: And we have a new situation with two of Ghislaine
35:23
Speaker 1: Maxwell's accusers. Now, we know that Jennifer Arreaz was somebody
35:30
Speaker 1: who says that she was assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein and
35:34
Speaker 1: Ghislaine Maxwell. And she was not involved in that compensation fund,
35:39
Speaker 1: at least last we heard. According to her and her lawyer,
35:41
Speaker 1: they were going all the way to the mattresses, and
35:44
Speaker 1: they were going to see this out to the very end. Well,
35:47
Speaker 1: it looks like Jennifer Oreos and one of the unnamed
35:53
Speaker 1: accusers have dropped their lawsuits against Ghislaine Maxwell. And that
35:59
Speaker 1: looks like, and it seems like, They would do that
36:02
Speaker 1: because they are a part of that compensation fund now.
36:06
Speaker 2: That would be my guess.
36:09
Speaker 1: And that would be the guess of most people who
36:12
Speaker 1: are following the story, right?
36:14
Speaker 2: There's no reason for them to just drop their cases.
36:17
Speaker 1: So maybe we'll hear about some movement from the compensation
36:21
Speaker 1: fund in the next few days.
36:23
Speaker 2: Not too sure one way or the other. Hopefully we do.
36:27
Speaker 1: We know that they're getting a nice injection of cash
36:29
Speaker 1: considering the Palm Beach mansion. has been sold and it's
36:33
Speaker 1: looking like about 18 million will be coming their way
36:37
Speaker 1: for the Palm Beach mansion alone. Now you add in
36:40
Speaker 1: the New York townhouse, if they're going to be able
36:42
Speaker 1: to flip that anytime soon, figure it's sitting on the
36:45
Speaker 1: market at 77 million. If I was making an offer,
36:48
Speaker 1: I'd come in at about 73.5 and see if they bit.
36:53
Speaker 2: But again, who the hell knows?
36:54
Speaker 1: I think it's a different situation. then in Palm Beach,
36:58
Speaker 1: you're not just going to go into that place and
37:00
Speaker 1: tear it down and rebuild it. I mean, that's not practical.
37:05
Speaker 1: That's not going to happen. So I really don't know
37:08
Speaker 1: who they're going to get to purchase that place. There's
37:11
Speaker 1: a lot of bad memories there, a lot of bad
37:14
Speaker 1: juju around it, and who the hell wants to live
37:16
Speaker 1: in that townhouse and have a bunch of people outside
37:18
Speaker 1: gawking at it all the time?
37:20
Speaker 2: I think I'd pass on that.
37:22
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking there's going to be a little bit
37:24
Speaker 1: of difficulty flipping the house in New York. The island, obviously,
37:28
Speaker 1: I think that should be an easy sell. I don't
37:30
Speaker 1: know why that hasn't been sold yet. If I had
37:33
Speaker 1: the sort of money that these bipedal serpents have, I
37:36
Speaker 1: would have purchased that island already. And then I would
37:40
Speaker 1: have turned it into a retreat. for survivors of abuse
37:45
Speaker 1: and disease and whatever. Survivors in general would have been
37:49
Speaker 1: welcomed on my island if I was a billionaire and
37:51
Speaker 1: I was able to purchase Little St. James. And that
37:55
Speaker 1: island would be opened for free to anybody who has
37:59
Speaker 1: suffered trauma, PTSD, whatever. And I would make sure that
38:03
Speaker 1: I had it staffed accordingly with the right people to
38:06
Speaker 1: try and help people through this. I mean, is that,
38:09
Speaker 1: where are all of these billionaires that act like they care,
38:12
Speaker 1: that pump all this money into elections and get up
38:15
Speaker 1: there and bullshit you and act like they really give
38:17
Speaker 1: a shit about you, but they don't. Do you really
38:21
Speaker 1: think that if you couldn't pay your rent and you
38:23
Speaker 1: went to insert celebrity here, they'd give a shit about you?
38:27
Speaker 2: They would not.
38:29
Speaker 1: That's why I don't understand the whole entire hero worship
38:33
Speaker 1: type of situation. It's just, it's always been foreign to me.
38:36
Speaker 1: It will always be foreign to me. And I will never, ever,
38:39
Speaker 1: ever understand it.
38:41
Speaker 2: All right.
38:42
Speaker 1: So let's jump into our article. This article is from
38:46
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail and the headline. Two Jeffrey Epstein accusers
38:50
Speaker 1: dropped their case against his estate and Ghislaine Maxwell, indicating
38:54
Speaker 1: they have been awarded money under Victim's Compensation Fund. The
38:59
Speaker 1: author of this article is Matthew Wright. And if that
39:02
Speaker 1: is the case, and it does look like that, right? Again,
39:06
Speaker 1: there's no good reason for these two gals to drop
39:10
Speaker 1: their cases in the middle of the case, unless, of course,
39:14
Speaker 1: there's something going on on the back burner.
39:16
Speaker 2: And that is very possible.
39:18
Speaker 1: I would say it's probably likely, to be honest with you,
39:22
Speaker 1: because I really just don't see these gals dropping their cases.
39:26
Speaker 1: It just does not ring as something that is... Two
39:20
Speaker 1: women who were victims of Jeffrey Epstein... have both independently
39:24
Speaker 1: dropped their cases... against the pedophile's estate and Ghislaine Maxwell...
39:27
Speaker 1: according to new court documents. Jennifer Oreos sued Maxwell... said
39:47
Speaker 1: to be Epstein's madam, co-conspirator, general all around scuzzbag and
39:50
Speaker 1: bipedal serpent, in September for allegedly assisting in her recruitment
39:55
Speaker 1: as a sex slave when she was 14. Now, remember,
39:59
Speaker 1: Oreos was and her lawyer were very adamant that they
40:02
Speaker 1: were going to see this through to the very end.
40:05
Speaker 1: So something must have come up. They must have gotten
40:08
Speaker 1: or received a very, very, very favorable determination from this
40:13
Speaker 1: compensation fund. and decided it was in their best interest
40:17
Speaker 1: and in the best interest of Jennifer herself to take
40:20
Speaker 1: the offered money. Now, again, I don't have inside information
40:24
Speaker 1: on that, right?
40:25
Speaker 2: I don't have a line. I don't know Jennifer or
40:27
Speaker 2: her lawyer.
40:28
Speaker 1: But this is what the logical thought pattern leads you
40:33
Speaker 1: to the fact that they're probably starting to pay out
40:36
Speaker 1: some money from this compensation fund. Now, I don't know
40:40
Speaker 1: if that's ever going to be announced. I doubt it
40:43
Speaker 1: will be as far as details, right? I'm sure it's
40:46
Speaker 1: going to be a pretty private matter. And then at
40:48
Speaker 1: some point they will come out and say that they've
40:51
Speaker 1: dispersed X amount of money or something like that.
40:54
Speaker 2: That would be my guess.
40:55
Speaker 1: But I'd really like to start seeing some of these
40:59
Speaker 1: survivors get made whole. Got plenty of money in the estate.
41:03
Speaker 1: Got 18 million on the way. Let's start getting some
41:06
Speaker 1: of these claims paid out. And let's start letting these
41:09
Speaker 1: gals move on with their lives and start to rebuild
41:13
Speaker 1: what has been stolen from them. So I think this
41:17
Speaker 1: might be a positive sign in that direction, knowing that
41:21
Speaker 1: Jennifer Oreos and the unnamed Jane Doe have both dropped
41:26
Speaker 1: their suits, especially considering how adamant Ms.
41:30
Speaker 2: Oreos was.
41:34
Speaker 1: Oreos dropped her lawsuit against the British socialite, co-conspirator, general
41:39
Speaker 1: all-around scuzzbag and bipedal serpent on Monday, according to a
41:42
Speaker 1: Manhattan Supreme Court filing, the New York Post reports. So
41:47
Speaker 1: it was filed in the Supreme Court of New York.
41:50
Speaker 1: That was where the original lawsuit was filed, remember? It
41:53
Speaker 1: wasn't filed in the SDNY or with Judge Nathan or
41:57
Speaker 1: anything like that. There was a completely different judge. It
42:00
Speaker 1: was a completely different case. And it was being heard
42:04
Speaker 1: in the Supreme Court of Manhattan. So now that it's
42:09
Speaker 1: been dropped, I'm very interested to see what sort of
42:13
Speaker 1: movement we have here. and if this starts the ball
42:15
Speaker 1: rolling on some information trickling out. Now, I don't know
42:19
Speaker 1: if there's some sort of stipulation within the compensation fund
42:23
Speaker 1: as far as the survivors not being able to talk
42:26
Speaker 1: about the amount they receive. There's always some BS in
42:32
Speaker 1: the little words at the bottom of the page, right?
42:36
Speaker 1: There's always some nonsense. So I'm curious if there's any
42:39
Speaker 1: sort of restrictions on them talking about the amounts that
42:43
Speaker 1: they received if they.
42:44
Speaker 2: Wanted to, right?
42:47
Speaker 1: An unidentified woman who sued Epstein's estate in December has
42:51
Speaker 1: also dropped her claims, according to court records from Friday.
42:55
Speaker 1: The woman who anonymously sued under the name Jane Doe
42:59
Speaker 1: 7 was part of a group of nine accusers in
43:01
Speaker 1: the suit. She claimed in the lawsuit that she was
43:04
Speaker 1: sexually abused by Epstein in 2007 when she was 22
43:06
Speaker 1: years old. So, again, that's the unnamed doe that we've
43:14
Speaker 1: talked about. This is all context for us. We've talked
43:17
Speaker 1: about all of this. We've covered this. And we are,
43:21
Speaker 1: you know, all up to date when it comes to
43:25
Speaker 1: these lawsuits and where we're going. The only thing we
43:27
Speaker 1: really don't have any idea of as far as particulars
43:32
Speaker 1: is the compensation fund. But This story tonight just adds
43:37
Speaker 1: more context and follows along with the thread of Jennifer Arreos,
43:43
Speaker 1: the unnamed Jane Doe 7, and the other girls in
43:46
Speaker 1: the suit.
43:47
Speaker 2: This is just.
43:48
Speaker 1: Another avenue, right? We know that there are many layers
43:51
Speaker 1: to this case and it gets confusing. So my goal
43:55
Speaker 1: is to try and keep things as organized and locked
44:00
Speaker 1: in as we possibly can. to try and swim through
44:04
Speaker 1: the muck and get to the good stuff. The two
44:11
Speaker 1: dropping their cases could reflect that they were awarded money
44:14
Speaker 1: from the victim's compensation fund set up for Epstein's accusers. Again,
44:19
Speaker 1: that definitely is what it looks like. I can't confirm
44:21
Speaker 1: that one way or the other, but if history is
44:26
Speaker 1: a roadmap to the future, and a lot of times
44:30
Speaker 1: it is, then I would guess that there are payments
44:33
Speaker 1: being made and that we'll hear more about it in
44:37
Speaker 1: the coming weeks or months. In a separate suit against
44:42
Speaker 1: Epstein's estate, Arreos claimed that the pedophile raped her when
44:46
Speaker 1: she was just 15. The case is still pending. Okay,
44:51
Speaker 1: so it's a separate suit against the state and for
44:53
Speaker 1: Jennifer Arreos, that suit is still pending. That's interesting. So
44:57
Speaker 1: I wonder how this is all going to turn out. Obviously,
45:00
Speaker 1: I'll keep my eye on it And as soon as
45:02
Speaker 1: a report hits the news, we'll be here, we'll add
45:05
Speaker 1: it to the catalog, and we'll see what sort of
45:07
Speaker 1: context that provides. Last week, Arreos launched a foundation to
45:12
Speaker 1: help other victims of sexual abuse, which is a really
45:16
Speaker 1: great idea. You should check into that. Just look up
45:19
Speaker 1: Jennifer Arreos and her foundation if you're interested in something
45:22
Speaker 1: like that and see what she has to offer over there.
45:26
Speaker 1: The trial of Ghislaine Maxwell is not scheduled to start
45:29
Speaker 1: until July. but prosecutors must turn over evidence to our
45:33
Speaker 1: lawyers by Monday. And that's what we discussed last night, right?
45:38
Speaker 1: When we were talking about the evidence and how discovery phase,
45:44
Speaker 1: the deadline is coming up Monday and how the prosecution
45:49
Speaker 1: needs to have all of the documents turned over to
45:51
Speaker 1: the defense by then. Now they've already turned over like
45:55
Speaker 1: some 350,000 pages of But we're talking a tranche of
45:59
Speaker 1: like 1.2 million documents. So it's going to be a
46:02
Speaker 1: bunch of documents that have to be sent over and
46:06
Speaker 1: processed by the defense. And that's on schedule for Monday,
46:12
Speaker 1: according to the prosecution. Maxwell has pleaded not guilty to
46:17
Speaker 1: charges alleging that she recruited three girls in the mid-1990s
46:20
Speaker 1: for Epstein to abuse. Epstein killed himself, allegedly, in a
46:25
Speaker 1: Manhattan federal lockup in August 2019 as he awaited trial
46:30
Speaker 1: on sex trafficking charges. On October 30th, prosecutors sent a
46:35
Speaker 1: letter to a Manhattan federal court judge that they will,
46:39
Speaker 1: in the next week, give Maxwell's lawyers over 1.2 million
46:43
Speaker 1: documents from devices seized from Epstein's residences. So, again, there's
46:49
Speaker 1: the prosecution... coming out on record once again and saying
46:52
Speaker 1: they will meet that deadline, that the defense will have
46:55
Speaker 1: the documents that they've been promised and those documents will
47:00
Speaker 1: be delivered by the date specified by the court. And
47:04
Speaker 1: that is this coming Monday. So we'll keep our eye
47:07
Speaker 1: on that as well. I'm pretty interested to see what
47:10
Speaker 1: goes on there. And usually there are some really, really
47:15
Speaker 1: juicy tidbits in discovery phase, right? So I'm wondering about leaks, etc.
47:20
Speaker 2: etc.
47:20
Speaker 1: We'll have to keep our ear to the ground and
47:23
Speaker 1: see what turns up. They say they've turned over more
47:27
Speaker 1: than 350,000 pages of documents, including search warrants, subpoena returns,
47:32
Speaker 1: and some records related to law enforcement investigations of Epstein.
47:37
Speaker 1: So again, 350,000 documents, that is not a small amount.
47:42
Speaker 1: They have turned over roughly what, a third or so
47:46
Speaker 1: to Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers. And with the deadline looming, I
47:50
Speaker 1: am sure that there is going to be a mass
47:52
Speaker 1: dump very soon.
47:54
Speaker 2: So we'll see. We will see.
47:56
Speaker 1: And also remember, there is some evidence that the prosecution
47:59
Speaker 1: does not want to turn over until two months away
48:03
Speaker 1: from the start of the trial. So I'm interested to
48:06
Speaker 1: see how that works out as well. And if Judge
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Speaker 1: Nathan acquiesces to their request and lets them do that.
48:12
Speaker 1: Very interesting stuff. I'm fascinated by the way all of
48:15
Speaker 1: this is working in the federal courts. You know, again,
48:18
Speaker 1: I've never really followed a case this closely as it
48:21
Speaker 1: winds its way through the court system. So there's a
48:24
Speaker 1: lot of things I'm learning right along with you folks, right?
48:27
Speaker 1: Certainly not a lawyer, definitely not a lawyer. But when
48:31
Speaker 1: you dive in and you start trying to make heads
48:34
Speaker 1: or tails of it, the only way to properly do
48:36
Speaker 1: that is to have the right context. And for me,
48:40
Speaker 1: it's been just hugely, Hugely valuable to have all of
48:46
Speaker 1: these articles that we have went through and we've read
48:49
Speaker 1: together and we've put into the catalog because it paints
48:52
Speaker 1: the picture, right? It builds the whole entire blueprint of
48:56
Speaker 1: what's going on. Defense lawyers have complained since Maxwell's July
49:01
Speaker 1: arrest that prosecutors are slow walking the turnover of evidence
49:06
Speaker 1: the defense needs to prepare its arguments to challenge charges
49:09
Speaker 1: against the 58-year-old bipedal serpent. The arguments are due December 21st.
49:17
Speaker 1: Epstein died in jail, allegedly. awaiting his sex trafficking trial
49:22
Speaker 1: in August 2019. So December 21st is creeping up, folks.
49:27
Speaker 1: That is going to be something. I am really looking
49:30
Speaker 1: forward to that. The arguments and discovery phase, always going
49:34
Speaker 1: to be exciting. And obviously, if We have access to
49:38
Speaker 1: the phone system to call in and listen to the proceedings.
49:42
Speaker 1: I will obviously do that because, as you all know,
49:45
Speaker 1: I like to get it directly from the source if
49:47
Speaker 1: I can. So we got a lot of things going on.
49:50
Speaker 1: A lot of things are cooking. There's a lot of
49:53
Speaker 1: frying pans over the fire. And like usual, we have
49:58
Speaker 1: more questions than answers. So all we can keep doing
50:02
Speaker 1: is keep, you know, fighting our way upstream, trying to
50:06
Speaker 1: avoid the bullshit. and trying to process the actual information
50:11
Speaker 1: that is tangible to the case. So we'll just keep
50:15
Speaker 1: doing our best at, you know, reading between the lines
50:18
Speaker 1: and analyzing the news in this Epstein case as best
50:23
Speaker 1: that I can. As for tonight and the Daily Drop,
50:28
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if I'm going to have a Daily
50:30
Speaker 1: Drop tonight. I might just have a flashback episode. Obviously,
50:33
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on with the election still and
50:36
Speaker 1: I just have stuff going on today. So I'm not
50:39
Speaker 1: positive about a daily drop. There might be one. But
50:42
Speaker 1: if not, there definitely will be a flashback episode. So
50:45
Speaker 1: either way, if there's no daily drop, obviously I'll be
50:48
Speaker 1: back tomorrow morning to kick it back into overdrive and
50:51
Speaker 1: see where we're at. If you'd like to contact me,
50:54
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