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CRIMECON DENVER 2025: Gabby Petito - Say Her Name · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: She is a former prosecutor, legal analysts, host of Crime Stories,
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  Speaker 2: and victim's Advocate. Please welcome Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I want to thank you all for
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  Speaker 4: being up bright and early this morning to be here
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  Speaker 4: with who I consider friends. And you know, you meet
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  Speaker 4: friends in all sorts of ways, but I think friends
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  Speaker 4: that are the closest to me are those that have
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  Speaker 4: lived through something, lived through something together and come out
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  Speaker 4: on the other side, know, like in the fox hole
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  Speaker 4: with you, right, like people I tried cases with my
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  Speaker 4: longtime investigator, Ernest, my family who went through the murder
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  Speaker 4: of my fiancee with me. I slept in the bed
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  Speaker 4: with them every night. They tried to feed me, they
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  Speaker 4: helped me get back in school when I dropped out.
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  Speaker 1: They went through it.
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  Speaker 4: And we came out the other side. And I am
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  Speaker 4: so happy to introduce to you for incredible friends. First
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  Speaker 4: of all, let me introduce to you Joe and Ta,
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  Speaker 4: the parents, the dad and step of Gabby Patito, for
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  Speaker 4: all they've been through.
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  Speaker 1: She actually is gonna leave her pocketbook in a conference room.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, I think I'm right there. You still
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  Speaker 4: want to sit by him?
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Is that? Okay?
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know how these two they're just everywhere
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  Speaker 4: I turn there they are.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. First of all, you know she's here. Cheryl McCom.
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  Speaker 4: Sharapow Love is a forensic expert. We have worked together
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  Speaker 4: in Inner City Atlanta since I don't even remember.
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  Speaker 1: And she is still in law enforcement. And she is
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  Speaker 1: a star of a hit podcast, Zone seven.
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  Speaker 5: And laugh.
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  Speaker 4: But not past our colleague, our friend, professor forensics, said
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  Speaker 4: Jacksonville State University, the author of Blood Beneath My Feet
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  Speaker 4: on Amazon and star of body Bags at Joe Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 4: Now, and there is the power behind the throne right there,
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  Speaker 4: his wife, Kim.
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  Speaker 1: But let me tell you something, Joe Scott has a.
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  Speaker 4: Very different recollection of our relationship than I do.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So I was in Atlanta prosecuting so fast I.
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  Speaker 4: Couldn't even keep up with it, Like one hundred and
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  Speaker 4: fifty new felony indictments a week. Wait, that's twice a week,
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  Speaker 4: So three hundred knew a week to be sorted out
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  Speaker 4: by computer to twelve courtrooms, and one prosecutor would handle
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  Speaker 4: all the state's business.
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  Speaker 1: So needless to say, I was in.
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  Speaker 4: A hurry, okay, and I needed a death three pool.
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  Speaker 4: I needed to know the details in a murder case.
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  Speaker 1: Is that so unreasonable? So I call the morgue.
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  Speaker 4: I get some guy who starts some song and dansing,
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  Speaker 4: go why it's not ready.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a.
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  Speaker 4: Speedy trial demand on this case, and if I don't
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  Speaker 4: try it, it's an automatic acquittal.
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  Speaker 1: Are you familiar with speedy trial demands?
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  Speaker 4: If the state doesn't try it within two grandjury sessions,
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  Speaker 4: automatic acquittal. And he went, I'm like, he claims I
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  Speaker 4: cursed it him. I don't think that happened, and so
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  Speaker 4: I recall it.
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  Speaker 1: I hung up. He says he hung up on me.
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  Speaker 4: But that's totally not true. That said renowned author and
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  Speaker 4: death investigator Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert Cheryl McCollum, and
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  Speaker 4: who I now consider to be friends, Tera and Joseph.
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  Speaker 4: We got so much to talk about, but don't let
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  Speaker 4: me forget they believe it or not. You know, sometimes
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  Speaker 4: when you go through HGL, you just want to curl
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  Speaker 4: up in a ball.
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  Speaker 1: Guess what they're doing right now.
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  Speaker 4: They're trying to raise money for somebody else for a
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  Speaker 4: shelter in Laramie, not far from Laramie. It's called Laradise
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  Speaker 4: and for people that are going through the worst that
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  Speaker 4: need help. They're trying to raise money for a fence
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  Speaker 4: to surround the shelter. You know, a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: that have lived through what they have lived through are
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  Speaker 4: still so engulfed in that process, and I'm just a
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  Speaker 4: at what they are doing.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know what, I just want to.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to get to their foundation and Lara
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  Speaker 4: Dye and everything else they're doing. But I think I,
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  Speaker 4: like you, I'm so close to them. I'm not through
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  Speaker 4: a TV screen right now. I want to start with.
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  Speaker 1: When you knew.
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  Speaker 4: Something had gone horribly wrong. When I found out that
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  Speaker 4: my fiancee was killed, I just thought that there had
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  Speaker 4: been a car accident. I had no idea that some
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  Speaker 4: guy he didn't know shot him five times and destroyed
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  Speaker 4: my life and ended his life.
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  Speaker 1: So at first I didn't really get it. How did
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  Speaker 1: that day roll out? Let me start with.
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  Speaker 3: You, Tim, So Nikki had called us and said, have
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  Speaker 3: you heard from Gabby?
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  Speaker 1: Gabby's mom?
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  Speaker 3: Gabby's mom, I'm bonus mom.
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  Speaker 2: We actually say emotional support human just let you know.
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  Speaker 3: That's what the FBI called Jim and I. So the
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  Speaker 3: two Bonus parents were emotionally support humans. But anyway, so
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  Speaker 3: that she called Joe and she's like, have you heard
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  Speaker 3: from the kids? Have you heard from Brian or Gabby?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't heard from them in a while. And Joe
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  Speaker 3: immediately was on the phone with We knew she was
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  Speaker 3: traveling across country, so Joe was on the phone trying
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  Speaker 3: to figure out if we could locate her, locate her van.
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  Speaker 4: Is that normal from Nikki? If she can't find well Abby,
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  Speaker 4: then she calls you guys.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, Gabby was traveling, so we didn't know
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  Speaker 3: how much service that she had, so nothing was normal. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but yeah, if there was an issue or anything, yea.
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  Speaker 3: And of course Nikki would always call us and see,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, we would work together as four parents
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  Speaker 3: to try to resolve whatever issue that was going on,
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  Speaker 3: and that was normal. But this was different because we
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  Speaker 3: couldn't find her, We couldn't figure out where she was,
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  Speaker 3: so Joey started calling everybody. At this point, I was
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think it was serious. I was just like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: all right, well she's out there in the camping and
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  Speaker 3: she's exploring national parks and she's having the time of
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  Speaker 3: her life. Maybe she just doesn't have service.
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  Speaker 1: How long had it been? How many days?
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  Speaker 3: That was a couple of days. There was Friday afternoon
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  Speaker 3: where Joe looked at me and he was like, no,
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  Speaker 3: this is this is serious, like this is something something's
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  Speaker 3: not right. And he had a lot of trouble trying
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  Speaker 3: to even report her missing. They would not report her
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  Speaker 3: missing because in the state of Florida, that's where Gabby
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  Speaker 3: was living, you have to report her missing in her
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  Speaker 3: last known location. At this point we knew her last
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  Speaker 3: no location was in Utah Oat Lake, and in Utah
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  Speaker 3: it is where they reside. So we were having these
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  Speaker 3: issue of trying to get her reported missing. We tried
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  Speaker 3: to call the laundries. We had a friend in insurance
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  Speaker 3: who kind of got in trouble who gave us their
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  Speaker 3: phone numbers because we did not have their phone numbers.
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  Speaker 4: That is hard to take in that you couldn't get
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  Speaker 4: a hold of them. Nope, guys, if you don't know
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  Speaker 4: Gabby Bottito beautiful inside and outside.
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  Speaker 2: Takes after her dad.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's crazy because everybody used to say that she
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  Speaker 3: looked more like me, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's okay,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm like, she's way more beautiful than I.
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  Speaker 4: But send all this effort and converts her Ford transit
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  Speaker 4: into like a rolling camper and starts on an across
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  Speaker 4: country trip with the boyfriend was really the fiance.
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  Speaker 3: So they did get engaged, okay, but I I don't
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  Speaker 3: know if it was ever a serious engagement. I had
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  Speaker 3: to asked Gabby about it, and she kind of just
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  Speaker 3: like he didn't ask Joe for her hands in marriage.
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  Speaker 3: And we found out on a Facebook post from Roberta.
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  Speaker 4: So that would be Roberta Laundry, and that would be
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  Speaker 4: Brian the fiance, Laundry's mother, who have come under quite
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  Speaker 4: a bit of scrutiny the way that they handled the
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  Speaker 4: facts as they progressed. Please jump in, because Brian Laundry
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  Speaker 4: and Gabby set off on the cross country trip and
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  Speaker 4: then suddenly nobody can hear from Gabby, and then the
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  Speaker 4: next thing you know, the family starts getting these texts
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  Speaker 4: that don't make any sense.
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  Speaker 1: It would be like if.
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  Speaker 4: I texted Joe Scott about Cheryl and I said, where
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  Speaker 4: is crime scene analyst Ms? Cheryl McCollum dob like, that's wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Didn't Laundry send a text asking about the grandpa and
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  Speaker 4: called him by his full name. That would be like
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  Speaker 4: my sister texting me, how is Elizabeth Stokes Grace my mother?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with you?
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  Speaker 4: So they knew immediately this is not her texting. Gabby
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  Speaker 4: was murdered. And if it hadn't been for you guys
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  Speaker 4: putting it out there for social media and more.
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  Speaker 1: I remember when.
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  Speaker 4: Their handle was red blue and Methane saw a Ford
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  Speaker 4: transit in what is called dispersed camping, which is there's
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  Speaker 4: not an electrical hook up, there's not a porta potty,
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  Speaker 4: there is nothing but you and the critters saw her
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  Speaker 4: Gabby's transit there and called it in and Gabby's remains
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  Speaker 4: were found.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Laundry murdered her.
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  Speaker 4: But before he murdered her, he assaulted her on main
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  Speaker 4: street in some little town, and the cot named Gabby
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  Speaker 4: the aggressor, even though witnesses state they saw him it her.
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  Speaker 4: So everything that could go wrong went wrong, and somehow
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  Speaker 4: the laundryes knew more than you did.
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  Speaker 2: Well hurt no. The person who was responsible came home
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  Speaker 2: back into their house and I think it was twenty
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  Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. You know, they had the right to
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  Speaker 2: check twenty.
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  Speaker 3: Five thousand, and they sent a check for twenty five
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  Speaker 3: thousand dollars to their attorney up in New York, Berdolino,
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  Speaker 3: who then sent it to a defense attorney in Wyoming.
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  Speaker 3: How did they know the location in Wyoming that they
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  Speaker 3: needed to contens attorney?
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  Speaker 4: You slow down and say that again. So Brian laundry
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  Speaker 4: fiance walked to the door, and but I said, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: where's Gabby?
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  Speaker 2: Actually, no, that's not so he called. He called his
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  Speaker 2: mom on his drive home and they had a long conversation,
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  Speaker 2: and immediately afterwards the parents called Stephen Bertolino, and then
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  Speaker 2: I guess the next day a wire went from the
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  Speaker 2: laundries to Bertolino, and then Bertolino hired some high power
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  Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney in Wyoming, and that was the retainer
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  Speaker 2: of twenty five thousand dollars. No, I don't know about
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  Speaker 2: anybody in this room. If your child asked you for
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  Speaker 2: a twenty five thousand dollars check, are you guys gonna
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  Speaker 2: ask why?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Just wondering.
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  Speaker 3: So he actually also called his father, and his father
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  Speaker 3: had said, so this is Christopher Laundry that Gabby was
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  Speaker 3: gone and he needed help. And he tried to say
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  Speaker 3: Gabby was gone, ment that she just ran off, but
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  Speaker 3: he needed twenty five thousand dollars to pay to a
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  Speaker 3: dot sent Ye had to pay for a high powered
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  Speaker 3: defense attorney, and their attorney, Bertollino, is the one that
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  Speaker 3: signed the retainer, not Brian.
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 4: There is no parent child privilege like attorney client privilege,
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  Speaker 4: husband wife privilege, priest parishioner privilege.
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  Speaker 1: But none of this was revealed.
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  Speaker 4: What I'm saying is the all out search for Gabby ensues.
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  Speaker 1: And the whole time.
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  Speaker 4: The Laundryes allegedly knew Gabby had been murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Cheryl? Oh?
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  Speaker 6: I remember, And let me tell you there's no POS
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  Speaker 6: privilege with the pos either.
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  Speaker 2: Listens.
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  Speaker 6: The first time I ever had a conversation with Joe,
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  Speaker 6: the information I had was incorrect, but the information I
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  Speaker 6: had with he went to their house and knocked on
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  Speaker 6: the door and they wouldn't come to the door, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I'll go with you. I guarantee you they're
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  Speaker 6: coming out because we're gonna set it on fire. Because
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  Speaker 6: let me tell you, Nancy was my prosecutor back in
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  Speaker 6: the day when we were both in our twenties. Y'all,
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  Speaker 6: we had a good time in Atlanta too, But listen.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't know what she's talking about. I
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  Speaker 1: had two night jobs.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what she was doing. When I was
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  Speaker 4: teaching school.
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  Speaker 3: I had one job that I barely worked. I had
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  Speaker 3: some fun.
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  Speaker 1: But listen.
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  Speaker 3: What happened.
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  Speaker 6: I used to be able to work these cases with Nancy,
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  Speaker 6: just work the work and work them.
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  Speaker 3: And then I had children, and then Nancy had children,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to.
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  Speaker 6: Tell you, thirty days later everything about me.
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  Speaker 3: It did.
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  Speaker 6: It changed how I worked every case, especially involving somebody's child.
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  Speaker 6: But when I tell you I would have gone with him,
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  Speaker 6: I would.
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  Speaker 3: Have gone with him, no question about it.
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  Speaker 6: And I think y'all would have gone with us.
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  Speaker 1: Is that true? Did you go and knock on the door?
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  Speaker 2: No, I was informed. So we got a call that
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  Speaker 2: Brian was home with the van and Gabby wasn't there.
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  Speaker 1: How did you find that? Who told you that?
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  Speaker 2: So when we tried to get Gabby reported, we couldn't. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So it took Nikki begging on the floor of a
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  Speaker 2: precinct in New York to get her finally reported. And
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  Speaker 2: when the report finally went out, they did a welfare check.
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  Speaker 2: I guess at the house and I was going the
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  Speaker 2: next morning, and like around midnight, one o'clock in the morning,
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  Speaker 2: we get a call from Nicky saying Brian's home with
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  Speaker 2: the van and Gabby's nowhere to be found. And if
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  Speaker 2: I go to the house, I was told I would
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  Speaker 2: be arrested. And so if we didn't have Gabby, me
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  Speaker 2: getting arrested didn't serve a purpose and I needed it.
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  Speaker 1: Told you arrested, I.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't been able to contain it, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 2: and that was sound advice. You know you have who
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  Speaker 2: when listen, I hope no one is in that situation,
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  Speaker 2: you know, But if you have a job to do,
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  Speaker 2: and that is to find your loved one, being put
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  Speaker 2: behind bars isn't gonna help. It's only gonna compound the issue.
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  Speaker 2: So but we were fortunate enough to have four of us,
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  Speaker 2: and that's because you can't do this on your own,
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  Speaker 2: like you need support systems and stuff like that, right, So, Nikky, Jim, Tara,
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  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, they deserve all the credit.
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  Speaker 2: I bring nothing to the table its letting you know that,
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  Speaker 2: but they really do everything. But they kind of kept
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  Speaker 2: it where it needed to be and where the focus was,
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  Speaker 2: and that was just simply finding Gabby. And that's that's
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  Speaker 2: what we did.
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  Speaker 4: With that.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 4: When Gabby's remains or were found, was she identified first.
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  Speaker 1: By her shirt.
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  Speaker 2: So what had happened was they found her and they
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  Speaker 2: only had minutes to get to because Jim just happened
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  Speaker 2: to be in Wyoming. Uh well no, yeah, he Woming.
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  Speaker 2: We were told to stay in New York. Nick Nikki
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  Speaker 2: was told to stay in New York beause that's where
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  Speaker 2: the investigations started out of. But it was being run
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  Speaker 2: through the FBI in Tampa, so we were told to
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  Speaker 2: stay there. Jim said, screw it, I'm going to Wyoming,
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  Speaker 2: so he did, and when they found her, they had
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  Speaker 2: I mean they were running to get to Jim because
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  Speaker 2: a few minutes later it hit the news, you know
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  Speaker 2: what I mean. Once they put the tent up, they
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  Speaker 2: would helicopters and stuff. So they did identify her through
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  Speaker 2: her Bunger shirt, which is a local shop in Sable,
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  Speaker 2: New York. It was like a surf shop.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I want to follow through what you're saying to
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  Speaker 4: its logical conclusion, because in a case, when you are
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  Speaker 4: building a case, you get a med thousands of facts,
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  Speaker 4: and I call it marshaling. Marshaling your facts and evidence.
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  Speaker 4: You cannot go into a trial, specifically a felony trial scattershot.
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  Speaker 4: So every fact proves something, and it's your responsibility to
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  Speaker 4: determine what that one fact proves. She was identified by
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  Speaker 4: her shirt? What does that tell me? That tells me
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  Speaker 4: her remains had been left out in dispersed camping, which
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  Speaker 4: is nothing but wild terrain.
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  Speaker 1: Left there.
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  Speaker 4: In the hopes that animals would destroy her remains and
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  Speaker 4: that she would never be identified.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that true, Joe Scott?
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  Speaker 4: So that one piece of evidence tells me the frame
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  Speaker 4: of mind of the killer. Gabby meant nothing to him.
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  Speaker 4: He just left her there like a pizza box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And here here's the bit of irony here when you
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  Speaker 7: when you compare what he had done to Gabby and
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  Speaker 7: where he had left her, and you compare and contrast
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  Speaker 7: that with his remains that are found in that swampy area.
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  Speaker 7: His remains were affected by animal activity in that area,
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  Speaker 7: That which.
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  Speaker 3: Makes me really happy.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, And I have to tell you, you know, having followed
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  Speaker 7: it from the forensics perspective, and those the people that
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  Speaker 7: handled Laundry's remains there did a bang up job, you know,
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  Speaker 7: of having to collect because everything was particulated at that
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  Speaker 7: point in time. Again, disbursement, it has to do with
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  Speaker 7: the water. It also has to do with the animal activity.
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  Speaker 7: I I don't know. I don't want to wax spiritual,
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  Speaker 7: but when I think, you know, for a time, you know,
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  Speaker 7: Gabby became everybody's daughter, and I have a daughter that
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  Speaker 7: looks almost the spitting image of Gabby in it just
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  Speaker 7: broke my heart and generally I can detach myself. As
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  Speaker 7: horrible as the circumstances were, it felt as though to
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  Speaker 7: me that it was almost an angelic presence, you know,
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: there with her remains. As crazy as that sounds, that's
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: the way I've always believed it in my in my mind.
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: But back to the remains and how her remains were
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: treated by him trasting with how his remains were found,
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: and the corner out there that handled Gabby's remains did
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: a fantastic job given the isolated area that was out there.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah see, I could appreciate that. But here's the thing. Yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: when we went to go pick up her remains. I
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: can't prove it, you know what I mean, This is
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: only my opinion. There was paperwork you have to do,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: and Gabby's name was misspelled on the paperwork. So he's like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: all right, give me a few and I'm going to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: go redo the paperwork. It goes like ten minutes go by,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: he comes back, it's wrong again. Another ten minutes go by,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: he comes back and it's finally right, going through the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: paperwork whatever. So there for like a half hour before
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: we get her remains. It's my opinion that he tipped
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: off the some reporter for some outlet where, because there's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: now a picture of me leaving the corner with her remains.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: So it's great of a job that they might have done.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think it. I think that the just had
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: bad intentions, you know, in terms of getting money and
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: stuff like that, and that's a shame because that's not
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: something you want to see.
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: One other point adjacent to this that I found fast
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: Enats talking to Cheryl about this backstage, is that that
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: corner released a manner of death, which there are five
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: before a cause of death was ever released, and generally
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: it does not happen. I'm not saying that that's you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: bad and any necessarily, it's just odd because normally you
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: want to establish the physical funds.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: That's clear for our listeners.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: Cause of death is stabbing, choking, poison, asphyxiation, ligatory manual stanulation.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Manner of death is homicide, natural causes, undetermined suicide. I
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: mean it's different, it's too different categories. But to me,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: the fact that her remains were left out in the
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: middle of nothing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I've camped out there and hiked out there.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: There is nothing, but the animals didn't disturb either.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Right, I'm talking about his frame of mind. What can
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I prove based on that?
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: I get it, just such a callous disregard of her.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: He panicked well, and the fact that he came home
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: and his mom knew, They knew she was out there,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: they knew it. So how is a mother you're okay
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: with that? How is a mother you know that you're
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: a woman that's supposed to be your daughter in law,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: that has parents, that has siblings. How is a parent
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: do you do that? Because I know I would probably
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: kill my son right then and there.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: How many days passed from the time Laundry came home.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Two. No, they sent the money.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh nineteen getting home.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: No, so he sent the money. I think it was
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: like September one or second when Laundry get home.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: He got home on the first, the first, Yeah, and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: he found on the September nineteen, September nineteen.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So for almost the entire month of December.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: September, yes, thank you.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Of September, the laundries let them hang in the wind
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: looking for Gabby after they had already paid a defense attorney.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: They actually went. They actually went.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: They actually went camping and had s'mores.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, please tell them.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: They also went camp They also did like a planting
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: tree type of thing that I don't know what was it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: They uh, a planting class. It was like a couple
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: hours that they took, which was weird, like you're how
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: do you do that? Like your that's their frame of
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: mind too, how do you take Gabby? Was knowing Gabby's
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: out there, They're going camping, having s'mores, and they're taking
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: planting class.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Please tell them about the camping trip.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they had. They went on a camping trip. I
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: think it was September fifth through the seventh. They changed
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: the I guess you had to make reservations and whatnot,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: and they kind of changed the reservations because Gavey is
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: no longer there. And the sister, and this is the
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: part that blows my mind. Right, I'm gonna say this out.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: So the sister, Cassie Laundry, has a couple kids, all right,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: and those kids I feel really bad for because they
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: did nothing wrong and they have to go through lives
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: knowing that their uncle was a pos. I'm gonna use
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: that from that one, by the way, I'll want you
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: know that. And the mom let her grandkids hang out
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: with someone who just killed who's supposed to be the
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: love of their life. Would you guys do that? By
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: showy hands? Would anybody allow that to happen? Yet?
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Like no, that is disgusting to be trying to get
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: past the smores. R Rember, I did buy a shirt
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: which tells me the state of her remains.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: They couldn't say how to do the shirt.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: They're lying there in dispersed camping and Laundry's family. He
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: gets home on September one and they go on a
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: camping trip. I wonder if they thought their house was
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: bugged or something. But they go on a camping trip
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: and sit around the campfire and go hiking and have s'mores.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Can I jump in?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: What?
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Can I jump in?
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: Remember she changed the reservation.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it was supposed to be two.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: They went to three.
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: I wholeheartedly believed they were going to sit around and
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: plan his escape.
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: Right, I think answer for Tom. I remember being on
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: crime Stories when you we had actually speculated that they
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: had purchased some kind of cheap kayak get him into
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: the waterway, remember this, and that he was going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: you know, kind of vanish into the population in Tampa
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: and maybe get into a homeless area. We speculated about
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: this fort.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: To that, We looked at routes how he could go.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: They did get new phones, new simcards, knew everything, you
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: know a couple of days before. Doesn't we have a
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theory, all of us? Oh yeah, there's a video
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: of them going to at and T getting.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: New phones, found sim cards, still plan his escape.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: But here so well, now, Bertolino, they're a lawyer in
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: New York is a real estate attorney.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: He's not a criminal attorney.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: He's not a criminal attorney real estate. So was they
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: trying to get the escape where he was going to
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: stay in one of his houses.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: See, I don't think an escape was ever in the cards.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I really don't in all honestly, like, I don't, And
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: this is my opinion. I think the four of us
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: share it. You know, I don't think Brian killed himself.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: I we all think the mom did it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Yes, we do have.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I don't have the stones to do it himself.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: Let me just say, no one has been named a
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: person of interest or a suspect.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: But I did say.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Everyone has presumed innocent until praving Gilts.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: I did say, this is my opinion, all right, And yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think he had the stones to do it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I mean when you add this, so, there's some things
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: that just don't add up to me.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: You mean, like how they went walk when everybody had
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: been looking for laundry's remains and they walked.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I'm talking before that. So Brian drove to the to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: the to the spot whatever with his car, right, yeah,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: So the Miacahatchie Creek right or whatever.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: It was there on a thousand acres of Mosquito.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: So he drove his Mustang there and I guess like
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: two days went past and it was it three days
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: three days past, and the parents brought the car home.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Now it's not around the corner. This is a good
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: distance from their house.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: It's going to leave him out there.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, he doesn't have his keys, he doesn't have
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: a wallet, he doesn't have a phone. How is he
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: going to get home? Why would you take the car back?
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Why would you take his only mode of transportation?
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: The parents ever been charged?
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Well, well, listen, at the end of the day, it
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have served us any good. Yeah, we've had a
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: moment of yeah, you know, that's great, But right after
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: that moment, we're back to this sucks, you know what
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: I mean. So, but Nikky Tarrant and Jim myself, I mean,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: we kind of banded together and tried to use our
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: tragedy to help others because Gaby really touched so many people,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and it'd be wasteful and shameful to not utilize what
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: she went through to spotlight on how so many others
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: go through it. Domestic violence is a crazy thing that
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: no one likes to talk about. Can I curse? Can
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I can I curse? Hears that?
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Talk about it? Talk about it like I'm dead, worrious,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: like enough. Real, the shame of domestic violence belongs to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: the pos that does it and not the people that
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: have it done too, all right, And so if you
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: hear or know or see or it went through, you
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: put that shame where it belongs on the abuser, because
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: that's the piece that deserves it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Right on crime stories with Nancy Grace, what leads you
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: to believe that all along the laundries in you Gabby
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: had been killed and did nothing?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Of course, in our jurisprudence, you do not have the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: duty to act.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: You don't have the dity to save somebody, to report anything.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: You may have a fiduciary duty if you like, if
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: it's your child, or if you have a contractual agreement,
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: like you're a babysitter or a granny, nanny or a custodian,
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: But other than that, you don't have a duty to
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: report anything to the police at all if you don't
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: want to. In this case, what other evidence exists to
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: suggest that they took part in a cover up.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Or is there any Well, I'll tell you how we
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: got there, and this is because of their attorney, Stephen Berdollino.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: It's how we got there, and this is why when
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: you commit a crime, you don't hire a real estate attorney.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I just want that to be sounded. Vice. We had
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: our attorney, Patrick Riley, who, by the way, is an
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: amazingly handsome guy. I think my wife would leave me
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: for him. He wasn't married because she listen, he's tall,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: he's handsome, he's really tan. It's fantastic anyway. So he
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: was looking for a reason of how to bring that suit,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: because what happened was when everything was done, the FBI said,
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: we want you to go after them civilly because you
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: can get depositions, and those depositions we could use because
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: they would be public. So we said absolutely, but to
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: build a criminal case.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: So he needed.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: A reason to go after them. And what he went
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: after them with is the words from Stephen Bertolino that
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: we hope Abbey's reunited with their family. By the way,
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: in court, they turned around and said, oh, we never
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: meant her living. It could have been her corpse that
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: we met. That was that's what they said in court.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: By the way, those mastards right, screw them. But it
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: was because of their attorney that's what we got those depositions,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: and they thought it was funny In those depositions, Like
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: the mom was laughing, Roberta was laughing, like it was
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: a freaking joke.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: What everything just so that a whole burn after reading
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: letter that she had wrote to Brian. We don't know
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: when she said. It was right before the trip we have,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: we don't We still don't know when. She was laughing
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: The entire just a joke. Everything in that letter, me burying,
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: you know, helping you hide a body. Oh, that's it's
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: it's a children's book, from a children's book.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: ROBERTA.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Laundry wrote a letter to Brian Laundry offering to help
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: bury or hide a body, and the letter said burn
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: after reading.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: And according to ROBERTA. Laundry, what was the excuse?
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: It was from a children Oh yeah, it was a
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: children's book. So it was just an inside joke that
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: they had, you know, just something really funny. And but
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: her and Brian were having difficulties before they before they
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Gabby and him left on the trip, so she was
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: writing it to him to try to let him know
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: how much she loved him.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I've never offered to burn a body for my bury
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: a body, and I mean I never thought to say something.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: So it's like Norman Bates like that she would wash
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: him in a tub and stuff, like as a teenager.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: She is that was the mastermind? Like she was just
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: just sitting there at a deposition and they wanted us
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: to feel sorry for them.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Why do you say that?
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: Because they said it. Berlina was like they had pitchforks
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: in front of our house. There were so many people
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: with pitchforks, and you know that was so unfair to
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: us that they Why were they doing that to us?
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Why didn't we go to them and
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: try to, you know, have a relationship with them.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Where does any legal actions stand now?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Right now? Will the civil cases done? We had to
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: settle because of a law in Florida where if they
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: offer a settlement and you go to trial, if you
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: turn it down, and you turn it down and you
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: go to trial and they the jury awards you only
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: seventy five percent of that, you are you have to
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: pay all of their legal fees. Yeah, today, it's kind
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: of a way to make you settle so you don't
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: go to trial. Then there's the other issue of freedom
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: of speech, where they would have appealed and we probably
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: would have lost. We got the information we wanted. We
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: wanted them to be deposed. We wanted to see what
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: they were going to say in the depositions. We got all.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: We got those answers and that's all we wanted. We
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Once we settled with them, it was like a huge
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: weight kind of lifted off my shoulders. I just want
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: to forget about them. I don't want to think about them.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I have really crazy thoughts of like what I would
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: like to do to them, but.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Sometimes want to lay that out because I'm annoying, is anything.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: So we after we got the depositions, we sent it
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: over to the FBI because Christopher Laundry had stated that
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: Gabby was gone in the depositions and that you know
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: she They thought she just ran off and that's you
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: know why. But they did not do anything that was
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: that was it.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Did you guys have any idea that Gabby was being beaten?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: It's other than the mo app stop.
• 37:24
  Speaker 8: No.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, we did.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I did not like Brian why. I had co signed
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: a car for Gabby before she even reunited with Brian
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: and they started dating again. This is when we were
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: trying to get her to go to school and she
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: needed a car, and I was like, I'll co sign
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: this car for you. And but you're making the payments,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: you're going to school, and you're making the payments. I'm
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: just here, God forbid, you need something to help. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: you know she wouldn't have got the loan otherwise. Well,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: when her and Brian left to moved down to Florida
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: after their first trip, pretty much all payments had stopped.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: She stopped making car payments. She wound up returning the
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: car early to get the van and stuck me with
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: a thirty two hundred dollars bill to return the car early.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: At this point, I'm like, why isn't Brian helping her.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: They're a couple, they're engaged to be married. Like there's
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: some there's something not right there going on all these trips,
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: and I just felt something was off. I had felt
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: something I have. I guess like visions a lot. You
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: know you were talking about the spiritual aspects. I do
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: get visions and sometimes they come true, and there's a
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: god of questions regarding that.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: Do either of you feel that you have felt Gabby's
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: presence or communicated with her in any way since she
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: went to heaven?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: What happened.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I guess signs from her all the time. I actually so,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I felt her presence when we're sleeping. I would feel
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: like she was going to try to walk into our
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: room all the time and want to hug us. And
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I actually went to a psychic medium and they were like,
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: you need to just go to sleep so she can,
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: And they had no idea that I felt that they
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: had done. I didn't say it during this, no one
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: would know that. He didn't even know that.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Well, I have a deal with this, all right, Listen.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I don't mess with ghosts. Ghosts, don't mess with me.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: We're good to go. I don't. I don't know. Uh.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: When she was when we were trying to report her missing,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: there was a lot of rain and a lot of
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: thunder and we had just moved down to Florida. It
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: was like an unseasonal lea bat I'm sorry, un seasonally
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: a lot more than normal rain of rain and we
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: were actually going to get some a bite to eat,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: and they thunder lightning hit my car and it was
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: like next to you, right next to the car, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: I felt it in my spine and I was like,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: that was Gabby telling us to wake up. I knew it,
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: like I knew it right then and there, like that's
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Gabby coming to tell me, like we need to we
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: need to start moving along.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: And but look what's happened since.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: But she well she sends me signs all the time.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: No, no's not I mean, but look what's happened since Gabby?
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: You know all that happened. You see more missing person flyers,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: you know, on your social media feeds than you ever
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: have before. You see more missing person stories come up
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: on social media, I mean, on the regular mainstream media
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: than you have before. The Emmanuel Harrold we were talking
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: about before, you know, stuff like that. You start seeing that.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: You see domestic violence education, you know, programs being more
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: put into schools and stuff. And that's really because Taran Nikki.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: They go across the country talking about education and prevention
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: anywhere they can go, colleges, high schools, conferences.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of amazing programs out there, but they're
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: in pockets. So like one town will have an amazing
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: program and they're working with the DV Organization, but the
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: next town over is not, and the CV.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Foundation doing well.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: We will have that's on who you ask, because because
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it's four of us. Right, So Jim wrote an amazing
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: first responder program where he goes around teaching firefighters and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: emt s as you know, on signs of domestic violence
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: and how to spot those and give information where to
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: go if you're in that situation, because that's the number
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: one thing anyone here like see. That might be the
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: wrong audience for this, but if you're in a domestic
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: violent situation that's non violent, does anyone not know where
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to go? And don't be afraid. You can raise your
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: hand if you if you don't know where to call,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: we always say the National Domestic Violence Hotline one eight
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy nine nine safe is the number that
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: we like to give out. It's a great starting point.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: But most people don't know where to go, all right,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: So Jim, he wrote that program, he's going around. Matter
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: of fact, I think it just went into the fdi
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: C where it's going to get credited for it. So
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: that's actually the Jim is absolutely hopefully well.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: He's a first responder. Yeah, and that's what he built
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: his that's his career and he never received any type
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: of DV training in his twenty years O wow of
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: being active surveyed on.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: And that's so critical here because in Moab, where Gabby
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: was alive with laundry, he domestically assaulted her.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: He slapped her. People saw him do it on main Street.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: And if he would do that in public, literally on
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: main street, right in the face, what would he do
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: behind closed doors. So when they were pulled over after that,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Gabby was saying, like, it's really kind of my fault
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: because I started it, maybe verbally, maybe she said something,
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: and then she got beaten and threatened that he was
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: going to leave with her car and leave her strand,
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: and she was trying to get back in. I mean,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: that is domestic abuse. And some have the cops named
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: her the aggressor. She's like this big and this big around.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: And she's the aggressor.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: He wasn't much bigger, you know.
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and the state of Utah, they were
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: supposed to be utilizing the lethality assessment. They had an
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: hour and a half with her, they could have utilized it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: It just was not mandated where now it is mandated
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: in the state of Utah, which we.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Got the law changed. We helped change the law there,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: yep ye.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: And in the state of Florida the law.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: We changed the law in Florida. Then we also changed
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: how missing persons are reported in Florida. And we also
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: did in national what's called Help Find the Missing Act
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: for for missing people. So and now we're working on
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the lethality assessment we did in Utah in Florida. Is
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: it October? I think I'm going up to New York. Yes,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: we're doing there and then's hopefully get passed in the
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: House UH in January for the next session and will
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: be five laws and four years.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Wow wow.
• 44:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: What is the name of the foundation for people to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: go look at our foundation?
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: It's Gabby Potito Founding Gabby Potito Foundation.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to Oh.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean so, so we actually designed shirts
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: and you can there. We also have a store so
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: to raise money and it all goes to help with
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: the foundations. So we're actually wearing two of the shirts.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: That we have on the store three three because I
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: get my hoodie on because it's cool. He will tell you,
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: like it's cool.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: So what kind of things do you do? Does the
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: foundation did well?
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: So?
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Jim's got the first Responder program. I do all the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: legislative work and then Tara and Nikky go around everywhere. Well,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Tara does all the back end work first.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I do a lot of the back you know, I
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: have a career, no paperwork for me, Yeah, so I
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: take it. I take care of all of the paperwork
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: and our bookkeeping and and all of that.
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Would you guys be willing to answer questions from the listeners, Absolutely,
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: but real quick, i'd you like so if I can
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: just wrote a part so I know, we talked about
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: Laramie in the beginning and Laradie.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: So Nicki and I are actually going out there next
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: week again to speak at their luncheon. Last year we
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: spoke at the and they had a hard time bringing
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: in people to get to this luncheon. Because Nicki and
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: I were there, they sold out, so that was amazing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: But when we visited the shelter, they did not have
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: a security fence, and that was something that was like
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: shocking because the survivors that are going there they need
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: that for their protection. It's about fifty four thousand for
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: this security fence. So we are we're going to donate
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: twenty seven thousand from the foundation and now we're trying
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: to raise the other half. So if you all find
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: it in your hearts and go to the Gabby Potito
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Foundation and just make a donation. You can do it
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: right through PayPal, put in a message that this is
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: for Laradise, Laramie or defense, and then we'll make.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Sure it gets Yeah, we're going to make sure that
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: they have security, like a shoe.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: On top of the twenty seven thousand.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Who has a question, Sure, y'all go to those mics.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: There's one on either side.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Right now.
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: I'm going through a situation. My niece, Hailey Rayley, was
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: murdered by her husband April of this year. I consider
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: what she was going through was domestic abuse. It wasn't physical,
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: but it was psychological and her husband had threatened to
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: commit suicide for maybe a year or two. We don't
• 46:51
  Speaker 9: know the whole story. Just like what y'all were talking about.
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: My niece wasn't found for like four days, but her
• 46:58
  Speaker 9: husband had committed suicide right next to her. My sister
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: was informed that nobody had seen her at her office,
• 47:05
  Speaker 9: and so that started the search for her. But like
• 47:11
  Speaker 9: I said, I just wanted to mention my niece's name,
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: and also I want to get the word out that
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: physical abuse is not the only domestic abuse, psychological abuse.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Is just as damning.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: I want to thank the whole panel, but thank you
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: for doing what you're doing it and thank you Nancy
• 47:33
  Speaker 9: for doing this today.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Yep, I'm so sorry for your loss. And her name
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: deserves to be heard. Name her story. You know what
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: creating awareness sometimes is putting those old the stories out there,
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: and it's not easy, it's difficult. But as we come
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: together and our hashtag is together, we can. We come
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: together as communities, we come together with our you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: their voices, their voices to be heard.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, yes hi.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: First of all, thank you guys all for being here
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: and especially you guys for your advocacy and everything.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: It's really inspiring.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: My question, so, I'm young, I'm on social media everything, TikTok.
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: I remember the news breaking, I remember watching it. I
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: followed the whole case throughout it, and I know social
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: media really helped build the case and I think really
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: helped where you guys are today. But my question is
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: where do you think the case really would have played
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: out if social media wasn't a part of it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think we would have found it.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest with you, I really don't when
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: you see and I'm not putting the you know, the
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: blame on the police. I won't do that because, to
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: be honest with you, I think they're very overworked, especially
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: when you start talking small communities like in Moab. There's
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: nineteen officers that in that precinct.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Matter of fact, I want to just say, there's nineteen officers.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: All of them are new except for one.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Right, you guess the one.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: The one.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: But when it comes to that, I don't think we
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: would have found her. And that's that's my opinion because
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: it was twenty five hundred miles and the way they
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: handle missing persons sometimes without the FBI getting involved, I
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: don't think the jurisdictions would have laid.
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: So yeah, if you're ever in a situation, use those
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: used social media.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: I mean that's how as I was saying, red blue
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: and the thing is there online their social media handle
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: saw the transit went that was like Gabby's.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: They have never met again.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: The day after Gabby was found, it's it's snow, snow,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: so we might not have Yeah, they would have stopped.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, it wouldn't have seen her until the
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: snow thought, so, Yeah, answer your question, I don't think
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: we would have, and it's because of you that we did.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So I thank all of you everyone to be honest
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: with you, and that's kind of the reason why we
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: do what we do now, is kind of payback the
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: help that you guys gave us.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: But we also have tools on our website. So if
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: your loved one ever does go missing, we have a
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: list of tools of how to try to get their
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: story out as much as possible.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And because you're on social media, I'd like to give
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: advice to everyone else here as well. Take as many
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: photos and videos, yes, because in the news or in TikTok, right,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: because that's I love TikTok. By the way, it's like
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: mindless to me, but it's also me, you think. At
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: the same time, you learn a lot. But the movements
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and the body language and the sound of their voice
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: helps sell their story. And that sounds horrible, like it
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: sounds really really miserable to say it like that, but
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: that's what gets it on the mainstream media to create
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: that awareness. So annoy your kids and take the videos,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: and I do believe it can help if needed.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, and we have those memories.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I want to piggyback on that because one
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: thing Nancy and I always do on every investigation re
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: and post behavior. Gabby was fantastic about posting video. She
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: was fantastic about taking you know, texting and calling and
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: checking in, she sent postcards.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: It all stopped.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. That's very probative, Nancy.
• 51:16
  Speaker 7: If I could say one thing, the line share. You know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: you hear about a lot of cases in the news.
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: We cover them, you know, and if it doesn't catch
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: the media's eye, there's so many homicides that occur that
• 51:32
  Speaker 7: no one ever, it doesn't make it through one cycle
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: of the news.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Here's a little truth for you.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: The line's share of homicides that occur out there are
• 51:43
  Speaker 7: not stranger on stranger deaths. You know, they paint it
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: like somebody coming out of a dark alley they're going
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: to attack in Yes, those who have the line share
• 51:53
  Speaker 7: of homicides occur with a person you're in relationship with.
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: They're rooted into astic violence. That's the line shared. The
• 52:02
  Speaker 7: ones that we say, yeah, almost ninety percent, and it's
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: people don't really grasp that. That's why what the potitoes
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: are doing this idea of getting at the grassroots relative
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: to the insidious problem. You're literally, and I know this
• 52:19
  Speaker 7: sounds so roque, but you're literally saving lives by doing this.
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: If you can head these things off in the future,
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: people like me that work for medical examiners and corners offices,
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: we don't have to show up. Wouldn't that be a
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: beautiful thing that you can take another path? Perhaps, you know,
• 52:38
  Speaker 7: you don't want people like me showing up, you know,
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: And unfortunately things get to this point where they boil
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: over and to those people in Moab, you know, they
• 52:47
  Speaker 7: had an opportunity to identify at that moment in time,
• 52:50
  Speaker 7: and in my opinion, they failed miserably.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: They've actually so you and NICKI were at a conference
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: where they came to you afterwards.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: And you guys were talking to them and yeah, so
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: there's a new officer that is in Moab and he's
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: really trying to revamp their their department.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: They're taking the right.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Step taking question, Yeah, yeah, what's your question?
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: My question is you mentioned that you didn't like Brian
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: very much. I'm wondering what.
• 53:20
  Speaker 9: Was the relationship before they moved to Florida, and do
• 53:24
  Speaker 9: you believe his moved to Florida with her was to
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: alienate her from the family.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: So before she moved down to Florida, they took a
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: cross country trip. They weren't dating at the time they
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: started dating. I guess on that said trip. The second
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: they came back is when they moved down to Florida.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: And at that point, yes, I do one hundred percent
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: believe he was trying to isolate her. I had had
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: a conversation with Gabby and I was like, listen, I
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: understand you want to go, and that's great, I said,
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: but you just took a trip. Maybe try to make
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: some money before you go down. Plan it so that
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: you're not just coming going down there and living with
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: him and his parents and his family. And the next
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: day they were they were already on their way, which.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: Is classic and domestic abuse to alienate typically the woman
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: from her family and support grate.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: So, yes, that happens.
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: See, that's something I didn't know, so never had any
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: you know, prevention classes. Never when I went to school,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: there was nothing that they didn't teach about domestic violence.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: So that's what we're trying to change now because everybody
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: should learn the red flags. Everybody should learn to teach
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: their children not to be abusers as well. It's not
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: just about being abusive or you know, learning the red
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: flags not being abusive.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: If you have children in schools, talk to your schools
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: about these programs, because there are schools that won't allow
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: us to mention certain things. Like we went down to
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: a state and they're like, well you can't mention sex.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, so we can talk. And I don't care
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: where you sit with you know, politics or other stuff
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: like I honestly, I just don't care about it. You know,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I care about treating people right, you know, be nice
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: to people. As long as you do that, you should
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: be good. And the fact that we don't teach our
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: children everyone was it's life skill. We teach life skills
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: like how to cook, how to sew, how about staying alive.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a life skill. So these things should
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: be taught. So if you have talk to your children,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: see if they if they're learning about it. If they're not,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: send them to our website. Find a different website. I
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: don't care which one you go. It doesn't have to
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: be us. Just find a program and talk to them,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: maybe show them the documentary, you know, and be like
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: this can happen to anyone.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: On our website, we have the Gabby Potito Alliance where
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: it's again together we can So there's other organizations on
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: there that you can. You can look on their websites
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: to see if there's any tools that might suit what
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: you need.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: This is a really cool program called Purple One. I
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: love talking about this program. It's got nothing to do
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: with our foundation. It's a really good show. What they
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: do is if you have a storefront, they'll they'll teach you.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: They'll do like a four hour class.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: I think it's a bystander program where it's a four
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: hour class. It's all online. It's free where they'll teach
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: you because you might not know what to do. You
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: have a you have a storefront, so they'll teach you
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: this bystander program and they'll put you can put a
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: dot on it. And they might only be allowed to
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: go to one store. So now if they go to
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: this store, they know that they maybe you can get
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: connected to some resources within that community.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: So if you have community or storefronts, that's a great program.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: It's it's nationwide.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Guys.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: You just had a case like this, the domestic violence
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: victim was mom took bought and her friend was allowed
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: to take her to the Indian spice store to pick
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: up the spices to make the foods.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: The only place she could go. Right, Just what they're
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: saying that that the Purple.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Great, It's a fantastic program. Definitely check it out.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Question.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: I have a fourteen year old and I teach her
• 57:06
  Speaker 8: all about the red flags and she rolls her eyes
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: and all of that. But I know that her friends
• 57:12
  Speaker 8: they don't know anything about that, And how can I
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: reach them and tell them? Like, I think it's a
• 57:21
  Speaker 8: good idea, you know, for that, I.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Think a movie is a great idea, Like Sleeping with
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: the Enemy with Julia Roberts.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I like that.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: That was a brutal one.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, say eh, that really happens.
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: I constantly send the children this one is missing, that
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: one is missing. I'm like, don't do what happened here.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Don't walk to your car across the parking lot by
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: yourself in the dark.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Don't this.
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, they're so over it, but I know they
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: see those texts, so at least they see the headline.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Just you can't quit.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: You'll find a way and encourage an open relationship with
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: your kids at all times. My oldest boy and my wife.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, he tells us too much stuff like.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's like I don't need to know
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: this information. But my other one he does not. He's
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: very quiet and trying to get like I mean, trying
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: to get answers out of him. Sometimes it's just one word.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: I just constantly and trying to have a conversation with
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: trying to constantly making sure that you know, he knows
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: I'm always there for him and that the lines of
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: communication are open. My other son, who the older one has,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: always has his friends over the same thing. I talk
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: to them. I talk to them. I try to have
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: their you know, an open conversation with them just as much,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: just so that they.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Know I have a great idea. Tell them about meeting
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Gabby's family. Yeah, and about Gabby.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, we encourage people to use Gabby's story. Oh yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: we encourage we encourage law enforcement to use the moebs stuff.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's been used around the country.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: So hey, guys, they have literally one more minute, quick question.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you you will.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Hi.
• 59:05
  Speaker 8: I was just wondering if you guys have had any
• 59:08
  Speaker 8: conversation or connection with Cassie Brian's sister, because her stories
• 59:11
  Speaker 8: have teached a lot.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: Did she ever admit to knowing anything. No, we have
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: not talked to the Laundries except with the deposition, but
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: that was it and we didn't even talk to them
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: our lawyers.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, I appreciate it, it's
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: not it doesn't serve us any good anymore. And now
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: it's about everybody else. So if you have a missing
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: person's story or you need help getting something out there,
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: you can reach out. We'll try and get it out there,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: you know, and do whatever you can to help as
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: many people as we can.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: If you didn't get all this information, they have agreed.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I think he agreed while you weren't there.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, but to come on Crime Stories at your convenience
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: and put out the websites, the numbers, the everything, and
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: if you want Twitter, FaceTime, Facebook, give us your questions
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: and I will send them on to them when they
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: join us next week. Because this one hour was really
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: just not enough, not enough.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: So we're also actually doing a five K right now,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: so it's a virtual five K. It started already.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I think I could do a virtual fuck yeah, and then.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: It's in person. It's up in New York, it's in
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: Gabby's hometown and that is on September twentieth.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: So guys, the message is say her thing, Gabby Petitas,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: thank you,