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Challenging the Narrative: The True First Football Game in the Midwest · Sports History Network

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  You
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  know,
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  it's
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  always
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  fun
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  to
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  look
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  back
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  at
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  what's
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  happened
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  in
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  the
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  past
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  and
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  appreciate
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  the
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  people
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  and
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  events
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  that
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  make
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  things
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  maybe
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  even
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  change
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  the
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  way
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  that
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  we
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  live
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  today
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  or
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  the
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  way
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  we
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  enjoy
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  our
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  football.
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  Tim
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  Brown
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  of
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  Football
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  Archaeology
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  does
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  this
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  quite
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  a
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  bit
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  in
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  his
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  writings
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  and
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  his
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  presentations
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  he
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  does
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  here.
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  We're
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  welcoming
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  him
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  here
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  again
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  this
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  Tuesday
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  another,
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  a
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  great
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  story
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  from
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  football's
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  past.
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  Tim,
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  welcome
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  back
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  to
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  the
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  Pig
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  Pen.
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  Thank
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  you,
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  Darin.
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  This
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  is
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  perhaps
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  one
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  of
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  the
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  most
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  important
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  questions
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  we
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  have
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  addressed
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  together.
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  All
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  right.
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  Well,
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  yeah.
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  Who
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  played
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  in
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  the
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  Midwest
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  first
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  college
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  football
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  game?
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  I
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  mean,
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  you
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  know,
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  that
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  is
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  pretty
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  important.
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  You
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  know,
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  it
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  is.
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  You
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  know,
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  I
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  mean,
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  it's
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  the,
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  not
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  the,
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  not
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  the
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  birth
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  of
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  football,
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  but
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  it's
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  certainly
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  the
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  heartland
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  of
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  it.
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  Yeah,
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  I
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  mean,
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  people
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  myself
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  may
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  argue
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  something
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  different
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  or
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  whatever,
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  but
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  I
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  don't
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  care.
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  You
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  think
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  about
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  it,
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  you
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  know,
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  the
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  Midwest
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  at
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  the
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  time
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  we're
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  recording
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  this,
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  the
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  Midwest
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  has
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  won
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  the
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  last
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  three
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  national
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  championships.
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  You
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  know,
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  when
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  all
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  these
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  Big
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  Ten
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  schools
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  are
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  Midwest.
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  So
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  they
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  won
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  D1,
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  D2
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  and
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  D3
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  this
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  year.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  Midwest
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  has
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  got
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  some
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  football
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  going
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  on,
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  that's
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  for
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  sure.
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  And
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  who.
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  And
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  Montana
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  State
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  won
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  fcs,
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  right?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  they're
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  kind
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  of
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  Midwest.
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  Yeah.
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  So
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  that,
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  I
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  mean,
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  that's
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  a
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  very
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  valid
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  statement
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  and
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  very
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  pertinent
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  to
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  the
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  modern
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  day
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  football
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  fan.
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  So
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  what
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  can
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  you
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  tell
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  us
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  about
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  the
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  story?
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  Yeah,
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  so,
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  you
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  know,
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  for,
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time,
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  I
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  mean,
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  like
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  myself,
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  you
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  know,
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  everybody,
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  you
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  know,
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  it's
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  the,
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  you
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  know,
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  you,
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  you
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  read
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  something,
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  you
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  depend
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  on
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  what
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  other
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  people
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  have
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  done
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  in
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  the
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  past
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  in
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  order
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  to,
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  to
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  build
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  your
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  work.
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  Right.
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  I
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  mean,
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  you
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  use
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  their
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  building
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  blocks.
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  Well,
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  sometimes
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  those
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  building
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  blocks
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  are
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  wrong
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  and,
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  but
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  you
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  don't
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  know
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  it
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  until
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  you
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  look
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  into
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  it
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  or
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  until
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  somebody
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  else
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  looks
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  into
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  it
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  and
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  finds
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  something
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  new.
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  So,
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  and
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  we
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  talked
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  about
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  this
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  two
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  weeks
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  ago
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  because,
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  you
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  know,
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  we're
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  just
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  chatting
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  about
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  how
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  history
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  kind
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  of
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  gets
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  reinvented,
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  you
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  know,
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  from
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  time
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  to
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  time.
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  Right.
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  And
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  either
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  because
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  new
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  facts
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  emerge,
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  liken
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  it
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  to,
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  you
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  know,
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  if
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  they
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  haven't
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  dug
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  up
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  that
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  fossil
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  yet,
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  we
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  don't
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  know
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  that
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  a
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  certain
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  dinosaur
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  ever
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  existed.
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  And
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  so
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  in
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  a
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  football
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  history,
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  you
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  know,
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  in
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  that
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  realm,
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  if
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  nobody
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  stumbled
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  upon
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  this
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  article
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  before
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  or
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  no,
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  nobody
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  went
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  looking
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  for
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  a
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  certain
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  thing
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  before,
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  we
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  may
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  not
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  know
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  that
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  it
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  happened
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  because
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  we
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  forget,
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  you
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  know,
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  or,
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  you
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  know,
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  society
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  forgets.
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  So
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  anyways,
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  for
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  a
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  long
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  time,
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  the
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  kind
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  of
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  received
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  wisdom
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  was
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  that
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  the
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  first
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  football
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  game
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  in
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  the
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  Midwest
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  was
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  Michigan
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  against
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  Racine
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  College
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  And
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  I
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  wrote
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  a
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  tidbit
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  about
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  that,
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  I
• 3:46
  don't
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  know,
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  four
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  years
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  ago,
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  something
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  like
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  that,
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  because
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  that's
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  the
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  story
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  that
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  I'd
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  always
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  heard.
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  And
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  so
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  then
• 3:51
  I
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  dug
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  into
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  it
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  and
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  found
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  newspaper
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  articles
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  and
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  said,
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  here's
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  what
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  happened.
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  You
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  know,
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  had
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  of
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  flavor
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  to
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  it.
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  And.
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  But
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  I
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  didn't.
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  I
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  didn't
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  check
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  at
• 4:00
  the
• 4:00
  time.
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  I
• 4:01
  didn't
• 4:01
  check
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  to
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  see,
• 4:02
  well,
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  maybe
• 4:02
  was
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  there
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  an
• 4:03
  earlier
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  game.
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  So
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  then
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  in.
• 4:08
  I
• 4:09
  forget
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  how
• 4:09
  I,
• 4:09
  you
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  know,
• 4:10
  kind
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  of
• 4:10
  got
• 4:10
  into
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  this,
• 4:11
  but
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  I
• 4:12
  ended
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  up
• 4:13
  coming
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  across
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  fact
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  that
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  Northwestern
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  had
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  played
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  a
• 4:17
  team
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  called
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  the
• 4:18
  Chicago
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  football
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  club
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  in
• 4:21
  February
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  1876.
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  So
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  somebody
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  at
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  Northwestern
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  must
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  have
• 4:27
  found
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  that
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  out
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  around
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  2014,
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  even
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  though
• 4:30
  I
• 4:30
  didn't
• 4:30
  find
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  out
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  about
• 4:31
  when
• 4:31
  I
• 4:31
  wrote
• 4:31
  the
• 4:32
  article
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  about
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  Michigan
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  and
• 4:33
  Racine.
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  So.
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  So
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  then
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  Northwestern,
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  because
• 4:42
  it's
• 4:42
  there,
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  like,
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  that
• 4:44
  game
• 4:44
  occurred
• 4:45
  in,
• 4:45
  like,
• 4:45
  February
• 4:46
  of
• 4:46
  1876.
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  And
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  so
• 4:47
  we
• 4:47
  just
• 4:48
  passed
• 4:48
  the
• 4:49
  150th
• 4:49
  anniversary
• 4:51
  of
• 4:51
  that
• 4:51
  game.
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  So
• 4:52
  that
• 4:53
  Northwestern
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  is,
• 4:54
  you
• 4:54
  know,
• 4:54
  making
• 4:54
  a
• 4:54
  little
• 4:54
  bit
• 4:55
  of
• 4:55
  noise
• 4:55
  about
• 4:55
  it.
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  So
• 4:57
  I
• 4:58
  think
• 4:58
  that's
• 4:58
  why
• 4:58
  I
• 4:58
  came
• 4:58
  across
• 4:59
  it.
• 4:59
  And
• 4:59
  so
• 5:00
  then
• 5:00
  I.
• 5:01
  I
• 5:02
  ended
• 5:02
  up
• 5:02
  looking
• 5:02
  into
• 5:03
  the
• 5:03
  Chicago
• 5:03
  Football
• 5:04
  Club
• 5:04
  because,
• 5:04
  you
• 5:04
  know,
• 5:05
  and
• 5:05
  in
• 5:05
  that
• 5:06
  case,
• 5:06
  it
• 5:06
  was
• 5:06
  a
• 5:07
  team
• 5:07
  that
• 5:08
  played
• 5:08
  rugby
• 5:08
  rules.
• 5:09
  You
• 5:09
  know,
• 5:09
  I
• 5:10
  mean,
• 5:10
  everybody
• 5:10
  called
• 5:11
  it
• 5:11
  football
• 5:11
  at
• 5:11
  the
• 5:11
  time,
• 5:12
  sometimes
• 5:13
  rugby,
• 5:13
  but.
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  So
• 5:16
  they
• 5:16
  were
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  Chicago
• 5:17
  Football
• 5:17
  Club,
• 5:17
  but
• 5:17
  they
• 5:18
  played
• 5:18
  under
• 5:19
  rugby
• 5:20
  union
• 5:20
  rules.
• 5:20
  And
• 5:21
  it
• 5:21
  was
• 5:21
  mostly
• 5:21
  made
• 5:22
  out
• 5:22
  of.
• 5:22
  Made
• 5:23
  up
• 5:23
  of
• 5:23
  English
• 5:23
  immigrants.
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  So,
• 5:25
  you
• 5:25
  know,
• 5:26
  we
• 5:26
  always
• 5:26
  think
• 5:26
  of
• 5:26
  the
• 5:26
  Canadians
• 5:27
  introducing
• 5:28
  football
• 5:28
  to
• 5:28
  us
• 5:28
  because
• 5:29
  that's
• 5:29
  the
• 5:29
  story
• 5:29
  that
• 5:29
  we
• 5:30
  get
• 5:30
  from
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  East
• 5:30
  Coast.
• 5:31
  Right.
• 5:32
  And
• 5:32
  that
• 5:32
  did
• 5:32
  happen,
• 5:32
  obviously,
• 5:34
  but
• 5:34
  here
• 5:34
  in
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  Midwest,
• 5:35
  it
• 5:36
  was
• 5:36
  the
• 5:36
  English,
• 5:37
  English
• 5:38
  immigrants.
• 5:39
  So,
• 5:40
  you
• 5:40
  know,
• 5:40
  these
• 5:41
  guys
• 5:41
  are
• 5:41
  out
• 5:41
  there,
• 5:42
  you
• 5:42
  know,
• 5:42
  they're
• 5:42
  trying
• 5:43
  to
• 5:43
  find
• 5:43
  people
• 5:43
  to
• 5:44
  play,
• 5:44
  and.
• 5:45
  But
• 5:45
  hardly
• 5:46
  anybody
• 5:46
  has
• 5:46
  heard
• 5:47
  of
• 5:47
  this
• 5:47
  game
• 5:47
  or
• 5:47
  played
• 5:48
  it.
• 5:48
  So
• 5:48
  they're
• 5:49
  playing
• 5:49
  people
• 5:49
  like,
• 5:50
  you
• 5:50
  know,
• 5:50
  the
• 5:50
  Chicago
• 5:51
  Barge
• 5:52
  Club,
• 5:52
  which
• 5:53
  must
• 5:53
  have
• 5:53
  been
• 5:53
  some
• 5:54
  kind
• 5:54
  of
• 5:54
  ceiling,
• 5:54
  you
• 5:55
  know,
• 5:55
  sort
• 5:55
  of
• 5:55
  organization,
• 5:57
  you
• 5:57
  know,
• 5:58
  a
• 5:59
  little
• 5:59
  bit
• 5:59
  later,
• 5:59
  it
• 6:00
  had
• 6:00
  cycling
• 6:01
  clubs.
• 6:01
  And,
• 6:01
  like,
• 6:02
  they
• 6:02
  might
• 6:02
  start
• 6:02
  as
• 6:03
  a
• 6:03
  cycling
• 6:03
  club,
• 6:03
  but
• 6:03
  then
• 6:04
  they
• 6:04
  play
• 6:04
  football
• 6:04
  and
• 6:04
  baseball,
• 6:05
  too.
• 6:05
  I
• 6:05
  mean,
• 6:05
  that's
• 6:06
  just
• 6:06
  kind
• 6:06
  of
• 6:06
  the
• 6:06
  way
• 6:06
  those
• 6:07
  clubs
• 6:07
  worked.
• 6:08
  But
• 6:10
  they
• 6:10
  end
• 6:10
  up
• 6:10
  playing
• 6:11
  Northwestern.
• 6:12
  And
• 6:13
  Northwestern
• 6:14
  was
• 6:14
  able
• 6:14
  to
• 6:14
  have
• 6:14
  20
• 6:15
  guys
• 6:16
  on
• 6:16
  their
• 6:16
  team,
• 6:17
  and
• 6:17
  the
• 6:18
  Chicago
• 6:18
  Football
• 6:18
  club
• 6:19
  only
• 6:19
  had
• 6:19
  15.
• 6:21
  And,
• 6:22
  you
• 6:22
  know,
• 6:22
  like,
• 6:22
  Northwestern
• 6:23
  hadn't
• 6:24
  bothered
• 6:24
  to
• 6:24
  set
• 6:24
  up
• 6:24
  the
• 6:25
  goal
• 6:25
  posts.
• 6:25
  There
• 6:25
  were
• 6:25
  no
• 6:26
  goal
• 6:26
  posts
• 6:26
  for
• 6:26
  the
• 6:26
  game.
• 6:26
  So
• 6:27
  they
• 6:27
  must
• 6:27
  have
• 6:27
  kicked,
• 6:27
  like,
• 6:27
  over
• 6:28
  a
• 6:28
  wall
• 6:28
  or
• 6:28
  they
• 6:28
  did
• 6:29
  something,
• 6:29
  you
• 6:29
  know,
• 6:31
  so
• 6:31
  then.
• 6:32
  So
• 6:32
  then
• 6:32
  I
• 6:32
  decided,
• 6:33
  okay,
• 6:33
  well,
• 6:33
  I'm
• 6:33
  going
• 6:33
  to
• 6:33
  look
• 6:33
  into
• 6:34
  this
• 6:34
  Chicago
• 6:35
  Football
• 6:35
  Club
• 6:35
  and
• 6:35
  just
• 6:36
  Try
• 6:36
  to,
• 6:36
  you
• 6:36
  know,
• 6:36
  gather
• 6:36
  up
• 6:37
  some
• 6:37
  more
• 6:37
  information
• 6:37
  about
• 6:37
  them.
• 6:39
  And
• 6:39
  in
• 6:40
  doing
• 6:41
  the
• 6:41
  legwork
• 6:41
  on
• 6:41
  that,
• 6:42
  I
• 6:42
  found
• 6:42
  that
• 6:43
  they
• 6:43
  had
• 6:43
  played
• 6:44
  Loyola
• 6:45
  of
• 6:45
  Chicago
• 6:46
  in
• 6:46
  December
• 6:47
  of
• 6:47
  1875,
• 6:50
  which
• 6:50
  actually
• 6:51
  makes
• 6:51
  it
• 6:51
  really
• 6:52
  one
• 6:52
  of
• 6:52
  the
• 6:52
  earliest
• 6:54
  football,
• 6:54
  you
• 6:54
  know,
• 6:55
  rugby,
• 6:55
  slash
• 6:55
  football
• 6:56
  games
• 6:57
  played
• 6:57
  by
• 6:57
  an
• 6:58
  American
• 6:58
  college.
• 7:01
  So,
• 7:01
  so
• 7:01
  then
• 7:02
  I,
• 7:02
  I'm
• 7:02
  like,
• 7:02
  okay,
• 7:03
  well,
• 7:03
  then
• 7:04
  that
• 7:04
  becomes
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  earliest
• 7:06
  football
• 7:06
  game
• 7:06
  played
• 7:07
  by
• 7:07
  an
• 7:08
  American
• 7:08
  college.
• 7:10
  And,
• 7:11
  and
• 7:11
  then,
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  know,
• 7:11
  we
• 7:12
  can
• 7:12
  get
• 7:12
  into
• 7:12
  this
• 7:12
  and
• 7:12
  argue
• 7:13
  about
• 7:13
  it
• 7:13
  if
• 7:13
  you
• 7:13
  want,
• 7:13
  but,
• 7:14
  you
• 7:14
  know,
• 7:15
  the
• 7:15
  story
• 7:16
  also
• 7:16
  kind
• 7:16
  of
• 7:16
  gets
• 7:16
  into
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  whole
• 7:17
  thing.
• 7:17
  Okay,
• 7:18
  when.
• 7:19
  At
• 7:19
  what
• 7:20
  point
• 7:20
  did
• 7:20
  rugby,
• 7:21
  like
• 7:22
  this
• 7:22
  was
• 7:23
  a
• 7:23
  rugby
• 7:23
  match?
• 7:23
  You
• 7:24
  know,
• 7:24
  both
• 7:24
  when
• 7:25
  they
• 7:25
  played
• 7:25
  Northwestern,
• 7:26
  when
• 7:26
  they
• 7:26
  played
• 7:27
  Lowell,
• 7:27
  it
• 7:27
  was
• 7:27
  a
• 7:27
  rugby
• 7:28
  match.
• 7:28
  So
• 7:28
  is
• 7:29
  a
• 7:29
  rugby
• 7:29
  match
• 7:29
  football?
• 7:31
  You
• 7:31
  know,
• 7:32
  is
• 7:32
  a
• 7:32
  rugby
• 7:32
  match
• 7:32
  from
• 7:32
  1875
• 7:34
  considered
• 7:34
  football
• 7:35
  or
• 7:35
  is
• 7:35
  it
• 7:35
  rugby?
• 7:37
  And
• 7:38
  if
• 7:38
  you're
• 7:38
  gonna
• 7:38
  do
• 7:39
  so,
• 7:40
  you
• 7:40
  know,
• 7:40
  so
• 7:40
  there's
• 7:41
  that
• 7:41
  basic
• 7:41
  question,
• 7:42
  and
• 7:42
  then
• 7:42
  if
• 7:43
  you're
• 7:43
  gonna
• 7:43
  say,
• 7:43
  no,
• 7:43
  it's
• 7:43
  rugby,
• 7:44
  okay,
• 7:44
  then
• 7:44
  it's
• 7:44
  okay,
• 7:44
  well,
• 7:45
  when
• 7:45
  did
• 7:45
  football
• 7:45
  become
• 7:46
  football?
• 7:47
  You
• 7:47
  know,
• 7:47
  at
• 7:47
  what
• 7:48
  point
• 7:48
  in
• 7:48
  the
• 7:48
  game's
• 7:49
  history
• 7:50
  was
• 7:50
  it
• 7:50
  no
• 7:50
  longer
• 7:50
  rugby?
• 7:51
  So
• 7:51
  then
• 7:52
  we
• 7:52
  can
• 7:52
  say,
• 7:52
  oh,
• 7:52
  that's
• 7:53
  first
• 7:53
  football
• 7:53
  game,
• 7:54
  or
• 7:54
  that's
• 7:54
  first
• 7:55
  football
• 7:55
  game
• 7:55
  in
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  Midwest.
• 7:57
  And
• 7:58
  another
• 7:58
  slice
• 7:58
  of
• 7:59
  it
• 7:59
  is,
• 8:00
  okay,
• 8:00
  what
• 8:00
  does.
• 8:02
  If
• 8:02
  only
• 8:02
  one
• 8:02
  of
• 8:02
  the
• 8:03
  two
• 8:03
  teams
• 8:03
  playing
• 8:03
  in
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  game
• 8:04
  is
• 8:04
  a
• 8:04
  college
• 8:05
  team,
• 8:05
  is
• 8:06
  that
• 8:06
  still
• 8:06
  a
• 8:06
  college
• 8:07
  football
• 8:07
  game?
• 8:08
  And,
• 8:09
  and
• 8:10
  if
• 8:10
  not,
• 8:11
  you
• 8:11
  know,
• 8:12
  if
• 8:12
  you
• 8:12
  need
• 8:12
  both
• 8:13
  of
• 8:13
  them
• 8:13
  to
• 8:13
  be
• 8:14
  college
• 8:14
  football
• 8:14
  teams,
• 8:15
  then
• 8:17
  every
• 8:17
  team
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  has
• 8:18
  on
• 8:19
  their
• 8:19
  all
• 8:19
  time
• 8:19
  winning
• 8:20
  records,
• 8:21
  their
• 8:21
  all
• 8:21
  time
• 8:22
  records,
• 8:22
  games
• 8:23
  against
• 8:23
  high
• 8:23
  schools,
• 8:24
  against
• 8:24
  military
• 8:24
  teams,
• 8:25
  against
• 8:25
  athletic
• 8:26
  club
• 8:26
  teams,
• 8:26
  against
• 8:26
  YMCA
• 8:27
  teams,
• 8:28
  professional
• 8:28
  teams.
• 8:29
  Yeah,
• 8:30
  get
• 8:30
  rid
• 8:30
  of
• 8:31
  every
• 8:31
  one
• 8:31
  of
• 8:31
  us.
• 8:31
  Right?
• 8:32
  So.
• 8:33
  Because
• 8:33
  you
• 8:33
  can't
• 8:33
  have
• 8:33
  both
• 8:34
  ways.
• 8:34
  Right?
• 8:35
  So
• 8:35
  anyways,
• 8:36
  I
• 8:36
  mean,
• 8:36
  I
• 8:37
  just,
• 8:37
  I
• 8:37
  think
• 8:37
  those
• 8:37
  are
• 8:38
  kind
• 8:38
  of
• 8:38
  fun
• 8:38
  issues
• 8:38
  to
• 8:38
  kind
• 8:39
  of
• 8:39
  kick
• 8:39
  around
• 8:39
  a
• 8:39
  little
• 8:39
  bit.
• 8:40
  But
• 8:41
  so.
• 8:42
  So
• 8:42
  here
• 8:42
  I
• 8:43
  am.
• 8:43
  I'm
• 8:44
  all
• 8:44
  proud
• 8:44
  of
• 8:44
  myself
• 8:44
  because
• 8:45
  I
• 8:47
  found
• 8:47
  this
• 8:48
  little
• 8:48
  story
• 8:49
  and
• 8:49
  then
• 8:49
  like
• 8:50
  a
• 8:50
  day
• 8:50
  later,
• 8:51
  day
• 8:51
  after
• 8:51
  I
• 8:51
  publish
• 8:52
  it,
• 8:52
  I
• 8:53
  find
• 8:53
  another
• 8:53
  story.
• 8:55
  And
• 8:55
  it
• 8:55
  was
• 8:55
  published
• 8:56
  by
• 8:56
  Northwestern,
• 8:57
  like
• 8:58
  on
• 8:58
  the
• 8:58
  150th
• 8:59
  anniversary
• 8:59
  of
• 9:00
  their
• 9:00
  game.
• 9:01
  And
• 9:02
  so.
• 9:02
  And
• 9:03
  I'm
• 9:03
  like,
• 9:03
  hey,
• 9:03
  no,
• 9:04
  sorry,
• 9:04
  I
• 9:04
  found
• 9:04
  this
• 9:04
  earlier
• 9:05
  one.
• 9:05
  So
• 9:05
  I
• 9:05
  wrote
• 9:06
  to
• 9:06
  the
• 9:06
  football
• 9:06
  sid
• 9:07
  and
• 9:08
  said,
• 9:08
  hey,
• 9:08
  I
• 9:09
  found
• 9:09
  this
• 9:09
  game.
• 9:10
  And
• 9:11
  he
• 9:11
  wrote
• 9:11
  back
• 9:11
  to
• 9:11
  me
• 9:11
  pretty
• 9:12
  quickly
• 9:12
  and
• 9:12
  said,
• 9:13
  well,
• 9:13
  here's.
• 9:13
  Here's
• 9:14
  our
• 9:14
  deal.
• 9:15
  They
• 9:16
  have
• 9:16
  some
• 9:16
  sources
• 9:17
  that
• 9:17
  I
• 9:17
  haven't.
• 9:18
  I
• 9:18
  just
• 9:18
  haven't
• 9:18
  had
• 9:18
  a
• 9:18
  chance
• 9:19
  to
• 9:19
  check
• 9:19
  yet.
• 9:20
  They
• 9:21
  have
• 9:21
  some
• 9:21
  sources
• 9:21
  that
• 9:22
  indicated
• 9:23
  that
• 9:23
  this
• 9:23
  was
• 9:24
  supposed.
• 9:24
  The
• 9:24
  game
• 9:24
  with
• 9:25
  Loyola
• 9:25
  was
• 9:25
  supposed
• 9:25
  to
• 9:26
  be
• 9:26
  a
• 9:26
  practice
• 9:26
  game.
• 9:28
  And
• 9:28
  it
• 9:28
  was.
• 9:29
  And
• 9:29
  it.
• 9:30
  There
• 9:30
  was
• 9:30
  also
• 9:30
  something
• 9:31
  about
• 9:31
  it
• 9:31
  was
• 9:31
  a
• 9:31
  foreign
• 9:32
  game,
• 9:32
  which
• 9:32
  foreign
• 9:33
  back
• 9:33
  then
• 9:33
  meant
• 9:34
  away
• 9:34
  game.
• 9:34
  But
• 9:35
  anyways,
• 9:37
  you
• 9:37
  know,
• 9:37
  they've
• 9:37
  got
• 9:38
  some
• 9:38
  kind
• 9:38
  of
• 9:39
  stuff
• 9:39
  that's
• 9:40
  suggested
• 9:41
  that
• 9:41
  it
• 9:41
  wasn't
• 9:41
  a
• 9:41
  real
• 9:42
  game.
• 9:43
  So
• 9:43
  then
• 9:43
  their
• 9:44
  game
• 9:44
  was
• 9:44
  the
• 9:44
  first,
• 9:44
  you
• 9:45
  know,
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  Northwestern
• 9:45
  Chicago
• 9:46
  Football
• 9:46
  Club
• 9:46
  game
• 9:47
  was
• 9:47
  the
• 9:47
  first
• 9:47
  game.
• 9:48
  So
• 9:49
  to
• 9:49
  be
• 9:49
  determined
• 9:51
  whether
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  story
• 9:52
  that
• 9:53
  I
• 9:53
  wrote
• 9:53
  is
• 9:53
  accurate
• 9:54
  or
• 9:54
  not,
• 9:56
  I
• 9:56
  mean,
• 9:56
  it's
• 9:56
  accurate
• 9:57
  in
• 9:57
  terms
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  what
• 9:57
  happened,
• 9:58
  but,
• 10:00
  you
• 10:00
  know,
• 10:00
  I
• 10:00
  still
• 10:01
  need
• 10:01
  to
• 10:01
  do
• 10:01
  some
• 10:01
  more
• 10:02
  research
• 10:02
  to
• 10:02
  determine
• 10:03
  whether
• 10:04
  or
• 10:04
  not
• 10:04
  Northwestern's
• 10:05
  view
• 10:05
  of
• 10:05
  that
• 10:05
  game
• 10:06
  is
• 10:06
  one
• 10:06
  that
• 10:07
  I
• 10:07
  agree
• 10:07
  with
• 10:07
  or
• 10:08
  that
• 10:08
  I
• 10:09
  still
• 10:09
  agree
• 10:09
  with
• 10:10
  my
• 10:10
  original
• 10:12
  position.
• 10:13
  Okay,
• 10:14
  well,
• 10:15
  well,
• 10:15
  okay.
• 10:16
  So
• 10:16
  let's.
• 10:17
  You,
• 10:17
  you
• 10:17
  posed
• 10:18
  a
• 10:18
  question
• 10:18
  within
• 10:19
  this
• 10:19
  question,
• 10:20
  and
• 10:20
  you
• 10:20
  said,
• 10:21
  okay,
• 10:21
  when
• 10:22
  was
• 10:22
  football,
• 10:23
  you
• 10:23
  know,
• 10:23
  when
• 10:23
  was
• 10:23
  it
• 10:23
  a
• 10:24
  football
• 10:24
  game?
• 10:24
  When
• 10:24
  was
• 10:24
  a
• 10:25
  rugby
• 10:25
  game,
• 10:25
  in
• 10:26
  your
• 10:26
  opinion?
• 10:27
  And
• 10:27
  you've
• 10:27
  done
• 10:27
  quite
• 10:28
  a
• 10:28
  bit
• 10:28
  of
• 10:28
  research
• 10:28
  on
• 10:29
  this
• 10:29
  and
• 10:29
  wrote
• 10:30
  and
• 10:30
  have
• 10:30
  talked
• 10:31
  to
• 10:31
  people
• 10:31
  like
• 10:31
  Dr.
• 10:32
  Tony
• 10:32
  Collins
• 10:33
  about
• 10:33
  these
• 10:34
  different
• 10:34
  genres
• 10:35
  of
• 10:35
  what
• 10:35
  we
• 10:35
  call
• 10:35
  football
• 10:36
  around
• 10:36
  the
• 10:36
  world.
• 10:37
  So
• 10:37
  when,
• 10:38
  when
• 10:38
  do
• 10:39
  you
• 10:39
  think
• 10:40
  the
• 10:40
  time
• 10:40
  frame,
• 10:41
  maybe
• 10:41
  not
• 10:41
  the
• 10:42
  particular
• 10:42
  game,
• 10:42
  when
• 10:42
  was
• 10:43
  that
• 10:43
  time
• 10:43
  frame
• 10:43
  where
• 10:44
  the
• 10:44
  first
• 10:45
  American
• 10:45
  football
• 10:46
  game
• 10:46
  would
• 10:46
  have
• 10:46
  taken
• 10:47
  place?
• 10:48
  Yeah,
• 10:48
  so
• 10:50
  I
• 10:50
  view
• 10:51
  it.
• 10:52
  And
• 10:52
  so
• 10:52
  this,
• 10:53
  this
• 10:53
  Loyola
• 10:54
  game
• 10:54
  actually
• 10:55
  kind
• 10:55
  of
• 10:55
  violates
• 10:56
  what
• 10:56
  I'm,
• 10:57
  you
• 10:57
  know,
• 10:57
  my
• 10:58
  general
• 10:58
  position.
• 10:59
  So
• 11:00
  my
• 11:00
  general
• 11:00
  position
• 11:00
  is
• 11:01
  American
• 11:02
  football
• 11:02
  started
• 11:03
  in
• 11:03
  1876.
• 11:05
  And
• 11:05
  I
• 11:06
  say
• 11:06
  that
• 11:06
  because
• 11:07
  they
• 11:08
  formed
• 11:08
  the
• 11:08
  Intercollegiate
• 11:09
  football
• 11:09
  association
• 11:11
  in
• 11:11
  1876.
• 11:13
  They
• 11:13
  adopted
• 11:14
  the
• 11:14
  rugby
• 11:15
  rules,
• 11:16
  the
• 11:16
  rugby
• 11:16
  union
• 11:17
  rules
• 11:17
  as
• 11:18
  the,
• 11:18
  you
• 11:18
  know,
• 11:18
  how
• 11:18
  they
• 11:19
  were
• 11:19
  going
• 11:19
  to
• 11:19
  play
• 11:20
  one
• 11:20
  another.
• 11:21
  And
• 11:22
  it's
• 11:22
  kind
• 11:23
  of
• 11:23
  like
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  Pope,
• 11:24
  you
• 11:24
  know,
• 11:25
  you
• 11:25
  can
• 11:25
  trace
• 11:26
  his.
• 11:27
  The
• 11:27
  lineage
• 11:27
  of
• 11:28
  popes
• 11:28
  back
• 11:28
  to
• 11:29
  St.
• 11:29
  Peter.
• 11:30
  Right.
• 11:31
  And
• 11:32
  American
• 11:32
  football,
• 11:33
  you
• 11:33
  can
• 11:33
  trace
• 11:33
  the
• 11:34
  lineage
• 11:34
  of
• 11:35
  the
• 11:35
  football
• 11:36
  rules
• 11:37
  back
• 11:37
  to
• 11:37
  the
• 11:38
  adoption
• 11:38
  of
• 11:38
  the
• 11:38
  rugby
• 11:39
  union
• 11:39
  rules
• 11:40
  that
• 11:41
  year.
• 11:41
  And
• 11:41
  they,
• 11:41
  they
• 11:42
  tweaked
• 11:42
  and
• 11:42
  they
• 11:42
  changed,
• 11:43
  like,
• 11:43
  three
• 11:43
  rules.
• 11:43
  Four.
• 11:44
  Four
• 11:44
  rules
• 11:44
  in
• 11:45
  1876.
• 11:46
  So
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  my
• 11:47
  mind,
• 11:48
  that's
• 11:48
  what
• 11:49
  football
• 11:49
  began
• 11:51
  when
• 11:51
  those.
• 11:53
  After
• 11:53
  the
• 11:53
  adoption
• 11:54
  of
• 11:54
  those
• 11:54
  rules.
• 11:55
  All
• 11:55
  right,
• 11:56
  but
• 11:56
  for
• 11:56
  argument's
• 11:57
  sake,
• 11:57
  in
• 11:57
  terms
• 11:58
  of
• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
  first
• 11:58
  game
• 11:58
  in
• 11:58
  the
• 11:58
  Midwest,
• 11:59
  and
• 11:59
  for
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  purpose
• 12:00
  of
• 12:00
  this
• 12:00
  article,
• 12:01
  you
• 12:01
  know,
• 12:02
  I'm
• 12:02
  willing
• 12:03
  to
• 12:03
  argue
• 12:04
  that
• 12:04
  Loyola.
• 12:06
  But
• 12:07
  hey,
• 12:07
  it's
• 12:08
  a
• 12:08
  lot
• 12:08
  more
• 12:08
  accurate
• 12:09
  than
• 12:09
  if,
• 12:09
  if
• 12:09
  people
• 12:09
  are
• 12:10
  considering,
• 12:10
  you
• 12:11
  know,
• 12:11
  the
• 12:11
  game
• 12:11
  in
• 12:11
  1869
• 12:12
  to
• 12:12
  be
• 12:13
  the
• 12:13
  first
• 12:13
  college
• 12:13
  football
• 12:14
  game
• 12:14
  which
• 12:14
  had
• 12:15
  no
• 12:15
  semblance
• 12:15
  of.
• 12:16
  Of
• 12:16
  modern
• 12:16
  football
• 12:17
  at
• 12:17
  all,
• 12:17
  or
• 12:18
  rules.
• 12:19
  Yeah,
• 12:19
  so
• 12:19
  I
• 12:19
  think,
• 12:19
  yeah,
• 12:20
  you're.
• 12:20
  You're
• 12:20
  a
• 12:21
  lot
• 12:21
  closer
• 12:21
  with
• 12:21
  the
• 12:21
  Loyola
• 12:22
  game.
• 12:23
  Yeah,
• 12:23
  I
• 12:23
  mean,
• 12:23
  you
• 12:24
  know,
• 12:24
  they
• 12:24
  may
• 12:24
  have
• 12:24
  even
• 12:24
  called
• 12:25
  it
• 12:25
  football,
• 12:25
  but,
• 12:25
  you
• 12:25
  know,
• 12:26
  any
• 12:26
  kicking
• 12:27
  game
• 12:27
  was,
• 12:27
  you
• 12:28
  know,
• 12:28
  considered
• 12:28
  football
• 12:28
  at
• 12:28
  the
• 12:29
  time.
• 12:29
  And
• 12:30
  yeah,
• 12:30
  I
• 12:30
  mean,
• 12:30
  there's
• 12:31
  so
• 12:31
  many
• 12:31
  things
• 12:31
  wrong
• 12:31
  with
• 12:32
  that
• 12:32
  game.
• 12:32
  And
• 12:33
  I
• 12:33
  just
• 12:33
  view
• 12:34
  it
• 12:34
  as,
• 12:34
  you
• 12:35
  know,
• 12:35
  Park
• 12:35
  H.
• 12:36
  Davis,
• 12:36
  a
• 12:37
  Princeton
• 12:37
  guy,
• 12:37
  was,
• 12:39
  you
• 12:39
  know,
• 12:39
  probably
• 12:40
  the
• 12:41
  preeminent
• 12:42
  early
• 12:42
  historian.
• 12:43
  And
• 12:43
  so
• 12:44
  he
• 12:44
  said
• 12:44
  it
• 12:44
  was
• 12:44
  that
• 12:45
  game.
• 12:45
  And
• 12:45
  so
• 12:45
  that's
• 12:46
  what,
• 12:46
  that's
• 12:46
  the
• 12:46
  way
• 12:47
  it's
• 12:47
  kind
• 12:47
  of
• 12:47
  come
• 12:47
  down.
• 12:48
  But
• 12:48
  I,
• 12:49
  yeah,
• 12:49
  I
• 12:49
  don't
• 12:49
  consider
• 12:50
  that
• 12:50
  to
• 12:50
  be
• 12:51
  even
• 12:51
  though,
• 12:51
  like,
• 12:52
  you
• 12:52
  know,
• 12:52
  a
• 12:52
  few
• 12:53
  years
• 12:53
  back
• 12:53
  I
• 12:53
  would
• 12:53
  have
• 12:53
  said,
• 12:54
  yeah,
• 12:54
  that
• 12:54
  was
• 12:54
  first
• 12:54
  game.
• 12:54
  Well,
• 12:55
  not
• 12:55
  anymore.
• 12:56
  I,
• 12:56
  you
• 12:56
  know,
• 12:56
  just
• 12:57
  learned
• 12:57
  enough
• 12:57
  to
• 12:58
  argue
• 12:58
  otherwise.
• 12:59
  Yeah,
• 13:00
  maybe
• 13:00
  it's
• 13:01
  more
• 13:02
  of
• 13:02
  a
• 13:02
  consideration
• 13:03
  for
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  first
• 13:03
  intercollegiate
• 13:05
  sporting
• 13:05
  event
• 13:05
  between.
• 13:07
  Well,
• 13:07
  but
• 13:07
  there
• 13:07
  were,
• 13:07
  there
• 13:08
  were,
• 13:08
  you
• 13:09
  know,
• 13:09
  baseball
• 13:10
  games
• 13:10
  probably.
• 13:10
  True.
• 13:11
  Well,
• 13:11
  crew
• 13:11
  and
• 13:11
  baseball
• 13:12
  before
• 13:12
  that.
• 13:12
  Okay.
• 13:13
  All
• 13:13
  right.
• 13:13
  So
• 13:14
  that
• 13:14
  even
• 13:14
  it
• 13:14
  throws
• 13:14
  that
• 13:15
  one
• 13:15
  out.
• 13:16
  Collegiate
• 13:16
  contest
• 13:17
  were
• 13:17
  crew.
• 13:18
  Oh,
• 13:19
  okay.
• 13:19
  All
• 13:19
  right.
• 13:20
  All
• 13:21
  right.
• 13:22
  Well,
• 13:22
  Tim,
• 13:23
  you
• 13:23
  ask
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  hard
• 13:24
  questions.
• 13:25
  You
• 13:25
  research
• 13:26
  the
• 13:26
  hard
• 13:26
  questions
• 13:27
  and
• 13:27
  then
• 13:28
  you
• 13:28
  bring
• 13:28
  them
• 13:28
  to
• 13:28
  us
• 13:28
  and
• 13:29
  really
• 13:29
  make
• 13:29
  us
• 13:29
  think
• 13:30
  in
• 13:31
  your
• 13:31
  writings.
• 13:32
  Tonight,
• 13:33
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• 13:33
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• 13:33
  it
• 13:33
  here
• 13:34
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• 13:34
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• 13:34
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• 13:35
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• 13:35
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• 13:35
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• 13:35
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• 13:36
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• 13:36
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• 13:36
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• 13:37
  study
• 13:37
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• 13:38
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• 13:38
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• 13:39
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• 13:39
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• 13:40
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• 13:40
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• 13:41
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• 13:41
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• 13:41
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• 13:41
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• 13:42
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• 13:42
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• 13:42
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• 13:43
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• 13:43
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• 13:44
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• 13:44
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• 13:44
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• 13:44
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• 13:45
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• 13:45
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• 13:46
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• 13:46
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• 13:46
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• 13:47
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• 13:47
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• 13:47
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• 13:47
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• 13:49
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• 14:19
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• 14:19
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• 14:19
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• 14:19
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