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How The Government Covered Up Crop Circles · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna talk about crop circles today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very overlooked topic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not a lot of people touch on them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Only mostly because you have alluded to how absolutely bananas this story gets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really excited about that because I'll be honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of in the camp like, eh, crop circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna ask you, like what your initial feelings and thoughts were as to the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I was young, crop circles were helladope, but to be fair, back then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Crop circles were more prominent in the lore of UFO, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas now, I feel like they've been disconnected a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where it's not, it's not brought up very often.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's just not the flashy stories, because in a lot of cases, without the additional research,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Crop circles are just that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had the big phenomena of where, because I can remember this clearly, when news channels started getting involved with Crop circles and they started finding people that created the Crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that may have been the nail in the coffin for the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, the, the psi up that is the Crop circle creators.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We get there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's crazy because then at that point, it's a successful one because it really did wipe it out of exactly of the media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder who could be behind that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, maybe the intelligence community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe some alphabet letter agencies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of sparked like I'm with Kyle when I was young crop circles were dope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like because every every UFO book you picked up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get about two chapters in there's crop circles and you're like holy shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're they're trying to talk to us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is probably the best way to describe that, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just like you can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can remember the same thing like you're you're reading to that book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got big foot in it's got UFO stories Loch Ness and then your crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, oh wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're they're talking to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't know how to read it yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how that's how I was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it kind of fell off like in especially like in our realm here of the paranormal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Once you start dipping your toes in the deep into the pool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, mmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of like entry level stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really little stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of forget about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know this year, especially, there have been tons and tons of very significant crop circles that are popping up in the UK.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they are intricate, they're just crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I post them on the TikTok.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you guys are TikTokers, be sure to follow our page, or our page, Hollis Guy podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I post pictures of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I post the stories like some of the stuff coming out now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the crops are like even weave together like a basket, which is insanity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If a person takes and not just like single threads of crops, but like entire swaths are just weave together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If people are doing this kudos in you, cool hobby, but that's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we're going to get into it now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here is crop circles according to Wikipedia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A crop circle, crop formation, or corn circle, is a pattern created by flattening a crop, usually a serial grain that term was first coined in the early nineteen eighties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crop circles have been described as all falling, quote, within the range of the sort of thing done by hoaxers by a Mr. Tanner Edis professor of physics at Truman State University.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what his opinion matters, but apparently Wikipedia gave a shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Although obscure natural causes or alien origins of crop circles are suggested by, quote, unquote, fringe theorists, there's no scientific evidence for such explanations that we've gotten to yet, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't made it there yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all crop circles are consistent with human causation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In nineteen ninety one two hoaxers dug bower and Dave Charlie took credit for having created over two hundred crop circles throughout England and a widely reported news interview.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The number of report of crop circles has increased substantially after the interviews that the were had with them and the UK reported circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are not distributed randomly across landscapes, but appear near roads, areas of medium to dense population, and cultural heritage monuments such as Stonehenge or Ava Berry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They usually appear overnight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nearly half of all crop circles found in the UK in two thousand three were located within a ten mile radius of the Ava Berry Stone circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I say something real quick?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You sure can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that I'm an adult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I look back on that statement about how these two guys took credit for two hundred plus crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say this is a mature adult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So little kids, ear muffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one image that grown men would put into crop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a penis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen Kyle do it, not in crops.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a Kyle's house and it snows, there is a there's going to be a phallic snow image on your car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen it happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just that's coming from like the most mature level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get into these two old boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave and Doug a little bit later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, because they're dorks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can quote me on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, like I said, most guys ain't gonna be that intricate with drop circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna draw the one image and then laugh and go home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's gonna be a winner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know in that Wikipedia article they said like oh Dave and Doug came out and they said they were creating two they created two hundred crop circles and then all these other copycatters came out and then that's how the whole crop circle phenomenon started but that's not exactly true because way before Dave and Doug
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crop circles were a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they were David Doug for the first man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did you know that David Doug had a hand in the, uh, was it the NASCAR lines?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but the right word.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll get a story from David Doug that make you say, you boys need to stay out of the pub a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Dead Sea Scrolls, but that's old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably beyond David Doug's time, had excerpts about flashes of light from the sky that would leave geometrical scars on the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's pretty much crop circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crop circle is a geometrical shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nineteen century France reports of parishioners, possibly practicing in devil worshiping and paganism were reported for collecting seeds from circles of flat and crops found in fields
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[SPEAKER_00]: and then using them in fertility rituals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's something I'd never known.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is just like not necessarily like the focus wasn't on the crop circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The focus was on the people, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: doing nefarious things with stuff from the crop circles, but it was still reports of crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the first reported accounts of the phenomena came from a sixteen seventy-eight news pamphlet called the mowing devil or strange news out of heart for sure described a crop whose stocks were cut rather than bent the mowing devil as the title of an English wood cut pamphlet from sixteen seventy-eight it narrates the tale of Satan mowing a field and hurt for sure
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and then it presents itself as reporting the news.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been cited as an early report of crop circle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I would give for that pamphlet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, it's that would be so fucking cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The OG like Woodcut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be gangster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The pamphlet tells a strange news story of an anonymous farmer and hurt for sure, who, refusing to pay the price demanded by a farm worker to mow as field of votes, swore he would rather let the devil mow it instead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the pamphlet, that night, in his field, appeared to be a flame.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The next morning, the field was found to be perfectly mowed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No mortal man was able to do the like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This pamphlet and the accompanying illustrations are often cited by crop circle researchers as among the first and recorded cases of crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crop circle researcher Jim Snabel, which you'll hear a lot about Jim later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Sus, just put that out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: does not consider it to be historical precedent because it describes the stocks being cut while modern crop circles involve the wheat barley or less commonly other plants being bent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jim Schnabel likes to muddy the waters a little bit in the crop circle world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So him saying that this is an evidence is very on par with this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here is a transcript of the pamphlet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the mowing devil or strange news out of heart for sure, being a true relation of a farmer and who bargaining with a poor mower about the cutting down of three half acres of oats upon the mowers asking too much the farmer swore quote that the devil should mow it rather than he and low it fell out that that very night the crop of oats who'd as if
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[SPEAKER_00]: had been all a flame, but the next morning appeared, I'm not good at reading whatever this language is, appeared neatly mode by the devil, or an infernal spirit that no mortal man was able to do the like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How the field of votes now lay in the field, the owner has not the power to fetch them away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we just left them there after the devil did all that work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just left them on a appreciated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on, eighteen sixty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, my dyslexia is really screwing me up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sixteen eighty six, an English naturalist and professor at Oxford University, Robert Plot reported on rings in field in here as house and actually drew diagrams of them, saying that they were caused by unexplained flashes of light in the night sky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in eighteen eighty a letter to the editor of nature by amateur scientist John Capron described how several circles of flatten crops in a field were formed under suspicious circumstances and possibly caused by a cyclonic wind action stating quote as viewed from a distance circular spots they all presented such the same character a few standing stocks in the center
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[SPEAKER_00]: some prostate stocks with their heads arranged pretty evenly all in the same direction forming a circle around the center and outside the circle wall of stocks had not been suffered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of describing classic crop circle with the with the center standing up in the rest of it not standing up we move on to twenty a century so kind of closer what we got now not quite
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nineteen thirty two archaeologists, E.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kerwin observed four dark rings in a field at Staten down near Chichester, not good with the English names either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But could examine only one, a circle in which barley was lodged or beaten down while the interior area was very slightly mounted up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In nineteen thirty seven, British science journal spoke of odd circles found in a field of barley, and even included what may have been the very first photo of a crop circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep in mind, this is pre-roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So UFOs weren't very pertinent in media and in our lives.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're most of the early crop circles kind of basic circles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were just circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basic geometric patterns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing like we were seeing today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people are saying that human technology like GPS and laser guided radar and should have to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I also think as we progress in the knowledge of the phenomena, I think they take that as a level of our intelligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in my theories, they're ramping up as we're learning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes probably the most sense because it's kind of what I was going for because it's weird to not like to have the big jump without that explanation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because why would you start off with just a circle?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because a circle is going to mean fuck all to people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a lot, the similar to the way that we perceive unidentified flying objects, like how back then, you know, it's kind of like eras, where at first there are stars in the sky, and there are religious figures in the sky, then they turned into the blue, like the airship flap from the early, nineteen-hundreds late, eighteen-hundreds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you got the saucer flap, and then you've got
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[SPEAKER_00]: like all the weird shit that's going on now drones and orbs and jellyfish and all that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it kind of correlates with as we learn about the phenomenon they kind of increase too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, nineteen forty five, the photo was taken of odd circular patterns in a crop field by a balloonus working for the royal air force training school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nineteen fifty two, the US Air Force were officially investigating crop circles found in Kansas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crawford County August twenty fifth, nineteen fifty two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one that was reported to the air force investigated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: blue glowing balls of light and a buzzing humming noise were reported by eyewitness William Squire at five thirty five a.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the field over which the balls of light hovered, the grass was flattened forming a circle of sixty feet diameter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the grass in a recognizable, centric pattern and having the appearance of being blown over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The United States Air Force Project Bluebook investigated this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So oil samples and grass were sent to date, no hives, right, Patterson, Air Force Base, and analyzed by technical analysis division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not get what I did not find if any of those things came back of anything substantial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is classified in bluebook as an eyewitness report grass crop circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In nineteen sixty three Patrick Moore described a crater in a potato field in Wilkshire that he considered was probably caused by an unknown meteoric body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And nearby wheat fields close to where this possible meteor hit were several circular and elliptical areas where the wheat had been perfectly flattened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was evidence of spiral flattening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought that they could have been caused by air currents possibly from the impact since they led toward the crater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could see pictures of that, that'd be interesting to see the crater and the crop circles in the same spot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: During the nineteen sixties, there were many reports of UFO sightings and circular formations in swamp reads and sugarcane
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[SPEAKER_00]: in Tully, Queensland, Australia, also in Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For example, on August eighth, nineteen sixty seven, three circles were found in a field in Alberta, Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Department of National Defense Investigators concluded that it was artificial, but couldn't say who made them or how.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The most famous case in nineteen sixty six were the tally saucer niss when a farmer said he witnessed a saucer shaped craft rise nine to twelve meters from a swamp and then fly away upon investigating he found nearly a perfectly circular area of thirty two feet long by twenty five feet wide where the grass was flattened in a clockwise curved matter or clockwise curved angle
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[SPEAKER_00]: to the water within the level of the circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reads have been uprooted from the mud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Local police officers in the Royal Australian Air Force and the University of Queensland concluded that it was most probably caused by natural causes, like a down drought, or a dust devil, which the Australians apparently call a willy-willy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a willy-willy.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a willy-willy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a hundred percent what it was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Australian friends, this is a dust devil called a willy-willy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to know, or it could have been a water spout.
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting that it only folded the reads to the water level.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what they were getting at, and that's part that I stumbled up out, which is weird.
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You think, like, if it was a water spout, there would be enough energy to affect it underneath the water.
25:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, thanks.
25:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe pull the reads out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a willy willologist.
25:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, me either.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nineteen seventy three G. J. Adgers director of public relations for the Department of Defense wrote to a journal that the saucer was probably just debris lifted from the willy willy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
25:30
[SPEAKER_00]: So, man, did not see a flying saucer lift a crop circle.
25:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw a water spout that picked up the weeds that weren't picked up, that made the circle of the weeds that weren't picked up.
25:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the water spot actually picked up Johnny's John boat.
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Spun it around and shot it on down the way.
25:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what happened.
25:55
[SPEAKER_00]: He was confused.
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Thought he saw you a phone.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't I can see how you got a UFO confused with the tornado.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's last John boat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: John boat tornado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I got that.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
26:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That's fair.
26:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:08
[SPEAKER_01]: See, there's a logical explanation for everything.
26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: We, we are scientists.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After the nineteen sixties there was a surge of ufologist and Wiltshire and there were rumors of quote saucer ness appearing in the area but they were never photographed there are other pre- nineteen seventies reports of circular formations especially in australia in canada but they were always just simple circles which could have been caused by whirlwind i don't know man i don't know we live in an area where there's a lot of tornadoes around us
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what people don't find after a lot of tornadoes?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very precise geometrical shapes and fields.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crop circles.
26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's usually just mass destruction.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Not crop circles.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: We get lines.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Of tornadoes, terrible shit up.
26:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
26:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Of destruction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're telling me like they're telling, they're saying that a tornado touched down on this one, just one very particular spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just swirled the weed around a little bit and then took off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why I didn't think of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does make a lot of sense when you just consider it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ignore all logic and what he's done.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, by the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties, the crop circle craze had really just kind of skyrocketed from this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: began sparking the interest of investigators that took the phenomenon very seriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Pope, an officer for the British Ministry of Defense, came forward and said that he was tasked with investigating crop circles for them for over twenty years.
27:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So the Ministry of Defense had interest in crop circles.
27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: He said they've been studying crop circles since
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And after they kind of prominently been investigating these circles, the circle started to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in nineteen eighty nine, the classic circular patterns, which was what Kyle had asked about, begin to morph.
28:08
[SPEAKER_00]: They'd be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd begin to change into glyphs and things from the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does turn into the idea of acknowledgement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
28:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're saying, once you started acknowledging the phenomenon, it was like, okay, now I have your attention.
28:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Now watch this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
28:22
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
28:23
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's weird.
28:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also that double-edged sword because you've got
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[SPEAKER_00]: the governments, the military industrial complex, interested in the phenomena.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And if anybody has the means and the funds to change and progress the phenomena for their liking, it would be the military industrial complex.
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
28:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to kind of spin their narrative however they want, but also I think there's something to the more that it's acknowledged, the more that it studied the further it goes.
28:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I do like that more than it be in sauce.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's just, like, to what end, I mean, the basic thing I come up with is the kind of so-fear into the population.
29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: But outside of that, like, what the fuck are you doing, drawing enough to yield?
29:14
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just stupid.
29:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's stupid.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a waste of fucking resources and money, which kind of is par the course for government, but I don't know.
29:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I just feel like it's a giant waste of time in my opinion.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, for what?
29:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
29:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the best question that you could have asked, like, to what end?
29:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for, because for old school farmers, they're just going to piss them off because you fucking have to crops.
29:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what comes up.
29:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: There was so much interest that there actually became at this point a new study of science called seriology.
29:53
[SPEAKER_00]: which is the study and investigation of crop circles.
29:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, up to this point, it was taken that seriously, which is crazy.
30:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Because essentially, like, this is a crime being committed.
30:08
[SPEAKER_00]: If people are doing it, you have trespassing, you have destruction of property, you know, like, those are crimes being committed.
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So, best case scenario of its humans, you have criminals,
30:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, other case scenarios is just something not human is doing it.
30:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that uh, it poses an interesting dilemma there because on one hand, I feel like basic people, normal everyday people are most likely going to attribute that to.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Bandalism.
30:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So once you said that, like really run a bell,
30:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's fucking crazier that the government comes in and goes, whoa, hey, man, this is a more banalism, boys.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And it poses a very weird question later on.
31:05
[SPEAKER_00]: If this is being backed by government entities that are paying funding people to break the law, what we got going on there.
31:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because I feel like they can do a lot better as far as like a distraction campaign is concerned.
31:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
31:29
[SPEAKER_00]: From here, it's talking about seriology.
31:31
[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the man that's probably at the forefront of crop circle investigations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the face of crop circle investigations of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: mid-eighties all the way through the nineties and still he's still spearheading the the the campaign and that's the man by the name of Colin Andrews Colin Andrews was born March seventh nineteen forty six he was a British electrical engineer which I think is weird because so many electrical engineers are interested in the phenomena as I'm saying the lead mass thing led mask eyes as soon as you said electrical engineer that's about the first thing that popped in my head was a lead mask guys that's what I thought too I'm like there that
32:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a correlation here because there was a whole like underground group of electrical engineers trying to study the UFO in Where was that Brazil Brazil yeah Now we got some UK electrical engineers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is weird study in
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[SPEAKER_00]: a researcher who studied crop circles and related unexplained phenomena since the early eighties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He co-founded an organization focused on crop circle research and has contributed to public awareness on the subject through books and media appearances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: his early life according to Wikipedia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Colin Andrews is a British electrical engineer who became involved in the study of crop circles in the early eighties in nineteen eighty three he reported observing an unexplained crop circle formation in Hampshire the following year he joined with other researchers to establish a group known as circles circle phenomenon research document and examine crop circle reports
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[SPEAKER_00]: Early work by the group included collecting field data and collaborating with individuals such as Pat Delgado and Busty Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First off, Busty Taylor.
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Solid name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two first names.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Busty Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sounds like an adult star name.
33:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Sound like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His research into crop circles, Andrews, interest in crop circles began again in the early eighties when he observed the complex formation resembling a Celtic cross in a wheat field near, and now we're getting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we got some questions here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Her UK folks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cheesefoot head, Hampshire.
33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wow.
33:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a weird weird name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure it's pronounced completely different, but... It spelled Cheesefoot, C-H-E-E-S-E-F-O-O-T.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hampshire.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is really not, uh... Yeah, there's not a lot of confusion there.
34:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is interesting that he saw a Celtic cross in the field though.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a... It gets weird or later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty significant.
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like... It gets weird or later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sub-servation marked the start of his investigation into crop circles, patterns created by flattening crops that have been reported sporadically for decades and became widely publicized in the eighties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In nineteen eighty nine and nineteen eighty nine Andrews co-authored circular evidence with a man by the name of Pat Delgado, which presented their research on crop formations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on crop formations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to the two thousand article in the Guardian, both Queen Elizabeth II and the Duke of Edinburgh expressed interest in the crop circle phenomena with the Duke reportedly subscribing to a newsletter that was authored by Andrews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was like, he's the big guy that when it comes to crop circles, knows his stuff.
35:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Colin really started to dig in and began contacting local police and the British Ministry of Defense in regards to what was making these crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: During one live TV interview at the site of one particular formation, the camera equipment and live feeds started to get all sorts of interference.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Camera's malfunctioned, weird audio interference was recorded, and this led him to get involved in what would be considered one of the most televised siops regarding the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is Operation Blackbird.
35:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Colin with the help of his friend and fellow researcher Pat Delgado spearheaded Operation Blackbird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blackbird was a three week surveillance operation whose main goal was to actually film and document a crop circle forming in real time and would televised it to the world.
35:52
[SPEAKER_00]: It was legitimately a big deal.
35:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Funding and sponsorship came from the BBC, the Japanese National Nippon Television,
36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: They was all funded.
36:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So this whole thing.
36:06
[SPEAKER_00]: It was such like, at this point, it was such a respected and interest in the phenomena that people were paying to try to figure out what the hell was happening with these crop circles.
36:21
[SPEAKER_00]: The project was so highly praised by the British government that the Ministry of Defense came forward and said, hey, we'll offer you up the plot of land that the filming is going to take take place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll offer you all of our equipment.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll offer you manpower.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're invested in what you're doing.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We want to know what's happening right now.
36:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're there in two.
36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Which is a big deal.
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
36:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for everybody involved.
36:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
36:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot, it's a lot of, a lot of money funneled toward proving what, what this is.
37:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And attention.
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, at that point, you're going to draw everybody in the area.
37:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Their eyes are going to be focused on that.
37:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:11
[SPEAKER_00]: At first, Colin and Pat thought this was going to be a great move, working with the Ministry of Defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They can cordon off acres of farmland to keep any hoaxers out.
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And if a legitimate circle were to form, they could keep the public and onlookers away.
37:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So they could do legitimate research on the circle.
37:28
[SPEAKER_00]: The military had the entire field covered with cameras and not just regular cameras.
37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: They also provided night vision.
37:35
[SPEAKER_00]: They also provided infrared cameras.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Every inch of this swath of land had eyes on it.
37:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And just as Kyle said, I wrote down an exact same thing.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a huge deal.
37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Millions of people would tune in to watch to see if they caught anything and Colin would give would post up and give updates every morning.
37:54
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the plan.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: On day two,
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[SPEAKER_00]: a crop circle formed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Colin immediately jumped on television, doing what he was told to do, going off exactly what the Ministry of Defense team was relaying to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hadn't put eyes on the crop circle at this point.
38:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He was going off what the army was telling him, what the Ministry of Defense was telling him.
38:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He went on super enthusiastic saying we've caught a crop circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got one on tell it like we got one last night.
38:28
[SPEAKER_00]: They were reporting orbs of light for twenty minutes over the area.
38:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And as soon as that those orbs of light moved on, we got it.
38:38
[SPEAKER_00]: We got a circle.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: How excited would you be?
38:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, he was stoked enthusiastically going on air, demon, demon operation Blackbird, a huge success.
38:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Then the sun came up.
38:51
[SPEAKER_00]: and Colin got to see the field.
38:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And he clearly saw that the formation was a hoax.
38:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Not just a hoax, but a crude hoax.
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: He knew that someone like this was a plan to not only discredit him, but also discredit the entire phenomena.
39:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Because as he got out there and he was looking in the center of the field, just mocking him was an astrology board game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right in the center of the circle.
39:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And you, you can watch the interview of him on television.
39:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He's fucking pissed.
39:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I bet.
39:31
[SPEAKER_01]: He is hot.
39:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I bet because you know what that does to your credibility to everything, to everything that you've worked for.
39:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
39:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Some fucking asshole ripped it off from underneath you.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
39:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And to be fair, to be a hundred percent fair.
39:47
[SPEAKER_01]: That is what people would do.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm sure there's more pieces to this puzzle that we haven't covered yet, but I'm just saying this, that is people.
39:59
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, based on the information that I have, I can, a hundred percent.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you see some asshole think that this is funny.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't know how hard someone has worked to reach this point.
40:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, it's, it's, it's shitty.
40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It's shitty.
40:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So Colin, serious researcher,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, dedicated years and years of his life to this research, sitting there humiliated on the television.
40:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't, like I said, you can watch the interview, but I just pulled this little quote out here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On live TV Collins said, someone's had a laugh.
40:38
[SPEAKER_00]: They've had a joke.
40:39
[SPEAKER_00]: None of these things have done any of us any good.
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It's only set our research back decades.
40:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And in that very moment, that one episode perfectly planned on live TV, the science of crop circles, serology went from mainstream investigative science to fringe pseudoscience, just like that.
41:05
[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.
41:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Just like that.
41:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where it's been ever since.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that it's that it's some fake fringe craziness.
41:17
[SPEAKER_01]: More proof to trust to not trust.gov.
41:21
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's fucking crazy to think about, you know, the elaborate set there because I don't I get it's lengthy explanation, but it's just crazy how the government's like, yeah, we're going to go all in on this.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: This is super important.
41:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Because at that point, it's like the perfect cover because at that point, by the end of it, the government looks at you like a shame on you.
41:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You wasted our time with this is all bullshit.
41:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Huh, all bullshit.
41:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh dang it, we got duped boys.
41:56
[SPEAKER_01]: We got duped.
41:57
[SPEAKER_01]: We got fucking duped.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe it.
42:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I just cannot believe it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shame on you.
42:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Shame on you.
42:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And they walk away.
42:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, washing their hands of it.
42:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Now they get the operate in perfect dark.
42:16
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what happened.
42:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It's exactly what happened.
42:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.
42:21
[SPEAKER_01]: At that point, I'm sure.
42:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said, it's a perfect cover story.
42:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're wondering why there wasn't anything captured on the cameras that the military had set up, there was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was.
42:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently the Ministry of Defense Watchers reported to Colin that they'd seen a triangle of orange lights over the field for twenty minutes, seemingly during the creation of said crop circles.
42:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But we're pretty sure now that it was just the heat signatures from the hoaxers paid to throw the formation together.
42:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Long story short that the whole thing was a setup from the beginning to the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They took Collins, wherewithal and his interest and his passion and his desire to get to the bottom of crop circles, to spread massive disinformation about crop circles.
43:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds about right?
43:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No flux given about anybody but themselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just completely ruin this man's life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Colin believes in with good reason the entirety of the operation was to discredit him and the phenomena.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly enough though, like Kyle said, in pure government intelligence agency form at the same time, just a few miles away from the highly publicized live television event that was Operation Blackbird, the army
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[SPEAKER_00]: The military, or the Ministry of Defense, was running a very secret surveillance mission on a place called Silbery Hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They even came forward later on, years later, and admitted to not only filming glowing orbs of light over these fields, just south of Silbery Hill, Silbery Hill, they also reported chasing them with helicopters at the exact same time Blackbird was being televised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the perfect slide of hand, which also brings me to a very crucial question or series of questions and statements.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know who originally suggested Blackbird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know how the location was originally picked, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially when you compare it with the fact that just down the road, the government, just so conveniently records a crop circle being formed and you have chosen all types of shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The point being is that in a law of our research, in many, many cases,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's never been quite thoroughly explained.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had little nods at it here and there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does the government know when and where these things are going to show up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they would have, in my opinion, the way that this all played out is that the government somehow knew that within this vicinity there was going to had something was going to take place.
45:42
[SPEAKER_01]: The best smokescreen is a few miles down the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll set up the antennae.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The eyes all down here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we operate over here.
45:52
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a perfect cover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone is going to be looking here while the real thing is going on here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How the fuck do you know that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What has happened?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we know when and where these things are going to form?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There has to be a scientific explanation to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be a process to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it would make the most sense that you take the crazy guy who's all in and be like, hey, dude, even if it's not, even if it's not, even if, even if they gave you the explanation of, hey, dude, like we're, we're into your work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've worked out some deals or we can quarantine off this area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe try to catch one, even if that's the explanation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're still gonna be hell excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna buy it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna go full in on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, they could have gotten like this is probable prime for crops are good, but they wouldn't have to even suggest that they would just say, hey, we're interested in work, but we want to help here's, you know, what we've gotten this farmer to agree to let us quarantine off this area, so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just want to know how it gets to get suggested and how
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[SPEAKER_01]: they knew something was gonna take place because there's no, you're not gonna convince me that in a fucking fifty mile radius, they put cameras in every single field.
47:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not gonna, that's, that's unrealistic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's furthermore without people noticing the input, you know, then putting the cameras in a fifty mile fucking radius.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, there's something about that particular area.
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: where crop circles are just they're just so dense like like that area around I don't know how close it was to where blackbird took place but like around the avaberry stone circle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, what it say, eighty percent of all crop circles were within ten mile radius there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy, which is nuts.
47:53
[SPEAKER_00]: There's theories that I get into later about like the chalk aquifer's underneath that area of the UK being significant because it's proven that they produce energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they think maybe that has something to do with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But who the fuck knows at this point?
48:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But as far as Colin goes, like imagine that, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're you're you've put in so much time decades of research
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[SPEAKER_00]: into this specific science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're finally starting to get people to notice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's finally starting to be at the forefront of the public.
48:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have that little blip on live television where you're at a crop circle and things start to mess up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's obvious energy interference and things.
48:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And people are like, okay, like something's too this.
48:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And then out of nowhere, you get these big sponsors like, hey,
48:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's let's let's put this together, you know, let's let's let's let's let's try to get this thing on film.
48:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to put you at the forefront of it.
48:59
[SPEAKER_00]: You get to spearhead it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You and your friend Pat put put this documentary together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to see what's causing this to fucking dream come true.
49:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You're getting fucking stoked, right?
49:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you get some like backhanded confirmation from the government.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From the Ministry of Defense saying, hey, there's something going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like we trust you and your knowledge to put this out.
49:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And so much so that we're gonna help fund it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna give you the equipment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna give you the area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like say that swath is right in the middle of the hot spot of crop circles or whatever the fuck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It had to be something because they didn't go that far to actually catch it.
49:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Ninety-eight percent of people get it hell excited in this moment and go full throttle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we would.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I fucking want to be like bet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's hundred percent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get it and just to have it all just Just ripped out from underneath you in just a like the ultimate fucking science
50:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, almost.
50:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I got a little bit more than we can wrap it up.
50:05
[SPEAKER_00]: But just like that, as I said before, Colin got shifted from a serious scientific investigator to a fringe conspiracy theorist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much so that his friend and research partner, Pat Delgado, he was so broken after that after just being made a mockery of because Pat was trying, like in the interview, it's crazy because Pat's trying to defend it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right he's like well maybe it was real and Collins like no bitch like we were had we we are the laughing stock of of the phenomena right now and it it broke pat down so bad
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[SPEAKER_00]: the blackbird hoax that he just retired abandoned all his research didn't mind thing to do with it anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can imagine and he survived he survived the Dave and Doug outlash like he he was made a fool during Dave and Doug which I'll talk about next episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But blackbird like it's one thing to have two old folkies like get one over on you.
51:07
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you have the government and the military sling and mud at you on live television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just just broken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that would happen to most people.
51:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it was just I don't it was just like I say it just robbed everything that you've ever worked for.
51:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And it like I can speak as a man that
51:30
[SPEAKER_00]: that hit to your pride sucks, especially something that you put so much time and effort and sweat and blood, time away from your family going out and researching this and just just doubling down on trot, like it's not even anything nefarious, like you're just trying to do a service to the world really to try to prove what this thing is and everybody who you thought was in your camp
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[SPEAKER_00]: That have any pull was just there to make you a magnetic it.
52:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's the thing about dudes too is like when we when we put that amount of work into something work, we're crazy, crazy passionate about it like it kind of you're proud of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're proud of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of becomes you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then I can only imagine the feeling of just
52:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not I don't even know that it would be that the government do few because at least at this point in our lives.
52:32
[SPEAKER_01]: That's almost to be expected.
52:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not so much back then, but now in today's world, it's almost to be expected.
52:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what hurts the most is that everyone around you in your close to circles are now going to look at you like you're you're a fucking joke.
52:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
52:46
[SPEAKER_01]: You're some type of cook who's just crazy.
52:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know.
52:53
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that's devastating.
52:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because people are going to look at you like the last twenty years your life was a waste of time.
52:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're just fucking crazy.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
53:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's it sucks.
53:03
[SPEAKER_01]: That sucks.
53:04
[SPEAKER_01]: That's huge.
53:05
[SPEAKER_01]: It sucks.
53:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge emotional hit, man.
53:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's shattering.
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it took its toll on pat.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He just stepped away from the phenomenon.
53:13
[SPEAKER_00]: He was just like, you know what?
53:15
[SPEAKER_00]: After the Doug and Dave thing, he bounced back like he was made to look a little bit in that in that one, which we'll talk about later.
53:23
[SPEAKER_00]: But this one, he was just like, I'm just, I'm just over it.
53:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But not calling.
53:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Colin doubled down.
53:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Good for him.
53:32
[SPEAKER_00]: He doubled down.
53:33
[SPEAKER_00]: All it did to him was prove that the ministry of defense took the phenomenon seriously enough that they wanted to discredit.
53:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, I almost cut you off before you got it out, but that's a true conspiracy theorist right there.
53:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He doubled down.
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
53:48
[SPEAKER_00]: They want the, these motherfuckers want the public to think this is all hoax.
53:52
[SPEAKER_00]: This is all just about our shit.
53:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
53:54
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, let's get it.
53:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking love the fact that he sees through it and it's like, I'm on something bitch.
54:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
54:01
[SPEAKER_01]: This is me.
54:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I got this.
54:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Pat, you're tapping out.
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck it.
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going full in, big dog.
54:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know this is real now.
54:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
54:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
54:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Because him being a serious, like, up to that point, he was a serious scientific investigator, right?
54:20
[SPEAKER_00]: People, people put, he had credibility.
54:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And now that it was fringe,
54:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He still had credibility with people that believed that there was something to the phenomena.
54:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And these people started backing him.
54:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Thousands of people were like, hey, he's on to something.
54:38
[SPEAKER_00]: This becomes a very big problem for the fucking British government.
54:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So they go full on disinformation campaign.
54:46
[SPEAKER_00]: They bring in the big guns, which is a alphabet agency that we're very familiar of.
54:52
[SPEAKER_01]: known as the CIA, but see that like that's the thing to about conspiracy theorists.
54:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You start bringing in the big guns.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all the more confirmation.
55:02
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so hard to combat conspiracy theorists.
55:06
[SPEAKER_01]: It really is.
55:07
[SPEAKER_01]: If you think about it, it's hard.
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: It just acknowledges a hundred percent that there's some bullshit.
55:11
[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.
55:13
[SPEAKER_01]: If the government doubles down on it and brings in the CIA of the NSA or whoever.
55:19
[SPEAKER_01]: The conspiracy theorists are like a zip baby.
55:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This is them to us.
55:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's them publicly coming out on television saying aliens are real.
55:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
55:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I know they're not, but to us, that's the equivalent of.
55:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I fucking love it.
55:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
55:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that like he's just one dude.
55:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Just one dude that will not shut the fuck up.
55:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And the military industrial complex is like, what the fuck can we do?
55:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Aside from offing him at this point, what can we do?
55:51
[SPEAKER_01]: And from that, because of the way conspiracy theorists are, now that I think about it, it's kind of off topic.
55:56
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably why over time the government has taken different approaches to dismantle conspiracy theorists where they've started.
56:05
[SPEAKER_01]: They've started essentially creating their own conspiracies that our conspiracies, but people believe that their conspiracies, and then it becomes the self-consumption of conspiracy theorists.
56:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Because really, that's like legitimately the only way to combat that.
56:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Because conspiracy theorists are kind of fucking out there.
56:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just got to keep, keep stacking it up.
56:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
56:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep making it crazy.
56:27
[SPEAKER_00]: You're crazy.
56:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
56:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's.
56:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, it gets interesting.
56:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I dig that.
56:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm proud of my dude.
56:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm proud of my dude for standing, standing tentos and saying, get fucked, get bad.
56:44
[SPEAKER_01]: And seeing through the smoke and just being like, this is it.
56:47
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the big one.
56:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
56:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so once they, once they started pulling the CIA and working, working with that, uh, the, like US intelligence agencies to try to dismantle him.
57:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Old Boy does exactly what any of us in the realm would do once they're starting to threaten you.
57:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Just blast it to start doing interviews and shit, just calling them out, calling them good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to get into that next episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be sure to stick around.
57:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited because we get into some weirdness.
57:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring it like we're into kind of the conspiracy realm right now.
57:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to bring it back into more weird crop circle stuff toward the end.
57:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the whole thing right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're in the thick of
57:29
[SPEAKER_00]: the in what's the word I'm looking for here intelligence agency trying to cover up crop circles, which for something that wasn't that interesting to anyone.
57:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, I put a lot of time and money into like making us know that it's not real.
57:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So on that note, thanks for hanging out with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be sure to tune in next week for more crop circle stuff and more weird government decisions.
57:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I need to shout out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My sources definitely check out the Wi files that like a lot of this information that's coming from there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did an excellent excellent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cole Montage on crop circles, not that they need me to shout the matter anything, but I just want to put that where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, there is a interview written by John King, which I'll talk about later, called CIA involvement crop circles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get into that a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: CIA.gov has an information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What else have I got?
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[SPEAKER_00]: NAU.edu has a bunch of information that I've pulled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a whole bunch of stuff, but definitely check out the Wifiiles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes way into this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, check us out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Until we meet again, stay safe, stay weird, tune in next week for part two, and never trust the military industrial complex.