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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of The Tenth Planet (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  None. Hamster with a blump.
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  Pen Knife for doing quicker, quicker, quicker.
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  This is coming out of full hamster episodes, so I'm going
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  to introduce episode 2 in in just a second.
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  Dylan. Yeah.
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  In terms of sort of episode ones, how does that rank?
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  I think it's a fantastic episode one.
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  I think it's got a great build up with a great cliffhanger.
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  And, you know, the central mystery is an intriguing one.
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  And I can imagine being 10 years old in 1966 and thinking for
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  this is going to be a belter. I can only speak for Joe Ford in
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  2023, who watched this the other night.
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  I was absolutely hooked. In fact, I really liked episode
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  one. And here's a little teaser of
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  what's to come. But when the side men came into
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  it, and especially in Episode 2, I fucking loved it.
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  Yeah, that was absolutely gripped.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  It's it's, it's just a great episode one.
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  And it does feel, I know it's very easy to sort of say this in
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  hindsight, but it does feel a little bit like, oh, something,
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  it's something a little different is happening here.
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  It does feel like the end of an era.
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  Well, OK folks, we're going to go into episode 2 if you're all
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  ready. Dylan, Are you ready?
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  I was born ready. Well then I'm going to start
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  episode 2 with Welcome Back to Hamster with a Bloodbed Knife,
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  the Doctor Who Coventry podcast, Dylan episode two of The 10th
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  Planet. I'm very excited.
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  Here we are streaming live to the nation.
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  They're all they're all poised to hear what we think of Episode
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  2. Well, why don't you count as in
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  then? Come on.
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  OK, let's press play in 54321. Off we go, right?
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  We should all be In Sync this time.
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  Yes, I'm very much In Sync. I'd like to ask you lovely
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  people out there, what do you think of the Mondassian
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  Cybermen? A design which only managed to
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  reach 3 storeys. This spare parts and well enough
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  in time in the Doctor Falls I think.
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  Is that it? No, they show up in What's the
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  one with Mary Shelley? That is a Big finish one.
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  Of course, God damn it, I can't remember the name of it.
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  Now I. Still the Turk.
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  Still the Turk now I would. Oh, actually, you're talking
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  bollocks, Joe. They're in Big Finish all the
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  time now. Didn't the didn't the knife
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  doctor just meet him? They did, and they're in loads
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  of comics in the 60s. A factual Doctor Who podcast.
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  Regardless of how many stories there are in, what do you think
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  of them? I mean, I love them.
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  I think they're a brilliant design.
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  Now originally, and this leads into something that looks a bit
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  silly in a minute, They were supposed to be sort of
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  beautiful, you know, people with angular drawer drawer, angular
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  jaws with like tight fitting sort of lycra body suits and
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  like a metal plate on their head.
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  So they weren't quite as computerized.
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  Now that is why in a minute you see them walking wearing the the
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  soldiers Parker jackets and they look ridiculous because of
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  course, as that design that would have worked.
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  But instead you suddenly go. Nobody turns around and goes.
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  Why has he suddenly got a massive head?
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  I mean, do you know what? Like just take the lamp off and
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  that would still kind of work the parkers.
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  But because the lamps are so high, when they put those on
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  they look so silly. Yeah, Anthony Carroll says.
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  I think they were meant to be gloved.
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  They were meant to be gloved, but Sandra Reed forgot to source
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  the gloves basically, so they ended up with just their normal.
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  Hands OK to watch who a Doctor Who podcast says NNNNXXXXX.
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  Thank you for that. Auntie Carol also says it's a
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  great look, but a bit hard to listen to what they're saying.
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  Oh, I love, I love their voices. I love the fact that they just
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  open their mouths and the the sound comes out, which was that
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  was Derek Martinez as well. He decided we're going to get
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  the voices done by somebody else and the actors are just going to
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  go and open their mouths. I mean, it's Roy Skelton again,
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  isn't it? Oh, Chef Harry.
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  Oh, Daniel. Rosie is asking.
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  Do Cybermen and cold weather just go well together?
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  Their silhouette look amazing in the snow and it just seems to
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  fit them so well even in the winter set.
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  New series episodes. Yeah, I do think there's
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  something about seeing them against sort of the harshness of
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  nature and like these inhospitable environments that
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  we can't exist in without support and they can just wander
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  through, especially with their bare hands.
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  Yeah, well, I mean in the next Doctor when they come through
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  the graveyard in the snow as well, Yeah, they're tapping into
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  this. And in a well enough in time
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  with Doctor Falls, isn't there a sequence of them walking through
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  and this sort of ash flying out that sort of spaceship?
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  Yeah, I think that I have to say that I do like the fact that
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  they bought the design back in world enough in time, but it
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  bothers me that it's a bit it's not as accurate like it's
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  missing the sort of wiring and the polystyrine not plus polyes,
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  polythene overall bit to it that just makes it a bit more alien.
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  I think they should have gone harder on on on the accuracy.
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  Were they a little bit embarrassed, do you think?
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  I don't know because the, have you seen the original designs
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  where they weren't going to go full Mondassi and they were
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  going to be a bit more body horror?
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  I think they look cool. I don't know whether it, I, I
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  find it hard to be objective. I don't know whether those
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  designs work on television in 2017 or whatever it was.
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  You remember what you said about them just opening their mouths?
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  I mean, the, the IT looks like somebody's screaming.
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  That's what's scary about that. And yet and yet this weird sort
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  of almost mocking sing song voice comes out.
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  It's very jarring, but that's what makes it creepy.
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  It's utterly alien. And you know, fair play to
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  Sandra Reed for sort of going a little bit extra with the
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  costumes because they are. I mean, they're bulky and weird
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  and look weirdly thrown together, but I think they're
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  brilliant. Also in wild enough in time, why
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  don't they use their their weapons from the the crotch?
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  They they shoot everybody out the head instead.
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  Why would you give me a line like that?
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  But I also think as well. Have you ever seen Leatherface?
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  Leatherface. Yeah, the horror creation.
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  I don't think I have. He looks very like because it's
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  sort of like wrinkled leather. Now if I Google Leatherface, am
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  I going to get something else? Don't Google it live.
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  I'm, I'm Googling it right now. Oh yeah, no, I have seen
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  Leatherface you. Know.
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  What I mean, yeah. Yeah, it's, it's that weird.
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  I don't know. It's very, very.
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  And when they become just a mask, so just a metal mask or
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  probably, you know, plastic mask, it loses something,
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  doesn't it? It lose it's because it feels
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  like they've been sort of put together in a hurry in
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  desperation so it all looks a bit comical yeah that's what
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  makes it so effective yeah but I.
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  I just love that. So we've had a few people who
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  have been commenting on them. Beeble Pete says.
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  The less they move, the more it strikes me their corpse is
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  creepy. Then suddenly it's a moving car
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  boot sale. Joe Allen says the head looks
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  really creepy, but the oversized chest pieces look awkward.
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  I mean, they were awkward, weren't they?
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  Nobody in those costumes could actually sit down.
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  Daniel Rosie says the side men give great heads.
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  They do I. Mean OT, Daniel noted.
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  They were the they were the first duck who monsters to have
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  DSLS as the kids call them. What?
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  Is that? Dick sucking lips.
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  How did I not know that? Speechless, frankly.
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  How to get you come on to this podcast and lower the tone?
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  I'm sorry. I shall.
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  I should leave. Shouldn't I?
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  Please. Please.
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  Don't please. So, so again, as a kid, this
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  whole thing of there was just this these little clips you got
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  like there was one in the making of Silver Nemesis.
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  There was of them walking through the snow.
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  There was and also this scene on the the Cybermen, the early
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  years VHS where that you know, they are, they're well dark
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  return and I just they're instantly mimicable.
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  But I was obsessed like anything I could find about these
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  particular Cybermen. So I had the Cyberman book by
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  David Banks, which they appear in.
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  I read the target novelization a couple of times and I was just
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  obsessed with the these the these Cybermen seeing this story
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  and it was a long time before I actually saw it.
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  Well, if you were obsessed then and and you've studied this in a
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  little bit of depth, can you please tell me what that side
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  man says when he just points and goes trigger what I think?
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  I think he's saying or about to say triggers at aim or triggers
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  at reality or something like that.
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  It's a very strange moment, you know it.
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  Is it is. I love Polly in this scene.
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  Now, Annika Wills, who's not short of an opinion or two, says
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  on several documentaries how Kit Peddler and Jerry Davis always
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  wanted to write her up, so they didn't just want her to play the
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  little woman. So she's the one that goes at
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  the sideman and says, don't you care?
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  You know? But it's really driving the
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  point home that they've got no emotion.
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  And they don't care. Why should I care?
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  There are people die all over your planet.
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  That's what they do. I don't know who you sound like.
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  Was that nearly? Racist.
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  You know who you sound like? You sound like Ruth Shearsmith
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  when he goes. I hadn't thought of that.
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  It's because I haven't got the mic.
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  If I had the mic, you'd be going God.
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  It's it's that a temp planet Cyberman.
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  I'm not going to lie, I've been practicing inside the voices all
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  day to cyber. Doing one or something?
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  They will not return. That, that's impressive.
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  That's that's much better than mine.
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  Unimportant. Oh, they're marvelous.
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  So you can see what the kids locked onto it now, can't you?
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  Yeah, absolutely. They're they're terrifying.
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  I wit the the leaders a little bit chubby.
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  He's got a bit of a chubby face. And I actually like the
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  background ones who have got skinnier faces and they look a
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  little bit like it looks almost more sort of skeletal underneath
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  because they're skinnier. I believe the leader may go on
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  to play an important role in attack on the sidemen, you know.
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  Yes, exactly. Cyber leaders are chubby.
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  Although David Banks answered this question, he said, well,
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  it's that the cyber leaders have had more enhancements, so that's
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  why they look bigger. Let's say there you go.
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  He wasn't just churning out tie in books, was he?
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  He was no absolutely sideman, but was really the illustrations
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  in that. Yeah, it incredible.
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  It's a great book. And he also released audio
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  tapes. Didn't he have sort of readings
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  from it, which I've got somewhere.
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  And I mean, he just on his myth makers.
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  He keeps talking about the Cybermen as if they're a real
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  race. He got so into and obsessed with
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  the Cybermen. It's like he's just a bit part
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  actor mate. Sorry, David Banks, if you're
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  out there, you know, listening, but you know, it's it's very
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  odd. It's very odd how into the
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  Cybermen he got. His two claims to fame are that
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  he got to play the Doctor for one night only during or a
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  couple of weeks I think it was wasn't it during the ultimate
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  adventure and marvellous he was too are here.
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  And his second claim to fame is he wrote the New Adventures
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  novel Iceberg where he got to utter the not very often heard
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  word fuck in Doctor Who because that was during that that phase
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  of the New Adventures where they were testing out heavy swearing.
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  Decided not to after that. Excellent.
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  Well, good old David Banks. He was at Regenerations the
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  other week and he's he's a very charming.
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  He's someone that has been away from Doctor fandom for years and
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  then has come back now that the money's dried up.
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  Now, the first time I ever saw this was in the end a very ropey
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  sort of 3rd generation copy of like a fan recording.
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  And it was from a company called Joint Venture.
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  I say a company, a group of fans called Joint Venture and they
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  used to do recons before Loose Cannon did recons.
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  And if you ordered a story that had surviving episodes, if they
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  weren't available from on VHS, they would put the surviving
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  episodes on with the Recon. So I ordered 10th Planet
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  forward. You've got the other three
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  episodes. And the day I saw it was one of
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  the greatest days of my life. I would have been about 14 years
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  old. It's the dollar.
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  No, you just send off a tape and like 2 weeks later a Recon had
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  arrived. That and Loose Loose Cannon who
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  used to send those out for free as well.
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  I don't know what a service I did to fans.
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  And yet you've still got build bags charging 499 for a 10
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  minute making of an audio play that's 20 years old.
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  Although as a side note, should you have a particularly rainy
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  day, go and buy a probe. When to die or time to die?
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  What's it called again? When to die, Time to die is
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  James Bond. It's very important you don't
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  mix those two up, but. No wait, watch them back-to-back
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  When to die and Time to die. You'll see the exactly the same
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  production values in both. I would advise alcohol to be
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  consumed before and during watching.
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  Probe when to die. It is not something anybody
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  should have to experience sober. You know, when that side man
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  earlier snapped that gun in half, That normally looks really
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  pony, doesn't it? I actually thought that looked
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  quite impressive. No, it looked.
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  Really good? Not really.
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  Because normally they sort of snap a plastic prop or is this
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  how we just sort of bent it? Yeah, It's like it's made out of
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  really weak metal or something. So it's more sort of durable,
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  but it also looks realistic. Anthony Carroll says he's
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  reporting to BBC licensing there.
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  Oh. No, Jesus Christ, someone's in
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  trouble. What do you reckon then to the
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  So obviously, as we go on through Doctor Who, the Cybermen
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  have many, many weaknesses. Gold coins, you know, a gold
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  sneeze or anything that's coming out of.
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  Them a glitter gun. What about a silent movie, which
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  is what Ben uses? He's like I.
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  Mean I I always think these Cybermen are not quite they're
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  they're not quite devoid of emotion they're very early sort
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  of you know that they have more weaknesses than than later
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  Cybermen. So I don't it makes sense that
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  that it would overpower and and blind them in a way.
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  And obviously radiation later in the story becomes a big issue
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  for them. I.
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  Mean they still have hands, don't they?
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  I know they weren't supposed to, but that was such a savvy move
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  that they were like, no, we're just going to keep it in.
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  Yeah, Joe Welland says the astronauts are doing pretty good
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  0G acting, which is very true, I mean.
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  Joe, do you remember this from the Android invasion?
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  Well, partly when he had the hair dryer in his face in the
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  Ambassador's affair. It's a skill, OK?
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  Now, obviously they've just been destroyed that they they have
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  two extra cameras for this story which were on the astronauts at
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  all times. So they could like do the live
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  feed into the other sets. How?
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  Do you know this? I have done my research, Joe I.
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  I expect nothing, but someone's got to have some facts at their
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  fingertips, don't they? I think that's my last facts.
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  Oh, no, actually I've got a couple for episode 4 as well.
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  But yeah, it's just going the extra mile.
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  And so those actors were always acting during those episodes
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  because they could be seen on screen essentially at all times
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  during the base. Something that Mark and I were
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  talking about earlier, he was like, do you reckon?
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  Oh, Mark Cochrum says Dylan's a professional.
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  So are you, Mark. You know I.
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  I love, Sorry to interrupt, but I love the fact that this
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  Cyberman pulls out his dictaphone and goes around
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  asking everybody's name and occupation.
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  Doesn't he keep going? Doesn't he keep saying HA?
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  Occupation. Mind your own bloody business.
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  We only take the best. But then Mark was saying because
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  we're we're sort of approaching towards the end of the episode
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  and obviously Hartnell's not in three.
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  So it's like do you think Hartnell for a sicky on his
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  Penelope episode or is is it documented that he was actually
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  genuine? He had bronchitis.
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  Oh. OK.
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  It wasn't. It was not a well man, which you
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  know, but bronchitis is not the same as his.
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  What was it? Artis?
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  I can't remember. Artis.
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  I don't know. What's called artis sclerosis?
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  That's the 1. So it's not I, I just don't buy
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  that. Hartnall was on what?
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  Because if you look at the Smugglers, which admittedly was
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  a holdover from the previous series, he's on fine form there.
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  He's on great form in one and two, He's not about in three.
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  He may be on less fine form in four, but I think that is what
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  they call acting because his character's on the way out.
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  OK, well then I'm going to ask you the question now if that's
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  OK. And that is, do you feel as if
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  I'm talking a load of bullshit when I say that Hartnell being
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  weakened by the toy maker and weakened by the Time destructor
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  in the Daleks master plan and weakened by the savages when he
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  had his life sucked out of him in that?
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  Is this all leading up to the 10th Planet, or are those just
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  rehearsals for what's to come? I I think it's nice to imagine
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  that that's the case, but I don't.
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  Think it's true? I think it's just Mondas sort of
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  sucking him dry, as I keep saying.
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  I, I also, I, I think the thing about Hartnell is I think the
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  workload is too much for him, but that doesn't mean he's not
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  delivering at any point, not. So not at.
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  All like, I mean, you try making ATV show and being a part time
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  alcoholic, you know, 40-50 weeks a year, you're really going to
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  have trouble. I mean, I'm surprised he had any
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  time to fit in any racism, you know?
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  I just imagine him getting this script and going, oh, Heather,
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  honestly, the evil that's in Doctor Who these days.
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  I'm going to have so free off all right.
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  Now this is the bit where we see his missing teeth and also he
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  suddenly morphs into David Bradley.
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  Indeed. What did you think about those?
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  I thought they were glorious when they remade those scenes
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  from the film. Yeah, and I, I love them.
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  And there was loads more of them, apparently.
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  And so they shot a lot more. And there's pictures of very
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  like the Cybermen and stuff like that being used in it, but
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  obviously they're not there. Yeah, it was obviously Moffett
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  trying to remake as much of 10th Planet 4 as he possibly could.
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  You should have just done the whole thing while he had the
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  money, Russell. You got that Mickey Mouse money.
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  Now we want entire classic Doctor Who stories remade.
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  We've got a few more comments here.
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  Dan Knight, Hello Daniel. He is giving us the correct
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  pronunciation of Hartnell, saying it's arteriosclerosis.
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  There we. Go.
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  So there's at least one fact for everybody today.
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  Mark Cochrum says Trouton was shagged out by the end.
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  I know he was. Did you see how many wives they
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  had? No, they didn't have Hartnell's
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  health problems. And it's true it it was a
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  punishing schedule. You've also missed out your
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  boyfriend to watch him, Mark, who says Hartnell master plan
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  very good. What?
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  Does he mean? Well, what were we just talking
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  about of the, you know, being the time destructor and all that
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  jazz? OK, that was very good.
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  Given I did just miss him out, I'll say his next comment.
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  Give Hartnell a month off and I'm sure he could have carried
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  on, he said. Yeah, I think you probably if if
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  they were doing sort of 30 episodes a year and he had time
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  off, I got no doubt he could have done a few more years.
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  And Joel Ellen says they need to release all the footage from
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  Twice Upon a Time. Twice Upon a Time which the
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  original edit was apparently 90 minutes long.
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  And how long was the episode? An hour.
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  So there's 30 minutes of. It's just not.
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  Not properly. It's just Daniel Rumsby says.
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  Love, pride, hate, fear. Have you no emotions, Sir?
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  It's such a great moment. From heart.
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  No. Absolutely yes.
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  I'm fine form I'm fine form till the the bitter end.
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  Now there was a minor sort of controversy recently online
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  because the BBC uploaded the regeneration of the 1st Doctor
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  and it was from Twice Upon a Time.
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  But that didn't really bother me because in Twice Upon a Time it
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  still then fades back to the original regeneration scene.
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  So basically, I don't know what Doctor Who fans are bitching
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  about, but. What was the controversy about?
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  Because I didn't do the original.
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  Yeah, because so they didn't use a bit of the animation or they
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  didn't use the cine footage that that led up because, you know,
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  we've got that cine footage that's sort of poor quality of
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  the the TARDIS losing its shit. Instead they go Bradley.
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  And then for the regeneration, it goes back to Hartmann and
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  then to Trout and which, you know, I think it's probably the
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  best way to present it. It's the same argument I'll
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  choose when I talk about the Timeless Children.
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  You know, like it didn't rewrite anything and the original
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  footage is all still there and untouched.
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  Yeah, exactly. Doctor Who fans just, like, need
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  something to whinge about, though.
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  Don't. They, oh, yeah, I've been taking
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  a little bit of a, a break through most of the day off of
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  Twitter recently because there's been spats all over the place.
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  It's been, yeah, very unpleasant.
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  Daniel Knight says. Do you think Annika Wills is too
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  harsh on Hartnell when she talks about him?
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  That's a great point. I do, yes.
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  Yeah. I do as well.
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  I think, you know, Annika Wills is very opinionated and I, you
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  know, I don't know Annika, I don't know anything about her,
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  but she comes across as somebody who likes to cause a bit of
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  controversy and, you know, make a fuss over things.
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  So yes, I do think so. Now, not to say that if he was a
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  bigot he shouldn't be pulled up for that behaviour, but you
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  know. Morgan O'Brien talks about him
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  in the latest Blu-ray and she says I know, I know he was a
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  racist. I know he was homophobic, he had
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  massive flaws. He was also a very kind
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  gentleman when he wanted to be and and a creative and a
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  perfectionist. And so she gives a far more sort
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  of balance views. Annika always just goes, Oh
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  well, we wanted Hartnell gone and we wanted Trout and in it
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  feels very sort of unbalanced. I also think sort of
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  retrospectively, it's very easy for her to to go.
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  Those sort of 12 weeks she spent with Hartnell were pretty
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  uncomfortable, but that was 12 weeks out of the guy's entire
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  life, and he was reportedly unwell.
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  So, you know, perhaps he wasn't in the best of moods and he,
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  just like all his mates, had left by this point.
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  You know, it feels like Peter Purvis was probably his last
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  sort of great friend on the series that that left, and then
• 23:32
  he was just left with a bunch of newbies.
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  I think it's worth noting that Sarah Sutton had an not
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  altogether great time with Tom Baker in the last two stories of
• 23:42
  season 18 and very subtly just says I didn't enjoy that time
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  and then moves on. Whereas Annika Wells is like I
• 23:51
  must sell another copy of my book.
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  Yeah, but I mean, Sarah Sutton doesn't really have opinions on
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  anything. I find her so dull.
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  I'm sorry. Sarah Sutton, if you're
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  listening, she's not listening. But there's that.
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  I watched that bloody What's That thing on the season 20
• 24:07
  Glock set And then travelling to Germany and I just, I thought it
• 24:10
  was the dullest extra they've ever put together.
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  I loved it, what are you talking about?
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  To Fast forward it, by the end they should have done more
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  scripted, Mark Donaldson of All the Time Last said in our little
• 24:20
  Greek chat. He said They should have done
• 24:21
  more scripted stuff and I think I think that's right, but I was
• 24:25
  so bored by nothing. To do with the 10 planet.
• 24:27
  The reason I liked it though, was because Janet Fielding is
• 24:30
  on. Every time you see her at a
• 24:31
  convention and all these things, she's always on.
• 24:33
  She cannot be on for that sustained period of time.
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  I feel that's the one time we got to see her off.
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  Yeah, just. Oh, Mark Cockrum loved it too.
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  Thank you, Mark. There we go.
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  And to watch. Who said?
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  Of course, she is referring to Annika Wills being too hard on
• 24:49
  on Hartnell. I mean, each of their own.
• 24:53
  Daisy, my partner was sat in the room sort of on her phone
• 24:55
  watching. And she loves shows like that.
• 24:57
  And she was like, this is far too long and boring.
• 24:59
  And this is usually my cup of tea.
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  You know She likes cruising with Jane McDonald.
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  Not fair enough. We've never been cruising
• 25:09
  together. I won't tell you what we watch
• 25:11
  when we are watching Doctor Who. You don't want to know, I do.
• 25:14
  Want to know I've? Got a a cliffhanger comparison
• 25:18
  question for you that I've just thought up.
• 25:20
  Hit me. Well, this is ends with them
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  going, my God, it's a fleet of cyber spaceships.
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  And then you get to see the sort of, you know, the the graphic.
• 25:30
  The radar, yeah. Yeah, and then at the end of
• 25:33
  Silver Nemesis Episode 2, it's like, of course they're shrouded
• 25:38
  cyber warships, thousands of them.
• 25:42
  They're invisible. And then you get to see all of
• 25:44
  the fabulous egg boxes hanging in space.
• 25:46
  Yeah. But which is better?
• 25:48
  I love, I love an egg box in space, if I'm honest, Anthony
• 25:53
  Anthony Carroll says next debate Z Bomb or Z bomb.
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  Oh well, we'll save it for Episode 3.
• 26:00
  How exciting. So I'm assuming you're going for
• 26:02
  the Silver Nemesis 1 then? What the your silver Nemesis all
• 26:06
  the way? Also I think those models look
• 26:07
  great in silver Nemesis. What are you talking about?
• 26:10
  What is wrong with you? I have my eggs out of one of
• 26:12
  those this morning. Well, look, would you care to
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  intro episode 3? We can get going with the next
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  episode.