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Full Spectrum Cycling #106 – Seeley Dave Chats AirBNB and Warm Weather Fatbike Racing · Full Spectrum Cycling

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[upbeat music] Welcome, radio listener, to Full Spectrum Cycling, show number 106.
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106. It's Sven with Sven's friends, JK- Hi... and Tony. Hello. We're in the River West studio for another couple of weeks. [laughs] Well, it'll still be a River West studio, but it won't be at this location.
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I keep updating everybody on, but nothing's really changing. What's changing there? Electrical is complete. Mm. But it's not tied in yet. Mm. So we're just waiting for that final flip switching, switch flipping.
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Breaker plugging. It's coming. What is it? Tiny strokes fell mighty oaks or something? Something like that. Something like that. And if it's not, now it is. Copyright JK. Copyright JK. [laughs] Copyright Occasional Mike.
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[laughs] Uh, T Berger made a, uh, stop up to the Helds. I did. Oh, I seize. Brought in some jerkies. I did bring some jerkies. I seize and I tasted. I was actually kind of in that area,
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but I was not at the driving controls, so I couldn't- Mm... do the eastern 20-minute drive. Shall I turn up that microphone so we can hear you opening this up? Yeah. Let's see if that works. There you go. There it is.
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[laughs] Opening up the Helds. Uh, we got, uh, teriyaki and, uh- Hot Spicy... spicy beef jerky. Spicy beef jerky. I believe Held sells online, in case you're somewhere- They do...
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in the country that you can't drive by Helds up there in, uh, is it in Slinger or Allenton or somewhere? It's, yeah, it's Slinger. Slinger. It's on 60. Slinger, Wisconsin up there. God, this is big.
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God's country that way, up that way. Uh, but they do sell online too, so you could just order some for your own damn self from wherever you are. Mm-hmm.
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If you wanna go to the next level, the, uh, garlic ring bologna's pretty freaking awesome too. Do they ship that in dry ice or is it- No, no... is it cured enough to transport- Oh, yeah... across the US of A
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in a hot- It's, it's worth driving there... in a hot trunk probably. [laughs] All I gotta say is- Yeah... it's worth driving there if you're within, you know, 200 miles. That is a good thing. Mm.
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So, uh, we talked briefly, I think I might even have put a picture of it up last week, the Handlebar Jack. Mm-hmm. God. The handlebarjack.com, handlebarjack.com. Jack, Jack. Uh, it's, it's really a cool thing.
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It's actually in use and it works really, really well. Yeah. We, well, so we have this long tail f- cargo fat bike that has, you know, big... Well, it's gonna get, now it's getting new shoes.
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It's gonna get some of my other brother Daryl rims up on there, so to get some wider rims than the old slick, uh, North Paw rims.
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And it had a flat, so, you know, in- instead of lifting this 80 pound or whatever this thing weighs into the bike stand, I thought, by cracky, that bike jack is a dang good idea for this.
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[laughs] And, you know, it's got a, it's got an e-bike display on it, which I'm sure I would've smashed because- Right. Absolutely... the thing is so heavy. Flipped it over. Yeah. Flipping it over.
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Um, so I, I'm pretty stoked so far with this idea, and I'm also going to use them to build our next couple of e-bike projects instead of using a stand, at least for the part where the wheel has to go on.
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'Cause being upside down is way easier. It totally is. For- Mounting the wheel? Yeah... way easier. For that part of the situation. So, uh, I'll have pictures of this thing on the old dang old show notes.
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You should, uh, check it out. The one thing that I came up with, remember last week we talked about what that stupid black foam thing in every SRAM derailleur box is good for? What are you gonna use it for?
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Look at what I'm using it for. Aha. Oh, protecting the seat. Protecting the- Aha... you know, the very expensive, uh, uh, Selle Anatomica leather saddle. Just stick that thing right under there.
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Uh, that said, I think if he doesn't already do it, he should sell a bike seat cover to go with this thing because then your saddle will also be- Covered... protected by some sort of m- material. Mm-hmm.
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'Cause I sure as heck would hate to scuff up my, uh, Selle Anatomica. Selle, yeah, no doubt. No doubt. That's a, that's a comfy seat.
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Been kind of- Speaking of, uh, Selle, sorry to interrupt you, Selle, Selle An- Anatomica. Dan will be coming to get his bike on Friday. Oh, yep.
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Thank you Dan for bringing your, your Surly Cross Check to us for a rebuild. It does have a- Greg got it taken care of... does have a Selle Anatomica on it. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Uh, there is an invoice in the system.
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Thank you. So. He, uh, he actually asked me years ago, he's like, "What kind of saddle should I buy?" And I said, "Well, at your size, sir, there's only one saddle you should buy. That's the Selle."
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And he has since praised that saddle a number of times to me. [laughs] I was... Oh, I, I got it on my, uh, my one of a kind, uh, Rolloff, it powered bike over there that has... That, that, I love that saddle.
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And well, there, there's n- not anything to not like about that bike rack. No, that's true. That's why I'm not selling- I mean, it is kind of-... that's why I'm not selling it.
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[laughs] All the way around, that's kind of beautiful. Except for the handles. Uh, the, the, you know, grips are not orange, I know. No, that's a, that's a red bike. Yeah.
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It's got red hubs, got red stickers, got red grips.
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Uh, should've got red- No orange bags or, um- I think I should get some red bags for it 'cause those orange bags are going on, they're going on the dreamsicle bike which is now complete. Mm. That is also pretty sexy.
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Which is, which is my, uh, it's a, it's an older 2015, I think, uh, Fargo, Salsa Fargo titanium model. Thank you- New old stock... thank you Chewy for the extremely good deal on that puppy. Yeah.
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Now we're gonna electrify it- And, uh-... just to piss you off. And now I threw a whole bunch of spendy parts at it. [laughs] Not that spendy. Well, the, the handlebars are the, uh, whatever the-
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You got a Moots titanium seat post on it. [laughs] The whiskey seat post. Yeah, and I got a Moots ti post on it of course. I'm sure those rotors aren't cheap either, by the looks of it.
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Eh, actually they were pr- I think they were on sale, that's why I got them. And they were orange which is also why I got them. Uh, the, I can't remember what that particular handlebar's called. It's not the Milhouse.
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The Milhouse is the one that looks more like a BMX bar. It's the other one from Whiskey that, it looks more like a retro, swoopy- It's kinda cool. Yeah, it, it's very comfortable. Looks like a really comfy bike.
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So I wanna get the Milhouse when they come back in stock for, probably for the, uh, for the, the Mr. Red over there. Hmm. Maybe not. I don't know. But that has those, uh, 20-degree sweep, um- You love those...
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yeah, Answer. Well, they were Answer. Now they're s- what are they now? Uh, eh, whatever. You know what they are. They're those things. Yeah, those things. You know what I'm talking about.
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Takes you- You know what I'm talking about... takes a picture. [laughs] Uh, heck, and, A, it was nice out on Monday. Yeah, and then it turned to shit. Yeah. Yeah. Pardon my French. Got a little chilly today. Yes.
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I didn't quite figure out my layering s- scenario and wind direction-ry. Ay, ay, ay. Um, m- yeah, Monday was extremely windy. [laughs] And you also were indisposed, so didn't join us at The Door, which was hot dog day.
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Yes, indeed. What? What? What? It's hot dog day every Monday at The Door. What? Yep. Yep. You got your- Oh... $3 hot dogs. You got your, uh, you got your Chicago style. A- and then you got your Western.
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You got your Western and, and, uh- Chili... chili. Yeah, chili cheese dog. Oh my God, the Western's with the really good barbecue sauce, isn't it? Oh, yeah. I have done this once. Oh, I'm an idiot for not remembering.
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Mondays, any Monday you're off, Tony Burger, we should go down there. $3 hot dogs? Mm-hmm. And they still got the three for five, uh, token beers, too, so. Oh, God, I gotta take a Monday off.
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[laughs] This is what we do once things return to, quote-unquote, "normal." I know we're getting sick of that. [laughs] We go to brunch at The Noble, enjoy some brunch, do a nice bike ride,
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end up at The Door for hot dogs, do another nice bike ride. And then end up at the Palapa for a tasty beverage. [laughs] I'm, I'm all down with all of that. Mondays should not be work days. No. Nope.
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Neither should- Thursdays... Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays, or Sundays. Right. Yeah... I think Tuesdays and Wednesdays, those are good work days right there. Yeah. I can even throw a Thursday in there.
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Throw a Thursday in there, too. Mm-hmm. So, yeah. That'd be, that'd be calling sick on that day, but- [laughs]
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Well, last week on Thursday, I, uh, I, I t- after Wendy got off work and Garrett got off school, we went up to Door County. DoCo. And I found sand, by cracky. No. I'm thinking we got a solid six miles of sand- Whoa...
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in one direction just south of Sturgeon Bay, so. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, what's going on here? Hey. Hey, welcome to the radio program caller. Who do we have on the line? Well, it's Seely Dave calling in. Seely Dave.
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Oh, Seely Dave. Seely Dave. Calling from? Well, Seely, Wisconsin. [laughs] Seely, Wisconsin. Yes, yes. How's it going, boys? Oh, it's going well. We were, uh, just, uh, discussing the fact that I found some sand
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on my trip up to Door County this weekend.
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I had never- Yeah, I, I called in a, I called in a few minutes before you picked up, and I, I was able to listen to the program at the time and, and heard that you said you might have found, like, uh, maybe six miles of beach, which is kind of a rarity.
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Do you think the- Right... lake levels are down? I don't know. No, I don't think they're really do- maybe, maybe slightly. But, um, this is j- right south of the shipping channel i- at Sturgeon Bay there.
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And the road where the houses are is between the houses and the lake for, like, four miles, and I was able to s- you know, visually verify that you can ride that sand.
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And then I think it goes another maybe two to three miles past that, where the road then is on the other side of the houses. So, um, I w- it's two-hour drive from here.
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I think I'll make an overnight of it one of these days in the not too distant future just to scope it out. I miss sand. I miss beach- Yeah, well, uh-... beach riding. I'm- Yeah...
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I mean, honestly, beach riding is, is, uh, you know, to be truthful, is the reason, the only reason why I originally invested in a fat bike because I thought- [laughs]...
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you know, hey, I've been riding my neighborhood mountain bike trails in the winter with just my, you know, studded Nokians because they get packed down so hard. Why do I need a fat bike?
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But when I saw all the fun that, uh, you guys were having real, in these early days on those beach rides, I was like, all right, that's a reason to get a fat bike.
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[laughs] Um, and, uh, and it, it was one of my funnest things to do was to do those beach rides. But then, of course, the lake levels rose and, and we stopped being able to do them, in Milwaukee anyway. Yeah, true that.
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So I think, uh, hopefully we're in a s- a down, you know, a, a draining cycle of [laughs] where the, where the lake... This is one of those things where climate change might be our friend. I don't know.
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[laughs] Little less rain, little- Yeah, well, you never-... a little more evaporation... you never know. I mean, right, you never know. Climate change, like, yeah, short-term it's like your friend or it's your enemy.
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It all sort of depends on what you're looking for, big piles of snow or, you know, warm periods. It's hard to say.
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Um, I mean, hey, I, I'm, obviously, I'm not a proponent of let's embrace climate change, but, uh, [laughs] but- Right...
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a- as long as we're trying to do what we can to mitigate it, um, let's, let's embrace the, the rare benefits that we get from it when we actually get one. Copy that. Uh, what are, what are...
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Trails, I assume, are closed up there, are they not? Yeah so, so it's kinda weird up here. We have, you know, CAMBA, because we have so many miles of trail, we stretch between multiple counties.
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And so Sawyer County has kinda like this official written in the books ordinance that trails are to be closed from April 1st through May 15th.
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And Bayfield County, where our Ashwaubomay trails are and some of our northern, you know, trails are, is down by Namakagon and that sort of stuff, are as well, and Cable do not have that rule in Bayfield County.
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But [coughs] they, they tend to, like, close the trails around the same time anyway, the county does officially, and that means not just us, the ATV and mountain bike, or ATV and snowmobile trails as well for the same reason, the freeze-thaw cycle.
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That said, you know, Ashwaubomay is a microclimate, so up by Bayfield, you know, things are way drier than they are here already. So I...
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This might be one of the earliest years, in Bayfield County, because they don't have that ordinance, it's fairly easy for them to reopen the trails.
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All the, all our trail stewards have to do is, like, talk to Bayfield County Forestry and say, "Hey, our trails are dry here at Mount Ashwaubomay. Um, we wanna open up." And they essentially generally agree to that.
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So it could be very soon that the Ashwaubomay trails open up, and if the warm, dry spell continues, it could be very soon that the trails by us open up as well.
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I saw your stuff looks like a lot of people are riding down by you already. Well, I d- yeah, I haven't really paid much attention, honestly.
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We've been doing more urban riding just because of the, I, you know, it's driving out to trails is still one of those things I'm trying to avoid, at least temporarily.
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Uh- I, I think, I think the Metro, uh, number, the, the Tosa Trails and the... I think I even saw, uh, Rosta with a ride on Meneka yesterday or something. Oh, sounds good.
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So I, I think those trails by you are, are, are opening up already, so that's great for folks that live down south by you. Yeah, for sure. So, uh, are the Ashwaubomay trails up that way more sandy than what's by you?
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Yes. Yes, absolutely. Mm. I mean, we do have some sections of trails that are sandy and stuff, but our trails are very forested, so the, the, the southern Cambu trails are, are, so much of them are really in the woods.
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And, you know, once you compact that snow, even just with fat bikes and stuff like that or, um, even the tread on uncompacted snow on the old mountain bike tread, is, is slower to thaw than the rest of the forest is.
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So those trails dry out slower, and the freeze-thaw cycle and stuff is a problem. But, you know, we monitored it really well, so w- we should hopefully be able to announce very quickly when, when trails are open up here.
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The, the cool thing up here, though, is, and I, you know, I know I've...
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Uh, we had somebody stop in the office today who's like, "You know, I know I can ride the gravel, but I'm really a mountain biker and I just love riding the trails."
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And I get that, but boy, the gravel up here is just so much fun. [laughs] And my... I, I love it. I like it as much as I like the mountain bike trails.
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And, and a lot of it passes by old CCC camps and stuff like that, so I, I always put POIs on AMI, you know, maps and stuff like that for, like, oh, you know, stop at this corner and look at some old remnants of a CCC camp or whatever it is, a pine stump corner or something.
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There's all kinds of weird little things to, to do in the Northwoods.
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One of my favorites, you guys, you gotta come up with me and, and do this, um, and this could be something that's done in the summertime too, that I haven't done yet, um, but I'm, it's a favorite in my bucket list, is, uh, there's a bar up by Moquah called, uh, the, um, it's called the, uh, Plywood Palace.
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[laughs] And the entire bar and, like, everything, everything is built from plywood, from the walls to the bar to the floor. Yeah? It, it's 100% plywood.
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It- It, it's the ultimate dive bar, and what I like about it most is there's a Viking wall, wall of shame on one of the walls.
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[laughs] So, uh, Plywood Palace, and it's, it's on a bunch of really great, you know, sandy, uh, uh, forest roads up in the, the Moquah Barrens area, so great fat bike riding all year round.
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Um, so you guys gotta come up and we gotta hit the, hit the Plywood Palace for a- Plywood, plywood works for Franklin, right, man [laughs] I see a picture of it. It's, uh, there's a...
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They do have a Facebook, uh, page, the Plywood Palace. [laughs] Yeah.
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It's kind of a limited Facebook page, but, um, but yeah, uh, I think it's, the Facebook page was mostly created by, by more tech savvy people that have visited the Plywood Palace than, than the [laughs] actual owner.
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Um, I've not yet been to it. I've, I've ridden by it, but it wasn't open when I was riding by it at the time, so I'm sort of... It's on, on my top 10 bucket list for, for the spring to, like, try to hit that place.
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So it, where is, uh, Moquah? Is that in relation to, uh- It's nor- it's north of us, and it's, it's kinda straight west of, um, of Ashland or Washburn in the Bayfield Peninsula.
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And the, the, the sand, the, the terrain in the Bayfield Peninsula is significantly more sandy than it is by us down here by Cable and, and Hayward and Seely. So
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for instance, one of the events I've been thinking about putting together is a fat bike race during warm weather. And- This is a very good idea...
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so I could put together a one hund- a 100-mile fat bike race on sand roads in the Bayfield Peninsula- Oh, that's like-... where it was like a loop... like, uh, a fat- And so, like-...
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a fat bike would be almost mandatory? Right. Like, I've ridden, I've ridden those roads on, like, 42s or even my 29er, and it's just... You know, I...
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First of all, there's sections where you just, if it's dry, you, you just, you're walking for sure So it would be a place where you could do a warm weather fat bike race where...
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I mean, I know people race fat bikes in every freaking race there is, uh, other than like, you know, the Tour de France or something. Right. [laughs] And, and- Yeah...
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but, you know, there's a reason why people don't race them in the Tour de France, because the skinnier tires are just darn faster.
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But, um, but this would be a situation where if you don't ride a fat bike, you'd be significantly penalized.
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So it'd be a rare instance where you could have a warm weather fat bike race where fat bikes really have a huge advantage over even plus bikes. And I looked around and I haven't-- I was surprised.
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I thought there'd be something like this already somewhere like in, you know, Santa Fe or somewhere out s- desert Southwest, but I haven't found anything. Yeah, it's kind of funny.
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I mean, in places where you would expect fat bikes to be more popular, they, uh, they really aren't.
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Like, Las Vegas area is very sandy in some spots, and you, you-- the only fat bike I ever see out there is Marcus's, and he got it from us here [laughs] in Wisconsin. I- So, you know, it's like- Right.
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I, I think it gets back to that original reason why I bought a fat bike, and that is if, if you're down there, you're like, "Well, I don't need a fat bike because we don't have winter."
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And I was like, "Well, I don't need a fat bike in winter because my trails are hard enough that I can ride them with my regular mountain bike."
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But when I saw the second season use, the, the beach riding and stuff, I was like, "Ah, now it's like it's-- there's two bonuses to getting this," plus the actual grin factor that we all know about fat bikes. Right.
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But, uh, so I think maybe down the desert Southwest they're like, "Well, honestly, we don't really need one 'cause our mountain bikes or plus bikes are good enough for- Yeah... 95% of the year."
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And, you know- "So why should we get one?" I, I think a lot of people are into gravity riding, too, so those, those courses are more designed around, you know, going down a hill, um, at least- Right...
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to, to some extent. But so, I don't know. I think, I think it'd be kind of a cool event and kind of a unique event to have, you know, a, a significant length, an epic length sort of fat bike race on really sandy soil.
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And, and it's very pretty. You know, the... And there's, there's-- you know, it'd be an adventure because there's nothing. Like, if you break down or if, you know, I mean, there's no place to stop and get...
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You know, there's no bars, restaurants, taverns. You know, uh, you get into the middle of the Bayfield Peninsula and it's just, you know, it's just forest. You know, or, or, you know, pine barrens.
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Um, it's a former, you know, underwater... That's why it's all sand, 'cause it used-- in the, you know, whatever, Pleistocene age or whatever.
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I don't know my ages that well, but you know, it was like the floor of the sea at some time. Um, so it's all sand. Uh-
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What about, uh, what about- But, uh, yeah, I thought that'd be kind of a- What about putting together a series with maybe there's that, uh, the, the golf course where they do one of the huge-ass races that's all sand in the central Wisconsin.
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That could be a- I, that, you know, I love that, that place too. That's the same deal, and, and they have real topography as well and, um, that, uh, Sand Valley. Sand Valley. That's it.
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Sand Valley, they're, they're owned by a-- yeah, they're owned by kind of a cool, uh, a cool company that's like, although they're golf course owners, you know, they're sort of like environmentally-minded and, and, you know, stuff like that.
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So, um, and they actually do have rent fat bikes there already. They have a fleet of fat bikes that you can rent if you stay at their hotel or something like that.
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And they have a course, a permanent, you know, trail around their property that's really cool. That said, you know, once warm weather hits, they make all their money on golf. So- Sure...
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it's sort of hard for them to like put any-- It's sort of like the trails out by, uh, out by, um, uh, Alpine Valley.
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A lot of those would be really cool if they were groomed in the wintertime, but they make all their money on skiing in the wintertime [laughs], so- Right... they're not pushing people to ride fat bikes in the winter.
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You know, those are summer trails. And the opposite is true at Sand Valley, where, you know, in the summertime, they're like, "Yeah, we make so much money on golf, we're not even thinking about bikes."
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The, the bikes are sort of like this, you know, added value. Yeah. That makes sense. Right on. Um- But, you know, as I was saying, um, our gravel up here is, is really great, and it's just endless amounts of it.
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We have-- CAMBA does publish a gravel map, and you can download the GPX tracks if you wanna use your device for that and-- or, you know, just get the, the map and, and ride around and, and explore. But honestly,
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get one of those maps and then just do your own thing. And when you see a road that isn't listed, and there are lots of them, uh, just turn down it [laughs] Yeah. All you gotta do is backtrack.
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All you gotta do is backtrack. If you're like, "Oh, that didn't work out," you turn around and you go the other-- g- go back to where you started from. I, I do that all the time up here.
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I, I'm constantly running into, "Oh, there is a little, you know, logging road I never saw before. I'm just gonna turn down that and see where it goes." What do they call it? Davement? Yeah, Davement. I like that.
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[laughs] Yeah. [laughs] Um, y- we-- when, when I talked to you earlier in the week on the phone, we briefly chatted about your, your pending, uh, potential down the road, uh, bed and breakfast situation.
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You wanna talk about that a little bit? Yeah. Well, not bed and breakfast. It's, it's just gonna be- Or not bed and breakfast... Airbnb units. So we're not like- Airbnb. That's what I meant...
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we're not one of those, "You know, we wanna meet you and spend a lot of time with you."
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Not like we don't wanna meet you or spend any time with you, but if you wanna be on your own, you don't have to like eat breakfast in our kitchen. So we do have a- A rental unit above our, our heated, one of our garages.
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We have multiple garages here, and one of them is heated, and it has a rental unit, a two bedroom. Very nice. Um, very straightforward. Uh, you know, cute.
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It's got a balcon- two balconies and a screened-in porch, and, uh, it's pet friendly, and, uh, uh, you know, we've got trails that you can access right... You know, literally go through our backyard. Um- [laughs]...
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and, uh, so it's ideal for skiers or mountain bikers or just people who wanna get out in the middle of nowhere and, and just be somewhere.
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We're also right next to the Namakagon River, and we've got, you know, kayaks and canoes and stuff like that people can use. So, um, and I'm...
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Currently, a buddy of mine, um, who is, uh, got a cabin in Gordon, he got rid of his rent-controlled apartment in New York, uh, when he quit.
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He's a photo editor, but left New York when the whole pandemic thing went insane and no one should be in New York. [laughs] Um, and he was working from his cottage.
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He's been working from his cottage in Gordon, but it's not wea- winter proof. So come winter he needed a place to stay, didn't wanna go back to New York, and, uh, and rented my place, um, just for the winter.
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But as of next week Friday, it will be open. He's moving back to his cottage in Gordon, so it'll be, it'll be open.
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It won't be on Airbnb until probably June, because we gotta get it approved by the state and stuff like that. There's some hoops we gotta jump through. But anybody- Mm-hmm... that, um, is looking for a quick- Access...
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getaway and, and wants to- Mm... like, um, come stay up in beautiful Hollywood Hills of Seely, Wisconsin, uh, y- you can ping me and, and let me know. Right on. Uh- It'll be out. It'll be out and it'll be open.
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It's, uh- Are we at the top of the hill? Well, yeah, we're at the top of the hill. We're at the top of the hill. We're almost, we're almost at the end of the ride already, but we might as well hit the top of the hill.
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[laughs] It was a long climb. That was... Yeah. It was a... Al- c- Yeah, it's gonna take like 30 seconds to get to the bottom of this puppy. It's a steep hill.
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[laughs] Um, Tony Burger brought us, uh, Central Waters HHG Pale Ale today. Named after the very popular Wisconsin men, horseshoes, and hand grenades. [laughs] It's a fantastic beer. All right.
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Ever since the first time I had it, I'm like, I don't really like bluegrass, but I like this beer a lot. Yeah, I like bluegrass a lot. And I love this, I love this brewery, and I'll support this band just because. Yeah.
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Yeah. I do like bluegrass. And what, what kinda... I like Central Waters generally. What kind of beer is it? Pale. Yeah, it's a mosaic and citra hopsy- A pale ale... kind of a thing. Very drinkable. All right.
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Super easy to drink. Yeah. It's a little bit on the lower, uh, alcohol-sy side, 5.3%. It's an American pale ale, not an- Well-... Indian pale ale... and beautiful. And it's from Wisconsin...
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that's what you're all, that's what you're all, that's what you're all drinking? Well, JK's on the wagon this week. He is. He's got the IPNA- The IPNA... from Las Granitas. Uh, yeah.
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[laughs] We had that last week too with, uh- Yeah, it's a-... Teacher Trusky here, and it's pretty tasty... it actually... Yeah. Yeah. It actually tastes like a beer. I- Yeah...
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I've had a couple in the past- They are, they are remarkably good... past week that are like, "Oh, now I know why I don't drink NA beer, man. Ugh." [laughs] I- I'm sitting on a 12 pack of the- Ah... Coors version. Oof.
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[laughs] Coors Edge. Oh, no. No. I saw there's a thing of Pabst- Oh... and I'm tempted just to- The Pabst NA is not bad... I gotta... Just to see what it's like. But this, this actually is not... This is drinkable.
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That's very drinkable. Yeah. So yay. [laughs] Well, I, um, I, I've, I've, like, sort of
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coveted and bogarted, uh, a few, uh, beers from my neighborhood, my old neighborhood brewery on, uh, the Washington Heights, uh, Venture Brew.
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Um, and I am, I, in honor of your call to Milwaukee tonight, I, I popped one of those open. So I am- Ah... drinking a Dan- There you go... Smoove's, Dan Smoove's.
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It's, uh, El Dorado and Crystal and Citra hopped, uh, sour. Mm. Mm. So it's, uh, it's a tall boy. It's... But it's a pretty drinkable sour, you know? It's not like one of those, like, pucker up your face.
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It's, it's like a hoppy, slightly sour, um, slightly sour beer. So- We had a, uh- That's what I have... we had a sour-ish type IPA last week from Eagle Park.
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And you could get through- And generally like Eagle Park beers. How, how was it? It was... Yeah. It, it started off well. It did not finish well. Oh, you're the one that Dan was... Dan sent me a text.
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He said, "I, I, I hear you didn't like the beer." [laughs] I go, "I don't think I said I didn't-" Sorry, Dan. Yeah. Sorry, Dan. Our buddy- I love you still, and I owe you a beer at Black Husky next time.
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Our buddy Dan dropped off a, a four-pack last week when he picked up a... He picked up one of the new eight... Well, I don't know if it's new. The Wolftooth 8Bit tool that has all the little- Ooh, that's pretty cool...
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all the little bits in it. Yeah. He brought a four-pack of that- Seen it... whatever that beer is. And, uh, and then he texted me and said, "I heard you didn't like my beer."
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I'm like, "No, I don't think I said I didn't like it." It was- [laughs]... it was Tony. [laughs] It was me, Dan. I'm certain it was me, and I owe you a beer at Black Husky, which doesn't have a sour. Yeah.
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Uh, so speaking of good beer though, um, I, uh...
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Last weekend, there's a bar down in Stone Lake, uh, owned by a guy, Ian Finch, and his wife, who were former Campbell board members and big mountain bikers, stuff like that. Um, it's called the Whistle Punk Cafe.
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And, uh, Whistle Punk was, in a logging camp, it was the guy that ran the little gasoline motor that powered the, uh, the drag line that pulled the logs up and down- Ugh...
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the hill, you know, out to the river and stuff like that. That guy was the whistle punk. So the Whistle Punk, uh, Cafe is... He's a, uh... God, what do you call those guys? That they're the sommeliers of beer. Uh-
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Beer baron? An alcoholic? There's like not many of them in the country. [laughs] No. [laughs] No. It, it- No, you, you gotta take all the, all these classes and stuff like that.
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I can't, I can't remember what they're called. I'll, I'll think of it. But, um, so he's, he's certified, you know, this sort of certified beer expert, which is kinda rare for, for up here.
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It's rare for anywhere, but it's really rare for up here. Um, and, uh, he had an Orville opening day. Uh, Orville's a, a real high-end, uh, Trappist beer, Belgian beer.
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Um, so he had a Orville, Orville day, and, uh, and we went down for... Orville and meatloaf. Orville, meatloaf, and mashed potatoes. Oh. So I don't know how you can say no to that. I don't know.
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Yeah, that sounds right, right, and more right. A Cicerone. Cicerone. That's what they're called. Oh. Cicerone. I would, I would never have got that in a million years. I got a link to The Whistle Punk- Yeah...
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in the show notes, too, if anybody wants to check it out. Drink in the spring on the patio. Oh, yeah. It's an awesome place. Awesome place. Yeah. They, they're gonna reopen.
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They're, they're very conscientious about, you know, the whole pandemic and stuff like that, so they've been closed indoors for a long time, which is a shame.
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Really great coffee as well, and, uh, but their, uh, their patio's been open on weekends and stuff. So I think last weekend, I don't remember what their specialty beer was, but, but they had, uh, BLTs last weekend.
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Um, and the weekend before was the Orville day with meatloaf. And man, that, those Belgian Trappist guys, those Belgian monks kinda know what they're doing, don't they? Mm-hmm. I guess so. They sure do.
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They've also got, uh, flannel merch, just like our friends at Black Husky across the street. Nice. Nice. [laughs] I, I, I believe if you wear your flannel into Black Husky, you get some sort of discount.
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You know, I went- Well, then I should get a discount every time I go, 'cause I wear flannel every day. [laughs] I don't know if it's- Yeah... it's your flannel. I think it might be their- I think it's be their flannel...
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I think it might be their flannel. [laughs] Oh, their flannel. Oh. [laughs] 'Cause, like, I wear so much flannel, I swear my, my belly button is plaid. I've been wearing my, uh, uh, Kitsbow quite a bit lately.
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I love that shirt. We, we- I, I've got actually three of them, but there's one that I like more than the others. Um,
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it's the original fit that they had, and then they came out with one that I thought, "Well, I'm one of those little bit not quite huskier guys," but they had a different cut, so I got that shirt.
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And I'm like, "Well, I d- Oh... I, it, it's, it's a very similar fit, but it's a little shorter, and I like the longer version, the older, the original- Ah... their original cut. Yeah. You know, so they've...
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I actually, and like you, I've got a, a few of them, even though they're stupid expensive. I... And the reason why I got- Well, they'll last, they'll, they'll last forever. Come on. [laughs] Right. They will.
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But the reason why I got the last one was because of that, that, that they'd changed and they got that relaxed fit. And I like wearing it over the top of a hoodie, so I can like, you know...
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I wear the hoodie all the time, and then, like, I throw the flannel on as, like, the extra layer. And the other ones were a little snug on me when I got the mediums to, to try to layer- Gotcha...
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over top of something else. So I got, I got one of the relaxed fit ones and, and that works great.
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The only thing I'd warn listeners if they're gonna, uh, pony up for one of these made in America, Pendleton wool, incredibly well-constructed, great, the best fitting flannel shirt you've ever worn, um, but $220, the, the only thing I'd warn people is the last one I bought took 12 weeks to get because they've switched, they've, uh, onshored all their production for that shirt.
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Hmm. And it's a very complicated shirt to make, I guess. So, but they're having trouble. They have, like, different levels of seamstresses sewing their stuff out in North Carolina where they are right now.
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And, uh, and, you know, they're trying to bring their people up, their skill levels up to be able to sew these fancy shirts. Right. Yeah. And it's taking a little bit longer.
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There's some, there's some pretty cool features to them. I... They were also making, uh, just a crap load of, uh, PPP stuff for the COVID pandemic.
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They were doing that too, so that, that used up a bunch of their time as well. But, like, I, I emailed them a couple times 'cause I'm like, "What the heck? Normally I get my shirts-" [laughs] "...
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in like, you know, three days. What's going on here?" And they're like, "Well, since we moved our production from Asia to US, we're short-handed, and, and this is the most difficult product we make." Right.
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So- And, and-... um, it's taking the longest. So take your time... you know, to be fair, they've always made this shirt in the US, I think. It was some of the other stuff, but now they're making everything here, right?
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I don't think so. I don't think so. Hmm. I don't think this one... I, I don't know. But whatever. It's, I'm just warning folks. Yeah.
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Don't go out and order one and think you're gonna get it for the shoulder season, 'cause you're not gonna get it for 12 weeks. Well, what I... Here's something I would, would add too.
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Um, even if it takes 12 weeks, if you're concerned about sizing, they're super easy to work with to do returns. Um, they're more than- Yeah, absolutely. Yeah... more than willing to say, you know, "Try this one."
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Um, like with... I think with the original fit, I, I like the XL, and with the new relaxed fit, I actually like the large. So sizing is a little, is a little different, uh, between the cuts. But- It is...
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y- you know, order, order two of them- And the other thing that I-... and send the one back that, you know, whatever, you know?
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That would be the best way because if you order one and think, "I'm just gonna exchange it," and that takes another 12 weeks- [laughs]... to get the next one. [laughs] Right. Right.
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You're in, you're in a whole 'nother s- you're in a whole 'nother season. But they will definitely take the returns very easily.
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The other thing that I'll note about them, and I don't know when the last time you, you bought one of their, um, shirts, Greg, is, um, my early ones shrunk more than the one I just bought.
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The one I just bought- Hmm You know, and you don't wash these things very often, but, um- I'd say like twi-... I'll put them in dryer very much, but-... twice or three times a season.
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They really don't, uh, you don't have to wash them that often. W- right, you don't. But I did m- you know, I've had them for a couple of years now, my early ones, and they have shrunk.
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And I, I, so I ordered a, I normally wear a medium, and I ordered a large, a relaxed fit the last time, and it was, it was pretty big on me. [laughs] So I'm like, "Oh, no problem.
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I'll just put it in the dryer and shrink it." And I put it in the dryer, and it didn't shrink. Ugh.
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So I think maybe since they've on-shored their, their, um, production, maybe the quality of the wool that they're using or something is higher, but- This is a better, better quality wool for sure...
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yeah, maybe they shrink less. Um, or maybe they do some other technique to the wool to pre-shrink it before they sell it, you know. But so- Or maybe it's all not wool. It's wool.
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Maybe it's all not wool, and in China it may not have been. It, it's all Pendleton. Yeah, it's all, it's all, it's got a Pendleton tag on it. Yeah. It's all wool. Nice. Um, but, uh,
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but maybe they're doing a little bit more... A- anyway, the quality's amazing. The look is really good. The fit is definitely the best.
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You know, uh, y- and I've had Pendletons forever, and I know you can go into any thrift store and find a Pendleton for 25 or $30. Um, but these have snaps.
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They've got the, you know, the shoulder, uh, you know, um, soft shell on the elbows and shoulders. They've got the pleated back, so the reach, you never feel that stretch on your shoulders. Right. Articulated.
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They honestly are probably worth the money, and they're made in the, all made in the US- Yeah... which Pendletons are not- Yeah... necessarily. They are. The wool is, but not the, they're not sewing it, so. But spendy.
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Right on. All right, Dave, well, uh, thanks for helping us, uh- Okay, guys... do another show here in the old, uh, Full Spectrum Cycling universe. Um,
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we're gonna- With that, well, I, I, once again, I put out the, the offer to you guys in, uh, the Full Spectrum shop or, uh, any of your listeners. You know, just ping me at daves@cambiatrails.org if you're- Sure thing...
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looking for a getaway, and, uh, come on up, and I got a pretty darn kick-ass place to stay. Right on, dude. Right on. Hope to see you soon. Yeah. Me too, boys. All right. Have a great night. Later, bud. Next, next time.
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Good night. Okay. Night. Well, that was C- There you go... Sealy Dave. Sealy Dave. Sealy Dave's a- But he's Dave S for the email. He's not S Dave. Dave S @- He should be-... cambatrails.org or whatever the-...
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in the streets... site. Maybe he should be in the streets. Uh, I w- I was gonna go up there this weekend, coming up here tomorrow or today or whatever it was. Yeah. But, uh, I forgot about Easter. [laughs] That happens.
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I would get yelled at. I forgot about Easter too. I think I'll get yelled at if I'm not home for Easter. [laughs] So, uh, maybe next weekend or the weekend after because I, I- You know, I found out- I gotta-...
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just, I have to interrupt, that Jesus died for someone's sins, but not mine. [laughs] That is true. Uh, I just, I, after last weekend in Door County and being able to relax and not do almost anything- Me too...
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I gotta, I'm gonna have to do that way more often. That was- I kept the shop open for you. Oh, thanks... mainly to give out beer and, [laughs] and work on bikes, but so.
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[laughs] Sold a chain or something and- I sold a chain. I looked at a couple of bikes and- There you go. But, you know. Well, that's what the shop is for. You know. Hanging out in and drinking beer. Yeah. Yes. You know.
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And b- and because, you know, the color of chocolate is the color of the cross, so that's why you get the chocolate- Cross... chocolate crosses on Easter, don't you? Or wait, no, it's not.
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I, I hope I get a chocolate cross this Easter. [laughs] Chocolate crosses rule. Yeah. All right, everybody, next week- Hoppy Easter. Yeah. Have a hoppy Easter. [laughs] Oh, oh, oh, what did I do there?
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[laughs] Oh, God, we gotta go. Oh.
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