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Construcción Plural - Programa 1116 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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to it on radio train topic. For example. You know how much it
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' s worth a kilo of meat. I' ll do your shopping today.
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I don' t know everything. You know how much a minimum ticket
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is worth. You don' t know how much minimum retirement is. Don
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' t wear it You know that. I' m not telling you to
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see. You don' t know because you' re in the big lines
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or because you' re not, because I look at the numbers added.
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Yeah, so, how did the numbers get clear me, then I look
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at aggregate terms. So I don' t look at the particular small numbers,
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that is, because that' s already where you have the sensitivity of
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the people, also my friends or good afternoon, how they go monetary addition
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thousand and good in the sum, money in circulation and the living balance of
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the liabilities, of greater liquidity of the financial institutions. It says Wikipedia and
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Law is in the big, of course, it is not in the small,
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it is not discouraged, it is dehumanized and yes, yes, well
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we have to make this note of Chichi is the luque we are going to
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spend with Juan for several Wednesdays. It totally reflects it around here we'
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re starting, averaging the week here in plural construction, with the news of
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the day. You' ll see him at the stage of all the papers
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tomorrow. If it closes, so almost at four o' clock on the
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cake, closing a mark to change, I had to come under the four
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difficult three nine ninety, under the thousand pesos, arrived to me. I
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' m not talking about notifications, I' m talking about notifications, sites,
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news, and so on I' m coming to you with these new
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news from Whatsapp and I had the same thing on Telegram. Plus everything that
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you have notification in a media in your cellu makes you sick of this journalistic
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passion. So, well I got it also today, a couple of hours
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ago infinitys, announcements of what was seen ger a blue under the northes one
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thousand three, being in nine ninety hour one counted with the lichen which is
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the only one that is kept at one thousand twelve and one why, because
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the ME is also down by nine seventy- eight, this one that falls
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almost four percent. He counted on lifica a little more, the three and
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the Blucae. Together we' ll talk to Don Carlos Fara in a little
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while. When you connect your way to jum, we' re going to
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talk to Gustavo Correr and Wolfson, our Argentine correspondent in North America, in
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the second major. Today López Obrador said. They asked him about the Argentine
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President. López Obrador said that the stateless market is like leaving the Gasno fox
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has a direct tradition. So from Mexico, our friend Gustavo Ferrari, all
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singer today the Rare President. It' s not that it would be good
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video on Instagram account, because I watched private school for public ocation, talked
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again about taxes on something imposed that' s a thousand laws, not madness
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is total. He said this is another statement, but he said abortion is
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murder. He' s recorded by the link, and I can prove this.
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That is why I say that madness is total if I can be against
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abortion, which has an honest suggestion of aggravated by the link of the world.
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It is already an almost messianic, mechanic subject, almost as I say
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today in this private school where he studied in copelo, so in victa de
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voto it was not a public school. Weird, everything is bet on the
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private, the state. There is no need to think about it, to
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optimize it with all the utopian that idealistic sounds this, because the truth that
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in the State conquered as it is militancy and so on, is difficult,
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but from there let' s say eradicate it. No one says that there
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is no hand cut off any leg, but from there eradicate it, kill
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it directly, well, beyond what one can agree on the subject of fabric
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we discuss it, but eradicate everything that the state can. The President also
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said so today. Taxes are a remembrance of slavery. It' s not
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the first time you' ve said it, but it' s the tax
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that' s something. Tax, it' s a remora of slavery.
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The taxes that are wasted, are not used as they correspond in many cases,
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in some ways it is stolen. Part of the diligence is the political
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class. What my read in calling the caste. Well, that brings everyone
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back and, above all, suits them, makes them more. The State
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is the ideal to the humblest, to the one who passes preparer, but
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goes to public education, not to the one who is forgiveness, who goes
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not to prove, but to the one who goes to the hospital, not
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the one who sends the student to the school private payment, as one can
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be, but goes to the public school. And so well, if we
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take out I' m saying we don' t take off the taxes that
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remain for the humbler even with the misuse that have been political, that have
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been stolen and who says that what they are now are not stealing or they
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are not going to steal or steal usefully with white glove, benefiting the big
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economic sectors in the middle of the beautiful diligence. We' re entertaining flight
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the bulldozer. We found out that Macita. Sergio Vasa, the Minister of
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the Economy, will charge, and he is almost lost, for example,
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quite loose with a mile by more than ten points. It will collect Fortune
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working for a Greylock Capital Management vulture fund, c is called this and good.
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While Argentina continues to allow tax benefits and economic companies, free market knowledge
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down that earn very good money, Tuna there is a special internal fire regime
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where it is put into the Caputo family that caputo, yes that of the
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Minister of Economy, the macrista Caputo and mileista good, because that is when
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one talks about where the funds should surround, or the girl or adjustment or
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achieve to overcome and of such thing or to give another good of the coming
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irbern, of humping the worker and that already in its last times to humper
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the retiree. This one is not taken for granted that all families help their
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grandmothers, their mother, father, grandmothers and I said my video. Desterram
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that my law plays with the culture of not that of plundering not that of
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effort, but that of sacrifice, which carries this which we saw now.
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Not that it' s going that what Tatoor said is the neicio that put
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us playing, not sacrificing so that everything raises the same thing. This one
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repeats itself. It' s not the first time now that we don'
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t sacrifice. First, we' re coming to the crucifice, not that
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we' re here to throw butter on the roof, as they said.
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Well, now the adjustment' s here. Secondly, that adjustment is totally
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savage of your human, beyond the fact that you have undertaken those with treatments
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of the State. There is no doubt about that, that the politicians gave
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them the Mila court and let it be life, that it was necessary to
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make a change of course for the only change of course is this. All
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governments look at the net, assume Bulrich assume the mass cane and it'
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s going to be very complicated. It' s a complicated road. Now,
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the way was this. I don' t know. That' s
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a bit of what we have to ask ourselves. Well, let' s
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open the interview series then. Let' s talk about how I promised Carlos
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Fara Carlos memigo good afternoon, how' s it going, how' s
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it going? Good afternoon, fermo, well, how' s New York?
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It looks like he' s staying there. He asked for American citizenship
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and stays there. Not a little love with a month and a half two.
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We were already in the third month. He says he stays there for
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a life he makes some. I don' t know. Excuse me,
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no tea. I' m just finishing up listening well to see now,
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yes, you listen to me. Come on now, now I hear you
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better, sorry well, how it comes in New York, because they say
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it was a memes and a half two and in the end it appears that
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it stays all year. How these aquatic years come. In the end we
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will complete a quarter until the end of the month and the first of April
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we are back in Buenos Aires. It' s already confirmed more that there
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is passage and all yes, yes. The passage is at least coming to
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see us before we get a little into the political debate and others loved you
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without analyzing it or critically, but I say what happens to Argentina. We
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go from extremes to where there is excess and excessive political correctness. It was
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ruled in some ways for minorities, without arguing, I say an excess of
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thinking lesbian rule by putting only one example in women in some cases, and
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I am not even without making judgments of value that we now pass to the
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other, where political incorrection is what commands, where a spokesman says this farewell
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cloth that passes the one that does turn in the style, even if we
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suppose that we are right, that we should close fabric. There were seven
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hundred types of which half, twenty, thirty are bores, honest, are
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families. Today, in Milagio my law is being beaten because in this school
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act that I said in private school that the voting player passed out two boys,
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one of him when he passed out or for the first and second of
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May vila and instead of the little bit of good co because I was talking
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about left. He just said well, it' s about the left and
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he faints. He doesn' t talk about communism and faints because he earned
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him some sticks, obviously from political rule, which he doesn' t want
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or want. But I say we pass this from one end to the other,
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that humanism was overreacted still stealing still wasting the plant of the State and
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now it is chainsaw and crudeness. That' s what it imposes. Now
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this can sit down. It is a time climate that will dissipate in a
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short time. As you see it say, almost sociologically it wants to be
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called that look. First, the reflection you' re doing is very interesting.
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I think the extremes obviously touch each other. I' m not saying
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we go from one end to the other. It' s not that we
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are, let' s say this I would tell you is more that it
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has to do with a question in contemporary politics, an attitude issue than with
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a more ideological question. Of course, of or there are ideological expressions on
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either side, but what ends up generating, let' s say, is
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precisely that, at least in the expression of political terms. I am a
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participant and we have eighted it more than one opportunity that in society has no
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desire to accompany, extremes that it accompanies, and extremes because it does not
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fit another. Not because I really feel like forgiveness. I remember it'
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s not to give them away. Charles tells me no. I think he
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' s going to slow down and throw it downtown. No. I don
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' t think people tend to balance. I don' t think I voted
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for a name myla and president and that if the governors passed. I don
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' t think he' ll name a president people choose, a president who
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knows he has little political power because he' s unstable. It happened,
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he has three cats in deputy and fewer senators yet and he doesn' t
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have a governor. I mean, society can be dystopian, it wants to
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see that way not the vote. Yeah, totally. What happens is that
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you saw that these are the result of previous processes. As I would say
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visually, we usually see a thesis and antithesis process. Let' s hope
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at some point we go into synthesis. And it seems to me that,
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from that point of view, good society. In a state of despair.
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Societies sometimes support things that they don' t fully agree with, but that
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work out for them. But how good it turns out, let' s
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say I' d say as the answer to an earlier process. So,
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from that point of view, what I would put on the interpretation of social
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demand would take it cautiously, I would take it with more pizzas, because
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it' s clear that nobody likes to say goodbye to crazy fools from an
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organization, from a state enterprise. Let' s say in this case how
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it was fabric that played a role, a clul because in fact let'
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s say they' re going to close it. It' s not clear
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yet. It seems to me that for now, as if they suspended his
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activity, more than anything else, they go to the extremes and say well
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no, that is, he does not pose no with all the little mistakes
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he has. I put, we go to the extreme hotel in a web
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disaster and what no one is proposing Mexico, if it is half touch with
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that no, but to improve it to make it, optimize it, fire
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the ten percent, the twenty or suspend voluntary retivo is to eradicate what happens.
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It is that there is a political conception of the President that one does
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not know until the point of the envelope acts. I don' t think
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he overreacts her. It' s so much believed by the zero state.
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Let' s say and come back with those with which taxes are a remora
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of slavery and blah blah blah. I said the taxes that any ten-
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year- old boy knows they go to the misused, poorly executed, unoptimized,
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but they go to the poorest. There' s not a mauri a
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fara who doesn' t keep us in the public hospital or if they have
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a son, they don' t send him to public school. If they
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can send it private well, it' s like there' s no need
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to have imputosotives, it' s like an Antistate religion. Then it goes
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from the end to the other. There is a great deal of bad state
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to execute with bad executioners this would be sought to no longer exist. Let
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' s say yes, totally look I' m sorry. Let' s
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say this way. You saw that there are several details to keep in mind.
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The first is that if you' re really going to close something,
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you sent the lay- off rate, which up to here didn' t
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happen what happened was a week' s sub- division, but well they
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missed the place. Let' s say this first. Second, it was
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at an expected point that several of these things would happen, partly because of
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the showof that needs the demonstration that, indeed, a change is happening.
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No one is indifferent to the Government of my law. That' s absolutely
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the way it is. Shewop. But what you can call smoke, no,
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but everything does not machrism. Also seen so much, put a little
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smoke in the middle of the adjustment that you talk about, a little bit
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about that, less about inflation, etcetera, etcetera. Totally that from now
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on. But at this point particularly because my law is conceived is foundational of
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Argentina, with which there are things that we say I was going to overdo
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them in this way to generate, say to generate the impact also on the
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markets that, effectively, let' s say, believe it is that what
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is the size, let' s say the depth, the adjustment that it
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wants to make. And, on the other hand, because these contemporary political
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phenomena try to make no one indifferent. The Trump case, the Bonsonar case
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or the bul case et cetera. None of them bet. Let' s
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say a profound change, but in a moderate tone. No, the tone
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also has to be extreme. This is a detail of contemporary politics. It
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' s what society or everything because I say and I say again, without
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even making judgment of critical value. The net was the certainly moderate Bulry that
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broke. Bulrich Bulry won as a candidate after winning the pass against Mille,
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the mid- right intern won it. My lia, I mean, people
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always bet more extreme. I' m not saying that' s what you
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voted for. Yes, because two or three things happened here. First,
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the size of the crisis, so in all of that case let' s
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say it ends up being more credible or more attractive that someone with an iron
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hand has. Let' s say we change things. That, on the
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one hand, that' s the second question how and being a separate economist,
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not right or wrong, but he' s a bulrycy economist not the
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RMS. No, no, no, no. No. Obvious, ob
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obvious, no. But the other issue, let' s say, is
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also about the fact that, in the midst of a crisis, moderate responses
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tend to blur. Not because they are more the idea even let' s
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say in a dispassionate debate, but they tend to blur. That' s
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absolutely true. Let' s say with what is the issue of the iron
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hand, yes or yes, and then let' s say, obviously,
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what ends up also including is the need for this to mobilize. Let'
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s say opinions on one side to the other, regardless of the content.
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Well, see if I was or someone else you' re gonna come across
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a new acquaintance me, how you' re doing Milay' s government,
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and what you' d say, because I' m saying from scratch.
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This is not the first pro mark and this is like almost none fantastic.
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The lola, the not- a- hundred low, the rigo or pair
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is still a real dive. It' s also a short time. He
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' s voting with Argentina. We are waiting to see a little more,
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but the marked we gain five to zero in the political, in Parliament complicated
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the street by hour banking, I know what you would balance. Little less,
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Milay' s ten- three- month management is about to be completed.
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If you come across an Argentine who knows you on the street and asks
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you and we go the first thing I' d say is my stocine starts.
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Let' s say it' s being a strong fit because it needs,
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let' s say it' s noticed that, in fact, we
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say Argentina needs a big change and a little bit Carlos Mene style at the
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time, this is not my idea, a concept. Let' s say
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that Pablo Gabsunofe describes well in the book The Coin, in the air is
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faced with the doubts that exist about a certain process, they overact the reaction
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in this as nothing can be, let' s say moderate, as we
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said that the President has shown so far we will say little political professionalism for
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my taste and that, clearly let' s say he is making a very
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strong bet on a polarization of public opinion in Argentina with let' s say
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all the old that this brings because solutions let' s say to everyone.
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The first stage failed him, Amene failed me, Dualde failed him, he
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failed him. Let' s say this one with the Fonsín faol, let
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' s say this one to Macri and say why it won' t fail
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my law, with which we say to take it with tweezers, to be
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very cautious regarding the perspectives that Argentina has ahead and my law may have understood
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with all speed, not in functions. That' s why my law was
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chosen at the extremes with one again, without going into excitements, with a
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historic parro, the cget so fast, with pans that is, few that
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are in serious at ninety percent in tiquinerito, which I had voted to mass,
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but I hunt arms like never seen so fast. I also believe that
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no Argentine history, I say with everything so fast, with a government that
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happened in Congress, did not score. In Congress, he didn' t
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bring in a law. I mean he has to take go and he doesn
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' t see it almost as a historian and he says well what it looks
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good to him they didn' t hit it in the first neither Alfonsín,
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not least in the second stage. I don' t know You put turs,
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I mean, you got a second cartridge. With all this speeding up
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generating greater opposition in the structures and possibly more criticism in the social field,
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that is, in the street. There' s a place to be quiet
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in quotation marks and say good don' t stick it with the toto because
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it doesn' t under inflation. I' m good. In September there
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is a cabinet replacement and it has air again is so simple look. Obviously,
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it' s not simple here, let' s say there. The
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detail against my law is that it is the politically weakest government of eighty-
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three times. You can do it to say it nicely, you can do
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it bravely if you have power, otherwise you have to be careful of that
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part, not careful. It' s not clear good. That' s
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why. That is why I say, on the negative side, the negative
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side, on the positive side. The theme is to look at the depth
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of the crisis as the impression let' s say that we' ll probably
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say recive from public opinion a little more oxygen with all the pain in the
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world regarding let' s say well, let' s leave it long enough
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to see if they give it more or less the key and then we agree.
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Let' s say the business world, America, wants to help him
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and that' s not minor. In this situation it seems to me that
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on that side, it has a little oxygen. Yeah, now, how
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many times you can be wrong. Here' s the thing. Once you
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can make a mistake. We bank back, the stabilization program, half consulted,
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etcetera, etcetera. Twice is more complicated. It seems to me that,
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I say menem had two Ministers of Economy basically until the full solution arrived
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in the early nineties and one with convertibility. It seems to me that Changüi
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even for historical times and political weakness. Obviously this one I think Miley doesn
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' t have. Let' s talk about unprofessionalism. We talked about one
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off this topic of sending an omni one, not sending him the laws,
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as he asked them in the position. Well, we' re going back
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to the musc no starting point, I mean, and volple give a little
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bit of professionalism. He thinks he has the power. It' s been
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a long time, they' re putting them up against things. I am
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speaking, obviously, since last Friday' s address of the Opening Assembly Ordinary
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Sections apart from the President and as a good thing, he regained some control
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of the agenda before governors and so on. But it comes back more of
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the same. I mean, there' s a mistake again, there'
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s other unprofessional professions, or it takes the ones to win my law on
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this thing that I finally don' t know. I don' t know
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if long before the 25th deck we' ll know how the bet went.
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It' s the one he says he doesn' t believe in quotes after
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the scene that you say I don' t believe, but I offer them
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these, but growing up they won' t put me on the ball and
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that I' m going to keep going for mine and that I' m
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going to have to jump like a dog a two yes. Look at that.
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First let' s look at a detail so, for my taste is
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important in all of this. Beyond what Mia says, it seems to me
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that we must pay attention to the fact that my law falls to her.
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The law, but it gets it approved by the general and if it hadn
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' t, let' s say flavors and maybe say a little pride in
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the treatment, in the law in particular. There was already a first law
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in place. But I had a first, a first law, I don
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' t say, but I don' t want it. He didn'
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t want it. He was saying well, the ruling party was the one
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who didn' t want to. Let' s say we negotiate more and
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not mean, what a cost than how much you screwed up the plan,
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but they didn' t want to. Let' s say no to seeing
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this company and some values are dying to negotiate, but to help, but
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they don' t leave them in quotation marks. No. No, no,
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I, that' s clear. But it is also true that the
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Government should say two things. First, let it be understood that now it
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is not by an omniverse law, but by several more narrow laws. I
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think that could be forgiveness. That' s right. That' s the
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information you have because I don' t know if they' re good.
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I don' t know if it' s good. You' re going
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to see, let' s say, the government lets this go. If
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later you don' t, okay, well, leave it behind, then
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my question is wrong. Then change the formulation. A month and a half
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ago, say you or to my taste. I think, I think we
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' ll see what happens on Friday, see what impression the governors are leaving
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with and go to the meeting. I have the impression that there may be,
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this possibility of saying is okay, or I' m going to scream
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a little in public. But we have four or five or six seven things
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about which it is in that omnique law were being given. Let' s
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go and pass that part and keep discussing the rest and we' ll,
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of course, give that we have something approved as a part of the bus
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law, as we continue to work for the May pact. It seems to
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me that if this situation does not happen in which they are generated, we
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are going to say signs that generate a climate of negotiation. Well, of
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course, we' ll get to May and nothing will happen or everyone will
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listen to him, give him the best taste said, sign him a paper
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that' s like signing a like they say in Mexico, a salute to
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the flag, no good at all. You signed the paper, but it
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' s useless. Like this the one who signs the paper, it'
24:26
s useless. Of course I say, the point is what' s going
24:32
on. So what happens. If the President says well, I' ll
24:37
send you funds. I' m returning some of the trust funds. I
24:41
' m going to control us, but I can' t be displeased.
24:48
The 25th of May all over the world goes and says good. All right,
24:51
I' ll sign it for you. There' s no use in
24:52
paper. But you got engaged. I promised to respect the private property that
24:59
is the ACU Institution if it is already going to charge the participation that cannot
25:03
be. It has that these twenty- four drafts have not been approved for
25:12
thirty years, cousins thirty years the new Constitution. We' re still going
25:17
to get rid of the good budget and you' re going to balance it
25:22
and you' re the President. So I say it seems to me that
25:26
we can get to the one that if the government does not accept climate,
25:33
it can say total 25 May and some would like to sign the pact so
25:37
that it does not go anywhere. Let' s say that on the one
25:41
hand and then another situation. You didn' t see that there are always
25:47
variables that get out of control, not because someone wants it, but because
25:51
there' s simply no way to predict it. That this is what happens
25:53
if they get into a sense of systematic payment, three or four more provinces
26:00
get a big mess. That' s got a domino So I say that
26:07
becomes a national problem. We' ve already talked about it. It'
26:10
s not just a problem for governors this shift and some even until he lets
26:15
go. Let' s just say the ball to get him to arm himself
26:18
up a little bit. Then I say it seems to me that at that
26:26
point I say they all drown or they all get saved. It seems to
26:29
me that you think you see on the side, you think that it can
26:32
happen from this that three or four provinces go into payment need and say to
26:37
the Regenta also to Mille say Mira that there are three, but then you
26:40
can fall a big córdoba or by oíns buos ares. Then you see it
26:42
as plausible look. There is more than one Governor than they assumed that they
26:48
also find themselves in a desperate box situation because not without eating or drinking it.
26:53
Let' s be clear, then they call it good and settle the
26:56
score. Yeah, but just the bills like I just arrived and I have
27:00
to pay it off. There' s more than one Governor than this one
27:03
just assumed that they say the situation is worse than the means of being say
27:08
I don' t know how we' re going to do it, because
27:11
the situation is ultra complicated. Then I' d tell you eye because at
27:17
some point let' s say there may be more than one who issues this
27:22
a quasi coin, not because he wants to, but because he has no
27:23
other one left if he' s sorry. Let' s just say the
27:25
province explodes. Well, all that can. You can, say no,
27:29
not rule it out. Horse told the President publicly over the weekend because they
27:33
don' t adjust the pace of the problem pec a little because otherwise,
27:37
they won' t get the devaluation, because inflation is eating it. Not
27:42
with two percent they don' t get that. What it means is either
27:47
to speed up the pace or at the moment you' re going to have
27:49
to devalue again, as in December and everything starts back. Well government says
27:55
that with the street of financiers and the gap of less than twenty percent they
27:57
don' t need to devalue. It' s not him they say.
28:00
They say we' ll see you. I am told to see that a
28:04
conclusion of new positions, that is, I do not want to pull as
28:07
many possible ones, but one that is as likely is that the government does
28:11
not achieve great climate but that it has a role, that is to say
28:15
that it is left for the photos that we signed and in return, the
28:17
zip funds. It would be like a defeat. Honorable, it' s
28:18
not going to sell me like a broken one, but a filling. Let
28:22
' s just say that' s like a probable scenario. Of course,
28:26
I say wrong, no, no, it' s not right, because
28:30
I say the issue is supposed to be that the government is stubborn and says
28:34
ok if I' m not going to sign the pact and they' re
28:37
not going to give me the laws and so on, then, since I
28:44
have more financial backs than you, because last and light can issue money clear,
28:51
you can take debt that the provinces can' t take, they limited
28:52
the ability to borrow. Then he can say good at this thing to see
28:56
that you run out of oxygen and you' re going to run out of
29:00
demands not before me, then you' re going to have to come boking
29:03
to sign whatever I want. Well, that' s pretty much it.
29:07
Let' s just say he' s very optimistic about my law, because
29:12
everything can end badly. It' s not that it' s not necessarily
29:15
that the subject is like I have more back then I' m going to
29:18
win and then you come and sign me what I want. And if you
29:22
don' t sign it either, they can all die in the attempt at
29:26
calculus error or which in politics is quite frequent the biggest candi cart de pelayo.
29:33
Obviously, it is also natural to reveal Alfonsino eighty- three and so
29:37
on, not Alberto Fernández, who won very hard in the first round,
29:41
but in the is forgiveness in the pass, but remained after the first round
29:45
together for the change relatively well with the improvement of MACP more to lose.
29:48
But I mean in part of a scenario talking about the eighty- three for
29:52
the attack also of Milla, and I don' t say Peronism, especially
29:56
in the diluted position, especially Peronism based on the role of trade unionism,
30:00
or the ajista of trade unionism or the wear and tear to the government part
30:03
of Mexicanism. If leadership is closer to a Uitre fund than to stand strong
30:11
than if pla has them complicated. He' s Miley' s biggest clear
30:15
cadian today in the face of this situation and obviously, the little popular belief
30:22
in the position that there is not entirely clear, is an example for the
30:26
opposition to the wet rain Union for the homeland loses and, in addition,
30:32
the only leadership that you have a worn- out leadership that is Cristina'
30:36
s leadership without alternative figures, at least for now and, in addition to
30:40
that, one together for the change that flew through the air. Then I
30:41
say with all that, I would say the government has a handicap and the
30:45
time I say the seriousness of the crisis also disciplines society a little. As
30:51
if saying well, if this is the solution, let' s make gut
30:55
heart and bank as far as we can and as far as Bancapotticos can still
30:59
reach us on the Gregal light ballot be won in a month, in two,
31:03
tickets start to increase and so many things are already seen to be measured.
31:07
They say that banking less, that less patience in the middle class,
31:11
that the lower class to which they increase it, the middle class that increases
31:12
it in the private school prepares it I increased it a lot. The nasta,
31:15
that is to say, we talk about this, not the banking people.
31:18
The banking people. First there is the debate. No. I think
31:22
Julio Aurelio is drawing. Not in my law does it maintain the popularity of
31:26
seeing when it won fifty- six percent. Now he' s lost three,
31:30
four or five dots. We have if you want, fifty- fifty
31:33
or fifty- two to forty- eight, forty- eight, cinuent and
31:36
but I say and to what extent banking, once you intuit a little bit
31:41
the society looks to me it seems that I believe that to me, but
31:44
it seems to me that six months can eventually give it. And after those
31:48
situations where we' ll see if because we' ve been around for almost
31:55
a month in four days instead we' ve been three months, three.
31:56
Yes, then this is three more months, where the government assumes that with
32:04
the arrival of foreign dollars, then the situation is going to be, let
32:07
' s say, as calmer, talking about at least is talking about at
32:13
least the ten zero of the fund, for example, that were left pending
32:15
macre, for example, that kind of thing. So, now eye,
32:22
let' s say this. The recession is very strong, very strong and
32:28
the fall in income is remarkable. One hypothesis, say, is that a
32:34
negative hypothesis for what the government thinks is that today it is a crisis for
32:42
inflation. You' ve got a lot of inflation and a fall in the
32:46
brain is if in three months you don' t start having an unemployment crisis.
32:49
Of course this is all inside the information. But all this is going
32:54
to depend on a detail that' s not minor, which is what if
33:00
people bank under their finger, don' t fire me keep paying what you
33:06
can, which is adjustment, for income to keep the job, because anything
33:13
is preferable to find out what happens if companies can' t even say well,
33:20
okay, it' s not that I can' t pay the increases
33:22
directly. I can' t support you because I dropped the lawsuit. So
33:25
much. Let' s just say I' m suffocated and then let'
33:36
s say people don' t even have a chance to say good, keep
33:38
my job, don' t raise my salary, or black me a whole
33:43
bunch of situations. It seems to me that this situation is a situation.
33:47
Let' s just say we have to put it on the table, we
33:51
don' t have to completely rule it out. It seems to me like
33:59
two shorts complete with that other one that we' re still spitting in quotes
34:06
savings. But, well, that' s all bounded up. No way,
34:09
we' re collecting forgiveness. Ah you didn' t see what the
34:14
government says says the dollar stands. It' s the blue keeps it low,
34:16
because now it' s pulling the dollars out of the mattress. No,
34:20
but all of that has a limit. It' s not a two
34:25
percent term that already awaits us as a friend Gustavo farrar the Wolfinson. My
34:29
law swallows for good or stops the pro and sticks. The pro has no
34:35
way of escaping that macri and companionship. If Milen' s doing well,
34:38
she swallows it and she' s going bad for both of us. I
34:40
say pro as we say, enslaved to this look at me. The truth
34:45
is, I see him at Max beb pro' s pro thing I see
34:52
him slow or not. I see it as a situation that will soon be
34:55
resolved. There seems to be good will, but from that point on,
35:01
it seems to me that there is still a short way to the argo,
35:05
among other things, that the most important agreement will be, in fact,
35:07
in Congress, where everyone votes for it. That' s why good.
35:08
With that then I say if that' s going to work. There is
35:12
no need for any particular agreement. Let' s see And later, if
35:16
I have discussed total, another see I say Ticket has a bit of stability
35:25
to embarrass everything and that' s also why we talked about the handicap of
35:29
the opposition and so on, well, he was skillful last Friday with him
35:37
the speech because he put on the table, the May Pact and the anticaste
35:39
package. The antecasta package is clearly popular. Let' s say for sure,
35:45
the new majority of people would agree with what I proposed there and the
35:47
May Pact, that is, they call me confrontational. There you have a
35:52
pact to sign it is of a certain skill or it is a trick pichanga.
35:57
Yes, of course it' s the government faction to regain initiative after
36:00
it was a little blurry because it dropped the lion. That' s for
36:05
sure. But well, there' s what' s going to happen to
36:07
the neuido one, because quite a few Fridays, well it was almost safe
36:12
in the Senate and it had to be seen that it happened in disputed,
36:15
obviously, support from garnishers and so on. And now it seems to you
36:15
that the Senate that generism was left alone in the Senate again. How we
36:19
' d see it. First of all, I think that the rapporteur,
36:22
however, should fall into a Chamber, both of them fall, must still
36:27
see them in order to believe. I think that' s, that'
36:29
s not totally good, but it' s long. I think that'
36:30
s a long one. That, on the one hand, is a let
36:35
' s say Congress' s response to Neu' s, but Neo'
36:40
s is in a lot of trouble with justice. There' s no agreement
36:45
that' s worth it. Not good. But the Court, the Court
36:49
with a political waist, does not take political leave with which it is working.
36:52
A lot of the work, but then let' s say the work,
36:55
but out of the work, it doesn' t take it. There
36:59
' s a question mark in justice. NEUM doesn' t take it,
37:04
let' s say justice, so if you were a first instance where the
37:08
sona pente was dictated don' t innovate. The NEU has no validity in
37:15
certain respects, in others, in another, then I say only for you.
37:20
If you go for a topic, raise, the prepaid give you the
37:22
reason is only for you. As an affiliate, it' s not for
37:23
Tolo. For you or whatever it was totally, but then there are all
37:28
the other things that the NEU intends to modify by decree when it has to
37:32
pass by law and back there I say do not take it to Congress,
37:36
but in the middle it is in limbo. Neu' s not a good
37:39
part. Carlos, thank you very much. As always a pleasure of fer
37:49
of Carlos Fara in New York, we pass to Don Gustavo Barral El Golfo
37:52
are our correspondent. In Mexico we' re going to see if you leave
37:55
the world frozen Don Gustavo RLS, how are Fernando going, how are you?
38:02
Good afternoon. I' m fine listening to Carlitos from the Big Apple
38:12
analyzing things. But, you know that today I don' t want to
38:17
be so into internal politics, because, obviously I think very well explained by
38:23
the scenario Carlos, where we are with an opposition still beaten, badly beaten
38:30
by electoral defeat without leadership came the top party leader from Spain and I think
38:38
they' re kicking him in quite a lot. But Borges said we are
38:47
not moved by love, but by terror. That is why we love each
38:52
other so much and that is the two extremes of Latin America or Mexico,
38:59
the us Argentina. You' re in Argentina. I am here in Mexico,
39:04
with two Presidents who are antagonically different in all ways in thought, but
39:13
they are acting in the same way. It' s a very curious thing.
39:17
I see that we are saying that we are tearing off the garments these
39:23
days since the announcement by the President of the closure of Tela and López Obrador
39:30
last year closed the official urgency of news that had practically the durability of the
39:40
seventy years that had had the cris in the government when these cuts are sought
39:51
or, better said, these closures of business of the caste, as says
39:59
milel López Obrador, during before all his almost six years of government was passed
40:05
saying that everything that was being invested, all the social supports, all the
40:12
infrastructure and so on? It came from saving corruption and closing the sponsored niches
40:17
of power. He calls them by the conservative neoliberals Mile and calls them glascos.
40:25
So, my question, Fernande, I would like us to discuss it
40:30
as a topic of dialogue rather than exposure, that is how far those extremes
40:37
come together and where. Moreover, most curiously, some are aggravated and the
40:44
others are criticized within the same thing. For example, Cuba last week raised
40:51
the price of fuel by 400 percent. Not from the point of view of
41:00
the left. Perhaps we would be an adjustment for anything from our point of
41:08
view. We said it' s the right one that comes all the way
41:15
to the pocket. Let' s say progretariat, but it' s the
41:19
same thing. No So, really, as far as I saw him do,
41:24
I don' t know about pipe and his partner also doesn' t
41:29
close the cloth. He would be in Mexico with that same jail telling López
41:35
Obrador. Don' t close, he doesn' t have the pres actor.
41:39
The agencies, rather, the commercial air girls, which was almost the
41:45
state were given the Milley All army did the same as the planes. I
41:52
commend the armed forces. So to see the question if I was a negotiator
41:59
at this time of the relations between the two countries is what differentiates us and
42:08
whether this ideology that we are criticizing from both sides in the concepts of governance
42:16
are not really generating or implementing the same mechanisms and situations. I' m
42:28
not sorry I was saying no. No. Today I have a statement from
42:31
the market without the state is like leaving the fox in the gas tank.
42:35
He said who you' re talking about today regarding the voice of forgiveness Fernando.
42:39
The market without the state is like leaving the fox in the gas tank,
42:43
said Amlo the President of Mexico, when it was consulted just about the
42:46
session in Argentina. Look at the President' s friendship with Alberto Fernández,
42:51
who is in Mexico, etcetera, etcetera, meeting with youÁlvaro Fernández.
42:54
Over there. No. No. Don' t you? Don' t
42:55
you? Don' t you? Don' t you? No. No.
42:59
I think it would be too exhilarating for the beaches to come, for
43:04
it to be more contentious. No, because there no more falls out and
43:07
more when cos There' s a conception. There is no conception of state
43:12
rock obviously, after which you say government, governance, more, the discourse
43:15
became related in part exactly. I mean. I would like amlo to ask
43:24
Alberto Fernández to see why all these principles that we did, you carried it
43:34
out to us and let us say if we were objective and you are carrying
43:40
out them your successor and under the circumstances we just mentioned. I mean,
43:52
it' s very easy. It' s very easy to be an opponent,
43:57
it' s very easy to be critical, it' s very easy
44:02
to rule with slogan. But the question is whether it is very easy to
44:10
govern, and I think Alberto demonstrated it because his success and his business card
44:20
for many years as a skilled political negotiator armed with threads, coalitions, alliances
44:30
and structures. When he came to power he could not solve or solve any
44:37
right, not even within his own party or political space. So with what
44:47
we play realities kill demagoguery, if I could tell you realities kill the verse,
45:05
because on both sides they are doing the same. What could I say?
45:13
Look at those left- handed currents. López Obrador is saying these conservative
45:17
neo- liberal currents, but maybe I' m thinking because I' m
45:27
scoring things that have been done in these five years and Miley' s doing
45:32
crazy speakers. It has not played an important or active role in the State.
45:38
López Obrador has played an important role in what he calls Mexico' s
45:45
fourth historical transformation, what Alfonsón at the time wanted to do with the third
45:52
movement and those things for destiny. Claudia Ceuma' s slogan, who is
46:00
the fashion candidate of the ruling party. It' s put from a second
46:07
floor to transformation and what and why you saw this. When López Obrador arrived
46:15
as Head of Government of Mexico City in the year two thousand, his summit
46:19
work questioned or not, but a reality is repeated again. He put a
46:25
second floor of circulation to the main road axes that communicated the city. Imagine
46:32
today the North Access, the Pan American Access, the West Access, the
46:38
Silver Route. I don' t know any good airs. All those ace
46:44
are with a second floor to say avoid the congestions of t so to see
46:55
is how to say what did this mayor made the background and that was the
47:00
seal and platform that gave, apart from his foolishness and stubbornness, to López
47:06
Obrador reach the Presidency that, under that slogan, the current candidate says let
47:12
' s put a second floor, that is, what is the continuity of
47:17
this process of the four TS. Obviously, we are thinking or starting from
47:25
a reality. Already amlo will not be the quantity and political history of humanity
47:31
have taught us that no supposedly or self- called leader of multitudes has left
47:43
heirs, who continues in his legacy. See any country, including Peronism,
47:50
no, but it itself had actors, but it had no heirs. The
47:57
pri never had your heirs and friends, nor Gol' s, nor Short
48:04
' s, nor any of the heroes of the 20th century. In the
48:09
conduct of the great transformations their respective countries had heirs and what is going to
48:15
be, let' s say amlo can' t be that the movement remains
48:20
either. But the movement is more he gets the daily agenda and whatever his
48:28
successor, his successor, in that case, his successor will no longer have
48:32
it. And it' s the big problem that Morena' s going to
48:40
concentrate for the next six years, that is, she' s holding one
48:49
more six years for the figure of amlo. But six years from now,
48:52
there' s no other Salvador Costa that he didn' t create. This
48:55
process of the four formations is already finished and another messiah will appear that begins
49:04
to think about the fifth transformation of i what happens with the figure of ambulo
49:10
once it is re- elected between dark quotes wins this woman who is candidate
49:15
exa Mayor. Well, he says he' s going to his estate his
49:20
little camp that he has in Chia part is going to happen what he says,
49:23
what' s going to happen. Yeah, yeah. Look into Mexico
49:25
' s political history, including great leadership and personalism, marked the end of
49:36
its six years as an almost unwritten constitutional situation. President Azop accepts the appointment,
49:47
turns first year, but immediately puts first or second and becomes again the
49:55
new actor and protagonists of the police. The historical case of that country was
50:07
the figure of Lázaro carn Lázaro Carnas is what is called the proman of the
50:12
Mexican Revolution. I' m not talking about the one who nationalized the oil
50:16
in the 1930s. Well, his figure was a man of consultation, but
50:23
he didn' t finish deciding or deciding on the politics issues of what was
50:32
going on in Mexico. I mean, if you ask me, he can
50:37
become a president in the shadows. Maybe, but the system. I believe
50:44
that, taking into account the old model of the pria, which is copied
50:49
to its totality, that he is suffering, which is also going through the
50:53
syndrome of the fifth presidential year, where he, God, begins to come
51:00
down to earth and is sent. At some point he didn' t give
51:07
you how much he crucified himself. The lesson has already been won. The
51:17
lesson is practically won because it has managed the entire structure at the national level
51:24
to win unless something happened. The opposition I believe is resigned. He doesn
51:30
' t have a bad candidate. But if you follow up the campaigns that
51:36
began this first of March, they are totally exaggerated, even in creativity,
51:43
in concept, in figures. There' s nothing that moves you or comes
51:51
out of what the system is handling, that they' re counting here.
52:00
We' re less than a thousand away We' re already between the calm
52:05
coast. Some already talk about re- election of my law look. I
52:09
think the country is starting to settle down. Me. I' m going
52:20
to move on to an old comment made to me by an old president of
52:24
an American country that had been, had suffered, had resigned because of problems.
52:29
I' m not telling you about the coup d' etat, but
52:34
I' m telling you, destabilities and walking with him through the cassal I
52:38
was telling them to see the President forgive me for not fucking it. When
52:39
you go out you give, tell me those who came in have been worse
52:49
than me that really today I am an angel. Let' s say with
52:53
wings and anglical chest the case of my law. I believe that what Carlos
52:59
was talking about, this kind of honeymoon and, at the same time,
53:04
tolerance. I believe that we are just now starting to think about what they
53:15
were, especially the last year of the government last year, with Sergio Maza
53:20
' s kind of ambition, to conquer the presidency whatever it was and what
53:28
was allowed to be said in the country under the cover of everything, including
53:37
plugging in the machine and not putting any kind of limit on the situation or
53:42
the issue at all. So, when we see or hear about whether there
53:47
was a guy who made Milaneses in a justice office or there were people who
53:57
lived in there like Okupas, where we realize that in a house of eighty
54:05
square meters it was a dependency that had three thousand five hundred employees and things
54:10
like that and things like that. So that' s, obviously, we
54:15
' re waking up from a nightmare and we' re even putting up with
54:23
the person who' s telling us that nightmare without knowing that, if it
54:30
can be, it' s right now in the storyteller stage. He may
54:31
become an executioner in a while, but today we are giving him. I
54:38
think a sort of endorsement to show us, at least what is the way
54:47
he presents. We' re on a tightrope. I think we knew that
54:55
he was going to take on a tightrope, that what I' m saying
55:01
is how far he remembers, he can resist and how far? Actually,
55:07
from the point of view of the government, you can understand that there are
55:15
certain items that can expire, but you cannot burst the good case at the
55:21
level of salaries, retirees, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. The problem is
55:25
that I' m realizing that there was but so much, but so much,
55:32
but so many curros, everywhere, that is a chinadero that we don
55:37
' t know where we' re covering it up and exploiting it for another,
55:49
really society or tedes call it, I' m going to use Miley
55:53
' s terms and the corporate caste didn' t have a fill. And,
55:58
on the other hand, so a little bit that corporate caste, let
56:04
' s say, has the acceptance or popular to put in or to propose
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solutions. Obviously, they have already left and have lost all manner of actibility.
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They don' t have faces. He doesn' t have a face
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for a gentleman he' s going to be real, he doesn' t
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have a face for a moyano son. He' s got no face.
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I don' t really know the defense if they' re looking out for
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the workers' defense. Many of them thirty, thirty- five years ago
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are watching over that defense and if they didn' t, the problem is
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like the master and they reprove everyone. It is no longer a problem of
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pupils, which is a problem of teaching. And if they have not achieved
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that stability or that well- being for the workers. And I would answer
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to think if the problem is no longer the dome from an objective point of
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view, no, because it cannot be that fifty years ago they are with
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the same libretto, with the same searches for preventions, with the same concessions
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and with higher levels of poverty for one side and give requirements for the other.
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And we allow it and during a kind of milad democracy it poses a
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kind of democratization. Let' s see if they come out online color alfonsine
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at that moment. Yes, with the famous one there are many. There
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' s a lot of them. Evidently, I think that at its good
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time, the law, let' s say, was lost by one vote.
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Then it means that this vote was not recovered in the forty years of
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democracy either. On the contrary, it allowed that vote to empower them much
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more. Now the issue is what it represents for workers and that demand is
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union leadership. I don' t know, I mean, grab a metallurgist
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and don' t know what it stands for. If the union leader knows
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who he' s from. Let' s even say leftover, not that
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it' s part of a trade union shoe. Well, we don'
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t have time, but there' s a generás management problem, I don
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' t say the serious union to see For many years we' ve been
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talking about it being a wire- tied country and here we' re proving
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it. The wire rusted you and it' s bursting the country very hot.
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Wednesday coming this same we forgot to find by this very Baty program of
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agreement. All right, and if I don' t ask d michni to
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advise me of Michelles Chao' s a big hug. Gustavo Ferrari, just
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as there is flat construction, our correspondent from North America is leaving at five
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o' clock in the afternoon. We turn against tomorrow at four o'
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clock, with several testimonies recorded, many reviews with political matter Alberto Royter,
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