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Living an Effortless Life with Lifestyle Designer Jenni Kayne · QUESTION EVERYTHING

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  Speaker 1: Big things happen when you're pretty, pretty bold, pretty clever,
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  Speaker 1: pretty strong. I'm Danielle Robe and each week my guests
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  Speaker 1: and I have conversations that.
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  Speaker 2: Put a new spin on pretty.
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  Speaker 1: This is pretty smart. Hello, Hello, Hello, I hope you
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  Speaker 1: are having a really great day. I am recording just
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  Speaker 1: this introduction from my couch.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a little under the weather.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if this happens to you, but I
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  Speaker 1: feel like sometimes my body pushes, pushes, pushes, and waits
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  Speaker 1: to get sick until, like after all the important stuff
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  Speaker 1: is over. That's kind of what happened to me.
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  Speaker 2: I had quite a few weeks. It was kind of
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  Speaker 2: like a three week sprint.
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  Speaker 1: I would wake up every day at five am so
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  Speaker 1: that I could work, and then I would try and
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  Speaker 1: get a quick workout in and then come back in work,
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  Speaker 1: and it felt like every day was a fire drill,
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  Speaker 1: and then I would go to bed at like eleven
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  Speaker 1: or twelve, wake up and do it again. And of
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  Speaker 1: course I was going to get sick. I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: five hour a night person. I need a good eight hours.
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  Speaker 1: I kind of love nine, but I at least need
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  Speaker 1: seven or eight.
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  Speaker 2: So what was I doing?
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  Speaker 1: Well?
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  Speaker 2: A few things.
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  Speaker 1: The first is I was prepping for a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: things with Hello Sunshine, which is Reese Witherspoon's media company,
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  Speaker 1: and they put on an event called shine Away, powered
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  Speaker 1: by AT and T, who you all know I work
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  Speaker 1: with all the time. So it was like my world's colliding.
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  Speaker 1: And I love the two companies so much and the
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  Speaker 1: people behind them, and so there was just a lot
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  Speaker 1: of preparation for the day. I was finding the right
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  Speaker 1: video team and editors and prepping for the actual panel,
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  Speaker 1: which I did. It was titled Write Your Story, and
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  Speaker 1: I got to interview three awesome authors, Curtis Sittenfeld, Jasmine Guillery,
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  Speaker 1: and Laura Dave. We're all Reese's book Club authors, and
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  Speaker 1: they were so thoughtful and funny, and the panel was
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  Speaker 1: actually one of my favorites that I've ever done. You
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  Speaker 1: can catch the highlights on my Instagram. But the main
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  Speaker 1: idea is something that's really applicable to all of our lives.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I go to events or panels sometimes
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  Speaker 1: people are talking at me, and the reason I'm there
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  Speaker 1: is to be in community with them more so, and
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  Speaker 1: so I tried to curate the panel to feel that way,
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  Speaker 1: and so the idea is these authors are New York
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  Speaker 1: Times bestsellers and Reese's Book Club authors and have obviously
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  Speaker 1: found a ton of success. But there's no blueprint when
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  Speaker 1: you're in a creative field and there's no one path.
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  Speaker 1: And I actually think that nowadays that applies to fields
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  Speaker 1: outside of creative ones.
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  Speaker 2: There is no one path anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And so the goal was to take their tools and
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  Speaker 1: their knowledge and some inspiration from them and apply it
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  Speaker 1: to our own lives, to write our own story, whatever
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  Speaker 1: that may be, to really just go for it, because
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  Speaker 1: sometimes the only thing standing in between us from really
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  Speaker 1: doing it is the idea in our mind that we're
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  Speaker 1: going to commit to doing it. It's like we have
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  Speaker 1: to get over that hump or that fear and just say, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going for it. And I've always found other women's
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  Speaker 1: stories as an inspiration to force myself to go there
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  Speaker 1: and to go after it. And that's part of the
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  Speaker 1: reason I love books so much, is their stories inspire
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  Speaker 1: me to write my own.
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  Speaker 2: Story, if that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: I actually got to meet some of you at the
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  Speaker 1: Shinaway event, So for everybody who was there that I
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  Speaker 1: got to meet, that's a pretty smart listener. I have
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  Speaker 1: to tell you you made my day. And one woman
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  Speaker 1: who was there. Her name is Jamie Rosenstock. She's a
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  Speaker 1: fellow Midwest girl and pretty smart listener. She is starting
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  Speaker 1: a new company. She's going out on her own as
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  Speaker 1: a graphic designer for the first time, and so I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to give her a shout out. If you are
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  Speaker 1: in need of graphic design, go to her website j
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  Speaker 1: A Y M E R O S E N S
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  Speaker 1: T O c K Jamie Rosenstock dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Her work is beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: She was a graphic designer for the La Dodgers for years,
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  Speaker 1: and this community was built to shine a light on
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  Speaker 1: other women's stories and businesses and help everybody win and
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  Speaker 1: make money. So I was kind of thinking we should
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  Speaker 1: do more of these shout outs. Feel free to DM
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  Speaker 1: me if you want to submit your business your company
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  Speaker 1: for a shout out, or even if you want to
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  Speaker 1: nominate a friend somebody who's doing something amazing that deserves
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  Speaker 1: some shine.
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  Speaker 2: Keep me posted. So that was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: And then I also did a really cool event with
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  Speaker 1: foot Locker and New Balance and storm Read and I
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  Speaker 1: haven't posted about it yet, but.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to and I'll share more.
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  Speaker 1: We played question Everything, which, if you aren't familiar, is
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  Speaker 1: the card game fifty two questions for deeper conversation that
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  Speaker 1: I started about a year and some change ago, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever told the story of how
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  Speaker 1: it came about, so I'm going to save that for
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  Speaker 1: next week. But it was definitely inspired by Larry King,
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  Speaker 1: who was a real mentor of mine. And so I
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  Speaker 1: don't want this to get too long and eat into
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  Speaker 1: our interview time.
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  Speaker 2: I know you all are busy, whether.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening in the car or your house or wherever
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  Speaker 1: you are. I know you don't want to hear me
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  Speaker 1: ramble for too long before we get to our amazing guest.
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  Speaker 2: I do have one favor to ask you.
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  Speaker 1: For some reason, the algorithm or matrix or whatever they
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  Speaker 1: call it changed. So if you listen from Apple Podcasts
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  Speaker 1: in particular, makes that you hit the follow button please
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  Speaker 1: so that the pod comes to your phone every week,
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  Speaker 1: because I guess it like unsubscribed everybody if they weren't following,
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  Speaker 1: even if you listen all the time.
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  Speaker 2: So please click follow.
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  Speaker 1: And if you have sixty seconds, if you could write
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  Speaker 1: us a review. It would just mean so much to me,
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  Speaker 1: and I know you most of you follow me on Instagram,
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  Speaker 1: but the Pretty Smart page has actually grown a lot
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  Speaker 1: in the last two months, and I post a lot
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  Speaker 1: of clips from.
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  Speaker 2: The interviews there that I don't post on my own page.
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  Speaker 1: So those are all of the housekeeping Pretty Smart updates.
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  Speaker 1: So thanks for bearing with me, and if you fast forward,
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  Speaker 1: I still love you.
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  Speaker 2: But let's let's get into it. What is your superpower?
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  Speaker 1: That's actually one of the questions in the Question Everything
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  Speaker 1: card game. And when I created the game, I had
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  Speaker 1: about one thousand and one questions that I had listed off,
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  Speaker 1: and I whittled them down to fifty two and put
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  Speaker 1: them in a particular order, and I kept that question
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  Speaker 1: in for a reason. I think it's fascinating because every
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  Speaker 1: single person has one, and sometimes it's hard to look
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  Speaker 1: at ourselves and call it out. A TV executive actually
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  Speaker 1: had me do this exercise one time, and it's.
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  Speaker 2: Sort of interesting to do.
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  Speaker 1: She said, come up with five questions and email it
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  Speaker 1: to five to ten different people in your life, people
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  Speaker 1: who see you in different ways, right, because your friend
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  Speaker 1: sees you different than your boss, sees you different than
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  Speaker 1: your mom, etc.
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  Speaker 2: And have them reply to you.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's so hard to see ourselves, but to have
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  Speaker 1: other people reflect back to us the things that were
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  Speaker 1: great at the things we need to work on, is
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  Speaker 1: so valuable. And one of those questions that she told
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  Speaker 1: me to include it is what is my superpower? So,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, every single person has one. I even
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  Speaker 1: heard David Beckham say it in his new Netflix documentary
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  Speaker 1: that he doesn't get nervous, which I guess is helpful
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  Speaker 1: if your job is to play soccer in front of
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  Speaker 1: sold out stadiums of seventy five thousand people. But superpowers,
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  Speaker 1: I think are more often than not what great careers
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  Speaker 1: are made out of. And today's guest definitely has a superpower.
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  Speaker 1: Jenny Kine is a supreme taste maker with an ability
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  Speaker 1: to distinguish good from great.
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  Speaker 3: I used to think that was a critical eye, but
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  Speaker 3: I've really decided it's a discerning eye. And I think
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  Speaker 3: having that ability to discern what feels right and what
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  Speaker 3: feels wrong, what is beautiful and what is not, what's
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  Speaker 3: new and modern versus like stale, I think it's a
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  Speaker 3: superpower for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Her California lifestyle brand includes wardrobe essentials, homeware goods, and
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  Speaker 1: now a skincare line Essentials. Her brand is a favorite
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  Speaker 1: among celebs like Jennifer Garner, Jessica Alba, and Emma Stone.
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  Speaker 1: But Jenny Kane's brand is more than just a brand.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lifestyle that embraces being timeless, minimalistic, and California chic,
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  Speaker 1: just like Jenny, and I think her aesthetic makes for
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  Speaker 1: an ease of life in effortlessness.
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  Speaker 4: So I always say, like what I'm wearing to what I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Putting in my body, on my skin, how I'm setting
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  Speaker 3: my table, what my house looks like like all those
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  Speaker 3: details are equally as important and they should all feel beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: So even though sometimes things take more time, I think
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  Speaker 3: it's worth it.
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  Speaker 1: And we had one of the ultimate taste makers on
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  Speaker 1: the Pretty Smart Cup, So I had to ask her
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  Speaker 1: questions like how do you even begin to decorate an
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  Speaker 1: apartment or a house?
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  Speaker 2: What do you buy first? How about a great wardrobe?
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  Speaker 1: She had practical.
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  Speaker 2: Tips and tricks that I'm excited for you to hear.
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  Speaker 1: So today Jenny Kaine shares how she built her brand
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  Speaker 1: into a beloved empire, why it's important to find joy
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  Speaker 1: in the details, and how being discerning became her ultimate superpower. So, Jenny,
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  Speaker 1: you grew up in La. I think of you as
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  Speaker 1: the quintessential California girl. How would you describe the Jenny
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  Speaker 1: Kine aesthetic? Because I think California is so in its DNA.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I mean I think growing up
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  Speaker 3: in California really shaped who I am as a person,
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  Speaker 3: and then what the brand is all about, which is
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  Speaker 3: living well and living effortlessly.
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  Speaker 4: So nothing needs to be too perfect.
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  Speaker 3: I think the difference between like East Coast and West
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  Speaker 3: Coast is, you know, roller sleeves up, a little more
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  Speaker 3: messy your hair. You don't need to look totally done
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  Speaker 3: to feel beautiful in what you're wearing.
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  Speaker 1: When we got to the set today, I was thinking,
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  Speaker 1: these are very Jenny Caine colors. I tried to even
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  Speaker 1: dress in Jenny Kate.
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  Speaker 4: I should have worn cream right, cream white and neutrals.
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  Speaker 1: No, your top is very Jenny Cane too. I was
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  Speaker 1: shocked to learn that you launched a fashion brand at nineteen.
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  Speaker 1: I think about what I was doing at nineteen, and
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  Speaker 1: I was ambitious, but I'm in college. I think I
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  Speaker 1: was a sophomore. I would have had no idea. How
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  Speaker 1: did you know how to start a business?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I look back.
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  Speaker 3: I and I pretty shocked as well, I think, especially
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  Speaker 3: as my kids get older and I realized how young
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  Speaker 3: I was. I was wild when I was younger. I
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  Speaker 3: lived a lot, and that means like I had a
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  Speaker 3: lot of fun. I was rebellious and creative, and I
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  Speaker 3: was in a school that really like nurtured this kind
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  Speaker 3: of love of design.
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  Speaker 4: Figure drawing was my favorite class.
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  Speaker 3: And after a year of college, I just realized that, like,
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't a traditional learner, and I kind of always
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  Speaker 3: knew that, but I was like, I'll try it on
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  Speaker 3: and see what happened. So after going to Otis for
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  Speaker 3: art school, I started working and I worked for a
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  Speaker 3: woman who had a small store in Santa Monica that's
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  Speaker 3: no longer around, and I was able to help her
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  Speaker 3: open the store, go buy all of the collections, which
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  Speaker 3: at the time were like Gulliano and Gotier and it
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  Speaker 3: was an incredible experience. I would get to go to
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  Speaker 3: fashion Week in Paris and Milan and oh, yeah, like
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  Speaker 3: eighteen years.
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  Speaker 1: Old, did you feel out of your depth or you
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  Speaker 1: felt this is where I was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: I always knew I wanted to be a designer, and
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  Speaker 3: I definitely didn't feel my depth. I had a confidence
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  Speaker 3: that I think I've always had. So I just like
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  Speaker 3: loved learning and being hands on, and I loved being
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  Speaker 3: in the store. And she had a small collection, so
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  Speaker 3: I was able to start designing that. And I actually
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  Speaker 3: haven't been down here in years, but like used to
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  Speaker 3: come down here all the time. I had memories driving here,
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  Speaker 3: and so somehow I just like pulled it together. I
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  Speaker 3: met people in Italy, I met a pattern maker, I
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  Speaker 3: met someone who helped me source fabric, and I was
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  Speaker 3: just super ambitious and naive. I went to my dad
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  Speaker 3: and I asked him to back me for three seasons,
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  Speaker 3: and that was it.
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  Speaker 1: Rebecca Minkoff told me that when I interviewed her too.
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  Speaker 3: Really I actually think our dads are family friends, which
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  Speaker 3: is strange, you're hidding.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's really fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So when I think of lifestyle brands the early aughts
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  Speaker 1: are it's like Martha Stewart, right when you were thinking
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  Speaker 1: of turning Jenny Kine into a full lifestyle brand, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: who were you looking to?
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  Speaker 3: So I always had this vision that Jenny Kane would
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  Speaker 3: be a lifestyle brand, but at nineteen, I didn't have
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  Speaker 3: the bandwidth, nor did I have the vision really to
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  Speaker 3: like know what that meant. But the concept was always there,
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  Speaker 3: and I looked to like great American designers like Calvin
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  Speaker 3: Klein and Ralph Lauren and Donna Karen who had all
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  Speaker 3: these incredible products across categories. So I feel like when
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  Speaker 3: you walk into a Homer store that's ral Lauren. You
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  Speaker 3: know exactly what the Miranda is about, and you know
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  Speaker 3: that everything that you touch speaks the same language and
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  Speaker 3: that you can get the best of the best in
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  Speaker 3: that style from that designer. So the sofa, the candle,
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  Speaker 3: you know what you're what perfume you wearing to what
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  Speaker 3: you're wearing on your body. They touch all categories, and
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  Speaker 3: that was always what I wanted, but never really had
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  Speaker 3: the bandwidth until the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested in that you mentioned vision. I sort of
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  Speaker 1: felt like I was sleeping until I was like twenty seven,
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight, and I don't know really what woke me up.
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  Speaker 1: I think books did it for me. Yeah, was it
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  Speaker 1: a person for you? How did you all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden think, oh, I can turn this into an empire.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I really think I always had a really
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  Speaker 3: strong sense of what I wanted to create, and then
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  Speaker 3: putting the team in place to actually get there is
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  Speaker 3: now you know where you.
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  Speaker 4: See me today.
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  Speaker 3: So I always say, like, as a working mom, you
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  Speaker 3: have to have a great team at home and a
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  Speaker 3: great team at work, otherwise it's not possible. Like balance
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  Speaker 3: is you know something I'm always striving for. So hiring
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  Speaker 3: an incredible CEO when my daughter was young, who's she's
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  Speaker 3: now twelve? So I think Julia has been with me
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  Speaker 3: seven eight years something like that. She really helped me
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  Speaker 3: like turn Jenny Kean into a real business. And once
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  Speaker 3: we kind of tackled clothing and shoes and really like
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  Speaker 3: had like a sturdy foundation, then we were able to
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  Speaker 3: go into decorative accessories, pillows, throws, candles, and then into
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  Speaker 3: furniture and then o.
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  Speaker 1: Essentials Mandeville candles in my apartment all the time.
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  Speaker 4: Oh good, I'm so glad. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: So, speaking of your CEO, Julia Hunter, she said, quote,
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  Speaker 1: you have the best taste out of any human I've
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  Speaker 1: ever met. WHOA What is great taste? How would you
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  Speaker 1: define it?
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  Speaker 3: God, I don't think you can put that into words.
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  Speaker 3: For me, it's like just something that I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I was born with. It's just something that's inside of me.
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  Speaker 3: So so many times people ask me like what inspires me?
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  Speaker 4: Or you know, what drives me?
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  Speaker 3: And it's really difficult to put into words, but I
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  Speaker 3: think kind of having a language that you speak so
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  Speaker 3: standing like really being confident in what you believe in
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  Speaker 3: and what your vision is and standing for that and
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  Speaker 3: not being like, oh, I'm going to do this now
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  Speaker 3: in this that Like, I think my style is very
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  Speaker 3: cohesive and really has like a clear point of view.
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  Speaker 1: Who are your taste makers? I ask only because sometimes
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  Speaker 1: I'll go on a beautiful trip and I'm like, this
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  Speaker 1: cathedral totally inspired me.
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  Speaker 4: Like what inspires me? Ye?
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  Speaker 1: Like, where do you go that catches your eye?
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  Speaker 3: I'm most inspired when I travel, so I think like art, architecture, landscape,
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  Speaker 3: being out in nature is where I am most creative.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like my team gets annoyed because when we're
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  Speaker 3: like out of office, I'll be sending the most emails
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  Speaker 3: because just like laying and relaxing and being in a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful setting, that's when I start to like really get
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  Speaker 3: my creative juices flowing. Which is why I think having
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  Speaker 3: a partner a CEO is so important because it's very
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  Speaker 3: difficult to be a businesswoman and a creative.
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  Speaker 4: It takes a toll say that again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Who has the best taste out of anyone?
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  Speaker 4: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I think one of my best friends,
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  Speaker 3: Jessica Dreider, has the best taste. She's a stylist, worked
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  Speaker 3: for Vogue for a million years now, she lives in
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  Speaker 3: Toronto and everyone should look at her Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that an eye can be refined or
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  Speaker 1: is it something you're born with?
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  Speaker 3: No, I one hundred percent think it could be refined.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what that would feel like,
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  Speaker 3: because I do feel like I was born with it.
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  Speaker 3: But I would take Julia for example, Like Julia didn't
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  Speaker 3: know how to set a table, how to decorate a home.
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  Speaker 3: She you know, wouldn't say that she was known for
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: her taste, And now you walk into her home and
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: it's beautiful. Her wardrobe is, you know, impeccable, and she
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: can host a dinner party for twelve with very little efforts.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: So I think it's definitely something it can be refined
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: and learned.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. I grew up in Chicago,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: and when I moved here, I always joked that I
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: got onto the red carpet, and I saw all of
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: these interviewers with these microphones and they all knew how
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to dress. And I looked around and I was like,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: I better figure this out. Yeah, like as you did.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's very kind. I just studied it like
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: I looked at people. So I do think it's possible.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: It's nice to hear from you that it is. So
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: you describe your superpower as being discerning. M h. That
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: was really interesting to me that I've never heard anybody
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: say that. How has being discerning attributed to your success?
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I always joke people like think it's funny,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: but it's real, Like I am a virgo through and
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I used to think that was a critical eye, but
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: I've really, I've really decided it's a discerning eye. And
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I think having that ability to discern like what feels
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: right and what feels wrong, what is beautiful and what
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: is not, what's new and modern versus like stale, I
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: think that's kind of what's created what you see now.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: So I think it's a superpower for sure.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: I do too. I think a lot of people have
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: trouble making a decision.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I do not.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Do you think it comes from trust in self.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: I think so yeah, and I think like, yeah, it
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: gets more refined with age, for sure.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Oh really mm hmm.
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: I look back now and I'm I'm forty one, and
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: I just wish I had all of this like ten
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: years ago, you know, because you think you do, but
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you don't.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I just said that. I was like, if I knew
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: now what I like at twenty two, I would have
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: been unstoppable totally. It's just life, right, Yeah, what is
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: it the quote like youth is wasted on the young?
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: One hundred percent?
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: It's very true. You know, this is probably not a
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: fair question because nobody's life is picture perfect. But I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: think part of the Jenny Caine brand is that it
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: is so pristine. Hmm. Do you embrace the mess in
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: your own house in a way?
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: So I would say the mess is like my house
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: is more like a circus, Like you know, there's dogs
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: running in and out, children everywhere, tons of rescue animals,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: like you know, kids are fighting, kids are getting along,
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: like it's messy. Right, It's definitely not picture perfect. But
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not a messy human because I am a virgo.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: Everything is very.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Organized, and if it's not, then I'm like, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: walking around behind people picking stuff up, right, But there
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: is currently a plastic basketball hoop in the entry of
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: my house because my five year old is obsessed and
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: we don't have a hard surface to play basketball.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: So like there, you know, it's not perfect, it's and
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: you're okay with that, I think, And it's plastic. I
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: keep moving it around the corner and it keeps just
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: coming back out.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: That's sunny. So you say, elevate your every day is
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: your brand's ethos. When I think about that phrase, I
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: think that it means that little decisions matter, not just
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: big decisions. Is there anything you feel absolutely unwilling to
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: compromise on?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I think beauty.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: Like I think all all the small details in life
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: are equally as important. So I always say, like what
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: I'm wearing, to what I'm putting in my body, on
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: my skin, how I'm setting my table, what my house
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: looks like, like, all those details are equally as important
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: and they should all feel beautiful. So even though sometimes
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: things take more time, I think it's worth it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: So for anybody who would say that stuff is frivolous,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: what do you say?
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: It's not about having expensive things, it's about having things
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that make you feel good in your skin and make
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: you and are visually pleasing.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: If that's something that's important to you.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: So for me, like my surroundings and looking out at beauty,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: whatever that may be, is really important and that's what
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: you know, that's what drives me.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: It's not about material things.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually really feel that from you. I think
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that comes through in the brand. It's sort of less
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: is more, not more is more one percent. Has there
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: been a milestone that you really wanted to hit with
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the brand that sort of changed everything for you?
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm sure there have been so many.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know that I could pinpoint it, but I
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: would say one of the one of the biggest things
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: in the beginning, back when magazines were everything. This was
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: before blogs and podcasts and all the other ways that
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: we have to you know, expose who we are as
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: people and as brand and all the things.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Having my first meeting with Anna Winter and like going
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: into her office and showing her the collection, that was
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: a huge moment for me.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: How did you prepare for that?
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: I was so nervous. I was so young, and I
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: was so nervous. I must have not been more than
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: twenty two. Oh yeah, what so that was like year three. Yeah,
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: and she was super kind. I mean she's not like
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: warm and fuzzy, but she was very kind. And we
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: had a couple of meetings over the years and it
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: definitely like at that time that was a huge deal
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: and was kind of everything.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Do things make you nervous now at all? Yes?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: But yes, but I think I'm much more comfortable in
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: my skin. I'm not like I don't love confrontation, I
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: don't love speaking in front of large groups of people,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: but in general, like I have a meditation practice, and
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I really try to be like mindful and in the
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: moment and a grounding practice so that like when I
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: come in here, I really feel comfortable with what my
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: intention is and good in my skin and right here present.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: In my body.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, meditation is I've always wanted to commit and I
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: haven't yet. And all of my friends who sort of
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: like spiritual demeanor I admire, Yeah is it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I think there's so many easy ways to do it.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: You don't have to be perfect. I've done many different
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: iterations and versions. I think like just as a beginner,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: just to get insight timer and like listen to a
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: few guided meditations. You can even listen to a soundbath
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: while you're driving in your car, Like, yeah, I know
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: that's not ideal.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: But it's better.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It is. Music is sort of meditative, totally saying.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like there's ambient music. There's all kinds of
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: things that you can just like put on for ten minutes.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: And has there been a really challenging day?
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: There have been so many challenging days, but they're fewer
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: and farther between. But yeah, no, we all have challenges,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: and I would say, like some of the biggest challenges
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: I've had, I don't have as much anymore because they
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: were just like dealing with personnel and employees and hard
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: decisions and now.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Julia deals with that.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: That's thankfulness.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not in my Dayana, it needs to do now.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how are you supposed to like craft the next
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: collection and deal with it?
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: It's hard, it's stressful.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a skill that you possess
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: that's hard to teach somebody? Because that's what I never
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: understand about an esthetic brand. It is so much of you,
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Like how do you share that with employees who at
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: this point your brand is so big you need support.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's working closely with them. So I
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: think the more that we work together, like when we're
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: together styling the collection, if I'm on a shoot and
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: like doing an entertaining anything and putting things together, like
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: they're absorbing kind of how I work and what I see.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: So while I still like set the tone, they very
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: much can execute and do it probably without me at
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: this point.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Have you seen anything that you reckoniz and you rub
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: off on them, like day one as an employee versus
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: day totally?
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: I already said this, but like Julia like couldn't cook
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: or entertain or have anybody over, and now she can
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: fully host a large dinner party confidently with a beautiful table.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Can you hold a school? Mostly for me?
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: No, But we've done like workshops and things like that,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: and I love to learn, so like you know, yeah,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: like I love like learning, like flower arranging and things
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: like that. So we do things like that in the store,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: and then we try like in the book and on
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: the site, we try to do like how to decorate
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: your coffee table and things that just come naturally to me.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Like my team pulls it out and they're like, Okay,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: what are the rules here, and I think that can
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: be very helpful if that's not something that people kind
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: of have their own vision for.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: There's been so many celebrities wearing Jenny Caine. You at
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: one point had sort of in a state. People stayed there,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: celebrities stayed there. That was actually how I first really
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: love you.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: I think Sophia Bush and Debor Messing we're there for
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like a weekend, yeah, and I was like, what is
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: this beautiful place? So was there anybody that you were
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: really excited to see in the Jenny Kine family?
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I feel like there was such an emphasis
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: on celebrity when I was first starting that those are
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: kind of the imprints I have, So I think like
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: when Michelle Pfeiffer wore my stuff like that felt like
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: very important. I think since then, there have been so
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: many incredible women who have you know, warned Jenny Kine,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I don't read tabloids, I don't read vlogs, anything like
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: any websites or anything like that, So I don't really
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: like focus on that. But I think what drives me
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: more than celebrities wearing my things or spending time in
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: our Jenny Cane house that we had is seeing just
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: like real women in the world. So walking around, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: with my kids, even my son who's almost fifteen, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: women are in my clothes or in my sweater and
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: they'll be like, well, that's your shop, you know. Like
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I think that's the most exciting because the whole point
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: is for women to love what they're in, right, That's
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: I've never.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Thought about that. It's very cool that your kids could
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: recognize it totally.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I once was with my daughter at the country Maart.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I do have a store there, so you know, and
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: she recognized like four different people in four different outfits,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: and I was like, this is amazing.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I love this.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: What do you think that mean? Like, I know what
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it means to you, what does it mean to them?
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Do you think?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I think it was one of the biggest
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: challenges early on when I had children, was like, how
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: are you going to be a great mom and working mom?
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Because I definitely knew that I wanted to keep working,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: but it's there's a lot of guilts and it's hard
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: to find that balance. So I think I've struggled with
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: that over the years up until recently probably, And then
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I remember my son saying something like, you know, like
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: I know women can do it all because you do,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: and like something about you know how cool my work is,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and they're definitely in awe of.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: It a little bit. So I feel like it was
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: all worth it.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: That's really impactful. Yeah, when you do you mind talking
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: about the guilt part? No, do you feel like there's
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: anything you missed out on?
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Like do you like sit up a thousand percent? I
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: definitely don't sit up at night. But like earlier on,
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I couldn't take my kids to and from school. Now
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I take them every day. I pick up one of them,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: you know, a couple times a week. I've really like
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: figured out my schedule so that I can be more
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: hands on. So yeah, I didn't show up for a
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: lot of things. But I also feel like society expects
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: parents to like almost not have a job. I mean
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: the amount of school things and the amount of things
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: like emails that you get and things that they're expected
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: to show up for, and it's just not realistic.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Like so they also really send the emails to the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: moms and not the dads.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Which I mean, my husband has no idea the amount
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: of emails I've had to silence our WhatsApp group chats
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: from all my schools. Because while they're so helpful, I
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: was getting like forty texts a day because I have
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: kids in three different schools. I was like, this is
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: not sustainable, Like it's a full time job. My joke
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: is always that my real job is being my kid's
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: personal assistant.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: You've expanded to from retail stores into furniture and then
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: obviously like a bajillion other things, like the candle that'sfully
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: right over there. I can tell as you're talking to me,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: like the creative is what you love, So how do
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: you stay connected to the design process and all of that.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: So I think what's super unusual about a company of
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: our size is for the actual designers, it's just me
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: and one other girl doing clothing, accessories, shoes, and then
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: me and one other girl doing furniture and home to
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: core accessories and stuff like that. So I'm extremely hands on.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: I design every.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Collection, I style every collection. That's what I love. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I feel like having Julian having.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: This incredible team built around me has really allowed me
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: to stay in my lane and do what I'm best at,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: and then everyone else, I feel like, is better at
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: their job than I would be.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: You launched a skincare line recently which I was excited
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: to see, Oak Essentials, And when I saw, I was like,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: she must feel see or think that there is something
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: missing in the market because it's such a saturated totally
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: what was missing or something that you wanted to see
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: that you created in oc Essentials.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: So I think the concept with oc Essentials is like
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: we started with the routine of five products that everybody needs,
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: and it's all about like glowing and feeling hydrated and
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: moisturized and products that can like span age groups and
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: they're so clean and actually work and also have incredible
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: essential oils. So like the feeling that you get when
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: you're putting them on is equally as important to me
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: as like how much they're actually working.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I love that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Like my son who's you know, struggling with breakouts in
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: ninth grade, can use the blue Tansy oil, which is
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: our ritual oil. My daughter like lives for the rescue bomb.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Like I can put them on the five year old,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Like we can all wear them, My mom my, sisters,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: all of us, you know, can use the skincare and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: it's just beautiful.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Was there something that surprised you about starting a skincare
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of the brand.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I think, like how many rounds it takes to get
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: it right, because you never to put anything out there
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: that you're not completely in love with and that doesn't
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: have like such great results and a great feeling when
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: you use it, like it just it's a different process
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: than the production.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: So how does someone begin creating their own aesthetic, something
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: that's meaningful to them If you were to like give
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: us a tip or maybe even two or three.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: I think less is more, So I think really figuring
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: out my whole thing is find your uniform, and like
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: my uniform and your uniform could be completely different, but
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: like figure out what works for you with your body
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: type that makes you feel good in your clothes but
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: also for your lifestyle. So for me, it's a great
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: pair of high waisted pants or jeans, usually a T
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: shirt or a knit and a sweater or jacket flats always.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be in heels, like it's just
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I can't keep up. And once you figure out what
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: works for you, you don't need to reinvent the wheel.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: I think really kind of understanding who you are and
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: not being afraid to stand for what you love.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I like that. What are three Jenny Kane design principles
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: that any but he can apply to make their space
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: more beautiful?
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, keep it neutral.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, less is more, and I'd say use like as
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: many natural materials as you can. So I like to
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: keep it neutral and then had it in pops of
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: color with your art, with your accessories, things like that,
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: because for me, if I do like a big statement color,
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: I get sick of it and I don't like things
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: that don't stand the test of time.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: That could be different for somebody else, but that's just
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: my preference.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about texture?
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: I love texture, and especially within neutrals. So like the
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: fact that we're sitting on this like bouclet so far,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I feel like it just like adds interest and I
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: think you can get the same thing with beautiful wolves
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: and mohirs and linen and alpaca, And definitely like kind
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: of mixing it up definitely feels interesting.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Is your husband into design totally?
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: He's a real estate agent and he has great taste,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: and we're.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Both Burgos, so our poor children live in a crazy house.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But behind the scenes, definitely a big influence so like.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: You could talk about the Boucley couch and he know
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking.
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  Speaker 4: About totally one hundred percent. Yeah, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I can kind of get overwhelmed by
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  Speaker 1: an empty space. Once there's some things in there, then
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I kind of feel it out. Yeah. If I love
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  Speaker 1: that you started in college when you were nineteen. Like,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: if somebody is moving into a new apartment and condo,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: a new house and it is a wide empty space,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: what's the first thing you should do?
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I think like figure out what your direction is.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: And I think we have access to so much now,
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  Speaker 3: like go on Pinterest and look at things you like
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: create a mood board so that everything's like very cohesive,
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: and then start with your grounding pieces. So like your
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: sofa is your most important piece. I would invest more
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: in your sofa than maybe other things. So sofa, rug,
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: coffee table, and then you can take your time figure
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: out beautiful accent chairs and then start to layer in accessories, pillows, throws,
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: things for your coffee table art. But like with my
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: first house when I had a baby, I didn't have
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: a coffee table for a year because I couldn't figure
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: out what that coffee table was like the space was overwhelming,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: So I don't think everything has to be like tickin
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: tide and perfect, you know. And also, it's not affordable
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: to do everything at once for a lot of people,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: so like, take your time and really invest in pieces
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: that you're going to love and that are comfortable and
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: really feel like they work in the space.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: So is it fair to say get your sofa first
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and then build around that. I think so, Yeah, that's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a good rule. I've heard you describe yourself as a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: really private person, which was so interesting, and actually, having researched,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't put your face all over the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: brand the Jenny even though it's your namesake. It's really separate,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Like nobody really knows what Jenny Kin looks like.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Now they will.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: What went into the decision of naming your brand originally?
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I look back and I don't know that I
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: would have done it again. I think I was so
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: young I didn't really understand and it wasn't even a question. Well,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: I guess it was going to either be Jenny Kin
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: or Kin, and I don't have regrets at all. But
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: as I get older, I am pretty private and it
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: is my name, so it you know, sometimes feels a
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: little funny, but in what way? Just I like living
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: my life and having anonymity, Like I want to be
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: able to go places and not always be recognized. That
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: definitely is happening more and so it's like, I don't know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: just paying attention to what I look like when I
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: go to the farmer's market now, which like maybe I
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: don't want to do every Sunday morning.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you want to be a sleepy girl totally.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And like I still like, of course I'm in
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: my Jenny Kyne sweats and I'm like, okay, maybe hould
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: it together a little?
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I know what you mean? Yeah, do you does it
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: help a restaurants though? Because it's a name, it does.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah. No, they're definitely perks.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Like, but I just feel like, as much as I
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: want the brand to be very large, I have no
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: desire to be famous. Like I want it to be
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: about the products that I make, not about me.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: How do you think your husband feels about being married
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to somebody who has built.
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: Being mister Kane?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like who is I mean, you've built something really remarkable.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think he's just so proud, Like
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: we got married when I was twenty three. So we've
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: been together a lot. I know, we've been together a
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: long time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry what I know.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I look back now because I horseback ride and I
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: have a whole range of ages of women that I
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: horseback ride with, and a couple of them are like
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: in their early twenties, just graduated from USC and things
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: like that, and I look at them, I'm like, oh
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: my gosh, I cannot believe I was engaged at this stage.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Wait, like you picked your life partner mmmmm, and you
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: just knew? Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I like, as I said earlier, I definitely had I
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: had lived and my husband's thirteen years older, and all
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: his friends were married, and he was really looking for
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: the right woman, and it just was right.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: There was never a question. And yeah, it's been like
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: almost twenty years.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: It's so fun. Okay, I always do a little rapid fire. Okay,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: what is your best hit for dealing with clutter less?
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Is more?
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: Clean it out? I love a closet, cleanout, pantry, clean out,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: any of that. Give things to friends, sell things, get
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: rid of it, donate. How often are you cleaning out?
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Minimum twice a year if not four times?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love a clean out. I feel it makes
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: me feel lighter. Yes, and it makes getting dressed easier.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Way easier.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: And I always I don't buy very much, but I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: always am like, why do I have all this? I know? Yeah, okay,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: if you had a go to uniform, which I know
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you do, what is your uniform.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: High waisted pair of trousers, t shirt, great sweater, pair of.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Mules, favorite lifestyle brand that's not your own?
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: I would say Ralph Lauren as like an icon and
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: the Row as what I actually want to buy. What's
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: a dream that you've tucked away for the moment to
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: live in Santinaez on a ranch.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: What is a book that changed your life something you
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: think everybody should read.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: As a parent, I think Untangled is like the most
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: magical book for raising girls, and then as a book
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: to get lost in.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: I just read Horse I.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: Obviously am a horse lover, but it was an incredible
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: read and normally it takes me like a vacation to
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: read it, and I read it.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: In a week. Are you on Horse Girl? TikTok?
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: No do I need? I'm not on TikTok.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: This is where I'm like on TikTok, except for the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: horse girl. Really okay, I'll send you some up there. Okay, Okay,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Jenny Kine, you know the best of everything, so help
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: a girl out. What is the best luxury hotel?
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: The Almungari in Utah?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: The best chickeest little known spot.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I love Bluey's by my office.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: What is the best hostess gift?
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: A Jenny Kane candle?
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: The best think you note or card? I like sugar paper,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: the best wine.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: The best wine I like. I like aveline because I
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: clean natural wine.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Do you think natural makes a difference? I do.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, as I've gotten older, it's really hard to
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: sleep after I drink wine and not with Aveleine.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: What's the best candle?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: Jenny Kane, I mean Mayandaville. I love ash is another favorite?
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ash is another one. Yes, I haven't tried ash yet.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Ash is great for the winter.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I actually got Mandeville because of a girl on TikTok
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? Really? Yeah, because I had it. I
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: forgot which one I happen I had a different one. Yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and I do like man Yeah, me too. Okay. What
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: is the best blanket A Jenny Knell pocket blanket. What
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: is the best piece of advice anybody has given you.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I think less is more and that would be my mother.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And what is the best way to say thank you?
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: I think sending something meaningful, So like, for instance, my
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: girlfriend Mollie sent me a basket from Italy with a
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: recipe from I Swoon with all the ingredients so like
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: fresh tomatoes, the best pasta, basil, everything right there, so
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: that like she knew I would love it. Dinner was done,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: It was pretty awesome.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That is fantastic. What a good friend?
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Under recet, right, what is the smartest decision you've ever
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: made hiring a partner? If you don't mind grabbing the
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: question cards right there and pulling one out which everyone
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: calls you.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: What's your all time most memorable meal?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I would say Il Pilicano pesta pasta
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: in Italy.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what time it is. Today's a good day.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: To have a good day. I'll see you next week.