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Trade Deadline Reactions: Cardinals sell, Pirates add, Skenes slump · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory host regional cable superstar Jim Hayes joining us
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  Speaker 1: right now to talk Cardinals. Good to see you, my friend,
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  Speaker 1: and great episode of the other day.
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  Speaker 2: Now you look.
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  Speaker 1: Great, well, I mean literally you're not figuratively we could
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  Speaker 1: say whatever, right, but literally you are right side up.
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  Speaker 1: And the Cardinals are what after the trade deadline, filling
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  Speaker 1: the blank.
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  Speaker 3: Doing their thing, which is what we expected. I'm Bloom
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  Speaker 3: said that when he took over, he said, look, our
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  Speaker 3: goal is to be chasing World Series year after year,
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  Speaker 3: as opposed to going all in and working for the
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  Speaker 3: short term. So what they did was they got rid
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  Speaker 3: of guys that won't be with the team next year anyway.
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  Speaker 3: They rented them in some cases like they did to
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  Speaker 3: the Brewers, for guys that could help that long term goal.
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  Speaker 3: So their stockpilo a bunch of talent that's controllable for
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  Speaker 3: years to come. And not every prospect. I mean they
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  Speaker 3: loaded up with prospects. Now, not everyone's gonna hit, but
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  Speaker 3: the best way to beat the odds is with volume,
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  Speaker 3: and they have stockpiled a ton of minor league talent
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  Speaker 3: that they hope will pay dividends down the road. And
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  Speaker 3: looking around them with the pundits like AJ and people
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  Speaker 3: of nssenal statures say, Cardinals made out pretty well. So
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  Speaker 3: the question is, now, what's gonna be for the rest
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  Speaker 3: of the season. They're gonna look, get a look at
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  Speaker 3: some of their pictures, make decisions on certain guys, and
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  Speaker 3: now they'll have runway. But there's no question this is
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  Speaker 3: a team built for the future.
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  Speaker 4: Does it mean that they're gonna punt for the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the season. What do we expect to see from
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  Speaker 4: the Cardinals for the rest of the season? Pictures that
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  Speaker 4: don't strike, a lot of guys out hitters that had
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  Speaker 4: a really hot start. Who is going to be the
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  Speaker 4: one that's going to carry the rest of this team
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  Speaker 4: or the guys into next season?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the starting case and has actually been pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they've been healthy, they've spaced out their guys,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of young guys that haven't been a major
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  Speaker 3: league starter for the entire season, but they space them
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  Speaker 3: out and everyone seems pretty fresh. And you look at
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  Speaker 3: some of the guys outings recently, it looks like they're
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  Speaker 3: not worn down at all. So that's good and I
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  Speaker 3: think that's the building block. A lot of the guys
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  Speaker 3: that we're hitting are not hitting right now, but that happens.
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  Speaker 3: You go through some good offensive spurts and some bad ones.
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  Speaker 3: I think the bottom of the batting order is kind
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  Speaker 3: of what weighs them down. There was a stretch for
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  Speaker 3: all those guys were contributing, and that made the lineup
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  Speaker 3: even more dangerous. But they have a lot of guys
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  Speaker 3: that go on hot streets and hopefully, look, they're not
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  Speaker 3: out of anything yet. It's gonna be really yeomen's work
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  Speaker 3: to get back into a good place in the playoff picture.
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  Speaker 3: But they have the talent. And I'll tell you this
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  Speaker 3: about this ball club. You know they don't get down
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  Speaker 3: when they lose. I've never seen this before. You can
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  Speaker 3: usually get a vibe that the team has exhaled and
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  Speaker 3: maybe they realize it's over. That's not the case with
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  Speaker 3: this bunk level. A lot of young guys who just
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  Speaker 3: want to show what they can do. So I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: count them out yet, but I understand it is a
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  Speaker 3: long shot for them to get back in a good
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  Speaker 3: position again. Pitching's been good, hitting has been hit or miss.
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  Speaker 3: The bullpen needs a little help because they've lost a
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  Speaker 3: lot of games with guys in the bullpen, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't know what's going to change that.
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  Speaker 5: Jim, you mentioned the trade deadline and you say, oh,
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  Speaker 5: they got rid of it, but you know, they still
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  Speaker 5: had some pieces that could have been traded, whether it's
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  Speaker 5: a Herrera Burlason, you know they had some pieces that
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  Speaker 5: were available I would think to be traded that aren't
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  Speaker 5: gonna I don't think be around. You know the next
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  Speaker 5: three four years. Were you satisfied that really? I mean,
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  Speaker 5: New bar Dust, Demand, Jojo Romero were the only ones
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  Speaker 5: that were traded? Or should hem Bloom been able to
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  Speaker 5: do more?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I think he's done a really good job of
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  Speaker 3: stockpilot talent. The only surprise for me was that they
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  Speaker 3: didn't deal it Catcher because they have a backlog of
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  Speaker 3: talented young catching. I thought one of those guys might
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  Speaker 3: be involved in a trade. Didn't happen.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you do?
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  Speaker 3: You hold them late guys try to get better in
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  Speaker 3: the minor leagues, and they see what they have next year.
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  Speaker 3: I think it'd be I think it'd be a bad complaint.
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  Speaker 3: I think it'd be a meritless complaint to say they
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  Speaker 3: could have done more because we need more, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Top fifteen top thirty prospects they have loaded up, and
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  Speaker 3: now we'll see which ones make it. That's when I
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  Speaker 3: think the question marks can come in if guys don't
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  Speaker 3: pan out. But I think everyone kind of knew what
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  Speaker 3: IIM was gonna do. Maybe they thought there would be
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  Speaker 3: an extra move or two. It's ironic that Jonazaylok's doing
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  Speaker 3: the same thing now with the Angels. But yeah, overall,
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  Speaker 3: I would say he gets good grades for what they
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  Speaker 3: got in return for what they gave up. I think
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  Speaker 3: that's fair.
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  Speaker 4: Basically, young guys are on this team. Are you surprised
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  Speaker 4: there's no more stension talks than a little bit that
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  Speaker 4: they've had so far.
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  Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, you know, one of the guys, I
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  Speaker 3: would have liked to have them lock up early. And
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  Speaker 3: it's just me. It's not my money. Mason win, because
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  Speaker 3: I think if you're rebuilding, you could start with JJ
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  Speaker 3: who got the bag already, and Mason went up the middle.
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  Speaker 3: That's a pretty good place to start. Mason's under team
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  Speaker 3: control for another few years, will be arbitration eligible, But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's not my money, and I don't know, you know,
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  Speaker 3: based on what's going to go on with the labor situation.
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  Speaker 3: Who you want to spend that money on right now?
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  Speaker 3: Mason has had sort of a down year offensively, though
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  Speaker 3: he's coming out of it now. I'm a big believer
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  Speaker 3: in what he can be at the play. We've already
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  Speaker 3: seen defensively that he's elite level defense. That's one guy
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  Speaker 3: look at. I'm not surprised they didn't trade Burley. They
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  Speaker 3: still have a couple of years of control for him,
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  Speaker 3: and he's getting better and better. And then what happened
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  Speaker 3: with Burley, Ali told him you're not being traded, goes
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  Speaker 3: out and he hits three home runs at Yankee Stadium.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty good. I'm a big Burley guy, I mean not
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  Speaker 3: just physically, but I believe in uh In Alan Burlison.
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  Speaker 5: I bet I bet you do there, Jim, I bet
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  Speaker 5: you do. Who else do they have? How were are
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  Speaker 5: they about their pitching? I know you kind of mentioned
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  Speaker 5: their pitching is in a good spot, but are there
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  Speaker 5: are a lot of these guys are younger guys, they're
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  Speaker 5: getting to limits and there pitching, I mean they're they're
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  Speaker 5: they're libatoor and and Polante who pitched really well last night.
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  Speaker 5: But are they worried about the last month of this season.
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  Speaker 5: Are they going to have depth issues going forward? I
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  Speaker 5: know they're still technically alive for the wild card.
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  Speaker 3: So they got Dobbins plugged in right because they got
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  Speaker 3: rid of May. They sent Quinn Matthews down who had
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  Speaker 3: one start and they've shut him back, and he pitched
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  Speaker 3: pretty well. I think it was four or five innings,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of strikeouts. He's still working on his control
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  Speaker 3: because he walks a lot of guys. But then they
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  Speaker 3: have other guys down there. They got Mox, they got
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  Speaker 3: ten or they have other prospects down there who seem
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  Speaker 3: to be major league starting rotation type guys. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: saying they're ones or twos. Who knows what they're going
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  Speaker 3: to be, but I think they have more depth of
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  Speaker 3: guys that can step in and look, we're most of
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  Speaker 3: the way through the season. I don't think you have
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  Speaker 3: to worry about Polante. They've spaced out McGreevy and he
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  Speaker 3: seems to answer the bell every time he gets the call.
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  Speaker 3: Layy is a guy who when he was in the
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  Speaker 3: bullpen wanted the ball every day. Now, granted it's different
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  Speaker 3: than being a starter, but he always had a rubber arm,
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  Speaker 3: and he says he feels great physically. This is as
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  Speaker 3: good as he's felt as a professional athlete, and he's
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  Speaker 3: gotten better and better. So yes, near are questions, But
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  Speaker 3: right now it doesn't look like this is the area
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  Speaker 3: of need for the Cardinals because the starting rotation has
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  Speaker 3: been pretty solid in for like the second year in
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  Speaker 3: a row. They haven't had a major injury in the
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  Speaker 3: starting rotation, which is odd because in baseball everyone loses
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  Speaker 3: pieces of that starting rotation.
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  Speaker 4: We hear all the time from the Brewers about the
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  Speaker 4: you know, Dustin May is going to be so nasty.
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  Speaker 4: Do you feel like the Brewers got more value in
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  Speaker 4: the trade from Jojo Romero or from Dustin May?
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  Speaker 3: I think May, because look, the Brewers have had injury,
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  Speaker 3: they've had good starting pitching, but they've always dealt with injuries.
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  Speaker 3: And when Maine is on, and you know this quest
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  Speaker 3: isy on or not, they always talk about with him
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  Speaker 3: when he's in rhythm, right, when his mechanics are good,
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  Speaker 3: he's nasty and talking to Dusty Blake, the pitching coach,
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  Speaker 3: they know when he's in a good spot. And when
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  Speaker 3: he's in a good spot, he goes out there and
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  Speaker 3: pitches like a veteran pitcher who's pitched at you know,
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  Speaker 3: the major league level for a long time, battled through
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of injuries. But he's healthy now and I
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  Speaker 3: think he will help them for this year because he's
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  Speaker 3: a rental and Jojo. Look, he just had his appendix
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  Speaker 3: out last I talked to him. He was just getting
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  Speaker 3: started with with baseball activities. But he's a guy that's shown,
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  Speaker 3: you know, at a high level, he can be a
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  Speaker 3: leverage guy that gets left these out and I think
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  Speaker 3: that would help any ball club. So parental guys, I
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  Speaker 3: think the Brewers accomplished a lot. Now I'm not in
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  Speaker 3: their minor league system. I'm not a Brewers fan. The
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  Speaker 3: question is that they gave up too much with the
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  Speaker 3: prospect and I'll say it again because they see guys
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  Speaker 3: kind of rolling their eyes. Prospects are just that prospects.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know, you know what they're going to be.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know who's gonna hit. Maybe they're scratch off
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  Speaker 3: lottery tickets. But the truth is, when you buy a
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  Speaker 3: lot of scratch off lottery tickets, your chances are better
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  Speaker 3: to hit one of them. And I think the Cardinals
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  Speaker 3: have done a pretty good job with that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Jim, you're such a Homer. There's such a Homer cap,
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  Speaker 2: there's such a home.
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  Speaker 3: What what what do you want me to say? The
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  Speaker 3: prospects or what? What a jas? Wait?
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  Speaker 2: Well, were you gonna say the prospects? What about the prospects?
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  Speaker 3: You want me to say that they'll never pan out? You know? Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Clip that, you clip that, you sound like that, You
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  Speaker 3: sound like you sound like land Lit Lancelin in Cardinal
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  Speaker 3: territory today. Try to get me on one of those, right,
• 11:05
  Speaker 3: and uh? And the truth is I try to be
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  Speaker 3: fair about these things. Yes, I cover the Cardinals. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna admit it. I'm kind of a Cardinal fan,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm not I'm not afraid to criticize things when
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  Speaker 3: they deserve criticism. But the thing is, when you're talking
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  Speaker 3: about dealing rental players for prospects, you don't really know
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  Speaker 3: what you have until it's time for the prospects to
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  Speaker 3: deliver on the promise. So the second guess and now
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  Speaker 3: seems chilly? There you go? Clip that on?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, We know we clipped the right thing.
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  Speaker 5: The prospects are terrible, don't wry all over the wait
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  Speaker 5: do I send that to him?
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  Speaker 2: Man?
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  Speaker 5: This is your sideline reporter, So do I wait, do
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  Speaker 5: I text Ali? By the way, speaking of Oli, how
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  Speaker 5: much credit does Oli deserve this year?
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  Speaker 2: Not John Jay, not Daniel.
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  Speaker 5: De Scalson, not Pop Warner, not Stubby claud none of
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  Speaker 5: those guys.
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  Speaker 2: How much? How much does Oli Marvel.
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  Speaker 5: Deserve as far as what he's done and how this
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  Speaker 5: team has performed a ton?
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  Speaker 3: And I'll tell you why because you just mentioned first
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  Speaker 3: all his assistants, and Ali's a guy that said that
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  Speaker 3: wants his assistant coaches to talk to the media, to
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  Speaker 3: show what they do, what they're working on. And that's
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  Speaker 3: Oli being kind of selfless. But here's the thing about
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  Speaker 3: Olie Marlboro. I've been in that clubhouse good times, bad times.
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  Speaker 3: Now a very young team. The players play for him, right,
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  Speaker 3: the players soon quit. Ali has a unique way of
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  Speaker 3: one relating to his players, to dealing with guys in
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  Speaker 3: the front office and even the media. And I love
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  Speaker 3: that guy. It gives me a hard time, just like
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  Speaker 3: Lance Lynn or Aj Prazinski that I never played the game.
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  Speaker 3: But for a little guy who walks around like he's
• 12:48
  Speaker 3: got groceries under his arms, Olie Marvel relates well to everybody.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, I did say he walks around like he
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  Speaker 3: has groceries under his arms. Clip that off. So we
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  Speaker 3: do it, doctor Phillips. Jim, So we do it, doctor Phillips.
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  Speaker 5: I we're jacked and we're we're great, very intelligent baseball people.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we do.
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  Speaker 3: No, you're you're I gotta say you were smart when
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  Speaker 3: back when I first met you, when you were the
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  Speaker 3: rusty nail that Mazelan was throwing into the pile and
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  Speaker 3: everyone was like, what's this guy? And everybody loved you
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  Speaker 3: and you were smart. And I'll say it again. You
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  Speaker 3: told me, Hey, Jim, by the way, you're a sideline reporter.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know I'm still playing and I already I
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  Speaker 3: already have two National Emmys. I'm better at your job
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  Speaker 3: and I'm still well. Maybe it's three now, back then
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  Speaker 3: it was two.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Sorry to keep patting on, Jim. You lose count
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  Speaker 5: after a while. Count after your game?
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  Speaker 3: Pick your game? Would you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 2: I love you, Jim. You're the best.
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  Speaker 3: You're the best. No, you are the best. You guys
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  Speaker 3: are great, and uh, I hope we're like our producer director.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what you guys call it. George asked
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  Speaker 3: me to tell you guys, he's doing a great job.
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: He is. Because here's a thing. When you're dealing with
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: professional athletes, like putting together a podcast, it's like hurting cats.
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  Speaker 3: You know why, because all of you are sitting on
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  Speaker 3: millions of dollars and don't need any of this crap.
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  Speaker 3: But you do it. But you're going to do it
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  Speaker 3: on your own time train. You're going to do it
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  Speaker 3: the way you want to do it. So a lot
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  Speaker 3: of times we're ready to do the podcast and no
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  Speaker 3: one has answered if they're in or not, and we
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  Speaker 3: have to sit there and wait for the professional athletes
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  Speaker 3: to pop in so we can do the podcast. So
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  Speaker 3: aj I would say, of all the guys you Lance,
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  Speaker 3: Kyles Gibson is a nicer guy. My Holiday, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: who's on sometimes, is also great. But you guys do
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: it your way and that's that. And for a sideline reporter,
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: just some little fella who's hanging on for dear life
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  Speaker 3: in his profession, I have to deal with people like
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  Speaker 3: you and for your partners up there. I know you're
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  Speaker 3: the rusty nail. They not along with you a lot,
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  Speaker 3: which is cool because you're the big guy with the
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  Speaker 3: groceries and everything. But when I watch your podcast. I
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  Speaker 3: enjoy it because I think you guys do a great job.
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  Speaker 3: There are sucked up to you.
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  Speaker 5: But by the way, Jim, let me just say this
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  Speaker 5: for the record, I've never been late, and I'm always
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  Speaker 5: here when I need to be, So let's just always
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  Speaker 5: let's just throw that out there. I don't know who
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  Speaker 5: you're dealing with, but I am never late.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I might be here in old fifty eight like I
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  Speaker 5: was today, but I'm not late.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, you know who I'm dealing with, Okay. And there's
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  Speaker 3: a little a j and there's a little aging Prazinski
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  Speaker 3: in every former professional athlete. That's the truth.
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  Speaker 1: What's the saying about like if you're if you're not
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  Speaker 1: early or late or something, you gotta be x amount
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  Speaker 1: of minute early.
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  Speaker 3: Right, first time? Game time is on time? Right? And
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: the other one it's my father used to tell me.
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  Speaker 3: If you're always early, you're never late. My family doesn't
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: believe in that. I do. If you're always early, you're
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  Speaker 3: never late, and then there's no panic. Like last time
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  Speaker 3: I went on I was upside down on foul Territory.
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  Speaker 3: That was that's a national broadcast, it's a national podcast,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm upside down this time for early early, I
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  Speaker 3: was here early, ready to go.
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• 16:25
  Speaker 3: More thing, lance Lynn, Yes, lance Linn went after all
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: the owners you know about the Dodgers, and it got
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  Speaker 3: like six hundred maybe seven hundred thousand views. All right,
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  Speaker 3: lance Lynn is instant offense. Now, he's still a performer
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: professional athlete, so getting him to do it is is
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: still like hurting cats.
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  Speaker 7: There it is.
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  Speaker 1: There's twenty nine billionaires bitching about another billionaire doing it
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: better than they can do it. Lance Lynn saying other
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  Speaker 1: teams should take a page out of the Dodgers book,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: and here come the comments.
• 16:59
  Speaker 7: We can't there. It's not fair you guys only like
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: the Dodgers.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, Well, that's that's true. And for smaller market teams
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: investing in one guy who could blow out his arm,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: then you're handicapped for a long long time. So I'm
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: not saying lance is totally wrong, but I think in fairness,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: which I try to be AJ. I think there's nuance
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: to that, and I don't think every owner even though
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: the value of the team doesn't go down if they
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: have a bad season. I get all that, I understand everything,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: but the truth is cost certainty is still a very
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: important thing for a lot of teams. Now you have
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: a labor situation that could cause a lockout. You had
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: basically that TV deals collapsing, so every team is making
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: less money on that. So it's a different situation for
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: different teams, and I think to the view on that
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: from my perspective, has to be more nuanced. Look up
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: that word. Look up, look up that word AJ.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: It's more than one syllable. It's a syllable Jim.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: What he's saying is revenue sharing is caring, but revenue
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: sharing means spend it on your actual team and not
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: real estate, spend it on players.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I'm for that, but there's got to be a balance
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: to help teams that don't have a TV deal like
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers do because of a divorce many years ago
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: and tax implications that make it freaking hilarious now. They
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: did also with shohe understand the value of him, because
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: my guess is probably paid off his contract because he's
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: so valuable. From a fan marketing, merch perspective, the Dodgers
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: saw that. Other people didn't, you know, other teams had
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: a chance at that. I get all that, But still,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: the smaller markets just don't have the resources that a
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: team like the Dodgers have. So again, I think the
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: perspective on that should be more nuanced.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Don't. They don't have a village in less Field either,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: where their old stadium used to be. All this small market.
• 19:03
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• 19:05
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• 19:08
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• 19:11
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• 19:14
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• 19:19
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• 19:23
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• 19:25
  Speaker 7: Jim, I'm sure you've never heard that.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Before forty they lost forty they lost forty billion dollars,
• 19:30
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• 19:34
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• 19:37
  Speaker 1: No, Jim, I'm sure you've never heard this but there's
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: a there's an old saying, it's not you, it's me.
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  Speaker 7: How you doing. How is the deadline for the Pirates?
• 21:35
  Speaker 8: It was good, and I think the Pirates.
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: I'm doing well and I think the Pirates had a
• 21:39
  Speaker 9: good deadline. The results haven't necessarily been there because all
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: they went out and did was go get bullpen pitching.
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: And that's not the issue right now, ironically, although it
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: has been for them all season. The bullpen hasn't really
• 21:51
  Speaker 9: been needed because right now they're not scoring a lot
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: of runs and their starting rotation isn't doing a great
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: job either, which has allowed them to fall on this
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: little skid. But if they ever need a bullpen, they've
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: got a better one.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Now that's fair, No, I guess it happens.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It is no, So wait, they don't have a good bullpen.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: They're starting pitching stinks and they can in That sounds
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: like a terrible recipe to win games in baseball.
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: And that's why they've lost.
• 22:17
  Speaker 9: I mean, if they lose today in Milwaukee, I think
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: they will have lost every series since the All Star Break,
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: aside from the first one out of the break. They
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: took two or three in Cleveland, and then they lost
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: two or three in New York. They lost two or
• 22:29
  Speaker 9: three against the Cubs, then to the Diamondbacks. It's just
• 22:32
  Speaker 9: been a really tough go for them. Three or four
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: they fell over the last weekend in Cincinnati and now
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: they're looking to split in a four gamer against the Brewers.
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: And yeah, their offense is fallen cold. I mean, they're
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: really really struggling against left handed pitching, especially yesterday with
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: eight straight strikeouts there, but overall, yeah, and then the
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: starting rotation, which was supposed to be the primary strength
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: of this team. It hasn't been horrible, but it's it's
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: nowhere near good enough to get by right now, especially
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: with the offense struggling.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: Like it is all right, We're just going right to it,
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: he said, starting rotation, Paul Skeens, Do you fear there
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: is an injury? And I don't care about velocity, downtick
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: all that stuff. Plenty of good pitchers control their velocity
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: and then up ticket when it needs to be. To me,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: when I watch the control doesn't seem to be what
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: it was when he was elite Paul Skins. Now he's
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: just really above average Paul Skins. But what do you see?
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: No, I'm seeing the same thing, Eric. I mean, you're
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: seeing a guy who I think is the command just
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: isn't as sharp.
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: The location just isn't there. And to me, that says
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: one of two things.
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: He is either injured and not telling anyone, which is
• 23:48
  Speaker 9: a major problem. I don't anticipate that being the case,
• 23:51
  Speaker 9: because I mean, how many players are more important to
• 23:54
  Speaker 9: their franchise than Paul skiings here in Pittsburgh if there
• 23:57
  Speaker 9: was even something remotely wrong physically, I'd have to assume
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: he'd be on the il right now. So it leads
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: me to believe it's probably the second thing in my mind,
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: and that's just fatigue.
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: I don't know if.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: It's World Baseball Classic. I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: Maybe it was something different he did in the off season.
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: But when a guy's velocity's going down, which I know
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: isn't like the primary concern for me either, but when
• 24:23
  Speaker 9: you pair that with his command just not being able
• 24:26
  Speaker 9: to execute pitches on the edges of the zone, and
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: you see his stuff kind of take a drop off
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: after the first time through the order. He looks good
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: on his good days through the first three innings, and
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: then you look at yesterday. Fourth inning is where it
• 24:43
  Speaker 9: kind of starts to get away. I mean, he's walking
• 24:45
  Speaker 9: more batters. He's had back to back starts with four walks.
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: I don't know if he's ever done that in his
• 24:49
  Speaker 9: career prior to these back to back games. So I
• 24:53
  Speaker 9: think it's fatigue, probably not injury. But the only person
• 24:56
  Speaker 9: who really knows the answer here is Paul Schemes himself.
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Why wouldn't he say anything if he was injured, that's
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: the only thing. Was he just trying to gut through it,
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: because I mean, I know, you guys say, don't look
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: at the velocity, but his velocity is down a significant amount.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: It's not one or two ticks, it's three or four ticks,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: which is a big deal. And I'm sorry, you know
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: you can you know you and Eric just said, don't
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: look at the velocity. But that's the first indication of
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: something not being right. And then you add in his
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: command is down, Well, if something is bothering you, then
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: you have to change your mechanics, which then lead to
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: your command being off.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying he's hurt, but I think the velocity
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: is a big deal.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: And that's I mean, everyone kind of does too.
• 25:41
  Speaker 9: But then every time he gets asked about it, he
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: tells anyone who will listen, that's not a big deal,
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: that it's by design, that he's not concerned about it,
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: and all he can do is kind of take his
• 25:51
  Speaker 9: word for it, right, And it's like, Okay, well, if
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: it's not a big deal, then why is it not higher?
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: Like if it's by design, then why are the rest
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: of the pitches not effective, right, Because if theoretically, if
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: you're trying to take your velo down to go deeper
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: into ball games, then you should be going deeper into
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: ball games, and he's not doing that, then your secondary
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: stuff should be playing off of it just as effectively.
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: And it's just not like every pitch he throws is
• 26:17
  Speaker 9: less effective than it was last year. It's not just
• 26:20
  Speaker 9: the fastball due to its velocity. The fastball still is
• 26:23
  Speaker 9: best pitch. It's just the secondary stuff he cannot spot it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: There were multiple instances yesterday and like the fourth inning,
• 26:31
  Speaker 9: if you look like the sweeper, that thing he could
• 26:34
  Speaker 9: he used to be able to unbutton someone's shirt with
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: that thing, or the slider, or just so many different
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: pitches that he has in his repertoire, and none of
• 26:41
  Speaker 9: them are going exactly where he wants him to go
• 26:42
  Speaker 9: right now.
• 26:43
  Speaker 8: You pair that with the velocity.
• 26:45
  Speaker 9: It leads the long innings, it leads to high pitch counts,
• 26:48
  Speaker 9: and it leads to walks and mistakes, and that's how
• 26:50
  Speaker 9: you get two. I think he's like at a three
• 26:53
  Speaker 9: nine eight RA but basically a four ERA for a
• 26:56
  Speaker 9: guy who entering this year had back to back years
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: of a sub two era.
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: Right, Well, this team turns it around, they make the playoffs.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Is he the number one starter in Game one?
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: I think so, just because I don't see a scenario
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: where this team makes the playoffs if Paul Skeins doesn't
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: turn it around. I mean, we could talk about the
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: offense struggling against left handed pitching, we could talk about
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: how bad the bullpen's been this year. The reality is,
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: if you're the Pirates and Paul Skeins isn't your best
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: player down this stretch, then you have no chance. And
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: I know he's just one guy on a roster of
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: twenty six. I know they have a lot of other
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: talented pitchers, but he is the difference maker on this
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: team that their opponents don't have when Paul Skeins is
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: at his best. How many teams that they're gonna be
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: playing from now until the end of September have someone
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: who can match him pitch for pitch. Not many, and
• 27:46
  Speaker 9: who knows if they're gonna be pitching against.
• 27:47
  Speaker 8: Him that day. So they need him to be the
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: old Paul Skins.
• 27:51
  Speaker 9: There's something really close to it, and we really just
• 27:54
  Speaker 9: have not seen that player this year, not since April
• 27:56
  Speaker 9: or early May. He's had some wins, he's had some
• 28:00
  Speaker 9: start some of them have been in July. But I mean,
• 28:03
  Speaker 9: you look at his last three wins, guys, or even
• 28:05
  Speaker 9: the last three times the Pirates have won.
• 28:07
  Speaker 8: When he's on the mound.
• 28:08
  Speaker 9: He's got tremendous run support. He's not pitching in high
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: stress situations. He's kind of been able to coast. And
• 28:15
  Speaker 9: I mean, I'm not gonna take those wins away from
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: him or those good outings away from them.
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: But so many times prior to this.
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: Year, we saw Paul Schins keep the Pirates in a
• 28:25
  Speaker 9: one nothing game through seven innings or eight innings, or
• 28:27
  Speaker 9: just say, get on my back, we're gonna win this game.
• 28:30
  Speaker 9: That's the player they need right now, when your offense
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: is struggling, when your bullpen is inconsistent, even though you
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: added at the deadline, they need their horse to be
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: a horse. And right now, I don't know if it's
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: reasonable to expect him to deliver anything more than five
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: to six innings and around three to four earned runs.
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: That's the pitcher he's been pretty much for the greater
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: part of three fourths of this season.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's firir. Let's go to the offense a little bit.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: They spend big money on the marsolo A Zuna this
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: offseason least, plus he didn't really give him anything other
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: than just a lot of outs, right So, and then
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: O'Hearn's on the aisle.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: He's had a good year.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Is there enough enough offense on this team to carry
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: him through their struggles? I mean, some guys have had
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: nice years, but is there enough offense to carry him
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: through this struggles?
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: I think there is as a whole.
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: I mean, they're gonna get O'Neil Cruz back here in
• 29:24
  Speaker 9: the next couple of weeks. That'll be nice. They just
• 29:26
  Speaker 9: got Spencer Horowitz back. I mean against right handed pitching,
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: this is still a really good lineup. The problem is
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: they've been running into a lot of lefties. And let
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: me read off the names of the right handed hitters
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: on this team, Roe Flores, just Instant Garcia as Merlin Valdez.
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: Those are three rookies right there, and then the other
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: non rookies are Nick and Zalez, Jared Triolo, and Henry Davis.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: Only one of those players.
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: Had an above LEA has had an above LEA gaverage ops,
• 29:51
  Speaker 9: and that's Nick and Zalez. This year as Merlin Valdez
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: had an amazing month of July, but we're starting to
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: see him come back down to earth a little bit.
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: They have some switch hit but all of those guys
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: are much more productive hitters on the left side. And
• 30:04
  Speaker 9: then they're really big acquisitions and just their true difference makers.
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: Lao O'Hearn, Horowitz, Cruz.
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: Those are left handed bats and most of those guys
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: are not very effective against left handed pitching. So if
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: they can run into a string of right handers and
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: kind of get lucky with waste of the schedule lays.
• 30:22
  Speaker 8: Out, then their offense will get going.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: I think Cruz just coming back in general gives them
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: more offensively. If they could stay alive until Connor Griffin
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: can return in mid September, then sure they're gonna be better.
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: But I mean, they've been banged up all year. Losing
• 30:36
  Speaker 9: O'Hearn is tough for a multitude of reasons. They just
• 30:40
  Speaker 9: the ozunathing killed them all year because that was the
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: one guy that they depended on to give them some
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: form of slug threat against the lefty, and he didn't perform.
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: And when you don't have that one bat to look
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: out for, you're asking guys who just you're asking guys
• 30:58
  Speaker 9: to do things they probably just cannot do consistently against
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: left handed pitching, and that creates a volatile lineup whenever
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: you face a southpaw that's been their problem.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Who ends up winning the MVP of this team? If
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: if this team makes the playoffs? I already asked about
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: the pitching. Is it Brian Reynolds, Is it Brandon lo
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Is it player X?
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: I would say, I mean, I would say it probably
• 31:25
  Speaker 9: be Lao. I think he's just been there. He's been
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: such a valuable acquisition. Him and ohearn both they both
• 31:32
  Speaker 9: kind of reminded me of the Russell Martin signing the
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: last time this team was a playoff team. They went
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: and got that established veteran that you know provides a
• 31:41
  Speaker 9: steady presence in the clubhouse but also backs it up
• 31:44
  Speaker 9: on the field with production. Lowes has just been so
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: good and O'Hearn probably would have been in this conversation too,
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: if he just didn't suffer a big injury.
• 31:52
  Speaker 8: And they've had other guys.
• 31:53
  Speaker 9: I thought Connor Griffin could have been in the argument
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: for that until he got hurt, But yeah, it would.
• 31:58
  Speaker 8: Probably be Lao. They needed to be schemes.
• 32:00
  Speaker 9: Though, if like I said before, if they're gonna make
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: the playoffs, Skins has to be their best player throughout
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: the remainder of the season. I don't know if that
• 32:08
  Speaker 9: can happen, but if he can find some magic and
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: become Paul Skins from twenty twenty five, then even if
• 32:16
  Speaker 9: that that erases all the struggles because he's still got
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: I don't know what seven eight starts left, maybe something
• 32:23
  Speaker 9: a little less than that. If they can win all
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: of those games or go seven to one and the
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: remainder of those games, they're probably making the playoffs because
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: they're they're winning at like a five hundred great without
• 32:34
  Speaker 9: him or even more so. That's that's the key here.
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: It really does come back to Skins. Although if you're
• 32:40
  Speaker 9: looking at a big picture low is their MVP.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Wow, Okay, good acquisition, then good acquisition for the very
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: good the Pirates, very good acquisition in Brandon Loud. Yeah,
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: so that's good. That's great to news. I mean, we're
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: rooting for him, We're all rooted for the Pirates. But
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: it's just interesting that the Pirates and the Rangers had
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: basically the same record and the Rangers went out and
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: bought and all this confidence, and the Rangers went out
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: and didn't do anything.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: 're like, we have no chance.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: One of them's in the playoffs right now. One of
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: them isn't in a playoff spot.
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, I mean you look.
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: I think the Pirates made some nice moves. I mean
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: they needed right handed pitching. I think they probably acquired
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: the best reliever that was moved this deadline, or one
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: of them and Weaver. I think Yates is a good
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: addition to that clubhouse. I think there are a lot
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: of young guys in that bullpen who probably could use
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: a veteran who's seen as much as Kirby Yates has
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: and gives that perspective and he's a better alternative than
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: really any other right hander that they had to choose from.
• 33:41
  Speaker 9: And then Lake Baker is a nice little long term edition,
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: a guy who can give them a little bit more
• 33:46
  Speaker 9: length in that bullpen.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: So yeah, I think they made their bullpen better.
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: But they probably could have used the right handed bat,
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: probably could have used another starter. It didn't feel like
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: they got the investment financially that they probably should have received.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: While they were able to add a lot of they
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: added four major league right handers if you include Dovevall
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: into that mix, who they got a couple of days
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: prior to the deadline. You know, two of the guys
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: they brought in had salary covered by the teams that
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: traded them away, and Yates is on an expiring deal
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: he's a rental and Balker's pre art, so they were
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: able to pretty much keep the finances even when you
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: consider that they moved Joey Bart that was a salary dump,
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: same for Archidi jose Arkhidy, and then they traded that
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: comp pick which it was worth a couple million bucks.
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: So like they kept the books even they got the
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: team better. But if they would have maybe added a
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: little bit more in payroll probably and added another established
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: rental right handed bat to help with their left he woes,
• 34:42
  Speaker 9: or maybe even another starter to help cover some innings,
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: because this young rotation is clearly running out of gas,
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: they'd probably be in a better situation heading into this
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: final stretch.
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: My last one. Then, how's the city?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Are they feeling better than they have for a while?
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You know, I feel like there's a lot of PTSD,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of hurt recently from the city or
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: something recently it's been like ten years now, so do
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: you feel like they heal fast and they're like, we're good.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: You know what was the reaction just now at the deadline,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: like you mentioned, I mean, it's still the same overlying theme.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I get it right, Like we can't add money at
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the deadline. They did add money and the offseason money
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: is not everything, but it's it damn made a difference.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: Helps to get the team to relevancy. It helped a lot.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: And we're not asking for the world here, We're just
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: asking for, you know, a little bit to help the boys.
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: I'd say.
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: I mean people are disappointed. I mean they went into
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: the All Star Break winning four of their last six,
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: including a three game sweep over the Milwaukee Brewers, a
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: team that pirates really just can never beat. And then
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: they came out and took two or three from the Guards.
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: And they had this big home stand a couple of
• 35:53
  Speaker 9: weekends ago against the Cubs and the Diamondbacks, two teams
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: that were just ahead of them in the wildcard standings,
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: an opportunity to really build some ground, and.
• 36:04
  Speaker 8: They just didn't do anything with that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: And it's been really dejecting over the last week to
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: see them lose three or four against the Reds. I
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: think they gained a little bit momentum in the town
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: to see the bullpen being addressed. People were excited because
• 36:18
  Speaker 9: the bar is so low here.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: Anytime they're even five hundred, people start to believe.
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: And yeah, I mean if they lose today, this will
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: be the most games under five hundred they've been all year.
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: There'll be three games under five hundred.
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: And the Steelers are in camp, and people who have
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: played here know how this goes, or people who've lived here.
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: It's if they're not close to irrelevant or you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: if they're not in it, they're gonna get forgotten about
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: very quickly.
• 36:43
  Speaker 8: And that's where this is trending right now. Now.
• 36:45
  Speaker 9: You have the Mets coming in over the weekend, and
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: if you win today and then take a series over
• 36:49
  Speaker 9: the Mets back over your back around five hundred, you're
• 36:52
  Speaker 9: still in this thing. And I do think they have
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: a favorable schedule down the stretch compared to what they've
• 36:56
  Speaker 9: gone through in June and July.
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: But it does feel like another collapse.
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: And you saw a collapse with this team in twenty eleven,
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: twenty twelve, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, and twenty four, where
• 37:09
  Speaker 9: they're always competitive around July and it just feels like
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: they don't get the shot in the arm they need,
• 37:15
  Speaker 9: or something goes wrong.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: And they fall apart in by mid August.
• 37:19
  Speaker 9: It's just kind of a relevant baseball and I think
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: fans have just seen it so many times they're worried
• 37:25
  Speaker 9: that that's what's happening again here.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: That was the feeling that I got when I was
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: just you know, scrolling through comments after the deadline, where
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it's just a lot of hesitancy, like, Okay, we're not
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: going to go crazy and do our temper tantrum that
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: was warranted for years, but we're also not going to
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: be like this is the greatest thing ever. We got
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: the best reliever. So it's just like a very tempered
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: run right through the next couple months, and a lot
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: of the other teams that were bubble teams around them
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: actually did either sell or do nothing. I mean, the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Nationals sold, right, the Marlins sold, the Cardinals sold, a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: lot of the teams in a very similar spot.
• 37:59
  Speaker 9: Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just we'll see, we'll
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: see what happens. I mean, they have the pieces theoretically,
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: it's just the guys here just need to play better
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: at this point.
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: I mean, the Reynolds needs to get going.
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: They need to get healthier and more than anything, like
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: I said, the starting rotation, you have a starting rotation
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: where every person in this rotation was a top one
• 38:20
  Speaker 9: hundred prospect at one point. All of them were first
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: round picks or second round picks, high bonus players to
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: you know, all stars, guys who have received a.
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: Lot of recognition.
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: It's time for them to be the best part of
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: this team because they just have not been the best
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: part of this team at any point of this year,
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: right that was the.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Part they're building rang you' at least concerned about. And
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: that's just how baseball works. All of a sudden, you're like,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: oh wow, this offense and then oh wow, they don't
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: have a bullpen all that. So no, a great, great
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: recap of what's going on here. Good catching up man,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Talk to you soon.
• 38:50
  Speaker 8: Okay, absolutely, guys, thanks for having me on.
• 38:53
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