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Longevity Secrets: Health Span, Stress, Sleep, & Aging Speed w/ Blake Baynham | Ep 79 · The Driven Athlete

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  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What's up?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all?
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  Speaker 1: It's your man.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Kyle, we got the man Blake Baino back on the podcast again A cool guest owner of the Fountain working with Encore Imaging Yep Right.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in, thanks for having me again.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're a busy guy, so I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys making time for me.
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  Speaker 1: So tell people again what the Fountain is, where you guys are at, and also Encore.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So Fountain is a anti-aging longevity clinic.
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  Speaker 2: We specialize in functional diagnostics.
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  Speaker 2: So looking at the body from an imaging standpoint, looking at it from a genetic standpoint and looking at it from your blood work taking those three things to create anti-aging and longevity plans for people, really based on what the results tell us, how they're feeling, what they want to accomplish.
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  Speaker 2: So that is Fountain.
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  Speaker 2: Encore is the imaging component.
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  Speaker 2: That's my partner's business.
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  Speaker 2: They've got nine locations throughout the state, adding three more in the next few months.
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  Speaker 2: They're growing very rapidly.
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  Speaker 2: But where it ties together, encore Imaging does a body use scan, which is a head to hips screening of or sorry, 12 organs, including the brain, for over 500 conditions.
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  Speaker 2: Really looking for cancer, looking to see like, hey, is there anything lingering that's gonna kill me in the next 12 months?
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  Speaker 2: Wanna make sure that's not in there.
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  Speaker 2: So it's detecting like cysts, tumors, gross, uh, five millimeters and larger, um, and so that's.
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  Speaker 2: That's a new component that we just added in the last few months we talked about a little bit last time I was on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, but it's, it's going really well, it's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: That's, that is really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a super valuable information of like um, if you want to find stuff like that, yeah, and then nip it in the bud when you can like early.
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  Speaker 1: Early detection is always going to be the key.
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  Speaker 2: That's the number one indicator of outcome is is how early can you catch it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we had your stories at the time, people.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, she had a buddy of mine.
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  Speaker 2: It was terrible and I forget exactly what his fiance was diagnosed with, but she got a diagnosis into January.
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  Speaker 2: Uh was gone, uh, before April 1st.
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  Speaker 2: My gosh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so she can go that quick, cause it was undiagnosed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, who knows how long it was there, but it was just, you know, she got diagnosed at stage four and at that point it's it was aggressive cancer, there's nothing they could do.
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  Speaker 1: And that's terrible.
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  Speaker 2: Two months later she was gone.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that yeah.
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  Speaker 1: No, major organ full body view scanning is there a prescription needed for that?
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  Speaker 2: No, so it's kind of interesting because it's a new area for imaging.
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  Speaker 2: There's other brands that do similar things, but it's not necessarily needs to be prescribed by a doctor, it's just somebody who wants to come in check, make sure there's nothing going on.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we recommend every year or two getting the scan done again, because it's just early detection, like the sooner that you know something is going on, um, the sooner you can take action.
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  Speaker 2: And we get people that are like, oh, I don't, I don't want to know, like, well, it's, it's there, whether you know about it or not.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so if you don't know about it, there's nothing you can do.
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  Speaker 2: If you know about it, you can at least take action and increase your chances of a positive outcome.
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  Speaker 1: That is tough Cause, like as soon as we find out.
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  Speaker 1: Then it's like all right, now we've got to hit the gas pedal on, like all these other tests and everything, and I was like, well, what's the alternative?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, not doing anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's probably right, Like if you you know, I've never been diagnosed with cancer, but my dad had cancer and I saw what he went through and like the thought of being diagnosed and going through that process is terrifying, but the alternative is not doing anything and dying.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like well, I guess I'd opt for the former.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So when people come in to see you, I mean life, longevity, optimization of health, right, what are some things people of, like the typical demographic y'all see.
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  Speaker 1: Where do they come in?
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  Speaker 1: What do they say?
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  Speaker 1: They're like why are you here, right?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I want to do.
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  Speaker 1: What's the typical profile look like?
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  Speaker 2: They'll usually.
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  Speaker 2: It's usually people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, right?
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  Speaker 2: So 30s to 60s, let's say They'll see one of the things that we do, one of the posts, one of the clips from me on your podcast, and they'll, it'll resonate with them and they're like hey, I've been feeling this or I've been thinking about this.
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  Speaker 2: Can you guys help me?
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  Speaker 2: And I love having those conversations with people because it allows us to identify, like, what's the best path for them, them or what's most pressing, whereas when we're kind of outbound marketing, right, it's like we're trying to create a message that lands with Kyle, that lands with so-and-so, whereas if they're coming to us like all right, well, let's talk about exactly what's going on with you and then from there, we can create either a diagnostic package and again we can do the full spectrum we can do a very small, you know, focused diagnostic assessment and then from there, based on the results, based on how you're feeling, based on what your goals are and what our providers are recommending, we can create an anti-aging package on the back end that's going to have you just feeling your best, and increasing health span is the term that we're using.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 1: Increasing health span.
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  Speaker 1: What's on that plan usually?
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  Speaker 1: Which plan For increasing healthspan?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So on the back end it's going to be some combination of and let me take a step back.
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  Speaker 2: There's the recommendations are going to be vast and I give everybody the disclaimer, when they come in, like our providers are going to throw the kitchen sink at you because we want you to have the information, we want you to know if there's a specific area that you're interested in addressing.
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  Speaker 2: How to address it Doesn't mean we're saying start everything today, but we're going to pick the one or two things that are really going to move the needle.
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  Speaker 2: So it starts with usually a lot of over-the-counter stuff, right?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe some prescription medications, maybe a recommendation out to a specialist, that stuff outside of us and then inside of the center hormone therapy, peptides, medical weight loss, exosome therapy, stem cell therapy and then a bunch of different IV therapies as well, gotcha, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then when somebody starts on one of those plans, what's the life, what's like the?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the long-term plan.
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  Speaker 2: That's probably the the number one question that I get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, how long did it be?
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  Speaker 2: Like how long do I have to take this right?
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  Speaker 2: It's like, well, we're working against father time, yeah, and father time is not relenting.
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  Speaker 2: So I encourage everybody to look at is like this is a lifestyle change, like we are going to make adjustments that will ultimately you'll need to kind of continue on with it for a long time, like it's not something that we can do for a month and then you're cured, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's like our body is slowly degrading, and again, not noticeable day to day, but over the course.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I don't know about how you feel, but in the last seven years, you know, before I got into all this, I felt like at age like 20 years, you know it's businesses, I mean you know how it goes, um for sure.
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  Speaker 2: And so I encourage people to look at this as like this is a lifestyle change.
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  Speaker 2: That's why I want to start conservative, right, we want to do just the littlest amount possible.
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  Speaker 2: Is the always the best course action?
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  Speaker 2: Retest blood work or retest whatever diagnostic we did in three to six months, see how we're doing, see how we're feeling, tweak it If at that point.
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  Speaker 2: Once we have a good routine, want to add something else on then go from there.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha, Taper off if needed.
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  Speaker 1: Add some things here if you need to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and there are certain things that we do that are kind of temporary, like BPC.
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  Speaker 2: Bpc is a very popular peptide for healing that's usually used when somebody has more of like an acute injury as opposed to like a long-term plan.
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  Speaker 2: Some people like to take it year-round, um, just for the healing benefit, but that's usually something that I'll recommend like a three to four month protocol.
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  Speaker 1: So the bpp, bpc 157.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, that's also.
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  Speaker 1: That's one I remember you talking about other people I've talked with.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it stimulates growth hormone, human growth hormone.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the growth hormone releasing peptides, and while bpc does that a little bit, it's not its primary function.
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  Speaker 2: Um, the growth hormone, that's the growth hormone-releasing peptides, and while BPC does that a little bit, it's not its primary function.
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  Speaker 2: The growth hormone-releasing peptides are going to be more for longevity, more for recovery, reducing inflammation and just a litany of other health benefits.
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  Speaker 2: But the BPC is really going to promote healing and specifically the angiogenesis, which is, you know, uh, creating new blood vessels.
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  Speaker 2: So there is some different schools of thought of, like you want to inject close to the injury, psychs can help her more, promote more healing in that area.
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  Speaker 2: But there's, uh, there's a bunch of different ways to do it and again, it's one of those things that I don't think is necessary year round.
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  Speaker 2: Some people like, do it year round, but you can go either way.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say, uh, people have asked me questions.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, let's say, a guy or a female, a guy or girl is uh.
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  Speaker 1: They're like I want to work out, I want to look good, build muscle, physique right On the extreme end, be like bodybuilding or something like that, physique training.
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  Speaker 1: Are they stacking like BPC and other things, to hormone therapy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, what's the, what's the optimal stack?
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  Speaker 1: Usually?
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  Speaker 2: So I can tell you what I do, okay, and I'm not sure if it's optimal, but it works for me.
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  Speaker 2: So I started off myself just doing testosterone therapy, and we talked about last time you got to account for the whole feedback loop.
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  Speaker 2: So you have some ancillary medications, specifically in clomiphene, which stimulates your natural testosterone production, and then also inastrozole, which keeps your estrogen levels down, um, in addition to, of course, the actual testosterone that keeps everything kind of functioning properly, so that if you have to come off of testosterone for whatever reason, you don't like the way you feel your PSA is creeping up, you, um, you're, you're not kind of shooting yourself in the foot.
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  Speaker 2: So I started off there, felt great, um, and down the line, what were your testosterone levels before you started?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, mid three hundreds, oh so, yeah, so low, yeah so, and I was only 30, um, when I started, which is usually about the age that people start noticing, you know, declining testosterone.
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  Speaker 1: Um, I would imagine like business kids sleep, sleep, all that stuff, all the stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's actually studies that show it's a biological response.
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  Speaker 2: When you have infants in the house, men's testosterone decreases to make them better caretakers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, better, not good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as best as maybe could be allowed, exactly so yeah, so I did the testosterone for a little bit and then added in the growth hormone releasing peptide.
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  Speaker 2: I had done some BPC and TB500, which is another kind of Wolverine peptide, if you will after a shoulder surgery.
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  Speaker 2: So I tried those on a few different occasions, had great success with those, but added in the peptide, Been doing that for a couple of years and then the last eight months started doing NAD.
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  Speaker 2: Are you familiar with that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, but tell me more.
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  Speaker 2: So NAD is basic biology, right?
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  Speaker 2: We have the mitochondria, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's the powerhouse of the cell.
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  Speaker 2: Thinking back to 10th grade biology, whatever that was and uh, nad is the fuel for the mitochondria.
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  Speaker 2: So mitochondria takes nad, um and then from that creates atp, adrenaline, triphosphate, which energizes the cells.
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  Speaker 2: This happening in every cell inside your body.
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  Speaker 2: So every cell is getting energized.
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  Speaker 2: For me it's, it's I don't need, you know, three energy drinks throughout the day.
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  Speaker 2: It's like I do my coffee or energy drink in the morning, afternoon, right now, right now it'll be 1.30, 2 o'clock, I'm still rolling, feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: Brain's functioning Enhances neurological function as well.
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  Speaker 2: Neuroplasticity I like that component the best.
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  Speaker 2: But it also has an anti-aging component.
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  Speaker 2: So in studies they did on lab rats, it shows there's a 5% increase in lifespan, which is pretty cool For humans if you take it over the course of their entire you know, entire life.
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  Speaker 2: That's, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Call it four years additional.
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  Speaker 2: You're getting Um.
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  Speaker 2: But again, the goal is not to like I don't want to extend my life an extra four years from, you know 95 to 99, when I'm in a wheelchair and drinking out of a straw, eating out of a straw or quality life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I want to extend how I'm feeling today, better, longer.
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: I want to, yeah, extend the health span.
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  Speaker 2: Um, so I'm doing the nad and then some of the more recent testing since I've been on.
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  Speaker 2: Last time um found out I have two genetic precursors for alzheimer's dementia.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, um, and I did the biological age test.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm 39, my biological age came back at 64 and I was was like that is a big, big concern.
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  Speaker 1: So there's-.
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  Speaker 1: And when you say body like, you mean just for cognition, like brain or like the whole body, so biological which organs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So biological age test is done either via blood or saliva because it's genetic and it's based on telomere length.
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  Speaker 2: Without getting too much into the science, as you age, telomeres get shorter and once you run out of telomere on the strands of your dna, the cell can no longer replicate and cells start dying.
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  Speaker 2: That's how you have organ failure, etc.
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  Speaker 2: Etc.
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  Speaker 2: So telomere length, or biological age is directly correlated with age-related diseases.
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  Speaker 2: So alzheimer's, dementia, heart attack, stroke, etc.
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  Speaker 2: Etc.
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  Speaker 2: Et cetera, et cetera, things along those lines and cancer.
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  Speaker 2: So from the combination on the functional DNA test of realizing that I have two genetic predispositions for Alzheimer's dementia, and on the biological age test, I'm genetically older, I'm at a much higher risk for developing Alzheimer's and dementia.
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  Speaker 2: So from there, yeah, so from there.
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  Speaker 2: My grandmother had Alzheimer's dementia, saw it firsthand, declined rapidly in her sixties was awful.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like that's the last thing I ever want to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: So on the functional DNA side, it gives you a bunch of recommendations from diet supplements, lifestyle changes you can make, and then on the biological age, which we can talk about a little more, our regenerative medicine doctor, dr Carter, told me exosome therapy via IV is kind of the route that you need to go to start reversing this or slowing this down.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the biological age is cool because it's like an accumulation of everything from birth until today, from environmental toxins.
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  Speaker 2: So if you have environmental exposures, you grow up next to a factory, right what you're putting in your body, so food, drugs, alcohol, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: And then stress is a big component of that as well.
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  Speaker 2: So I eat pretty well, I exercise regularly, I don't think there's any crazy environmental you know toxins we're exposed to here in South Florida.
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  Speaker 2: But my stress is through the roof and I'm like I think that's kind of the main culprit there.
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  Speaker 2: So really doing some things to work on bringing my stress levels down but then introducing the exosome therapy at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: Really I'm hoping it's going to help with that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to retest and see where my biological age is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't see it Expect to see a drastic change.
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  Speaker 2: Right, at least we're in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, every year I want to test it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hoping that like it'll creep, creep down a little bit by, a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: And when was the test the first?
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  Speaker 2: I took it in September.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, august.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So I think I had taken it last time I was on the show.
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: I just hadn't gotten the results back, got it?
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I totally agree, like I think.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: I mean stress plays a huge stress anxiety, from what I've been told from experts, huge impact on longevity, health system, functionality, organ function.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you doing for stress relief?
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: A lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I mean exercise, of course, trying to make a little bit more time for myself that's something you know again, young kids business like it's, it's hard to find that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean my really only time for myself, um, until recently was just the gym, you know, and that's that was three times a week.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not as much as I would like it to be.
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  Speaker 2: Even so, just trying to do some stuff to make time for myself.
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  Speaker 2: I started microdosing psilocybin as well, which is really cool.
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  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Mushrooms?
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, yeah, so it's a.
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  Speaker 2: It's a psychedelic.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: I'm not like seeing anything from it, Right, but it's, it's a microdose.
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Great studies on reduction of stress, anxiety, depression, yeah, and that has helped a ton.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of good things about microdosing.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Microdosing everything, right, it's like that's the way to do it, it seems, instead of these, these big doses.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: But, um, yeah, I've been doing that for about a year.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: Um, marked improvement in in just how I'm feeling my stress levels.
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  Speaker 2: Um, seem to just be a little more present, able to kind of roll and deal with things as they pop up instead of it.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: You know, sometimes it gets overwhelming.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: It's almost uh, what's the word I'm looking for?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like freezes you.
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah Right, You're just like stuck, You're like so I'm so overwhelmed, I just don't know what to do at this point, Um, and so that's.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: That's been really helpful on that front.
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  Speaker 2: So those couple of things, um, I think I feel better, right, which is good.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: So we'll see if the next bio age test, if it uh, different avenues Interesting.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: What do you do for stress?
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: reduction.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: Well, good question, uh, cause I'm, I'm same boat, you know like I mean.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I know I want to shout out to my wife cause she's at home with the kids, you know, all day, every day.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: Um, so she's got a lot on her plate cause I have a five every day.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Um, so she's got a lot on her plate cause I have a five.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, she's going to be five in July.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: My daughter, my son, is turning three next week and then we have a four month old.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: He'll be five months and four days, so just about five month old.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're grinding right now.
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  Speaker 1: The baby's up, you know, at least three times a night, yep, and then he's usually in bed with us at some point to just calm down.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: So my wife's like I just sleep and I was like totally understandable, yeah, if one of the bigger kids gets up, I usually go with, I try to get them.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Sure, my son got up last night and, uh, he came into our room, you know, and I was like I got up to help.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: He's like, no, I want, mommy, like I'm sorry, I don't know what, you would just be man.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know, but he was like really screaming, so I want.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: My wife got up and was like mommy, you know.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: So she did it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like man, I want to help.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Anyway, to answer your question for that little background.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: We're in the, we're grinding right now.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm in the same boat, you know.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I work out.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: I try to work out four days a week is my goal, right, and usually right now it's like if somebody cancels on my day I'm working, working out, phone calls will be, later Emails.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I'll get them later Lunchtime or when I get home or something.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be the end of the world, but I'd rather work out.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: I had a mentor tell me that one time he's like your to-do list is always going to be super long, it's never ending, it's not going to go away but, what's more important, it end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I can knock out these 10 tasks that I know it's going to last 45 minutes.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: It's going to be 45 minutes, maybe an hour, hour and a half where it's like, oh, where'd the time go?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Now I got to go home or just work out right away.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Just don't even think about it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: What was your mentor's like philosophy there?
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about that.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the pattern.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: It's the pattern development of working out versus finishing the email.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And if you do establish a routine of working out and consistency, that's what's going to last more impactfully for you later in life, if you just consistently exercise and do something that you know is going to be beneficial for you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: So at the end of the day, I'm like did I have a productive?
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  Speaker 1: My wife's like how was your day?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And I was like it was productive.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: What equates product like it was a productive?
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: My wife's like how was your day?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: And I was like it was productive.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: What equates product Like it was a productive day?
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Usually it's if I did something meaningful to move the needle and I worked out those two things.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: That's the equation.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: So if I don't work out and I'm like well, I knocked out some emails and like busy work stuff, it's like that could have waited.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I feel worse.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I think it was just like guilt in, like I could have done something different.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: You know that's such a great um.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: That's such a great thing to think about, especially as, like a business owner, you know, and it's like we can feel so busy all the time yeah, what things are we actually doing that are really productive?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Moving, the needle moving the needle because there's so much.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I mean I don't know how.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: I know you're very involved day to day in your business, but I don't know how much you're actually like in there working on people.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I know you have a team and so it's like.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: A lot different now than it was a couple months ago.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: That's awesome, like what it means.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Like I'm, I'm seeing a lot more, so you're seeing Treating more people Is that a good thing.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, I enjoy it, you know, um, and it's not slowing down, which is a good thing, it's a good problem to have.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: But then I'm like all right, but then what about my other, you know other goals?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, there was a point where I was seeing uh, that was every day 6am to 4pm.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I was like 4pm, hard stop.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: People are like can I see you at four, four, 30?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I'm like no, I gotta go home.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be yeah, let me hold my kids, you know, my wife.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: So it was a hard stop, but I would see people from six to four with like an hour between, so like nine people a day and then, uh, if somebody canceled they'd be like priority working out.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna send emails later, do I'll do another time, but like I have to work out, but anyway for that goal, I was like, if that that's what's to be more important, if I set a routine and a consistency expectation to like exercise yeah that's going to stick with me longer and be more of a benefit for my health.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, that being said, to answer your question, what do I do for stress exercise?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I try to get in four days a week, if I can, um, and then, uh, I like podcasts a lot yeah I agree with you that, like when things pop up, there's always a huge to-do list, if you're not an entrepreneur or a business owner, but you're just a mom or a dad and you have all these goals and things you want to do, like to-do lists never stop.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: And they'll overwhelm you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, I can't let the urgent crowd, the significant, what's actually going to move the needle than I prioritize.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: But I like podcasts, especially entrepreneurial podcasts, like I'll throw a mosey a lot.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: I'm a mosey guy, for sure.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: It just helps with clarity.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I'm a mosey guy for sure.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: It just helps with clarity, sure.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: So the clarity helps me not be overwhelmed.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: So I have a clear path of like this is what, this is the game plan, this is the action steps, this is more important.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: That's not that important yet Cool.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: So I'm going to focus on that.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: And then I'm going to exercise.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: So at least the clarity and I'm knocking things out that are significant and then exercise and then that's pretty much it.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Because right now I go home.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: As soon as I get home I'm just like fully invested with family time and then getting ready for dinner and then bedtime routine, then clean up afterwards, then I get a shower, I say hi to my wife, and then I go to bed and then get up at 4.45 and do it all over.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that's unfortunately right now.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: That is it, you know.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: That's about all you can squeeze in.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: I do enjoy, um, or I think another benefit that I is helpful with stress is my own anecdotal opinions.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Right, um, meditation has been helpful and just reflection.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: And then, if I read um, something I liked a lot was getting diving into stoicism and familiar with stoicism.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: So, ryan holidays, he's a cool author, that he's a young guy too, I think it's like early forties, you know like 42, 40, but anyway he's wrote in a lot of cool stuff.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: Um, I just liked the philosophy stuff that he brings to the table on.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It's like some light reading running over some ancient philosophy of like the old Stoics, you know, you know, do it at night, I'll put you to sleep, yes, exactly.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Of like seneca and um epictetus, um marcus aurelius, those guys, but anyway, it just really puts things in perspective.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And then also clarity, yeah, where, um, nobody, nobody can actually bother you unless you allow them to bother you.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like, oh, that makes sense.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Like people, people only push your buttons if you show them your buttons and you let them push your buttons.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Other than that, like it's just, it's on you.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And I was like I like that because I can control the situation.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to manage my own expectations, my own emotions.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Right, I had a conversation with my son, um, after a soccer game the other day and it's, it was a thing I saw from, uh, alex Hormozy, um, on like, look, the people that are that are criticizing you or telling you you can't do it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: They're never the people that are ahead of you, it's never.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It's never the, the multimillionaire or the person who's athletically, you know, professional.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Telling the young kid like no, you suck, you can't do it Right.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Like it's somebody who either sees you as a threat, right, or somebody who doesn't want you to succeed because they're behind you.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Um, and so it's, yeah, it's, it's got to stay on top of that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I met it like things.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I've a metaphor that I'm like imagine if there was somebody very fit at the gym, just imagining gym la, fitness goals, like whatever right, and there's very fit individual.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And then somebody comes in and they're not confident.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: They are clearly haven't really exercised a lot, they're overweight, they don't look good.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Like physique wise, you know, sure could you imagine that very fit individual walking up and be like you'll never get fit.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Look at you, you're like you're a joke, right?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That person would never do that.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: No, if that overweight person at the gym were to approach that very fit individual, was like, hey, can you like help me?
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Or like what should I do?
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you that that fit person would probably be like oh my gosh, let me help you.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Well, because this, this and this I'm like you can totally do this.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Like because they're ahead of them in that fitness game.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: They're not going to be like putting them down, right.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: So, anyway, that's the same metaphor as, like people ahead of you, aren't going to be the ones to be criticizing and putting it down.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's a lot to do too, because they know what it took to get there.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly Like the person that is incredibly fit.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Like it's not all genetics right.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Like they put a lot of time and effort and energy and studying and researching and understanding in to get to the place that they are.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: So when they see somebody you know starting on that path, it's like, oh, I remember when I was there, but it's not easy.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: It's the person that has no idea what they're talking about, that doesn't have any clue the humility is not there.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: They have no idea what it takes to get to that point, and so they're just like, oh no, you don't have it Totally.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: But anyway, to answer your question about what do I do, I would, can you know?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I also prioritize.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: What I put a value in is getting enough sleep, where, if it's 8 30 and it's like, okay, we actually got the kids down and like the kitchens put together and we're showered, it's like I'm gonna go to bed.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna hopefully have a meaningful conversation with my wife at some point.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: So one of you passes out conversation right versus, like you know, scrolling or watching a show or something like that.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we don't even have cable right now.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Like we don't watch TV.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is like actually a pretty good thing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Yep, it just eliminates that, you know, just same way as, like, imagine somebody's battling with, like snacking and eating and stuff or junk food, just like not having it in the house.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just not having cable in the house.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Like it just kind of eliminates that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That's great for sure.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Scrolling is probably my one main vice.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just like funny videos.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: You know it's probably sending it to my family, my sister, my brother and stuff.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, check this, you know.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this funny video I do the same thing and I usually like pop on a show or a movie, like late night, and I know how bad the screen time is before you go to sleep.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was actually.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm like there's something in my brain telling me that I need this and I I don't think it's just like I need the dopamine kick.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's more of like I'm having this thought yesterday.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's more of like I'm just so at such a high level all day and like it it's second you get home.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's like wife, kids, like it's just more chaos, stuff to do around the house, like today I'm cleaning out our patio when I get home, and like it's just there's always a list of shit to do.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I'm like what is it that my brain is like, why is my brain craving this?
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: And so I'm on chat gpt I'm like, all right, here's the situation.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Like I need you to help me understand.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: It's a good idea, yeah, and it cranks out it's like no, based on you know everything.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I know about you and I'm always plugging stuff in trying to figure myself out.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Um, it's like you your body needs is like screaming for like a, a break.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just, it's just mindless like nothing.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: That's the 30 minutes.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just just to reset.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even if the screen time you know the blue light is affecting your sleep, it's probably better for you psychologically to get that in, so I'm trying to eliminate it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Like that benefit outweighs the negative of the blue.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I was.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I'm like I'd love to eliminate this, I'm like, but I also kind of feel like part of me needs and maybe I can.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sure I can find a better, you know, escape if you will, or like decompression method at the end of the day.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, but I thought it was pretty interesting.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I totally agree with you.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just unwinding.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely an unwinding guy.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: So I was like so say I value going to sleep right away.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, am I perfect?
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Of course not.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: You know like I definitely unwind.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, why do we do that?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Why did I'm like?
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I have to have.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden it's 11 and I'm still looking at my phone like dang it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to be tired, tomorrow it's unbelievable.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Have you heard of resentment?
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Sleep no, revenge.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Sleep, revenge, no.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like revenge and resistance against the next day, as in like well, f that I'm not going to sleep, I want to unwindwind.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: So the person self-sabotages by staying up I I feel like I've definitely had like it's, like it's almost I would say so much.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: For me it's like a revenge sleep, but it's more of uh, apprehension sleep like god, like I gotta get up and like, if I know I got a busy day, I gotta get up and do it, especially if it's like the routine, if it's's something new, exciting like last night I was excited for this right, I'm like, all right, I got this fun.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: You know, get to go do something fun today.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Like podcast is fun, right, I'm not.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It's not just the usual, you know, day in and day out, revenge bedtime.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Procrastination Nice, that's what it is.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Revenge bedtime totally do that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm usually more of a like.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: If somebody tells me I can't do something, I'm usually the one like well, I'm gonna do it anyway.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: You know kind of person because you're growing up my parents will probably tell you that when I was a kid, yeah, but um, that's totally me for sure.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: That's great, but like but.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: And what's interesting is like, if it's a friday night and great situation happens kids went to bed somewhat compliant, you know, like, and places cleaned up, dishes are put away and it's early, I easier to go to bed right away.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Versus, like, if it's a Monday and that happens, you would think it'd be the reverse, like, oh, I get to sleep in Saturday morning, well, and I'll sleep until six 30 instead of five, you know, interesting Whereas, like Friday night, you know, I'll be easier to go to bed.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: It's because the revenge progression, uh, bedtime is not there.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: The next day I know I have off yeah, cause, mine's definitely not, um, cause even like let's say, okay, it's the weekend, uh, maddox, my son has a game at 10.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So we got to be there at nine, so we got to leave it eight 30, get up by seven 30.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, if I go to bed by midnight, I'm still great.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can sleep in half hours Seven and a half hours, great oh.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: I do that.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden it's one in the morning and I'm like, still pushing it on the weekends.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I want to be there for my kids tomorrow.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I want to be present.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be tired.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, it's just, it's a problem.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I totally, and I wish I had not, almost not done it.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Thinking about this, diagnostics, the whoop band, yeah, or like the aura ring or whatever you don't wear one, I used to, I don't I realized, like if I would check it every morning Now, mind you, it did help me get to sleep better, how?
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: So, just to be conscious of it, okay, like, all right, I'm going to get my score in the morning, my sleep score.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I need to make sure I'm in bed on time, make sure my whoop is happy with me.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, my, my, uh digital overlord here.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Um, but I would wake up at if it was like, for whatever reason, I didn't have a good night's sleep.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: So, like, psychologically, I was like in the dumps all day, like, oh, I didn't have a good night.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: The point where it's like, all right, I just I can't pay attention to this anymore, like I need to just wake up and, regardless how I'm feeling, get after it.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, um, but then a buddy, or some buddy of mine, sent me research and it's like I guess you have these like 45 minute increments, that you're like REM sleep versus light sleep and if you wake up during, like whatever time, your alarm goes off during that REM or deep sleep period.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: It's like when you wake up feeling super groggy, you're just the lights never fully come on all day.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: And so now it's like I'm trying to gamify, like all right, how do I get exactly, you know, seven and a half hours of sleep, Like that's my sweet spot.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: So if I get 645, I'm in the other cycle and now I'm tired all day.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So it's yeah for sure, yeah, it's like I know exactly what you're talking about.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: So, yes, uh, I just feel like brian, this guy named brian johnson, yeah, okay, yeah, though, he went, don't die.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, philosophy, whatever.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Um, I appreciate what he's doing.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that, I would never do that.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm like I wonder how much of his of like study, when you say that, what do you mean?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: All right, so studying um the whoop sleep scores, studying his biological age of every organ, um, and like, what's my score today?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: What did I sleep today?
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that I don't want to say neuroticism, but just attention all right is actually taking years off his life just with the stress and anxiety involved with just oh, it's my score.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he is like personally, you know, but I just wonder if that's adding a little bit shaving off years, which is counteracting what he's trying to do in the first place.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, I got to think.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So I mean the, the, the, the studies that show how stress, regardless of where it's coming from, how it impacts your aging and impacts just your, your longevity is it has a terrible impact on it.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: So you mentioned Brian Johnson, like he's like, very well known in the longevity space.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Of course that's his whole shtick.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Um made all his money selling, you know, sell off technology company.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: He spends supposedly about $2 million a year on all this anti-aging stuff and so he is known to have the lowest pace of aging, which is part of the biological age test, um, in the world, which shows, like the biological age again, is your entire accumulation of birth till now.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: But the pace of aging is just how are we doing today?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Like are we?
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: One would be average, 1.2 would be we're aging, you know, 20% faster.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: 0.8 would be we're aging 20% slower.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: So his is 0.6, which means he's aging about, I think, one year every 19, 19 months was, I think, what?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: The 20 months, whatever the number is.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And so he spends all this money on it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And we brought in I can't disclose her name, but a woman from Palm beach, um, who is an influencer to the fountain, did the biological age test for free, wanted her to talk about it, promote it to the fountain.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Did the biological age test for free?
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: Wanted her to talk about it, promote it.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: She's in her late twenties and doesn't spend any money on anti-aging or anything and her pace of aging was 0.61.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Wow, and I was like so she's lived a great lifestyle, right, relatively stress-free from we're kind of talking about it afterwards.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I was like this is incredible that your score is this low, like what it's like you know, tell me about your life.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: And she's like you know, it's great, everything's good.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Like you can just tell she was just like so at peace and so happy.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like so that that has a lot to do with it too.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: You know, and she's I mean againson, she's doing age specific or, uh, longevity specific to enhance her, uh, her biological age.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: But it's pretty crazy that, like without doing any of that, she still is the same pace.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: This guy's spending two million dollars a year on that's crazy.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: He's older, so as you get older, your pace of aging does increase.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: He's like late 40s, right?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I can't tell he looks like an alien he looks like a little bit.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: But I appreciate, like I said, like what I want, I'm like what I would want to get out of it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I would say, just tell me what you're finding in your research and then we'll just apply it.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly cool, you do it.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: You show me I'll, I'll just apply it you know well, I think that's where it's all going is the data yeah, right, I think it's super interesting and I can appreciate what he like with the sleep schedule.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: You know, because he when he when I was the podcast, I was into that he was and I dove a little bit more in some articles and stuff about him.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: But uh, he, his schedule is 8 30 bed and he wakes up at 4 30 and then he works out for an hour a day and his last meal for the day is 11 am really that's what he said.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, so he eats from like I think he exercises before, he works, before he eats, and his he eats like berries and nuts and yogurt or something like that, and that's it I wonder what his caloric intake is in a day, right, right I'm not sure.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he doesn't deviate from the plan ever like he's's super disciplined.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Doesn't have chocolate, no candy cake.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: That's something else that's coming up.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: No, alcohol, that's coming up.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: A lot is, uh, one, just total, and obviously America has an obesity epidemic and a very big problem to deal with.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: But even outside of that, like the total caloric intake, there's a lot of stuff coming out that's saying even like 2000 calories a day.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Now, maybe for somebody you know your size or my size it's more appropriate, but for the average size person they're showing that it's like you don't really need that many calories to thrive and survive.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And on top of that right the quality of food and all the inflammation and all the other stuff that's going on.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: It's like that's lending, you know, to all these different age-related diseases.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Right, 60% of the disease comes from inflammation.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Most chronic inflammation comes from food.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: It's like why don't we trace it back to the source and start fixing this?
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've heard the same thing.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'm like what do you do, though?
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Because there's microplastics found in all the food, just from the packaging.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Inflammation, there's heavy metals involved with just where the farm is located, if there's a factory or whatever, or an oil spill somewhere in the ocean and then neighboring that like a ocean side, like in Piney or Palm Beach, as an example and then just things, food sensitivities.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: You know that people are just naturally sensitive, they don't really know otherwise.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: But like, how can we control?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Like we'll never be able to fix all that unless we have our own gardens and our own farms with chickens and like our own cows and stuff.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: So there's some cool stuff along those lines that we're doing.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: That kind of helps with that.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Um on the back end, right chelation therapy, um pulls heavy metals out of your blood, um, so it's like an iv or what is it?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: So it's an iv, yeah, and there's uh, edta and I forget what the acronym stands for is the medication that goes into the IV and then it effectively acts like a magnet, so it pulls all the heavy metals out of your bloodstream into your digestive tract and you urinate them out, which is cool.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: So that helps to remove heavy metals.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And then, of course, from inflammation standpoint exosome therapy, but also ozone therapy, right for killing parasites and other stuff in your bloodstream, which is again where they're starting to speculate, or they've already.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: You know some studies are showing this, like how the cancers come from and things like that.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: So it's free.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: From undetected parasites Mm-hmm.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's wild practitioners in the area that have been doing ozone therapy for a while.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Um for other, from my understanding, other rationales, but to rid parasites is what you're saying yes, that's part of.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: That's one of the applications.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a ton of them.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: What, um, what stuff were they doing it for for me, from what you remember, I think just healing in general, like if somebody has like a, like a knee arthritic, degenerative changes, or just knee hurts, their shoulder hurts their neck hurts the back, whatever, but, um, I have to go back and look, I should know this because of, yeah, dang it, I feel bad.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: That's all right, if you remember, if you're listening, don't let me remind me um.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: But uh, what I was going to say too is, um, this is so.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: It's about america, obesity epidemic.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Right, just made me think about this.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: There was this study I came across.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: You're familiar with, the universe 25 study.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: No, all right.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: So, uh, it's this study on mice.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I have the article, I can pull it up, but it's a study they did on mice.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: These scientists from, I mean, the 70s, um, and it's ethics now probably wouldn't allow them to do these studies sure, but anyway.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: They created these different worlds for 25 different situations over the period of a long time.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: They did these studies for a long time and um put a bunch of like a handful of mice in at the end of this.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: That's 25th universe they created.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: For these.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Mice was the utopia absolute, like garden of eden.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Mice was the utopia, absolutely Like garden of Eden plenty of food, no threats, temperature regulated, plenty of water, plenty of space for people, for the, for the people, for mice to roam around and stuff.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Um, and over the period of seven years, um, the mice rapidly populated and got to a point where it's because they had all the food they needed and social hierarchies kind of started to develop.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: And then abnormal behaviors started to develop.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Socially right, like abnormal behaviors, things you wouldn't think otherwise, like everybody, just chill, just do your own thing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Like keep your space, space, like we're good, like let's not rock the boat, right?
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: That wasn't happening.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: So they ran the st like this study, um, and they ended up crowding spaces.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: The males that ended up not caring, just did they just like kind of exited and they were kind of loners.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: And then there was other ones that were super hyper aggressive, that would be fighting and killing off other mice, um, the female mice would start attacking their own young, and this isn't like they didn't even reach a population density standpoint of like overcrowding.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: There was still plenty of space.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: But they populated, they grew, there was periods of growth and prosperity and then they started developing into like these hierarchy and abnormal social behaviors and stuff.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Still plenty of food, plenty of water, plenty of great temperature, like everything's totally fine and the spaces they're not crowded.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Population started declining like, uh, the repopulation, reproduction rates declined until it became stagnant and then, as an example, like the female mice started attacking their own young, um, started killing males, were attacking each other, um, and then the population declined even further.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Like, the reproduction rate declined even further until it came to a zero where nobody was even reproducing anymore.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, eventually, and there was a peak population where it was still within a third of the amount of mice that could have been in the space, yeah, and it declined and it kept declining until the end where they stopped reproducing and they killed each other off and all the mice died no way yeah I have the article, I can send you right now it's kind of uh sounds very familiar to what's going on, right now Right.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: So the bottom line that they're saying is it was just too comfortable.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, think there has to be struggle has to be, there has to be um challenge, otherwise you just get too comfortable and you create your own drama.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and then abnormal, abnormal social behavior starts happening, and a classic sign from that they're describing is abnormal social behavior whatever you want to define that, as I'm not going to get political um and then, uh, um, declining reproductive rates.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: That's.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Those are the two classic signs.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: So I'm like all right, well, if we go to the grocery store right now, there's plenty of like, we have unlimited sources of food.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Anyway, the bottom line being, it's just they just got too comfortable.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you think about, you know, the evolution of our society, right?
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: It's a lot more comfortable today than it was, you, you know, even a few hundred years ago, and it's uh, it's almost like if you, if you don't have something to struggle with, like, what are you focusing on, right?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Like, make make stuff up in your head of like, hey, this is important, I'm gonna, I'm gonna stress out about this or turn this into an ordeal, instead of focusing on something you know worthwhile all right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: So it was um john b calhoun in the in the late 1960s and early 70s in the national institute of mental health.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's, that was the.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: They wanted to create a utopian habitat for mice, mimicking like a garden of eden, with unlimited food, water, nesting materials, and then just wanted to observe the population dynamics and behavioral changes.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: This was the 25th universe they created for these mice.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: The other ones, I think one through 24, were different situations, but this one was like Less than ideal.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I think so yeah, but anyway, yeah, crazy.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: They declined and by day 920, there were no survivors.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so two and a half years.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 365, yeah, yeah, 365.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's wild, almost three years.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the population peaked at 2200.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Mice Aggression increased, some males withdrew, they were termed the beautiful ones and they stopped defending territories and just like they really didn't care, they just had apathy, they really you know.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And then females would neglect or attack their young and then, uh, starting at day 56, 561 and onward, the birth weights plummeted and infant mortality reached 100.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, isn't?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: that crazy is that?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Is that all the like the mom's killing them off, or is that?
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: is there other neglect and killing them off, jesus, like this would neglect them, god I don't know.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Um yeah, cannibalism, um yeah, isolation.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And then the population declined to extinction at 920 day 920, with no survivors by 1973 and what's your typical mouse lifespan?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: yeah right, exactly like.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: It seems like a very short amount of mouse itself should last.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like one would last a couple years.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Right right, I Right it'd have to.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Anyway, that just made me think about what you said about, you know, obesity epidemic in general.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm like let's rethink this.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: What is it that?
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: You actually really sorry me?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: We, a person, what do we actually really want?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: You know, have no stress, no problems.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Unlimited resources of food and water.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: No problems, unlimited resources of food and water.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know what that yield like the best situation for human life.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: According to that, if we correlate that with people, I don't know I think it's filtering through like what's what's, what's the important stressors, like what are the things worth stressing about?
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Right, because we live in this like our society's, so like hyper, there's so much being crammed down our throats at all the time.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Right, it's like what is actually worth stressing about Right, and for me that that so most people right over time, that scope continues to narrow and narrow and, like now, it's like, uh, the family first and foremost, making sure that they're good, and the business and everything else, is kind of like I, I don't care.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: We had, we had a pretty tough professional situation which I won't go into detail on over the last, you know, year or so, and we were talking about different things and I'm like you know this, this, you may talk to my wife about it.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like you may feel differently about me for saying this, but I really don't care, not, not to her.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: And I'm like I feel differently about me for saying this, but I really don't care, not not to hurt.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I'm like I'm empathetic, you know, to you into the situation, but like to your the impact it's having on us, but me personally caring about the outcome of this, it, it doesn't matter.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it really doesn't?
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Um, and that was liberating for us both.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: Actually, I think it was kind of like a cool thing where we're like, okay, this is something that we had so much stress and anxiety around for a long time, and we finally both got to the place where, like, we can stress about it or we can let it be and it'll figure itself out one way or another.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: But either way, regardless of the outcome, we're going to be fine.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like we'd like one outcome more than the other, but if it doesn't work work out that way, then we're okay.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got the important stuff families here, healthy, right, you know all the positive stuff and and the fountain and encore is great.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, let's focus there.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I love that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I would agree.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, all right, I gotta get going.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I gotta have the patient coming in.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, but thanks for coming in, appreciate having me um share again where you guys are located and what's the best way to reach out to you guys yeah, um, if you want to hit us on Instagram, um, at the fountain WPB, as in West Palm beach, we're located right over there, okeechobee and 95 in the uh Nick's diner, bolle Starbucks Plaza.
• 46:52
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• 46:54
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• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Hello at the fountain WP Cool, awesome man.
• 46:58
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• 47:08
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• 47:11
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