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30. Do Whatever It Takes · The Shift Podcast

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Welcome to Frontline Static, a podcast that helps bridge the
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gap between healthcare workers and 1st responders and
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everything in between. Hey Haley, thanks for joining me
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today. I really appreciate you taking
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time to be on. I know you're like kind of in
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between jobs and you have a lot going on right now, so I
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appreciate you being on today. Yeah, no problem.
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Let's start out with you just telling everyone a little bit
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about yourself, a little bit of your background, whatever you'd
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like to share. Yeah, so I've been a nurse for
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five years. I've been working in the ER and
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I've been wanting to get into flight.
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And so I actually saw Janessa's podcast.
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That's how I came across her, and then looked her up on
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Instagram. And then I had already started
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to apply for some flight jobs and I wasn't really getting
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anywhere with them. And so I was like, I need to do
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something different. And so I saw that she was
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offering some coaching. And so I was like, you know
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what? I don't normally do something
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like this or anything, but I'm just going to take that leap of
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faith. And I signed up and it's been
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super, super helpful. So I'm actually now
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transitioning to work part time in flight.
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I got a job offer and part time in the ICU.
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Nice at Cardiovascular ICO. Yeah.
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And what's interesting, you know, about about you and about
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everybody that I meet is it's always the same thing too.
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It's always like, I never do this kind of thing, but I was
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like, I'm going to take a chance on.
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It. And so let me ask you as far as
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like coaching, because I'm sure have you had coaching before?
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I took like a leadership class in college and we did like a
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little bit of coaching, but this is, this is definitely something
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very different than what I'm than what I.
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Do and I wonder this like for you, is it the experience of it
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and what what we do in it? Is it what you thought it would
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be? That's kind of it's it's hard
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to. Heard to quantify that or just
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say that necessarily a lot of like I feel like what we do is
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have a conversation and it's not so much you telling me what to
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do. It's you helping me get to the
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decision that I kind of already know is right.
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But I there's some sort of like something hindering me from
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making that move kind of thing. So it's like a very.
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It's a very organic thing and I've actually like I look
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forward to it when we. Do it.
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So, yeah, me too. I really look forward to working
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with you as well. And it's just like something
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about you. If you come in and you want
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coaching, like you feel coachable, like you just get so
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much more out of it. Yeah, and.
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I really think that's what you've taken.
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Yeah, yeah, I definitely have gained a lot of.
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Like self-awareness and just like making how it's helped me a
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lot to make decisions. About stuff, let's talk about
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you had mentioned there was the point where you were like doing
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everything to get into flight, but you weren't going anywhere
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by yourself. So tell me what change for you
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like adding just that coaching piece of it together?
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So I think. A big change kind of happened
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when we talked a lot about mindset and shifting that to,
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you know, you're just putting in applications to, you know what,
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like doing something more than that.
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So we kind of came up with this theme that we're just going to
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do whatever it takes to get it done.
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And I just kind of took that into my conversations with these
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flight companies and you know, we redid my resume.
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And because I had already kind of thought like, Oh yeah, my
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resume's good, but then you shared me, shared with me yours.
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And so I think that really like took it to the next level and
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then just encouraging me to take my CEN and I feel like that mind
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shift change of just doing whatever it takes to get it
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done. Really helped like that.
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That made stuff happen and from that is how I got my job offer.
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Yeah, I think what happens is that often, and we've talked
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about this a little bit too, over the course of our
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conversations and even today as overachievers like, we think
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there's so many things that we have to do.
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Yeah. Like we got to put in this
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application, we got to fix this, we got to make this perfect.
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But really like it. It starts with our mindset on
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it. It starts with our thought that
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we have like what is that one thought that's going to drive us
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to continue to take action. Yeah.
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And when we kind of I pulled out of you what the thoughts were
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that you really believed this one of do whatever it takes is
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what kind of drove you to keep doing the next thing.
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Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
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And I think just getting to that point where you like, trust
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yourself, you know, to to get get stuff done is where you
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really have to be when you're, you know, trying to make career
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moves or changes and just being willing to be uncomfortable.
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And I think that that helped me a lot like.
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That decision that it's like I'm not just going to like put in
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applications and hope that something happens Like I'm going
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to be actively chasing after these companies.
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Like you know, I I got phone numbers and e-mail addresses
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from a bunch of different places and I just talked to whoever I
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could talk to that would you know, that would take my call or
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e-mail me back kind of thing and I think.
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Through that, that was the kind of stuff where, you know, like a
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lot of companies, they'll look at that and they'll be like,
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wow, this girl, she really wants it.
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And I think that that really reflected and you know, that
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goes hand in hand when you're just, I'm just going to do
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whatever it takes. I'm going to make that phone
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call, even if it's. Awkward, because we were at that
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point, right? Where I I I think I just came
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out to you. I don't know how many sessions
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we're in, but I'm like Haley. We've done all these things and
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you're like, I'm feeling a little down.
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Yeah. You know, like I've done
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everything that I can. And I said, like, we what right
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now we need to, like just put aside applications.
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We need to just talk about, like, how are you feeling about
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this? Like where do you want to be And
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you're feeling about it. And that's when things really
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changed for you. Yeah, yeah, I.
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Thought not for you. Yeah, yeah.
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I had gotten a like a rejection letter or something.
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And so I was feeling like a little bit down in the dumps
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about it. And so that's when we had that
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conversation. We had decided like we're just
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going to, we're going to go all in, we're just going to do
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whatever it takes. And yeah, that's definitely when
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that shifted and yeah, and stuff came, came, you know, it it
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became something from that so. And something really poignant
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that we talked about today on our session too was that you
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didn't realize. And I think this is what stops a
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lot of people from getting into flight or not even just getting
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into flight, but going to that next step that they want to get
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to is they start to feel comfortable and where they're at
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and. You.
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Mentioned something like I thought it was always going to
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be an ER nurse. So it looks like a little bit
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about that because I think that everybody can relate to that
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thought that you're having, especially people who have been
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doing it for so long. It's hard to take that next
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step. Yeah, for sure.
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So in nursing school, I decided that I wanted to work in the ER
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and I was like super pumped about it.
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I like, lived and breathed. The ERI worked as a tech in
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nursing school in the ER and then they hired me on.
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And I loved it. Like, I thought I was going to
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be an ER nurse for the next my whole career, honestly.
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And then a couple years in, I learned about flight nursing.
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And I thought, oh, that's pretty cool.
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But there's like a requirement you have to have three years of
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critical care experience. And I think I was around like
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year two when that happened. And so I was like, oh, this is,
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you know, this is kind of fun or whatever.
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I think I'd be interested in doing that, but you know, I'm
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not qualified yet, so I'll revisit it, you know, later on
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or whatever. And then I ended up moving and
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I. Did myself a disservice, I
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thought to myself, you know, it would be kind of cool to try
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something new, like to go work in the ICU.
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Or I could have applied at the time.
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I could have applied for a flight job.
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But I kind of doubted myself a little bit.
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And I thought, like, well, what if I'm not really as good a
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nurse as I thought I was? And maybe, you know, I just
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happened to be really good in this, ER that I worked in
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before. And so I.
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I applied for another ER job, got the job.
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And don't get me wrong, I did well.
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I moved up in management. I was the charge nurse.
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I was the CNC for our unit. You know, I I was doing good,
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but I wasn't reaching my full potential.
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And so then I just kind of got kind of got tired and so I was
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like, you know what I needed? I need to make some moves.
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I need to do something. So that's when I decided to
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transition into flight. And so I had put in some
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applications, didn't really get anywhere.
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And then that's where Janessa and I hooked up.
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And then it it really, yeah, it it really changed from from
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there. And then I recently made the
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decision to like change and move over to the ICU.
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Part time just to kind of help me with like learning devices
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and ECMO different stuff that you just don't get it exposure
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to in the ER and it was really hard to leave the ER.
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There was definitely some tears and there was definitely like a
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grieving process because it had some.
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It had been something that I thought that was going to be
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there forever, but. That's, you know, it just wasn't
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the case. I was ready to move on to bigger
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and better things and so it was hard, but I'm so happy that I
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did it because you know, I I needed to move on.
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Yeah, and I think that happens a lot.
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Like, I think we see a lot of people in this career that end
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up staying wherever they are because they are.
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Comfortable, Yeah. Yeah.
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It it was it. It it's super hard to leave
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where you're. You know, where you feel like
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you're the expert in that area and that's that's where I was,
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You know, I I was feeling good. I was the resource person for
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everyone. It felt, you know, it felt good.
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But I needed to challenge myself and I needed to expand my
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knowledge and I needed to grow. And these were the things that,
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you know, I needed to take that leap of faith and go into, for
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me, uncharted territories or waters or whatever.
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Yeah, and. And what was the difference like
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for you that you said, like, you know, when people are
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comfortable being in that area and doing it for so long?
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Like, what was it for you that was like, because of course,
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none of us want to be uncomfortable.
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Yeah, right. So what was it for you that was
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like, no, I need to do this. I think for me, like I've always
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been kind of like a high achiever.
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In life and even like in high school and college, like, I
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always like, moved on to the next thing.
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But kind of in my nursing career, I kind of gotten
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comfortable with just being in one area.
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And so in a way, like through through coaching, that helped me
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kind of relapse back on to who I actually am as a person and
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expand my knowledge and grow because.
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I had just become so comfortable where I was and I feel like I'd
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let myself like over the last like year to become complacent
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with where I was. And from that, you know, in that
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place you just kind of grow bitter and you grow tired and
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you lose your passion. And I think that's kind of where
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I was at was. I wasn't feeling passionate
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about what I was doing. I wasn't feeling excited about
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it. In fact, I got to the point
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where I was honestly dreading going to work.
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And that's a that's a that's a far place from being, you know,
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five years ago where I was like, I loved the ER, like I was so
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excited to go to work every, you know, every week.
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And so I I feel like. Kind of making making that move
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to like okay. I'm I'm growing I'm doing the
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next thing really helped reignite that passion that I
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have for nursing and for just adventuring and you know and
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that's kind of what moving on to like doing new things is, is
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you're you're entering a new adventure.
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Yeah. How do you think coaching
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helped? You come to that?
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Because I I do think a lot of people think as far as like the
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flight part, like I don't just coach people who want to get
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into flight, but obviously that's what you came to me for.
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But I think people think, oh, I'm just going to give them
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advice and I'm just going to tell them what to do.
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But that's nothing what I do. I don't give any advice or.
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So how did that piece of coaching really help you come to
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that knowledge of yourself? I think it helped me trust
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myself. I've kind of gotten to the point
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where I, like, doubted myself a little bit and I just wasn't
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willing to, you know, take that leap of faith and it wasn't so
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much that you like. Told me, yeah, you like.
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You didn't tell me what to do. It was you gave me the
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confidence to trust myself, that I knew what was best for myself
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and I was willing to take that leap of faith.
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So I think that was the big thing, is that you just helped
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me get to the point where. You know, I was.
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I was willing to to trust myself.
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Yeah, yeah. And now we're at the point to
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where, you know, what I want to offer to you is when you start
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to feel those moments of doubt, like again, like you did when we
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first started working together, to trust yourself and go back on
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now this piece of evidence that you have that it does work for
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you. Yeah, yeah, I yeah, super,
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super, super helpful. I want to talk about 1 area in
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the application process because I I've seen this with every
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single client that I've coached into flight is that they all
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come to me and I've talked about this in some other interviews
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and they all say this is my one 2-3 and four of what I want for
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a flight company and almost 100% of the time it's not their
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number one choice. So kind of tell me like.
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And and you know, a lot of the thoughts too are like, well,
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should I even put an application in for this company?
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Because it's not really on my radar or I don't know what I
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think about it. And I always coach people that,
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hey, let's just put as many as we can in so we can get as much
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experience and get as many offers put out there for us as
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we can. So what was your experience with
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that part of it? Because I knew when we talked
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about there's a little bit of resistance.
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Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. So I applied for three different
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flight companies and I ended up getting rejected from my #1,
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which was a little sad. And then my number two, they
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they honestly didn't really even contact me back.
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And so my #3 that I actually. So I applied for multiple bases
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within that one company. And they I was like kind of
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hesitant at all, like I went to the interview, the first
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interview I was like, I don't know if I like this, but I was
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like, you know, I'm going to go back for the second part, like
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obviously I'm not going to not going to do that.
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So I went back and then they ended up offering me the job and
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through working with them over the past like you know.
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Six weeks, 8 weeks. They have been incredibly
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supportive and just very helpful in navigating the first, you
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know, couple months of getting into flight because there's a
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lot of things that have to happen before you even get to
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fly. And so they've just been really
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helpful at getting those things done.
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And yeah, I've I've been super, super.
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Happy with them and it's just kind of funny because they were
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my third option. But I'm I'm so glad that I went
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with them because they, yeah, they have been really helpful
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and just very, you know, on on my side, on my team, like
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they've really been pushing me, but also just.
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Supportive of what I want to do and how I want to do it.
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And, you know, willing to work with me and my schedule to get
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it done, yeah. And what do you think like
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coaching has done for you? Because I know there was a lot
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of different little tiny decisions that you had to make
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throughout the whole process of applications, throughout
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acceptance, even to now you know, deciding whether you're
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going to stay PRN part time with your current job, all of that.
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How is coaching really kind of helped you make some of those
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decisions or? In that way of like just getting
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clarity for you. Yeah, I think the biggest thing
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with coaching is that again, like, it's just helped me trust
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myself to make the right decisions And it.
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Yeah. And it's not even like, oh,
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you're telling me what to do because I'm sure you have
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amazing advice because you've been in that, you know place
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before. But.
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It's just like giving me the will, like the the confidence to
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make those decisions because I think a lot of times like same,
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you know, same with like coaching and therapy.
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It's not necessarily like, oh, they'll give you advice.
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It's like you already know what you want.
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It's just how much you trust yourself.
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To get what you want. And so I think that's been the
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biggest thing with coaching that's helped me is it's like I
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already knew what decisions I needed to make.
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I just needed to trust myself to make those decisions, take those
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leaps of faith to, you know, stretch, stretch myself.
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And so that's that's what I would say has been the the most
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helpful thing And yeah, and. This is not normally something
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that I ever would do, but I was just really in a place where I
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was like I need something more to help me because I'm feeling
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like I'm going backwards. And so I'm yeah, I'm so thankful
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because it it really has helped a lot.
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And you definitely have put in the work too, like something
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that you had mentioned before. Maybe our previous session was
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like, I don't feel overwhelmed and stressed, like, is there
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something wrong with that? Because everybody's telling me I
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should, but I think that's just a testament to you trusting
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yourself. Yeah, yeah, I think, you know,
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I. I'm trusting myself and I have
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already put in like all the hard work I've gotten, all of my
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certifications. I like to start flight.
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I only needed 11 certification that I didn't have, and you need
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like 8 certifications to fly. Like I'd already done all that
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stuff. I'd taken my CEN like like I'd
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put in the hard work. I just needed to promote myself
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and I needed to kind of show off.
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To these flight companies, who I was and what I was, so and for
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your coaching, I feel like that's that's what really
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helped. Yeah.
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What is like? I kind of want to wrap it up
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with like 3 different questions for you.
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But what's like one piece of advice that you got maybe even
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early on in your career that's kind of really helped carry you
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to this point of success in nursing of where you are now?
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Yeah. So it's kind of funny I get
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asked this because, you know, I do like precept people a lot at
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work and often times like nurses will ask me that, like how do I,
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how do I become like you? How do I get so much knowledge
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or whatever? And I think the biggest advice
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that I I tell people is. Seek out educational
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opportunities because they will always be there.
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Hospitals work so hard, like they want to retain staff, they
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want to keep their staff and like they want to move them up
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the ranks. You know that they want to that.
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So if you want to learn stuff, they will teach you.
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I think the other thing is just like going to work with the
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mindset that it's like, I'm going to learn something new
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today. I'm going to do something I've
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never done before and then just. Putting yourself in those
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situations, like, you know, it's may not be the case at like it
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inpatient units, but certainly in the ER if you want to be in
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those trauma rooms, we'll get all your stuff done and your
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your patients and then when a trauma comes in, put yourself in
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there. You know, tell that lead nurse
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like, hey, what can I do to help.
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And even if it's like not an important role, you're still
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providing yourself the opportunity to watch and learn
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because a lot of. How you learn in the emergency
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room or just as a nurse is you see it.
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So and that's how you retain knowledge is also it's you're
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like, Oh yeah, I remember that one time I I had this patient or
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there was this patient and this happened.
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So yeah, just immersing yourself in whatever you can get your
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hands in, like go to work with the mindset that I'm going to
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work for 12 hours, I'm going to work hard and I'm going to see
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as much as I can do. Yeah, yeah.
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And then my last question that I have for you is, you know, you
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see it so eloquently now because it's taken, you know, time and
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now you're over that hump. You know what it's like to trust
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yourself, but you also know what it's like to stand at the end of
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that high dive and be scared to take the job.
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So what would you say to the person that's like off the end
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of that high dive, scared to take the jump, knows that they
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got it to get to the next thing for themselves, and knows that
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they have to trust themselves? What is it that you say to that
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person? I think my advice for somebody
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in that place would just be like, just take that leap of
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faith like it's going to be scary.
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It's going to be hard. It's going to be terrifying,
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maybe, but just do it because you will look back, you know,
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six months from now and you will thank yourself for doing it.
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Never view being uncomfortable as a bad thing.
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Like being uncomfortable means that you are learning and that
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you are growing, and growing is a good thing.
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It may not be fun, but it's a good thing because it's going to
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get you where you want to go. So just just do it.
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Yeah, just just do it. And an exercise that we did and
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I think was really pivotal for you too.
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And you can tell me if it was different, but we talked about
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you already in that flight suit. Yeah.
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And she, you know, especially in your difficult time where you
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were like, I've done everything. I put in the applications, I
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keep hitting this wall with them.
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And I said, I said, Haley, let's think about the you who's
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already there. You bought your flight suit.
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You're ready to go. What is she saying to you about
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this moment? I think that that was really
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helpful for you then to make your decision from that.
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Yeah, yeah. That definitely, like drove me
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because it was like I'm somebody who like once I like, say
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something, or once I decide like I'm going to do it, like I do
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it. And it doesn't matter if I'm
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going to, like, scrape my way or I'm going to, you know, fight to
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get there, like I'm going to do it.
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And so I think that helped me a lot because it was like, it's
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going to happen. Like I've already envisioned it.
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It's going to happen. And so I just had to put in the
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work. To do it.
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Yeah, I love that. Well, thank you for being on,
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Haley. Is there anything else that we
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didn't cover that you want to say or that you want to add at
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the end of this or you feel like we pretty much summed it up?
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Yeah, I think, I think the biggest thing that I could
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offer, like advice wise to people was just just trust in
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yourself. I think a lot of times we just
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have so much selfdoubt about ourselves and it's not because
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you know that's who we are. It's just like that's where
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we've gotten. So just just trust yourself
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because I promise like it's going to be worth it.
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And you, you already know the answers, you just.
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You just have to trust yourself. Yeah, I love that.
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And I appreciate you trusting me, like reaching out to me and
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trusting me to help you, you know, go through this process.
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Because that is what it's about for me is showing other people
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like, really what they already have in them and that they're
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capable to get to every single thing that they want to.
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And that's what coaching is about for me.
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Yeah. So I look forward to helping you
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maintain this level of trust and like get you new to the next
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level of getting into flight. So I'm happy we're going to
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continue to work together, but I really appreciate you being on
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today and taking the time to have this discussion about it.
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For sure, Yeah. Thank you.
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Okay bye. Bye.
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I'm a.