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MKUltra Hearings: The 21st Century Version | The Occult Rejects · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen?
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  Speaker 3: What I to Welcome back to Magus in the media.
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  Speaker 3: Hello everyone, on this fine Thursday, the Day of thor
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  Speaker 3: as we bring the lightning down on everything that is
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  Speaker 3: going on in this current day and age. And if
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  Speaker 3: you watched, we are moving forward to part two from
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  Speaker 3: part one of the mk Ultra hearings. Today we're going
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  Speaker 3: to talk about this twenty first century version of mk Ultra.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, for anybody just joining us that didn't
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  Speaker 3: catch last time show yesterday, let me catch you up
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. This is gonna I'm gonna break it
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  Speaker 3: down because today we build straight off of what happened
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  Speaker 3: yesterday during our breakdown of these mk Ultra hearings and Congress.
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  Speaker 3: So a few days ago, Congress held a hearing on
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  Speaker 3: MK Ultra. Anna Paulina Luna organizing it. She's running the
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  Speaker 3: Task Force on declassifying old governmental secrets. Interesting enough, I'm
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  Speaker 3: always wondering does any of these declassifications actually ever matter.
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  Speaker 3: I think they do because they bring things to the
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  Speaker 3: forefront that then we as our own researchers, studiers and
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  Speaker 3: sovereign magicians, as we're continually trying to bring up. It's
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  Speaker 3: important because we're bringing it to the consciousness and to
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  Speaker 3: our awareness. And whatever you think about her politics, it's
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  Speaker 3: not really what the point of this is all about.
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  Speaker 3: The point is who she's putting in that room. Two
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  Speaker 3: men who spent decades in this material. Stephen Kinzer, historian
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  Speaker 3: who wrote Poisoner in Chief about Sidney Gottlieb, the guy
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  Speaker 3: who actually ran this program day to day, the Sydney Gottlieb,
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  Speaker 3: that is. And Tom O'Neill. If you haven't read his
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  Speaker 3: book Chaos, please go out and buy it right now.
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  Speaker 3: He's an investigative journalist twenty years chasing down this book.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just talking about Chaos, which ties this whole thing
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  Speaker 3: straight into Charles Manson. Well, we'll get there. So most
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  Speaker 3: people here MK Ultra and their brains go straight to
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  Speaker 3: some kind of Cold War rumor CIA slipping up and
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  Speaker 3: slipping acid into people's coffees and drinks, and a cute
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  Speaker 3: little conspiracy footnotes that we are just like all you
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theorists out there, but we are vindicated. That's not
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  Speaker 3: what this actually was. Twenty years, twenty years American soil
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  Speaker 3: taxpayer money authorized from the very top of intelligence apparatusus LSD,
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  Speaker 3: electro shock, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, psychological torture on citizens, prisoners,
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  Speaker 3: hospital patients, and people who never actually said yes to
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  Speaker 3: any of it. One hundred and forty nine subprojects of
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  Speaker 3: MK Ultra eighty plus institutions, almost two hundred outside researchers.
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  Speaker 3: This wasn't just as just everybody knows. This wasn't just
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  Speaker 3: some like rogue like lab coat scientist situation. This was
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  Speaker 3: coordinated at the highest levels all the way down. This
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  Speaker 3: was sustained by them, and then it was hidden on purpose.
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  Speaker 3: So today we're going to talk about just that. And
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  Speaker 3: before I continue recapping what happened yesterday, my co host,
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  Speaker 3: the brilliant, the Lovely Cardinal Electric Head Nick the creator
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  Speaker 3: and discoverer of the Occult Rejects, thank you for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you man? I appreciate coming on. I always love
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  Speaker 2: doing this. I'm doing well, though, doing very well. Can't complain.
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  Speaker 2: So what are you.
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  Speaker 3: Thinking about all this nonsense? That were nonsense is in
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  Speaker 3: all this fucking crazy shit that's going on in our world?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's you know, something you had said earlier.
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  Speaker 2: You're like you know, does it always mean anything when
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  Speaker 2: these files are dropped, when stuff is disclosed. I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of times it does, But I think people
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  Speaker 2: end up focusing on the wrong shit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But like I think if you saw looking at
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  Speaker 2: the bigger picture on this stuff, I think that's where
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  Speaker 2: you really see like what the fuck? You know? But uh,
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  Speaker 2: I do think like a lot of this stuff, uh,
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  Speaker 2: except for like you know, I guess you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: the drugs. Magicians use drugs too though, Uh, but maybe
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  Speaker 2: besides the drugs and like you know, certain abuse or
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  Speaker 2: whatever or certain things, there's a lot of shit that
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  Speaker 2: I think that is done that is very occult, Like yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know with the you know, the hypnosis and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. Uh, you know, getting people to believe certain things,
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  Speaker 2: to act certain ways. I think that old teach is
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  Speaker 2: kind of like magic in the occult in a negative sense,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Or it's kind of like taking what uh
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  Speaker 2: what I think the ritual is supposed to be doing
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  Speaker 2: the practice the practitioner and doing it to it's a
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  Speaker 2: subject who was unwilling and unknown. Yeah, and it's not
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  Speaker 2: really an initiation for them. They're not supposed to come
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  Speaker 2: out a better person. You're just manipulating this nervous system. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: No, I completely agree. One of the two rules that
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  Speaker 3: Timothy Leary came up with, well, he was doing his
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  Speaker 3: LSD experiments on prisoners, which he was doing, but they
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  Speaker 3: were supposedly willing and they signed contracts, and history enough,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of these you can go find in his work.
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  Speaker 3: He actually was able to cure prisoners because of as
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  Speaker 3: you and I both know, once you go into federal
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  Speaker 3: prison and most jails, you don't come out. Even if
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  Speaker 3: you come out, you go right back in.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, this recidicism rate in the FEDS is ridiculous, dude.
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  Speaker 2: I was in there with people who were already talking
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  Speaker 2: about the next crime they were going to do. Who
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  Speaker 2: the fucker You didn't even get out yet and you're
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  Speaker 2: in here for five years and you already Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. And a lot of people are
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  Speaker 3: learning more crimes in prison so they can do them
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  Speaker 3: better when they're out.
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  Speaker 2: Yo. There was a kid that I was locked up
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  Speaker 2: with that got arrested for guns and he was like
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  Speaker 2: asking me because he found out I was locked up
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  Speaker 2: for steroids. This kid had taken a class in prison,
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  Speaker 2: so we can understand chemistry about it, because he had
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  Speaker 2: this idea he was gonna make steroids when he got
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  Speaker 2: out wild Yeah, and that's when he met me. He
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is great. He started asking me
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  Speaker 2: all the questions, you know, and how I was doing it,
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  Speaker 2: this and that. But I was just like, this is
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  Speaker 2: a kid who came in here for guns, and somehow,
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  Speaker 2: on his own he had the idea I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: start selling steroids. Wow, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so there's that.
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  Speaker 2: I even spoke to the kid after the fact and
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  Speaker 2: he asked me if i'd start growing for him. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, motherfucker no.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm good on that ship.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, I think I'll find it was only two years.
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  Speaker 2: I was long enough.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, fucking anytime in that as long enough.
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  Speaker 2: But walking around with hundreds of pedophiles at my own house,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: He's fucking whacked.
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  Speaker 3: That is fucking whack. That's crazy. Well, what Learry said
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  Speaker 3: enough was that you shouldn't change the consciousness of anybody
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  Speaker 3: else unwillingly. That's that's not okay, And I think that's
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  Speaker 3: really important, especially in these you know from the sixties
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  Speaker 3: and seventies of the hippie revolution, right, which really wasn't
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  Speaker 3: a revolution, not an organic one at that, that you
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  Speaker 3: you know you no one should change your consciousness unwillingly,
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  Speaker 3: nor should you change anyone else's unwillingly. And this is
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  Speaker 3: I think a very universal principle of all these things,
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  Speaker 3: which is why then something like the Freemasons, they don't
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  Speaker 3: recruit you go to them. So that is like you
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  Speaker 3: signing a tacit agreement that it is okay for what
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  Speaker 3: to happen in these rituals, which I think is I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm a proponent of the Masons as an I'm not one,
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  Speaker 3: but I think those rituals are very helpful. Two men
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  Speaker 3: who are looking for, you know, other men to join
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  Speaker 3: so we can chat. I feel like we're we're lost
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  Speaker 3: in that, and I think that's really important.
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  Speaker 2: You know one thing I did want to say too.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly what you just said now that
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  Speaker 2: maybe you think of it because I looked at that,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, yeah, I lost my train of thought, but
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  Speaker 2: I remember what I wanted to say. Oh, I think
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  Speaker 2: it has to do with like you know, oh the yeah,
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  Speaker 2: with like stuff affecting your body or people affecting you,
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  Speaker 2: and you should know. I even think this is my experience.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if other people are in other situes,
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  Speaker 2: in other secret societies or whatever orders, if anybody listening
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  Speaker 2: has done initiations. I don't know about you, but I
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  Speaker 2: had to sign a bunch of paperwork.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, you're like basically waving off if anything happens, you know,
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  Speaker 2: blah blah blah, And it's like if you My opinion is,
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  Speaker 2: is that all there because they know they are kind
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  Speaker 2: of like doing something to you? I think so, you know,
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  Speaker 2: like I think you know, or at least somebody who
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  Speaker 2: wrote up that shit up maybe new maybe not the
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  Speaker 2: people who were actually doing it. But I almost feel
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  Speaker 2: like they know that they're kind of affecting you, and
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  Speaker 2: they don't want to have any responsibility for it if
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't go right.
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  Speaker 3: No, And I think that's it's also important to know.
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  Speaker 3: Is yeah, I completely agree?
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  Speaker 2: Actually yeah, I had to sign a bunch of shit
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  Speaker 2: that basically made them not liable, and I understood everything
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  Speaker 2: that was going to happen to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I make people sign I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I make people sign training with me. Something is simple
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  Speaker 3: as that. You know, it's like and we're not I'm
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  Speaker 3: not changing any well, I am, but you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: just martial arts and all these things because you just
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  Speaker 3: never know. And so I think it's an important thing
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  Speaker 3: and that that comes back to what we're talking about today,
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  Speaker 3: is that these people didn't get no one signed anything.
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  Speaker 3: They have been stealing people off the streets and working
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  Speaker 3: on them. They've been right with Project Climax, Operation Climax.
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  Speaker 3: They were slipping they called John's. They've been slipping John's LSD,
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  Speaker 3: and they're they're making hookers and prostitutes, ladies of the
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  Speaker 3: night working for them as they're then seeing what this
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  Speaker 3: substance was doing to their chemistry and then probably following
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  Speaker 3: them afterwards to see what it was going on in
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  Speaker 3: the real world.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there was something I saw. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if this person was like talking to Smack or whatever,
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  Speaker 2: but they were talking about that operation and they were
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  Speaker 2: saying that something supposedly came out to where wasn't just
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  Speaker 2: the Johns. I wish I could remember, because when I
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  Speaker 2: heard it, I was like, God, damn, that's actually pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 2: But that whole situation was actually like a lot like
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  Speaker 2: they were studying a lot more of like I think,
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  Speaker 2: of the whole situation, there was something else besides whatever
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  Speaker 2: the Johns said that was attached to what they were
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  Speaker 2: looking to get out of that. And so I mean
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  Speaker 2: that project wasn't just about those dudes running their mouths.
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  Speaker 2: There was actually other things. I wish I remembered what
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  Speaker 2: it was, because it's kind of pointless to bring it up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah no, but but they were studying a lot of things.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah no, I completely agree. And it goes back to
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  Speaker 3: extend exactly of like why does this have to do
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  Speaker 3: anything with magic, the occult myth or meaning? And it
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  Speaker 3: has a lot of that to do with because everything
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  Speaker 3: that they, like we talked about last show, everything that
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  Speaker 3: they're doing in mk Ultra and all their subprojects one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty subprojects of Kultra, everything that led into it,
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  Speaker 3: Project Bluebird Art to Choke and everything with that. They
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  Speaker 3: are the dark sorcerers that are manipulating people's consciousnesses and
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  Speaker 3: nervous systems. To then, as Gottlieb said, and Jolly West themselves,
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  Speaker 3: we are manipulating their consciousness. We are real we are
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  Speaker 3: destroying their old memories and personas and re imprinting them
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  Speaker 3: with what we want them to do. That doesn't sound
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  Speaker 3: like dark sorcery and black magic. I don't know what does. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: propaganda and then not getting any jail time as well.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna read here in just a second from my notes,
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  Speaker 3: we see that Gottlieb himself lived, wrote poetry, lived in
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  Speaker 3: his cabin, did nothing, Jolly West died a peaceful life.
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  Speaker 3: Supposedly these people got no jail time. And these people
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  Speaker 3: are offshoots of the Nazi, of the Nazis of that
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  Speaker 3: timeframe as their work in consort together. And then these
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  Speaker 3: things never ended, right, That's what's so fascinating about watching
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  Speaker 3: X and Instagram and all the social media's and people
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  Speaker 3: being all like, did this ever end? That's the question?
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  Speaker 3: And I'm all like, these are all news stations, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm all like, interesting, I'm gonna play a clip here
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  Speaker 3: in a second, did this ever end? And it's like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: of course it didn't. Our entire civilization is now built
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  Speaker 3: up off of what MK Ultra did and their experiments.
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  Speaker 2: Oh for sure.
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  Speaker 3: So it's fascinating. So just to give everybody a nice
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  Speaker 3: little recap of what we talked about, last show, just
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  Speaker 3: so you know. So most people hear mk ultra and
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  Speaker 3: their brain kind of again goes to the Cold War
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  Speaker 3: CIA LSD experiments. But it's much more than that. This
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  Speaker 3: was hidden away on purpose, and when it ended in
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  Speaker 3: nineteen seventy three, the men running it actually didn't come forward.
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  Speaker 3: They committed another crime. In nineteen seventy three, Richard Helms,
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  Speaker 3: on his way out the door as CIA director, personally
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  Speaker 3: orders the records to be destroyed. Four people spend a
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  Speaker 3: full day burning hundreds, one hundred and fifty files. One
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  Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two files they burned.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how much time we'd get for that, for destroying evidence?
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  Speaker 3: What's you? How much time these people are gonna get
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  Speaker 3: that climb the Empire State Building? And yet doctor Fouchi
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  Speaker 3: still walks around to this fucking play right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Right?
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  Speaker 3: Is that crazy?
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  Speaker 2: I was in the wrong thing instead of steroids, I
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  Speaker 2: should have been doing.
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  Speaker 3: L Yeah exactly, instead of like trying to help people
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  Speaker 3: look good and feel cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, matter in their psyche.
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  Speaker 3: That's hilarious. So Gottlieb has his own secretary destroy his
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  Speaker 3: personal papers as well. Sigafy God got us, Yeah, sigav
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  Speaker 3: God Gottlieb, and the head of the CIA's own record
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  Speaker 3: center writes up protesting gets overruled anyway. So here's what
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  Speaker 3: happens to these two men's. Helms gets two thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: fine for lying to Congress about something unrelated, keeps his
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  Speaker 3: pension till the day he eyes. Gottlieb goes and lives
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  Speaker 3: a quiet life in rural Virginia that writes poetry. Neither
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  Speaker 3: one sees a day in prison, no one, None of
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  Speaker 3: those victims ever get compensated for anything that's happened to
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  Speaker 3: And the only reason we even know about what is
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  Speaker 3: basically an accident some archives in nineteen seven seventy seven
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  Speaker 3: process a foyer request stumbles onto seven boxes of finan
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  Speaker 3: financial records that goes misfiled and missed the fire. They
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  Speaker 3: didn't get burnt, thank god, because without those boxes, the
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  Speaker 3: whole thing stays a rumor forever, which is exactly what
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  Speaker 3: Helms and Gottlieb wanted. So now let's say with Gottlieb
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  Speaker 3: for a second, because you got to understand this man,
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  Speaker 3: to understand what, we're gonna listen to everything else. Kinser said,
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  Speaker 3: it was plain. Say it's plain is day in his
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  Speaker 3: testimony got Lead's actual beliefs in his own words from
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  Speaker 3: the record, was that to implant a new mind into somebody,
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  Speaker 3: first you have to destroy the mind that was already there.
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  Speaker 3: Let's let's sit with that for a second. That sounds
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  Speaker 3: like alchemy, actually right, then gredo to burn things away
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  Speaker 3: to rebuild from there. But in the negrado, in actual alchemy,
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  Speaker 3: we're not burning all things away. You're only burning away
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  Speaker 3: the dead ash that let in part of your the
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  Speaker 3: animal desire, all these gross things. You just we want
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  Speaker 3: that to go away so we can then qui ga
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  Speaker 3: let slovy build it back up through the robato, the
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  Speaker 3: whitening and then you know, the yellowing and all that.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's fascinating, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted to ask, but I don't want to.
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  Speaker 2: I always feel like if you when you get on
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  Speaker 2: this ship, because I feel like this stuff does exist,
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like it gets so blown out of proportion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think like.
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  Speaker 2: Some forms of SR right might have been used?
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  Speaker 3: Thank you? I am so happy you brought that up,
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  Speaker 3: because I've been thinking of that about that exact thing,
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  Speaker 3: about like.
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  Speaker 2: Where did it and trauma and shattering.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, And I think that's exactly one of the
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  Speaker 3: tools to this day, that is the SSR eyes are
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  Speaker 3: being used in consort with the algorithms, the propaganda that's
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  Speaker 3: being spewed through our phones, the putting people's in vulnerable states,
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  Speaker 3: the drinking water during in the frogs, gay and you know,
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  Speaker 3: everything that's going on. I think it's leading to an
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  Speaker 3: all of the red forty, blue five, yellow six, all
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  Speaker 3: of the you know, hormone disruptors in our tap water.
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  Speaker 3: Everything that's going on, I think leads to then this
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  Speaker 3: demonic aggrigore thing that's connecting this parasite and possession that
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  Speaker 3: connects to people puts them in this NPC like state,
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  Speaker 3: right adderall I think does a very similar thing. And
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  Speaker 3: then you know, and especially you know, you and I
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  Speaker 3: are both cannabis users. But the idea is that now
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  Speaker 3: you add all these things and now give somebody cannabis
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  Speaker 3: or any other drugs that are now trying to sedate
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  Speaker 3: and or get them out of their everyday experience. Because
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: cannabis is a psychedelic at high dosages, I think then
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  Speaker 3: you get the direct proponent for a Manchurian candidate Asassin
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  Speaker 3: without their knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I thot that too. Like and when I
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  Speaker 2: say SRA for me, I'm not necessarily meaning it's like
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  Speaker 2: like somebody's invoking like Bales above Orlodius and some shit
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  Speaker 2: and like, you know, trying to put a demon in
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  Speaker 2: someone's head. I'm just saying like either abused sexually or
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  Speaker 2: like kind of like I don't know, I could see
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  Speaker 2: being like you're want to use the word satanic. I
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  Speaker 2: I just that could be so many things. I think
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: that you could be doing somebody that I would consider satanic.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, nice, okay, And that's the thing.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: So I am forms of abuse?
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I agree, I do agree. And interesting enough,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I even switch it when you said it, so I
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: thought you said SSRI. I So I was thinking. I
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: was thinking the pharmaceutical drugs that are changing sea.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: I heard you say sslright, I was like, oh man,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: putting those together would.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Be But now this is adding to the melting pot
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: because then you get exactly what you're talking about. And again,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I want everybody before we even get to this is
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: why we're laying this out so far, is because this
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: is all doing exactly what in Prometheus Rising, Robert Anton
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Wilson is talking about in Timothy Leary's work in consort
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: with John C. Lilly and his The Human Biocomputer in
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: the Eight Circuits of Consciousness, is that LSD being a
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: neuroprogramming drug. Put your olympics system, put your nervous system
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: into an imprint vulnerable state, so then you can reprint,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: re imprint somebody the way you want them to, which
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: is then why I think again people are gonna hate this,
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: maybe in the New age spiritual psychedelic communities, but I
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: think microdosing is wrong.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I agree actually with that too.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's wrong.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Very slippery slope. I think you can find putting yourself
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: in some fantasy world.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: Yep, fantasy world, or now you're doing it for business
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, are you market dosing for your business?
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Are you getting are you bringing more consumer capitalism? Make
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: sure you take Sam Harris's meditation. He's really goot and
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: us there. Sam Harris, the new atheist who fucking loves
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Israel and thinks Palestine is not a state. This fucking
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: poofter who doesn't believe in an afterlife or any of
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the ocult mystical stuff, writes a meditation app and is
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: now pushing propaganda for whoever. It's not the point about
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Sam Harris. The point is this corporate, capitalistic, consumer psychedelic
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: new aging nonsense thing where everyone is. You know, if
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: you don't have, as you can see in my room
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: in my office, I put signs and symbols and books
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and all these things. And I wear a cross as
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: well as my ruins because if I have a mixture
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: of I'm trying to remind myself of something. The Cross
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: isn't just a Christian mythos. The Cross is a mythos
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: between throughout all time, I also, being a ceremonial magician,
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: am continually invoking the cabalist across. Why Because I'm trying
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: to remind myself that Yahida that I am bringing. I'm
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: trying to expand that holy Guardian Angel to unite with it,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: because what am I doing otherwise?
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the whole goal of the benches, coll
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: goal of them supposed to be. I don't think most
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: people even know that. I'm not saying that, not even
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: saying a cult. It's like, you know, either conspiracy theorists
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: or people just getting into it. That is like that's right,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Get I like, you know, somebody like making a schedule
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: to get at their neighbor because they pissed them off.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: It's just like, that's totally foreign from what I thought
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: it was about, you know, completely different, you know what
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I'm saying so.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Now, and so it's just interesting. It's like and everyone's
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: symbols are to their own, just like Craley states in
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: seven seven seven or in our eaching the Book of Changes,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: these are correspondences that you know, many people have walked
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: the path of the unconscious into the dark shadows of
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: the night and looked and came back and shown us things.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: And so there are connections and correspondences in these things
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that are we all should use because that's the objective
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: ground that we're working with of truth. But then you're
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: supposed to do it yourself, make your own, but you
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: don't need to tell anybody. So these signs and symbols
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: and stories, mythos, these are mine. And I'm here also
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: with megas in the media as the Old Court rejects
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: are nick with. What is doing is that we're here
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: to just make sure you know that you don't need
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: to be brainwashed by the dark sorcerers and you don't
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: need to play kate to individuals you may not agree with,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: because it's in the nuance is where we find the
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: true magic of all things. And if you're not, as
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: we said before, if you're not in control of your
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: nervous system, somebody else's.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: So right.
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: You know, it's like a fascinating it's fascinating thing. So
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: let's continue with what we figured out last time. So
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: this is this is what we figured out last time.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: Kinser brought us something else for Wor's chewing on. Gottleeb
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: didn't come up through the same pipeline as every other
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: senior CIA officer of that era, the prep schools and
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the Ivy League schools and the yacht clubs and all
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: these guys. They came from the silver spoon mold. Gottlieb
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: was the son of an Orthodox Jewish refugee. He had
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: a limp, he had a stutter. And kinserfloats at the
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: idea maybe that this wasn't an accident at all, that
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: maybe the agency knew from day one that whoever held
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: his job was going to do terrible things, and they
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: wanted a smoking gun. They wanted somebody else that they
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: could hang it all on, who never really is one
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: of their own. Gottlieb becomes this guy, everything gets pinned
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: on and the institution stays clean. From there, we jump
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: into O'Neill's world, and this starts somewhere completely different, So
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Tom O'Neil, and it ends up right back in the
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: same place. Interesting enough. Nineteen ninety nine, he takes a
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: magazine assignment to write about Manson's murders. Charles Manson and
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: his murders. One question just will not let him go.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: How does a barely literate ex con hippie get ordinary
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: kids to murder strangers just because he told them to?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Great question? The question eventually walks him straight to doctor
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Luis Jollion West, Jolly to his friend's crazy name for
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a man who committed so many horrendous acts, And O'Neil
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: finds out that in nineteen sixty seven, the exact year
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Manson turns into the cult leader that we know today,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: West has set up a research operation at San Francisco.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: Clint and Manson's own followers are getting free medical care
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: at the same clinic the same year, in the same place.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting?
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Nick?
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, and yet so fascinating is that through
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: all these years. It's just like mka Aultr. You're a
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: crazy person for believing any of this. Charles Manson, he
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: was just a lone nut.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I even Yeah, so I guess maybe this is when
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: the conspiracy theorist comes in. But I even questioned, motherfucker
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: ever even went to jail. Oh, I thought they. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: just think they just brought him in from when they
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: were actually put you on the screen.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: And who knows how long the reimprinting and the different
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: experiments they do with people actually last and hold. You know,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: so I consider each nervous system, each body being in
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: the world, Each person here has their own. The mind
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: fights back, as we know, and memories start. You know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: we've seen all the movies where the memories, right, What
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: is Vanilla Sky is a great representation of that, right,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: And there's another there's a few silly ones out there,
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: but there's these dystopian sci fi things where we start
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: to find the mind is starts to remember what is real,
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: and then you get this cognitive dissonance and you don't
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: know what reality actually is. Yeah, you know, and we
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: all kind of.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Have that, oh for sure, And so we're perpetually kind
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: of in that in a sense right now, Yeah, and
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I you know, because this thing's going on that we're
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: being told is something else and we don't even know
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: what the fuck I'm saying.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: And that's a very Phillip K. Dick world of like
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: what is real? How do you define real? And you're
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: trying to wake up from that reality and you have
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: to then question, right, we don't want to go so
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: far as to then you're like, my family is in
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: on it, right. I've had that experience on high dosages
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: of psychedelics where all of a sudden, you're all like,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: everyone knows, everyone knows the truth. Why haven't they told me?
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, that's bullshit. That's that's the higher circuits
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: getting conflated with the lower lower body. And it's not
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: like no, not everyone knows. Not everybody's a magician. Now, Brandon,
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: only you are having your revelation.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Right, No, you're right with like the people of the OTO.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, no, actually, I just don't think any
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of them have a fucking clue.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Completely interesting enough, I think I have these revelations when I,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: you know, first hit that neuro somatic circuit from that
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: beautiful pen that I have and it's all of a sudden,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: all these connections happen, and you're all like, Wow, why
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: are most occultists and magicians and why am I not
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: hearing these things from them? Why are they not seeing
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the same connection to disclosure and aliens as I have?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Have they not reached certain states of consciousness even through
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: their occult practices and these lodges. And I feel like
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you've had very similar instances with yourself and others.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I don't know what it is, but I
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: feel like people that are very structural that are in
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: those orders like that. I hate to you know, I'm
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: not knocking the order, but I'd rather kind of maybe
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: stick with the Golden Don as an excuse. They get
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: very like specific and structural, and I think doing that,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: you're missing the magic. Yes, And I think their own
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: they also are only looking at it through a Golden
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Don lens. Yeah. I mean Josephine McCarthy, somebody I would
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: like to get on the show. One day she had
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: come out with she came out I can't remember with
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: her own I forgot the name of Quarria, her own
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: kind of like order, but it was online and it
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: was booked like it was free PDFs, and she said,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: if you do it correctly, it's probably going to take
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you seventeen years, fifteen to seventy years. So I mean
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it was, you know, definitely something that was very in
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: depth and it was very like much more based on yourself.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: But I remember listening to her saying she said, and
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I was like, damn when I heard her say this.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: She was one of the reasons why I left the
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: OTO too. Is listening to her say that, you know,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: she even said, I'm not knocking, like what is like
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: the OTO or the Golden Dorn. I think she might
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: have said another one, but she says, when you go
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: to those orders, she says, think of magic as as
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: electricity or an outlet. She says, the golden down is
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: going to be the lamp on the light that's plugged
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: into the outlet.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: It's just their version of what they know, what they
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: want you to know.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in another model to you, how didn't you just.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Go to the source yourself? Yeah, So sometimes I think
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: there is magic in there, and I think there is
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: also Put it this way, a lot of magicians don't
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: give a fuck about the signs, right, And I think
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that's a huge part of the problem. Again, you're so
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: rigid on technique of ritual and reading the next old
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: fucking thing that's probably got some you know thing in
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: there to you know, new thing to find that. I
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: don't think they'll ever entertain like other stuff.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fascinating, Nor will they entertain books like this The
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Cloud upon the Sanctuary that this book is the reason
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: Alistair one of the reasons Alistair Crowley right by Carl
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: von Eckenstein, basically was like, Okay, the Golden Dawn got
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: it good. I think there's something we're missing here. Are
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: we falling suit to too structural in our understanding of
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: what the interaction with the divine on the tree and
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: these grades and all these things is. He's like, there
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: seems to be a religion, not a religion, a church
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: that is upon the clouds. And I want to be
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: an initiate of the adoptshit adomp ship of old, this
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: prophet of profits, this linear time, this thing that is
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: awakening us all the true magic within, and I find
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: it that there we're kind of missing that. You know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of hate for Kroley himself because of
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: he was that rebel and Renegade, and then to even
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: talk about lon Milo's new book, which I'm I'm gonna
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: fucking come out with that goddamn interview soon because it
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: is brilliant and he says a lot of amazing things.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: And I read that book really fast because it's really good. Nick,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: that book was fantastic, Say yes, yes, read that whole thing.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Like, what the fuye? Maybe they're going to come on
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: why they sent me his book?
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: I think you will then, I think so that book
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: is fantastic. And why I bring it up even is
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: because we forget that magic isn't who we are. Magic
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: is everything we do right, and and it's not even
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: just everything we do. It is in all things, at
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: all times. We just have to awaken our lower self
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: into the magic itself.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Very very Crowley like, I'm probably I'm paraphrasing it, but
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Crowley had even said something like why do we do
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: magic because we can't help it?
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Because we can't help it. I love that. I love that,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And so that is taking it back. Not do it, yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: because we cannot not. And when we cannot not, that's
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: when other people do magic against us. And that's when
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: dark sorcers like fucking Jolly West. And these characters who
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: aren't ceremonial magicians, they're just they're just narcissistic psychopaths who
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: have been given a job, and that is to control
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: power and to try to lead us into this agenda
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty, into this dystopic framework society that we're living
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: in today, because these people are just small little ponds
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: on a larger scheme. And if you're not again turning
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: yourself into your own sovereign magician who's ruled by no
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: one other than your own holy guardian angel, who is
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: but just the expression of the divine of that aim,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: so flightning bolt, flash of light that we're bringing down
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: when we do our cabalistic cross or do any of
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: our ritualistic work, or just the Christian mysticism, the mystic
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: path of divine unity. I think that the sacred marriage.
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: I think if this was more fully expressed, I think
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: then things like mk Ultra wouldn't have been able to
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: go underground and lasted for so long, and maybe we
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: would live in a society that's not ruled by parasitic oligarchs,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: technocratic feudalists, you know what I mean. Well, here we go,
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: it's going to continue on. O'Neil keeps pulling out these
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: threads that and eventually getting into over two hundred boxes
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: of West's personal papers at UCLA, and there he finds
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: letters direct correspondences between West and Gottlieb himself. West is
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: proposing experiments on unwitting subjects, military guys, prisoners, psychiatric patients.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: He wants to extract true information and implant false information.
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: He wants to flip the loyalty of what he calls
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: previously loyal individuals, completely switch somebody's allegiance from one leader
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: to another without them ever knowing it happened to them. Huh, weird.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Sounds like the VID right, sounds like at eleven, sounds
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: like these black Swan events we've been going through for
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: a long time. Right, So there's one sentence that stopped
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: O'Neil cold when he found it. West writes that these
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: experiments have to eventually get tested in the field. Maybe
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: these things that I'm exactly talking about, maybe Jack Ruby,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: maybe uh Oswald, may be all these characters. Gottlieb writes back,
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: practically giddy, telling West he's developed an admirably accurate picture
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: of exactly what they're after. Now here's the piece that
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: really matters, though, a fourteen page report West writes nineteen
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: fifty six. In it, he claims he's figured out how
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to replace someone's real memories with false ones without them knowing,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: using hypnotic suggestion. His own words, he says, it's feasible
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: to take a real event out of somebody's life and,
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: through hypnosis, get them to consciously believe that event never
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: actually happened at all, and that that's a completely made
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: up event actually happened instead. Huh.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: You know, it's really wild. Like I said two parts yesterday,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: it's four part four part series on hypnosis. Oh nice,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and it's actually really wild to see how that works.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: It's it's really I mean, there's things being said and dumb,
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: but it's really your body that's making the choice to
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Actually it's a lot to explain, but it's kind of weird.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: It's little different than I expected.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: No, that's cool. Yeah, everyone should go over and check out.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: It's weird.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Your mechanics of magic that you're doing. It's fantastic work.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And I think it's really important because this is the
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: science and art of causing change to conformity of somebody
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: else's will, right, I mean, we're supposed to only do
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: it to our own reality, our own body, and our
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: own mind, our own world. But yet this is being
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: done to others for some grander experiment, some grander thing
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: that I think is exactly what we're seeing today in
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: our algorithms.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know a better way to say it, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of go along with the stuff that
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you're saying. Is that. I guess I was surprised to
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: see how much it really is just your nervous system
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: reacting two things in a weird way that that makes
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: you just fucking doing yep, or just go along with it,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: or you believe it, or it's just it's actually it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: just like, Yo, we're that fucking easy, right, God damn
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: we are? We are?
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: You?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like one day you have a craving I
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: want twigs bar. Why, well, because maybe you just watched
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: a twixst commercial that you forgot and all of a
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: sudden you're going out and getting it. Why do you
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: buy the things you buy? Why do you crave the
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: things you crave? It's actually maybe because the bacteria in
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: your gut, the bad ones, have been overactive, and now
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: you crave all the bad things because they're trying to
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: feed it, or like how peptides work, or in from
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: your hyperthalmis, and all of a sudden, it's feeding the
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: rest of your body, so it craves these emotional experiences.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Now take it one step further. You actually have a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: life that you're living with your psyche and the history
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: that you've lived. And now there are individuals now then
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: now who can completely wipe those things clean. One day, again,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: a tone arrives on your phone. You didn't know what
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: it was, and then all of a sudden you kind
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: of kind of like twitch out. And then all of
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: a sudden you go on a mission and you black
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: out everything that just happens. You wake up a day later,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: you have no idea what's going on. That could happen
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: to anybody. Interesting enough, however, I think that there is
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: there's a reprieve. There is a way out of that,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and that is goes back to exactly what we're talking
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: about practice magic, meaning in waking up to the story
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: of this dystopic reality that we're in, you put yourself
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: in it. That's the thing. We are not victims to this,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: not victims to circumstance. That's not what either of us
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: are here ever to do. We're actually here to tell
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: you that you did it to yourself. And I'm not
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: victim blaming either. I'm not trying to be all like, oh,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: all the victims from Epstein they did it to themselves. No,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: that's not you're taking it out of hand. It's a
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: nuanced conversation where it's like, there are bad people doing
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: bad things, and you could just be a random stance.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you took a wrong turn in
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: an alley away and you got kidnapped. That's not your fault,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: you know. But the idea is that we must do
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: everything you can before that situation arises, to not then
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: put ourselves into situations that could lead to something terrible
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: to happen. But sometimes you never know, because karma and
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: the universe, as Tool says, is hostile, so impersonal to
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: vour to survive. So it is so it's always been,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: and in that that's when we can rise up, rise up,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: and maybe cure some of our suffering and these crazy
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: things that happens to us fascinating. One more piece from
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: O'Neill that's worth repeating is exactly that Wes inserts himself
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: into the Jack Ruby case. Jack Ruby the person who
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: killed Oswald. So Oswald could never talk Jack Ruby. Then,
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: so Wes gets alone with Jack Ruby in his cell
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: and comes out and declares that Ruby had a psychotic
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: break and then he's never going to recover from it.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: It's interesting how drolly West comes up and all these things.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Two months later, Ruby gives his only public testimony to
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: the Warren Commission, and it completely falls apart into incoherence.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: O'Neill's conclusions on the record under oath is that he
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: believes West has placed was placed there specifically to keep
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Ruby from ever telling his story. Now, this is where
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Nick and I went somewhere with his testimony that doesn't
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: really get covered on anywhere else. So tell your friends
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: to make sure you subscribe. I can share it to
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: the occult rejects in magus in the media, because we're
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: bringing you the topics and the things that no one
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: else will bring up. And I think this is really important.
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: It belongs right here in this timeline. Oswald himself spent
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: time in Russia working on what was reportedly the vaccine.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: You can translate that research over there the same kind
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: of polio vaccine worked that some people believed caused as
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: many problems as it's halt. You brought that up.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, yes, that was a talking shit.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Or and some believe carries a thread into what later
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: showed up in another vaccine controversy.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, supposedly it's in there. The scene weird I
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: guess zero.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: So we talked about the possibilities that Oswald wasn't the mastermind.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Everyone thought he was weird, but a patsy, somebody who
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: worked on something they wanted to keep quiet and silence instead.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: That leads listen to Carrie Thornley, one of the founders
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: of Discordianism. We talked about the chaos magic movement that
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: grew out of the same stretch of the sixties and seventies,
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: and how that whole scene sits there right alongside all
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: this missed material, rather than from a part in it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I think they even say, like if you look into
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: like when he got arrested, I think he was even
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: just like what the fuck is going on? Yeah, like
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: he was like I think he was even coming out
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: and like you there was even like I don't know
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: if it was on TV, A what Ryder Lee was
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: on the show a while ago. He did a thing
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: on the JFK assassination and he shows a little bit
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: about Oswald because he thinks he was a patsy and
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: didn't do it, and there was like stuff with like
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: him even coming out and being like I think I'm
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: being frank for something I even do. Like he's like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I like you. You could almost tell my opinion if
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: this if the ship was like actually correct and it
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: wasn't made up that like the dude really did kind
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: of sound like he was just like what the fuck
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: is going on? Like I don't even think he knew
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: what he was arrested for.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't think he did.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yep. And it was just like what the fuck? Yeah
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you imagine that shit?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, All of a sudden, just a color flashes somewhere
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: off in then a distance, a guy walks by, You
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: click and you're like oh, and then all of a
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: sudden your old memory comes back and you're like, oh,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I'm Brandon, But what how did I even get outside?
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: How am I?
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: How did I get here?
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Likes fucking in Russia working on fucking dish. I'm going
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to gil, what the fuck?
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, fucking crazy times that have been going on
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: for all the time humans have been around. Then we
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: moved on to the Nazi lineage, because this program didn't
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: just spring up out of nothing. In nineteen fifty three,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Operation paper Clip brings something like sixteen hundred German scientists
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: into the US after the war, including men who ran
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: actual human experimentation under the Nazis. Kurt Blome ran biological
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: weapons for Nazi Germany goes to work for them the CIA.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Walter Schreber, surgeon general for the Nazis Army, same thing.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't just the Germans. We brought up Unit
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: seven thirty one, didn't you, Nick, the Japanese program that
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: did things like.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we took them to you know, those were vicious
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: sick fucks yep. Oh they would do to people.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, that like leave infants outside the time, How
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: long it took them to freeze to death?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is sick. Yeah. And how they get hung
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: by their bulls.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I agree, yeah, yeah, And how the US
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: took a number of those same doctors.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: You know, like disconnected you have to be like, oh.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to be possessed by demons.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: To me, that would be that's satanic.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: That's that's truly, that's truly like the dark Cathonic Old.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Wise, that's like looking at insanity straight in the face.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I come, I completely agree. And so the
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Russians took people like that too, So both countries absorbed
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: uh that same well of expertise once the war ended.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: So Kinser tells the story about finding what might be
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: the first CIA black site Chalet in Germany, and the
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: current owners walks him into the basement and tells him
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: this is where the cells were, where MK Ultra officers
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: work side by side with actual Nazis, continuing the exact
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: same experiments those men were running under Hitler just a
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: few years earlier, sometimes in the same building, our own CIA. Everybody,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: the great CIA, these three lettered agencies who are actually
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: all working together. The Nazis never lost the war, they
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: just changed names. Germany lost the war, I'd see. Yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: all of this is after Nuremberg. Kinser looked for any
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: sign that the Nuremberg principles ever were even posted on
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: a wall somewhere in that program, and they found nothing.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: We also pulled in Werner von Braun. That's why I
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: brought up the Nazi rocket scientists who went on to
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: essentially build the NASA's program, and his connection to Walt Disney.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Two of them worked together, which is strange enough on
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: its own, once you say with it a little while.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Disney went on to become one of the largest media
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: corporations on the entire planet, owning today Marvel among everything else.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: And we talked about how that entire machine runs on
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: that same basic principles of programming and manipulation that showed
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: up in MK Alter's own research.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: This connection might get people to join the army, for.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: They exactly join the army, create stamps.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly, not knocking, you know, you take whatever how people
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: look at them.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's to his own I mean, I get it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: It's fourth of July coming up, and we should all
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: be loving that we have a constitution and that's why
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: we're so much different than Europe. That we have First
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Amendment rights, that we can own guns, and that we
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: can defend ourselves. That's what true liberty is all about.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: But liberty, as in we learn in libras from Kroley,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: is very important, and that we need to fight for
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: our liberty, but not protest the silly little protest nonsense
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: is another propagation of manipulation technique, so they can get
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: you on the Hegelian dialectic of two sides war against
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: each other, so that Pall and Teer and Oracle can
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: build up the what is it the flaw cameras and
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: the interconnected network of the a eye blockchain, so you
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: can own nothing and be happy, aren't you happy?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Nick? Yeah? You know what I just I was just
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: wanting to throw this in real quick. Something I've noticed.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but something I have noticed with
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Curley because I've just like looked at more of his
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: stuff or just maybe seeing more people post quotes of
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: his that seemed you know, political. Yeah, he never picked
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: a side though, never why the fuck to eighty percent
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: of his worshippers do?
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Yep? Yeah, because he did.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: He was just against He said they're all fucking you basically. Yeah,
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: even said the democracy is just like a cover up
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: for fucking socialism and communism is them.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the Plaantoff said the same thing democracy was that
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: leads to tyranny.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like he was like he's shit on
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: everybody when he came to that, and it's.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: Just yeah, why magicians take sides reading somebody like Daniel
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Pinchback's work on Facebook as of recently, as he pulls
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: it up, that fucking poofter himself, I'll fight him. I'll
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: fight him with my words. He can come on here
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: and we can debate, because I can't stand that fucking cuk.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: He's the twenty twelve pusher of some spiritual nonsense, and
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: he's all like, we need more extreme left magicians to
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: fight against the extreme right, and I'm all, like, you've
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: missed the point. Oh god, you've missed the point.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: You're basically doing exactly what they want you to do.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yep, you're falling, falling, locks.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Down, separators, yep, need each other somehow. That's the red
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: ants fighting the black ants.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's good fuck man. Yeah. And the only
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: reason I even make these jokes about fighting right because
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: I would, and I would, you know, i'd you know,
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: shoot fucking get to his back, choke him out. But
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: that's uh, that's either I.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Even brought this up yet yesterday or whatever, no, maybe
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: two days ago with eighty and walked. Yeah. Yeah, you know,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: even like you see these people like attacking like you know,
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: politicians now let's do a group thing or you're on
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: this day.
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: And I was saying.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: You know, when we when we with people who possibly
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: work with the Goaisia, I said, people that I know
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: in the past that have normally use it for a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: negative reason. I'm not saying that's another thing. I actually
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: do think that book pop possibly looked at the right
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: way and used correctly. Maybe it's a little bit different,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: but I think what most people, the way they look
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: at it and use it, it's normally a negative reason
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: to do something negative to somebody else. I said, Now,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: imagine you spending your whole time to make your sigils
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: or your talismans or anything you gotta do. If you're
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: even doing that stuff half the way it's supposed to
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: be done, it's gonna take time. You're gonna have certain clothes.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of effort put into this.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: And I said, you've probably also killed the motherfucker in
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: your head a hundred times before you even got to
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: the fucking ritual. Do you think that's actually good for
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: a person to begin with being in that mindset? No,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: that's fucking horrible.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: It's horrible. It's horrible.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: You are not the magician. The person that has you
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: doing that spell is your puppet master.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a great point. No, I
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: compothly agree.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: All the fuck has got to twist it. If you
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: got that much anger and hate towards somebody, you better
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: check yourself.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you're missing the point of what like something
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: like the Tree of life.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Just regarding what they're doing. But look at why you're
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: allowing yourself to get to that extreme.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, because that's not calming your mind, like what
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: you're supposed to be doing with your eight limbs of yoga,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: the practice.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: People like, even when you're in that mindset, you even
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I swear, you just physically feel differently like it just
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: oh oh yeah, it's that Is that a good thing.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: It's not training your will, exercising your will. It's doing
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: what you want and what you what your lower desires
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: want is to fight against uh as don Quixote, right,
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: fight against a windmill.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Oh it's like I feel my will is being affected
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: by them, so now I can affect theirs. Yeah.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And it goes back to it. You are trying
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: to then do one of the first two laws that
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: you shouldn't do. You shouldn't change somebody else's consciousness. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: that's what that's doing. And I'm not saying that you
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: that we all have things and people do stuff and so,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: but but what the point of like, say, the Tree
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: of life and the Kabbala and you know, your tarot
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: or any of your mystical magical practices. You're trying to
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: refine and create the philosopher's stone within, not like not
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: succumb to your lowest animal desires and animals just want
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: to fight.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it keeps you very much on rulock. It keeps
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: you your lowest self.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: And yeah, that's exactly it. Instead of building yourself past.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: They're always you're always in your root chokra.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree. So the connection len
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: leads of the programming and then the manipulation of the
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: MKL to research. This connects straight back to Edward Bernez,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: the father of public relations, who took the word propaganda,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: which the Nazis themselves us openly for their own ministry
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: of propaganda, and repackaged it under us softer name for
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Americans to use. Yet it's the same function, just a
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: friendlier term. Edward Burdees is a grandson or a. Yeah,
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's a grandson of Freud himself. So somebody
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: who truly understands the subconscious.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So we spent time on the deeper occult history
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: underneath all of this as well, because if you don't
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: see this thread, you're missing all the picture Wescott Mathers
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: founding of the Golden Down in the late eighteen hundreds,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: the occult revival happening around that same period, and how
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: all that whole current helped shape Alistair Croley Crowley became again.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: And I will state the Golden Down's work. I really
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: like the Golden Don so as much as I have
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: my own tendency to shit on institutions, the Golden Don,
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I've built my own temple based upon the work of
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: the Golden Down and all these things. So it's like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: you really think.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: About it, even for a Cela Mine, unless you're doing
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: rituals that wrote, eighty percent of the shit you're doing
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: is probably from the Golden Doing anyway. Ritual Yeah for
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: the pentagram yeh, hextagram.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they rash all these things.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: I think resh might have been Crawley maybe I don't know, but.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: But he's taken from prior like Bible rituals, from psalms
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: and things like that.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like a lot of actually ceremonial magic does
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: go back to.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: The it's all golden don I think it's I think
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: almost most like, and if it's not directly, it's the
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: foundation of the of the work of people, what people
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: have been built off of that because the Golden Down.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: For the Freemasons that built the Golden Down were then
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: finding old scripts and grimars from the Renaissance Peticians and
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: the Rosa Crucians and all those things that go back
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: to the Neo platon and the Platonis and her medicine.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: It was even interesting too with when we had Angel
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: malaur On, you know, do the history of femasonry. I
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: didn't realize, like I knew the Oto and freemasonry was connected,
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: but like the way he explained it, it was like
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: like it was so fucking connected.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: Oh of course it was before Crowley entered into it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: It was an order that was supposed.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: To be so teric, That's exactly what it was.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: And I had no idea about it. I thought it
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: was just a bunch of guys were like, fuck it,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: we'll come up with our own thing. No, Grady McMurtry
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a shriner or a gester, it's in order.
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like what, Yeah, yeah, Grady McMurtry was
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: a Freemason who then I don't know if he created it,
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: but like they did the ot O and then they
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: read the Book of Lies that Crowley wrote a Book
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: of the Law. I think they no, it's Book of Lies.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: They read the Book of Lies and saw on one
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: of the chapters that they hit that Crowley figured out
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: that they told the secrets of the highest order of
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: sex magic in that in that fucking Book of Lies.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: It was just like, I have no idea what you're
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're like, well, we're initiating you and then
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: says like my story yeah, And so you know, the
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Freemasons created the OTO and then Crowley took it over,
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: you know, because they're all like you are, you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: then reading the Book of the Law and realize the
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: croles work and things like that. So so I'm not
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: making the connection as a lot of the the fucking
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: poofters out there are going to do, and the Christian
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: conspiracy scenes are gonna be like, oh, yes see, the
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Golden Down is bad to occultists and magicians said so, no, no, no,
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: that's not what we're saying. There is no actual baseline
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: connection between MK ulture and the Golden and all. What
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: I'm laying out there is the occult significances and the
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: underlying histories that then led us through to create certain
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: individuals and discovering these certain powers, that powers of the
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: human mind and the nervous system and the body interaction
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: with with our with our world that then are also
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: being used in consort with these dark sorcers in these
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: projects that then obviously the CIA which was the the
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: oss beforehand, and all these things they were doing, they
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: like the Bolovatsky you know, good doctor John Dee working
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: for Queen Elizabeth, and Spain being the the Apropos double
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: O seven. The occult history between underlying all of the
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: really helps understand, right, and then why the Church does
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: what it does. Who also are propagations propagandists, manipulators. They
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: manipulate consciousness all the time to create weak slaves. I
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: think God truly wants us to awaken and unite with him.
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: So that's my That's what I think, at least, so
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: again Croley. Back to Croley, he became a double agent
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: working for the Allies against the Nazis, and we talked
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: about the V for victory sign, tracing back where back
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: to the hexagram ritol work, the sign of isis moving
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: into the sign of Apophus and typhon the rising Beast beautiful.
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: I love that. We also brought up Douglas Rushcoff's comic
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: connecting Kroley and Himler, not Hitler himself, but Himmler as
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: the actual occultist standing behind him, the two of them
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: effectively locked in a magical battle for opposite sides of
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: the war. We shouted out, I shout it out, and everyone,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna shout him again. Truth Stream Media's documentary Minds
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: of Men, if you want the deep dive into what
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: happened during mkulture and how it moves us through getting
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: the exact technology that we're using today to talk to you,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: that exact technology that is basically brainwashing us all if
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: you don't wake up to what's happening five hours long.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: It's brilliant and it's one of the most thorough pieces
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: of work, tracing this whole lineage from earlier human experimentation
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: around World War One through Project Artichoke, Bluebird and Project
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Climax into mkulture itself, and from there into the algorithms
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: and the AI systems. We're all living inside right now.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: So if you haven't seen it, go find it. And
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: from there we get into the history of the Saint Asylums,
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: because that's part of the lineage itself. Dorothy Dix in
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: the nineteenth century push to build state funded psychiatric hospitals,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: the population of these institutions peaking around fifty five at
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: nearly six hundred thousand patients nationwide. Nick brought up Pilgrim
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: State Hospital out in Brentwood, New York. One's the largest
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: psychiatric hospital in the world. Built is a self contained
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: farm colony where patients lived and work the land as suppose.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: That therapy, yo, real quick, like you go too much
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: time to just real quick. I've admitted that I've like
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: you know, gone, I've had problems with drugs in the past.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: I went to c K Post and that was like
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: a drug rehab that was on that property. And sometimes
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: like they take you like for walks and stuff, and
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: they walk you around the complex and you'd see all
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the buildings and there was times there was times of
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: like I think it was like other recovering addicts of
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: people from AA that would come in and I kind
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: of take us for the walks, so they weren't employees.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: So some of them are like, yo, you want to
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: go inside these buildings, So like we've actually gone in
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: like these fucking busted down psychiatric buildings, and Yo, it
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: is fucking crazy. They had jail cells almost look like
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: like sparred rooms. We saw they literally had and I
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: was like, Yo, these motherfuckers walking in circles. It was
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: a circular, padded room with like a round bubble like
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: in the middle where I guess like the nurses or
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: the staff set. And I was like, holy shit, the
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers are in the middle and they're just observing everybody.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Fucking wow, Bro, that's crazy. That's the panopticon where you
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: get people you know, and that leads the project climax
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: again of like what people observing others and the you know,
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: like it's like we're all being.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Their That is so creepy. How it was like in
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: the middle of like how do you get out? You don't.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: It's the ever moving labyrinth of you know.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: People in the middle get out with the crazy people
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: getting at.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: That's crazy. Yeah, I no, I come completely agree. So
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: I just want everybody to know that we again live
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: in a dark republic that I keep trying to like
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: put out there. We live in a dark republic, And
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: that's the term I'm going to keep using for it.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: A structure built to keep two sides fighting each other
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: out in the open, left against right, one approved position
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: screaming at the other at all times the approved position well,
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: the actual machinery of control sits underneath, both sides completely untouched.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: It's the old Hegelian move, the dialectic, the thesis, antithesis
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: that two sides burn each other out in the public
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: while the audience exhausts itself watching and the synthesis that
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: finally lands was already decided by whoever built the stage
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: in the first place. MK Ultra never actually got shut down.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you again, mk Eltra never actually got shut down.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: It got absorbed, and what started as chemical and psychological
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: experimentation on people who never agreed to any of it
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: came the research foundation for something far bigger, the engineering
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: of belief and attention and awareness and perception at large scale,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: running through the device sitting on your hands that you're
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: watching this very stream through right now. We even brought
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: up the CIA's own lifelog project getting quietly shelved, and
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: how shortly after that platform called Facebook showed up and
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: took its place, which is exactly the same kind of
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: thread that shows this project didn't end at all, It
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: just changed names and delivery systems. And again, I always
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: keep telling us all the sovereign magician is the one
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: who studies this architecture closely enough to see both sides
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: that is manufactured fighting for that what they actually are,
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: one system wearing two masks rising above the dark Republic.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Doesn't mean checking out pretending none of it matters. I
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: mean seeing that the fight as it is handed to you,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: that we're already decided before either side even open their mouth,
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: and choosing one set to do the actual work, and said,
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: rout yourself, root your own nervous system, take back command
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: of your own attention and your own memory before somebody
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: else gets there first. That's the whole practice.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: And they're going to continue yelling at us, right So
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna pull up right now what we've been talking about.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: But first, before we get to that, there's this interesting
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: on News Nation. Now that everyone's talking about it, it's
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: let's listen to it, Nick, let's figure it out as
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: we do it live, and we do it together.
• 57:46
  Speaker 6: Constility and Congress to look into this, you know, I
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: it certainly the responsibility and Congress to look into this.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: The issue here is the record was never cleanly closed.
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: A lot of the MK Ultra record was destroyed, as
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: you mentioned, So that's not folklore. That is the part
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: of why this case I think still has oxygen decades later,
• 58:10
  Speaker 6: when when when records are missing.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: Just former CIA senior operative officer and they say if
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: you ever see it, say former just realized there's no
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: such thing.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Troid or withheld.
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: The public does not just lose information, It loses confidence
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: in the institutions that are asking to be trusted.
• 58:29
  Speaker 5: And they don't lose they don't lose interest in it.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: And particularly if the records are destroyed.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: I mean, I guess the big part, the big takeaway
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: I add is was this run by select individuals or
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: was this being rubber stamp supervised greenlit by people up top.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Well, look, it was a real CIA program.
• 58:49
  Speaker 6: It was approved in the early Cold War, and it
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: involved research into drugs, behavior interrogation, and psychological influence. The
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: Rockefeller Commission of the of the late sixties found that
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: CIA did administer LSD the people who did not know
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: that they were being tested, and then we had that
• 59:08
  Speaker 6: one individual died in nineteen fifty three. So the responsible
• 59:12
  Speaker 6: way to discuss mk ultra is not really to exaggerated
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: or to.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: Come up with some of the conspiracy stuff.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: What do you think they mean by to come up
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: with some of this conspiracy stuff? Yeah?
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I was just like, where's you going with that?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's not exaggerate it. Let's not exaggerate that they
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: were actually like Jolly West was working on people and
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: then taking out memories and all of a sudden, Like
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: the story that O'Neill talked about was a little girl
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: who they found dead outside of a bar and it
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: was this guy who ended up killing her, but he
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: had no memory or recollection of it and yesterday and
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: he was like being worked on by Jolly West at
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: that time, f Rahim, And there's no you know what
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, It's like, is that a conspiracy theory?
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Was that pre manson?
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if that was like a.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Working mom too. Yeah, Yeah, it's fascinating.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: I guess it is to to to read the government's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: own record and ask the obvious question, you know, how
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 6: did an intelligence program get so far beyond law consent
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: and an adult supervision?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: Is it happening today? In other words, you do wonder
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: with the public.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: Backlash over it, does it change how intelligence agencies operate?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: Does it force them to become more secretive? I mean,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: do you think there's a program that's.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: Going on right now that's not getting there's no checks
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 5: and balances over it?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean I think the temptation exists, right, I mean,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: you know, these these are issues that that deal with uh,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: you know, with humans, so it's not just institutions and buildings.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: The temptation is still there. If you don't have the oversight,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: if you.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: Don't have the systems of place to make sure that
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: that these things don't you know, uh don't continue.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: Then then then yeah, that you know, it could occur.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: But look, you know, when it comes to AI and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: social media and you know, algorithmic influences, you know, it's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: not mk ultra and a lab code.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 4: It's something completely different.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: You know, the old model was drugs and interrogation and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: behavioral experiments. The new model is data and platforms and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: censorship pressure. You know, the danger today is not necessarily
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 6: a secret government chemist. It is the fusion of government pressure,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 6: private platforms, data science, political incentives. If government agencies can
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: quietly push, suppress, amplify, or steer information through outside entities,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 6: then the legal question becomes a very serious question very quickly.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: So you don't need LSD when you can shape the
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: information environment.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't need LSD when you can shape the
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: information environment.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: That's what I think changed. At one point they realized
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: they could pretty much, you know, get what they want
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: without the drugs. And I think that's why some people
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: just don't see it anymore, because automatically supposed to, you know,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: have drugs involved.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and because the drug has now become put into
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: the blue light that's that's like one hundred billion bits
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: per second or whatever's going on in our screens that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: we're looking at at all times, and that's putting our
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: nervous system into what I think is a programmed imprint,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: vulnerable state where now they can just it's very subtly
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: control you and all your decisions that you make through time.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, you don't need alstis, so to speak.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I think ALICTI actually helped me break free from my
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: preconditioned state. And I may not have become the more
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: had my intellect to be able to take over as
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: much as it has. But I also watched it also
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: fucking burn out nervous systems all over the place, just
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: you know, because people didn't have the correct practices beforehand.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: And I may be just a lucky individual or not.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Because as we say, we're all mad Here're mad here.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: And so now to bring up you know, we've been
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: talking a lot about this whole thing, and it's the
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: mk ulture hearing. We're going to continue now with the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: direct AI and algorithm statements that Kinser is talking about.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I want to talk about because this is what we
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: deal with on a daily basis. We're all being fed
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: from the machine itself and declassification of federal secrets. So
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: that's Luna, Let's go to where Kinser's talking about it
• 1:03:35
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• 1:03:38
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• 1:03:41
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• 1:03:43
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• 1:03:49
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• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: explode your minds and help us all break us free
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: from the matrix of total control. Because we are sovereign magicians.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: We are Ronan, aren't we?
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: Nick? Yeah? I like That.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Phase of mk Ultra drew to a close in the
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: early nineteen sixties. Sydney gottlieb concluded that it had failed,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: that in fact, there is no such thing as mind control,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: even if he was right.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: However, he may have been right only at that time.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: In the many decades since then, there have been enormous
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: advances in cyber technology, in that artificial intelligence, in neuroscience,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: covert agencies may have access now to tools for mind
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: control that Sydney gottlie could not even have imagined. It
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: may well have been true in nineteen sixty three that
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: mind control is a myth, or whether it's still true,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: is uncertain, and that question of whether mind control might
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: now be possible under our new circumstances is something that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: has presumably occurred to scientists who work for secret services,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: including our own. This task force has a chance to
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: connect the path to the future. A renewed effort to
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: find mk ultraate documents from the nineteen fifties and to
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: fill out the reactions of those that have been released,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: might shed new light on how the CIA operated during
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: that period. It could also inform a new inquiry into
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: whether any mind control projects are now underway inside the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: US security apparatus that might help prevent the emergence of
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: a twenty first century mk ulter that could be even
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: more destructive than the original.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: And I think it is even more destructive than the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: original almost, you know what I mean, because now it's
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: on a mass scale in the entire world, not just
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: in some small cIAP like, because CIA is one of
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: the most dangerous organizations, I think, in the entire planet,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: and it's supposed to be helping our nation.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: And I think he said that was really important, that
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: ship going on and going on. What did he even say,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: with new advances in neuroscience.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: In neuroscience, thank you nice yep yep, neuroscience.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: And that's why it is just like you know, it's
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: like sometimes when you're I'm trying to be in the
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: frame of mind, it's like I wonder, like how he's
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: thinking it because like, yeah, Gottlie might be surprised how
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it's being done today because it'd be like, wow, no drugs,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: you just need stimulants from outside, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: Like he might be like, God, damn, that's impressive.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, you're like ship you guys. You guys really
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: know what you're doing.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: It could have worked.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fuck, guys, you just have people watching their phone.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: You guys got mk ultro and everybody's pocket. That's cool
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: as fun. Wait wait, and you know, and it's interesting
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: because what we don't think about is the amount of
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: EMF that comes off of your phone, the non native
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: EMFs that are fucking with your nervous system making it
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: so it killed. Did you know? Side note? Did you
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: know that EMF create, manipulates and helps proliferate mold in
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: the body and in your surroundings. Yeah, somebody's gonna be
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: all like fucking fact check that guy. And I'm gonna
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: be like, I've seen it in real time. I should
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: cover that, Yes, you should. And I would love to
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: come out and talk about it because it's fascinating and
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: I'll think about how everyone has routers in their entire home.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Most people don't even know that mold is bad, even
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: though we do understand how terrible it is. And the
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: more mold in your body, the less you can think clearly. Yeah,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: so uh wild times. Now we're gonna skip ahead to
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: an exchange here with birdchant with Kinser. It's a question
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: and answer and it really gets fascinating here. So as
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: we do it live, and we do it together.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: I apologize.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: All I mean to say is that I think if some.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: Reason he apologized, let's figure if I can get right
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: at the beginning.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 7: So it's gonna be hard for Congress to act when
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: there's so that gun compromised.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: Let's just be honest.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: I mean, y'all are in the business of twisting ears
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: and telling us things that we've done, and that that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 7: sways a lot of people up here. Somebody doesn't want
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: to wreck a marriage or their business or lose this
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: glamorous job that we have, and so I suspect that
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: has a lot of play into it. Sorry to interrupt you,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 7: I apologize.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: All I mean to say is that I think if
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: there are such projects going on inside the US government,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: there might be a sense that we can do this
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: without any hostile supervision.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 7: What are the possibilities that that what we've learned in
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 7: nk ultra, now that it is advanced so much to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 7: algorithms and the computer and getting to loaners, that some
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 7: of these loaners could through this just mass propagation of
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 7: whatever you're doing, could cause someone to maybe take a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 7: shot at a president.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Do you hear how crazy everybody is. Look at Tom
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: O'Neill laughing like everyone's like, holy shitted he and look
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: at how upset. So this is doctor Jenetzi. This this
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: woman from NHS who doesn't know anything about mk ultra.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: And there's part of this where she talks about how no,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: she doesn't know anything about him. She's just here because
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: of she's sp a sponsor for NHS, being she's a psychologist.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: She's believes that doctor Fauci did nothing wrong. So that's interesting.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: I know there's a lot of speculation out there about
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: the Butler shooting, and I guess even the Charlie Kirk shooting.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 8: I just hate to speculate because I don't know. I
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 8: have no first hand knowledge whether those guys were programmed
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 8: through radio waves or through their computer activity. So I
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: would never hazard a guess except to say what I've
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: already said that they developed means that we've never been
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: told about many many years ago, and I imagine they've
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: evolved to be much more effective now.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 7: So I'm in one more time and I apologize again.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 7: But don't you think that they could cast this broadnit
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 7: through these algorithms and other things, and maybe they don't
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 7: know the exact person it's going to affect, but they
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 7: know what type of persons going to affect, and they
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 7: know it's going to happen. In that way, they can
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 7: they can't predict when it's going to happen, but they
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 7: think it will happen, and then that way they can
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 7: sort of wash their hands of this whole thing and
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: say we didn't have anything to do with it, But
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 7: in effect they really did, because they they put this
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 7: out there and they continue to put it out there
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 7: to whatever method you're talking about. Go ahead, guys, I'm sorry,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 7: ma'am if you want to jump in, Okay, doctor, go ahead.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: It sounds to me like the Martin Luchi King assassination.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: The FBI didn't carry it out, but he created such
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: a climate just denouncing King as the most dangerous man
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: in America and putting out all this material about how
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: he was helping communists that they must have thought it's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: gonna filter down, somebody will take action and then we
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: can say we didn't have anything to do with it.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: And James rol Ray was a third rate thief. He
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 7: made an incredible shot one foot on a commode, one
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 7: foot in a bathtub, leaning out of a window, basically,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: and the next day, the or that afternoon, all the
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: shrubbery was cut in front of the flop pass he
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: was staying. And there's a lot on that one that
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: will never be discussed. I have some friends that were there,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: so I guess I could. I'm on pretty close to
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: firsthand knowledge. But yeah, I'm sorry. I'm probably gonna get
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: audited when I walk out of the room.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: I just know it.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 7: So thank you, chair lady, I yelled back my four seconds.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Is that fascinating. They're like completely talking about how it
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: could happen and mentoring candidates assassins out of nowhere tones
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: and radio waves. It's like it's speculation. I agree, that's
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: what we're doing here. We are speculating. But we can
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: connect the patterns and see how maniputable human nervous systems
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: are humans.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Themselves they write, Oh, yeah, I was surprised.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: And so it's like what And so then we're going
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: to go into Bobert, the woman that he said whatever,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, that's so funny. But she's going to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: do a question answer about Mockingbird here. So this is
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: fascinating as well. Thank you, Red birch It.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 5: I'd like to now recognize Representative Bobert for five minutes.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 9: Thank you, and I would love to let you gentlemen
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 9: just talk some here.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 10: But when we're bringing up.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 9: Operations like Naomi and MK Ultra, there's Operation Mockingbird that
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 9: was going on at the same time as mk Ultra,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 9: and it really ties into what Congressman Burchette was was
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 9: talking about with radio waves, where we have these these
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 9: like a Van diagram of individual people and the military
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 9: casting a broader net.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: So you have the.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 9: Radio waves, computer activity, the Operation mocking Bird, the programming
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 9: that is taking place. So what do you see in
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 9: relation to what was happening then and what we are
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 9: seeing now that that could be types of the same
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: kind of programs and even using direct energy weapons or
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: the like.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Direct energy weapons, which Pete he gets and NewsNation just
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: broke that we have and are using, and are going
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: to be buying hundreds of millions of dollars worth of
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: direct energy weapons but not using them domestically.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 10: Mister O'Neil, you can begin.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I would just like to say one thing.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 8: There was an objective outlined in the early prosposals for
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 8: MK ultra experimentation to see whether they could do mass conversion,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 8: you know, convert entire populations. I think that had something
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: to do with the France incident that you were talking
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: about earlier. Again, today it's all speculation, but back then
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 8: they were trying to use psychological means to see what
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: you could how you could influence people's thoughts and BIRD
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: played into that, which, if people don't know, that was
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: where they had CIA assets or co opted people in
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 8: the media who would write basically propaganda and try to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: control the thoughts and beliefs of the population to what
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: the CIA needed. And is it still going on today.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: I would be surprised if it wasn't.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 10: I think we saw it even during COVID, with all
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 10: of the NATE funding that went to COVID and the
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 10: Muhan Lab and then everything that came out of that,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 10: trying to make people believe in something that wasn't there
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 10: missed doctor Kinsey your kinser, do you have anything on this?
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I would say only that in the modern age, maybe
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: radio waves and drugs are not necessary to control people's minds.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: We have such a great advertising, propaganda press, social media.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Built by Edward Burnetz, the grandson of Freud collaboration, that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: certain opinions are marginalized and real debate is frustrated because
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: people are not given access to full amounts of information.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: So that's a way of controlling the minds of populations.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even require sophisticated electronic or psychopharmacological means.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: And now think that it goes back to within what
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: I brought up earlier about the SSRIs psycho pharmacological means
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: to be able to get people to act strange in
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: all these ways that is going on today, and then
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: add poor diets, mass amounts of inflammation, EMF all the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: propagation that's going on, and then people not believing in
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: the in something higher than themselves, like a divinity, which
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: I think is so important.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, kind of put you out. I think it
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: can make people zombies, which one you know, certain drugs.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean I feel like you're walking among
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: the We walk around the wounded already, and now add
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: all the drugs and things to this, and now it's
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: like you're just walking around NPCs and zombies. The zombies
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: are an allegory from the movies into actually what we're
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: around today.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, anything else you'd like to add for
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 10: the next two minutes here?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: Do we haven't Maybe you.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 10: Have answers to questions we haven't asked.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I would just like to reiterate something that I said
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: in response to earlier question, and that is that there's
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: a reason why conspiracy theories are so widespread in America.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: It has to do with the disassociation between what we
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: say we.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: Are and do and what we really are and do.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: This has become more and more clear to more and
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: more people. Therefore, they're suspicious of nefarious dealings by the US,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: and they're also suspicious of.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: Other things that aren't nefarious at all.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 11: But there's just this mentality that is created by the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 11: covert sphere, and that is what makes people realize that
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 11: things that used to seem really far fetched are not
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 11: so far fetched after all.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 9: Yes, well, you know, Congress, we create these agencies and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 9: we even provide their funding, we appropriate that funding, and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 9: then they come before us often and are are too
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 9: big to even answer simple questions that we have and
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 9: be held to account. So it does cause for a
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 9: lot of deceit, a lot of doubt in the American
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 9: people and certainly within us as members of Congress, when
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 9: these agencies refuse to answer to us, the branch of
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 9: government that actually creates them and provides their funding, and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 9: then of course the American taxpayer whose money is being
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: stolen to fund all of their programs and agencies. So
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 9: I think that would be another reason how these conspiracy
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 9: theories grow, because has grown so big, I won't answer
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 9: to the people. Maybe they just think the people are
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 9: too dumb to understand, but certainly we want to get answers.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: To the people.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 9: And I appreciate you gentlemen for being here today.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Madame Cherry Yield, that's brilliant. I'm gonna play one last
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: one nick here and then we can go towards the
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: end here. But it's quite brilliant. I think where he
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: lays this information out, blame.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 12: It on one crazy person, Where am I Cindy Gottlieb's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 12: unique background and personality and worldwide view shape the program's
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 12: direction and methods and ethical boundaries.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Let me start by answering your second question about Gottlieb.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: He was a very different person from all of the
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: other CIA senior CIA officers of that era. Most of
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: them came from silverspoon backgrounds. They went to the same
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: prep schools, in the same Ivy League colleges, and blocked
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: the same yacht clubs, and worked for the same law
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: firms and international banks. Sidney Gottlieb was the son of
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: Orthodox Jewish refugees from Central Europe. He had a limp,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: he had a stutter, he went to Hebrew school. He
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: was so different from all of the other officers, And
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: upon reflection, I think this may not have been an accident.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: That people at the CIA understood that whoever had this
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: job was going to be doing some awful, terrible things,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: be very bloody, that they might become known and it
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: might be necessary to blame it all on somebody, And
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: they didn't want to have to blame it all on
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: one of their own. So Gottlieb actually became the person
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: on whom everything was blamed. In fact, when he testified
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: in secret here in this in Congress in the nineteen seventies,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: he complained that there were documents on which various signatures
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: had been redacted, but his alone had remained, so diverting
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: attention away from the institutional responsibility of the CIA and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: trying to blame it on one crazy person. As for
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: the international situation at the time, I think it's very
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: important to understand this because there is a sort of
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: a parallel to today. The CIA misinterpreted several key incidents
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: in the world, including those to which you referred, the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: trial of the Cardinal Mincenti and then in Hungary and
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: then the return of Korean War prisoners.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: Neither of those.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: Episodes really had to do with mind control, but in
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: the CIA they were interpreted that way, and this gave
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: the CIA a reason to pretend that its research was
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: purely defensive. So I think when you consider the world
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: situation and the sense in Washington that were surrounded by enemies,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: that becomes a very dangerous environment. Conspiracy theories stem from
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: the growth of the covert sphere. There's a great contradiction
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: in American life that we pretend to uphold certain principles
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: at home and abroad, but it's evident to many Americans
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: that we actually operate in opposition to those principles, and
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: we operate by secret and anti democratic means. That contributes
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: to a suspicion of government. And the very existence of
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: mk Ultra proves that some of the wildest fantasies about
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: secret government research are actually close to reality. That makes
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: the paranoid mindset seem ever more rational.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 9: Thank you, and I'm gonna have to cut off several.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: It's beautiful and it's very true, and I think that's
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: a great way to kind of rev down this beautiful
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: show for this today and this fine Thursday from trying
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: to understand and get out to the people that this
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: mk ultra hearing is actually probably more important than we
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: could ever imagine. And there's a lot of strange things
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: going on of people trying to say that it's you know,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: that it's not real, or that they're just it's like
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: a red herring or whatever, or not. It is is
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: that this is getting out to millions and millions of people,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: and even if it's not today that people wake up,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: that it'll be a slow drip of awareness that unless
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: you again gain control of your own self, that somebody
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: else is controlling you. It's either in your own home,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: in your own cities, in your own state, in your
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: own nation, or in the world. These arcons of total control,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: and the only way to gain control of those are
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: to basically tap into that the divine spheres and the
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: higher powers that it's not You don't have to do
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: it alone. And that's why we're here, is to help
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: you understand that we are a community that is trying
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: to help each other wake up, and we are here
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: to do it together. What do you think Nick that.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, you know it had to even you know,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: go back to Croly, But like I even liked kind
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: of the idea with magic in theory and practice. I
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: was like, you know, in his in his mind, anybody
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: could read that and you know, your magic and it
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: was still hard to fuck is to understand. But even
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: he would say, it's it's not beyond anybody, you know,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: any It's possible for anybody.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: It is magic is verbal to all.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, as we say it together, exactly, magic is for
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: all and it's not for some hidden elite, even though
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: it is esoteric. And the reason it's esoteric is because
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: your every day robot self that needs to make sure
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: your family's fed and they use the bathroom, and that
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: you eat, and you do these things, and you can
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: read things normally. That then you can go through a
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: liminal space and enter into that divine holy temple and
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: and tap into something grander. And it's hard, it's hard
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: to wake up. It's actually like it pulls. I get
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: you know, I get the boomer plight, you know, the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 3: plight of the older person out there.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: I get it who you know?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Like who? The world was a certain way for a
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: very long time because of these individuals who have been
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: in control did a really good job at hiding everything
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: they did, yeah, with the propaganda systems that are there.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: And so to actually believe a lot of these things
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: and to really understand what it means is to basically
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: pull the rug out from everyone's the way we actually
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: truly think the world works, and then to tap into
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: the magical understanding of the world. That reality is very pliable,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that there's not some kind of
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: objective truth out there that we're all leading ourselves towards.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: It's not a post modern, nonsensical, witchy woo woo bullshit
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: reality where it's like my reality is this or it's
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: my truth, or you know, it's like it's like how
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: I believe is it's manifesting, or it's the secret. There's
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: real laws to these things, and once you tap into those,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: then we can truly understand that magic's for all, that
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: there's a science and art of conformity with one's will
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: in the world, and that, as the Great Saying says,
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  Speaker 3: I think you like this one. We take no reliance
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  Speaker 3: on virgin or pigeon. Our method is science, our aim
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  Speaker 3: is religion. So Nick, as always, I love doing this
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  Speaker 3: with you. What you got going on?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, not much. I'm recording right now. I just recorded
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  Speaker 2: a thing on sleep paralysis. Yeah, I was trying to
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  Speaker 2: show a little bit more of the science behind it
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  Speaker 2: because that seems to be another thing that I've known
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  Speaker 2: that has kind of caught on with the whole demons
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  Speaker 2: and satanic panic. Yeah, that sleep aaralysis is you know,
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  Speaker 2: people getting attacked by demons and there's actually like reasons
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  Speaker 2: why you're he has those things. Oh yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure you know there might be some
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  Speaker 2: weird ships so going on. But yeah, it's just another
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  Speaker 2: thing that I've noticed has been talked about excessively as demonic,
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  Speaker 2: and I wanted to cover it because I met that
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  Speaker 2: it was maybe a little bit less demonic and a
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  Speaker 2: little bit more science actually explaining it. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it's just really you know again, it could even just
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  Speaker 2: show how the brain and the body and the mind
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  Speaker 2: the connection that they have, and how things can get
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  Speaker 2: weird when they go off. Oh yeah, you know, so
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  Speaker 2: I got that I'm gonna record part two of the idea,
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  Speaker 2: the eyeball thing, that whole thing I was talking about.
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  Speaker 2: How yeah, looking on that, and then I got something
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  Speaker 2: else that a few things that I'm thinking about doing.
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  Speaker 3: Great. Yeah, everyone, head on over to the Occult read Jackson.
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  Speaker 3: Check out all of Nick's work. It's brilliant and beautiful
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  Speaker 3: and he's doing good work there. He's in the trenches getting,
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  Speaker 3: you know, interviewing all the people.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, yo, next week we got Mitch Horror what's
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  Speaker 2: coming on?
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  Speaker 3: And that's gonna be fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have his book. But yeah, next Monday, Tuesday, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Great, And that's been fantastic and I'll be there to
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  Speaker 3: chat with Mitch. See how see what he knows about
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  Speaker 3: all this crazy world we live in. It's fourth of
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  Speaker 3: July weekend, everybody stays safe. I'm hopefully going to be dropping.
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  Speaker 3: So I got these three in the books right now.
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  Speaker 3: As in Lon Milo's interview, I've been talking about that's
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  Speaker 3: going to come out. I am going to get that
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  Speaker 3: out there. Mark Booth in The Secret History of the
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  Speaker 3: Universe amazing book, amazing man. I think that he has
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  Speaker 3: helped change my world as in helped me understand the
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  Speaker 3: Strange Place, as well as Alan Chapman. If you know
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  Speaker 3: him and his work out there, he's also another brilliant
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  Speaker 3: sovereign magician trying to take Croley's work to the next level.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get it set up so I can
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  Speaker 3: interview Freighter. You had him on Ali Fair. He seems
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  Speaker 3: like a wonderful man. Yeah, he's in Australia, so it's
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  Speaker 3: hard for me to figure all the time. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of night stuff going on, and
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  Speaker 3: so we're getting that figured out.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have to do it your morning and his night
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  Speaker 2: or your night in his morning.
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  Speaker 3: It's gonna be my night and it'll be good. So
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  Speaker 3: I think next week I'm gonna try to get him
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  Speaker 3: on for an interview as well as doing work with
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  Speaker 3: Palinode Productions and Danielle We got we're doing something called Filmosophy,
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  Speaker 3: which is fun, and we broke down Bogonia and I
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  Speaker 3: got lots of opinions on that movie as well as
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  Speaker 3: all my opinions coming out. Soon, I'm gonna be break
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  Speaker 3: doing some music reviews, so breaking down a perfect circle
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  Speaker 3: and tool Me and Freighter r. C Are gonna be
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  Speaker 3: doing a Reverend Maynard James Keenan breakdown, So him and
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  Speaker 3: I are going to be talking and doing a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of stuff like that. Yeah, So I'm excited with that
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  Speaker 3: because he's hilarious and awesome in and of himself. So
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  Speaker 3: with that, I hope everyone again if you're gonna get
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  Speaker 3: sick of me saying it, it's just like with my
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  Speaker 3: students when I'm training, it's all like make I'm just
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  Speaker 3: continue to like root yoursel, ground yourself. Your power comes
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  Speaker 3: from the earth and the floor and your structure. Keep
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  Speaker 3: your elbow in if you're doing wind chun, keep your
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  Speaker 3: legs out there and ground yourself. You're doing tai chi.
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  Speaker 3: If you're not grounding yourself in this world, somebody's trying
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  Speaker 3: to off kilter you for them. Get in touch with
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  Speaker 3: your own nervous system. Realize the models of reality, that
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  Speaker 3: you're viewing the world through art reality itself, but just
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  Speaker 3: an interpretation of it, and that you are not separate
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  Speaker 3: from the mind body, but you are. It's exactly the
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  Speaker 3: way it is embodied within this world. It's very important.
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  Speaker 3: Your head is much larger than you can ever imagine.
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  Speaker 13: Close your eyes, look into the darkness. Find the blazing
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  Speaker 13: star focushin maybe called the eclipse. Don't feel the shoe
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  Speaker 13: begin as you s.
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  Speaker 3: Got to try all
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  Speaker 10: I don't have he