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The Season with Peter Schrager: An NFL HC/GM Candidate Primer and a Jets Deep Dive with Joe Caporoso and Danny from LOT E · Best of the NFL Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Scheger is a production of the
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  Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: What's Up, Everybody, Welcome to the Season with Peter Schrager.
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  Speaker 1: We are going into the final week of the season,
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  Speaker 1: Week eighteen, but we are also heading towards the start
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  Speaker 1: of the coaching hiring process that starts right.
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  Speaker 2: Away next week.
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  Speaker 1: And I wanted to spend today's podcast hitting on a
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  Speaker 1: lot of those different teams, a lot of these different candidates,
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  Speaker 1: and I've gone through the rolodexo I wanted to have on.
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  Speaker 1: Originally I was going to have on a coaching agent
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  Speaker 1: to take you through what these next few weeks are like,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, that's a little bit I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: it's instructive, but it can also be biased towards that
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  Speaker 1: guy's clients. And I don't know how often do we
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  Speaker 1: want to hear from agents telling us about how hard
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  Speaker 1: their jobs are.
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  Speaker 2: I kind of crossed that one off the list.
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  Speaker 1: Then I was going to go through one of the
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  Speaker 1: potential candidates for a head coaching or GM job, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, that's pretty narrowly focused, and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to use this platform in this time period
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  Speaker 1: as an opportunity to showcase oneself or give one guy
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  Speaker 1: any edge over the other, just in case some NFL
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  Speaker 1: teams are listening. Then I decided to just focus on
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  Speaker 1: a team, and the team I wanted to focus on
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  Speaker 1: as a team that has DJ Reid, a free agent
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  Speaker 1: coming out and saying he's looking forward to being a
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  Speaker 1: free agent after signing a massive deal with the Jets
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, a team that had Garrett Wilson,
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  Speaker 1: the wide receiver that won Offensive Rookie of the Year
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  Speaker 1: just two seasons ago. Was Zach Wilson thrown in the
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  Speaker 1: ball longing for how much he missed his old offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Lafleur after they got blown out by the
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  Speaker 1: Rams two weeks ago at a home game, and Sauce
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  Speaker 1: Gardner sending a Instagram post to T Higgins saying that
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  Speaker 1: he shouldn't be going to the Jets, the team that
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  Speaker 1: is in complete, complete shock right now if you are
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  Speaker 1: a fan.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to have on as our Yes.
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  Speaker 1: One of the top Jets bloggers slash voices, he's also
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  Speaker 1: in our business. His name is Joe Caparo, so he
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  Speaker 1: runs the bad Lands podcast, which is probably the number
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  Speaker 1: one Jets fan podcast. I thought Joe would be a
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  Speaker 1: good person to speak with, and then as a second guest.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to bring out a friend of mine, a
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  Speaker 3: guy who I talked to all the time, and it's
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  Speaker 3: a voice of a person who just gave up his
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  Speaker 3: season tickets with the Jets that he's had his entire
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  Speaker 3: life and said he's finally out.
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  Speaker 1: And his name is Danny, And Danny's the one who's
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  Speaker 1: always tailgating and lot e with the Kebab guys, and
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to bring him on.
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  Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk Jets. We're gonna go through all.
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  Speaker 1: The Jets stuff in a second, but before we do Jets,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to do a little bit on some of
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  Speaker 1: the other teams too, and then an opening monologue of
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  Speaker 1: just kind of emptying the bag quite a bit.
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  Speaker 2: First, the Bears.
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  Speaker 1: If you think Jets fans are in disarray, go talk
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  Speaker 1: to a Bears fan. This week, Bears have not on
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  Speaker 1: a game since before Thanksgiving. We know that the Bears
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  Speaker 1: aren't an utter tailspin. To end this season with a
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  Speaker 1: first overall pick who seems to be just getting the
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  Speaker 1: snot kicked out of him, sacked a record amount of
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  Speaker 1: times for a rookie quarterback and just in one of
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  Speaker 1: those deals where you feel like you're gonna have to
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  Speaker 1: build him up again before we could even see him flourish.
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  Speaker 1: The Bears process, from what I'm being told, is going
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  Speaker 1: to be run by GM Ryan Poles. Now, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Bears fans want Ryan Poles out of a job.
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  Speaker 1: From what I'm told, barring any crazy, crazy news in
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  Speaker 1: the next four days, Ryan Poles has a job.
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  Speaker 2: That's said.
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  Speaker 1: When the Bears fired their previous head coach, Matt Naggy,
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  Speaker 1: I was on Good Morning Football at around eight am,
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  Speaker 1: and I said, I think Ryan Pace is safe the
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  Speaker 1: GM because he had years left on his contract. And
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  Speaker 1: although Pace's big hire was Matt Naggy, I thought Ryan
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  Speaker 1: Pace was going to have an opportunity to hire it
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  Speaker 1: and to show you how tight lip the mccaskeys are.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to everyone in that Bears building. I thought
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  Speaker 1: I had a real grip on it. About twenty minutes later,
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  Speaker 1: news came out that Ryan Pace was being let go
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  Speaker 1: and he was just told and it was shocking for
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  Speaker 1: some And I can tell you there are people in
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  Speaker 1: the building who did not see that coming.
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  Speaker 2: So I would just say this.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone who's telling you that they know for sure that
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  Speaker 1: Poles is going to be the one running this search,
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  Speaker 1: just let's get through Monday, because I saw this happen
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  Speaker 1: the last time they did it.
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Poles all cards on the table.
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  Speaker 1: I have a relationship with from his days in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: He's been a podcast guest here, He's been a podcast
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  Speaker 1: guest on My Bears Hard Knocks podcast that I do
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  Speaker 1: with NFL films around the Bears Hard Knocks season. And
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  Speaker 1: I could tell you that Poles and the Bears they
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  Speaker 1: want to get this thing right obviously, but there are
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  Speaker 1: other people involved.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Warren is the team president.
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  Speaker 1: And he is new, relatively new, and one of the
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  Speaker 1: major things will be breaking ground on new stadium where
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  Speaker 1: that ends up being. And Warren came from the Vikings
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  Speaker 1: but also the Big Ten where he played a major
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  Speaker 1: role there as Big Ten commissioner for many years. So
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  Speaker 1: you're looking to Warren, you're looking to Poles, and then
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  Speaker 1: you're looking to an ownership group and George McCaskey kind
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  Speaker 1: of be in the face of that and all things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm told Ben Johnson seems to be the guy. If
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  Speaker 1: Ben Johnson wants to go there, and then Ben Johnson
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  Speaker 1: would be matched with Caleb Williams, and then you could say, well,
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  Speaker 1: we got the best offensive coordinator, a guy who's terrorized
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  Speaker 1: us the last few years, and we put them with
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  Speaker 1: our first overall pick, and away we go. If it's
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  Speaker 1: not as clean as that, I would expect them to
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  Speaker 1: also try to get in the Verbel sleepsticks. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if there's a relationship there between Vrabel and Poles,
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  Speaker 1: but we do know that Rabel's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: hot name. Another name I would watch, and although he
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  Speaker 1: is a defensive coach, Brian Flores is the name I
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  Speaker 1: would watch, and for that I would just say he
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  Speaker 1: might get an interview and then could see what he
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  Speaker 1: could do. Well, Why Brian Flores? They just fired a
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  Speaker 1: defensive head coach. Why would you go Flores? Flores, also
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  Speaker 1: having an outstanding season as a defensive coordinator for the Vikings,
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  Speaker 1: also has connections as a former NFL head coach, knows
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  Speaker 1: people all over the league. Ryan Poles and Brian Flores
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  Speaker 1: were college teammates at Boston College. Something to watch. Those
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  Speaker 1: guys know each other. I don't know how Bears fans
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  Speaker 1: would would take the news of another defensive head coach
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  Speaker 1: being hired, but I would say circle that name as
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  Speaker 1: a possibility of at least getting an interview during the process.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, that's Chicago. They're a mess.
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  Speaker 1: They're a mess in that we don't know where they're
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  Speaker 1: going to go. And if they do swing the bat
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  Speaker 1: and miss on Ben Johnson, well then I think it
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  Speaker 1: could get really interesting what happens there. The other team
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  Speaker 1: that everyone's asking about is the Raiders. Now, the Raiders
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  Speaker 1: have had two straight wins by Antonio Pierce. He is
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  Speaker 1: well liked in the building. But I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce is getting another year based on how this
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  Speaker 1: season is gone. I would say with new ownership coming
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  Speaker 1: in and the new ownership not being Mark Davis but
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brady and Richard Seymour Patriots guys who oh, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, we're teammates with Mike Vrabel. That would seem
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  Speaker 1: to be a very good connection there. Rabel to the
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  Speaker 1: Raiders if that job opens up. Something to watch. The
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  Speaker 1: other team, the Saints. I gotta tell you, I was
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  Speaker 1: blown away by Tom Pelisero on Good Morning Football Tuesday.
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  Speaker 2: He and I did a segment where we empty the
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  Speaker 2: notebook We like to surprise each other a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: We like to not give away the goods before we
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  Speaker 1: get on TV. Tom Pelisaro comes on there and we're
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  Speaker 1: doing the Ben Johnson and Rabel and Flores. We're talking
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  Speaker 1: about those names, you know. Liam Cohen comes up and
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  Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury comes up and it's the name, and I said,
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  Speaker 1: give me a surprise name.
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  Speaker 2: And he went with John Gruden.
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  Speaker 1: And then he dropped a little nugget that the Saints
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  Speaker 1: had long talks with John Gruden about being the offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator under Dennis Allen this year, and Gruden ultimately did
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  Speaker 1: not take the job, and Gruden ended up going the
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  Speaker 1: Barstools Sport where he is a content creator like me
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  Speaker 1: and like Aaron and like so many others who are
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  Speaker 1: in the podcast game, John Gruden is currently spending his
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  Speaker 1: sundays with Big Cat and Mincy and Stephen Chay and.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of those barstool guys.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what, I think it's really helped
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  Speaker 1: him in his public facing.
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  Speaker 2: Branding, if you will, and that he's got these great stories.
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  Speaker 1: He's breaking down the games, he's being critical, he's talking
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  Speaker 1: about time management. It's almost like here you have a
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  Speaker 1: look inside of Gruden unfiltered. Here's what he can do now. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: the elephant in the room.
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  Speaker 2: He had these.
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  Speaker 1: Horrible emails that were out there in twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: and he had to resign from the Raiders because of it.
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  Speaker 1: And he's got a legal situation pending with the league,
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  Speaker 1: and there were some horrible emails that were out there
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  Speaker 1: with his name, and he's not denying that he was
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  Speaker 1: the one who was attached to him. Are we in
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  Speaker 1: a place for forgiveness? Are we in a place where
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  Speaker 1: their teams can move on? We'll see if John Gruden
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  Speaker 1: gets interviews. But if I'm looking at Mickey Loomis, who
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  Speaker 1: is already.
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  Speaker 2: Friendly with Gruden.
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  Speaker 1: They have a connection through Sean Payton, where Sean Payton
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  Speaker 1: and Gruden were on the same staff in Philadelphia many
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  Speaker 1: many years back. I would be interested to see if
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  Speaker 1: Mickey Loomis gives John Gruden an opportunity to be the
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  Speaker 1: head coach.
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  Speaker 2: Of the New Orleans Saints. That's a name to watch.
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  Speaker 1: The other teams, the Jaguars, they're likely moving on from
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  Speaker 1: Doug Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: I very intrigued.
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  Speaker 1: Because I think that's a good job. I still do
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  Speaker 1: the cons they do not meddle.
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  Speaker 2: They do not get in and say I need this player,
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  Speaker 2: I want to do this.
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  Speaker 1: They are actually an ownership group that is kind of
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  Speaker 1: hands free we off which is why I thought Belichick
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  Speaker 1: taking that UNC job before at least entertaining the Jacksonville
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  Speaker 1: job was so interesting because I thought that might have
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  Speaker 1: been the place where he can come in and have
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  Speaker 1: the freedom to do what he wants. The Jacksonville job
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  Speaker 1: is attractive because of the freedom and the low pressure
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  Speaker 1: stakes that comes with it.
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  Speaker 2: You're not in Chicago, you're not in New York. You're
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  Speaker 2: not dealing with the.
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  Speaker 1: Mccaskeys and their budget and running things by in their
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  Speaker 1: buttoned up way.
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  Speaker 2: You're not dealing with Woody Johnson and Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 1: You're dealing with two guys, Shot and Tony Kahan father Son,
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  Speaker 1: who spend money, want to win, and in a market
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville that isn't exactly a pressure cooker when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to media or expectations or this burning desire that if
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  Speaker 1: you don't win in one year you have to go.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, Jacksonville is great fans. They do
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  Speaker 1: have great media members dedicated to that team. You just
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  Speaker 1: can't compare it as far as media markets to New
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  Speaker 1: York and Chicago. And if you're a coach who doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to deal with all that and might shy away
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  Speaker 1: from all that and have freedom, Jacksonville could be a
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  Speaker 1: really attractive option. And then there's the Jets. Oh, the Jets.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get to them in a second. Is
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  Speaker 1: there another coach that's going to be fired on Monday?
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  Speaker 1: If you look at it and you start looking at
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  Speaker 1: the teams Dallas, it sounded like Mike McCarthy was good
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  Speaker 1: to go and was going to be just fine in
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  Speaker 1: that job. And yet he hasn't been resigned, he hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been extended. In the second the season ends, Mike McCarthy's
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  Speaker 1: a free Mike McCarthy could take his bag and he
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  Speaker 1: could say, I'm gonna go on a little tour here
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna interview with New Orleans where I used
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  Speaker 1: to work many years ago. Or I'm gonna go talk
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  Speaker 1: to the Jets because I'm a leader of men. Or
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go talk to Chicago because I've been great
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  Speaker 1: with quarterbacks Aaron Rodgers and Dak Prescott and I can
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  Speaker 1: get the most out of Kayleb Williams. The Mike McCarthy
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  Speaker 1: Dallas thing is interesting because everyone just assume McCarthy would
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  Speaker 1: be fired because he's not. It doesn't have many years
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  Speaker 1: left on his contract, But oh my gosh, does Mike
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy have leverage here? Does Mike McCarthy have leverage and
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  Speaker 1: that he might not necessarily sign right away with the
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  Speaker 1: Cowboys because I might go entertain other teams offers. Is
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  Speaker 1: he a hot candidate when about three weeks ago we
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  Speaker 1: were like he's gonna be fired and will never coach again.
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  Speaker 1: The Mike McCarthy thing is really interesting. So you got
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  Speaker 1: all these teams and then you look at the other
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  Speaker 1: team in New York. Is Brian Dables safe. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that win saved his job by any means, but
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  Speaker 1: I think Brian Dabele might get another opportunity to do
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  Speaker 1: this with his buddy Joe Shane. They've got a great
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  Speaker 1: relationship going back to Buffalo, and if they're not cleaning
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  Speaker 1: and they bring out one of the guys back, maybe they.
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  Speaker 2: Bring back both.
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  Speaker 1: I have been steadfast and saying up until this point,
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  Speaker 1: like I'm not saying Table's getting fired despite everyone online
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  Speaker 1: just assuming he would be so at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the day, I think that there might be a surprise
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  Speaker 1: or too around the league. I mentioned Jacksonville, I mentioned Vegas.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be any other firings that
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  Speaker 1: are gonna I don't think Brian Callahan's one and done.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Zach Taylor's out. I don't think that
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna see massive changes in the NFC East other
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  Speaker 1: than what I just mentioned with Dallas and the Giants.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think Sirianni's gone, and I certainly don't think
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  Speaker 1: Dan Quinn has to worry.
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  Speaker 2: So those are kind of the areas. And yet every
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  Speaker 2: year there's a surprise.
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  Speaker 4: Every year.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when Marvin Lewis was finally fired
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  Speaker 1: on our show and I was gobsmacked. I remember when
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  Speaker 1: they got rid of Brian Flores in Miami and that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't expected, and then we learned that there was great
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  Speaker 1: dysfunction in that situation.
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  Speaker 2: Every year there is a surprise.
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  Speaker 1: So be ready on Monday, because every year, just when
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  Speaker 1: you think things are old, they aren't give me some
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  Speaker 1: classic ones. How about Doug Moron, all but thinking he
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  Speaker 1: had the Jets job, and then a daily news article
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  Speaker 1: comes out on New Year's Eve, and ironically I remember it,
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  Speaker 1: and suddenly there was a look back at Doug Maroon,
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  Speaker 1: and Doug Maroon did not have the Jets job and
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  Speaker 1: had already opted out of the Bills job, and then
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  Speaker 1: was left kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of rudderless for a year trying to find.
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  Speaker 1: His way back until he ultimately got the Jacksonville job.
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  Speaker 1: These things happen, Weird things happen in those final hours
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  Speaker 1: leading up to Week eighteen come into a close. So
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  Speaker 1: I would just say, be ready for anything, be ready
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  Speaker 1: for any names. But the one that I think is
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  Speaker 1: so interesting is the Jets because I don't think it
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  Speaker 1: is necessarily viewed ass a horrible situation, and yet I
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  Speaker 1: do think there are real challenges. And in the last
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  Speaker 1: few days these players speaking out like they have DJ Reid,
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  Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson and in Sauce Gardner online like that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: bode well if you're an aspiring coach or an interested
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  Speaker 1: GM like, okay, what is going on there? And Aaron
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  Speaker 1: Rodgers openly saying there's a leaking problem that's real and
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  Speaker 1: that makes it a hurdle that you have to get over. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So with all that said, enjoy Week eighteen. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: bring on our guests right now. We're gonna talk Jets.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to do a deep dive, and it's Joe
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  Speaker 1: Caparoso from the bad Lands podcast, who has a great
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  Speaker 1: voice as far as Jets fans feeling the pulse of
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  Speaker 1: the team and obviously it does great work in content creation.
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  Speaker 1: And then my buddy Danny, who is a now former
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  Speaker 1: season ticket holder who gave up pissison tickets this year
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  Speaker 1: when the email came through. He told the Jets to
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: take their jobs and shove it. He's out, still a
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Jets fan, but he doesn't want to spend the money
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: on season tickets anymore with the product he's getting. I
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: thought that was a good person to bring on. I'm
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: sure he'll be rational. Both those guys are coming up
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  Speaker 1: after this. All right, with no further ado, let's do
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  Speaker 1: a Jets deep dive.
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  Speaker 2: Here. My role in this conversation insider. I've got some info,
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  Speaker 2: but I've also am an open mind.
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  Speaker 1: I want to hear what content creators are thinking, what
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  Speaker 1: fans are thinking, and where the Jets are as far
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  Speaker 1: as a fan base, going into what I think is
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  Speaker 1: the most important coaching and GM search in.
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  Speaker 2: The franchise's history. I think it's hit. It's in the
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  Speaker 2: deer right now.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's a it's all time low. I mentioned
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  Speaker 1: it in the monologue. I think when you've got DJ
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  Speaker 1: Reid saying he wants to be a free agent in
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  Speaker 1: the locker room, and Garrett Wilson openly longing for Mike
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: Lafleur like he's Bill Walsh or Dick Vermeial or something like,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a bad sign. And then Rogers clowning
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: on the fact that the owner's son might be the
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: one to tell him he's he's hitting the bricks. It's
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: in an all time low. It's embarrassing, and I wanted
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: to bring on some Jets fins. It's some guys who
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: do it for a podcast on so let's first introduce
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: them first. It's a guy whose podcasts I've been on
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: several times, who I think is the best in the
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: game as far as Jets focused, Jets specific podcast content creation.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: He's the host With'connor Rodgers over at at the bad
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: Lands podcast Joe Caparoso, Joe, what's up, buddy?
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. It's been a very fun
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: year and I wouldn't want to end twenty twenty four
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: in any other way than talking about our love New
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: York Jets and what comes next for another rebuild.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, and it's time to spend it forward, my friend.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: And with that, I'm talking with someone who's literally live
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: from Hawaii on a family vacation on his phone. It's
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: one of my buddies, Danny, who used to tailgate and
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: lot e. Let's call him Danny from Lottie because I
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: don't know professionally. He wants his last name out there
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: after he eviscerates the Jets the way he's about to,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: but he gave up his season tickets.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: He's done. Danny, Hello from Hawaii.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: I don't even what time is it right now as
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: you're recording this, we're one o'clock eastern.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: What time is it there in Hawaii?
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: It's eight am out here. I've been here for about
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: nine days now. Still don't think I've adjusted to Hawaii time. So,
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: you know, happy to be on nice and early here.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me. You know, started out getting some
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: shout outs on GMFB. You know, Danny from Tribeca, Danny
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: from Lottie, you know where the we had the kebab guy.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: We're all fired up for our Super Bowl run and
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: now here we are. You know, regular seasons not even over,
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: and we're talking about another regime change. So happy to
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: end the year on that note. And thanks for having.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Me on first of all, subtle Flex Hawaii and then
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: even more subtle Flex a nine day Hawaii trip.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Joe. As we're doing.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: This, we're in our home offices with sick kids and
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: people coughing all over us. But you know what, we're
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: all in the same place. We all want to see
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the Jets get better. We all want to see the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Jets turn the page. Joe set the table for us
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: as we head into the final week. Where are you
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: at right now as far as your preferences for coach
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and GM and where you'd like to see this organization go.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: I am counting the seconds until this season is over
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: as I am exhausted of watching this AAU team, which
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: is basically what they remind me of at this point,
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: especially with Bret effort level the past couple weeks. I
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: perfect world, I think the top head coach to get
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: would be Mike Vrabel. I think a lot of Jet
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: fans feel that way. I think there's a lot of
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: hesitance to have a first time head coach because we've
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: tried that a lot and it has not worked. Vrabel
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: not perfect, but to an AFC Championship game with Ryan Tannehill,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: We'll bring some accountability, little toughness to a team that
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I think needs it coming out of this year on
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: what has been candidly a very unlikable Soft Jets team
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: that feels like they need someone with Rabel's personality to
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: a t GM.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: I think it's a little more wide open.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: This is probably unrealistic, but I would love to see
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: them hire a guy like Demetrov to do analytics and scouting,
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: rebuild that part of the organization because the Jets are
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: effectively a shell company they are right now and they
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: need to build it from scratch and then go hire
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: a guy like Greenberg from Tampa, who you created a good,
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: good amount of buzz with when we talked a few
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: weeks ago, to clean up the books and clean up
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: the void years and clean up the last Dance Jets,
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: the Rogers, the Lazare and the Devonte Adams. Have those
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: three come in together and start turn the pay to
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: just put a nice church and state wall between the
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: business part of the Jets and the football part.
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: Of the Jets.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, you distinction here, Joe. I don't think Greenberg's leave
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: in if he's not the GM. Who is the GM
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: in that scenario? Is it Demetrov or is it Greenberg?
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: It's Greenberg.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: I think Demetrov is your VP of football operations and
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: they are separate roles. Now again, pie the sky to
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: get both them. Dimitrov might just want to be a GM.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Greenberg of course is going to want to be a GM.
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: But couldn't you get both of those skill sets together.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: This is me as a Jet fan who just wants
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: to see the full robust front office. And again we're
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: talking about guys who I think are going to be
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: top of the line candidates. But for the Jets benefit,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: how many GM openings are they're really going to be?
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: And what I like about the Jets opening is that,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: unlike a Jacksonville Chicago, you're not forcing a head coach
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: onto a GM. It's sort of your starting day one together.
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: So I do hope, and again this is wishful thinking
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Jets that that helps them in their recruiting search. So
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: that would be my best case scenario. Look, I hope
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: they taught to Agnew. I hope they talked to Borgonzi.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I hope they cast a wide net. I can't sound
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: particularly excited that they talked to Ron Rivera, but I
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: get it. They're doing the diligence. So that That's where
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I'm at right now. I'm really rooting for Rabel. If not,
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I think Liam Cohen would get a lot of Jet
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: fans really excited. They want the young offensive mine first
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: time head coach though, So that's the concern there.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Danny, what do you say?
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: I think you've hit it on the head.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: Peter. You know, the last time the Jets were in
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: a spot like this was you know, I think when
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: we were one in fifteen other co type and what
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: Leon has to He said, you know, I've had enough.
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: I got to I got to bring in somebody that
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: can change this whole organization around. He went out, he
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: got the tuna, he let him pick the groceries. Right now,
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying there's another candidate out there like him.
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I think last year there was in Jim Harbaugh. And
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: look what Jim's done with the Chargers very quickly. But
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: I agree with Joe and probably the most similar type
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: guy to that type of a CEO coach who can
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: come in and really put his stamp on the organization
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: quickly is Rabel. And I think they also have to
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: oh and really turn over every stone around the league
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: and see who could be available via trade as well.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: And I don't know who that guy is.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: You don't know who's.
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: Unhappy, you know, with a current GM or ownership.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: But to me, the most obvious choice is probably Vrable,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: but there's gonna be a lot of competition for him.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: It seems like he's the top of everyone's list.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: And then for GM, I think you know, whether you're
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: picking the head coach first or the GM first, the
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: two guys have to be in sync. So it's Rable.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: You got to let him be in on that conversation
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: and bring in a guy that he can work with,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: who has a relationship with We've seen these arranged marriages
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: starting with Rex and Izick to mccagnan and Bowles, the
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Solid and Joe d It just doesn't work right. I mean,
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: we need guys that are coming in as a team
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: that are gonna work in sync and turn this thing around.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I think Mike Tannebam's role needs to be
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: analyzed here. So here's how it's gonna work in these meetings.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: And you guys probably know this as Jets fans, but
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: they're gonna likely fly everyone down to Palm Beach, where
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Woody Johnson spends his winters. They're gonna sit down in
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach and it'll be Christopher Johnson, who's the younger brother.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It'll be Heimi Ala who who is the president of
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the Jets, and it'll be Mike Tannembaum and maybe Rick
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Spielman in there. Tannabaum, who was obviously there ten fifteen
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: years ago last time I went to the playoffs, but has.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Been on ESPN the last several years.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Does this thirty third team for a Cup of Coffee
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: was serving as an agent to Dan Quinn and Steve Kerr.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting voice in.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Jets fandom because yes, there was great, glorious years of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: AFC championships, but there also were some years at the
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: end there where Jets fans weren't enamored. He's gonna have
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: a voice now. Is he going to ultimately play a
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: role moving forward?
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Is that GM who gets hired Curious of what's Tannebaum's
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: deal here? Is this a one and donner? Am I
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: gonna have to report to him?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Joe your thoughts on Tannabaum being so intimately involved in
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: all of this.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: It's definitely an Now. I would rather have him and
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Spielman wang in than just Woody and Chris and whoever
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: else in the family is now weighing in on decisions.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: I think it's good they have former guys who have
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: done the job, and Tamnebaum did something that's really hard
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: to do here. He left with a winning record. I
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: think he was a little over five hundred, which does
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: not happen for a lot of Jets gms, so not perfect.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: You know, he hit the t boat trade and things
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: got ugly at the end. But I would rather have
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: him weigh in. I hope it's just a one off, right.
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: He is working with them for the interview process. When
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: it's done, it's done, you clearly hand it off to
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: the new general manager or the new VP of football operations,
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: and then you get out of the way, and hopefully
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: they strongly recommend to Woody and ownership and Himei that
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: look like.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: You trusted us to run this process.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Let your new GM bring in some recommended changes to analytics,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: to scouting, to sports medicine, to how we deal with
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: the media, to every part of the organization, because every
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: little thing matters and adds up and they need that
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: full reset. They I don't blame them for the Rogers
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: hail mary. They missed on Zach Wilson. They needed to
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: throw a hail mary. It likely ended when he got
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: hurt against Buffalo. The timelines didn't add up anymore. This
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: year was just kind of an ugly et blog. I
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: didn't think it was going to be this ugly.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: How crazy it ended in the fourth play of his tenure. Yeah, sad.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: It really is sad. And I was in the building
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: and it was like I couldn't even watch it. I
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: was starting to watch Enigma a little bit, and I
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: was just like, I don't want to watch this again.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I don't want to relive this night. I don't want
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: to relive this. Just want over at this point, which
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: is shit, because it's not like you just you had
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: such high expectations, but you just got to blow it
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: up and start to work again. And I know that's
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: frustrating for everyone to hear, but you don't want to
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: row along something that didn't work, and this just didn't work.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: They're four and eleven. Three of their wins are against
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: the mac Jones Jaguars, the Will Levis Titans, and the
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Jacobre Presett Patriots. They are up picking in the top
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: four most likely. So you want to go full refresh
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: and hopefully that's what's allowed to happen.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Danny, your thoughts on the Rogers era as a whole.
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean the excitement in the parking lot prior
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: to the you know, the opener of the bills was
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: like thing. You know, I've seen him coming out with
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: the flags. I mean, the lights are going off. It
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: felt like it was a Super Bowl at MetLife. You
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: know that lasted about ten minutes, you know, going from
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: that high to that low, and that short of amount
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: of time was definitely not healthy for you know, the
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: eighty thousand people that were in attendance. But look, I
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: think they made the right move, you know, taking that
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: swing and going for Rogers. And if he didn't get
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: hurt four plays in, I think it would have been
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I think we would have made the playoffs. But you know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: something was obviously off this year. He also had a
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: forty year old coming off in Achilles and it just
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: didn't work out.
• 25:46
  Speaker 7: So, you know, it's unfortunate. I think it was the
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: right move, but you know, here we are building from
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: scratch again.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, and now, Danny, do you bring him back for
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: next year? If a coach comes in and says, all right,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: there's no other I mean he saw Mike Greenberg, no
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: relation to Tampa.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Mike Greenberg, the ESPN one who made the point that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: People not along with saying you're not you're not getting
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Sam Donald back here. You know, the free agent class
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: is not a lade. The quarterback draft is probably not
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: going to be a top two pick fall into the Jets.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Are you any worse off with Rogers? But to me,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: my response is culturally, you got to just get rid
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of them if you want to start new and reset
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: what you thought.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Because of the cap situation and the dead money, you
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: definitely have to look into is there is there a
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: way to bring them back for one more year and
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: be a bridge guide to potentially a rookie that you
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: draft if you can, you know, sit down and get
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: everyone on the same page. Garrett Wilson top of the list, right,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: because if Garrett's not happy, it's not going to work.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: And you know, really the way that we saw it
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: was Devonte was coming in to open things up for Garrett,
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: not the other way around, So that that relationship has
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: to be fixed. That's but for the next you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: head coach and GM, that's top of the list.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: You have to look into it. I wouldn't say you
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: just release them day to season's over.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: Again because if you if you get rid of him now,
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: the dead cap is so big.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: So you have to at least look into that situation.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: And maybe a Rabel.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Says, you know what, I'll take Rogers for a year,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: I'll draft somebody, let him sit, and I think we can.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Win ten games running the ball, playing good defense with Rogers.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: What about culturally though, having him in there with the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: McAfee once.
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: I think, I think that's for the new head coach
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: and GM to the side if it can right ANSWER's
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: going on inside the locker room.
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: But again, what I see from Garrett Wilson I don't like.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: And I think every Jets fan you know is on
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: the same page that Garrett Wilson is a key piece
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: into turning this situation around and he's got.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: To be happy.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Joe, I'm gonna give you guys names. Now forget GM
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: for a second. I'm gonna pepper you with just names.
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: Give me your.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Thoughts if this is ultimately the head coach of the
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: New York Jets. Are you feeling good? Are you feeling
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: like you're settled? Are you feeling like you know this?
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: This won't be it? The first name I'm I'm going
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: to give you is the one that you mentioned. Liam Cohen,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: who is a University of Massachusett's former quarterback, has been
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: around coaching ranks, was with the Rams for a while
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: under McVeigh, and of course was with Kentucky when Will
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Levis had his big ears, and then went back to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: the NFL and was with Tampa Bay in this great
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Baker season. If Liam Cohen, first year head coach, really
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: green but also considered a really smart offensive mind as
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the head coach, how are you feeling in the morning
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: after that press conference?
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: I think I'd be excited. I think you're playing coordinator
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: roulette a little bit, but that is inevitable when you're
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: doing these searches. If you're not going to land the
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: big fish like Vrabel and if you're going to play
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: coordinator Roulette. I think most Jet fans would be excited
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: to see that be from the offensive side of the football.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, this is a franchise that has basically only
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: hired guys from the defensive side of the football outside
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: of Gase, which I've tried to erase from my memory.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: So I think you'd be a generally happy fan base
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: if they hired him. He seems to be a top
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: three pick from fans right now, Danny, But Joe, Is.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Liam Cohen a great play caller or is he a
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: culture builder? Head coach CEO? That's what I'm great I think,
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: I think Williams. I think Liam's done a great job
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: with Baker in the Bucks. You know, they're putting up
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of points, and I mean Mike Evans is
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: having a fantastic season under the radar Bucky Irving.
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: But the Jets need more than a play caller, right
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: We need somebody that can really come in and change
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: the culture, like with what I've seen Jim Harball do
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: with the Chargers.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: You know he's not a play caller, right, No, No,
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: they have they have their guys.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Greg Romans, the play caller in.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: La but those guys don't Those guys don't grow on
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: trees right now?
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: How many? How many guys besides raybo Cat you go
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: to college?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: What about Pete Carroll?
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: I like Pete Carroll?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Do you seventy three years old?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I think he was the coach of the Chicks for
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the for the Boomerasias and Fake Spike before.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: I like Pete Carroll. I don't think it's the right
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: fit with the Jets. I think he's the right fit
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: with a team that has a short window to win now,
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: not a rebuild, and we're looking for somebody that can
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: come in right the ship and be here a long term.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: So I think Pete Carroll's probably a better fit for
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: a different team, Joe.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I think Pete Carroll people would be again excited about
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: because outside of Rabel, there's not a lot of names
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: out there who have been former head coaches who have won.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Ed Carroll's obviously won a lot. You worry about the age,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: but he's always been a high energy guy, so I
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: don't worry about quaint as much with him. I just
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like I haven't heard a lot of chatter
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: about that marriage. Maybe he doesn't want to come back here.
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: He's already been a head coach here. It seems like
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: maybe that's more of a Bears thing. I certainly wouldn't
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: hate it, you know, I'd be more excited about that
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: than some of the other names I've been seeing, like
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Arthur Smith or Matt Naggy trying to get a heart
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: attack for every Jet fan when they see that. So
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: I don't think you'd see Jet fans angry about a
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Pete Carroll because again, he's won, and it's very hard
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: to find guys who have won. You got to end
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: a lot of times you end up rolling the dice
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: on the coordinator of the moment, And can they build
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: the right stack, can they have the right assistant head coach?
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Can they know can cod hire the right defensive coordinator?
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: Is a guy like Rivera here as an assistant head
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: coach to help him as a first time or on
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: the job or something like that. I don't know, but
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: if it's not veryable, Carol's probably the only other former
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: head coach out there with that kind of reputation that
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: would be in the mix.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I want both your thoughts, Danny, I was doing Good
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Morning Football today and Tom Pellasero very suddenly dropped the nugget,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: and I don't think it's from Bob Lamont, the agent
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: who doesn't need to be dropping nuggets. And Bob represents everybody,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: but his biggest client for many.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Years was one John Gruden.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: And now John Gruden's name came up on Good Morning
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Football that the Saints offered him the offensive coordinator job.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: He said, no, thank you, you went to barstool instead.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Danny from lot E, If John Gruden is wearing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: The Jets colors at a press conference on January eighth
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: as the CEO of the football team, what is your reaction?
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: Wouldn't be too excited about that one.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: You know, John was given the keys by the Raiders
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: really to come in, pick the players, run the team,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: and we saw what happened, right, It wasn't a success.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: I think he made the playoffs once as a enough Okay,
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: So yeah, you know, if I was going to go
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: for a coach like that, honestly, i'd take Rex over
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: John Rudin. But I'm excited about that either.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: All Right, Rex thoughts Joe.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: It's honestly, it's it's mind blowing to me that this
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: is actually like a real conversation.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: It seems to be.
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: It seems like he's going to get intoview.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: He will get an interview.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: I mean, this guy is not been a head coach
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: in a decade. Now, Listen, what every Jet fan loves
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: about Rex is that Rex has a genuine passion for
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: being a Jet thank you for the organization, which outside
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: of fans it's few far between out there. Now Does
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: that mean he has any idea how to coach a
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: winning team at twenty twenty four? Who is his offensive coordinator?
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: Is he re High the old band from twenty ten?
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but man, I do if he gets
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: an interview, and like Rabel's already somewhere else, I do
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: kind of worry about the ground smell of being like
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: about it just time. And I also feel like if
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: you're not bringing Rogers back, like there's a Rex in
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Rogers like one two year like bridge thing I could
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: maybe talk myself into, because I don't have a choice
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: because I'm a Jets fan. Beyond mat Man, that is
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: like potential for a complete disaster, and I don't want
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: to ruin by what was good Rex memories. Although it
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: didn't angreat, it just feels like crazy to me. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: don't think they can do it.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: I agree with you, Joe, but I would interview Rex
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: and I would hear what he has to say, because look,
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: he's been on ESPN, He's seen what's going on in
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: the league, and he knows football, and he can shoot
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: it to Wood's straight and tell him really what's going
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: on here, what the problems are here, and what needs
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: to change. And I think that would just be a
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: good conversation, you know, for what he to have. I'm
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: not banging a table for Rex to be the coach,
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: and I don't think a lot of Jets fans would
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: be happy for that. I'm just saying when it comes
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: to hiring an old coach that hasn't had success in
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: a while, and we're bringing up Gruden, you know, I
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: don't think either of these guys are the right fit
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: right now.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: One thing I would say with Rex, and I wish
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I could. Maybe I will reach out to him. I've
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: talked to him before. It's like you can't come in
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: there and be like my son is going to be
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, my brother's defensive coordinator, and Dennis Thurmond is
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: going to be, you know, in the in the defensive room,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: like those guys can all have jobs, and I understand,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but like you kind of need to pair Rex with
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: one of these hot offensive coordinators to kind of satisfy
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: the fan base, right.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, because that was always a concern with Rex
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: about was he just focused on the defense and it
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: worked for a little bit with Shoddy, But you need
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: a new offensive mine if you're going to go that route,
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: and you have to have a real.
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: Forward thinking plan.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: And look, I mean, he's probably one of the five
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: or six most likely people to get the job, which
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: again feels inconceivable, but everything around this franchise feels inconceivable
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: at times.
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: So I think he's gonna get an interview and be
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: in the mix.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, I got a few more names that will wrap this.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I actually love this exercise. It's good to get it
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: all out there, all right, Danny, I'll start with you
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: on this one coach with New York Ties, the pride
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: of Polly Prep in Brooklyn, and a guy who absolutely
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: despises the Miami Dolphins and a guy who also has
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: a legal bout going on with the NFL, Brian flores
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Man a very few words, would he do anything for
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you as far as moved the needle as a new
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: head coach of the New York Jets.
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: I would definitely say Flores is in the top five
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: on my interview list. He's a hard nosed, no nonsense,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: you know, really strong defensive coach. He's done a great
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: job with the Vikings. I think he's also a culture builder.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: But with him as well, you know who's he bringing
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: his offensive coordinator because he's not bringing Kevin O'Connell with them, right,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: so you know that's going to be the key piece
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: with Flores is who's running the offense. But Brooklyn guy,
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: you know AFC East experience, did a decent job with
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: the Dolphins.
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: He you know, they made the playoffs with they.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: They didn't they didn't make the playoffs. They made it
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: with Gase, they didn't make it with and they just
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: missed out. Okay, But obviously going back in it, like
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: just for Floras and I'm not speaking on behalf of Brian,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: but like he and Tua obviously had an issue and
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: he and Chris Career, so there was friction there, which
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: is never a good thing for your head coach.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: They weren't on the same page. But he was not
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: a to a.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Guy from all tents from all the accounts afterwards, and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: whether or not he's right or not is you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the jury's out on that.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: But like he would have gone with FITZI I think
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: over Tua, he's.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Got to come with a GM that he has a
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: relationship with, that he can work with. But he's definitely
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: a guy the jet should be talking to.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, Joe, what do you think of Flora's I like
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Flora's a lot as a candidate.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: I think he should be in the top like three ish.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: I think from an energy and an attitude and a
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: toughness standpoint, they badly need that, especially on the defensive
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: side of the football. They are just so soft and
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: it's crazy watching a unit that was so good quickly
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: gets so bad. Who's the offensive coordinator? You know, I'll
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: get you high in the sky. Could he bring Josh
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: McCown this is offensive coordinator? About that?
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Ye?
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Could you include a trade for jj McCarthy in that
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: since the Vikings are going to roll with the now
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: you know, now we're piecing it all together to ride
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: the coattails of the Vikings. Like you gotta think a
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: little outside the box in a vacuum. I think Flora
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: is a strong candidate, and I think if they don't
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: get Rabel, I think you t hear a lot of
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: Jet fans being like, all right, I prefer him. I
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: prefer Cone, and you know, maybe we could get Carol.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: But I hear Flora's his name come up a lot,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: and I think he hates the Dolphins.
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: I think he might not have been wrong about Tua.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I think Jet fans will like that he's familiar with
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: the division, and you know, he won a decent amount
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: of games in a really hard situation.
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: So I don't mind him as a candidate at all.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, some wild card names that I'm going to put
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: out there, Mike McCarthy if it doesn't work out in Dallas,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: if he's a if he's either fired or he's like,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I want to entertain other options because my contracts expired, Joe,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: would you be interested in meeting with Mike McCarthy as
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: the next head coach of the New York Jets.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: It doesn't get me particularly excited. I think doesn't hurt
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: to meet with him. He's a guy who's had a
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: lot of success. Obviously there'll be a lot of well
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Rodgers is going to come back now? I don't know
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: where the relationship sits at the moment. I'm assuming it's
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: pretty positive based on the latest documentaries, but I don't know.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: It kind of feels like maybe the time has passed
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: him by, and I'm not particularly excited about it. Reasonable
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: from an interview perspective, but if they're end up hiring him,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: I feel like there's not.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: Going to be parades in the streets of forum talk
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: about it.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Danny, Mike McCarthy, what's your reaction.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: With the talent he's had.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: I think he's underachieved, hasn't shown up in a lot
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: of big games. I think having Aaron Rodgers for all
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: those years probably should have more than one ring. And
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: you know, been a disappointment with the Cowboys as well.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Seems like they win a lot of games and then
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: when it comes to, you know, crunch time in the playoffs,
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: they underperform. So I'm going to pass on Mike all right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Joe Cliff Kingsbury, former head coach, having a lot of
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: success with Jayden Daniels.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: We haven't mentioned his name yet.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: I think that'd be an interesting one. I know he's
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: been through the cycle and interviewed here before. Again, I
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: think people will be excited about an offensive mind. There's
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: always been some questions there that he kind of flame
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: out down the stretch. But was that more of a
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Cardinals thing, Kyler thing than a him thing. I mean,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: not at the top of the list, but someone I
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: think worth talking to, and you know he's going to
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: bring it innovative offense and with depending on who the
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: quarterback is and how you're designing an offense around him.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: It's an interesting enough name. I'm curious if he would
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: go through the interview process again with the Jets, kind
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: of like a lot of Jet fans are excited about Munkin.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: But is Monken gonna go do the whole song and
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: dance again after twenty nineteen.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure, And I wonder if Kingsbury is in
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: the same boat.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Danny, what do you think Kingsbury has a name?
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I like Cliff a lot. I think he's a great
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: offensive mine, great play caller. He's done a masterful job
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: of Gayden Daniels. I think we all see that. My
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: concern with Cliff and it's just just not knowing the guy.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: Can he come in and be a CEO and change
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: the culture. If the answer to that is yes. Look,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: he obviously can get the offense turned around, and he
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: can work with the rookie quarterback, and there's not many
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: guys out there that can coach the quarterback these days.
• 40:03
  Speaker 7: So you know, Cliff's definitely in the top tier.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: Definitely want to talk to him, and I think with
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: his personality, he'd be a good fit for New York
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: as well.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Morning after Joe, The answer is Cliff Kingsbury Morning After.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: The reaction by the New York Jets fan base that
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you deal with is eh, is all right, It's kind
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of it's kind of like I think.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: I think it's like cautious optimists think he's like, all right,
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: let's be open minded. We'll look at everything he just
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: did with Daniels like. He's got the fun personality. I
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: think that could fit well handled the right way. How's
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: he building the rest of his staff? Again, I think
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Jet fans, from what I've seen, if you trot out
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: a Matt Maggie, you trot out in Arthur Smith, you
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: trot out to Rivera. That's why I've seen Jet fans
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: of a very visceral, angry reaction. I don't think you
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: get that with Kingsbury. I think people will be open
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: minded about it.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: A couple more start with you, Joe Aaron Glenn, former
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Jets legend parcels Era has really paid his dues, but
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: that defense has been torched this year despite injury.
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, I like Glenn. He's gotten less popular in
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: the past month, which maybe isn't fair at him because
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: he's playing with a bunch of practice squad guys on
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: defense right now. I like that he's coming from such
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: a strong culture. He's learned under Dan Campbell. It's nice
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: that he's played here and was like a successful, like
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: overachieving guy. How much that translates to being a coach,
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but people will be very open minded
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: to giving him a chance because again, he's another guy
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: I think that will identify well with the organization. And
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: let's see how the defense looks to the playoffs. Can
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: they If the Lions go in Super Bowl or get
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl and the defense overachieves, I think
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: people will start talking themselves back into him. Who's the
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, of course, will be a key question. I
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: think he'll definitely get an interview, and I think it's
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: either the Saints or the Jets.
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: Wherever he ends up being a head coach, Danny.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: It just feels too similar to Salah Right, I got it,
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: you know, legit defensive coordinator on a winning team. Look,
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: they've done an amazing job changing the culture with the Lions,
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: and I think, you know, Glenn has a front row
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: seat to you know, what Dan Campbell has done, and
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: I'm sure.
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: He's been played a big part in it as well.
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: But it just feels too similar to Saul hiring the
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: hot defensive coordinator. I know he has, you know, the
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: history with the Jets, and I always liked Aaron Glenn,
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: but in the position that we're in, I think we
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: just need something a little different.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: All Right, The next three names I'm just going to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: throw together, and you guys tell me if any of
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: them do anything for you. Joe Brady, Okay, Helen Moore
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and Wes Phillips, who is helping Kevin O'Connell with the
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Vikings offense. Do any of those three names, and he's
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: also Wade Phillips's kid, Do any of those three names
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: do anything for you, guys.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Brady's kind of interesting. He's a guy I think the
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: Jets have spent some time looking at He's familiar with
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: the division. I think he's done really good work in Buffalo,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: kind of like the He's got an interesting background. I
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: think he's a name that came up a decent amount,
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: especially compared to the other two you mentioned, and have
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: not really heard kicked around anywhere near as much.
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: And that doesn't mean they're.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: Not going to get hired, because I don't think people
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: expected Gas to get hired when he got hired, you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: so on and so forth. I think Brady of those three,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: to me, is the most interesting.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Danny, Kellen Moore, West Phillips, Joe Brady.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I just put them all in because the three offensive
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: guys on three teams that are going to the playoffs.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: I agree with Joe. Joe Brady is the top of
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: that list for me. You know, a few years back,
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: if you guys remember, he was, you know, hot, at
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: the top of at the top of you know, everybody,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: the interview.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: For the Carolina job, I think when he was twenty
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: nine years old. Any names that I have not mentioned
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: that intrigue you. I'm going to throw out a name
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: who's running the defensive backfield in Denver that I have
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: not gotten any traction with that I've mentioned a few
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: places Jim Leonard, the Old Jet is with Patrick Sartan
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and with those guys, you want to talk about a cultural,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: cultural guy. I remember when he's a player, and then
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: you hear about the Wisconsin years, and then I know
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: from Sean Payton that in Denver, like he's a real
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: voice there. That's my name as an absolute wild card
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: outside the box, like thought, Jim Leonard to come in
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: and you got your your bridge to the rex Era
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: and your bridge to the Jets, But you also have
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: a young coach that hasn't been talked about at all.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Is there any other names that you guys would like
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to see at least interviewed that as fans and as
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: people who follow it kind of.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Move your need a little bit.
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: Leonard has some big fans in the bad Lands staff.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: I will say that would be right outside the box.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: I think the name recognition certainly wouldn't hurt him. Questions again,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: who's calling the plays? Is he ready for that kind
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: of role? Do you leap frog and give him McCown
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: directly an interview as a head coach and skip and
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: say you know what, he was maybe gonna get interviewed
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: as a head coach a few years ago for Houston,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: and we're gonna just jump right ahead and we're gonna
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: assume he learned enough from O'Connell and could be that
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: guy for us. I know he's beloved by the Jets organization.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: So those are two other guys with former Jet ties
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: that I think are interesting. It doesn't feel like there's
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: any like names at the college level that anyone is
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: talking about anymore.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Matt Campbell's name, like it's almost the window pass now.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we spent a lot of time talking about Matt Campbell,
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: but I feel like that windows kind of passed now,
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: and it's just there's not like that college head coach
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: that since they didn't get it on.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: Hardball, that they're going to go after it all.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: So Leonard and McCown a little more deeper cuts, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: would be interesting.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: Danny, I'll throw one out there, Joe, what about Kirby Smart?
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: And look, I think that's one percent chance of him
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: even taking the.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Nay, why not create some buzz I like it?
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Why not make the call. I mean, if there's one
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: guy in college that I think could do it at
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: the NFL level, it's him.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good way to wrap this because
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: my advice to any any team that's in a situation
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: like the Jets, and I think the Bears and the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Saints are, it doesn't hurt to try to at least
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: meet with these guys, and if they say no, there's
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: no harm done.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: The fans do not spite you for that.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: But like if Adam Schefter tweeted out that the Jets
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: have requested an opportunity to meet with Kirby Smart and
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Kirby Smart declined it and is going back to Georgia.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think a single Jets fan.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Would be like, oh, what the hell are they doing
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: talking to Kirby Smart.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I actually liked that idea.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: And I had the news that the Bears were sniffing
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: around on Marcus Freeman.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: I know that because it's true and Freeman got an extension.
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: Of Notre Dame.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: Not because I'm my report, but he's a good coach
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. But it didn't hurt the Bears to
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: have that out there. I think it actually was like, okay, cool,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: we're looking for something.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, look, Jet fans, I don't see any world
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: they would complain about that. They want the organization to
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: cast a wide net, to think outside the box, to
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: try any and everything to fix this damn thing. And
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: if what he's willing to throw around the kind of
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: money that it would take to get him to leave,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: I don't think you'd see people complain about it. It certainly again,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: it's better than hiring some of the lower tier names.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: I would argue that we discussed where that would generate
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: some buzz, and not in a bad way that you're
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: rolling the dice, but all these guys really, probably outside
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: of Rabel, you're rolling the dice to a pretty big extent.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: It's just you got to hope for the best and
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: hope it finally clicks together with the head coach of
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: the GM.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna wrap with this.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: Danny.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: You are a long time season ticket holder with your family.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: You walked away this year.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Your message to the Jets fans and the Jets organization
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: as to why you finally said enough is enough.
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Look, I haven't felt this way since one in fifteen,
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: So I'm just hoping that what he feels the same way.
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: He's had enough, he's ready to swing big, bring in
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: somebody that he's going to hand the keys to and say,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: let look, let me, let me stay out of the way,
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: let the football guys do their thing, and bring you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: respectability back to the Jets. I'm hoping that's what can happen.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: You know, there's been a lot of bad you know
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: press out there, articles about you know, teenagers running the show,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Madden ratings and a lot of other nonsense, and hopefully
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: this is a big wake up call and gets them
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: to kind of rally around and say, you know, let's
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: make the right hires here and you know, get on
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: the road to respectability.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Joe, I wrap with you as one of the leading
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: content creators with one of the number one podcasts on
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the Jets. Your message if say Jets ownership or Jets
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: presidenter Jet's leadership is listening to this podcast over the
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: New Year's weekend.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: Man like you got hearts and minds to win.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: This is as down as I've seen the fan base
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: ever viscerally angry across the board. So you better be
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: very proactive with your communications about how robust this search
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: is going to be. You better be very proactive talking
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: about structural changes that are going to happen to the
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: organization that you're going to be a forward thinking org.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: You're going to staff up the front office. You're going
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: to staff up analytics, You're going to staff up scouting.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: We are going to do this right and build it
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: the right way. We are going to squash any questions
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: or debates that were not apologize for how these last
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: few years ago. Recognize that it's the longest drought in
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: American professional sports which exist, that insane fourteen years. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: let's get this new regime to have a mandate sooner
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: rather than later to make the damn playoffs. And Joe
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: Douglas and Robert Hollow were given a lot of time.
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: They were given four years and six years, respectively. This
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: fan base, more than any other fan base in any
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: major sport, just needs a playoff appearance to get that
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: monkey off their back and move forward from there. So
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: let's have a little urgency. Let's not be raising the
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: ticket price in the middle of the season at the
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: worst possible time, and let's play some offense from a
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: pr perspective instead of being reactive. And fans will be there.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: We'll always show up. We'll just be watching, even if
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: we don't have season tickets. I don't have season tickets
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: anymore either. But you know, I'll be watching that Miami
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: game at four twenty five on Sunday seeing if we're
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: gonna be picking third or ninth or whatever the hell
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: is gonna happen. But man, this is as Matt as
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: I've seen the fan base ever. And I get it.
• 49:31
  Speaker 5: Joe.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I think you have a similar I think you have
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: a similar brain as I do as far as memories
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: of games are. I was listening to the podcast that
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: you guys do, and you're like, you had your I
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: guess your first your first child or your second child.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: You're like, I.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Remember the game that was an hour later and it
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: was what was that game?
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: And I cause I think we've all been there where.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: It's like, that's how you kind of these life memories, Yes,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: apt in football memories.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: The first the first hour my kid's life is watching
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: Darnold against the Dolphins throw a touchdown to Balal Pound. Now,
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: unfortunately they lost that game and now he's a Jets
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: fan already. My wife is furious about it, but they
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: stuck and he's gonna have to deal with it for
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: the rest of his life. And I was trying to
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: explain to him because he's well do you want them
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: to win today when we're watching the Buffalo game, Like,
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be mad if they win, but I'm
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: also not gonna be mad if they lose because we
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: need a better draft pick, and no six year old
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: should have to wrap their head. I just want to
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: win games and go to playoff games. Danny.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: You you've got two beautiful daughters that are under the
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: age of eight, Like they're they're they're born into this.
• 50:22
  Speaker 7: Right, this is why God gave me two daughters.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: So you know, I can't put a son through the
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: pain that I've been through that.
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: A lot of my friends are putting their kids through.
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: You know, nobody should have to go through it like this.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: Is like a grieving paraphy.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: Look, you talk about memories and stuff like that. I mean,
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: I remember banging the table for Ed Reid and you
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: know tag Leabou I think it was at that time,
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: going up to the podium and you know, saying the
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Jets have selected Brian Thomas, and you know how furious
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 50:58
  Speaker 7: So the stories are endless.
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: You know, there's been a lot of disappointment, and you
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: know it's time to time to finally get this right
• 51:08
  Speaker 5: and build a long term winning organizations.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: You guys are the best. I so appreciate you doing this.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Look it's December, like twenty twenty four. We're gonna turn
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the page. Twenty twenty five is the new year.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: As you guys know, I went on.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: National television and said that the Jets are gonna be
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the one seed in the AFC and Rogers's.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: Gonna be the MVP. I have done a lot of
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: great things, a lot of butter things.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: I never have even in a million years, imagine the
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: amount of I would take. I can't walk down the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: street in New York without someone saying nice Jets pick
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: so like, I'm in it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: With you, guys, I really am this year. I'm with you.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: We need this season to be over it. It's time.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: I am ready. Not that we're not always ready for
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: the off season, but I am really ready for the
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: off season to hit. And it's got to end.
• 51:49
  Speaker 6: At some point.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: The playoff dround has to end at some point. I
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: look at Buffalo, I look at Detroit. They were a
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: mess for a very very long time, and I hold
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: on to that has some hope in the future. NIXT
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: to next for a disaster for a while and We're
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: good now, so.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Let's see Danny closing statements and then we'll get out
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: of here.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Show you brought the next look what they did, right,
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: you know, they brought in somebody with a lot of
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: experience and knowledge to run the organization and we see
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: the results. So Woody, Christopher hie me, you know, look
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: to them as a case study and you know, let's
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: do the same.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Guys, Happy New Years. I appreciate both of you. Joe Caparosa,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: you can find them on the bad Lands podcast.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Very good listen.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Not just Jets focused, all football focused, but they really
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: they got the heart of the Jets fan.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: And Danny, do you want to promote anything?
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: I know you don't have a blog or a podcast,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: but you could. You could promote our text chain. You
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: can promote our our weekly padel games.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Whatever you want.
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, paddle House, Dumbo shout out. You know it's our
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: weekly spot. You know. I'm sure you guys have heard
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: a lot about paddle from Peter. You know, great sport.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: And uh, we'll see you in the new year.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: In there, all right, boys, thank you?
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: I love those two guys.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: They didn't know each other are going in but I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: thought that's a really good like brainstorming session.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, maybe you don't care about the
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Jet's coaching job.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's a huge, huge story over the next
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: few weeks because it determines Rogers's future and also a
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: lot of dominoes will fall. But I have no idea
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: who that job is going to, but good luck to
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: whoever it does, and that includes the general manager role.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: The season with.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Peter Schrager is presented by delivering Results, which is presented
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• 53:41
  Speaker 1: was outstanding over the weekend, and that's Jaden Daniels, the
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: rookie from Washington. I could have done a whole podcast
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: on what the Commanders have done. They just won their
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: eleventh game for the first time since nineteen ninety one.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels had five touchdowns on Sunday. Jaden Daniels had,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: of course the one hundred and I think sixty seven
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: rushing yards on Sunday. The guys putting up huge numbers
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: as a rookie and he's doing it for a friend.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: That has never needed it more.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: If Jets fans listen to that whole podcast and A're wondering,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: how in the world do we get out of this rut?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Getting at Jaden Daniels helps and Jaden was outstanding. That
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• 54:24
  Speaker 1: Now, I want to thank all of you for listening
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: all this season. It's been a great one. Aaron wan
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Kaufman amazing producer and great friend and co host when
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: needed popping in. He's behind the mic today or he's
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes today, but I always appreciate Aaron's work.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Jason English, who.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: I think is as good of an executive at any
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: of these media companies. He's out of iHeart and shows
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: his face. He's present and he's always aware of what's
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: going on. And thank you to the NFL for the
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: opportunity to this podcast with them. We have a playoffs,
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: we have a super Bowl, and then we'll see from
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: there as we head.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Into draft time. But the next few weeks.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: I know what you're listening for. You want coaching gossip.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: You want news around the league, We'll try to give
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: you the best of it. Thanks for listening, everybody. Enjoy
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: your New Year's and Happy New Years if you turn
• 55:05
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• 55:07
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