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Weekly Dose of Fat – Lance Sisson – Show #35 – 12-19-14 · Full Spectrum Cycling

• 0:00
  Weekly Dose of Fat: Super Drunk Holiday Edition for December 19th, 2014, show number 35.
• 0:10
  [upbeat music] From the North Pole, it's the special Super Fat Holiday Edition of the Weekly Dose of Fat with Sven and Gomez.
• 0:33
  Felices fiestas, gachos. Let's all gather around the Festivus pole and prepare [laughs] for the airing of the grievances. I already have a grievance. When did we get Rudolph on the show?
• 0:45
  [laughs] Hello, ladies and gentlemen. It's just me, Rudolph. Sven Hopgood. [laughs] Just affecting it a little more than normal. Yes. [laughs] But I've been there.
• 0:54
  And obviously joining us in the studio today is JK Livin. Yes, the very nasal. Super honky JK Livin. Honk.
• 1:03
  Today we have the musical warbling of the Fat Bike Radio 10,000 Accordion Orchestra, conducted by Sir Christopher Daisy. Hey, our s- holiday special is sponsored by Surly Bikes.
• 1:17
  Surly makes the Purgatory, the Karate Monkey, the Pugsley, and the Moonlander, and also pants. So that's five things that changed- [laughs]... the world- I, I-... the cycling world... finally got my pants hemmed.
• 1:29
  [laughs] See, that's- You're, you're part of this story, Sven... he was, he was awesome. He left, he left the, uh, he left the bottom snap on. See, you can hem four inches out of these [laughs] and still use your snap.
• 1:40
  So four bikes that changed the bike industry once they were introduced, and a pair of pants that changed Sven's life. I changed my pants yesterday too. [laughs] Learn more about bikes, pants, and fun at surlybikes.com.
• 1:55
  What do we got going on the show this week, JK? Oh, well, we have beer as always. Yeah, there's Lance Zison from ELEVEN9. The Bluto gets winterized. Fox buys Race Face and Easton. They've been on a buying spree.
• 2:12
  We, you know, we, we just don't ever have, like, a beer intro. It's just always like, "Beer." Beer. [laughs] Is it that time already? It is. It is. It's beer o'clock, because we don't really do anything.
• 2:24
  We don't [laughs] really- [laughs]... get the show started till- Till-... we get a little, uh, greasy... after, after the beer. Greasy. So I think we all got opener, eh? Opener. This is a Negra Modelo. [bottle pops] Oy.
• 2:35
  Oh. Oh. That's a good one. I have the, uh- No... hand, the hand-shredding bottle opener here. I think we might have actually used this beer before- [laughs]... on this show.
• 2:46
  We're bound to run into some dupes here- I know... and there at some point, right? This is, this is my desert island beer. It's a Vienna lager made in Mexico, beautiful amber, caramely brown beer, deliciously sweet.
• 3:01
  Easy- Was... Yeah, it's good stuff. When you go down to, uh, Con Hijos, you would never order a Miller. Just order a Negra Modelo. Oh. And it went to- What does Negra Modelo mean in your- I was thinking-...
• 3:13
  in your second tongue there? Black modelo. What is a modelo? Uh, it's a brewery in Mex- Oh, okay [laughs]... Mexico. [laughs] But isn't it, like, mixing the genders of the speech?
• 3:24
  Yeah, the, as far as, as far as using- Grammar... instead of saying Neg- It's grammar [laughs]... Negra Modelo, yeah, I, you know. So it's a, so it's a female- It rolls right off the tongue... it's a female beer. Yeah.
• 3:33
  Negra Modelo. Negra Modelo. [trills] It rolls right down the back of the throat too. Well, you could just say to any waitress, "[trills]" Don't say it. You drink it. [laughs] [laughs] Yeah. Arriba Andale.
• 3:44
  This is my beer. This is... Every time I buy this beer, I'm like, "Why do I buy any other beer?" This is the beer I really like. So cheers, boys. Salveza. It's the holidays. Woot, woot.
• 3:58
  Speaking of the holidays, this is gonna be our last, uh- Show for the year... sit in the studio show for the year.
• 4:03
  We're gonna put together some, uh, blooper reels or bring up a couple of the interviews that we had particular fun with last year, and, uh, rundowns.
• 4:11
  We're gonna put on a little, uh, country music, a little jaw harp music that, uh- Ladies and-... JK and I [laughs] do in the backyard. [laughs] I had not found my jaw harp for a while.
• 4:22
  [laughs] Ladies and gentlemen- Because-... Mr. Conway Twitty... my, my, my. [laughs] This is- So-... very drinkable, since 1925... it got a 77 on Beer Advocate. Oh, we're moving up from the PBR of last week. Yeah.
• 4:34
  Well, and I did check PBR, and it actually gained a point. [laughs] It's up to 69 now. It's, it's up to 69. [laughs] 69, dude. Beautiful. So yeah. We'll be back with our special guest, Lance from ELEVEN9.
• 4:49
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• 5:01
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• 5:19
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• 5:27
  There's a mountain bike park and some great beach riding in Zion, so come, make a day of it. Call 847-746-2200 or visit zioncyclery.com.
• 5:43
  Hey, we're back with Lance Zison from ELEVEN9 Bikes. Welcome to the show, Lance. Hey, Lance. Hey, guys. How, how's it going, guys? Going well. How about you? I am fantastic. Things are great out here.
• 5:55
  What's the weather like in Las Vegas? Uh, well, we got a little bit of you guys right now. It's, uh, it's been cloudy and kind of rainy and yuck-... two or three days, and we're getting rain tonight.
• 6:07
  It's, uh, for us, it's chilly. It's 55. [laughs] Yeah, man. Well, it's been in the f- was in the 50s here the other day, so we're looking forward to the, the cold. We need some frozen ground to ride on.
• 6:16
  The beach is, uh, not re- really set up yet for that, but- Yep... um, so Lance, your company, el- uh, Eleven Nine, was one of the first ones that we noticed making full suspension bikes.
• 6:28
  I know you've, uh, put a lot of work into it. What kind of led you down that path of, uh, full suspension fat bikes? Well, my, my initial path was led by anger [laughs]
• 6:40
  in response to something that happened to me at Interbike four years ago. And, uh, the gist of it is I got treated poorly by somebody, and I walked away from the whole thing going, "You know what? Really?
• 6:51
  Who are you to treat me like that? How hard can this be? I'll do it." [laughs] You know, "If you can do it, I'll do it." And so through that, it led me down the path of, you know, I really liked what he did.
• 7:02
  It was really cool, but there was nobody doing it. Nobody had that, that bike in production anywhere. You know, and, and fat bikes were just emerging. You know, four years ago was, is so different than it is today.
• 7:16
  Absolutely. Oh, yeah. The, the whole fat bike scene is just exploding. And, uh, you know, I'm thankful to be a part of it. I'm really happy with what we've done.
• 7:24
  But, uh, you know, we've just gone down this path and just tried to do things that, um, you know, like I said, I did it out of anger, but I did things that I wanted.
• 7:33
  And, you know, I'm not here to tell you that you, you know, you have to ride my bike and it's the best on the planet. You know, it, it's, I like it. It does exactly what it's supposed to do. Um, and it's evolving.
• 7:43
  It, it's just, it's a fantastic field to be in, and it's so much fun. What, uh, what kinda sets your bikes apart from, from other ones out there? Uh, give us a little rundown on the models.
• 7:54
  Uh, well, we have the CMAS, um, which is, uh, a hardtail bike with a four-inch travel, 110 millimeter four-inch travel fork in the front, uh, the Lulu, which, uh, you're riding actually right now on one of your bikes.
• 8:05
  Yep. So, um, and it just, it performs really well. My son, uh, races downhill, and he's, uh, the two-year defending California State Champion, which is fantastic. He just turned 12, uh, 10 days ago, which is really cool.
• 8:18
  Hm. And, uh, you know, I- he won last year's series on the CMAS, the downhill, Southern California Downhill Series. He won it on a hardtail fat bike, which- Nice... I think that's just incredible.
• 8:30
  That's just so much fun. You know, there's kids out there, and their parents have money, and these, these kids, 10, 11, 12-year-old kids are riding $6,000 carbon fiber, you know, downhill rigs just meant to bash.
• 8:42
  And here comes my kid just beating them up with a hardtail fat bike- [laughs]... which, you know, I think is just really cool.
• 8:49
  But, you know, the whole hardtail thing is just phenomenal, and, and that bike rides extremely well in most conditions.
• 8:58
  Um, I ride mine, my hardtail, uh, my Lulu and my Ti hardtail, I'll ride, I'll pre-ride the, the downhill course with him on my Ti bike, just because it's got a little flex in the rear, and it'll, it takes everything you throw at it.
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  You know, I don't jump off the six-foot ledges like he does, but, you know, it's just, it does everything I ask it to do, and that's a hardtail.
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  So, you know, that, then we go on to the, the four-inch travel, the 110 millimeter travel bike, the Epicon.
• 9:23
  Uh, it's 110 millimeters front and rear, and that thing, it's, uh, specced with a 425 Vee Rubber ace rolling tire on it, and it rides really, really well.
• 9:34
  Uh, between the tires, the size of the tires, and the action in the suspension, that thing is just, it sticks to the mountain like you would not believe.
• 9:44
  And then dummy me, I decided, "Hey, let's put something bigger on there." So we put the, uh, the 47 Bulldozers on there, so Vee, Vee Rubber. Cool. And I can't break that thing loose.
• 9:55
  Unless you're in just a pure sand corner and you're trying to rail that thing, and you get it over maybe a little too far, it, I, I can't get it loose.
• 10:04
  So it's improved my riding tremendously, and I'm not the world's greatest rider by any means. Well, cool.
• 10:09
  So it's, uh- I know that, uh, I know that a lot of the dual suspension fat bikes that are out there are in your neck of the woods, and there's gonna be a big event, uh, Sea Otter, where I'm gonna come out, and maybe I can get a ride on one of your bikes, and, uh, we can get, uh, we can get to ride some of these bikes side by side.
• 10:30
  That would be kind of fun, huh? Yeah, compare 'em. Absolutely. Yeah, last year, at, at... I'm gonna digress just for a second.
• 10:36
  Uh, this last season, after, uh, the week after Interbike was Kamikaze up in, uh, Mountain, California. Right on.
• 10:42
  And I actually, I petitioned them, um, about six months earlier to add a fat bike-specific class, and we got it. And there was, uh, five or six of us in the class, and, and everyone had a blast.
• 10:53
  The, all the bikes did really well. Um, my son and I, we rode the two, uh, the Henicon, the DH bike, the six-inch travel bike.
• 11:01
  Uh, and that's just a full-blown DH-specific rig, and that thing is just incredible at high speeds. That's cool. And it's so, so soft and so sweet to ride down. It's nice.
• 11:10
  Um- Yeah, we interviewed Eric Hunter that did the Kamikaze on, uh, I think he was running one of your forks on his Mucklut. Ab- absolutely, yeah. Yeah, he actually, he took second place in that. Right.
• 11:23
  And, uh, um, my, my product manager in Taiwan, he was here, and he rode our, uh, our Epicon, the 110 millimeter bike. He took third, and I missed third place by 1.1 seconds. [laughs] Oh, man.
• 11:37
  [laughs] So you got- So, yeah. Well- You got something to look forward to next year... uh- Yeah... yeah. So also, hopefully I c- I can get him next year when he comes.
• 11:44
  But, um, and then this year, I'm actually, I've already started petitioning and speaking with the people at Sea Otter to get a fat bike-specific class added to the downhill. Oh, cool. Yeah, sounds great. Yeah.
• 11:58
  I mean, you guys do a lot of, uh, the, the type of riding that you get to do out there is a lot different than we get to do here, for the most part.
• 12:04
  So it's, it's interesting to see fat bikes kind of evolving to match the terrain where the people that ride them, you know, are developing them, like you guys are doing.
• 12:14
  Yeah, it would be kind of cool to, uh- Yeah, well, yeah, you know, we have, uh, um, we have a lot of good riding here in Vegas.
• 12:18
  You, I mean, you, you think of Vegas, you think of the Strip, and, "Hey, I'm gonna go party and just sitting here are steakhouses and great meals," and, but w- and we have some of the best riding, you know, in Vegas that, that, you know, for anywhere.
• 12:30
  We have, uh, Bootleg Canyon out in Boulder City, really just gnarly terrain, super technical, um, and totally unforgiving to the bikes and the people. If you crash out there, it's, it's an ambulance ride.
• 12:41
  You're leaving some- something on the mountain, some skin. Yeah, I haven't- You know, we have Mount Charl- Mount Charleston up the other, on the other side, um, going north out of town, and it's just, it's phenomenal.
• 12:50
  It's great flow trails, um, you know, 15, 15 mile long trail, 10, 15 mile long trails. Um, mostly gravity, which is nice, so, like, super D enduro style stuff. Mm. Phenomenal riding. You know, single track is good.
• 13:04
  And, you know, just a few hours away we have Southern California and Utah. You know, southern Utah has got some great stuff for us- Oh, yeah... so we go up there and ride all the time all summer, so. Gooseberry, man.
• 13:13
  Um, absolutely. And, you know, hey, here's an invitation for you guys. If anybody out there is coming to Vegas and wants to go ride, hit me up. Let's go ride. I'll take you out.
• 13:21
  You can sleep in Lance- I got some, I got some federal land I can show you- You can sleep in Lance's garage [laughs] Lance has a cot in his garage for you. [laughs] And then you take- Absolutely...
• 13:29
  he riding, and then God knows what happens. What was that peach stuff we had at Interbike? I got... [laughs] I have, uh, um, th- this'll probably get you out here. I have two gallons of that cooking right now. Wow.
• 13:43
  And he has- Peach... peach hooch. Yeah, don't, don't send it across state lines, wink, wink. [laughs] You just- Yeah, well-... you just email-... you know what'll happen-... thegomez@fatbike.com-... and, and if it-...
• 13:52
  and we'll set you up with Lance's email...
• 13:53
  if it weren't prohibited already, um, I would never send you guys a jug of that, you know, 'cause that's illegal, but if it was completed already, I, Santa might be, uh, available to do that, 'cause I don't think they're gonna arrest Santa, so.
• 14:05
  Right. Nah, Santa's got immunity. [laughs] Very good, Lance. Well, thanks for talking to us. Appreciate you, uh, taking the time, and we're gonna have to- Yeah...
• 14:14
  we're gonna have to get together before, uh, Interbike next year. It's too far away. Yeah, I'll totally see you at, uh- Absolutely, yeah... at CRA.
• 14:19
  Come out riding, and, uh, hey, if you guys are around in March, uh, come up to Moab for the SAH from, uh, Poison Spider Bikes. What's, uh, what is the date of that one again?
• 14:29
  That is, I believe it's March 6th through the 8th, and we're gonna be up there with, uh, the Poison Spider and Billy and the boys, and, uh, uh, bring your dogs with you.
• 14:36
  I think we're gonna have a, uh, a new race category, uh, Pedals and Pooches, so race with your dog. [laughs] So come on out. Sounds like great fun. [laughs] Nice. All righty. All right, cool, Lance. Thanks again, Lance.
• 14:48
  We'll see ya. Absolutely. Thanks, guys. I appreciate it. We'll see ya. Yep, bye-bye. You're once again listening to Fat Bike Radio.
• 14:54
  This is Gret Mattis from Fat Fat Bikes in Acreage, and I'm with Sven and Gomez with Fat Bike Radio. If you're looking to breathe some new life into your relationship, pick up one of our new Carson Corvus.
• 15:06
  We guarantee you've never ridden anything like it. Welcome to the Weekly Dose with Sven and Gomez on Fat Bike Radio. Welcome back to the radio program.
• 15:15
  Here's Sven, and we're gonna talk about stuff that's going on in that big fat bike business world. Fat bike biz. Fat bike's big business now, you know? Yeah? It's not just a niche market anymore. I know. Those big guys.
• 15:31
  It's, it's seeping into a lot of the... You know, it's, like we talked to Lance, it's going all mountain and downhill now.
• 15:38
  I wonder if, uh, Seinfeld was still on the air if this would be hanging in the doorway- Oh, yeah... of the Klein. Oh, yeah. The fat bike sitting in there. Yeah. Uh, they have, they have a new lime green Corvus.
• 15:49
  That would be a perfect bike. Good replacement for the old Klein. For the old lime green Klein.
• 15:54
  We were at the, uh, s- bike swap this weekend, and one of those old monocoque Klein full suspension [laughs] bikes was sitting there without wheels and stuff on it. I was like, "That brings back some memories."
• 16:04
  I have an old Klein in my basement, so. No fat bikes. Klein doesn't make fat bikes. Oh, well. They, there's a guy that got bought out and then just disappeared. Hey, somebody wants- Is that a guy named Gary?
• 16:14
  If somebody wants to buy us out, I may just disappear as well. [laughs] S- send your offers to... [laughs] Yeah. This, this, this fantastic radio program could be yours.
• 16:27
  [laughs] Well, I guess we really need that, that holiday vacation. Yeah, we do. [laughs] So, w- [laughs] so what's the big news this week, Gomez?
• 16:38
  So Ternigan, which is the component division of fatbike.com, which is the parent company of Borealis and Ternigan- And they've got a lot of different companies going under one roof... yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 16:52
  But, you know, they, they are a year-round fat bike company. You betcha. And, uh, they developed a cold weather, uh, washer and O-ring kit for the Bluto. Oh.
• 17:06
  So the Bluto, a lot of you kids didn't know that it really wasn't meant to be worked below freezing. It would work somewhat down to the 20s or the teens, and then it would fail.
• 17:18
  It would, the seals would let everything go to the slack position, and until you thawed it out, it wasn't gonna work. So- That's, that's not an all-season fork in its original form- Right...
• 17:31
  but Ternigan has taken- Turned it into-... that problem and solved it apparently. Right, solved that problem. So I happened to be at, uh, Zion Cyclery, and I actually put eyeballs on this kit.
• 17:42
  It's a series of new seals and O-rings that you install in the fork, and it brings it down to, they've been testing up in, in Fairbanks, down to, you said, negative 20.
• 17:53
  Yeah, they were in the 20 belows range, and they've been doing it for a while. They've kinda been sneaking around behind people's backs all sneaky-like solving this problem.
• 18:00
  So this removes the last, and probably the only, major thing I had against Bluto, was I was like, "Well, my car drives in the winter." [laughs] I mean, come on, man. Yeah. You have, you have to have...
• 18:12
  The technology has to, has to exist. Well, we get a solid four or five months of potentially below freezing weather here. You definitely don't wanna-...
• 18:20
  have your fork not work for, you know, half the year And to, uh, Turnagain's credit here, they did the research, they put this thing together, uh, ahead of SRAM.
• 18:32
  We, I, I pestered the tech contacts that we met at Interbike at SRAM- [laughs]... about what are the recommended- I, I, I have no comment on that. [laughs] I, I, I cannot comment. Right.
• 18:45
  It's not that I don't have one, it's that I'm not going to comment on it. [laughs] You'll have to, you'll have to contact...
• 18:49
  And I just got the runaround when I asked them the question, "What is the recommended operating temperature range for the BlueDot?" 70, 70 degrees is the recommended operating temperature of any fork out there.
• 19:00
  [laughs] Well, I would say, you know, it should go from 110 to, I don't know, [burps] 40 below.
• 19:07
  That would be an ideal range, 'cause your car can do that, although the tires get kind of flat on the bottom if you let them sit too long at 40 below. [laughs] Yeah. They kinda go wump, wump, wump, wump. So now, dudes,
• 19:19
  your BlueDots are year-round. Just get this kit, get a mechanic to do the r- correct install.
• 19:26
  [laughs] Fixie Dave posted that he had actually b- had torn apart BlueDots, like, like metric shit tons of BlueDots over the last month working on this research, so.
• 19:38
  I bet you could send your fork to them and they'd do it for a nominal fee, install their kit. Yeah, it's gotta be... And I bet you, you know, Borealis dealers will have this technology before anybody else too.
• 19:48
  Including Zion Cyclery. Yeah. So in addition to Turnagain coming out with that blockbuster, Fox bought Easton and Race Face. Yeah, that was interesting. Does this, does this mean that we're gonna have Roost Feast?
• 20:02
  Roost, Race Roost. Roost- Roost Feost... components? I think there's a lot of consolidation going on in those lines. There's a lot of overlap. Yeah, they both make stems, they both make seat posts, they both make bars.
• 20:14
  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that they're looking for the wheels from Easton and all the other components from Race Face. Race Face, that, that...
• 20:20
  And what happens to great components like that Next XL Carbon crank, which I- You got one, I got one... I have one, and that bottom bracket has lasted a complete calendar year.
• 20:33
  I had, I knew that you had the crank for a long time. I didn't realize that the actual bottom bracket was the same one it came with. Yep. That's not been- It's, it's never been taken apart...
• 20:39
  that's not been submerged more than how many times it's been underwater on a lap? [laughs] Uh, it's been submerged a lot.
• 20:44
  So, uh, and that is probably, you know, I would've had that thing apart on my Moonlander the first year three or four times with the old BlueDots. True that.
• 20:52
  I got a whole bag of, uh, of external, uh, bottom bracket bearings in the other room,
• 20:59
  and a lot of them don't even spin, and even the little plastic hat washer inside's worn away, and that's when the s- crank starts clunking around in there. So please, Mr. Fox, keep, keep that, uh, Race Face stuff going.
• 21:11
  I'm a bigger Race Face fan than I am Easton, actually. I think Jennifer Fox owns Fox Racing, doesn't she? [laughs] I don't know. [laughs] I don't... That's a good, a good place. Glad to see it.
• 21:21
  So, uh, the last thing that we're gonna talk about in our little freeform, uh, couch session here is Fatter by the Lake. It's a group ride and, uh...
• 21:31
  Wait, I think before we get too far into it, we should have a beer stop. Probably. We're gonna have a couple on Fatter by the Lake. [bottle thuds] Broken. [laughs] Uh, broke my bell from the rocker. Bell. Art Bell.
• 21:44
  So- Do you listen to Art Bell at all? No. Not me either. [laughs] That's why... It's the only Bell I could think of.
• 21:50
  [laughs] So if you look at the picture that's gonna be in the show notes here, there's actually a picture of Sven and I in the same place at the same time. Riding on bicycles, actually. Yeah.
• 22:00
  That wa- there was a lot of people at that ride. That was a good ride. We derbied too. Yeah, aren't you just- And it was icy as hell, and a lot of people sliding around and having fun. I've got...
• 22:09
  I'm just, Jim's installing some Dillinger V's on my, my ride in the other room right now. Cool. Studded ones? Not yet. Yeah. I'm gonna put some studs in 'em. I got- Yeah...
• 22:17
  a bunch of 'em, I just haven't decided how many studs I wanna use. I got a set of studded Force, so, eh, when you need 'em, they're good to have, I tell you. I even studded my boots last year, so- Did you?...
• 22:28
  I have a pair of boots that I can use when, uh, when we're on the w- the beach and it's glare ice that you- So speaking of boots, dude, you are the shoemonger by- Shoemonger, you should say.
• 22:38
  I- I'm like Imelda Marcos- [laughs]... over here. I just bought a new pair of, of boots that I'll be testing, that they look very much like a cycling boot, but they're made for, uh, winter hiking. Okay.
• 22:54
  So, uh- Sounds like interesting... we'll be, we'll be testing those out. I'm interested in flats.
• 22:58
  You know, I've got kind of the big pac boot kinda thing, and I've got the, the Keen y- snow country boots that they use up in Alaska, which I like. That's what has the studs in 'em.
• 23:08
  But sometimes I want a little bit smaller form factor. Mm-hmm. I've been looking forward to some flat foot- Wolfhammers...
• 23:15
  Wolfhammers, but I guess my foot size is kinda weird, 'cause either they stopped making them or everybody already bought 'em all. [laughs] So I can't get any. I k- I said, "David, give me s- send me some boots.
• 23:24
  I'll even pay you for 'em. I don't want 'em for free or anything, I just want some boots, man." Well, if these boots work out, they're $140. All right. Not, not 300 plus dollars.
• 23:36
  So, uh, we're gonna go to this Fatter by the Lake ride. It's Sunday, December 28th at 1:00 PM, and we're gonna ride the beach and drink some beers and, uh, we will derby.
• 23:46
  And here, here's, here's what happened at, when at, uh, Global Fat Bike Day. Big group ride. We take off, we set up a derby in the grass, in this, in a half snow and half grass, right? Yep.
• 23:59
  I, we, we make the thing around and I'm telling you, there were a lot of new people on carbon bikes there. [laughs] And they all just lined up on the road where it was nice and dry- And watched...
• 24:14
  and, and watched us derby. We had, our derby was in the parking lot of Great Lakes Distillery during the Santa Rampage- [laughs]... for our Global Fat Bike Day.... with trailers and- Yeah...
• 24:24
  and fixies and, yeah- Yeah... pure mayhem... and bullet bikes.
• 24:27
  So maybe we should every year, maybe, and all these things, we just have to say, "Okay, carbon guys, you're gonna have your own derby over there, and it's basically you're going to make lace doilies, so maybe later you can put them under our ice cold beers."
• 24:42
  Yeah, derby etiquette requires no carbon. Maybe. [laughs] They're afraid. Oh, man. Hey, we got a lot of links this week. Popular Mechanics. Those, those were... Yeah. Yeah, Popular Mechanics. Uh, Shark Jump maybe.
• 25:01
  They jumped the shark. And the- Sal- Salsa released, uh, another version of the Anything Cage. Yeah. We, do you have one right over there in the- I do... in the photo booth? In the photo booth. A plastic. Yeah. Well,
• 25:13
  high, high quality [laughs] plastic Anything Cage. And, well actually, nylon is what it said- Nylon, right, right... in this, in this story from Toby at North Central Cyclery. Oh. Hey, Toby. How's it going? Hey.
• 25:23
  [laughs] I was talking to my buddy about plastic bikes the other day, 'cause he bought a Madone, Trek Madone- Yeah... road bike last summer, and I go, "What'd you buy a plastic bike for?"
• 25:32
  Guess what he told me the other day, [laughs] "I cracked my plastic bike." [laughs] Ah. I was like, "Oh." Well, the good thing about that- Ryan, I feel sorry for him, man. I'm sorry...
• 25:39
  is, you know, he had to be riding it to crack it. Well, that's true. He was bombing down a hill and banged through a pothole like a imbecile instead of bunny hopping it, but sorry, Brad. So I get to test that, that cage?
• 25:50
  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mi- I don't have any forks with mounts on. I, we're using that Black burrow for, uh, testing, which I've got it on, but- Cool...
• 25:58
  um, that is not gonna be with us forever, unless Mike forgets to ask me for it back. Thanks, uh, thanks, Uncle Mike. [laughs] Mike, Mike, your bike may not make it back. I don't know. We'll see.
• 26:08
  [laughs] I do like that bike. Uh, Pugsley on Patrol, winter wind farming. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's, he, he makes some really pretty amazing videos. He spends a lot of time on those. That, yeah. Yeah.
• 26:22
  I, I wish I had that much time. If somebody buys fatbike.com, we may have the time. [laughs] Uh, this thing with the, the winter bike destinations in Minnesota, have you seen that little map?
• 26:33
  I think every state that has a fat bike specific trail system somewhere should make a map like this, 'cause that was pretty sweet- Yeah...
• 26:41
  showing you several spots around Minnesota where they're doing specific- Grooming... grooming. Because, yeah, like in Wisconsin, they d- the DNR doesn't want snowmobiles and bikers to clash.
• 26:51
  And, you know, a lot of those other user groups have been using their stuff for a long time, and knowing where you can go around your state to ride your fat bike on something made for you to ride your fat bike on, pretty cool.
• 27:02
  But let me just go count point, counterpoint with you here on this, this- Can we, that's a new, it's a new show section, folks- [laughs]... point, counterpoint. [laughs] It is.
• 27:10
  I don't want people to forget that the best fat bike ride in the wintertime is you get snow, it might still be snowing a little bit. You check out the radar. If you wanna go out in the snow, then you go out in the snow.
• 27:23
  But you can wait till you get the new fluffy snow and it's not plowed- Oh... and it's all beautiful, right out your garage and go explore all the dog walking spots and, and parks and go out and explore on your fat bike.
• 27:39
  You don't have to go to these groomed places. Oh, true that. Yeah. You know, the- Absolutely...
• 27:43
  the, the best rides I ever have are packing a thermos of coffee and just going out my garage and going out and finding a awesome pine tree to sit underneath, have some hot cocoa, you know? Mm. We should go ride. Yeah.
• 27:57
  Probably. Yeah. Once we're done with this show. There you go. So anyway, uh, what else you got? You got a bunch of links on here, don't we? Yeah.
• 28:05
  Uh, there's a deal about Jay's Fat Pursuit, some more information on S- Salsa's site about that. Obviously, the Coast Kid, he's trying to out-blog us still. He's got some stuff.
• 28:16
  Wyatt's got a new bike that's about half the price of the one he introduced last year. Nice. Wyatt Bikes. Speaking of Coast Kid, we're, you and I are going to Scotland. I've got my passport application in the car.
• 28:28
  You are ahead of me in this. [laughs] Yes, I am. But I have, I am actually, like, blocking out money, dude- Oh... putting it in the budget. So we are- Good plan... going to Scotland. Scotland. Sounds good to me.
• 28:40
  All right. Uh, yeah, well, that kind of about wraps it up, doesn't it? [phone beeping] That's the end, the, and then- [laughs] Boing, boing.
• 28:50
  [laughs] Tinker Bell says, "It's time for this super drunk edition of the holiday- Rev... blah, blah to be over." It keeps beeping. [laughs] Ah, it's just Derek. Tinker Bell. [laughs] Derek b- bothering us with business.
• 29:04
  All right. All right, kids. Happy holidays. Oh, you know what? You know what? Today is the second day of the Festival of Light, Hanukkah. Oh, yeah. Happy Hanukkah- Happy Hanukkah... out there. Harmonica? Harmonica.
• 29:15
  Hanukkah. So- Hanukkah... does Surly support our site in some way? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Probably ought to thank them once again. Surly- Hey, thanks, guys. Yeah. Check them out at surlybikes.com.
• 29:25
  They said, they said they might call us someday again. What are they gonna call us? [laughs] They're gonna call us on our new spiffy call-in thing that, apparently if we're gonna do this, we should do that call-in.
• 29:35
  Probably starting next year again, huh? Hey, comment, if you listen to the show and you wanna call in and talk to us, write a comment and say, "I want to call in." I want to talk to Sven Uunt Gomez.
• 29:45
  All right, give us some feedback. I got a lot of things to say. [laughs] That's what I... All the grievances. The grievances will be aired. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like the apricots- [laughs]...
• 29:54
  that I was not able to get in until, once again, at the last second. Oh. [laughs] When we were talking about peaches before, too, yeah. I know. I dropped the ball. Pe- peaches and herb, man. [laughs] Peaches and herb.
• 30:05
  All right, kiddies, that about wraps it. See you next year. Yeah, next year. Yep. Although, you can still hear us for the other two- [laughs]... two weeks of this year. Eh, whatever. It's, noise.
• 30:18
  You can listen to us or don't, really. [laughs] Most of you don't. [upbeat music] But the ones that do, we love you. Yes, we love you. You've been listening to Fat Bike Radio's weekly dose of fat.
• 30:31
  Find us on the web at fat-bike.com/radio. We'll see you next time.
• 30:39
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