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18. (S1E18) Getting Back on Track with Deb Coviello · FINE is a 4-Letter Word

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Hello and welcome to Fine is a 4 lLtter Word. My guest today
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is Deb Covell. Welcome, Deb, I'm eager to hear what you have to
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say about your story. Well, Lori, just thank you so much for having
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me. I mean, we've been friends for a while and we have our
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story, so I am so looking forward to sharing my stories and hopefully
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it resonates with your audience, so thank you so much.
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Yeah, my pleasure. Let's get into it right away. The question I always
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ask, start out asking is what were the beliefs that were instilled in
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you as a child, and the reason I ask this question is because
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I wanna get some insight into what your foundation was
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that leads you to make the decisions or make the decisions you've made
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in the past up to this point... Well. Thank you for that question,
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and I've never been asked that question before. So it gave me an
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opportunity to think a little bit, and if we think about
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the years that I was starting to make my own decisions or look
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at others behaviors and expectations and formulating my own... It was very
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clear, and I think I'm grateful to my parents for this,
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that education, it was very important to heads down, get the grades,
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that was more important than anything, so that you could get the job,
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so you could make the money and be independent, and I was that
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way as well. But it was really about
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just Do the work, do the work, and get that status in society,
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and to a lesser extent, not so much in the arts or sports
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or anything, but just heads down, Study, get good grades because if you
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didn't, you'd get a tongue lashing so it was very clear that that
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was some of the foundational things that kind of set the path for
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them, how did I proceed through high school, college and thereafter
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a. A tongue lashing as in they were angry or they were disappointed?
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Or both? Both because you would feel emotionally
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disappointing, and then there were times of degradation
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and not words of encouragement, not like, Oh, it's okay, they weren't weak
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that way because sometimes... Oh, just try harder next time. I think early
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on, it's like, Okay, well, how can I improve? How can I meet
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your expectation? It was one of those things getting feedback, but then
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not getting guidance, and so that was kind of... I would probably say
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some of my origin story, well then gosh, darn it, I'm going to
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muscle through and figure it out, and yes, that builds strength of character
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and trying to figure out how am I going to get the better
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grades, get into the right schools to get those opportunities, etcetera.
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So again, it could have been generational, tap your foot, get the good
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grades, or else to... It would have been nice to have a little
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bit more guidance, but you know that along the way, I figured things
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out and I can help others. So a long story, but yeah.
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That's the truth. So I'm guessing you did not go into theater arts
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when you got to college? I did not because it wasn't practical and
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it wouldn't pay the bills again, or... My parents, I think,
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were from a generation of a post World War II, you needed to
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get certain kinds of work because you need to be independent and pay
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the bills, so for me, and again, it was maybe a little bit
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different for other siblings, it was not encouraged, you had to get
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the good grades to get the good job, etcetera. So while I was
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artistic, and this is a really interesting story as a child,
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I was very artistic, arts and crafts, singing, musical instruments, I could
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write, I could draw, they thought I was going into the arts because
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I was so good at that. And then something changed along the way,
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it's hard to put my finger on it, but then I switched over
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to being a STEM professional, and while I still did okay in the
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arts and language, in writing, etcetera, I started
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getting really good Math and Science for which then I studied engineering
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and moved in that direction, but never quite
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lost the desire for the arts and the creative aspect.
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Interesting, I wanna come back to that, but you mentioned your other siblings
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or brothers, sisters. My sister Beth, again, we are from the same parents,
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but we are slightly different though, it's very interesting. And if she
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listens to this, we do get along, we gibber jabbber about all kinds
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of things, because I think we're at a place in our lives where
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we appreciate each other's differences and how we've evolved, but she was
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perhaps a little bit more artistic and into the dance and music and
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sports, and for some reason, there was a difference in our upbringing,
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they supported her in those areas, that's where she was aspiring,
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and so we felt like we had different upbringings, different goals and expectations
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again... Yes, do well, but supported in different ways, so it was very
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interesting from a parenting perspective, we learned what to do, what not
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to do when it comes to my children and the next generation.
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But it was a little different for me.
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Truth. It is interesting how children can grow up in the same,
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essentially the same environment with the same parents and be so different,
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have such different outcomes as adults. And that's true. So fast forward,
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my husband and I know we're very different people, but to have strong
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similar values, we treated the two boys and one girl exactly the same
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way, same expectations, there was no like, Oh, poor baby, we'll dust you
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off and be on your way. Now, we had hard conversations,
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there were tears, there were deadlines and there were rules for all three
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of them. The reason I asked that question about your siblings,
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it was because I was curious if you were the only girl and
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the boys, that it was emphasized to not be fluffy because you were
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the only girl, but that's not what you do. Never mind,
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we were treated the same way when it came to hard knocks.
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It was a little bit tough, but the way they parent had felt
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a little bit different, but again, it is what it is,
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we've moved on were strong for what? We've become productive citizens and
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can't wait to share more of the story. Yeah, okay, so you went
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into the Engineering and then you pursued a career in that
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direction, and then you got to a point where... What happened?
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Well, I think I was pretty successful, worked really hard, had a very
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supportive husband, I started moving up in manufacturing in quality and
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operational excellence, from being an individual contributor, to being a
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manager, to being a vice president of a large corporation, and I will
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tell you, I had set out I wanted the big job,
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I wanted to have large influence, have a lot of responsibility,
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and I had that role and worked hard,
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and then got burned out, and then at the moment...
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I will say that during the last year before I... That organization,
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while I did have the dream job, and I grew so much,
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so much as an individual for which I've learned so many lessons and
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taking them forward, I don't regret anything, but I distinctly remember
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coming home one night to my husband and saying, Something's gotta change,
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I'm tired, I'm burned out, and I will say... And let's just talk
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about adult beverages, you can occasionally have a glass of wine or something
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once a month, once a week, but I will say even such things
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like that no longer were able to alleviate the stress of work.
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Something wasn't right, and I couldn't put my finger on it,
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but I did remember saying, something has to change.
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Did you think it was something that was wrong with you?
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Or did you think it was the environment? Or what did you think?
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I know you said you didn't really know what it was,
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but what were you feeling in your gut that it was...
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In my gut at the time, the environment,
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I couldn't keep up with it, I was still utilizing my same skills
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and the people around me, but the environment was just, I think so
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overwhelming, I could not... I no longer had the capacity or the answers
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to manage it, so there was stress and extra hours,
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but later... Upon reflection? Yes, the environment was challenging. I believe
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at that time, I didn't necessarily have all the skills necessary to either
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deal with it or maybe I had changed and I no longer could
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be in that environment, and I think that was probably the reason why
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it was no longer a fit that is really good reflection and insight
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that you had changed and that's what had fit before didn't fit any
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longer. And that's okay, we change. We're allowed to change. And I even,
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they use the terminology and entrepreneur, somebody that's trying out new
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things while in a corporate environment and I was trying out new things,
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like how I was going to lead... We were gonna do some fun
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stuff, we were gonna do marketing in an organization of technical professionals,
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and I would bring up those and they would say, Well,
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that's nice, but are you gonna still get me the results that you're
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supposed to get, or it wasn't mentored or coached or nourish,
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or you know, well, maybe not that idea, but how could we leverage
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your thoughts in another place, there was no room for thought,
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leadership and innovation. Just get the results. Let us know what you need
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to get the results. Very short sighted and it wasn't serving me anymore,
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I got the results, but my heart wasn't in it anymore,
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and I was probably starting to slide miss deadlines and not meet expectations,
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and that's what happened to me as a child. In fifth grade,
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I no longer was getting above straight As I was slipping until they
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had to change the environment for me to excel again.
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That's interesting that you saw that. You see that parallel.
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Yeah, I was a very bright kid. Talk at it. Very smart,
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just like you. And I actually started getting bored and my parents had
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put me in gifted and talented and stuff like that, but then it
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just got to the point where I just wasn't thriving. My grades were
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sliding, and so they changed the environment, skipped me a grade,
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and then I was finally challenged in an environment where I had to
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find new skills in order to get my grades up.
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And that was a good change for me.
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Same thing in my corporate life, I was in a situation,
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I just was no longer thriving. And so when I left,
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I was lost, but now I'm thriving. And there's so much in there.
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How long did you stay there? Knowing that this isn't really working for
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me. I think my period of uneasiness was about six months...
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From about an April to November time frame, I mean, I'd always worked
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hard, I worked long hours. I worked to the detriment of the family
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sometimes, so my husband, God bless him, I was very supportive,
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but then reflecting that I was still putting in the same hours in
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more hours and didn't feel like I was getting ahead, so I think...
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To your point of six months, I was realizing things were not fine,
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however, they probably were not fine for a longer period of time,
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I just didn't realize it. Right, because as we were talking about before
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we started recording, you just knows to the grindstone,
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keep doing the things, checking the boxes, and
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not acknowledging or allowing yourself to recognize that things were not
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fine. Yeah, and the other thing is, I have to take accountability for
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that, so I didn't see it, I didn't realize that maybe I wasn't
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open to it, nor were there anybody in my path, advocates,
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bosses, mentors that would even say, Hey Dad, let's talk...
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Where do you wanna go? What do you need to do?
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Nobody that asked me those questions to try to open up my mind,
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and mind you, I don't rely on my boss from my personal development,
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but it would have been nice along the way to can ask those
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questions, and so knowing what was not there to open my mind to
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ask the questions where things... Fine or not. I coach mentor people now
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in that same vein and ask them, Well, what excites you,
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what are your strengths, what would you rather be doing, where do you
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see yourself just asking those questions to ask people to just stop and
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think, versus do... And that's what we do, is we just do.
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Do and do. Yeah, so two points here, one, you can't beat yourself
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up because you did the best you could with the knowledge and the
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experience you had at the time, and then two, you've now taken that
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and turned it into something bigger and beneficial for others, because now
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you're taking what you didn't have and implementing it, I don't know,
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implementing isn't the right word, but passing along
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that what you wish you would have had
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to help others in their career... And it's the same thing that you've
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done, you've had a great career as well, but
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we get to this place where I've been there, I know how you
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feel either stuck or overwhelmed, and when we
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face somebody, we just meet at a networking opportunity or somebody may
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be a client or somebody we're coaching, we see something in those people,
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great potential, great drive, and we just see the face, we see fatigue,
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we see anguish, we see uncertainty, we see lack of confidence,
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but we start asking these questions and poking around and we see these
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people that to your point. And for your show, and I love your
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show, they're fine, but they really are it, and we, from an outside
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perspective, start poking around asking questions, and we see what their
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true potential is, and then they have to be willing and open to
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say, You know, I would like to try to think about doing something
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different. But it's hard, it's hard to get over that precipice and just
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having time and space and opportunity to say,
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Okay, I do wanna change or I do wanna change the environment,
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or I need some help. Yeah. Yeah, and I've often said that it's...
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Sometimes we need somebody else to see that spark or to see that
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potential or to have the belief in us before we can have it
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in ourselves, but. There's a caveat to that one as well.
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My husband always said to me, even before I left Corp said,
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Oh, Deb, you can be a plant manager. You could be a CEO
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and I was like, No, no, no. No, no, I don't wanna do
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that. That's too much responsibility. I don't have the skills, I can't do
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that. Gosh, golly, I'm now the founder of my own company at the
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CEO, learning about sales, marketing, budgeting, finance, business development,
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product development, etcetera, and now I'm dropping into other people's
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organizations and partnering with the CEOS and senior business leaders and
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help guide them to get back on track hence the name of my
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book. So people can give you all the advice in the world,
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you may have a mentor advocate, a person has to be ready to
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hear and receive what they say, and again, no fault of your own,
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but that you've gotta be ready to hear it.
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Exactly. Again, when the student is ready, the teacher appears. Exactly.
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So how many years? I'm 56. Now, I finally, at the age of
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52, started listening again and not being so stubborn, but then you get
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to a point in your life, and I don't know if it's a
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little spiritual or simply more self awareness, we slow down a little bit
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and you start looking around and people will say, Oh wow,
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that was a really great speech, or that good webinar you did,
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or, Wow. I really love your writing, and you say Who,
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me? Wow, I didn't realize you'd like that or I wrote that Well,
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you just have to take it, slow down a little bit and listen
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to what other people are saying to you where you see the green
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lights and not the red lights, start listening to those signs,
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'cause they actually may start pulling you to the work that you should
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be doing versus being fine. I love that. Again, it's to the point
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of sometimes other people see things in you that you're not able to
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see yourself, and once they start pointing them out, you start recognizing,
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Oh yeah, yeah. That is something I could do. And
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another thing you just said that is so important is
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recognizing the little things, because we often talk about
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what is my purpose or redefining my purpose of refining my purpose as
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it... It's gonna be a rainbow in front of your yard,
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saying, Here it is, at the end of this rainbow is your purpose,
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and sometimes finding what is important for you to do that may be
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defined as purpose is only found in taking those small steps,
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one at a time. Absolutely. Because if you think about like,
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Oh, I wanna be a professional speaker. Oh, I wanna be a professional
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coach... Oh, that's a lot of work. Oh, I don't know how to
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do it. I tell people, and I used to be a procrastinator when
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I didn't have a path forward, but I have learned to discipline the
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engineer and may set the expectation, set the road map. Where do you
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wanna get to? And then every day, what are you gonna do today?
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What are you gonna do tomorrow, next week, next month, and start moving
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forward, because then then when you look back a month, three months from
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now, you say, Oh wow, before I wasn't even writing my book...
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I'm half way done. You have to break it down to small pieces
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and just start moving forward, starting with, where do you wanna go to?
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What is fantastic look like? Exactly, and that's why so many people need
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a coach or someone who can help them, help them keep them accountable
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and help them set out those steps, so like we do in the
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find a fantastic program in the 12 weeks, we help define,
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Okay, what are you doing today, what are you doing next this week,
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and then what are you doing the week after that and
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leading along in little steps, and I'm pretty sure that's what you do
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with your clients as well, and I do. And just know it's an
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iterative process, because even though I have had some great mentors that
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have said, Dad, you're good at this, and I figured out who's my
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target client, but even now two and a half years into a new
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venture, I'm still not quite sure where I'm going, and so I'm actually
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gonna be pulling on two of my mentors and a new person that
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I just met that really wants to see me succeed, I'm going to
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be bringing them together and say, Okay guys, I can only see so
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much of the forest. What do you guys see? You're looking at Dev
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Covell here, you hear me speak, you see what I do?
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Why don't you say... Because I can only see so much even when
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you think you've arrived and things are doing well,
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be open to the fact of you may not still be there and
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get some external input, so I also, even if I coach others,
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I am leveraging the wisdom of others to see what I can't say.
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We have to, we have to... And growth is a constant,
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you never get there, wherever there is, there's always another there after
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that. It's growth. Or if you're not growing, you're dying. So
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growth is a constant. But I'll tell you one of the things...
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And just if I could just go back a little bit too,
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when I went from corporate to going into business for myself,
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I had doubts. Like, Oh, what do I know about business?
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So I know how to market myself, the first time I went out
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to network with somebody over lunch, I couldn't even spit out my 32nd
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elevator pitch, and I said, Wow, I'm never gonna let that happen again,
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but the guy was still very kind of just come on in and
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do a quote for me and we'll see what we can do.
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So I got my foot in the door for my first gig,
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but the thing that changed for me was, and I find with so
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many really awesome people is the belief in themselves.
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When I went to start my podcast, I met this person,
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Jennifer spar, who actually interviewed me on a podcast, and I was getting
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ready to record my first episode, and she says, What's holding you back
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from pushing the button and doing a solo? I said, it's just me.
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And I asked people that I mentor. Okay, so you don't think you're
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confident, you don't think you can talk to a senior executive,
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when did you own that narrative, when did you not believe in yourself,
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and if they can't even name the time place with a person that
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may have put the doubt in themselves, they actually have to say,
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You know what, it was me, I created the narrative. I owned that,
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do I own that perception that that person is so much higher than
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me, I can't have a conversation and make a proposal as soon as
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I got to that point of... When I left corporate and I said
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I'm going to go into business for myself. It was that belief,
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you know, I'm the only one holding myself back and it's only me
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that can succeed, so many people don't get that and don't trust themselves,
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but once you get over that... Oh wow.
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It becomes a roller coaster, but the possibilities become endless versus
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limitless. So I'm on a roller coaster right now.
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That's really what life is. That's been my experience and the experience
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of people I've talked to is... It's a roller coaster. Hang on,
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in fact, it's interesting that you just mentioned roller coaster because
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a few weeks ago, I happened to see on
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Facebook a video of my Uncle Murray's 90th birthday,
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and he was doing his speech on... 'cause it was a
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crowd. People, he was giving a speech because they wanted to hear from
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him. Of course, and looking back on his 90 years, he used that
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analogy of life has been a roller coaster, but
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what I don't really remember the lowers as much as I remember the
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highs, is like I just... He remembers the good parts, and I think
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that, yes, life is a roller coaster, but when you get to
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the end of it, now, I'm not saying he's at... But when you
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get to be in a, let's say, and you look back,
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the things you remember are the high points, the low points you might
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remember, but they're not what... Really stick in your mind. It's the higher
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points. Yeah, I mean, I've had low points. We all have,
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it's what life is. For me, they're still impactful, but I've
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not let them define me, it's taken a while.
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It's taken a while to not let them... To find me...
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To put him in a box and say, Okay, yes. That was an
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unfortunate event. But again, taking the high road, what did I learn from
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that? What can I control and move forward with? And what I do
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find is I get a little older and a little Grier,
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is valuing things like what brings you peace of mind, like just seeing...
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Again, if you happen to have a niece or nephew or a child,
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and when you see them step on a college campus and say,
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I got this... Okay, that's a peace of mind. You'll still worry about
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the people in your life, but when you see those highs,
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the top of the brother Coaster that, Okay, we're gonna go down the
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other side, but it's gonna be a little bit more fun and joyful
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versus scary. The first time you do go down on a roller coaster,
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so you get a little wiser and be more real, and I guess
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just take life a little bit less serious.
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Yeah, I like what you said about not letting the LOS define you.
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And it's hard. God again, God bless my husband, he's had to work
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with me a lot, he asked me a question the other day,
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'cause I was actually bothered by what somebody said or did to me,
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and he said, Why do you... Why do they matter?
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And when they asked me that question, Why do they matter?
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Then I have to ask myself, Well, no, they don't... They happen to
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be, I don't know this person in my life, but
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I'm not gonna let what they say take power from me,
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I own how I feel, as soon as he just kind of like
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Jolene with that statement. It was like, Okay, they are what they are,
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and I'm just not going to let them bother me, they don't matter
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so much. It's just, yeah, it takes that
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moment of clarity or that awareness or somebody asking you the question
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to make you aware, to make you evaluate is what I'm trying to
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say. Make you evaluate that situation. But I'll tell you right now,
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again, even today, I was having a little bit of a low only
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because there's so much going on in my life, but then when we
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pause and reflect like, okay, it's good. You've got a lot going on
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right now. If you didn't, something would be wrong, so then I say,
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Okay, things are fine, but I do have to say things are really,
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really, really fine right now, because now I've crossed over, I'm in my
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own business, I am doing what I want for me and for clients
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that I want to work with. Just today, I spoke to somebody who
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was referred to me and they want me to speak at one of
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their events, and so it's like, Okay, I have arrived, people are starting
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to see me, to know me and say, We want you to speak
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with our group. Because I have something that they might wanna hear.
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Okay, so I'm really in a great place. And
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to your point, in the work that you're doing, I do feel fantastic,
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may be a little bit less fantastic one day, a little more,
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another day, I'm kind of in between today, but you know what?
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I'm doing really well. Really fantastic. That's amazing. And that's life,
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that we can bend those highs and lows, but you're on this upward
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trend, as long as it's trending upward... Then you feel amazing.
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Yeah. Ups and downs going up. And you're seeing the pay off from
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the work that you've done to get to this point.
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True. And for people that haven't seen me in a couple of years,
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they look at me and they see me and they say,
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We can't believe how much you've changed, but I might
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challenge that. And again, I'm thrilled when people say, Oh my God,
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I see you, you look right, you sound great, all of that,
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but I'm saying to myself, maybe I didn't change, but I became the
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person that I was... Or meant to be,
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yes. I'm wondering if I was somebody, this person who was very talkative
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as a child, very creative, love to write, love to speak,
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led to share, and act and sing and all of that,
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and that it was not able to do that over the years,
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but now I'm becoming the person that I really love being,
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and I think people like me more for it 'cause I'm happier because
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of it. Right, because you're being your authentic self and that feels better,
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and people feel that energy and then want to be around that kind
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of energy. I love that. Before we close out, what song...
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So speaking of being in good energy, what song do you love to
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listen to that gets you hyped up when you need an extra boost
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or you're already feeling good and you want to
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revel in that? Well, I appreciate you asking that, and I had to
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write it down because I never remember the artist's last name,
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but there's an artist, vicar Marson, and he writes
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a song, Road to Victory, and it's epic music, so it just starts
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very low, very intentional, and then crescendo because you feel like you're
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walking up a hill about ready to go either into battle or to
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get out of stage, it is very, very uplifting, and every time I
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hear the song, I get a little sorrowful, a little sad,
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a little tearful. May be joyful, but it really, really propels me to
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say, Just keep going down, just keep going. Road to Victory by vigor
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Marson, an amazing song. Really motivates me. I love it. We're gonna put
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a link in the show notes to that.
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And before we go, how can people get in touch with you
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if they want to hear more about what you're doing?
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So. Just Lori, thank you so much for having a conversation with you
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and your audience, I'm grateful for it. In our friendship, there's a couple
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of places that you can find me. If you go to my website,
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drop in CEO dot com, that's D R O P I N C
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E O dot com, and on my cover page, we'll get an idea
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of what I'm about, I have a video, I'm also launching a book,
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The CEO's Compass, your guide to get back on track, there's a link
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there to get on the wait list for that. My playground is LinkedIn,
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so Deborah a Coviello, or look up the drop in CEO.
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I play a lot on LinkedIn, share videos, blog posts, and engaged with
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a lot of people, so those are the best places to find me,
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but drop in CEO, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube clubhouse, I'm all over the
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place. Yeah, okay, great. And we'll have links to that in the show
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notes as well. Thank you so much for joining me this week on.
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Fine is a 4 Letter Word. Thank you so much, Lori,
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it's been my pleasure.