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#100 - Bill Maher Goes Down into the MAGA Mine · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  So Bill Maher goes to dinner with Donald Trump, Kid Rock, and Dana White.
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  And this happened a couple weeks ago, March 31st.
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  But Bill Maher came out on Friday on his show and gave his account of what went down and how it was.
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  And it might surprise you. So I wanted to talk about this actually last week
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  when I first heard about the dinner that they had together. but I held off and
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  I'm glad I did because we got to see from Bill Maher.
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  He gave what he experienced in the whole dinner.
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  And it was very just to the point reporting the facts, not saying he's all MAGA.
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  He's not MAGA whatsoever, but he gave his position of what it felt like to sit
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  down with the man behind what we see on TV, Donald Trump.
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  My name is Brandon Fogle. This is evolution.
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  Let's dive into this. So it was, that is a very interesting scenario.
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  And this is something that I've always liked about Bill Maher because I've liked
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  Bill Maher for like a long time, maybe 20 years, however long,
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  whenever he was doing his first show, Politically Incorrect.
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  I like, I always liked Bill Maher. He's a comedian. He's funny.
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  He's at times vulgar.
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  He's, but what I've always liked about Bill Maher is he's to the point,
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  he says what he thinks no matter what political side people want to place him on.
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  He doesn't walk lockstep with anyone.
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  He's very individualistic, independent minded.
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  You could say he definitely leans left, but the left has gone so far to the
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  left in a lot of ways that a lot of people that used to be left-leaning and
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  Democrat are more centrist in a lot of ways now.
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  It was really eye-opening to hear what he said because he's not been a Trump supporter at all.
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  Trump actually sued Bill Maher, and they went back at each other back and forth
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  so many times in just this, the last eight years.
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  And he starts it off with his show and saying, This is all the,
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  he has like 60 epithets or 60 names that Donald Trump has called him.
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  He takes it to the White House.
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  He reads it in front of his show and he says, I'm not going to go through the
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  list, but he goes through them all.
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  And then he says, Donald Trump, he signs that list that Bill Maher gave him.
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  This is, I think it's a reminder that we don't have to be so on a team and so
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  just blinded that we are all real people. We all have real lives.
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  We all have real perspectives.
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  And it doesn't matter if somebody's on the other side of what position you were
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  on. We're still real people.
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  And I think this was an emblematic event that just shows that we can come together.
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  It's politics doesn't need to be something that we completely divide over and
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  we have to be so tribal in everything we do.
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  And I think Bill Maher, he shows that perfectly in his willingness to sit down.
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  He ends it all by saying in his sit down with Trump and talking about him going
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  back and forth with Donald and saying, you know, there are a lot of people that
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  did not want us to sit down together.
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  And both of them agreed that those are the people that we don't like.
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  We don't like when people say you cannot cross the aisle.
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  You have to be on your side, as opposed to we are all Americans.
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  We are all on the same side. No matter how much politics Washington wants to
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  shove down our throats and every day just make us seem like we're all so divided.
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  We have to hate whoever doesn't bleed our party line.
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  And so that's exactly why I love Bill Maher.
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  This is Bill talking about when they're walking through. So Kid Rock asks Bill,
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  he says, did any of the other presidents ever offer for you to come to the White
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  House, give you this opportunity just to come there?
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  Hillary, the Clintons, Obama, did they ever offer this to you?
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  And he's and he they did not. They never did. You know, and he makes it clear.
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  He says, I never felt I would not have felt as comfortable as I did with talking
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  to Donald Trump as I would have had I been talking to Barack Obama,
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  Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and all and all the Clintons, all that.
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  All the Clintons, because I think he saw behind the what people see on TV when
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  Donald Trump, he just seems like he seemed he definitely gives an aura and an impression of who he is.
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  And so they're walking through the White House and he's just not pulling anything.
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  He's just giving it all to the president and just saying what he thinks.
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  He doesn't hold anything back. He doesn't feel like he needs to hold anything back.
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  He just, it's like sitting down with somebody, sitting down and having a beer with somebody.
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  And even though Donald Trump doesn't drink a beer, but like, it felt like that.
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  He could actually just talk and they didn't have to like come at each other's throats.
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  They didn't have to be in a defensive posture. He could say to what,
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  and I think he went into it.
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  He didn't know what to expect. And he caught Trump, what he thought would have
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  been catching him off guard.
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  But we're going to see how Trump's reaction, even in talking about the 2020 election,
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  and he brings up how Trump reacted when he said the 2020 election,
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  and then Trump said he uses the word loss, which we have not heard Trump say.
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  But it must have been something with the 2020 election, because I know he used
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  the word lost, and I distinctly remember saying, wow, I never thought I'd hear you say that.
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  He didn't get mad he's much more self-aware than
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  he lets on in public look i get it
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  it doesn't matter who he is at a private dinner
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  with a comedian it matters who he is on the world stage i'm just taking as a
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  positive that this person exists because everything i've ever not liked about
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  him was i swear to god absent at least on this night with this guy bob kidrock
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  told me the night before,
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  he said, if you want to get a word in edgewise, you're going to have to cut
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  him off. He'll just go on. Not at all.
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  I've had so many conversations with prominent people who are much less connected.
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  People who don't look you in the eye.
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  People who don't really listen because they just want to get to their next thing.
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  People whose response to things you say just doesn't track like,
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  what? None of that with him.
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  And he mostly steered the conversation to, what do you think about this?
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  I know your mind is blown.
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  So is mine. All right. So there's a lot there, but he is just straightforward and honest.
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  He, I think he went in probably thinking, I got to be careful.
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  I mean, this, this is because all he knows is the guy that he sees out there.
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  He doesn't see an actual real person. And I think with Donald Trump,
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  we don't see a real person a lot of the times, but he is a real person.
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  And the impression he gives when he's out in the world stage and in front of
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  everybody, it is bombastic. It is in your face.
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  It is. You're going to punch me. I'm going to punch you 20 times harder.
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  I'm going to go at you. I'm going to destroy you. I'm going to do everything.
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  Whereas that's the impression that he gives out there in real life.
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  And it's calculated. It seems like it would have to be calculated.
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  And it made me think with anybody, I feel like in my own life,
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  if I put my guard down, sometimes if I get vulnerable, people will just come at you.
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  If they see that you're a real person, they'll use that against you.
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  And you're like, oh my gosh. And I think it's just been a lifetime of him being
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  in that kind of mental mindset that he is in.
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  He's been in business for years, 50 years, 40 years. I don't know exactly.
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  He's been like, been a realtor. He's been, he's all about the art of the deal.
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  He's all about getting his point across, getting his position across and getting
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  the best for whatever interest he has.
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  His own, the people that he, his shareholders, whatever it is.
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  He, it's a game to him. He, he's having the best time of his life doing nothing,
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  but right now getting ready to sit down and have trade deals with the rest of the world.
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  And for the United States, this is the best life that Donald Trump could ever live.
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  So with anybody out there, if you, if you're in that position,
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  I think you, he just gives that impression that he has to be a killer.
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  He has to be no awareness of anyone else's feelings and just,
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  he's all about him and pushing his agenda.
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  When you sit down with the real guy and we're seeing it from somebody that is
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  the opposite side of Donald Trump and the opposite side of what we would think
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  are MAGA right-leaning Republicans.
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  And he came away just a little bit.
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  I would say shocked. He came away shocked and just, that was not what I was expecting.
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  And I think he understands that the myth behind the man is that.
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  It's just a myth. He doesn't know why Trump acts the way he does when he's in
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  front of cameras, when he is going against the rest of the world,
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  when he's going against people who are coming at him with all these agendas
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  and all these things that are going to trip him up.
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  I think he's just developed some crazy thick skin that is hard for him when
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  he's in that kind of venue of the real life theater of the cameras on him all the time.
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  He just he doesn't know how to react, but to be somebody that just punches,
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  but to be somebody that just attacks.
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  He doesn't ever let his guard down. And I think that's all the impression that
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  we ever see about him. We don't see that there's an actual person there.
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  And he says, Bill Maher says, I went down into the mine of MAGA and the guy
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  who is running the show, who was in the white house is not a crazy guy,
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  is not a crazy guy that I thought was there, but it's still a guy who portrays
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  himself as a crazy guy out on the world stage. And he doesn't understand why he does that.
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  Bill Maher says, why did, you know, you're scaring people. Some of the things
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  that you're doing, you're scaring people.
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  Do you really want your citizens to be scared? And with all realness and vulnerability.
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  Bill Maher says, I don't remember what he said, but Donald Trump did not say,
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  I'm going to stop doing that.
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  There's things that, what he does in some, I guess it just depends on who you
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  are and how you're receiving it.
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  You might be a person that it's scaring you the things that he does,
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  or you might be a person that loves it.
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  I would say whether, whoever you are, we can come together. We can, like,
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  find out, at least from this person's account, Bill Maher, that the guy in the
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  White House is a real dude.
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  He's a real guy. And he has regular feelings like everyone.
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  And he's not the crazy guy that sometimes people paint him as.
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  So this was, whenever I first heard about them sitting down,
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  I thought it was just incredible because Bill Maher, him just to do this,
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  because he would have got a lot of blowback from a lot of people.
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  And it doesn't, I just think it should serve as a benchmark to our culture and
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  to America of we need to come together.
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  We can't be at each other's throats. We are all real people.
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  Whether somebody disagrees wholeheartedly with you and you don't agree at all
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  with somebody else, they're a real person on that other side that we're talking about.
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  We can talk through issues and we don't need to just be in a posture that is
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  completely, I'm going to kill you if you come at me.
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  We don't need to be in a defensive mode every time, all the time, like 100 times a day.
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  That's all we live is just defensiveness.
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  If somebody says something that goes against my political side,
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  let's pull down those stupid sides. Let's come to the...
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  The realization that ideas matter, ideas matter.
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  And it doesn't matter if your side has the good idea or the other side, ideas matter.
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  I mean, I always feel like that the why we have red versus blue,
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  the founders, I've heard that I've heard things that they were not all into
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  that and why we set up this whole structure.
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  I think it's silly because all it does is within our regular lives,
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  it puts us against each other as opposed to just let's come at it with independent
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  thought ideas. Let the best ideas win.
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  Bill Maher is a picturesque, perfect example of this. You might not like him.
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  I like him a whole lot. And it's specifically about the way that he is about
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  this. You know, he he goes against religion a lot of ways.
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  He makes fun of religion, but he's an equal opportunity religion antagonist.
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  He goes against them all.
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  And people that are that hate on Christianity.
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  He hates on Christianity, but those same people are scared to hate on Islam
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  or any of the other religions that you cannot touch.
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  He goes at them all. He's equal about that. So you can disagree with that.
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  You could not like that, you know, but at least I've always appreciated that he's real,
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  that he's real with what he thinks, real with what he believes,
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  because so many people, if you don't like the whole God thing,
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  if you don't like, and you don't believe in all that, don't hide it.
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  Just be, everybody, be who you are.
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  You don't have to be obnoxious about everything, but just be who you are.
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  And I appreciate that so much more than somebody that just conceals it and hides
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  it and doesn't let it overflow into what they really think and believe.
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  And show the rest of the world what they got going on behind closed doors.
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  So let me know what you think. I really, if you got the same kind of vibe that
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  I got from this, let me know. But if you didn't, let me know as well.
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  So, all right, we'll leave it at that.