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Ryan Truesdell: The Chapel Fire · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to the Black Shoot Podcast. Once again, we
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  Speaker 1: have we have an interesting guest. Maybe you've seen him
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  Speaker 1: on the interwebs here in recent days. He's he's kind
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  Speaker 1: of popping off and in our circles, maybe in your
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  Speaker 1: circles as well. This is Chapel Fire.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Howdy howdy, tell us about yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Man, what do you what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: What? What?
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  Speaker 1: Where are you at? What kind of things you up
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  Speaker 1: to right now?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm currently up to working on a new EP,
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  Speaker 2: like two songs deep into that, but to take a
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  Speaker 2: step back and kind of see like who I am
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  Speaker 2: and where I'm at. I started doing music as the
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  Speaker 2: Chapel Fire about years ago. With doing like I just
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  Speaker 2: decided one day I was like, you know what, I
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  Speaker 2: want to make music, So I'm going to start making music.
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  Speaker 2: I have all their equipment, I might as well just
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  Speaker 2: do it. So I made I made my first record,
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  Speaker 2: which is actually still on Spotify, Slow Hit and Drive,
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  Speaker 2: and it's it's very like it's like Rush but bad productions.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like it's prog rocky ripoff stuff. But it
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  Speaker 2: was really fun and I love doing it. And so
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  Speaker 2: the sound just developed and developed and developed and I
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  Speaker 2: had to do everything myself because I don't really have
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  Speaker 2: any like in a scene or any like neighbors or
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  Speaker 2: like anything. So I'm just kind of here by myself,
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  Speaker 2: figuring my shit out and like in music, and it
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  Speaker 2: somehow evolved into the sound that you hear now, and.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah. What I love the most about it is
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  Speaker 1: that you really have explored those whole kind of swath
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  Speaker 1: of genres.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I've I've been all over the place, and
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  Speaker 2: especially my older stuff, there's a lot of like there's
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  Speaker 2: like Latin stuff in there. There's there's there's the heavy stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but then there's there's blues, jazz, fusion, there's country, there's
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  Speaker 2: like all kinds of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, hell yeah. And I love that. I mean
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  Speaker 1: because I think most of our listeners are not just
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  Speaker 1: into the the alternative or metal kind of sphere. I
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  Speaker 1: think I think we had to listen a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of everything, and I certainly do it. I think it
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  Speaker 1: shows a pretty strong sense of musicianship because I I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I've I played guitar, I played drums, I sing,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm not good enough to be to do what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing. And I'm very curious, you know, where did
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  Speaker 1: you get your start?
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  Speaker 2: Where?
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  Speaker 1: How did you get into music? How did you pick
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  Speaker 1: up all these instruments and and learn all these different
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  Speaker 1: modes of singing and and everything, and it's and it
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  Speaker 1: is really really impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would like to thank you, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: that's very kind of you. I'm very specialized, Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: good at what I do, but what I do is
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  Speaker 2: very specialized. So like I wouldn't I wouldn't expect to
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  Speaker 2: sit down with like real musicians and be able to
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  Speaker 2: like jam through a chart or something like. I just can't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't do that anymore. So what I do is
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  Speaker 2: very specialized, and it came out of necessity almost entirely.
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  Speaker 2: I started, well, my let's start from the beginning, right
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  Speaker 2: My uh, my mother played piano in church and she
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  Speaker 2: she plays hymns like a motherfucker. And my father was
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  Speaker 2: just really into music, like prog rock. He was he
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  Speaker 2: was a prog rock nerd those guys. So he was
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  Speaker 2: like really into like all kinds of stuff and southern rock.
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  Speaker 2: And I just got into too everything from there, so
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  Speaker 2: I was I was a pretty big music fan from
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  Speaker 2: the get go. Then I did piano in school. We
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  Speaker 2: were doing piano lessons as part of music class, and
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  Speaker 2: I really took to it, like, I really enjoyed it
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  Speaker 2: quite a bit, and so I pursued it with the
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  Speaker 2: teacher and I took piano lessons for a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but then it became not fun at all, with more
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  Speaker 2: mature until I got a bass for Christmas one year. Coincidentally,
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  Speaker 2: it was the year I got my father a Rush
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  Speaker 2: CD and the first song on it is speared of
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  Speaker 2: the radio, and so I heard that the Christmas I
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  Speaker 2: got my bass, and so I was just I was gone,
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  Speaker 2: Like I didn't put it down for three months.
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  Speaker 1: Were you just all getty lee all that time?
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  Speaker 2: Then I well, I because it was the first time
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  Speaker 2: I'd heard that, So it was I didn't know music
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  Speaker 2: could be that way, So it was it was a
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  Speaker 2: real eye opening kind of thing, and it was it
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  Speaker 2: gave me something to strive for, which I mean, every
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  Speaker 2: one who plays strives for Rush. No one, no one's
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  Speaker 2: gonna get it, but.
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  Speaker 3: You have a pretty good invitation at times, especially with
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  Speaker 3: your bass tone.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's all in the hands too. It's just
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  Speaker 2: I hit really hard, so it gives it that slappy,
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  Speaker 2: that party kind of tone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wounded up said party. I would have said
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  Speaker 1: twinkly or maybe jag it, but yeah, party, I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah's actually well kind of thing going on. But uh
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  Speaker 2: so I got the bass and then and then I
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  Speaker 2: wound up like playing all the lead guitar parts on
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  Speaker 2: my bass and like I actually tried to tune it
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  Speaker 2: up one time and wound up snapping a bass string
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  Speaker 2: because I was like fifteen years old and like had
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  Speaker 2: no idea what I was doing. So I got a guitar,
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  Speaker 2: saved up, got a guitar, and that would I just
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  Speaker 2: have lived and breathed and eaten and slept and done
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  Speaker 2: that since I mean not entirely I did. I did
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  Speaker 2: spend a lot of time working in a club, and
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of like at that end of the
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  Speaker 2: music industry, so I didn't really play incredibly much. But
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  Speaker 2: as soon as I started Chapel Fire, it was just
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  Speaker 2: like the music's just fallen out of me. I can't stop.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I drove you to want to explore
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  Speaker 1: these different genres than you have.
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  Speaker 2: It is just my sensibility of how I listen to music,
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  Speaker 2: Like I don't think of genre, like like genre is
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  Speaker 2: only good inso much as you're playing with other people.
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  Speaker 2: Where to go with it? I guess sure? Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 2: like metal implies a certain certain idioms, certain sounds, certain textures,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like bluegrass will imply certain certain instrumentation and
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  Speaker 2: texture and tone and whatnot. But at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, it's all just vibration, right, Like, it's all sure,
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  Speaker 2: It's all just this vibrating thing that we live in,
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  Speaker 2: you know, from the vibration.
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  Speaker 1: Sounds a little nihilistic so far.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well you can look at it that way, certainly,
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  Speaker 2: and you can get lost in that. You can get
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  Speaker 2: lost in that if you want. But but what good
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  Speaker 2: does that do anyone? Really?
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  Speaker 1: No, that's true, That's very very true. So growing up
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  Speaker 1: upstate New York, look in the way you do, I'm
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  Speaker 1: you know, tattoos, different color hair, I'm sure that.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure that you get some looks.
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  Speaker 1: That is that the case?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there's been a lot of movement from the city
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  Speaker 2: up here, so I think a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people, especially locals, kind of look at me like
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  Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to be here, and I'm like, fuck you, you
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  Speaker 2: moved here after I did, like like I've been here
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  Speaker 2: my whole life. Like I just I've always done me,
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  Speaker 2: Like I've always pursued what I wanted to and done
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  Speaker 2: what I've wanted to. And I've been lucky enough that
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  Speaker 2: I've been able to do that and been in a
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  Speaker 2: situation where I've been able to know. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely and my like I grew up Baptist like
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  Speaker 2: church going God here and Bible reading. Yeah, and uh,
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  Speaker 2: obviously that so you grew.
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  Speaker 1: Up that you grew up that way and.
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  Speaker 2: You said it did take is that he said, no,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: How does that? How has that informed your life? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Do you do? You would back on that with like
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  Speaker 1: disdain or you like, yay, you know what, it was
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  Speaker 1: an upbringing that is not too uncommon for the area,
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  Speaker 1: and it is what it is? Or or what what?
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  Speaker 1: What is it for you? Well?
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  Speaker 2: This it's it's really interesting because it's been my entire
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  Speaker 2: life's journey, Like losing my faith and rediscovering myself as
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  Speaker 2: a spiritual being has been like the ultimate journey of
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  Speaker 2: my life really and yeah, I looked back on it
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  Speaker 2: with absolute disdain, and sometimes I still do, like there
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  Speaker 2: are some things that happened to me that definitely shouldn't have,
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  Speaker 2: but you can't, like, you can't hate the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: made you. Right, if you love yourself, you can't hate
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  Speaker 2: the stuff that made you. So Like now I look
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  Speaker 2: back on it like I sing gospel now, like I'm
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  Speaker 2: fond of There was a certain ethos, there was a
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  Speaker 2: certain community, There was a certain at least I got
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  Speaker 2: the impression that it was about the mercy and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and the forgiveness and the compassion. And I
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  Speaker 2: still cling to that, Like I still love the teachings
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  Speaker 2: of Christ for the most part, Like He's said some
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  Speaker 2: really good stuff that everyone should really be in tuned to.
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  Speaker 2: But I also love the Gautama Buddha. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: said some great stuff too. I think that I don't
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  Speaker 2: think the two are mutually exclusive.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to agree with you as well, And
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  Speaker 1: I think I think that there is a little too
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  Speaker 1: much of that exclusivity going on in the world.
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  Speaker 3: But I love that, you know, living in America, uh,
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  Speaker 3: especially rural American.
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  Speaker 1: Where you're at, Yeah, I think you know, if you're
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  Speaker 1: for at New York, people tend to think that there
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  Speaker 1: is no such thing as rural New York, but there
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  Speaker 1: definitely is.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there is due yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, so I'm from South Dakota, so I know rural.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, of course, but people around.
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  Speaker 1: Me would be like New York, there's no such thing
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  Speaker 1: as world. I think that there's there's this beauty in this,
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  Speaker 1: in this feeling that hey, you can kind of choose
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  Speaker 1: your own path. And I know this sounds like very
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  Speaker 1: patriotic and like hohorah kind of shit, but like it's
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  Speaker 1: it is true, and and I think individuals such as
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  Speaker 1: yourself really push that to the next level because you know,
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  Speaker 1: you probably are a little bit of an odd duck.
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  Speaker 2: In your community, right, I would say I did that
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  Speaker 2: in spite of American culture.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hell yeah, because now you're just falling red.
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  Speaker 1: You're falling right into what American culture actually wants. They
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  Speaker 1: want the odd ducks to come forward and.
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  Speaker 2: To really shine, absolutely, and for what reason, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Well profit, No, ideally in their minds, it's all profit.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, well as long as you got the
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  Speaker 1: bootstraps theory gone as well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I just as I'm just gonna do
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  Speaker 2: it on my terms, Like if I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: do something, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Not Yeah, no, it makes that's perfect sense. So you
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  Speaker 1: said that, like playing with bands and things like that
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  Speaker 1: is not your forte playing solo have you found that
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  Speaker 1: to be a freeing situation where you're just like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have to talk with anyone else's thoughts or
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  Speaker 1: feelings here. I can just do me. Or would you
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  Speaker 1: ever would you ever want to plan in a group?
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  Speaker 2: I would absolutely love to work with absolutely, but not
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  Speaker 2: with the Chapel Fon the Chapel Fire, that's your baby.
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  Speaker 2: I like being able to do exactly what I want
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  Speaker 2: with it always, And like, like if I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: release the two new songs I have right now, I
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  Speaker 2: could just boom, just put them right out and not
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  Speaker 2: have to talk to not have to worry about to
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  Speaker 2: do any advertise, you know what I mean? Like I
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  Speaker 2: can do whatever I want and that's cool. But and
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  Speaker 2: I think it's also great because it's taught me discipline,
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  Speaker 2: because when you can do whatever you want, then you
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  Speaker 2: wind up doing crazy shit or like nothing. And so
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  Speaker 2: I've had to develop a certain degree of discipline to
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  Speaker 2: actually get my stuff backaged and produced and out there.
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  Speaker 2: But I would absolutely love to work with people. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that if I found like a producer who
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  Speaker 2: was like on their shit. I think if I were
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  Speaker 2: to team up with someone like that, it would be
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  Speaker 2: it would be over, Like from pop hits to like
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  Speaker 2: the heaviest, most ridiculous ignorant shit, like, it'll be over
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  Speaker 2: if I if I had a partner to fill in
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  Speaker 2: all the gaps, I think it would would be some
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  Speaker 2: special But.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, so why haven't you done it.
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  Speaker 2: In the process? Right, Like, Yeah, I'll get there eventually,
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  Speaker 2: I just haven't found it yet.
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  Speaker 1: Sure you are you looking actively for like that that
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  Speaker 1: perfect partner that can make that happen or is it
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  Speaker 1: something that you're just like, Hey, if it falls my lap,
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  Speaker 1: if ills.
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  Speaker 2: My lap, the way to make God laugh is to
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  Speaker 2: make a plan. Brother, so I stopped making them.
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  Speaker 1: Man, look at you. You are a Baptist.
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  Speaker 2: That's one of my favorites though. But yeah, you just
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  Speaker 2: you just work hard and take every opportunity that's afforded
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  Speaker 2: you and just be nice to people. And that has
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  Speaker 2: worked out pretty well for me. Like it's not like
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  Speaker 2: I'm I feel like I'm successful personally because I get
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  Speaker 2: to like work a job I don't hate, come home,
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  Speaker 2: make music I love, and like talk to cool people
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  Speaker 2: all the time, like on the internet. Yeah, that's cool
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  Speaker 2: for me. Like, I'm I'm healthy, I'm sober. I have
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  Speaker 2: like a nice roof over my head currently, thank you Grandma.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's it's it's I'm blessed. I'm very blessed, and
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  Speaker 2: I I try to pay that forward.
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  Speaker 1: Love it, love it. What do you do? What do
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  Speaker 1: you do on some out of music?
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  Speaker 2: I'm a TA for special needs kids.
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  Speaker 1: Very nice. I used to do that as well, did you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a teacher now you're teachers. Used to be a
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  Speaker 1: para professional. Oh yeah, I loved doing that stuff. What
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  Speaker 1: do you what do you teach? High school social studies?
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  Speaker 2: High school social studies? Good on you, brother, that's got
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  Speaker 2: to be a really tricky thing.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's not. It's not people think it is. No,
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  Speaker 1: you just so, so here's my thoughts on it. Right,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta just be you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, you can't be biased, you can't do
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  Speaker 1: this or any other thing. I'm like, no, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna tell them what I think, but
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  Speaker 1: I'm mostly gonna say like, you're not have to believe this,
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  Speaker 1: and honestly you probably shouldn't in certain cases.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's exactly what I do. I I prime
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  Speaker 2: them with I am biased. Here are my biases, this
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  Speaker 2: is what I think. Here's the information. You decide.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so much more honest.
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  Speaker 2: It is, And like I was thinking about it today, actually,
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  Speaker 2: how everyone's like your students shouldn't know your politics like bullshit,
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  Speaker 2: and that's only aimed at people with left leaning politics.
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  Speaker 2: No one cares if you spread jingoist bullshit. No one
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  Speaker 2: cares about that.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that true? Though? It's so true?
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, I digress.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, Hey, good on you. I'm glad that you.
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  Speaker 2: Someone's got to do it right. These kids need it
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  Speaker 2: right and it's not their fault, like they deserve an
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  Speaker 2: equal shot like everyone else.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, yeah, and we could go on a whole
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  Speaker 3: nother tangent there.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, But what's uh, let's stick.
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  Speaker 3: With music for a little bit. Is there is there
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  Speaker 3: a genre of music that.
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  Speaker 1: You are maybe interested in, not maybe not genre, but
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  Speaker 1: maybe a style of music you're interested in exploring.
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  Speaker 2: Next, Oh, I'm just bluegrass is like my thing, like
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  Speaker 2: I am, It's my favorite genre of music. I love it,
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  Speaker 2: has it always has it always been, I've always liked it.
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  Speaker 2: But I think the authenticity and well, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: the just the skill required, the skill, the soul like
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  Speaker 2: it's it's authentic, it's real, it's powerful, and it's like
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  Speaker 2: and it harkens back to like like I live up
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  Speaker 2: in the mountains, so I kind of get that vibe
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  Speaker 2: of like the mountain music thing. And I grew up
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  Speaker 2: in an Irish town and so I get a lot
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  Speaker 2: of influence of that. Like like I Irish Arts Week
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  Speaker 2: every week I was hanging out with with the fiddle
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  Speaker 2: players and stuff, you know, So that was but bluegrass
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  Speaker 2: is is huge for me. I really love it.
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  Speaker 1: So are you what would be considered the Catskills or
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  Speaker 1: is that okay? Awesome? Awesome? Yeah, that has its own
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  Speaker 1: it's all miss and lore to it, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what is one of the oldest forests in the world?
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  Speaker 2: Is the next town over?
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  Speaker 1: Like how do they determine that? Like is it just
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  Speaker 1: radio carbon data or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: I do? I I'm not sure because it was a
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  Speaker 2: long time ago that I read this article, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's in the town over and it's like millions and
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  Speaker 2: millions and millions of years old, which is which is
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  Speaker 2: that's crazy? Because that's so we're like we're in some
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  Speaker 2: like this is the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, and
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's it is some like there's some spiritual
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  Speaker 2: stuff going on here for sure, Like oh yeah, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just remember all of like the American folklore
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  Speaker 1: that you grew up with, sleepy hollow and uh rich hollow,
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  Speaker 1: rubble still skip Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm meant to say,
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  Speaker 1: rip benwigal yeah yeah, rum still skin.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: That's that's what he was stealing babies or something.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that. Oh man, I now I'm curious,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like what did you learn growing up?
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: What what kind of stuff? What what like kind of
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: like regional stuff did you learn? We learned we learned
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a lot that has to have to do something with
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: like bluegrass and stuff, right.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Not so much. We learned a lot about the hood
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: in Saani and like the Three Sisters and oh yeah stuff,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: well enough enough to pass the exams, but not enough
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: to know that we like absolutely slaughtered them, right right,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: But yeah, so stuff like that. And then I wish
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: we would have learned a little bit more about the
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Hudson River School of Art because there's like Thomas Cole's
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: house is right the two towns over. Olana is in Hudson,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: like right across the river, and they're both. I mean,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan of Hudson River School art. Like, yeah,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: it's because it's inspired by the stuff that I look
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: at every day, so grand it's like, yeah, this this
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: human perspective, this deification of this, this landscape, it's kind
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: of this art is the deification of existence.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right man. All right, well you've had
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you've had so many of these wonderful little video clips
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: they're putting out. Are you on TikTok as well?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I am on TikTok?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Is that is that where most of them are popping off?
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: Surprisingly, not so much anymore TikTok TikTok since it since
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: it went away and came back? Is just be sure sure,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: like you got.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Is it mostly? Is it? Is it mostly on Instagram now? Then?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Instagram has been the most traffic for sure. Like, man,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: my likes are my followers are count as higher, the
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: interactions are better. Also, I don't like on TikTok you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: can only post up to a minute of solid music. Yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: but on Instagram you can do a minute thirty and
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: it seems like all my parts when I try to
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: film them, it's just a little over a minute, so.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: You have to cut out like the best parts.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have to trim it, so it's not
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: exactly how I'd want to present it. Blah blah blah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: So it's not ideal. TikTok is cool. I used to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: like TikTok a lot more. Now it's just Instagram is
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: getting more traffic.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Are you finding it to be a good way for
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: people to find your music?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: I guess I've always wondered if I've always wandered.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: This translates right, like you know you have like the
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: ten Second Songs guy on YouTube and the mclauckey guy
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: on YouTube and all those guys that put out some
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: really really talented stuff, But I don't know if I've
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: ever actually listened to their music. But yours I did.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Yours actually did go up there and I did go
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: actually check it out, and I do love it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I really do appreciate that. And
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: it is hard to get people to kind of make
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the jump over to like you have to spoon feed
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: shit to people. And I get it because I'm the
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: same way. Like if somebody's like, listen to this band.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, okay, send me a link right now so
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I can click it or else I'm not going Yeah. Yeah, Well,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I know my my new EP that had like a
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: ridiculous amount of plays in like a very short amount
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: of time, Like it was saying I had like seven
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: thousand monthly listeners or something like that, and that was
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: up from twow that was up from like twenty something.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: So so you have seen some.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: New traffic and stuff. That's good. Yeah, So sure, plan
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: is I assume to like keep going down that route
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and keep exploring these Yeah, you know, I'm just doing
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: doing fun stuff these. Oh first of all, I gotta
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: ask what made you want to do the strange camera
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: angle with most of you?
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, That's that's was actually happenstance too.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: One year for Christmas. One year for Christmas, my folks
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: got me a go pro and I'm like, thank you
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: very much. This is a lovely gift, probably expensive gift.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: But I don't do downhill skiing, like I don't do BMX,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Like what am I gonna do with this? Then I
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: found the infamous string dusters actually used to post concert
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: forge with GoPros click to their instruments and I'm like, huh,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I'll try that, and that was that was it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, so let's just clipped your It's it's a goose
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: neck like I have it right here.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: At It's a goose neck clamp mount in the GoPro
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: right there, and you can clip it right on the
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: end of your guitar and go with it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I never realized that it looks so much more art seeing,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, it's maybe well thought out that well.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I I played with the angles quite a bit, like
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: it was definitely like it took time to get to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: where it is now.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I love it. Yeah, it feels like you
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: have absolutely no what's the word I'm looking for, no fear,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you feel that.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Or do you do you project it? Maybe at the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: very least because when you are playing on those videos,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: especially because you know that's the only like live kind
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of situation I've seen you in. I mean, you just
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: look like you're after it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm fighting for my life, dude. Like those parts explained,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Those parts are hard, dude, like trying to do all
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: that shit together. And then like the scene is very,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: very physical. So it's like I am sweating, like in
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: the in the Beast of my design one that I did,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: like you can see me drenched, like just and it's
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: in my eyes like I'm trying to scream and like
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I'm squinting because the sweats in my eyes, Like yeah,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I'm fighting for my life and it so I don't
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: realize what I do. Like there's this one dude who
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: loves to point out that I do a ppe dance
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and now everyone's gonna see it and everyone's gonna think
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: But like my legs like like yeah, yeah, you gotta
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: explain the pepe.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: I like march when I like, I don't know why.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I don't even feel that I'm doing it. I can't
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: because I'm too busy doing this stuff. But uh, yeah
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: I do like a little march or like move around
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: when I when I'm playing, I don't realize I'm doing it,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: or like any of my facial expressions, I don't. I
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: have no idea what's going on. I'm just focusing on
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the me music.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So if I look like I'm locked in, I really
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: am locked in.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Well it definitely looks that you're locked in. You know
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: what I really think it is, though, is I think
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's your I think it's your Baptist roots that are
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: that are coming forth, or maybe it's the Three Sisters
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: that are that are.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: It's it's definitely the support of the three sisters for sure.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: It's the it's all the protein from the beans.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Now we just got to get a wide, wide,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: wide angle.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: Lens so we can have Hudson School of Art as well.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, that'd be sick. They actually have at the
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Wadsworth in Hertford, Connecticut. They have a really great exhibit
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of of Hudson HW School. They have like a forty
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: foot Thomas cool. It's not that big, but it's really huge.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: It's really nice. So if you ever get a chance
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to go to Hartford, go to the Wadsworth Adenium.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I will definitely do that if I'm ever there.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I do love that area of the country.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, No, you'll have to like slap that thing
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: up on a drone or something like that and play.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've super supersumed. I've got some plans, some some
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: cool stuff's gonna happen at some point.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: So killer.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: My sister has a drums.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: It's a it's a brilliant move. It's a brilliant move
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: for sure.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Man. I I'm very, very curious as to how you like.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: The music that you must have listened to growing up
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: has definitely informed you now. Right, so you talked about Rush.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I definitely definitely heard Rush right away. Uh wait. I
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: think one of the very first songs I looked at
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: after I looked you up was I'll forget the name
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of it. It was one of your earlier ones, and
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it sounded I was like, dude, this sounds like Rush.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I'm a big Rush fan. Who isn't. Yeah, But then
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know you've got a lot of the covers and
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: stuff like that as well. That were the first shared
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to me. And I'm like, Okay, this guy listens to
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: good music.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I'll say about myself.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can. You can definitely be boastful about it.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I listened to the best music, han't sound.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's only the music that that is the best.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: I listened to the good stuff. There's what a dude,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the Duke Ellington said, it's there's good stuff and there's
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the other stuff. Yeah, there's too much of a statesman
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: to tell it like it is. Yeah, because yeah, there's
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: definitely bad music, like most of the stuff you listened
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: to for sure day is going to be really bad.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: But like you can learn stuff from that too.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, you're kind of in a in like this
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: like in between world right where you're you know, you're
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: not Christian anymore, but you have some of these these
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: tunes from you know, mid two thousands that have you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Christian overtones or Christian undertones the very least, right, So
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: is that music that you're still into.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I was never really into the Christian thing. In fact,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: I think that kind of repelled me at the age
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: when I was listening to that music. Sure, maybe not
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: repair old me, but I definitely was like hat losers
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: at the time. I yeah, I personally, I just it's
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: just so inextricably tied to who I am that like
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: it comes out and I like, I like the mythology,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: I like the message. Obviously we talked about Jesus like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I like a lot of that stuff. But yeah, Christianity
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: is like it's like everything else. I take the good
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: parts from it and save that and leave the rest,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Like could care less good a.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Call, couldn't care less? Yes, grammatically correct? That is a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: ta right there? Like it?
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: It's good, yep yep, fastened along?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Well, awesome. You're are you? Are you classically trained in anyway?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. I took well the piano lessons
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I took where I suppose classical. I studied jazz for
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, when you say when you say studied.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: It, like you mean I went to Actually I went
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to school for for jazz, and I studied with a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: dude for about a year, and then I auditioned, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: then I went to school for about a year and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: then I life happened and I wound up dropping out.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I wasn't taking out loans for art school, and I
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: got a promotion, so I was like, yeah, I'm gonna
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: do that. Probably because and I'm not a jazzer either,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Like I could not. I didn't know the repertoire, so
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I just couldn't keep up.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be extremely difficult without like the first education.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the first ensemble I walked into, they were like,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: all right, take the A train B flat. Yeah, and
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: they all just started playing and I'm like, oh shit,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I've never even heard this song.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yeah, so it was that sounds that
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: sounds like my biggest fear in the entire world.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Music school was absolutely humbling, humbling.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but none of them probably have.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: You know, sixteen than point one followers.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, they probably don't have the following
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: that you do.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Now, So who's laughing?
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Now, who's laughing? Man? They can still play better than me,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But I'm laughing.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I'm humbling all the way though, right.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, god, I've I can play a good tune
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: by myself, but man, if you put me in front
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: of like people who know what they're doing, yeah, I
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: will completely freeze up people. You know you experienced that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually Have you ever heard of Grant Gordy
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: He played with David Grisman. Okay, well he's an awesome guy.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Everyone look up Grant Gordy. He's a jazz guitarist, played
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: with David Grisman. Phenomenal, phenomenal player. But I was talking
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to him in the green room one time when I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: was when I was working at the club, and he
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: let me play his triple zero I think it was
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: his triple zero, and and I was I was playing
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: this beautiful Martin guitar right in front of him. I
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: just like fumbled. I just totally fumbled the bag and
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I was like sorry, dude, and he's like, no, no,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: you're all right, you're right. He's the nicest guy. He's
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the nicest guy. But like I could not play his
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: guitar in front of him.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It's it's so it's so terrifying.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: When it's like it's like if you're someone who's like
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: an armchair intellectual, yes, and you meet someone who's like
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: a true I'm true.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: It's just like mensa like chess playing motherfucker.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: Like yeah, yeah, you're like what the fuck am I
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: even doing?
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: They're talking and they're just talking around me, like I
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: can't I can't even.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: It's it's literally like Dunning Kruger effects, Yeah all the way.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: You're just like I really don't know what I don't
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: know yet.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: That's it. That's exactly it. And it's like that's I'm
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: kind of nervous about the playing live thing because like
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I at this point in my life, I kind of
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: have trouble make short term memory, so like memorizing my
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: songs and like getting like it takes me like a
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: couple of days of like sleep to actually get my
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: stuff down.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Sure, so well, not to mention, you've got some insane
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: rhythms and something like that too, like the rhythms that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I think I think your typical jazz artists would be quite.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: Challenged with playing.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that A lot of it's very angular and jarring,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: for sure, or just like I use a lot of tuplets, sure,
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of tuplets. Yeah, yeah, rhythm Rhythm has always
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: been something I've always utilized rhythmic elements to their fullest capacity.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I think, like I've always done that and one of
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: the biggest things in heavy music, and I think the
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: thing that a lot of prog metal gets wrong is
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: it's gotta you gotta feel it like you got a groove.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Like it's what's really heavy is a good groove. That's
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: why My Sugar, why My Sugar is the best, because
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it's all groove. Like. Yeah, it's odd feeling stuff sometimes,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: but it's like you can still get behind that back,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: you know. And and that's kind of where I like
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: to I like to make it groove and I like
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: to like get that like where your body just starts
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: going with it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was trying to think of the I was
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: trying to think of a really profound metaphoro that I
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: can I can ascribe to myself. And this probably sounds
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: cheesy as fucking I'm like, if it doesn't move you
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: or make you move, it ain't music. Yeah, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's maybe that's not even original. Maybe that's well.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Chris Teely had a really good quote about that, like
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: how you know music's got a dance as good as
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: it thinks?
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's a way better way to say what
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: I said.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: But because he was talking about the way he plays
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like bach jigues and like partidas and stuff, and like
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: that was originally dance music. But you listen to these
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: classical class play and there's like so much roboto and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: so much like and you can't move to it. And
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: this is dance.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Too much in and out?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, too much in and out. And you got like
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: when Chris Teely plays a partida or something like, you're
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you can feel it like there's rhythm right right?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: So what what what? What kind of groups do you
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: think do that better than anyone genre?
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Carbomb, car Bomb is just their rhythms are just stupid,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Like what they do it's not even it's math, it's
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: not even music. But like it's the best.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I see that.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I see that car Bomb's really good. Utopia was doing
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: really angular, crazy out there stuff for sure. Sure, I
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: don't even know. I don't think I listened too many
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: bands like that anymore.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying. I don't try to be like
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Super you know, I'm not. I'm not a Tool fan.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Tool great, like one of those Tool fans
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: that are like evangelists about them. But I think Tool
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: does that pretty darn well.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Tools, really, I I do. I'm not like a Tool fan, right, yeah,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: you want to see you, But like I do like
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Tool quite a bit for sure.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're one of those bands that I think
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: definitely does that right where they'll they'll they'll take you
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: down routes where you're like, I should not be able.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: To be moving to this, Yeah, yeah to it, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: yet I am that's exactly it. There's some get bands
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that do that, like, yeah, Suga is probably like well, honestly,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I just think Sugar is the heaviest band ever like
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: so far as like esthetic lyrics, technicality, like the whole,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and they're I think that the most post psychedelic band
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: decide of Pink Floyd. Like if you look at their
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: imagery and their lyrics and some of the stuff that
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: they're talking about, like it's psychedelic stuff for sure, like
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: but just just the dark side of it, like the
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the black angle of it versus like yeah, versus the
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: funny trippy sea squiggles and rainbows ship you know it's
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: right now there stuff is like that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Would I would throw like Gogira in that same yeah,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: because you're maybe not quite as maybe not quite as dark,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: no more more more radio friendly, I guess.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're more they're more riffy. They're like they got
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: the riffs, Like, yeah, they're all about the riff and
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: that's that's important too, Like a good riff is is
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: where it's at for sure?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, hell yeah. Interesting. So any plans to to
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: expand into a more band sex situation.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know he's talked.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: About a producer or something like that, but like a
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: band type situation.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of developing an audition process like as as
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going because not only do I want to find
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: good players, I want to find great human beings and
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: like people that I can form lifelong connections with and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: really like like people I know have my back and
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: vice versa. Yeah, so I'm coming up with with routines
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: and it's going to be strenuous and it's gonna suck.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: So whoever's going to audition is going to have to
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: work for it for sure.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm doing that. And my buddy said he'll
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: play guitar for me, so I don't have to worry
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: about that because finding another guitar player would like, that's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a big deal. Like guitar players are hard. Yeah, but
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: like I really want a good rhythm section because that's
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the most important part of the band. Like that, that's
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: the I think.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I think I might know a dude that would love
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to play drums and he's very very good, great chops, great.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Seet send him my way.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, we'll do. We'll do if you need. If you
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: need a clean vocalist, I would love. I would love
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: to throw my hat in the audition ring.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I would I would absolutely love to have your feature
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: on something or have you do whatever. That would be awesome.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Sick. Yeah, well, I'll look to get like the exchange.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I'll have to check your portfolio and stuff.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no portfolio. My portfolio is I've won
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: a lot of karaoke contests.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a portfolio for me. It's all here, say though,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: that's portfolio enough.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I spent the money. I spent the money. Oh all right,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: well hey, let's move into top five most influential albums.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: All right, you're ready, I am ready. Let me peep
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: my notes up and see what I put number one, well,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: in no particular order between the Buried Mese colors. Oh yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: that record changed my life and actually saved my life really,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: because like I have bipolar disorder and obsessive compulsive disorder,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and I've dealt with like some serious fucked up mental
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: health shit like my entire life. So I was obviously
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: and I wasn't diagnosed until like my late twenties, so
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: like I was a very depressed and messed up kind
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: of kid. And that album came along and there's you know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: that song Son of Nothing about the dude who like
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: hurls himself into the sun and like he gets he's
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: like on his way there, and he's like, wait, maybe
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: life is pretty cool and I want to live it.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And that was a good message for me, like because
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: I was kind of the spot I was at, like
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I wanted to hurl myself into the sun and like,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: here is this music that's like just like I I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: didn't know music could be that way, and I didn't
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: know you were allowed to go that hard. Sure, So
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: like once I knew it was, then it was was over.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: So Colors Colors was huge for me, and I still
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: play it all the time. I still put the vinyl
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: on every ow and then, Like it's a great record
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and it aged really well.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I think, oh yeah, it sounds just as good today
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: as it did that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah number two number two Boston self titled oh yeah,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: oh yeah. That was honestly what made me want to
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: play music was was my driving in my dad's old cutlass,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Sierra white Cutlass with.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Did you hold up? Hold up?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: Did your dad have a gold chain and a hairy.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: He was, No, He's not a Guido, but he's kind
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: he's kind of the opposite. He like hates squidos.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: He like Guido bashes.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah he does, he does for sure all the short
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: like anyone from the city, he's like, he's like racist
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: to people from the city. It's horrible, but uh but yeah, Boston.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: So listening to that on the tape deck in the
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: cutlass driving a karate class was like, my shit, So
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: driving a karate class, this.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Is what this is? Like an ambulance entertainment kind of films.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely right. So so Boston self titled, and it's
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: like it's like the most punk record of that era
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: because it's all DIY like this dude made that shit
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: in his basement, like with his own shit, like and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: it's it's the one of the best sounding records of
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: all time. Like I have no idea how he produced
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that shit that well, it sounds so good. The songs
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: are incredible, Like Peace of Mind is heavy as fuck
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: like that the dueling guitar shit like that's so heavy.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: So Boston was a huge, huge influence on me.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: I did not know that he produced that himself.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did the whole thing in his basement by himself,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: like on a twenty four trap reporder.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: That's fucking nuts.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And did everything like it's it's that's why I say
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: it's so crazy, because it's like it's a d I
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: y like but the best sounding record of that era,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: hands down, Like the arena round sound.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: It sounds so good. It sounds like it has you know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of dollars, Yeah, you know of production
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: behind it. Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: And and if you pick it apart, and if you
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: pick it apart and listen to all the individual parts,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: it's like this guy's a genius. Absolute fu. Yeah, he
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: went to like M I. T and stuff. Oh of course,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: like engineering. Yeah, it was pretty crazy. Yeah. Number three
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: mm hmm. Number three Alman Brothers Band Live at Fillmore East.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Gotta love it, you got. That's that's a given. It's
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: the best live record ever record.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Like, oh, that's a that's that's fighting words.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: That is a big claim. I take it.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: It's out there.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I take it back, but it is up there, I
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: would says rock record.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I'm alive, I'm alive at leads by the who Oh,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: you're right. That one's just oh so just it's so heavy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah that is really good too.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Everything's turned up to eleven on that rend.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: No, I agree, though you don't.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: We don't have to. Bros can listen to them both.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's true.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like like Dicky Bats, Rest in Peace was
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: a humongous influence on my playing like humongous and Dwayne
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: too like and that record like it's just musicianship, musicianship,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: pure and simple, like never be a band like that,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: No one will ever do it better, like no prodigies,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Prodigies just just and and the vibe like and the
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: fact that they were doing it first, like yeah, like
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: it was really something fresh and new. Yeah, they feel I.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Feel like Allman Brothers sitting like this weird liminal space
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: that doesn't exist in any other music.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: They are absolutely their own thing.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: It's so extremely peaceful and yet so extremely heavy.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: It's rock and roll all the way, and yet it's
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: country music and it's jazz, and it's like it's all
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: and pure blues and it's like all these things together
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and you can't tell where one begins the other ends,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: and it's like right, yeah, So that that record was
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: huge for me. Like the first nice day in spring,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: I rolled down my windows and I put on Statesboro
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Blues and just crank it and like that's my thing.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Number four, here's one for you, A Vene sevenfold City
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: of Evil.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm a fan.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: I'm a fan that record on way too much and
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: that is such a for.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Like a fifteen year old kid like that shit. I
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: remember exactly, like I'll exactly where I was, and I
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: was in that I was in the living room over
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: there because my parents they blocked like MTV and views
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: and stuff on the TV are fused on the TV.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Of course it did, so I had I'd sneak over
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to my grandma's house and I'd watch the music videos.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: And I remember the back country music video came on
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and it's you know, tattooed dudes back to back, shred
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: and guitars and half naked chicks all over the place
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and cars and like the best. Yeah, and I was like,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: my parents are gonna hate this lot.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: It's such a revel.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I think about it like a fifteen year old
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: dude who's like all fucked up in the head and
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it's like rock and roll extreme,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Like that's the appeal, right, That's that's the target audience.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: That's that's mainline.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Then, yeah, mainline. So I did. I picked up that
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: record and I wore it out. Like the songwriting is incredible,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: The musicianship is incredible. Like I'm not a fan of
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: the singing, but like that's it is, really is and
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: it's cool, like it's fine for what it is. Yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: it's a great where the solos are incredible, like, oh.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: All the way through it's great.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great record.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: That was you know, go ahead, sorry, Well, so.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Far as influence is concerned, that was probably the biggest,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: like so far as like getting me into metal.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: And for sure, for sure, have you seen the trend
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: of like the you know, the single Moms with the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: skull and wings even said sevenfold thing with the tram stamp. No,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: as a tram stamp, I should.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Say no, I've never seen that, but I imagine it's
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: probably pretty prolific.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I'm looking it is very prolific. I'm looking for a
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: friend group that will just you know, get that as
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: a tram stamp together with me.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: So don't if you're interested, don't tempt me.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I will tempt you. I've got all the way to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: the edge.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Mine. Mine is. I wanted to get Gene Wilder and
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Cleveland little from blazing saddles on each of my ass
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: cheeks right like, but I don't think I'm gonna do that.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: Please do.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: If I do, everyone's gonna like yeah like that, like
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you know, and you know the picture I'm talking about right,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: like the one where they're like last exactly. Yeah, like
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: it's great.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Oh that would be too good. Then you gotta get
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: a mango tramp.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Stony yeah, oh my god, I do mango on the front.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Just punching a horse.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Oh Mongo Street. Yeah yeah. The punching the horse thing
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: was just so oh man, that movie was great. Oh wild, Yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I'm out of pocket. Oh we're ready for number five.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: I think we're missing out on number five, number five,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: number five, And I just decided on this one today
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: and I mean it full chest. Ela Fitzgerald sings the
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Irving Berlin Songbook Oh Okay like the Blue Skies on
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: that one of the best scat solos of all time.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Like Ela Fitzgerald was the best singer to ever live,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: hands down, no equal, no comparison, no contests, and also
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: one of the best improvisers of all time. Like her
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: scatting is just like on on Just You Just Me.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: You ever heard that track, dude, it's the bands swinging hard.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: She's fucking crushing it. Like, what a great recording that's
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: not on that record though, I don't think, But man,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: there's some some really great tunes on that one, and uh,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Irving Berlin was a fantastic songwriter, and like all that
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: tinpan alley stuff was was huge when I was doing jazz.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, El Fitzgerald sings the Irving Berlin songbook.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: You're laughing at me. That's a great one. Putting on
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: the ritz of course. Cheek to cheek. Cheek to cheek
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: is like that's the ultimate, like dance with a new
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: date kind of song. It's fantastic. Yeah, good, I've cheeked.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: To cheek out. I don't know if I've heard that one.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do it. It's Oh, it's so good. So Ella Fitzgerald, I.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Love you some some some good deep deep soul blues singers.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: There's not a lot of them around anymore.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: You gotta look for him.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Who who's our modern interpretation of that? Who's our modern
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: elevis Joe?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of Alexis p Suiter? No, she's
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: really good. Maybe Staples is still and sing singing, still
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: living and singing, Stas May Staples is great, But I
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: don't like, there's no equals to.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Like, No, there's definitely not.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Everyone's different from there, you know, and and things will
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: never be the same again. But but there's still plenty
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: of really really good jazz singers out there.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: You just gotta like, well, for sure, I know there,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I know there are, but I mean, like what we're
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: talking about, like the superstar Diva, Yeah.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: No jet like jazz adab, they just would be like
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the equivalent.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't want no blue Eyes sol though.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: I want I want, I want the authentic stuff. Yeah
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Uh sweet hey great less super eclectic.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I love it. I don't think we've had a single
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: one of those records as one of the top five
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: most influential records of anyone's history. Cool, so good on you.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: You are still you're still being ah you know that
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Diamond and the Rough in that case, I love it,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: We tend to get a lot of the same records
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: with that.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So I can imagine, Well, there are certain records that
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: are just there, are big.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: They're ubiquitous, right, they're influential. That that's literally the whole
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: point to it, right, So like it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Makes sense absolutely absolutely, and that's yeah, there are certain
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: there are certain like I don't know, like Marvin Gaye's
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: what's going on, Like that that record is just good.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Everyone's going to be influenced by that record, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: stuff like that.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: If you're not you don't have you don't have a soul.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't really be a musician without being influenced
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: by it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Have you ever met like someone who's like, yeah, I
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: don't really listen to music, I don't really like music.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I actually have and it's super it's weird. It's so
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: it's like, it feels very Mark Zuckerberg.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you're not You're not human.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: You're not human.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I do feel very comfortable, or they would.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Like fake it, right, yeah, you know, like, oh yes,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I really like I really like this musical Ella Finzgerald.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: She fits in a Gerald. I think I have her
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: on Facebook. So what would you like to plug?
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I would like to plug my music, of course
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: I have.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Where should people go and find it?
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Well, all of my stuff is up for free download
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: on band camp if you would like to own it
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: or possess it, and I would like to keep it
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: that way, but unfortunately, circumstances being what they are, I
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: have to live and eat too. I will be doing
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: physical releases at some point. But my latest EP, Obsession
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Cineration is is Live really proud of It came together
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: really quickly, really organically, and it's definitely like the hardest hitting,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: wackiest stuff I've done so far. Hymnol. I just put
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: out a remix of that. It's the vocals are a
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: little louder. So yeah, check out my music. I'm on
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: TikTok Instagram, the Chapel Fire, at the Chapel Fire. What else.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I don't really have much to plug. It's basically just
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: the music. I'm all about the music.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Man, good stuff man, Yeah, oh anything else?
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: There is that one thing. Okay, So I well, so, okay,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: so I met this guy when I was at the club,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: right and he he actually makes digredoos, like handmade from
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: like all kinds of exotic woods, right yeah, And and
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: he fills them with like and there's different kinds of
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: like beads and like crazy stuff you can put in there,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: like if you want to make like a rain stick
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: or whatever. There's like there's like all kinds of different
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: different instruments and stuff that he's that he's making with
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: these kinds of things. And uh so he actually got
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: in touch with me and is it wants to make
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: an album of didredoo music. So I've so, I've actually
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: been listening to and studying some of the great African,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Australian Aboriginal performers and uh, and so there's some really
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: some really great inspiration and wealth of knowledge coming out
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: of that that ancient style of of of music and
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: expression and sound. It's it's definitely, it's definitely something. So
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: so this guy is trying to get me to do
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: this album of music. And there's actually this this buddy
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: of mine who has a studio a couple of times
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: over does everything on analog, like you know, really great
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: like tape reel to reel recorders, and like he's got
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: like his own melotron, Like he's got vintage melotron, Like
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: he's got all kinds of really cool stuff. But the
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: most important thing he has is or his microphones, right,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and he's got these really great vintage microphones that really
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: pick up the the expressive nature and the the vibration
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: of the digur do. And so percussion will be primarily
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: rainstick and we've we've picked glass speads for this one
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: because that's just the tone for the preferred rainstick tone.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And and then did you do so it will be
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: me and this gentleman his name is Francisco, like a monk,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: and he's uh yeah, and he's going to be playing
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: did you do with on this next record? Interesting? Yeah,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: and it's I think it's going to be called something
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: typhoon typhoon.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Is it gonna have like an interesting spelling on typhoon?
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it's it's actually like like an antiquated
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: spelling of Portuguese spelling Portuguese person the Portuguese, of course,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: because they traveled all over that area.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: They sure they certainly did.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that, you know.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Are you going to add other instruments beyond rain
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: sticks and digiti?
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: No, this is this is a purest record. This is
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: a record for THESS.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: So it's entirely cultural appropriation.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely cultural appropriation to the fullistics. Dan, I
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: love it. You could be the eminem of did you
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: do of of African Australian Australian Aboriginal Aboriginal music.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm a fan of this. I think you should
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: shoot a music video at a luru on the very
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: top of it, completely naked in a buckskin. No, yeah, yeah,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: completely naked except for a bucks.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: Except for a buckskin. Well, and then they.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: Should probably also have the fattest booty Aboriginals.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know if you've ever just to
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: bring in views, I don't know if you've ever seen
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: you you know Fela Kuti right, oh, I love have
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: you ever seen his sons? I got to work with
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: sound and Femi and the dancers they have with them.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Holy shit, they move and they move and they move
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: and they move stop. Yeah, unbelievable, just skill.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I think I've I've watched every single live performance of
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Failure on uh that that that I can find on
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: the internet, and it's the same thing there, like unbelieva,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: the dances he had and the backup singers he had.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: He didn't stop moving.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: No, afrobeat is that real? Ship? Like that real real? Yes?
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, but there's there's there's a farm line between good
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: and bad Afrobeat?
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely, there's Well that's everything though, right like everything, Yeah,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: for sure, bad stuff in it too, for sure. So yeah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: stay tuned for Typhoon.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Dude, I'm excited Typhoon. I uh, you know, that's one
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: genre of music that I have not dipped my toes
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: too much.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Australian Aboriginal.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited. I think I think if
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: it's you doing it, you'll lend a very interesting perspective.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: You're you're a formally Baptist perspective of state in New
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: York perspective. And I can't wait.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's it's going to be probably pretty racist.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, stay tuned. Typhoon is on the way, all right,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: up the windows, batting down the hatches. There's a storm
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: comming and it sounds like it sounds like m M
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: to be clear, to be clear. I do respect that
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: music tremendously.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: It's it's not so clear, but it's good.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I want to make that clear for sure.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: It's clear. Now it's been clear.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, awesome.
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: Sick. Well, Hey, thank you so much for coming on this.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Yeah,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: it was a good time.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Everyone. Go go check out Chapel Fire if you haven't yet,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: if you need to check them out on the on
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: the Instagram and the tiktoks first, and then go get
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: yourself some some some delicious tunes on the old band
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: camp or on the Spotify. Yeah, Apple music, Tube music,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Shah Apple Music. So wherever you're at, you do you
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: a thing, do you thing, love it well, Thank you
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Again, thank you so much, appreciate it, and we'll be
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: in touch, sir,