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43. Family Constellations, Connection, and Coming Home with Medoc Perry · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy Cartwright: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Order everyone and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Today I have the pleasure of, um, having a conversation with Medoc Perry from, um, well you are based in the states right now, but, um, and we've just met for the first time in person.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Well in person online, so, but we've been interacting for a little while and fellow kiwi, so I would love for you to introduce yourself Absolutely.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And share with the listeners and the views a little bit about who you are and, and
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  Medoc Perry: yeah,
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  Tracy Cartwright: where you are.
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  Medoc Perry: Thank you.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah, so I'm, um, my name is Och Perry, as you said.
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  Medoc Perry: I am, uh, originally from Targa in New Zealand.
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  Medoc Perry: I grew up just outside Targa, the Ranges right by the river, so, oh yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: It was, even just thinking about it touches my heart.
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  Medoc Perry: It was a beautiful place to grow up and, uh, very connected to land.
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  Medoc Perry: You know, not far from the Pacific Ocean.
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  Medoc Perry: So that's kind of my, that's my roots in the land.
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  Medoc Perry: And I now live in Arizona, but I just spent, I've lived, I've lived in the States for quite a while.
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  Medoc Perry: It's where my mom's from and um, yeah, I've been living in Seattle and then Woodby Island for the last 12 years.
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  Medoc Perry: And now I'm, I've just recently moved to the desert in Arizona, so I'm in the Sonoran Desert right down south near the Mexican water.
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  Medoc Perry: And then to just share a little bit about my, where I can, my people come from.
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  Medoc Perry: So my mom is American, but before that her people were Scottish and Irish and Swedish and German and um, French.
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  Medoc Perry: So it's kind of a collection there.
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  Medoc Perry: And then, and did I say Irish?
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  Medoc Perry: Anyway, there's a collection of the European set and then my dad was English.
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  Medoc Perry: And I'm not sure how many generations that went back, but um, yeah, I had the good fortune to live in New Zealand.
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  Medoc Perry: As a growing up and I have four, uh, three siblings and me living ones.
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  Medoc Perry: Anyway, yeah, I'm, I feel very grateful to have found my way to Constellations, which is, you know, mainly what we're gonna talk about.
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  Medoc Perry: But I also have been doing healing work for about 20 years.
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  Medoc Perry: So I first, um, discovered Reiki in England, um, you know, 20 plus years ago.
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  Medoc Perry: And then Body Talk in New Zealand.
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  Medoc Perry: So from a beautiful, um, Kiwi woman called Tracy Livingston.
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  Medoc Perry: Paul, she was one of my wonderful teachers.
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  Medoc Perry: And then here in the states I discovered, um, constellations with a woman called Bri Star.
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  Medoc Perry: And um, she was one of the early constellations here in America.
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  Medoc Perry: And actually.
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  Medoc Perry: She is a wonderful, wonderful practitioner and I think really is not as renowned as she she could be.
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  Medoc Perry: She's just really very talented and her teacher was so, he used to come from Germany and come do circles with her here in the United States in the early days.
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  Medoc Perry: So yeah, it's kind of my tradition there.
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  Medoc Perry: In terms of me as a person, I'm pretty spiritual, you know?
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  Medoc Perry: I'm really connected to land very much and getting deeper.
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  Medoc Perry: I think being in here in the desert, I'm living on very, um, feels like very sacred land and very powerful land.
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  Medoc Perry: So I kind of feel like I've been called here in a wave.
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  Medoc Perry: I don't quite know yet what, but I've just got this amazing view of a mountain.
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  Medoc Perry: And just before our call, of course the road runner ran past the window, which is um, good luck.
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  Medoc Perry: So there's a lot of things twice.
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  Medoc Perry: Keep an eye on.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: Twice.
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  Medoc Perry: So twice the good fortune.
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  Medoc Perry: Good luck for us.
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  Medoc Perry: So.
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  Medoc Perry: So here I see, I hear coyotes in the nighttime and I, uh, there's mountain lions in Jaguar, even some, like sometimes Jaguars in the hills here.
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  Medoc Perry: So, yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: So I just also wanna honor the people who came before me, you know, on this land, because I feel like they're really still present here.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: So I feel grateful to be here connected with this land medicine, and maybe that's part of the, the next stage of where I'm going.
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  Medoc Perry: Uh, so yeah, that's kind of a little bit about me, maybe.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So what, what Drew, what drew you to Arizona?
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah, it's a good question, isn't it?
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  Medoc Perry: Uh, living in the, in the Pacific Northwest in Seattle, it's um.
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  Medoc Perry: It's beautiful land, a land of big trees, and, um, a lot of, again, a lot of nature.
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  Medoc Perry: Very different nature though, but the winters can be quite dark and cloudy and, um, after 12 years or so in that climate, I think I, I felt like a change.
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  Medoc Perry: I really wanted more sunshine.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah, the winters can be hard there.
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  Medoc Perry: I find It gets, it can get dark and, you know, people, people can get, you know, a little introverted and so yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: Coming here, I think there was a, the Pacific, uh.
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  Medoc Perry: Southwest just kept popping in conversation with people.
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  Medoc Perry: And then finally, um, a woman I knew who was a Body talk practitioner lives down here, and so she invited me to come and check it out.
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  Medoc Perry: And, um, I've been here ever since.
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  Medoc Perry: And I, it's sort of mystic the way we called to places.
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  Medoc Perry: Right.
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  Medoc Perry: But I think for right now, it's a really good place for me to be.
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  Medoc Perry: And I've been, yeah, very welcomed into the local,
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  Tracy Cartwright: so in Arizona, like, excuse my, um,
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  Medoc Perry: yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Non geographical brain here.
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  Tracy Cartwright: But is that, where is it Sedona?
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  Tracy Cartwright: Is it near Sedona?
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  Tracy Cartwright: Sedona
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  Medoc Perry: is at the top of of Arizona.
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  Medoc Perry: Okay.
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  Medoc Perry: But it's not, um, it's not, yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: So I, because that's
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  Tracy Cartwright: really known for its mystical, energetic portals, isn't it?
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah, it is.
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  Medoc Perry: And if we're gonna go a little woo, some people have said that some of those portals have moved to this area, so I don't know what, I don't know what or where, or
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  Tracy Cartwright: we can go a whole lot where if you like.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah, we could do.
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  Medoc Perry: Um, but also I find there's like, there's big, there's monsoons rolling across the landscape right now and I have this amazing view.
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  Medoc Perry: So I see these big lightning storms and Wow, you know, rain and it's quite, can be quite isolated and very beautiful.
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  Medoc Perry: So I'm quite lucky.
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  Medoc Perry: But yeah, Sedona has a, I have actually haven't been to Sedona, so I can't really compare the two, but I think this is, it's very powerful and America's so diverse.
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  Medoc Perry: I mean.
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  Medoc Perry: You know, well, the USA is so diverse.
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  Medoc Perry: The America is even more diverse, so it's, um, very different.
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  Medoc Perry: But the desert, I've never lived in the desert, so it's a really lovely exploration for me.
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  Medoc Perry: Fantastic and live outside Tucson.
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  Medoc Perry: And you know, it doesn't appear like many people are doing constellations here, if any.
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  Medoc Perry: I keep hearing people say, oh, we need that here, no one's doing it.
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  Medoc Perry: So that could also be, maybe that's a reason I've been called.
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  Medoc Perry: So, um, yeah, I'm already doing some work here in two, but where I live, little Townville artist town and then Tucson's the next big city where I hope to do, set up some regular circles here soon.
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  Medoc Perry: So.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, fantastic.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So when you first met Constellations, what was that?
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  Tracy Cartwright: How?
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  Tracy Cartwright: How did that come about?
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  Medoc Perry: You know, it's funny how things come about, isn't it?
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  Medoc Perry: I was actually working a job, um, in a, this is when I was living in Seattle, the early days in Seattle, and I was working at a, an organic co-op, and the people were rolling through the check stand where I was, you know, and telling, and I was like, oh, you know, I just checked with people like, oh, what are you doing?
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  Medoc Perry: Oh, you're doing some, oh, you're doing a workshop?
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  Medoc Perry: Well, what's the workshop?
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  Medoc Perry: What's that?
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  Medoc Perry: You know, kind of just asking.
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  Medoc Perry: Eventually the teacher rolled through Brigetta and she, yeah, she told me And I, you know, rocked along to a workshop.
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  Medoc Perry: So I think a lot of the modalities that I've learned, 'cause there've been other ones like OMI as well, which is like a body centered and kind of psychotherapy therapy.
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  Medoc Perry: They've all just turned up in my environment in some way, shape or form.
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  Medoc Perry: But you know what, I think with me, my whole life.
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  Medoc Perry: I've been really interested in people's happiness and also families.
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  Medoc Perry: Um, you know, I remember being a kid and, you know, really wanting my whole family to be happy and also growing up as a, you know, in New Zealand as a sort of immigrant family, really right?
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  Medoc Perry: With no extended family.
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  Medoc Perry: Um, I always had this interest in wider families and.
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  Medoc Perry: You know, actually I used to work for a phone counseling line or volunteer for phone counseling line in Wellington called Youth Line, which some people might know about.
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  Medoc Perry: And they do this fun exercise, which they called Family Adams, where people would map their families.
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  Medoc Perry: And so back when I was in my early twenties and volunteering there, I loved that exercise really.
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  Medoc Perry: And so it would be like, you'd have the family mapped out and then people would explain why, you know, why your family's being placed where they are.
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  Medoc Perry: And so when I found Constellations, I was like, oh my gosh, that's kind of, it's different, but it's also got this, you know.
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  Medoc Perry: Sort of flavor of what I loved all those years ago, and when I went to my first Constellation workshops, I was just so moved by this work and the depth of being able to connect with the family field and the changes that I saw, and just how touching it was to see people's families and feel the flavor of them.
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  Medoc Perry: And it's been hugely beneficial to me and my family too.
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  Medoc Perry: You know, actually there's been, I think over the many years that I've done constellations, it's been really beneficial.
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  Medoc Perry: And my clients, I mean, I've been.
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  Medoc Perry: Facilitating Constellations now for about six years.
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  Medoc Perry: I've met Constellations about 10 years ago, and I've just seen so many changes and people I studied with, you know, my family, people that I've worked with and facilitated and just watching those changes just are so gratifying to me, you know?
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: So I think, yeah, clearly.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
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  Medoc Perry: it's laugh now, you know, you're probably the same.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah, yeah,
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  Tracy Cartwright: yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Sometimes I find it really easy to describe and other times it's like, um, and obviously sometimes there's the company that I'm in, um, yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: As to some, you know, some people are gonna understand my description a whole lot quicker.
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  Tracy Cartwright: How would you describe Constellations if you were meeting someone for the first time?
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah, well, like you say, it sort of depends in the moment who I'm talking to.
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  Medoc Perry: 'cause I'll try to frame it a little bit to them, or maybe I'll just blurt out with something that's really different in the moment, depending on their flavor.
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  Medoc Perry: But I usually say it's a. It's, and it's an experiential process, um, that maps out, um, a system and usually we're working with the family system, but it could be any system, like a piece of land or it could be a, a business or a, um, a group that you belong to.
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  Medoc Perry: And then we look at the underlying dynamics of the family that might be creating a certain pattern.
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  Medoc Perry: And so it's a beautiful way to work with the patterns in our life that we can't seem to change any other way.
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  Medoc Perry: And, you know, there's a, you know, we, we have this belief right in constellations that everything in our life has its roots somewhere in the family field and in our ancestors.
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  Medoc Perry: So when we look at the family field, we are not just looking at the one person, we are looking at everything they're embedded within.
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  Medoc Perry: Um, and all of those patterns.
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  Medoc Perry: And there's certain things that are really important.
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  Medoc Perry: It's really important that everyone belongs.
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  Medoc Perry: It's really important that there's a certain order that feels harmonious to the family.
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  Medoc Perry: So we, we support creating that good order if it's needed.
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  Medoc Perry: And we also support giving back these patterns to the, to the family if we can find the root of them, you know?
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  Medoc Perry: So that's often sort of where I'll start.
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  Medoc Perry: Here in America.
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  Medoc Perry: I also like to say too that we sort of believe that we're individuals.
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  Medoc Perry: You know, there's this really strong flavor of individuality in America and that we are like self-made people.
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  Medoc Perry: Um, and there's very little acknowledgement of who came before us.
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  Medoc Perry: And so, you know, I guess one of my, oh well my teacher the other day actually, I was talking to her and she was saying how she called this the New World 'cause she's from Germany and so she said when growing up in Germany, you know, there is this.
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  Medoc Perry: You know, the, the ancestors are there, the whole community's there.
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  Medoc Perry: People don't move a lot.
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  Medoc Perry: So it's sort of, you grow up embedded in this, this deeper, you know, system.
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  Medoc Perry: Whereas with Americans, you know, when the immigration happened then there was a very, there was a lot of forgetting of who came before.
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  Medoc Perry: And so here people move so quickly, you know, and they.
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  Medoc Perry: They may not remember back past their grandparents.
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  Medoc Perry: And I think maybe that's the same sometimes in New Zealand or Australia, you know, in these countries where people immigrated to
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  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. Where it's been colonized only in the last few hundred years.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: And then that's as far back as we can remember if that, you know, and usually it's much more recent than that, than we actually remember.
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  Medoc Perry: So it's very rarely that I work with someone who's, you know.
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  Medoc Perry: More European that remembers past their grandparents, or maybe they can get to their great grandparents.
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  Medoc Perry: But after that, all the stories are lost, you know?
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  Medoc Perry: But this work enables us to connect with the people that came before us and get a feeling for them, you know?
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  Medoc Perry: And I love it when.
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  Medoc Perry: Constellations when we get that feeling of connectedness.
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  Medoc Perry: So I have this sense now that I have people behind me, you know, that support me, and that there's love that flows down through those people and through these open heart to me, and that holds me in the world, you know?
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  Medoc Perry: And when I see that shift in the constellation, it's so moving, you know?
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  Medoc Perry: Um.
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  Medoc Perry: To see that love come through and that people actually feel a vitality or a connection.
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  Medoc Perry: So I think that's also really important, um, in this and certainly where, you know, where I live maybe, um, in some other countries where there's, you know, so I think Brigetta, my teacher used to say that in Europe when she works a lot, you know, often we, the trauma is something like the World War, you know, 'cause that was such a big trauma in that part of the world.
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  Medoc Perry: Because they were right there living with it.
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  Medoc Perry: Um, but here it often, she often sees, we have to go back to the, to the, you know, that immigration point where there was a huge break the line.
• 13:49
  Tracy Cartwright: I think a lot of people were potentially trying to was have a new start and maybe forget about the.
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  Tracy Cartwright: The pain and the lack and the starvation and
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: All that they were coming from.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So they were just like, put that behind.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Don't even think about it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Moving ahead.
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  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: But
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  Tracy Cartwright: as we know, the ripple effects of that and how that flows down through the generations, through the, through the systems, through the cells,
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  Medoc Perry: and the grief of leaving everyone behind, and especially the women, right.
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  Medoc Perry: Who didn't have a choice.
• 14:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, my great grandmother.
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  Tracy Cartwright: My mom's grandmother.
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  Tracy Cartwright: She lost five babies and she would go down to the grave, this is in England, and she would go down to the granddad and lie on the graves and cry.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Most of the time she was a midwife as well.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So, you know, it really was wow.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Heartbreaking for her.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So the family decided that the best thing to do would be to immigrate.
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  Medoc Perry: Oh.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I remember like, because
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  Medoc Perry: you can't actually see the grief or live with the grief or,
• 14:48
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Oh my gosh.
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  Medoc Perry: Wow.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Actually, I think there's four babies at that time.
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  Tracy Cartwright: There was one that was lost on the, in the boat over, but that grief carried on through.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It was so embedded in my cells.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I had so much deep grief and, and not the understanding.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I had a lot of stuff of my own, a lot of bits and pieces.
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  Tracy Cartwright: But when I did that piece of work for around that and what showed up with Sarah's grief.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Oh my gosh.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Just the relief because you know, moving countries was never gonna fix that.
• 15:20
  Tracy Cartwright: It was, yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: Well and it adds to it probably too, right?
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  Medoc Perry: Because not only now have you lost four babies, but you've lost all of the, you know, your community and the people who, all your stories and
• 15:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Yep.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Your place in the community.
• 15:34
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause they had quite a standing in the community and.
• 15:37
  Tracy Cartwright: I mean, I understand it and I'm very, very grateful because I love New Zealand.
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  Medoc Perry: Um,
• 15:44
  Tracy Cartwright: it's such a, I've traveled a lot and, uh, just love coming home, coming.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Medoc Perry: So,
• 15:50
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, our ancestors, hey, what they, what they had to endure for us to be here.
• 15:55
  Medoc Perry: So much strength.
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  Medoc Perry: And that's the thing too.
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  Medoc Perry: It's not just the, I mean there's so much strength in the ancestors as well, not just the negative patterns that show up too, right?
• 16:03
  Medoc Perry: It's also the strength that we can connect to, and especially when we start to clear and heal some of those patterns, that strength comes through even more strongly.
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  Medoc Perry: And I think, you know, that's to acknowledge that.
• 16:15
  Medoc Perry: Constellations are like ceremony.
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  Medoc Perry: I mean, it's really, it's a ceremonial process to connect with the field of information, you know, and to learn that we can all do that work and we can all connect intuitively to this field of information.
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  Medoc Perry: It's actually a huge learning for people.
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  Medoc Perry: I think
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  Tracy Cartwright: it makes sense to me because mm-hmm.
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  Tracy Cartwright: When I first met it, I had had.
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  Tracy Cartwright: All my life I'd been feeling and, and sensing and well, I, you know, I can see spirit and that, and I have been really all my sentient abilities, whatever.
• 16:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: That just my gifts were already heightened as a child.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And so when I met Constellations, I remember sitting in the hot seat and spirit said to me, this is what you've been waiting for.
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  Tracy Cartwright: This is what you're here to do.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And oh, there was an ease in my body.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And it just made sense.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I thought, you know, obviously I had to learn the psychology side of it, but the, the energetic side of it, the felt experience, um, and it just made so many things in my life make sense.
• 17:20
  Tracy Cartwright: And also the resources that I gathered from the traumatic things that I had experienced.
• 17:27
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 17:27
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and looked at then became resources.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So it's like, yeah, this is.
• 17:33
  Medoc Perry: This is
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  Tracy Cartwright: potent work.
• 17:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Potent work.
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  Medoc Perry: It, oh my gosh.
• 17:37
  Medoc Perry: It is so potent.
• 17:38
  Medoc Perry: It's so moving to me.
• 17:39
  Medoc Perry: And I love that idea too, that you just spoke about, about how that ease comes into the body, that ease that we, truth is spoken.
• 17:47
  Medoc Perry: You know, when something comes to light, there is that ease in us, in the field and our family.
• 17:52
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: It's such a, that breath
• 17:54
  Tracy Cartwright: out, hey.
• 17:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh
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  Medoc Perry: yeah.
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  Medoc Perry: It's like, it's like all, like the whole, everyone's been holding something and then all of a sudden it's like, oh, okay, we can all relax.
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  Medoc Perry: And
• 18:04
  Tracy Cartwright: sometimes I sit in a workshop where everybody can feel it.
• 18:08
  Tracy Cartwright: The whole room is holding their breath.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm like, it's just, and in the movement, there can be a bit of movement in the field.
• 18:14
  Tracy Cartwright: And then, then there'll be that moment for the.
• 18:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Person who's representing to have their breath out, and then you look at the client and they're doing the same thing.
• 18:24
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 18:24
  Medoc Perry: It's,
• 18:24
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah.
• 18:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 18:25
  Medoc Perry: Well, and it's, I mean, I was thinking about this because, you know, of course I was thinking what, you know.
• 18:30
  Medoc Perry: About constellations and what I love and preparation for this.
• 18:33
  Medoc Perry: And I was thinking about how, you know, constellations is also great training for how to live, right?
• 18:38
  Medoc Perry: How to make, how to work through those times when everything's like holding.
• 18:42
  Medoc Perry: And there's kind of that time in the field where it hasn't been revealed yet and everyone's like in anticipation, like something's, you know, something needs to happen here or.
• 18:52
  Medoc Perry: Or those times when the consolation needs to go slow, you know, or um, when we feel something in our body or we feel a shift or we need to take a movement.
• 19:02
  Medoc Perry: Like these are all skills for life because we feel the same things in our body in life too, you know?
• 19:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 19:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Have you got, um, have you got a favorite facilitator or facilitating tourist?
• 19:16
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, I still think my favorite facilitator is my, my teacher.
• 19:20
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 19:21
  Medoc Perry: I really love the way she works.
• 19:23
  Medoc Perry: I think the things I love about her is she's very intuitive.
• 19:26
  Medoc Perry: She feels the field very deeply.
• 19:28
  Medoc Perry: She doesn't work in a formulaic way.
• 19:31
  Medoc Perry: And so that was really good training for us when we were like in circle with her.
• 19:36
  Medoc Perry: And I spent three, three years in her learning circle and then, you know, other workshops over a couple more years.
• 19:41
  Medoc Perry: So it was a, it was a deep kind of immersion with her.
• 19:45
  Medoc Perry: I love that about her.
• 19:45
  Medoc Perry: She's very honest and straightforward.
• 19:47
  Medoc Perry: And the other thing I love, I know it's, I know not everyone likes to do this, but she likes to take a constellation till the end so that it feels complete.
• 19:55
  Medoc Perry: I know some people like to kind of open it and get it to a peak of energy and then leave it, but I actually, there's something that really is supported for me in seeing the constellation.
• 20:05
  Medoc Perry: Feel complete and people connected and the love flowing and that people can move forward.
• 20:11
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 20:12
  Medoc Perry: I still have a lot of fondness for her and I guess maybe we all have a little bit of fondness for the first person who taught us, right?
• 20:18
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 20:18
  Medoc Perry: Where kinda like that's the way we were introduced to this work.
• 20:23
  Medoc Perry: And so there's that.
• 20:24
  Medoc Perry: Um,
• 20:25
  Tracy Cartwright: interestingly enough.
• 20:27
  Tracy Cartwright: So that was in Seattle, is that right?
• 20:29
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 20:29
  Medoc Perry: She's the person, you know, is the person on your intro video.
• 20:32
  Medoc Perry: She, you have her intro video on your website.
• 20:35
  Medoc Perry: Um mm-hmm.
• 20:36
  Medoc Perry: And it was in, in Seattle.
• 20:37
  Tracy Cartwright: So my, the first person that introduced me to Constellations was also from Seattle.
• 20:42
  Tracy Cartwright: His name was Mark Johnson.
• 20:44
  Medoc Perry: Oh yeah, I've heard of him.
• 20:46
  Medoc Perry: Yeah,
• 20:46
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, yeah.
• 20:46
  Tracy Cartwright: He's no longer with us.
• 20:47
  Tracy Cartwright: He's down own spirit.
• 20:49
  Tracy Cartwright: But, um, yeah, and he taught
• 20:51
  Medoc Perry: some of the people I know in Seattle, in the Constellation community.
• 20:54
  Medoc Perry: I never worked with him myself.
• 20:55
  Medoc Perry: Um, and actually I really worked with Brita for several years when I first started.
• 20:59
  Medoc Perry: So it was only after a few years that I started really looking around and I'm doing some work with Francesca, Nathan Boring right now, just to deepen, you know.
• 21:07
  Medoc Perry: Because I love nature Cons, the idea of nature constellations.
• 21:10
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 21:11
  Medoc Perry: She has a little bit more business constellations, so that's been really nice also to work with her.
• 21:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Just saying, I am actually talking with Francesca after you this morning.
• 21:20
  Tracy Cartwright: This morning.
• 21:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh really?
• 21:22
  Tracy Cartwright: And art a time.
• 21:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 21:23
  Tracy Cartwright: We've been trying to tee one up for quite a while, so.
• 21:26
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 21:26
  Medoc Perry: Um,
• 21:27
  Tracy Cartwright: and it just lined up just like that, so it was perfect.
• 21:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, well that's funny that you're gonna
• 21:31
  Medoc Perry: go straight before you can tell her you're just talking with me.
• 21:35
  Medoc Perry: But anyway, yeah, she, it is been nice and it's, I've been traveling for that, but you know, also there's a place too where, you know, we just have to step into doing the work and being a teacher and facilitator ourselves.
• 21:47
  Medoc Perry: Right.
• 21:47
  Medoc Perry: So I started that journey about six years ago, and so, um, yeah, that was, has been an important part of the process for me too.
• 21:53
  Medoc Perry: I mean, it's nice to feel other people's work, but it's also good to be grounded in my own, in
• 21:58
  Tracy Cartwright: my Absolutely.
• 21:59
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:00
  Medoc Perry: I wanna say the other thing that I really love about Britta too is that she was very.
• 22:04
  Medoc Perry: Um, encouraging of us doing our own work.
• 22:07
  Medoc Perry: So when you do her learning, circle mo, you know, a lot of it is doing our own constellations over and over and being immersed in the work.
• 22:15
  Medoc Perry: And so by the time, you know, someone finished a year worth of her circle, we'd actually, she calls it lightning, our own backpacks.
• 22:23
  Medoc Perry: So doing our own work so that when we come to finally facilitate or do more work, there's, you know, we are much clearer in ourselves.
• 22:30
  Medoc Perry: And I think that's been.
• 22:32
  Medoc Perry: A real benefit and, and
• 22:33
  Tracy Cartwright: is that a not a common thing in training?
• 22:35
  Medoc Perry: Do you know?
• 22:36
  Medoc Perry: It's actually, I feel, no, it, it's not always a common thing, um, because I
• 22:41
  Tracy Cartwright: train and that's what I would do too, because it's like you can't.
• 22:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 22:44
  Tracy Cartwright: My viewpoint is that to be the best fac, you know, facilitator and, and to be grounded in yourself, you have to into that.
• 22:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Exactly.
• 22:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Look at your blind spots and, um,
• 22:56
  Medoc Perry: yeah.
• 22:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:57
  Tracy Cartwright: I always encourage my students to get out there and, um, go to other facilitators.
• 23:02
  Tracy Cartwright: But also whenever, when we're working, um, when we're training, we are always doing constellations with each other.
• 23:09
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 23:10
  Medoc Perry: And I'm
• 23:10
  Tracy Cartwright: consolidating and
• 23:12
  Medoc Perry: yeah, it's
• 23:13
  Tracy Cartwright: just so important.
• 23:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Like, I don't know how else you could learn.
• 23:16
  Tracy Cartwright: I guess there are other ways, but it, for me, that doesn't feel.
• 23:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I hear you.
• 23:20
  Tracy Cartwright: It feels really important.
• 23:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Really important.
• 23:22
  Medoc Perry: It's really important.
• 23:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 23:24
  Medoc Perry: And you know, then I feel like I have this connection to my ancestors and I feel like, you know, there is, I've seen the benefit of the work in my own life.
• 23:31
  Medoc Perry: Um,
• 23:32
  Tracy Cartwright: and it's that, you know, you are embodying it and you have that experience of it all too.
• 23:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Right?
• 23:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 23:38
  Medoc Perry: So I feel, yeah, I feel very grateful.
• 23:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 23:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Wonderful.
• 23:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Do you have any examples of constellations that you would be comfortable to share that.
• 23:49
  Medoc Perry: I was thinking about this.
• 23:50
  Medoc Perry: I mean, there's so many constellations aren't there when we've done this work for a long time and um, you know, a lot of the facilitation I do now, I'll be in the constellation and fully there, present with it, and afterwards I'll like, forget it again.
• 24:02
  Medoc Perry: So there's sort of that piece of like leaving it behind.
• 24:05
  Medoc Perry: Um, but there's some moving things, certainly.
• 24:09
  Medoc Perry: Um.
• 24:10
  Medoc Perry: One thing with my family is my dad went to boarding school at age seven and um, and his dad, I think same thing.
• 24:19
  Medoc Perry: And doing a constellation about that was very moving to see my dad get the support that he needed from his parents, because I can't imagine, you know, leaving home at the age of seven.
• 24:29
  Medoc Perry: So there's this sort of, you know, there's this English, you know, tradition right, of like sending the kids, um.
• 24:36
  Medoc Perry: To boarding school.
• 24:37
  Medoc Perry: And yeah, that would really, I could see the effect of that, you know, in his life and in his father's life and in this like stiff upper lip, you know, don't, don't show any emotion and the missing of, of mother, you know, leaving, leaving the parents behind.
• 24:54
  Medoc Perry: Was your
• 24:55
  Tracy Cartwright: father alive or is he alive?
• 24:57
  Medoc Perry: He's not, no, he's not alive anymore.
• 24:59
  Medoc Perry: He actually passed away before I started this work.
• 25:02
  Medoc Perry: But you know.
• 25:03
  Medoc Perry: I feel more connected to him.
• 25:05
  Medoc Perry: Of course, you know, we do this work and then.
• 25:08
  Medoc Perry: Um, and, you know, there was always a lot of love, but he also, he, you know, he carried, he definitely carried some stuff and, um, it was beautiful to see that work done and him turn around in this much more open-hearted way, in this much more supported way.
• 25:23
  Medoc Perry: And his dad died when he was very young too.
• 25:26
  Medoc Perry: And then, you know, there's other constellations where like, you know, really connecting with, you know, my mother's line and the, the love that could flow through that way.
• 25:36
  Medoc Perry: Um, and having these, you know, seeing the grandparents who really cared.
• 25:41
  Medoc Perry: Um, so for me that work's been really, and you know, there's some other things of course that, you know, are more private, so I don't necessarily want to share them.
• 25:48
  Medoc Perry: But, um, in terms of some of the work I've seen done in other families, you know, I remember this one where I. Or stepped in.
• 25:56
  Medoc Perry: Actually, it's a role of a slave owner into a constellation.
• 26:01
  Medoc Perry: And you know, one of those things about constellations is we can also feel these roles that we've never been, right.
• 26:09
  Medoc Perry: So I got to step into this role of this person who felt all powerful and angry and, you know, and of course it, it was a very powerful constellation because it was, um, a slave owner and then a slave.
• 26:22
  Medoc Perry: You know, doing, going back to that and then doing the healing to, to, to give that back.
• 26:28
  Medoc Perry: But, you know, it sticks with me.
• 26:29
  Medoc Perry: 'cause that's never an experience I'm gonna have in my life.
• 26:31
  Medoc Perry: I'm not an angry person.
• 26:32
  Medoc Perry: I'm not, I don't tend to, you know, tend to that kind of hunger for power.
• 26:36
  Medoc Perry: But yeah, that was, um, very moving.
• 26:39
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 26:40
  Medoc Perry: And just.
• 26:41
  Medoc Perry: What's some other ones?
• 26:42
  Medoc Perry: You know, I always find the missing twin constellations to be very moving.
• 26:47
  Medoc Perry: You know, seeing someone who's felt like something's missing from their life, their whole life.
• 26:51
  Medoc Perry: And then seeing, you know, them connecting and in the womb and getting that silence of the womb sound and seeing this, you know, deep reconnection.
• 27:02
  Medoc Perry: Um.
• 27:03
  Medoc Perry: I did a constellation workshop here a while ago, and actually the dogs were in the room and I love animals 'cause you know, they'll come in and I've worked with horses, you know, there's a woman in Canada, um, one of my teachers, Lucia Jacobs, who works with, um, horses and dogs, and she does healing with.
• 27:19
  Medoc Perry: Her kind of all of her sentient beings.
• 27:22
  Medoc Perry: And I've worked with her horses and you know, the dogs before actually, with them being in the constellation.
• 27:28
  Medoc Perry: And they do, they respond.
• 27:30
  Medoc Perry: And this constellation that we've done down here, this older dog who was in the room, pushed her way into a twin constellation.
• 27:37
  Medoc Perry: I was like, wow.
• 27:38
  Medoc Perry: It's, you know.
• 27:39
  Medoc Perry: Maybe triplets, you know, so there was just like this, this moving and she just got really comfortable and just like laid in there, you know, because she knew something was missing.
• 27:48
  Medoc Perry: She's got that instinct of like, so I love, you know, it's very moving to me, watching the animals respond to the field as well.
• 27:56
  Medoc Perry: You know, they will, something will happen in the constellation and then the animals will rearrange themselves.
• 28:01
  Medoc Perry: So they're really great.
• 28:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I see that too.
• 28:03
  Tracy Cartwright: I've got a little, um, little helper.
• 28:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, I've got two actually, one who's looking at me at the door right now.
• 28:08
  Tracy Cartwright: He's a little bit annoyed'cause it's raining outside.
• 28:10
  Tracy Cartwright: He wants to come in.
• 28:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, and he, my cat comes often, comes in and plays, holds his space as a perpetrator.
• 28:18
  Tracy Cartwright: He's got that, he's got that perpetrator energy about him.
• 28:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Occasionally if the cat, if the dog's not around, occasionally he is, shows up as a very loving being.
• 28:28
  Tracy Cartwright: But most of the time he comes in with this.
• 28:31
  Tracy Cartwright: That's like, okay, there's something,
• 28:34
  Medoc Perry: is he is, he also got a, has he got a talent for the hidden things?
• 28:37
  Medoc Perry: Is that like part of what he is doing is,
• 28:39
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, the dog probably has more of the talent for the hidden things.
• 28:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 28:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 28:43
  Tracy Cartwright: She is very good.
• 28:44
  Tracy Cartwright: Like she'll come in and she'll, I use these markers on the ground and she'll just stand there and go, oh, what?
• 28:49
  Tracy Cartwright: She's telling me there's something there.
• 28:51
  Tracy Cartwright: I like, oh, okay, put a marker down and then she'll happily move away or.
• 28:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Or she'll just come in like in workshops.
• 28:59
  Tracy Cartwright: I've had workshops in my home where she comes in and she stands next to the same person each time, you know, she'll come and be like, you say that acknowledgement that there is someone missing on that side or that there's something that is unseen or that wants to be acknowledged.
• 29:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, and sometimes it's just like saying, Hey, look at that.
• 29:18
  Tracy Cartwright: I think feels like Lacey's saying there's something missing here and that can shift the field.
• 29:24
  Medoc Perry: Oh, and there can be so much energy caught up in these secret places, right when there's been, I've seen constellations with things like child abuse and, you know, things that work that have been kept secret for a long time and then it comes out, you know, or hidden people.
• 29:40
  Medoc Perry: And we know the power of that in the field and for the, the person who's sitting, you know, the client next to us.
• 29:47
  Medoc Perry: Um, and there's another one that really sticks in my mind too.
• 29:49
  Medoc Perry: It was a woman who.
• 29:51
  Medoc Perry: She had immigrated and she'd come from, um, the, you know, former like Czechoslovakia.
• 29:58
  Medoc Perry: She couldn't feel at home.
• 30:00
  Medoc Perry: You know, they'd left us refugees, um, and she couldn't feel at home.
• 30:04
  Medoc Perry: And when we were doing the constellation, there was some workmen, um, in our apartment building.
• 30:11
  Medoc Perry: And as the consultation was happening, these workmen started like hammering.
• 30:15
  Medoc Perry: Like right next door.
• 30:17
  Medoc Perry: And I'm like, I'm like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
• 30:19
  Medoc Perry: There's like all this noise in the background, but you know what?
• 30:23
  Medoc Perry: It was like bonds.
• 30:24
  Medoc Perry: It was like bonds going off and it was like the war that they had fled.
• 30:30
  Medoc Perry: It's like her.
• 30:31
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 30:32
  Medoc Perry: Her particularly, it was one of, you know, her dad couldn't look back and actually when we worked in the constellation and connected them back, you know, and felt the grief, she said actually her life really changed that she could connect to where she was now and that was, yeah.
• 30:47
  Medoc Perry: Super moving.
• 30:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, that, being aware of that, the greater field, right.
• 30:53
  Tracy Cartwright: The awareness of what's happening around us and.
• 30:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Like you say, the noises that go off that sound like bombs or the um, the cats that's sitting at the door waiting to get in the fire engines that go whizzing past or the, the, uh,
• 31:07
  Medoc Perry: yeah,
• 31:08
  Tracy Cartwright: the building alarms I've had that had that happen and, you know, and greater field.
• 31:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Tracy Cartwright: And
• 31:12
  Medoc Perry: somehow feeds into the field and it reminds us that we're all connected.
• 31:16
  Medoc Perry: There's not the separation.
• 31:18
  Medoc Perry: That there is this information that's alive around us all the time to tap into, but it's even more alive when we set up the ceremonial process to do the, you know, work and actually tune into it.
• 31:29
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 31:29
  Medoc Perry: I mean this work is so, so amazing, isn't it?
• 31:32
  Medoc Perry: Well, do you have something that's really, that always that you always go back to in terms of constellations that really stick in your mind
• 31:40
  Tracy Cartwright: as in an example of a constellation?
• 31:42
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, like something that's always like.
• 31:46
  Medoc Perry: Touchstone.
• 31:47
  Tracy Cartwright: That's a great question.
• 31:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Put me on the spot.
• 31:49
  Tracy Cartwright: I do that to you guys.
• 31:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, sorry.
• 31:50
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, you don't have to.
• 31:52
  Medoc Perry: I mean, you did also already talk about your grandma, so, or great-grandma.
• 31:55
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh yeah.
• 31:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, I've done quite a few.
• 31:57
  Tracy Cartwright: I did the one that, um, has been rising up for me.
• 32:01
  Tracy Cartwright: In fact, this is, I've already spoken about this, this morning with someone, um, very early this morning in the conversation, a, a piece of work I did in 2019 and it, and it, and it was around.
• 32:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Feminine.
• 32:14
  Tracy Cartwright: So I was, um, menstruating so heavily that I was, it felt like I was, um, dying.
• 32:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Like it was just so heavy every time.
• 32:23
  Tracy Cartwright: And the constellation, I remember the woman laying on the ground and she just kept saying, get closer to the mother, get closer to the mother.
• 32:31
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and at the time I remember leaving, feeling a little confused a little.
• 32:36
  Tracy Cartwright: 'cause there was no more information than that.
• 32:40
  Tracy Cartwright: And um, and really struggling.
• 32:43
  Tracy Cartwright: But over about period of about three years, there'd be these big nuggets of information that would just drop in.
• 32:51
  Tracy Cartwright: And I could feel that that thread came back to that constellation.
• 32:54
  Medoc Perry: Right?
• 32:55
  Medoc Perry: It's like something that unlocked and then dropped in.
• 32:59
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Medoc Perry: Over time.
• 33:00
  Medoc Perry: Do you know, I think that's a good remembrance too, isn't it?
• 33:02
  Medoc Perry: That actually.
• 33:03
  Medoc Perry: The ripple from the constellation goes out a long, long way.
• 33:08
  Medoc Perry: Mm. Because the benefit isn't just immediate.
• 33:10
  Medoc Perry: It like sets off this whole new trajectory for our life.
• 33:13
  Medoc Perry: And I, yeah.
• 33:14
  Medoc Perry: I often have people come back to me a long time later and say, oh my gosh, like these things are still unfolding, like
• 33:21
  Tracy Cartwright: you said.
• 33:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 33:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 33:22
  Tracy Cartwright: I would say that there's probably still things unfolding from that, you know?
• 33:27
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 33:27
  Medoc Perry: Powerful.
• 33:28
  Tracy Cartwright: It opens other doors and it allows.
• 33:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Other layers to be seen, but also, and it's like,
• 33:35
  Medoc Perry: oh,
• 33:36
  Tracy Cartwright: and it's, it was really interesting for me, I think, because it, I could feel that direct connection to that constellation, whereas others have just felt at times there's been that immersion and into the field of things and not really remembering and just stuff unfolding.
• 33:56
  Tracy Cartwright: But that one was really, stayed with me, really stayed.
• 34:01
  Medoc Perry: It's amazing, isn't it?
• 34:02
  Medoc Perry: I mean, I'm sort of thinking, I mean there's just so many amazing examples.
• 34:05
  Medoc Perry: You know, there's examples of like women whose families clearly got persecuted, like witchcraft, kind of, you know, where women kind of had to shut down their power in the family as healers, you know?
• 34:17
  Medoc Perry: I think that comes up a a lot for women, and I've seen that a few times in constellations.
• 34:23
  Medoc Perry: You know, here in, in the United States, um, with some of the people who were originally here and some of the, the terrible things that happened and then, um, you know, some of the bigger issues like slavery.
• 34:34
  Medoc Perry: I mean, there's still healing happening on both sides with that, right?
• 34:37
  Medoc Perry: So that, yeah, not just the.
• 34:40
  Medoc Perry: The families who, who had victims in the family, but also the families who did the perpetrating.
• 34:45
  Medoc Perry: You know, there's, that's still rippling in their families and that can sometimes be a surprise for people when that shows up because these are big issues that are still being healed.
• 34:55
  Medoc Perry: Absolutely.
• 34:56
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 34:57
  Medoc Perry: I think it's so courageous when someone actually has, you know, it's like we can only maybe reveal in a constellation what someone's ready for.
• 35:04
  Medoc Perry: I really try to stick to that principle.
• 35:06
  Medoc Perry: Like I really, when I come in to observe, I really try to see what's ready to be seen.
• 35:11
  Medoc Perry: You know, it's not about forcing our way, like into the field, right?
• 35:15
  Medoc Perry: It's not really gonna respond to that.
• 35:18
  Medoc Perry: Um, but I think it, I think it's so courageous when someone sees that in their lineage.
• 35:22
  Medoc Perry: 'cause it's like they're ready to, to allow that to.
• 35:25
  Medoc Perry: Secret to come, to come out and they're doing the collective healing.
• 35:28
  Medoc Perry: I mean, we see that, right?
• 35:30
  Medoc Perry: That
• 35:30
  Tracy Cartwright: well the ancestors are calling you to come and do the work, right?
• 35:33
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, totally.
• 35:35
  Medoc Perry: And, and the, the like collective is calling us to do the work individually too, to, to heal the, the wider wounds.
• 35:42
  Medoc Perry: Um, yeah.
• 35:44
  Medoc Perry: So that's, it's always gratifying when that kind of thing shows up.
• 35:47
  Medoc Perry: And I think for me it's really important too.
• 35:50
  Medoc Perry: I was thinking about this to really do.
• 35:52
  Medoc Perry: Somatic healing, like to take time with some of those bigger issues.
• 35:56
  Medoc Perry: Or like connecting with mother, you know, overcoming that kind of, um, interrupted movement idea, you know, where with the child's being separated from the mother.
• 36:04
  Medoc Perry: And then here we are again in the constellation, you know, with our mother and the body's trying to, you know, really integrate that.
• 36:12
  Medoc Perry: I know it's really important to me that we don't hurry that, you know?
• 36:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm. And I think true coming out of the mind.
• 36:19
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, like,
• 36:20
  Medoc Perry: yeah.
• 36:20
  Tracy Cartwright: So many layers in the process, but coming out of the mind, allowing the body to integrate it, like you say, and um, and being in it.
• 36:28
  Tracy Cartwright: So that leads me into my question that popped in during that when you were sharing that was how do you, as a facilitator, uh, what is your self care after you've run a workshop or you've been Yeah.
• 36:41
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 36:42
  Medoc Perry: Well, so just, I wanna respond just before I forget, to something you just said right then, which was about coming out of the mind.
• 36:48
  Medoc Perry: Oh my gosh.
• 36:49
  Medoc Perry: This work is amazing for teaching us to come out of the mind and be in the heart and like open our hearts again and feel and like practicing that over and over again and constellations and practicing connecting and opening and connecting and opening.
• 37:04
  Medoc Perry: Oh my God.
• 37:05
  Medoc Perry: It's, that's where I feel like everyone could benefit, you know, in this modern world where we're kind of in our head.
• 37:11
  Medoc Perry: So I've gotten a lot personally out of this work about being able to reconnect to my intuition in terms of myself, I think I've done so many constellations now that I feel really grateful that it's easy for me to kind of come into the field and connect and then to leave and leave it behind.
• 37:29
  Medoc Perry: I don't carry a lot of the stories with me.
• 37:31
  Medoc Perry: Sometimes they stay, but it's a lot of the time the story just blends back.
• 37:35
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 37:36
  Medoc Perry: Into the background.
• 37:37
  Medoc Perry: So I'm not carrying things for people and I think that's really important.
• 37:41
  Medoc Perry: Um, you know, I try to do, I mean like maybe practitioners, you know, very simple things like just having a space that feels very nourishing to work in.
• 37:49
  Medoc Perry: After a call, I'll usually rest, and especially if I'm doing a workshop, like an online workshop, and I'm doing a few hours or a day.
• 37:55
  Medoc Perry: I really make sure I take the time to like ground that night and just be in my body and maybe put my feet on the earth.
• 38:02
  Medoc Perry: And sometimes if there's something a little heavier that I take away, of course, things like EEPs and salt bars or you know, using some smudge or going out and intentionally giving it to the land.
• 38:13
  Medoc Perry: You know that sometimes, oh, for me a huge healing thing is to walk in nature.
• 38:18
  Medoc Perry: So often when I walk at the moment, I'm trying to walk in the morning.
• 38:22
  Medoc Perry: It's so hot here right now 'cause it's the middle of the summer.
• 38:25
  Medoc Perry: It's the desert.
• 38:26
  Medoc Perry: So I've been going out really, you know, early in the morning and walking in the desert and just, you know, saying hello to the trees and saying hello to the land.
• 38:34
  Medoc Perry: And that for me, recenters me somehow and, you know, puts me in my body and that's where I wanna work from is my body and.
• 38:42
  Medoc Perry: I mean, sometimes I'll be, I'll be like, oh, there's my tree friends.
• 38:45
  Medoc Perry: You know?
• 38:45
  Medoc Perry: They feel like the community that lives around me.
• 38:48
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Medoc Perry: So I dunno if that answers your question, but I think it's important that we.
• 38:53
  Medoc Perry: Then I think also doing, doing my own work, like I make sure that I see practitioners myself.
• 38:58
  Medoc Perry: You know, I think, I don't know if that's a, a thing that everyone does, but I, I think it's really beneficial for us as practitioners to always be doing our own work with things that come up.
• 39:08
  Medoc Perry: Um, because I do see that, you know, when there's a flavor of something that's rolling through my clients over and over again, it's kinda like, okay, maybe there's something to be Yeah, yeah.
• 39:18
  Medoc Perry: You know?
• 39:20
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 39:20
  Medoc Perry: And, and nourishing and, yeah.
• 39:22
  Medoc Perry: I'm pretty grounded.
• 39:23
  Medoc Perry: I think I'm very grateful that I'm, I'm a very quite grounded, you know, nature oriented person.
• 39:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 39:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Because if we, if, if, if we are in a space of thinking, we can hold it all and do it all, and I don't need to see anyone.
• 39:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, it's an illusion.
• 39:42
  Tracy Cartwright: I think it's an illusion, but also we're, we're not benefiting ourselves.
• 39:47
  Tracy Cartwright: We're not benefiting our clients or the greater system because we are just merely, um, small beings in this very large system, and we need to take care of ourselves.
• 39:57
  Tracy Cartwright: All the burnout.
• 39:58
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, I think that's true.
• 40:00
  Medoc Perry: And you know, when I was younger in my family, I felt a kind of, I was the oldest child, you know, and I felt the sense of responsibility for everyone.
• 40:07
  Medoc Perry: It took me a long time to learn my way outta that and to learn, and also not to do that as a practitioner, right?
• 40:15
  Medoc Perry: With my, you know, with healing clients and any of the modalities that I do that.
• 40:20
  Medoc Perry: I really feel like now I show up to witness what's there.
• 40:24
  Medoc Perry: Like I'm not being the healer.
• 40:26
  Medoc Perry: I'm not being the, you know, trying to force something that happens to forcing something to happen.
• 40:32
  Medoc Perry: I'm just coming in to witness what's ready to change in the person.
• 40:35
  Medoc Perry: Like I really recognize that it's the, you know, the client or the other person that I'm working with, their body knows.
• 40:43
  Medoc Perry: Their system knows what needs to be seen.
• 40:45
  Medoc Perry: So all I need to be is the best possible observer that I can be.
• 40:49
  Medoc Perry: And I think,
• 40:49
  Tracy Cartwright: isn't that so powerful?
• 40:51
  Medoc Perry: Oh my God, it's so powerful.
• 40:53
  Medoc Perry: And that's, we are doing our own work to be the clearer and clearer and clearer, um, observer is so, is so important.
• 41:02
  Medoc Perry: And I, so I, I'm very grateful actually.
• 41:04
  Medoc Perry: I think I've, I think I'm getting, you know, I think I'm getting better and better at.
• 41:09
  Medoc Perry: And that somehow enables me to walk away more cleanly, you know, because I'm working with what's ready.
• 41:15
  Medoc Perry: And that's, you know, body Talk is one of the main healing modalities I work with, and that has a really strong emphasis on priority.
• 41:22
  Medoc Perry: Like what's the most important thing to shift?
• 41:25
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 41:26
  Medoc Perry: First.
• 41:26
  Medoc Perry: And also, um, to bring about harmony.
• 41:29
  Medoc Perry: And also just to be the witness that it's always the client's body that's feeling and they, you know, there's something that's ready in them or ready to change.
• 41:37
  Medoc Perry: I just get to witness it.
• 41:39
  Medoc Perry: And in that, isn't it magical that we see this, right?
• 41:42
  Medoc Perry: Somehow in this witnessing of things, change happens so powerful.
• 41:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely, and, and you know, I see it and I feel it and have received it in the constellations when.
• 41:54
  Tracy Cartwright: You're either sitting as a witness to someone else's constellation, which is a huge honor now to, to be able to witness that when someone's being so vulnerable and also systemically in the field, often there's things that are covered up.
• 42:07
  Tracy Cartwright: So to have it witnessed
• 42:09
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 42:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Allows it to breathe in the energetic field and to move.
• 42:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 42:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 42:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 42:15
  Tracy Cartwright: There's so much power in that.
• 42:16
  Medoc Perry: There's something you just said that really, oh, I know what I was thinking about.
• 42:20
  Medoc Perry: You know what an honor also to be a representative like.
• 42:23
  Medoc Perry: I think the more I do the work, and maybe it's also as I become more aware of what's, you know, seeing all the pieces, like how kaleidoscopic appears, you know, that this person is a representative, is like doing their own work while also representing in the Constellation.
• 42:39
  Medoc Perry: And that the constellation can have all these layers happening at the same time that we don't have to.
• 42:44
  Medoc Perry: Collapse it to like one storyline, right?
• 42:46
  Medoc Perry: And then actually we should probably avoid collapsing it to one storyline because it leaves like all this possibility.
• 42:52
  Medoc Perry: So I just have such a more and more appreciation for how this work enables so much movement to happen at once.
• 43:00
  Medoc Perry: You know?
• 43:01
  Medoc Perry: And maybe it's even if we get little different timelines or past lives or, I don't think it's just necessarily this one.
• 43:08
  Medoc Perry: One thread.
• 43:09
  Medoc Perry: It's like, Ooh, wow.
• 43:11
  Medoc Perry: Look at all these.
• 43:11
  Medoc Perry: Look at all these things.
• 43:12
  Medoc Perry: Rippling out, you know?
• 43:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Have you seen?
• 43:16
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, sorry.
• 43:17
  Medoc Perry: Maybe they don't even need to be said, you know, sometimes they just need to be seen by the facilitator or by a representative.
• 43:23
  Medoc Perry: So
• 43:25
  Tracy Cartwright: I was just thinking of timelines.
• 43:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Have you seen Leslie nips?
• 43:27
  Medoc Perry: Do you know?
• 43:28
  Medoc Perry: I've never worked with her.
• 43:29
  Medoc Perry: I know people who have worked with her.
• 43:31
  Tracy Cartwright: When I first met her, she did a piece of work around parallel, parallel universes and different timelines and, and stuff like that.
• 43:38
  Tracy Cartwright: That would be really interesting.
• 43:38
  Tracy Cartwright: That was fascinating.
• 43:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 43:40
  Tracy Cartwright: In a constellation setting and bringing it back to, you know, but yeah, there's, and,
• 43:47
  Medoc Perry: and working with different concepts, you know, we don't have to have our judgment up, like people who maybe think that they're, you know, who feel that they're walk-ins or come from another.
• 43:56
  Medoc Perry: Another place.
• 43:57
  Medoc Perry: And that there needs to be some healing there.
• 44:00
  Medoc Perry: You know, maybe people, you know, who've been born in here from other places and times actually that healing can be done in constellations too.
• 44:09
  Medoc Perry: You know?
• 44:09
  Medoc Perry: It doesn't just have to be the the physical family.
• 44:12
  Medoc Perry: Well, that's a system too, isn't
• 44:13
  Tracy Cartwright: it?
• 44:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Those are all different systems.
• 44:15
  Medoc Perry: They're all systems.
• 44:16
  Medoc Perry: But of course, you know.
• 44:18
  Medoc Perry: Our family is like such a huge part.
• 44:20
  Medoc Perry: Might as well start there.
• 44:21
  Medoc Perry: Sometimes we want to go way off, don't we?
• 44:23
  Medoc Perry: It's like, I wanna deal with all like weird cool stuff, but actually, you know, the family's like super nourishing when we get that lined up, like gives us the, the vitality and power to deal with everything else.
• 44:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, I thought I grew up in a ordinary family.
• 44:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Because they didn't know any different.
• 44:43
  Medoc Perry: We don't know any different, we just in that, in that water, like the fish race,
• 44:48
  Tracy Cartwright: normal quotation makes, um, far from it, but.
• 44:54
  Medoc Perry: And then we do this work and then we realize, oh, every family's got flavors of things.
• 44:59
  Medoc Perry: You know?
• 45:00
  Medoc Perry: Absolutely.
• 45:01
  Tracy Cartwright: Who doesn't?
• 45:01
  Tracy Cartwright: It's just
• 45:01
  Medoc Perry: that we don't know.
• 45:02
  Medoc Perry: We don't, when we are growing up, like
• 45:04
  Tracy Cartwright: I think I went through a stage of being a bit shaken up about the fact of all that I was experiencing and how not.
• 45:12
  Tracy Cartwright: I had a lot of complex PTD put it that way, so it went through the stage and then I came to a point of peace with it, of knowing that.
• 45:21
  Tracy Cartwright: From that.
• 45:22
  Tracy Cartwright: From that point, I also have, um, a very broad worldview and I also have a lot of resources and compassion and I've had to learn a whole lot of self-love from that space as well.
• 45:36
  Medoc Perry: Yes.
• 45:36
  Medoc Perry: Like that classic kind of preparation for the future, right?
• 45:40
  Medoc Perry: Like to have that experience gives you so much more compassion and so much more.
• 45:46
  Medoc Perry: Ability to witness.
• 45:47
  Medoc Perry: Like I feel like that with my family, you know?
• 45:50
  Medoc Perry: And even just my life, I've had the opportunity to like interact with so many different kinds of people.
• 45:55
  Medoc Perry: And my parents were just one way or another.
• 45:57
  Medoc Perry: You know, they were complex humans that had different sides.
• 46:01
  Medoc Perry: And you know, that makes me so much more able to like be with people, you know, without judgment, without, yeah.
• 46:08
  Medoc Perry: And to be with their families.
• 46:09
  Medoc Perry: And you too.
• 46:10
  Medoc Perry: I'm sure you are.
• 46:11
  Medoc Perry: I mean, just, I haven't seen you work, but just listening to you in these podcasts, you know, I'm very touched.
• 46:16
  Medoc Perry: By the way you talk about things and Yeah.
• 46:19
  Medoc Perry: Talk about constellations.
• 46:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 46:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Gosh, I'm, well, obviously I'm doing this podcast and I'm doing the work and, uh, I just love it.
• 46:28
  Tracy Cartwright: I love,
• 46:29
  Medoc Perry: I know, me too,
• 46:30
  Tracy Cartwright: so hard to describe, but it's not at the same time,
• 46:35
  Medoc Perry: and you have to feel it.
• 46:36
  Medoc Perry: I mean, we, we can talk about constellations like forever, right from our head and try to explain it.
• 46:43
  Medoc Perry: When someone comes to a Constellation workshop and is in the work, or they come to a practitioner and do the one-on-one work and then they feel it and they feel the change.
• 46:51
  Medoc Perry: I mean, that's what's so moving.
• 46:54
  Medoc Perry: I think we have so many ways of encouraging us to go into our head in our modern society that wow, to have constellations to like come back into our body and into our heart.
• 47:04
  Medoc Perry: And to really feel and to have the honor of feeling other people's families like not to have those experiences, but to kind of experience what that's like.
• 47:13
  Medoc Perry: It's
• 47:14
  Tracy Cartwright: ha has there been a representation that you've experienced and that.
• 47:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Has really made you go, wow.
• 47:22
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 47:22
  Medoc Perry: Well there was the one I mentioned just before the, the mother role is a big one.
• 47:27
  Medoc Perry: Often, like when you go from being, well, I'm not a mother, I just should say that.
• 47:30
  Medoc Perry: It's, that hasn't been my, you know, not, not part of my life in this lifetime.
• 47:35
  Medoc Perry: Um, but to be in that role of this open hearted mother and like really connect is I think just so moving to me.
• 47:44
  Medoc Perry: I think to stand also in the back, I've had this moving experience of standing in for like the land, like the ancestral lands, and they all kind of have a different flavor, right?
• 47:52
  Medoc Perry: Like the Irish lines feel one way and then the German lion feels different.
• 47:57
  Medoc Perry: And there's something beautiful about like holding all of that and like loving all the descendants and all of the people.
• 48:06
  Medoc Perry: That's, I find that really moving now.
• 48:08
  Medoc Perry: I've had the opportunity to, in Francesca's consolation, to stand in the things like, you know, land or animals and then that's very touching.
• 48:16
  Medoc Perry: 'cause that's like a really different experience.
• 48:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 48:19
  Tracy Cartwright: I do a piece of work, um, around the mountains and the rivers mm-hmm.
• 48:24
  Tracy Cartwright: And stuff like that.
• 48:25
  Tracy Cartwright: So people get to represent those.
• 48:27
  Tracy Cartwright: I was thinking about, I remember, uh, 10 years ago maybe.
• 48:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Representing in the Constellation and I was representing a, the British, I felt my belly get really big.
• 48:39
  Tracy Cartwright: I felt like a, an 50-year-old man with gout and Right.
• 48:48
  Tracy Cartwright: And the arrogance and all of that in it.
• 48:50
  Tracy Cartwright: And I was like, wow, this is like.
• 48:55
  Tracy Cartwright: It could be that perspective of
• 48:57
  Medoc Perry: yes,
• 48:58
  Tracy Cartwright: in, in such a, a representation and how righteous I felt in that moment.
• 49:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 49:05
  Tracy Cartwright: I knew, you know, like it was like, wow, and this, this is going back to.
• 49:11
  Tracy Cartwright: The time when in para Taranaki where the, um, you know, the parasite was raided and all of that.
• 49:19
  Tracy Cartwright: So there was, and it was like the British
• 49:22
  Medoc Perry: and you were, you were the side of the British, like that kind, um, side of the British.
• 49:25
  Medoc Perry: Yep.
• 49:25
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Tracy Cartwright: And there is
• 49:27
  Medoc Perry: this closed hearted like, ooh thing, you know, I wonder how much those boarding schools contributed to that.
• 49:34
  Tracy Cartwright: It was just a righteous, you know, and so having that experience, and then I've done, I've gone from that to, um, just recently I was, I represented a beautiful Perr, so, um, yeah.
• 49:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Maori elder.
• 49:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 49:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Female Mary Elder.
• 49:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Just the softness and the love and the, the feeling connected to my grandchildren.
• 49:57
  Tracy Cartwright: My, and just, but also there was a fire in me that was like standing.
• 50:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 50:03
  Tracy Cartwright: You know, and initiating them to stand up for their rights.
• 50:05
  Tracy Cartwright: So that
• 50:06
  Medoc Perry: female strength
• 50:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 50:08
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and probably.
• 50:10
  Tracy Cartwright: I have got English stock in me as well, English blood, so as, as well as Maori blood, as well as, you know, like lots of others.
• 50:17
  Tracy Cartwright: But maybe there's a touch of my ancestors coming through in all of that as well.
• 50:22
  Medoc Perry: Yes.
• 50:22
  Medoc Perry: Well I think that's it, isn't it?
• 50:24
  Medoc Perry: Like we do, we heal while we're in those roles.
• 50:26
  Medoc Perry: If there's anything that's resonating like a homeopathic medicine, it'll shift that in us.
• 50:32
  Medoc Perry: So beautiful.
• 50:32
  Medoc Perry: And there's no reason.
• 50:33
  Medoc Perry: No, but there's not as much resistance often in those roles.
• 50:36
  Medoc Perry: Is there like.
• 50:37
  Medoc Perry: To having that change happen.
• 50:39
  Medoc Perry: 'cause we're not so attached to it.
• 50:41
  Medoc Perry: So it's sort of like, yeah, and I love those transition roles.
• 50:44
  Medoc Perry: You know, when we go from like closed heart to open heart from like a, a, a man who just can't feel, you know, as a father to like, oh wow.
• 50:53
  Medoc Perry: Oh my gosh, I can feel my kids, you know, I can, um, move from like a violent, angry dad to like a open-hearted connected dad.
• 51:03
  Medoc Perry: So, you know, it's gosh, so beautiful.
• 51:06
  Medoc Perry: And the other one thing I love too is to feel the, it's like before immigration and before trauma.
• 51:12
  Medoc Perry: It often happens when I'm working that we get back to someone who's connected to the land, who's connected to their like tribe and people in the village.
• 51:22
  Medoc Perry: And to feel that sense of connectedness and that sense of place and being, you know, who they really are.
• 51:29
  Medoc Perry: I love that.
• 51:30
  Medoc Perry: I love that.
• 51:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Reminding us that it's not just the trauma that's in ourselves too, right?
• 51:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Yes.
• 51:36
  Tracy Cartwright: There is the healing, there is the, the groundedness, the connection to, mm-hmm.
• 51:41
  Tracy Cartwright: And the beauty.
• 51:42
  Tracy Cartwright: The beauty of it all.
• 51:43
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 51:44
  Medoc Perry: And you know, I've done some constellations with people from like South America who go know, there's a real clear connection back to a tribal route and a tribal village, and I think, wow.
• 51:54
  Medoc Perry: You know, when the constellation's finished, I often wonder like, what happened then to that person?
• 51:59
  Medoc Perry: Does that reconnection show up in their life somehow in a tangible way?
• 52:03
  Medoc Perry: Because we do see tangible changes, don't we, from this work?
• 52:07
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 52:07
  Medoc Perry: There's real flow.
• 52:08
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Medoc Perry: So life, it's so life changing.
• 52:10
  Medoc Perry: Aren't we lucky?
• 52:11
  Medoc Perry: Aren't we lucky to do this work?
• 52:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Be reminded.
• 52:14
  Tracy Cartwright: I like to, I know that, um, Bert Hallinger was inspired to bring through this through, but I really feel like it's ancient work comes much, much before that.
• 52:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 52:25
  Tracy Cartwright: Our people love the fires.
• 52:27
  Tracy Cartwright: All come from the people of the fire originally.
• 52:29
  Tracy Cartwright: And I think that what Bert has brought through has been a way of us remembering
• 52:37
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 52:38
  Medoc Perry: In a
• 52:38
  Tracy Cartwright: modern context.
• 52:39
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 52:39
  Medoc Perry: I'm getting goosebumps while you, while you say that.
• 52:40
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 52:42
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 52:42
  Medoc Perry: You know, and it is because the field of information, you know, the field is always here.
• 52:47
  Medoc Perry: It's just another way to access it.
• 52:49
  Medoc Perry: Right.
• 52:49
  Medoc Perry: So maybe we had a little bit of a different way to do it in the past, but all of that information's available.
• 52:55
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 52:55
  Medoc Perry: I like this.
• 52:55
  Medoc Perry: You know, I also like this because it doesn't take a substance or it doesn't take a, like a, um.
• 53:01
  Medoc Perry: Having to belong to some, you know, religion or some kind of thought, you know, under dogma or something, you know, everyone can do this work.
• 53:11
  Medoc Perry: Um, yeah, because it, it's so simple and so.
• 53:15
  Medoc Perry: Non dogmatic.
• 53:16
  Medoc Perry: It's, it's beautiful and that it's so experiential.
• 53:18
  Medoc Perry: You don't know what's gonna happen until you open the constellation.
• 53:22
  Medoc Perry: It's like a discovery.
• 53:23
  Medoc Perry: And sometimes I talk about it, like I've used this analogy where you're kind of like brushing sand off hieroglyphics.
• 53:29
  Medoc Perry: You know, the hieroglyphics are already there under the sand, but it's like we kinda brush it off till we can see what's there and what's been hidden for so long that we can.
• 53:40
  Tracy Cartwright: I love that.
• 53:41
  Tracy Cartwright: That's a great analogy.
• 53:42
  Tracy Cartwright: I
• 53:42
  Medoc Perry: know it's a nice one, isn't it?
• 53:43
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 53:44
  Medoc Perry: Because it is, it's, it's a, it's a, it's like revealing what's already there.
• 53:49
  Medoc Perry: So yeah, I think maybe that's part
• 53:52
  Tracy Cartwright: of that.
• 53:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Awesome.
• 53:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Wow.
• 53:52
  Tracy Cartwright: We've just been chatting away here for, what, over an hour already?
• 53:57
  Tracy Cartwright: It's just feels like we're only just touching the surface.
• 53:59
  Tracy Cartwright: We
• 53:59
  Medoc Perry: can probably, yeah, we could probably keep, I mean, there's so many things, but it's, yeah, it's,
• 54:04
  Tracy Cartwright: well, I'd love, um, for you to share with the listeners how they can get in touch with you if they feel called to come and work with you.
• 54:12
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, well, it'd be lovely.
• 54:13
  Medoc Perry: Um, well, I should probably say I do, you know, I work in a few different ways.
• 54:17
  Medoc Perry: I, I do do heal, you know, healing work and do healing sessions with people, and so I do work one-on-one in that, and I also do group sessions online, so a couple times a month, which is a really lovely way.
• 54:27
  Medoc Perry: I think right now we're getting such a consciousness, changing consciousness on the planet.
• 54:31
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 54:32
  Medoc Perry: You know, some people, it's a, it's really challenging to grapple with that.
• 54:35
  Medoc Perry: So I think continuing to get healing is really important.
• 54:39
  Medoc Perry: So I help, you know, hold that space for that.
• 54:41
  Medoc Perry: And then constellations, I do at the moment.
• 54:44
  Medoc Perry: I mean, we are always morphing and changing, right?
• 54:46
  Medoc Perry: Who knows when someone will find this podcast, but at the moment, I work one-on-one online and then I do group sessions once a month online as well.
• 54:55
  Medoc Perry: And then, you know, setting up in-person workshops here.
• 54:58
  Medoc Perry: So probably the easiest way to find me is my website, which you'll probably post.
• 55:03
  Medoc Perry: Mm-hmm.
• 55:03
  Medoc Perry: So it's star like Starbird Healing Arts, and it's so star like in the Sky Bird and, uh, healing arts.com.
• 55:11
  Medoc Perry: So that's, that's probably the easiest way.
• 55:14
  Medoc Perry: And uh, yeah, it's really lovely that this work is so accessible right from around the world and we can work with a range of different practitioners that we all have our different flavors, so.
• 55:24
  Medoc Perry: Hmm.
• 55:25
  Tracy Cartwright: And we feel drawn to some and others we just prefer to witness.
• 55:30
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 55:31
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 55:33
  Medoc Perry: It's nice.
• 55:33
  Medoc Perry: It's nice that we have that so much choice now.
• 55:35
  Medoc Perry: And you know, sometimes I used to think that I would have to go back to New Zealand and take, you know, sort of, I felt a little bit of a bit like, oh, I should take this home to New Zealand, you know, I should bring consultations home.
• 55:43
  Medoc Perry: And then I found out actually there's this amazing thriving constellation community at home.
• 55:48
  Medoc Perry: I could have found it probably if I'd stayed in New Zealand, but.
• 55:51
  Medoc Perry: It's like, oh great, that's, it's being taken care of over there in this beautiful community.
• 55:56
  Medoc Perry: So thanks for being part of that.
• 55:58
  Medoc Perry: You sound like Yeah, you're welcome at the kind of initial blooming.
• 56:02
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 56:02
  Tracy Cartwright: It's been sort of percolating, I think underground for quite some time.
• 56:06
  Tracy Cartwright: And my teacher, they talk about, um, her and a few others have talked about 25 years ago, they were trying to get something off the ground here, but nothing was really happening.
• 56:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 56:19
  Tracy Cartwright: Just needed to be the right time.
• 56:20
  Tracy Cartwright: Things to, to arrive.
• 56:22
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 56:22
  Medoc Perry: We see that in the consolation too, right, too.
• 56:24
  Medoc Perry: There's sort of a, the timing sometimes to when things wanna happen.
• 56:28
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 56:28
  Medoc Perry: So, yeah.
• 56:30
  Medoc Perry: Beautiful.
• 56:31
  Medoc Perry: And of course here I am in cca, Arizona, you know, and that's part of the world where it doesn't look like there's a lot of people doing constellations.
• 56:36
  Medoc Perry: So be lovely to do some more of that work with people here.
• 56:40
  Medoc Perry: But I like to travel too, so I'm always happy to travel places and do you know, constellations with people, so,
• 56:47
  Tracy Cartwright: oh, lovely.
• 56:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, it's been fantastic to, um, to talk with you and to share and you know, we've been interacting, um, over, over the messenger and that for a while and yeah, that's really lovely to connect with you on this space.
• 57:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you so much.
• 57:04
  Medoc Perry: It's so lovely.
• 57:04
  Medoc Perry: It's really enjoyed chatting with you, Tracy.
• 57:06
  Medoc Perry: So lovely.
• 57:07
  Medoc Perry: I wish I lived closer.
• 57:09
  Medoc Perry: I would like to come to, um, some of the circles there.
• 57:12
  Medoc Perry: It sounds fab.
• 57:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, we have Anki, our Art New Zealand Constellation Intensive coming up.
• 57:19
  Tracy Cartwright: We're gonna be having our third one next year.
• 57:20
  Tracy Cartwright: So yeah, maybe sometime in the future you'll come and join us.
• 57:25
  Medoc Perry: I think it would be a great added reason to come to New Zealand.
• 57:29
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, for sure.
• 57:31
  Medoc Perry: Yeah, it'd be lovely to come join your I, yeah, I miss the, you know, the land.
• 57:34
  Medoc Perry: It's so new.
• 57:35
  Medoc Perry: Zealand's such got such a beautiful flavor.
• 57:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it has a very different energy, doesn't it?
• 57:40
  Medoc Perry: It does.
• 57:41
  Medoc Perry: It's really, um, really vibrant and still kind of move.
• 57:46
  Medoc Perry: It's still like growing in a way with all that fire and
• 57:50
  Tracy Cartwright: the volcanoes,
• 57:52
  Medoc Perry: you know, it's sort of a fresh land.
• 57:54
  Medoc Perry: I think
• 57:55
  Tracy Cartwright: we are just a whole lot of volcanoes.
• 57:57
  Tracy Cartwright: It's the land.
• 57:58
  Medoc Perry: Yeah.
• 57:59
  Medoc Perry: So thank you Tracy.
• 58:00
  Medoc Perry: Thank and thanks for the podcast.
• 58:02
  Medoc Perry: It's, it's been a real pleasure.
• 58:03
  Medoc Perry: I haven't listened to a huge number of them yet, so working my way through them slowly as I go, driving and.
• 58:09
  Medoc Perry: I'm loving that there's all these different people to listen to and all these different flavors and different ways of explaining things.
• 58:15
  Medoc Perry: And I'll hear people talk and I'll think, ah, that's a great way of saying it.
• 58:20
  Medoc Perry: Oh, that's a,
• 58:20
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah, it's certainly gone.
• 58:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Uh, I didn't know what was gonna happen.
• 58:24
  Tracy Cartwright: It's been nearly a year.
• 58:25
  Tracy Cartwright: I think I started in September last year.
• 58:28
  Tracy Cartwright: So, and it's growing and evolving.
• 58:31
  Tracy Cartwright: It has its own mind.
• 58:32
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm just following it really.
• 58:34
  Tracy Cartwright: It's guiding me so.
• 58:35
  Medoc Perry: Well, till next time I see you.
• 58:38
  Medoc Perry: Thank you so much.
• 58:39
  Tracy Cartwright: You're welcome.
• 58:40
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• 58:41
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