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Supporting Vaccine Injured New Zealanders - with Lynda Wharton of The Health Forum NZ · UK Column Radio

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone. This is Diane Rogers and MacHattie with UK
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  Speaker 1: column News. I'm really happy to be joined today by
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  Speaker 1: Linda Wharton. She is from the Health Forum New Zealand,
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  Speaker 1: so the other side of the world for us, but
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  Speaker 1: obviously I've experienced some very similar things to what we
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  Speaker 1: experienced here in the UK for the last five years,
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  Speaker 1: and so with that, I think I would just like
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  Speaker 1: to pass it over to Linda. Linda, if you just
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  Speaker 1: mind introducing yourself and where you come from and how
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  Speaker 1: did you find UK colum as well, being by the way,
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  Speaker 1: on the other side of the world.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Hi Diane. It's so wonderful to finally be speaking
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  Speaker 2: with you because it has been a long held dream
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  Speaker 2: of mine to be able to be on UK column
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  Speaker 2: News and to share the New Zealand situation with your
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  Speaker 2: viewers all over the world. So I'm from England originally,
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  Speaker 2: but I moved to New Zealand as a child. I
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  Speaker 2: was fifteen when I came here with my mum and dad,
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  Speaker 2: and my dad was in the British Army and then
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  Speaker 2: was offered a position in the New Zealand Army and
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  Speaker 2: we immigrated. So I'm voluntarily a key we being in
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  Speaker 2: my sixties now and having moved here when I was fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: So yes, I'm very interested in England and obviously UK
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  Speaker 2: column News. Actually a lot of awake New Zealanders are
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  Speaker 2: aware of UK column News and many of us, thousands
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  Speaker 2: of the members in the Health Forum actually followed the
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  Speaker 2: work of UK Column through the height of the New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand restrictions and the difficulty in New Zealand and accessing
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  Speaker 2: genuine information that wasn't propaganda. So you have got a
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  Speaker 2: big following in New Zealand as far as I'm aware.
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  Speaker 3: That's really great to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it. With online work you really
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  Speaker 2: have no idea who your audience is, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: they're from every corner of the world, which is really exciting.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great, great opportunity that we've got. So a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about me, well, kind of my life is
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  Speaker 2: pre COVID and post COVID or pre pandemic pandemic. So
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  Speaker 2: my pre pandemic life was very stable, very happy. I'm
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  Speaker 2: married in a long term marriage and it's a second marriage,
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  Speaker 2: but we've been together for sixteen years now and I'm
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  Speaker 2: mom and stepmom to six daughters all grown up, and
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  Speaker 2: I've got eight grandchildren. So family is used to be
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  Speaker 2: still is the center of my life. And prior to
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic, my career for the last thirty five years
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  Speaker 2: was sort of a two pronged career because I had
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  Speaker 2: my own holistic women's health clinic where I worked as
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  Speaker 2: a sole practitioner as a registered traditional Chinese acupunctist natchpath,
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  Speaker 2: specializing in holistic women's health. That was my passion, it
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  Speaker 2: was my calling. And alongside that, I had an equally
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  Speaker 2: lengthy and enjoyable career as a freelance health researcher and journalist.
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  Speaker 2: So I worked for a lot of magazines and newspapers
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  Speaker 2: in New Zealand and Australia as a freelance health journalist.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm also the author of three holistic women's health books,
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  Speaker 2: all of which are now out of print. That was
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  Speaker 2: several years ago. So that was my background pre pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm telling you that so that you can understand
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  Speaker 2: the life experience that I came from. And so with
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  Speaker 2: that background, I obviously watched the development of the vaccines,
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  Speaker 2: which from herein and will call their injectibles because they're
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  Speaker 2: clearly not vaccines, but I watched the development of that
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  Speaker 2: with great interest. Obviously, having researched and written about other vaccines,
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  Speaker 2: real vaccines as a freelance journalist, I'd written a series
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  Speaker 2: on flu MMR, shingles and guard as cell so I
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  Speaker 2: had some idea of what was involved in the research
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  Speaker 2: and development for a traditional vaccine, knowing it was somewhere
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  Speaker 2: between eight and up to fifteen years from the concept
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  Speaker 2: to the product being authorized. Therefore, I could easily spot
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  Speaker 2: the differences between this playbook and you know, what had
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  Speaker 2: been medical practice up until now. And so it was
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  Speaker 2: that awareness and the contrast that alerted me to the
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  Speaker 2: fact that we were saying something unprecedented and potentially was
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  Speaker 2: serious problems, which turned out to be true, of course.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, So if we go back into twenty twenty,
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  Speaker 1: which I hate to do but unfortunately we have to
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  Speaker 1: do this, when we were talking about the vaccines, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, as you did, vaccines and what that meant
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  Speaker 1: for the world, especially in Western countries, I think all
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  Speaker 1: of us were watching the leaders that were basically working
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  Speaker 1: in lockstep at the time, right, and they were all
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  Speaker 1: saying the same things. They all had the same agenda,
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  Speaker 1: and it all happened at exactly the same time, as
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  Speaker 1: though suddenly whatever this thing was, apparently according to them,
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  Speaker 1: you know, flew out of China and flew all over
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  Speaker 1: the world immediately, and suddenly we all had to stay
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  Speaker 1: at home, right, or as we saw with Boris Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: you must stay at home.
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  Speaker 3: And I will never forget that moment.
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  Speaker 1: On TV when he slammed his fifth on the desk,
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  Speaker 1: Get ten down the street, right. So you know, what
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  Speaker 1: was it like in New Zealand at the time, because
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  Speaker 1: I was watching New Zealand, Canada, Australia in particular as
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  Speaker 1: being even more draconian than it was here in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: So what was that like at that point for you?
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  Speaker 2: I would say, yes, we were definitely more draconians. So
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty when everything kicked off, we had a
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  Speaker 2: labor government in New Zealand and our esteemed leader was
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  Speaker 2: they now infamous and world famous female prime minister just
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  Speaker 2: under our Durn. And it's a tail or two halves now,
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  Speaker 2: which is Sinda Adurn because I see the international publicity
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  Speaker 2: where she's you know, worshiped and adored and bestowed with
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  Speaker 2: all kinds of honorary awards, and for many people that
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  Speaker 2: is that is not how we feel about her in
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand. But we can come back to that, we
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  Speaker 2: can talk about that. So she was our Prime minister
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  Speaker 2: and we had a policy. She had a policy go early,
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  Speaker 2: go hard, and boy did they mean it. So we
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  Speaker 2: very quickly capitalized on the fact that we are a
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  Speaker 2: very remote island, surrounded, you know, completely on all sides
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  Speaker 2: by the ocean. We're not attached to any other land mass,
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  Speaker 2: and so very quickly our policy was to shut down
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  Speaker 2: the borders, call the National's home, give them a very
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  Speaker 2: small window of time to get back into New Zealand,
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  Speaker 2: shut the balls, and we became fortress New Zealand for
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  Speaker 2: the longest time. And actually many New Zealanders who hadn't
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  Speaker 2: been able to get back in that short window of
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  Speaker 2: time ended up being locked out of New Zealand for
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  Speaker 2: up to two years, unable to return. So besides locking
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  Speaker 2: the borders were the main principle was to shut the
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  Speaker 2: borders and then lock the Nationals down, so lock the
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  Speaker 2: community down. I think they were called lockdowns in the UK.
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  Speaker 2: They were called lockdowns there, and they were literally that
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  Speaker 2: just everything stopped, all services stopped, except essential services like
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  Speaker 2: you know, food, shopping, pharmacies and medical care. Basically everything
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  Speaker 2: else shut down and we were told to stay home. Auckland.
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  Speaker 2: Over the period of the active COVID response, which lasted
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years, Auckland was hit the hardest of
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  Speaker 2: all with lockdowns and many many news many many New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand businesses and in particular Auckland businesses have gone to
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  Speaker 2: the wall. So that was the start of our response,
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  Speaker 2: Go early, go hard. I think the same playbook. Just
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  Speaker 2: about all the Western countries that I'm aware of, the
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  Speaker 2: developed Western nations, we all appeared to have the same playbook.
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  Speaker 2: You know, later on in our response we can talk
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  Speaker 2: about you know, in came employment mandates, COVID vaccination mandates,
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  Speaker 2: and in came COVID vaccine passes as well, so you
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  Speaker 2: basically had to have a pass to partake in life
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  Speaker 2: once we came out of lockdown. So we can talk
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  Speaker 2: more about that if you want. So it was a
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  Speaker 2: very very severe, draconian response in New Zealand, largely because
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  Speaker 2: this was the rationale that was portrayed to the people anyway,
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  Speaker 2: largely because our healthcare infrastructure in New Zealand is actually
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  Speaker 2: quite poor in terms of high high dependency unit and
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  Speaker 2: intensive care unit care. We have got one of the
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  Speaker 2: lowest beds per capita in the developed world in New Zealand,
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  Speaker 2: and so that was the rationale for going hard, going early.
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  Speaker 2: If COVID was left to rip through our population, we
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  Speaker 2: simply didn't have the you know, the projected requirements for
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  Speaker 2: intensive care capacity.
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that happened over here in the UK,
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  Speaker 1: and I was in Scotland in twenty twenty was it
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  Speaker 1: was quite obvious early on that it was over here
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  Speaker 1: at least a power politically, because Scotland went harder than
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  Speaker 1: England and Wales. So Nicholas Sturgeon and all of her
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  Speaker 1: wonderful glory that was sarcastic, she decided that she was
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  Speaker 1: going to make it more obvious that she obviously cared
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  Speaker 1: more about the people of Scotland than Boris Johnson cared
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  Speaker 1: about the people of England, for example. But the thing,
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  Speaker 1: the interesting thing about it, watching New Zealand, watching Australia,
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  Speaker 1: watching Canada, it was that none of it was actually
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  Speaker 1: enforced here. It was like you were told that you
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  Speaker 1: had to do these things, you were told that you
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  Speaker 1: had to stay home here.
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  Speaker 3: But they didn't really follow through.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when I was still working at the universities
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  Speaker 1: and the university system at the time, and we weren't
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  Speaker 1: allowed to be going to campus and the students were
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  Speaker 1: strounded in their rooms and all of that.
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  Speaker 3: So that was the buildings were and you couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: But then when we.
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  Speaker 1: Got to twenty twenty one and they started rolling out
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  Speaker 1: the medical devices whatever, injectibles.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever you want to call injectibility.
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  Speaker 1: That part was not enforced because I just didn't say
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  Speaker 1: anything there there was I didn't fly anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't fly anywhere.
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  Speaker 1: And the only real, the real serious consequence that happened
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  Speaker 1: for me was that my mother passed away on a
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  Speaker 1: ventilator in December of twenty twenty one.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was not able to go back for
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  Speaker 1: her before or after she died because I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: any injectibles and I wouldn't shove any sticks up my
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  Speaker 1: nose to do anything else. So I couldn't even get
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  Speaker 1: into my country of origin. So but within Scotland itself,
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  Speaker 1: there was no unless you were trying to board a plane.
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  Speaker 1: There was and maybe uncertain professors where maybe in the NHS.
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  Speaker 1: You maybe it was maybe stricter, but for me, there
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  Speaker 1: was nothing that where I had to show proof of
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  Speaker 1: It was very different.
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  Speaker 2: It was very different here because everything was very closely
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  Speaker 2: and tightly enforced. The vaccinated who then had a it
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  Speaker 2: was a digital pass on their phone. For most people,
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  Speaker 2: you know, some elderly people who didn't have a smartphone
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  Speaker 2: would have a paper pass, but for the vast majority,
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  Speaker 2: it was a digital pass and you scanned into premises,
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  Speaker 2: you know, shops and cinemas and everything, and there were
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was always a guard or somebody on
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  Speaker 2: the door to ensure that you scanned in, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and if you broke lockdown rules or you know, you
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  Speaker 2: went swimming or you're on the beach, all of those
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  Speaker 2: places were surveiled. The police would pick you up, they
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  Speaker 2: would issue were fine, unless you're in some extremely remote
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  Speaker 2: part of part of New Zealand and the you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're on a beach in Auckland, the police would
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  Speaker 2: would come and speak to you and issue were fine.
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  Speaker 2: So it was difficult to bend the rules here.
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  Speaker 3: Right then.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I observed from a distance, So you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's unfortunate but interesting to hear when I've heard from
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  Speaker 1: people who were actually in those settings that that was
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  Speaker 1: really importanced because you know, we would see these sort
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  Speaker 1: of clips on social media, you know, just a family
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  Speaker 1: minding their own business on the beach and then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden they're being arrested and everyone is terrified,
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  Speaker 1: and you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I would say that the Australian response was
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  Speaker 2: even more physically aggressive the Australian police turned out in general,
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  Speaker 2: except for the terrible events that happened at the Parliament
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  Speaker 2: Grounds occupation that you're probably aware of, what we call
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  Speaker 2: Freedom Village, that ended, you know as a virtual blood
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  Speaker 2: bath with a lot of people being injured by the
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  Speaker 2: police response. Except for that, generally the Australian physical brutality
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  Speaker 2: was greater. Not many people were assaulted with truncheons if
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  Speaker 2: they were on the beach breaking the lockdown rules. Where
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  Speaker 2: the Australia that happened, you know a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: were actually physically assaulted when they refused to comply with
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  Speaker 2: you know, lockdown events. So it was more more physically
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  Speaker 2: aggressive in Australia than New Zealand, except for the Freedom
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  Speaker 2: Village response.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was living within the city of Glasgow with
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  Speaker 1: in this time period. And one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I think was interesting, and I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 1: because Nikola Sturgeon lives in.
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  Speaker 3: Glasgow what it was, but that was actually stricter.
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  Speaker 1: Than even in the rest of Scotland, and Scotland was
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  Speaker 1: stricter than England. Right, So they said you can't more
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  Speaker 1: than five miles away from your house, as though if
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  Speaker 1: you went six miles away from your house you would die.
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  Speaker 3: Of COVID, but five miles from your house you were fine.
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  Speaker 3: And so I it was just my personal way of protesting.
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  Speaker 3: Every week I went to buy my groceries a place that.
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  Speaker 1: Was six miles away, just so that I could prove
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  Speaker 1: that I wasn't going to die of COVID because I
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  Speaker 1: drove a mile too, you know, to get to my
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  Speaker 1: grocery shopping. But it and you know, there were the
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  Speaker 1: thing that was the interesting thing part of here, And
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  Speaker 1: I'm wondering if I don't know if this what they
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  Speaker 1: had here was the track and trade system that the government,
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  Speaker 1: the NHS, in turn, of course, spent millions on where
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  Speaker 1: you were supposed to once you were so called allowed
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  Speaker 1: to go into a pub or you know, eat something
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  Speaker 1: in a restaurant.
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  Speaker 3: That you could.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're supposed to check in and scan a
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  Speaker 1: QR code and say yes, I'm here and all of this,
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  Speaker 1: And the first few times when I started to see
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  Speaker 1: my friends again go out to places, and they were
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  Speaker 1: all doing it, and I was at that point where
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  Speaker 1: I was so I stayed quiet, and that was my
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  Speaker 1: survival mechanism up to a certain point, because I had
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  Speaker 1: so many friends who bought into the whole thing, and
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  Speaker 1: I was actually afraid to say anything for a while,
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  Speaker 1: just socially. I've kind of lost these friends since then
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  Speaker 1: because eventually I just gave up and quite trying. But
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  Speaker 1: I remember doing things like check checking my emails on
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  Speaker 1: my phone, pretending I was checking in, but actually I
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  Speaker 1: was just answering a text mestage or something because I
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  Speaker 1: was just trying to play along.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had exactly the same system. This is what's
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  Speaker 2: so interesting. If you talk to somebody in America or
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  Speaker 2: Canada or all of the developed Western nations, we all
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  Speaker 2: had the same playbook, and we also had the QR
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  Speaker 2: code scan and with the track and trace system, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and you'd have a bizarre experience, like you know, if
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  Speaker 2: if there was a case of COVID in Kmart, you know,
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  Speaker 2: which is like a huge department store, and your track
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  Speaker 2: and trace showed that you'd been in the in the
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  Speaker 2: store at the same time. You might have been on
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  Speaker 2: a different floor and you might have been in the store,
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  Speaker 2: you know, for two minutes and nowhere near the person.
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  Speaker 2: But then you were basically put on mandatory lockdown and
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  Speaker 2: your home for the period of time got shorter as
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  Speaker 2: the months went by. But I think to begin where
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  Speaker 2: it may have been, I can't remember, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it might have been ten days. This is after the
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  Speaker 2: actual lockdowns. But if you had the misfortune of you know,
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  Speaker 2: your track and trace system showing that you're in Camar
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  Speaker 2: when one person with COVID was in Kmart, that was it.
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  Speaker 2: You were on mandatory basically house arrest for ten days.
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  Speaker 2: Over the years, the amount of mandatory time you had
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  Speaker 2: to stay home stay home did decrease, but it was outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it caused mayhem for people in their lives
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  Speaker 2: and businesses because suddenly, you know, lockdowns were finished, you
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  Speaker 2: finally got your business open again, and then you had
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  Speaker 2: the misfortune of being pinged by a track and trace
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  Speaker 2: and you were back home again.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds so stressful. I mean, I can't imagine like
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  Speaker 1: living under that kind of uncertainty. Uncertainty it's hard to
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  Speaker 1: live with anyway, in any situation, and considering what we're
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  Speaker 1: living under it but not knowing it for well, I'd
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  Speaker 1: be large leave the house, Tomount. It sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: child who was bad and the parents grounded them for
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  Speaker 1: coming home to you later or something.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we all had a national system what was
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  Speaker 2: it called a civil defense alert system. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you have them. We all have them on our smartphones.
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  Speaker 3: I've turned my nam yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: And so when when it was decided, usually the lockdowns
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  Speaker 2: were decided by and they started at midnight that night.
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  Speaker 2: Literally they would decide. They would announce, like in the
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  Speaker 2: one o'clock press briefing, you know, Auckland or New Zealand
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  Speaker 2: is going into lockdown for seven days or ten days
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  Speaker 2: or two weeks starting at midnight tonight, and we'd get
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  Speaker 2: the civil defense alert on our phone who you know,
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  Speaker 2: the alarm and then the notice coming up you know,
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  Speaker 2: as of midnight tonight, you know Auckland is in lockdown.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. It was terrifying and it's interesting that
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  Speaker 2: so many of us I've talked about it on the
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  Speaker 2: health foreign platforms, but so many people have a PTSD
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  Speaker 2: response now when that alarm goes off on their phone,
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  Speaker 2: because we even get them now for weather warnings, heavy
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  Speaker 2: rain warnings, you know, extremely heavy rain warnings and that
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  Speaker 2: or golf on the phone, and we're programmed now into
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  Speaker 2: a PTSD response with heart racing and sweating and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's just the real deal.
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  Speaker 1: So I know that there are settings on my phone
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  Speaker 1: that I've found where to turn off. There's like alerts,
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  Speaker 1: and there's extreme alerts, and there's I forget what they're called.
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  Speaker 2: Extreme extreme alerts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it GE's like worse and worse, right, But not everyone,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe in different countries. I know, like
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  Speaker 1: in the UK that in some cases the you know,
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  Speaker 1: the phone providers that can only turn on or off
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: certain things and privacy settings are different in different countries.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I will check it out because I would like to
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: take my phone for sure, go in.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: And find the settings and you can switch it off
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: at least for now and at least here in this country.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: But you might have to check on what's going on
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: over there.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I will, yeah, because the the What happened was
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I think it was. They
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: announced they were going to do a test of the system,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: and everyone started passing around messages saying, here's where you
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: do it on your phone to turn it off so
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that you don't have a panic attack when this happens
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: at a certain time.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Here's everyone right. Yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So then we go into twenty twenty one and here
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: in the UK they started saying, well, we're going to
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: start rolling out these injectibles. We had people who started
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: They started with what they call the vulnerable to people
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: over a certain age, so they kind of worked backwards
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: from elderly people all the way back down into children eventually.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: And that's how they did it here.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So you were supposed to wait until you were told,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: you know, your age group can show up, and then
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to go in and get your time booked.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: So was it the same approach in New Zealand?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Pretty much? So we were about our role. Our first
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: injection started around the twentieth of February twenty twenty one.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: We have used almost exclusive Phisa mRNA about ten thousand
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Estra Zanika and even fewer Novovaks and the rest of
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: all being Phiser mRNA. So that landed and started the
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: rollout towards the end of February twenty twenty one. I
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: think the very first people to receive it were actually
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: border workers, airport workers, port workers and then what we
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: called MiQ, the system where anybody that came into New
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Zealand was quarantined for two weeks in huge hotels. Many
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: of the hotels in New Zealand were commandeered by the
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: government to use as mandatory isolation for anybody coming over
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: the border. For two weeks. They were literally kept in
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: their rooms for all but one hour a day where
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: they were taken out in small numbers into it and
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: closed exercise yard. I mean it was like prison full on.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: So workers there and port workers, airport workers were the
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: first people, and then we followed you in that. We
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: started with frail elderly you know, and worked backwards eventually
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: coming to children and then last of all infants from
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: six months to four years. So our role out was
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like in England really,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: but here it was a site to behold because the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: narrative from the government and just under Adourn and the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Ministry of Health was that the vaccine was the holy
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Grail and was absolutely the one way we were going
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: to get our lives back. It was without question going
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to save us. It was our roots back to normality.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: There was never any discussion, any public debate or genuine
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: informed consent process around pros and cons individual risks and benefits.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: So with that being the background, they poured hundreds of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: millions of dollars into massive infrastructure to roll the injectables
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: out rapidly. At the height of the rollout, remembering that
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: our entire country, we've got about five point one million
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: people living here, so we're tiny, you know, compared to UK.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: But at the height of the rollout they were doing,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: they were administering up to one hundred thousand doses a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: week for a tiny country like this, with massive vaxathons,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: vax hubs, you know, big sports stadiums were commandeered, massive
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: car parks where you could do drive through jabs and
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: just pull over for fifteen minutes, you know, wind your
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: window down, stick your arm out, pull over and sit
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes and drive away, you know, to do shopping.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: So the the obsessive focus, with no other discussion, not
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: a single dollar was spent in New Zealand for any
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: public education campaigns to teach people about, you know, the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: connection between obesity and massively increased risk. No money was
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: spent to educate people about the self help measures they
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: could take in terms of lifestyle or healthy nutrition or
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: sun exposure sit them in d status and the correlation
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: with their risk. So nobody was taught anything except the
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: vaccine was going to save us and the unvaccinated potentially
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: would kill us. The unvaccinated would kill the vaccinated. Go figure.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I remember that, and I had some people when I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: finally told a group of people that I was not
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: going to get vaccinated, and I, like I said, I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: stayed quiet and just quietly observed, didn't say anything for
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: a while until I started to speak up and share
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: what I was being noticing because I was also watching
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: UK column in twenty twenty, right before I had the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: privilege of working for them. But you know what had
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: happened was eventually I said to a group of friends
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: who were all about the vaccine, and I felt like
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: I had to make a confession to them, and I
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: was afraid of losing their friendships. And they said, I'm
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: not getting vaccinated, and I asked, I said that I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: had actually, and this is true, because this is how
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: I think the doctors knew a lot more than what
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: they said in the start, because I heard on the news,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: on UK column news and even on the.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: BBC actually that there was this.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Well the BBC downplay there was the tiny, smallest risk
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: of a blood clot if you took the astra zeneca right,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: which was the majority of what they were giving out
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: here in the beginning. I had a DVT in twenty
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: thirteen from another medication, from taking hormonal medications for endometriosis.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I was the one percent. It's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the one percent of women who take world contraceptives that
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: get this. Well, I was the one percent. And I
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: know that once you've had one, you're at higher risk
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: of another one. So first time I heard this, I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: called my GP and I said, what do you think
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: should I take it? This doesn't sound safe for me.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I have a lot of risk factors for another blood
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: clot And he said.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: No, you are definitely at higher.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Risk of dying of another blood clot than you are
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of dying from any sort of respiratory illness.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: My goodness, you had an honest doctor.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe he already knew well enough that I
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to buy into anything else. But you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: it just showed me that there were some that, whether
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: or not they were honest, they knew. And maybe I'm
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: hoping that that was I'm hoping that they knew. But
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: I'm also disappointed in all of them for going along
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: with it because over here, I think they got, you know,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: twelve pounds per JAB administered or something. You know, that
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: was the financial incentives for their practices.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And so we had all doctors, vaccinators, pharmacists who were
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: vaccinating the Eve between thirty eight and forty eight New
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Zealand dollars per JAB based on was it during the day,
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: was it on a weekend? Was it on an evening.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Many of our pharmacies have become multi millionaires and our
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: doctor practices as a result of the COVID windfall for
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: being paid per PCR tests stick up your nose and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: per dose for the JAB, and our healthcare system is
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: in a complete shambles. I don't know what the NHS
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: is like right now, but our healthcare system appears to
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: be imploding around us for a lot of different reasons.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: But if we put the hospital system to one side.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: We have a catastrophic breakdown of trust with New Zealanders,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: many hundreds of thousands, potentially millions of adult New Zealanders
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: no longer being able to trust their GPS or the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: doctors in the hospital. And partly that came about because
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the New Zealand Medical Council issued effectively gag orders to
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: all their members, and this was then followed by all
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the healthcare registration bodies, including the Naturopathic Registration, the Acupuncture, chiropractice, physiotherapist,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: dentists and Nursing Council. They all effectively were gagged and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: told that they were not allowed to post publicly or
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: speak in consultations anything that instilled doubt or negativity about
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: the safety or the efficacy of the COVID vaccines. And
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: so as a result of that, very few New Zealanders
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: received a genuine, honest risk benefit appraisal or an informed
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: consent process. And as increasing numbers of New Zealanders have
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: become aware of that, the trust has been irrevocably breaken down,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: broken down, and in the Health Forum our membership, we
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: have a large social media presence for the work that
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: we do across Facebook, x and Telegram. We've got well
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: over seventy thousand members across those platforms, and the vast
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: majority of those members are New Zealanders, and the vast
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: majority of them say they will never again trust a doctor.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Many of them have said they're finished with orthodox healthcare
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and they'd rather die at home than go to a hospital.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're in very and very radically entrenched positions
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: of fear and distrust of the medical system in New
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Zealand as a result of the COVID response.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, NHS is in complete melted out mode as well,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: and has been for the past few years.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: And it's I'm sure that the issues.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Might be quite similar where you know, at least here
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: you can't get an appointment for days. You might you
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: can make call and ask for an appointment, and there's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: maybe something.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: Three weeks from then.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Same here.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was going through that time period when
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you weren't even allowed to go into a practice and
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: I have a thyroid condition, I'm supposed to have my
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: bloods monitored, I wasn't even able to get in to
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: get my blood monitored because they wouldn't let me into
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the practice to have my bloods taken and I'm supposed
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to be in every six months. And so the impact
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: of people who had actual health conditions that were impacted
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: on I mean, mine's not life threatening, but people who
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: had you know, different cancer diagnoses, things that were not
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: even related to or existed before they might have become
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: vaccine injured. The impact in those people's lives our health
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I was incredibly substantial. And the NHL is still is
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: still just breaking down, so that that is one similarity
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: over here.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, and and you know, I think it's interesting when
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: we because UK column, we have said this whole time
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: and we need to continue to say this, that.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: We will never abandon those who are vaccine injured. And
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the problem is that a lot of the people over
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: here on the side that have been vaccine injured, who
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: are working hard, who are speaking out, trying to fight
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: for what they've lost, for the people who are already gone,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and for the people who are permanently disabled from aside
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: from what happens to them, it's absolutely devastating to see
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: what happens and they feel completely lost and without any
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: any help. So we do what we can. We're a
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: small team, and there you know, there are very few
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: media outlets over here or anywhere that are willing to
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: speak about this, and this is where I would like
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: to maybe even started talking about the Health Forum. So
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: if maybe you can give the audience a little bit
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: of background to the Health Forum, kind of where in
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: all of this madness it started and what it started
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: from and kind of what to do with it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Absolutely so. Having explained a little about my background thirty
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: five years and healthcare as a practitioner myself plus a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: freelance health researcher and journalist, so I was equipped to
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: see the red flags, some of which we've already talked about.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: And when the Pfizer MR and A landed in New
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Zealand to overwhelming fanfare and cheerleading from the New Zealand
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: government and jubilation from the vast majority of the New
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Zealand population believing it was the holy Grail and it
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: finally arrived, I thought I was the odd one out
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: because I had all kinds of concerns because in that
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: year of twenty twenty, I'd been following the development, I'd
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: been researching the history of mRNA and lipid nanoparticles, and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I knew that prior to Pfizer and Maderna deciding that
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: this was the platform they were going to use to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: roll out to know potentially seven billion human beings around
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: the planet. Prior to that, decade long history of mRNA
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: was that they'd never been able to bring a successful
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: commercial product to market because of the fraught risk benefit
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: profile of the product, and up until using it for
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: a global rollout, it had only ever been used for
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: individual care, often for people with terminal cancer where they
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: were going to die anyway. So if they died from
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: mRNA toxicity or harm, well, they were already going to die.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Such was the risk benefit basis. So the more I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: learned about the platform, and the more I learned about
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the troublesome nature of lipid nanoparticles, the fact that they
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: traversed the body, the fact that they cross all the
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: cellular membranes and the blood brain barrier, and they're highly inflammatory,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I became increasingly consumed about this product that was coming
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: to New Zealand. I started watching the government pharmacovigilance databases
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Yellow card there's in America, and because I'd looked at
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: those pharmaco vigilant databases for other genuine vaccines in the past,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I quickly saw what I thought was the difference, the
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: severity a lot of a lot of the reports, the
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: multi system nature of them, the immediate obvious cardiac effects
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: that were being reported. So I had my red alert
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: buttons going, and I consoled myself with the belief that
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: once it landed in New Zealand, people who were genuinely,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: you know, academically qualified to speak out about this subject
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: would do so, you know, the immunologists, the vaccinologists, the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: doctors with forty years of experience, they obviously must be
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: sharing my concern. So the product landed, the role out started.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I waited and I waited. Nobody was saying anything. The
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: doctors were silent. I don't know what your tagline was
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: in UK, but our marketing tagline, twenty four hours a day,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: literally on every media platform, written, TV, radio, was a
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: three line, three word tagline, safe and effective. Safe and effective.
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: Was it the same in UK? It was deep and
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: effective and effective. So people started lining up for the jabs.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Still nobody spoke out, and one day, probably three months
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: into the rollout, I was so frustrated that I decided
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I would start a Facebook group where I could start
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: posting my observation from pharmacovigilant starter bases, and some of
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: the early preprint science that were starting to come out,
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: and some of the early overseas experts that were starting
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: to you know, speak up, you know tests. I can't
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: remember exactly at what point, but the wonderful tests Laurie
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: for example, in UK, and the American cardiologists Peter McCullough
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: they were, and Robert Malone they were, you know, early
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: voices of expertise that started speaking out. So I started
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: this Facebook group called the Health Forumn ZED. I thought
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: maybe a thousand people would join me to see what
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I was talking about. Actually, what happened was fifty eight
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: thousand people joined me, all but five thousand of them
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: were New Zealanders. Because on Facebook you can actually monitor
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the demographics of where people have joined from. We lasted
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: for nine months in our original iteration, our fifty eight
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: thousand member group lasted nine months before one night, we
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: were just deplatformed overnight by Facebook. I'll give you some
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: reason why our membership. Of course, when I started the process,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: it was very academic, and I was thinking of it
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: being quite an academic process. You know, we could analyze things,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I could share the science. I never really stopped to
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: think on that day when I set the group up that,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: of course what was going to happen in New Zealand
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: was what was already happening in Israel and America. In UK.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: We were going to have vaccine injured people and sure
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: enough the collateral damage started to build up. There was
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: no safe place for these For those people in New Zealand,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: they were completely shunned and abandoned, as they are to
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: this very day. They were completely ignored by the government,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: by the legacy media, by their doctors who gaslighted them
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: and refused to believe that the safe and effected could
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: possibly have harmed them in anyway. So where was the
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: one safe place they could find? While it turned out
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: it was actually the Health fore Men's add a virtual
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: community closed Facebook group, and they joined us in their thousands,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: and then by November twenty twenty one, we had some
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: of the strictest employment mandates COVID vaccine employment mandates some
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: of the strictest and most far reaching in the world.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Forty percent of our employees workforce across many professions were
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: mandated to take two or three fires at mRNA to
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: keep their jobs, and so many of those people who
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: lost their careers, their professions, their homes, their marriages, their mana,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: they lost it all, they joined us as well, and
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: so we became a deeply traumatized community where we offered
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: compassion support, We cultivated non judgmental non judgementalism, which we
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: do to this day. We worked hard to be bridge
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: builders to try to bring back the vaccinated, the unvaccinated,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the injured, the non injured, to try to build compassion
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: and understanding in the face of military grade psychological operations
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: work with budgets of hundreds of millions of dollars to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: do the exact opposite, to drive wedges and marriages, families, workplaces,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: to scapegoat the unvaccinated and have them cast aside in
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: order to drive uptake of the MR and A product.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: So we became that safe place. It was madness. It
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: was I can honestly say that first nine months was
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the most intense time of my life. At our height,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: we had about forty people working for the Health Forum Forum.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: None of us get any money. To this day, we're
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: all volunteers. We don't have any sponsorship other than the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: occasional kind person that sees the donate button on our website.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: We don't have any corporate sponsors or government sponsors, and
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: so we did what we could for that community. And
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: over that time, I know UK Colin News experienced it
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: as well. The censorship was ferocious, and so it was
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the censorship that finally took our group down because we
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: were telling the truth. We were speaking the truth, not
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: the propaganda. We were sharing real stories of you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: brutally injured and maimed people from the safe and effective.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: We were sharing stories of people whose children had died
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: in New Zealand from the injection, or you know, their
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: mother had died. And we were also sharing the preprint
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: and then the peer reviewed science. My voice was brutally muted,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: so I would get rolling back to back one month bands,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and when my actual voice was unlocked, often last twenty
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: four hours. Being so careful what I posted, I'd last
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: twenty four hours before they put me back in a
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: one month ban. Four things like early on in our membership,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: we spotted what we thought was an early signal for
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: my carditis, long before anybody was talking about it publicly.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: We asked our members about my carditis and cardiac events,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: what were they witnessing what was happening to them, and
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: so I started writing about it, saying, hey, this is unprecedented,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: what's all this cardiac stuff that's happening. That was a
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: one month ban. I got a one month ban for
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: publishing a peer reviewed paper which documented the now widely
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: accepted fact that vitamin D status has a lot to
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: do with your risk of you know, infection, hospitalization, and death.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: That was a one month ban. Another one my men
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: ban was for talking about the early signal again that
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I thought I detected in our thousands strong membership for
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: female menstrual disorders. Of course, the maya charditis and the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: female menstrual mayhemm is now mainstream, It's now acknowledged as
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: they are serious adverse events with COVID injectables. So it
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: was just a crazy time working with a deeply traumatized population.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: So within that, we had our social media group. I
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: was receiving at the height of that, up to five
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: hundred private messages a day PMS through our Facebook page.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I had a team of people who were literally just
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: knocking off all the ones they could, you know, all
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the ones that were just like a video link being
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: sent and then forwarding to me the desperate pleas for
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: health help, and they would be still one hundred to
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: two hundred people a day, and I would try and
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: respond to those as best as I could. So we're
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: back on Facebook. We're actually thriving on Facebook now. We're
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: called True Stories from the Health Forum end Z. We're
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: growing very rapidly and Facebook are being very kind to us. Now.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: We've got a large reach. We've got about three million
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: views a month currently on Facebook for our work. So
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: come join us if you want to see what we're doing.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: And besides the social media, we actively help and support
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: mRNA Harmed New Zealanders, so we direct them to healthcare.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: We have a sadly very short database of doctors and
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: specialists who are not gas lighting the vaccindered, and so
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: we help people find their way to those practitioners. We
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: help them find advocates for accident compensation applications, so that's
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: our compensation system supposedly for vaccine injuries. We help them
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: find lawyers for employment cases. We send them resources. We
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: also guide a lot of them to the small group
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: of New Zealand doctors, amazing doctors New Zealand doctors speaking
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: out with science ends their DSOs. That is the organization
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: of honest doctors who have made it their business to
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: research and find solutions for MR and A harm. So
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: we're very busy to this day and we've become a
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: primary voice in New Zealand for the mRNA harmed New
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Zealanders of which there are thousands, and they're still gaslighted,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: they're still ignored, and they're still silenced by legacy media.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: It's the exact same over here. I know that you've
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: done an incredible amount of work. Are there any other
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: people that are working with you on this team that
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: you would like to mention and kind of their roles
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: as well, because you can't possibly be doing all of
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: this alone.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you, Thank you so much for giving me
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: that opportunity. Yes, there are. Our team is a lot
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: smaller than it was at her at the heyday of
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: that busy group. But one of the things that so
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I have amazing moderators who I couldn't run the Facebook
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: page without them. So that's Lisa and Karen. They're really
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: hard working and they're incredible and one of the things
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: we've been doing for three years. We quickly became the
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: repository for people sharing their personal stories with us of
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: serious injectable harm, and we realized quite early on that
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: this was really special information. We needed to do something
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: with it, and so we established a what we call
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: a citizens Database of serious adverse events and deaths. And
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: so we started with quite a large team, predominantly mandated
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: out nurses. That team has got smaller over time because
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: we have fewer reports coming through now because fewer people
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: are taking new doses. But we still have a team
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: of mandated out healthcare professionals headed by a nurse, collecting
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: first person reports, very detailed first person reports of harm
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: or the families of those who have died. And we
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: have hundreds and hundreds of those reports which we have
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: anonymized and submitted as part of our submission to the
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: New Zealand Royal Royal Commission inquiry into the COVID response.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Incredible team right at the cold face, listening to deep
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: trauma and you know, reading about it all day every day.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: So deeply grateful for that team. We've all so along
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: the way had acc advisors working with us, We've had
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: lawyers working with us. We don't so much have in
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: house lawyers and acc advocates now, but we do have
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: an out of house network that we work with and
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: who support us. So yeah, and then we of course
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: have the moderators on our other platforms as well. So
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: still an amazing team of volunteers.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: So you know, we have these inquiries going on in
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: different countries now, right, So there's the Scottish COVID Inquiry.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: My group that i'm I'm the executive committee for called
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Common Knowledge Edinburgh. A few months ago we had what
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: we cubs god as People's COVID Inquiry.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, I followed that, Yeah, video clips on Twitter.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a presentation there about the fear and
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: the media campaign and we had some amazing speakers with
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: doctor Liz Evans and a whole program of experts in
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: their areas on the topic. And so what we wanted
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: to do is actually give people a voice, and we
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: had a great turnout and people who came and shared
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: their personal stories. What's been unique about the Scottish COVID
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Inquiry is that you have to go far into the
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: website to find it, but all of these recordings of
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: people who are coming in and sharing their stories about
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: you know, what happens to them or to their family
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: members at the time that whether or not they act
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: on all of this evidence. But the stories that people
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: came in and told, both in the official documents documented
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: government inquiry as well as on our own acquiry for
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Common Knowledge, have been incredible. And I know that you've
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: just put together a huge mission for the inquiry in
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: New Zealand, if you do want to talk a little
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: bit about that and what was all involved in that,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: because I can't imagine the amount of work.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: That was done for that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, thank you for the opportunity to talk about that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: So we're a bit different in New Zealand because we've
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: already had a supposed inquiry Royal Commission of Inquiry into
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: the New Zealand COVID response under the previous government, the
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Just Cinder during the Labor government we had a well
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: it was actually after Just Cinder Dun but it was
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: still the Labor government. We had a COVID inquiry that
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: had incredibly narrow terms of reference and those terms of
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: reference didn't include anything about vaccines, if you can believe that,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: not a thing. The primary New Zealand response to the
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: COVID you know, to the pandemic situation was the vaccine
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: MR and A and the Royal Commission Inquiry just picked
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: the carpet up and we swept it all in and
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: dropped the dusty carpet down. So as a result of that,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: when we had the elections for the new government, I
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: don't know, I think approximately eighteen months ago, many of
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: us pushed very hard with one party, in particular New
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Zealand First. We pushed very hard, petitioning that party to
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: campaign on a party promise of pushing for a second
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Royal Commission of Inquiry with more realistic terms of reference,
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: so with a big focus on safety and efficacy of
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: the injectables, and with a big focus on employment mandates,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: vaccine employment mandates. And we actually have a three way
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: coalition government and one of that, you know, one of
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: that three way government is and Z First, and so
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: they came in and they did exactly that. They they
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: bargained with the other two parties and we now have
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: a second Royal Commission Inquiry with much broader terms of reference.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: And in this we are allowed to speak about safety
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: and efficacy. So given that we're allowed to speak about safety,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the Health Forum has spent a lot of our enormous
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: submission speaking about the lack of safety you know, we're
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: the number one organization in New Zealand along with New
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Zealand doctors speaking out with science, speaking about injury and
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: death with the injectibles. So a lot of our submission
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: focuses on that particular area and jointly focuses on the
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: ongoing harms from the consequences of employment mandates injection employment mandates.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: So this Phase two of the inquiry, we have new commissioners.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: One of our concerns with Phase one of the inquiry
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: the lead commissioner, many many people had serious doubts about
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: conflicts of interests with that particular person, Tony Blakeley. He
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: had been had hunted by Jasinda ar Deurn. He had
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: been he was an advisor to Dan Andrews in Victoria
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and Australia. He was also an advisor to the New
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: Zealand COVID response, so he was very, very conflicted and
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: he was the leader of the first commission of inquiry.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: This time around, we have three new commissioners, none of
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: whom appear to have any obvious conflicts of interests, and
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I have much greater hopes for honesty and transparency with
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: the findings in Phase two. So we have it's a
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: very short inquiry. It's one year long. O No, it's
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: about fourteen months. The findings will be published in February
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: next year. The New Zealand public had I think it
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: was just short of three months. The public had the
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: opportunity to make their own submission, as did organizations such
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: as the Health Forum. The portal for making submissions closed
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: about four weeks ago now, and the next phase is
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: it's sort of being revealed as it goes along. It's
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: almost like it's been constructed just ahead of the announcements.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: And so one of the phases it was just announced
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: this week is there is going to be a two
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: week period where they will be live streamed public interviews,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: you know, public statements, speakers, you know, perhaps myself as
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: a d SOOS, you know, other experts in New Zealand,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: and that will be live streamed. Unfortunately, it appears it's
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: only two weeks of the entire process that is going
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: to be made visible in a live way. And so
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: whether other interviews are made into clips that are then
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: shared later, I don't know. That hasn't been announced. Their
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: commissioners have confirmed that they will be meeting with me
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: as a representative of New Zealand, you know, injectable, harmed
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: and mandated people. And I have written to them now
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: several times requesting that there can be no worthwhile and
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: open and transparent inquiry without them making serious accommodation for
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: meeting with many, many injured people. It's no use just
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: talking to me. They need to hear from the people
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: who are living with disabilities and hear about what's happened
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: to them. So I've got my foot on the pedal
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: with that, and I'm very hopeful that that will happen.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: So how are you feeling about any potential outcomes from
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: the results of this inquiry? Because I have to admit
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: that I'm not overly optimistic about the ones happening here.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: How are you feeling about it at this point, considering
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the size of your submission and the potential opportunity for
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: people to actually speak out, do you think that there
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: will be a good outcome?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm an unusual male stream of conflicting feelings
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: about that. On the one hand, the way that I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: sustain myself in this work and I keep going is
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: I try to retain hope and faith that ultimately truth
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: and justice will prevail. If I don't keep that faith
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: in the face of seemingly exactly the opposite, I grind
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: to a halt. I can only sustain this work spiritually
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: and emotionally with that concept present, present in my mind
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: and my heart. And then the other side of that,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: you know that the little thing sitting on my shoulder
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: is you know, we look at the evidence. Look, it's
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: what has happened so far and what continues to happen.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: So you know, I've got this push pull thing inside
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: of me, and so that applies to my feelings about
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: the Royal Commission Inquiry as well. I don't envy the
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: task of the commissioners. I think they were not at
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: all prepared for the data and the information that has
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: been laid in front of them. In Phase one of
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: the inquiry under the last government, they received a total
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: of thirteen thousand public submissions, remembering we're a tiny country
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: in Phase two forty eight hours before the public submission
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: portal closed. So at lunchtime on the Friday, the lead
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: commissioner did a media interview in which he shared that
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: they had received seven and a half thousand public submissions
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: in the next forty eight hours before the closing of
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: the portal, the Health Forum New Zealand, doctors speaking out
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: with science, another big platform called reality Check Radio, another
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: big platform called Voices for Freedom. We all worked together
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: to work up a frenzy on social media with just
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: manic posting endless lives. And when we closed, when the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: public when the public submission portal closed forty eight hours
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: after the seven and a half thousand, we closed with
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: thirty one thousand public submissions. So as a result of
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: our social media frenzy, we went from seven and a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: half thousand to thirty one thousand and just over forty
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: eight hours. Because we just stressed over and over again
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: that we had asked for this opportunity to be heard.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: The vacs injured had been begging for an opportunity to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: be heard, and then when they finally got that opportunity,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: they were so disillusioned, so downtrodden, so exhausted by just
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: living through the last four years, so disbelieving that anything
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: could change or anybody would listen to them, that they
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: didn't t haate the opportunity. And so there was a
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: lot of psychology and support and cheerleading went into forty
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: eight hours, and so we were absolutely thrilled. Thirty one
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: thousand and many of those are injured and mandated out people.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: The commissioners were knocked off their feet. They weren't prepared
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: for that. They've had to expand their inquiry team, and
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I don't believe that they will have been in any
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: way prepared for the raw brutality of thousands of the
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: public submissions they have received. And I know what's in
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: those submissions because many of them have come from the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: Health Forum, thousands of them, and most of those people
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: have also sent them to me. They've sent them to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: the Royal Commission Inquiry and sent them to me to
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: be held in a database as well, so we have
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: a permanent record of those submissions. So I've read them,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: thousands of them, and I know what has flooded through
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: that portal. I can guarantee you that those commissioners were
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: not expecting those submissions. So what happens, as it was
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: old of that time will tell, will know by February.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I don't envy their position. I literally pray, I have
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: a faith and I literally pray that they will find
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: the strength, the courage and the resolve to do what
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: is right, to seek justice, to speak truth to to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: be the bridge builders and the voices of reason to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: start repairing the social fabric in New Zealand which appears
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: to be irrevocably harmed. We're a very very fractured society
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: as a result of the New Zealand COVID response, and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: as I pointed out to the Commissioners on more than
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: one occasion and writing, they are in an incredibly privileged
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: and rare position to start that tailing through their honesty.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for that. It's we'll have to wait and see.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: As with all of these inquiries, another one in Scotland
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: and other ones are much longer than yours, and Scotland
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: is about the same size population wise as New Zealand,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: around five million people. So we'll see what happens. We're
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: just about out of time, unfortunately. But I just want
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: to cover one last point, which I know is difficult,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: but I think it needs to be covered and it's
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: not covered enough. Is that UK column has been through this.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: I believe you've been through this. Everyone fighting for freedom
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: and truth is going through this. That for some reason,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: those of us in this movement tend to, for whatever reason,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: either fall victim to or begin the process of trying
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: to cancel each other. Right, so we say, oh, well,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: we can't trust and there's need not even be a
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: real valid reason behind it, or it's irrational, or it's
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: you know, why are you saying this? We're all trying
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: to fight for the same thing, and why are you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: taking sides against people on your own side.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: It's a trauma response. It's a well known psychological feature.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: It's a trauma response.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: And I think this is something that we need to.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: Be aware of because it's there's so few of us
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: that are speaking out that those of us too. Maybe
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: maybe we have some political differences or maybe we have,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: you know, a different way of seeing something, but ultimately
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: we're all trying to fight for economy. We're all trying
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: to fight for but the freedom to live as we
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: know that we should be able to live as human
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: beings on this planet and that we all need.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: To find a way to work together.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: And I'm seeing this trauma response as you called it,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: and I think you're rightfully labeled at that that it's
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: going to hurt us if we don't if we're not
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: aware of it, if we don't face it, if we
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: don't deal with it, and we start to realize that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: maybe we have to Maybe if you are taking the
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: worldview that you can't trust anybody, you have to at
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: least trust that we're all trying to.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Do the right things and not make up things in
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: your head.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm seeing this over and over again, and I'm
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: saying this because everyone in this movement has experienced it.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: I don't do it myself, but a lot of places
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: are doing it. And I just want to put this
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: out there that as we continue to fight this over
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: the next few years, however long it takes until we
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  Speaker 1: get our freedoms back, that we need to stop doing
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  Speaker 1: what we're doing and realize that we really all on
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  Speaker 1: the same side and we can't be taking side to
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  Speaker 1: get people on our same side because it is completely
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  Speaker 1: irrational and illogical. So I just would like you to
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  Speaker 1: see if you have any comments on that as we
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  Speaker 1: start to wrap up.
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  Speaker 2: One hundred percent, Diane, I wholeheartedly agree with what you're saying.
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  Speaker 2: I have steered very cautious ship. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: my nature anyway, but I have been very careful two
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  Speaker 2: to steer my own ship to stay solely in control
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  Speaker 2: of the modus operanda of the health Forum, the values,
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  Speaker 2: the integrity of our organization, and right from the beginning,
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  Speaker 2: I was aware that if I sort of joined with
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  Speaker 2: other organizations in some structured way or official way, I
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  Speaker 2: would lose control of the values and the persona of
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  Speaker 2: our organization and the work we do. And so I
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  Speaker 2: have kept very much our organization stands alone, is what
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to say. But I have great relationships with
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  Speaker 2: all of the other amazing organizations in New Zealand who
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  Speaker 2: you know, are fighting for truth and freedom and justice
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  Speaker 2: for all the harmed people in New Zealand. I work
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  Speaker 2: alongside them separately. The Health Forum can bring something to
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  Speaker 2: the table. Many of them are now my friends. And
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  Speaker 2: perhaps as a result of that, and a result of
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  Speaker 2: the culture that we've worked very very hard to develop
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  Speaker 2: in the Health Forum, I've been incredibly lucky to not
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  Speaker 2: actually be the target of any other I have not
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  Speaker 2: been a victim of vitriol from other freedom groups in
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  Speaker 2: New Zealand. I love it, you know, I'm very thankful
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  Speaker 2: for that. I have been the target from many non
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  Speaker 2: freedom groups who you know, call me an anti vax
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  Speaker 2: learn a cooker can the theorist. None of that worries
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  Speaker 2: me at all. What would worry me more is if
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  Speaker 2: I had torn relationships with the other freedom groups, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm very lucky that I don't. I've got great relationships
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  Speaker 2: with all of them. And I wholeheartedly agree that it's
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  Speaker 2: vital in this world where you know, enormous, wealthy, well
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  Speaker 2: funded forces are doing everything they can to make the
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  Speaker 2: voice of truth and reason disappear. It's essential that we coalesce,
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  Speaker 2: that we trust each other and support each other and work,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: as you know, a pencil movement, one one force going forward.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, one hundred percent agree with you, Diane.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks, Thanks for that.
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  Speaker 1: It's such an important point that we can't let ourselves
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  Speaker 1: get fractured. Is there any other final comments, insights, things
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  Speaker 1: that you would like to say before we end up?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I realized it's getting very late at night your time
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  Speaker 1: as we record this.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, a few things. So I think we can
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  Speaker 2: clearly say five years, five years after you know, the
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  Speaker 2: announcement of the pandemic, we can clearly say that this
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: is still an evolving situation. After several years of all
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: information being suppressed and censored and locked away in cupboards everywhere,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: we're on a roll globally, We're on a role. Just
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  Speaker 2: so much information is coming out, partly as a result
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  Speaker 2: of the Royal Commissions of Inquiry. I'm absolutely ecstatically happy
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  Speaker 2: about what is happening in America with the new HHS Secretary, FDA, CDC,
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  Speaker 2: the new promise transparency. I can't understand why they haven't
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: already removed the mRNA injectivals, but just putting that to
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  Speaker 2: one side, I think so much more awareness and information
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  Speaker 2: is going to come out from America. So we're very
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  Speaker 2: much in an evolving situation, and I think that the
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  Speaker 2: dominoes of truth are going to begin falling with increasing rapidity. Rapidity.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing is self care, right, because this
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  Speaker 2: is a marathon, not a sprint. I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 2: but I started out for the first two years, perhaps
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  Speaker 2: three years, treating it as a sprint, thinking it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be over soon. We're nearly at the finish line
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  Speaker 2: and burning all the resources I had, And now I
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: realize it's a marathon and to sustain this kind of work,
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  Speaker 2: we have to pace ourselves and we have to care
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  Speaker 2: for ourselves. So I'm trying to practice that more now.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing I would say, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: where you are on this. People have got different differing opinions,
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  Speaker 2: But I have spiritual beliefs. I have faith that sustains me,
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  Speaker 2: and I really believe that we are living through spiritual warfare,
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  Speaker 2: and we're living through a time where the fight, the
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  Speaker 2: fight between light and dark, or good and evil, however
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: you want to perceive it, the fight that's always been
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  Speaker 2: there has been revealed all at once. So many areas
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  Speaker 2: of corruption and injustice and evil are being revealed in
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: so many different directions. Not us COVID connected or injectable
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  Speaker 2: connected power structures I believe will topple, and I think
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  Speaker 2: personally we're going to see a lot more mayhem in
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: the years to come, in maybe two to five years
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  Speaker 2: before something new grows from it. So it feels like
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: we're very much in the stormy scene seas right now,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: and we will sail through to calmer water and perhaps
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: a world that we can't yet predict or quantify, you know.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: I think we have to wait and see what's coming
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: while continuing to fight for truth and justice and transparency.
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  Speaker 1: It is definitely a fate between light and dark and
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: brain Garrish talks about the stillwell that we are in
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: a spiritual battle and those are us who are fighting it.
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  Speaker 3: Do you feel it?
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  Speaker 1: I know I get the happiness from it from time
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  Speaker 1: to time, and I really too. Yeah, I have to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: work hard to fight back on it. And because they
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: whatever this thing is, whoever, different people have different ways
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: of expressing spirituality and faith and religion. But whatever this
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: thing is is very heavy, and it comes after those
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: of us who are aware of it and trying to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: stay on the light side. But I want to encourage
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: everyone to not give up, because if more of us
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: work together, I still believe I say this all the time.
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  Speaker 1: If we work locally, as you are in your country,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: as I am in my country, work locally, that's the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: only way we're going to fight this. And we all
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: have to stand up and do something in whatever way
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  Speaker 1: we can to fight. You can't organize, You can't organize
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  Speaker 1: thousands of people, possibly as you have, Linda, but everyone
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: can do something small in their local communities. And the
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: more that we do, the more they're going to be
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: able to say we can't fight against this many people,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: especially if they're going to be getting more and more
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: submissions into your inquire or whatever. This ends up looking like.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: Wherever we are in the world. So I just want
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: to end with that bit of encouragement for everyone to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: try to stand up in whatever way, and the more
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: that we divide each other, the less likely it is
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  Speaker 1: that we're going to be successful fighting these evil spirits
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  Speaker 1: in the end. So I want to I want to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: thank you again Linda for your time. I also want
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  Speaker 1: to thank everyone in New Zealand and everyone down there
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: in Australia, anywhere in whatever part of the world you're in.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Thank you to those of us who work hard here
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: in the UK, and it's always really inspirational to hear
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: that our messages are getting out around the world as
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: well if we continue to expose everything that's going on.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you to those of you. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: Linda for supporting you could column over this time. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for your support and everyone if you get up
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  Speaker 1: and watch it at one pm UK time in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of night New Zealand, which I hope you don't.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you watches some playback, but if you do,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: I know you do. Thank you all again. This is
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: signed Rat with mccattie.
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  Speaker 3: With you k column News.
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  Speaker 1: I've just had a really interesting conversation here with Linda
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  Speaker 1: WARMP Worton from the Health Forum, thank you all again
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  Speaker 1: and I have a wonderful day.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you darn my absolute pleasure. I really appreciate the
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: opportunity to speak to you and thank you UK column News.
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  Speaker 2: Bye everyone, Hi