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Mommy's 'BIBLICAL DIET' kills baby boy · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: We've all heard of every sort of diet there is
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Speaker 1: known to man. You've got keto, You've got fasting, You've
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Speaker 1: got atkins, no fat, no calories, no butter, no faked sugar. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's hard to make sense of it all. But there
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Speaker 1: is one diet you can't forget. It's called the Biblical diet.
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Speaker 1: Now what is that? I'm not sure. I guess you
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Speaker 1: only eat things you read about in the Bible, although
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they don't address diets in the Bible. But
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Speaker 1: how does that relate to murder? You'll find out. NYPD
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Speaker 1: were called to the Greeks families home October thirtieth after
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Speaker 1: a nine one one called just before ten pm. Upon arriving,
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Speaker 1: police found Camary unconscious and unresponsive, with no obvious signs
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Speaker 1: of physical injury. According to police, the child's mother, Carla Griquez,
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Speaker 1: called nine one. The twenty eight year old mother told
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Speaker 1: police she put Camary to sleep and later realized he
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Speaker 1: was unconscious. He was rushed from the family's home on
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Speaker 1: Liberty Avenue to Jamaica Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
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Speaker 1: A little boy dead. Still, how does that relate to
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Speaker 1: a Biblical diet? Let's introduce an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First
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Speaker 1: of all, Melissa Hotmeyer, Prince George County Chief, Special Victims
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Speaker 1: of Family Unit, co founder Right Response Consulting, also No
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Speaker 1: Grey Zone podcast and you can find her at Right
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Speaker 1: Response Consulting dot com. Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining
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Speaker 1: us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. Doctor Michelle Duprie is
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Speaker 1: with US forensic pathologist, former medical examiner, author of Homicide
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Speaker 1: Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abese Field Guide. Also
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Speaker 1: former police detective Dan Scott, former La County share sergeant
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Speaker 1: twenty six years with the Special Victims of Bureau specializing
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Speaker 1: in child abuse. But first to Christie Missouri, Emmy Award
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Speaker 1: winning investigative reporter, Let's just start with a nine one
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Speaker 1: one call. What do we learn from the nine one
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Speaker 1: one call? Why war police? Why was nine one one
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Speaker 1: summoned to the to the home? To start with? Well,
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Speaker 1: because the mom finally found a child unresponsive and cold
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Speaker 1: to the touch. Other family members there they were greatly
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Speaker 1: concerned about the baby. And also, it's my understanding, Christie Missouri,
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Speaker 1: that mommy said when she put him to bed the
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Speaker 1: night before everything was fine. Correct, That is correct. That's
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Speaker 1: what she claims a very different tale when first responders
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Speaker 1: show up on the scene and she's telling a very
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Speaker 1: different tale. Now, guys, I'm trying to figure out how
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Speaker 1: you put a baby to sleep at night and the
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Speaker 1: next morning the baby is d We're talking about seven
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Speaker 1: month old Kamar. You know. Let me go to you, doctor,
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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree. I'm sure it has happened. How would a
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Speaker 1: child What are possible causes of death CODs of a
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Speaker 1: child that you put them to sleep, they're perfectly fine.
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Speaker 1: You wake up them the next morning, they're cold to
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Speaker 1: the touch and dead. Well, Nancy, you're right. There could
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Speaker 1: be several causes. One, of course, is something we call
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Speaker 1: SIDS or sudden unexplained anth of death syndrome. There's specific
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Speaker 1: guidelines for that, and everything else must be ruled out
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Speaker 1: if the child is sleeping with someone else. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: hold on, I don't want to interrupt, but right there,
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Speaker 1: when you said in order to diagnose SID sudden ifi
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Speaker 1: death syndrome, you rule out everything else. So basically SID
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Speaker 1: is a diagnosis by elimination. That's correct. Huh. I don't
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Speaker 1: like that because that doesn't really tell me, it says.
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Speaker 1: That just tells me it wasn't any of the other
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Speaker 1: things you tried. Well, it's like it's like a shoe,
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Speaker 1: doctor Dupree, where you try on all the other shoes
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Speaker 1: and this one doesn't exactly fit, but it's better than
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Speaker 1: the rest, so you go with it. Well, that's why
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Speaker 1: it's sudden unexplained infant death. We don't have another cause
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Speaker 1: of death. I didn't know it was s u I
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Speaker 1: d I thought it was SID SIDS. It's both. There's both,
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Speaker 1: and it's basically the same thing. The new terminology is
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Speaker 1: su IDs. Well, it's new to me. So you're telling
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Speaker 1: me a child and I get it. A child could
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Speaker 1: die of sudden infant death syndrome and it's kind of unexplained,
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Speaker 1: you know, Doctor. Another thing. I can't believe I did this,
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Speaker 1: but I remember traveling with the children now to my
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Speaker 1: parents home, and there was no really good place to
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Speaker 1: set them up when they were infants. So I pulled
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Speaker 1: out a folding bed from a sofa in the front
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Speaker 1: of the home so I wouldn't wake anybody up in
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Speaker 1: the back if they cried, and I put them Doctor Dupree,
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Speaker 1: I'm almost embarrassed to say it. I put them in
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Speaker 1: their car seats, one arms linked from me. I slept
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Speaker 1: right beside them, but they were kind of sitting up.
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Speaker 1: You know, they could, because they were so premature, have
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Speaker 1: tipped their head down and died a positional asphyxia, and
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Speaker 1: I would never have known anything. So that's one way
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Speaker 1: a child could die positional asphyxia if they get wrapped
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Speaker 1: up in their blankets and they're fine, when they go
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Speaker 1: to bed and you wake up, they're dead. Yes, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that's right, and again said I would be something similar
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Speaker 1: to that. Post sleeping sometimes can cause the same thing
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Speaker 1: when it's unintentional suffocation. There can be many things, and
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Speaker 1: there's a whole back to what I said, back to school,
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Speaker 1: back to sleep, back to sleep, back to sleep, because
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Speaker 1: you want the baby sleeping on its back to avoid
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Speaker 1: sids or positional asphyxia. But you know, generally speaking, though
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Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, babies don't just die in their sleep.
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Speaker 1: They don't have a heart attack, they don't die of
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Speaker 1: diabetes or high blood pressure in the middle of the night.
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Speaker 1: So it's very rare that a baby should die in
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Speaker 1: their sleep, right exactly, Nancy. In fact, we have a
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Speaker 1: saying that babies and kids do not die unless there
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Speaker 1: is a significant medical history that is documented with some
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Speaker 1: cause of death. So we always do a death investigation.
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Speaker 1: So what more do we know? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at crime Online. According to The New York Post,
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Speaker 1: Gerrikas claims Camary was frequently developing thrush, a fungal infection
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Speaker 1: which infants and toddlers are at risk of developing. After
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Speaker 1: Gerrikas says she tried six different types of baby formula.
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Speaker 1: She also says Camary has never been vaccinated against child diseases. No,
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Speaker 1: right there, not vaccinated. Okay, for the rest of the panel,
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Speaker 1: please just jump in when you're ready. But I'm really
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Speaker 1: hammering doctor Michelle Dupree right now, former medical examiner, forensic pathologists,
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Speaker 1: specialties homicide investigations and child to be So, doctor Dupree,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, we went through multiple baby formulas
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Speaker 1: with the twins. Once they started taking formula at about
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Speaker 1: you know, two months, we went through a lot of
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Speaker 1: different formulas before we could find one that would not
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Speaker 1: upset their stomachs. So I don't think that's unusual that
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Speaker 1: she tried six different formulas. But wait, a minute on
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Speaker 1: this vaccination thing. I was one of those moms was
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Speaker 1: freaked out by vaccinations, especially when they bundle them. What
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Speaker 1: does it mean to bundle vaccinations, doctor Dupree? Nancy, it
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Speaker 1: means that she gives several different vaccinations at the same
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Speaker 1: time in the usually in the same shot, and it's
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Speaker 1: very common. It's actually prevents having to stick the child
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Speaker 1: more than once. Oh please, wait, so you're gonna I
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Speaker 1: remember duking it out with the pediatricians and they would
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Speaker 1: bring in more doctors. I just you know, the twins
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Speaker 1: were so tiny. I something seemed wrong with them getting
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Speaker 1: multiple vaccinations at once. Translation, we were back and forth
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Speaker 1: to the doctor about every two to three weeks so
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Speaker 1: they could unbundle them and give the shots one by one.
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Speaker 1: And I know that it may not make sense, but
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Speaker 1: in my mind it made a lot of sense. Crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, how does a seven month
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Speaker 1: old little boy end up dead one morning? Cold to
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Speaker 1: the Mommy can't really explain what happened, but we do
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Speaker 1: know she says he was fine when he was put
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Speaker 1: to sleep the night before. But what is this business about? Thrush?
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold? Let me go to you because guys
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Speaker 1: psychiatrists like doctor Angela Arnold also are mds. Doctor Angie thrush,
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Speaker 1: I remember hearing about it. I remember the twins being
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Speaker 1: checked for thrush. What is it? Well, thrush is a
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Speaker 1: type of yeast infection in a bay that can that
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Speaker 1: can show up in a baby's mouth. And it's it's
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Speaker 1: typically because their normal flora is not is not acting
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Speaker 1: properly and growing flora and fauna flora being the the
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Speaker 1: plants out in the woods. What do you mean that
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Speaker 1: flora flora is the natural is just the natural bacteria
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Speaker 1: that's in your mouth? Okay. Thrush is a fungal infection.
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Speaker 1: You can get it, you can. It can be in
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Speaker 1: the birth to now as a yeast infection, but it's
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Speaker 1: it's when your other microorganisms that are in your body
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Speaker 1: are out of whack. Okay, and then that's how and
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Speaker 1: then and then and then the thrush starts to overgrow.
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Speaker 1: And let me understand what you're saying. What did you
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Speaker 1: say is out of whack in the body for a
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Speaker 1: baby to get thrush? Oh, the other micro organisms that
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Speaker 1: normally occur that naturally occur in a baby's and why
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Speaker 1: did they not be occurring well, one of the reasons
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Speaker 1: they might not be occurring is because of malnutrition. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: I'm just a JD. I'm just a trial lawyer. On
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Speaker 1: our panel today, we've got Melissa Hotmyer, doctor Angie, doctor
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Speaker 1: d Prey, Dan Scott Christie Missouri. Not all of us
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Speaker 1: are mds. But when I hear thrush can be caused
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Speaker 1: by malnutrition, that gets my attention to Melissa Hotmyer, Prince
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Speaker 1: George County, chief of the Special Victims and Family Violence Unit,
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Speaker 1: co founder Right Response Consulting. I mean, I could go
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Speaker 1: on and on forever, Melissa Hoyer about you and all
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Speaker 1: your many, many awesome qualifications. But thrush, when I hear
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Speaker 1: that doesn't concern me. But sometimes, Melissa, do you just
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Speaker 1: look at the whole picture and you get a really
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Speaker 1: bad feeling. So I've got this baby that is cold
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Speaker 1: to the touch in the morning. Okay, can't see anything
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Speaker 1: wrong with him. He's not covered in bruises or anything
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Speaker 1: like that. Mommy says he was fine when he went
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Speaker 1: to sleep. So I would immediately think of SIDS. All
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Speaker 1: those seven months it's a little bit old for SIDS.
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Speaker 1: As from a layman's point of view, I hear of
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Speaker 1: babies not turning over in the middle of the night,
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Speaker 1: not seven months old. But you're right about that, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: But then when I add, thank you, doctor Angie, so
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Speaker 1: it's not just anecdotal. But then Melissa hot Meyer, when
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Speaker 1: I add he keeps having recurring thrush. Okay, still starting
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Speaker 1: to get a little concerned about what do we know
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Speaker 1: about this? And then third Melissa, when I hear mom
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Speaker 1: doesn't want baby vaccinated. Now, listen, there are a lot
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Speaker 1: of very intelligent people in the world that do not
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Speaker 1: agree with vaccinations. And I'm not having the anti vax
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Speaker 1: fight right now. But when you start combining all of
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Speaker 1: this together, in my mind, I'm getting a nefarious gut reaction.
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Speaker 1: Do you ever do that you don't know all the
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Speaker 1: facts that you start getting very suspicious? Oh? Absolutely, And
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Speaker 1: I think when you have a dead seven month old
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Speaker 1: or one that's cool to the touch, you have to
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Speaker 1: get that gut reaction otherwise they're not doing your job correctly.
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Speaker 1: You know, it just doesn't all fit together for me. Melissa. Guys,
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Speaker 1: Melissa Hotmeyer that I'm talking to is a chief of
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Speaker 1: the Special Victims and Family Unit. I've got Dan Scott
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Speaker 1: with me. Former La County sheriff. Now you know he
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Speaker 1: could tell a story or two, Dan Scott, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to this. Carla Griguez says she kept her son
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Speaker 1: Camary on a biblical vegan diet because she didn't want
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Speaker 1: to carry a fat ass child, and he would often
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Speaker 1: be fed fruits and vegetables crushed with boiled potatoes. According
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Speaker 1: to the child's grandmother. Coriguez told The New York Post
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Speaker 1: she believes vegan means everything that's in the Bible. Dan Scott,
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Speaker 1: I just wish I could get my hands around this
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Speaker 1: woman's neck right now. And I usually don't threaten violence.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I've tried. I don't even know how many cases.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know how many jury trials. I don't
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Speaker 1: even know how many guilty Please, I can only estimate.
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Speaker 1: Did I just hear this? Did not want to carry
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Speaker 1: a fat ass child. I've heard your experts and you
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Speaker 1: who mentioned the words suspicious a number of times. That
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Speaker 1: is the key word for a mandated reporter, suspicion. You
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Speaker 1: don't prove abuse, you suspect abuse. How many times has
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Speaker 1: this child been to the pediatrician? How many times has
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Speaker 1: the siblings been None of them picked up on any
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Speaker 1: of this. I want to know, as an investigator how
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Speaker 1: many times Children's Services had been out to that house
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Speaker 1: in the last seven months prior to cold and not breathing.
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Speaker 1: It's too late. Child abuse mandated reporters should if they
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Speaker 1: were seen. I'm assuming, and this is just an assumption
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Speaker 1: that there was some type of doctor carey. Why didn't
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Speaker 1: they pick up on it? All too often I hear
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Speaker 1: doctors and nurses well, I wasn't quite sure, so I
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Speaker 1: didn't want to get them in trouble with Children's Services.
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Speaker 1: All your job is to suspect these things. Thrush. If
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Speaker 1: it's got to do with malnutrition, that's a red flag
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Speaker 1: for child abuse. You know. I'm trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: what Dan's gott is saying is absolutely correct. In our country.
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Speaker 1: There are safety nets, for instance, teachers, even play school,
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Speaker 1: even daycare providers if they notice anything wrong such as
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Speaker 1: bruises or cutting, or suspicious pictures even of I remember
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Speaker 1: I had a child lestation of a little four year
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Speaker 1: old girl and she drew pictures of a man's erect penis.
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Speaker 1: Why would she know that at age four? So that's
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Speaker 1: an indicator, you see. But the daycare provider saw the photo,
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Speaker 1: saw the painting the picture, and brought it to the
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Speaker 1: attention of authorities. School teachers see black eyes and cuts
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Speaker 1: and messy and lice and this and that, and they
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Speaker 1: report it. But what about to Melissa Hotmeyer, a child
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Speaker 1: that is not in daycare, is not in play skill,
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Speaker 1: and is not going to the doctor for the doctor
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Speaker 1: to notice what's wrong. They fall through that safety net,
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Speaker 1: they sure do. Yeah, And it's devastating when that happens
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Speaker 1: because there's nobody keeping eyes on them. The people who
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Speaker 1: are supposed to be protecting them are the ones who
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Speaker 1: are abusing them. This whole biblical diet. First of all,
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Speaker 1: for the mom to jump up and say she did
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Speaker 1: not want to carry a fat ass child her words,
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Speaker 1: not mine, but then says she has him on the
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Speaker 1: biblical diet. To you, Christy, Missouri, what is the biblical diet?
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Speaker 1: Does anybody know? Well, it's her interpretation of the Biblical diet.
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Speaker 1: I mean, for Christians, we all hear about eating the
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Speaker 1: fatted calf, right Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait?
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Speaker 1: What Well in the Bible. I try to be a Christian,
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Speaker 1: but I don't recall eating a fatted calf. Wait are
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Speaker 1: you talking about in the Old Testament. I tried my
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Speaker 1: best not to pay any attention to it it scripture,
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Speaker 1: but Carla has changed her tail numerous times with police. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm asking you about the Biblical diet. What does anybody?
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Speaker 1: Does anybody know Doctor Angie Arnold, doctor Michelle Dupree, have
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Speaker 1: any of you of the Biblical diet? Okay? It is
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Speaker 1: a quote Bible based health plan. I'm you know, every
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Speaker 1: time I've read a researched the Biblical diet, it starts
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Speaker 1: with talking about what's wrong with all the other diets
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Speaker 1: Keto paleo, lo fat, calorie counting, Mediterranean hole thirty atkins, thhm,
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Speaker 1: what's that South Beach? On and on and on. But
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Speaker 1: apparently the Bible diet is a health plan. It includes
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Speaker 1: olive oil. I know that it includes, as Christie Masserk
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Speaker 1: was saying, nuts and grains. But how does this relate
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Speaker 1: to the death of a seven month old little boy
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Speaker 1: the Biblical diet. Well, we're finding out crime stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. As far as I can recall, Melissa Hotmeyer,
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Speaker 1: I remember christ drinking wine, or at least making wine,
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Speaker 1: eating bread. He basically wandered from city to city and
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Speaker 1: eating whatever his host provided for him. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, be sure, he said something to the effect of,
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Speaker 1: don't focus so much about laws regarding what you do,
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Speaker 1: eat what you put in your body. It's what you
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Speaker 1: speak and what you do out of your body. Did
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Speaker 1: the Lord is interested end? Have you ever heard of this?
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Speaker 1: And also Hotmeyer as being a type a child abuse.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's definitely a type of child abuse. You know,
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Speaker 1: we haven't had this type of case, but we've definitely
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Speaker 1: had other cases that are similar. But you know, children
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Speaker 1: are especially babies at this age, are supposed to be
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Speaker 1: getting milk and you know, very very little food at
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Speaker 1: this point seven months. You know, a lot of kids
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Speaker 1: don't start whole, you know, start any food until six months.
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Speaker 1: And putting your child, a baby under the age of one,
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Speaker 1: on a diet is just a level of cruel I
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Speaker 1: can't really imagine. Take a listen to our friends at
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Speaker 1: crime Online. Carla Grika has insisted that her baby wasn't underweight,
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Speaker 1: but her mother Karine told the New or Post the
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Speaker 1: child was small. According to the outlet, Carla Guerricuez said,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Camari was a vegan.
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Speaker 1: She said she's a small person, only a hundred pounds
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Speaker 1: and not a quote fat ass woman who will carry
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Speaker 1: a fat ass child. Karin Griquez also said that Carla
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Speaker 1: Guerriquez was going through something. Yeah, she was going through something.
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Speaker 1: She was going through starving her child. To Dan Scott,
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Speaker 1: former La County Sheriff sergeant twenty six years special victims
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Speaker 1: unit specializing in child abuse, Dan, have you ever seen
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Speaker 1: a child abuse case involving malnutrition starving? To put it simply, yes,
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Speaker 1: it's rare, but it does come up. And normally you
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Speaker 1: mentioned people seeing black eyes, bruises and things like that
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Speaker 1: at a daycare. When you have malnutrition, generally it's going
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Speaker 1: to be picked up by a pediatrician. The average person
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Speaker 1: isn't going to know that. But when you hear statements
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Speaker 1: about carrying a fat as child, somebody in that's going
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Speaker 1: to interview. I want to interview everybody if this is
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Speaker 1: my case, to find out. I can't bring the child back,
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Speaker 1: but what I can do is find out was there
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Speaker 1: a part of the system that failed? Did somebody fail
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Speaker 1: to see something in the professional field, But I also
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Speaker 1: want to know in the family, why didn't somebody call
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Speaker 1: Why didn't somebody report this? Maybe they did. Then you
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Speaker 1: want to look at how many times were children's services
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Speaker 1: out there and at all, if at all, if at all?
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Speaker 1: To Chrissie Missourich, investigative reporter joining us, Chrissie, didn't the
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Speaker 1: mom Camary Gary Kay share a home with her mother
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Speaker 1: and the other children, Yes, so the grandmother was there
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Speaker 1: seeing everything correct. Several family members lived in an upper
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Speaker 1: and loller. What was interesting about this situation at this
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Speaker 1: family was kind of always in a state of flux,
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Speaker 1: moving from neighborhood to neighborhood, So neighbors watching this family
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Speaker 1: interact never really saw this young baby. You know, that's
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Speaker 1: really interesting because I remember the House of Horrors out
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Speaker 1: in California. Let me throw that one to you, doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold, where the Turpins would take all of these
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Speaker 1: photos of their children. For instance, that I'll be at
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Speaker 1: Disneyland and they'd be like, how many children they have,
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Speaker 1: like seven or eight, and they all have on matching shirts.
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Speaker 1: And then they renewed their vows in Vegas. They had
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Speaker 1: all the children there dressed up in similar outfits and
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Speaker 1: they would post all these family photos online. But the
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Speaker 1: neighbors never saw the children. It wasn't until one teen
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Speaker 1: girl managed to break out of a window and call
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Speaker 1: nine one one. And there were children that were adult
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Speaker 1: age that weighed eighty ninety pounds. They had been chained
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Speaker 1: to the bed and starved, and none of the neighbors
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Speaker 1: ever saw them. And of course they're being home schooled,
23:19
Speaker 1: and the school district never checked in on them at all,
23:23
Speaker 1: so they also fell through the safety net. I a
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Speaker 1: somebody didn't do their job. And I think what Dan
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Speaker 1: Scott is saying, it's absolutely correct. The neighbors, oh it
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Speaker 1: was Christy Missourich. Our investigative reporters said the neighbors, in
23:38
Speaker 1: their various neighbors never saw the children, never saw this child.
23:42
Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, I've been giving this a lot of thought.
23:45
Speaker 1: Why do we keep hearing these same stories over and
23:49
Speaker 1: over again? And I think that we need to get
23:52
Speaker 1: to a point where if there is if there is
23:55
Speaker 1: a red flag by any if someone sees a red
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Speaker 1: flag Grandma, a red flag, if on the one visit
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Speaker 1: to the pediatrician, there is a red flag scene, it
24:06
Speaker 1: needs to be reported and the person who reports it
24:09
Speaker 1: needs to feel like they're safe in that reporting and
24:12
Speaker 1: that something's actually going to get done about it. No
24:14
Speaker 1: she ever even took the baby to the doctor, which
24:18
Speaker 1: is very disturbing to me because I can't really think
24:23
Speaker 1: of a way to police that and enforce parents taking
24:27
Speaker 1: their children to the doctor as they're growing. I mean, Nancy.
24:31
Speaker 1: Typically the pediatrician sees the baby when it's born in
24:35
Speaker 1: the hospital and they make an appointment for that baby
24:37
Speaker 1: after and if you don't go to that appointment, nothing happens,
24:42
Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, nothing happens. Well, no one is policing it.
24:46
Speaker 1: And I get it because most parents want to take
24:48
Speaker 1: their children to the doctor. Guys, after all of this,
24:52
Speaker 1: what do we find out about cod cause of death?
24:55
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. NYPD
24:58
Speaker 1: said the case was ruled a homis signed by the
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Speaker 1: New York Medical Examiner's Office and that Camery died from
25:03
Speaker 1: complications to malnutrition. According to the New York Daily News,
25:07
Speaker 1: doctor said the baby has no food in his stomach,
25:10
Speaker 1: and police noted that he appeared underweight, no food in
25:13
Speaker 1: his stomach and appeared underweight. Do doctor Michelle Dupree, former
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Speaker 1: pathology forensic pathologists, former medical examiner. When you look at
25:23
Speaker 1: a child, what are the signs that COD is malnutrition.
25:29
Speaker 1: When Nancy, we look at the underall development of a
25:31
Speaker 1: child for their age. Certainly underweight is one of them.
25:34
Speaker 1: We look at the skin, whether it's wrinkled out because
25:37
Speaker 1: there's no muscle masks there. We look for things if
25:40
Speaker 1: the child is alive, we look for things like retractions
25:44
Speaker 1: in the neck and chest muscles when they're breathing. We
25:47
Speaker 1: also none of the One of the biggest things about
25:50
Speaker 1: malnutrition and children is the lack of vitamin B twelve.
25:53
Speaker 1: This is for brain development. Lack of that can cause
25:57
Speaker 1: permanent brain damage and subsequently death. When you said something
26:02
Speaker 1: about the skin being wrinkled, would you repeat that place. Yeah,
26:06
Speaker 1: Oftentimes the skin is very wrinkled because there are there's
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Speaker 1: no muscle math underneath the skin, and so basically the
26:15
Speaker 1: child is starved to death and they the body tends
26:18
Speaker 1: to eat the muscle what little there is, and so
26:21
Speaker 1: the skin which has been covering the body has been
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Speaker 1: wrinkled because there's nothing left underneath it. So the COD
26:28
Speaker 1: cause of death is malnutrition for this little seven month
26:33
Speaker 1: old baby boy, Camary Greek, who was on the quote
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Speaker 1: biblical diet. So what does mommy do take a listen
26:42
Speaker 1: to this Camary Gerrikaz was just seven months old when
26:45
Speaker 1: he died. According to NYPD, he was found unconscious when
26:48
Speaker 1: police responded to a nine one one call, and later
26:51
Speaker 1: died at the hospital. A day later, a caseworker showed
26:54
Speaker 1: up to take custody of Greeka's two year old daughter,
26:57
Speaker 1: but the mother and child weren't there. Where were they? Hey? Listen?
27:01
Speaker 1: Four days later, Garriquez and her daughter were tracked down
27:03
Speaker 1: to Hackensack, New Jersey, at a travel lodge off Root
27:06
Speaker 1: forty six after her cell phone was picked there. Police
27:09
Speaker 1: said the two year old was found in good health
27:11
Speaker 1: and that the child is now in custody of city
27:13
Speaker 1: child welfare officials. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we
27:29
Speaker 1: are talking about the death of a little boy just
27:31
Speaker 1: seven months old. Mary Gary Kay. At first I thought
27:39
Speaker 1: it maybe he died of sids. Even at seven months
27:41
Speaker 1: there were no visible signs of injury, no blood, no bruises,
27:45
Speaker 1: no scrapes, no scratches. It was only when the medical
27:49
Speaker 1: examiner determined he died of malnutrition. Case workers are sent
27:54
Speaker 1: to the home to get the two year old little
27:57
Speaker 1: girl away, and mommy is gone. You know. County chief
28:03
Speaker 1: Special Victims and Family Violence Unit co founder Right Response Consulting, Melissa,
28:10
Speaker 1: the law has changed and a judge can no longer
28:16
Speaker 1: in many jurisdictions instruct a jury as to flight being
28:22
Speaker 1: in disha of guilt. In other words, when you see
28:27
Speaker 1: a stay patrol pull up behind him, Melissa, I doubt
28:31
Speaker 1: pretty much. You floora to one hundred and ten mph.
28:34
Speaker 1: He might break a little bit. Why because you're not
28:37
Speaker 1: afraid of they search your trunk. You don't care. That
28:41
Speaker 1: is flight, And it is still arguable to a jury
28:45
Speaker 1: by the prosecution that flight is in disha of fake passports,
28:51
Speaker 1: a bag of viagra, hair died, and a lot of
28:55
Speaker 1: cash and camping equipment. He was on the run. He
28:59
Speaker 1: was leaving before he could get caught charged with murder.
29:02
Speaker 1: That's flight, and many juries believe that is proof of guilt.
29:07
Speaker 1: So after the cod is announced of malnutrition, mommy actually
29:12
Speaker 1: goes on the run with her children. Yeah, I mean
29:15
Speaker 1: it shows a definite consciousness of guilt. I think it's
29:18
Speaker 1: an important piece of evidence, not only for the investigation,
29:21
Speaker 1: but for the prosecution later to show that this wasn't accidental,
29:26
Speaker 1: that this wasn't because she didn't know how to raise children.
29:29
Speaker 1: She has children. This is because she made she made
29:33
Speaker 1: a decision, and she was premeditated in that decision. Back
29:38
Speaker 1: to Christy, Missouri, Emmy Award winning investigative reporter, Christie. How
29:43
Speaker 1: many children did this woman have? Foreign total? Okay, a
29:47
Speaker 1: dead baby, yeah, two year old that's now in the
29:51
Speaker 1: custody of Child Protective Services, right, But previous to all
29:56
Speaker 1: of this, two other children were removed from her home
30:00
Speaker 1: by their biological father and his complaints. So she was
30:05
Speaker 1: on the radar for sure. So she's got a track record.
30:09
Speaker 1: The husband, the former husband, took their two children away.
30:14
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, out of these children, she picks
30:17
Speaker 1: one child to starve dead. But this whole biblical diet,
30:23
Speaker 1: putting your baby on a diet, this is not the
30:26
Speaker 1: first time it's happened. Take a listen to our friend
30:29
Speaker 1: Katie Johnson at CBS Miami. Two parents in Cape Coral
30:33
Speaker 1: are charged with the death of their eighteen month old son.
30:35
Speaker 1: The baby wage just seventeen pounds at the time of
30:38
Speaker 1: his death. Experts say seventeen pounds is what a seven
30:41
Speaker 1: month old should weigh, not a baby who's a year
30:44
Speaker 1: and a half old. A Lee County grand jury indicted
30:46
Speaker 1: Ryan Patrick O'Leary and Sheila O'Leary Wednesday on charges a
30:49
Speaker 1: first degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter, child abuse,
30:55
Speaker 1: and two counts of child neglect. According to a police report,
30:58
Speaker 1: the mother called nine one Timber when she noticed her
31:01
Speaker 1: son was not breathing and felt cold. According to Newspress,
31:04
Speaker 1: the baby was dead when paramedics arrived. The state attorney
31:08
Speaker 1: for the case says the indictments also include three other
31:11
Speaker 1: children who suffered child abuse and extreme neglect. They are
31:15
Speaker 1: three years old, five years old, and eleven years old. Well,
31:19
Speaker 1: that's not the end of that story. Take a listen
31:21
Speaker 1: to NBC two. We're also learning the three other children
31:24
Speaker 1: in the home we're only allowed to eat raw fruits
31:27
Speaker 1: and vegetables, and two of them were severely underweight. Sheila
31:32
Speaker 1: and Ryan did admit to police they thought something was
31:34
Speaker 1: wrong with her baby weeks before, but didn't call for help.
31:38
Speaker 1: In this nine page report just obtained by NBC two,
31:42
Speaker 1: Sheila tells police the baby became sick six months ago
31:45
Speaker 1: and was throwing up and lost weight about a week
31:48
Speaker 1: before the baby died. Sheila says they're eighteen month old
31:51
Speaker 1: stopped eating and would only breastfeed occasionally. The medical examiner
31:56
Speaker 1: says the baby was extremely malnourished, hydrated, and feet were swollen.
32:02
Speaker 1: Sheila says the baby has never been to the doctor
32:04
Speaker 1: and was born inside their home. Cape Coral Police also
32:08
Speaker 1: say two other children were also extremely underweight and one
32:13
Speaker 1: of their children's teeth were rotting. Sheila told police the
32:16
Speaker 1: family would sleep in the living room with one child
32:19
Speaker 1: on a hammock and another on a dogbed. Are we
32:23
Speaker 1: so pc, so politically correct that we didn't want to
32:28
Speaker 1: investigate or stop parents from their own brand of religion
32:36
Speaker 1: and find out it amounts to child abuse ending in death.
32:42
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Rachel Lloyd Fox four. Sheila oh
32:46
Speaker 1: Laries and Serny's told me all the kids living in
32:48
Speaker 1: this home were healthy. And now I did ask him
32:51
Speaker 1: about the claims of malnourishment, and he says, oh Larry
32:54
Speaker 1: actually breastfed her son just a few hours before he died,
32:58
Speaker 1: so he doesn't think malnutrition was the cause of death. Now.
33:01
Speaker 1: Sheila O'Leary and her husband Ryan faced a manslaughter charge
33:05
Speaker 1: after their baby died here back in September. They turned
33:08
Speaker 1: themselves in last night after the medical examiner revealed malnutrition
33:13
Speaker 1: caused the baby's death. O'Leary's attorney, John Muska, told me
33:16
Speaker 1: on Skye today that his client was so religious that
33:19
Speaker 1: she did not allow any of her four kids to
33:21
Speaker 1: watch television. He also says she's vegan but fed her
33:25
Speaker 1: children balanced mills. But he did say there were health
33:28
Speaker 1: concerns regarding the toddler before he died. The child had
33:34
Speaker 1: been sick six months prior and had not fully recuperated.
33:38
Speaker 1: The child had started eating better, and then the child
33:42
Speaker 1: began teething, and the mother was concerned, very concerned that
33:46
Speaker 1: that was causing him to not eat as well. So
33:50
Speaker 1: concerning never was taken to the doctor, to doctor Angela
33:53
Speaker 1: Arnold Psychiatrists joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. How
33:57
Speaker 1: do people get so wrapped up in their religion they
34:00
Speaker 1: can't see their child is dying? Well, this is this
34:07
Speaker 1: is called hyper religiosity, okay. And and and there's a
34:13
Speaker 1: there's a mental health component to this. I mean it's
34:16
Speaker 1: people can get so into this that they become psychotic
34:19
Speaker 1: about this. Nancy and you know, you know what bothers me. Okay, Yes,
34:24
Speaker 1: I hear that she's done this to these other children.
34:27
Speaker 1: She has a baby. I have no idea what kind
34:30
Speaker 1: of prenatal cares she got while she was pregnant with
34:32
Speaker 1: this child. I don't know where her mind was while
34:35
Speaker 1: she was pregnant with the baby, right, and now the
34:37
Speaker 1: baby comes onto the she's she's probably hyper religious. There's
34:42
Speaker 1: a part of her. I don't believe it's the whole thing,
34:45
Speaker 1: but there's a part of her that believes. The part
34:48
Speaker 1: that's bothering me is that she wants this skinny baby. Okay, okay,
34:52
Speaker 1: but then she decides to feed it this this biblical diet.
34:56
Speaker 1: So she's got some hyper religiosity going on because she herself.
35:01
Speaker 1: Is that real? Or did she not want a quote
35:04
Speaker 1: fat ass baby and she did not want to be
35:07
Speaker 1: a fat ass mom? Her words, not mine. You just
35:10
Speaker 1: heard about the aleries, Well what about the welches? Listen
35:14
Speaker 1: to this? How did you find the jail? About an
35:19
Speaker 1: hour and a half, I um waiting. I called my
35:23
Speaker 1: lawyer thing to ask, you know what I have to do,
35:27
Speaker 1: and they said wait here to call you know the
35:32
Speaker 1: belief and get that going. Basically, you got to play
35:35
Speaker 1: right here, So I just I would be waiting unequal
35:42
Speaker 1: comfortable child an hour a yeah, and called your lawyer. Yeah,
35:51
Speaker 1: I'm so glad they got that on tape. Unless his
35:54
Speaker 1: doctor was a pediatrician in the emergency room. Why are
35:58
Speaker 1: you calling the lawyer? Why your child is dying? Talk
36:02
Speaker 1: about proof of guilt. Well, here's more from Sean Welsh's
36:06
Speaker 1: nine one one Call who starred his child Dad listen
36:12
Speaker 1: with the child. Oh la night, um, well here about
36:21
Speaker 1: three pm he goes the bet and you know that
36:29
Speaker 1: was that? Wait a minute, he didn't see his child alive,
36:32
Speaker 1: says three pm the day before? What okay? It goes on.
36:38
Speaker 1: Take a listen to Ken colk or Wood TV eight
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Speaker 1: Grand Rapids. Listen. He says CPS got called on him
36:44
Speaker 1: when he had first refused to get his oldest daughter vaccinated,
36:48
Speaker 1: and that he did not get the shots for his
36:50
Speaker 1: other two kids, including Mary. It didn't seem smart to
36:53
Speaker 1: me that you would be saving people who weren't the fittest.
36:59
Speaker 1: Resolution believe in the survival of the fittest. Well, then
37:01
Speaker 1: why are we vaccinating everybody? Shouldn't we just let the
37:03
Speaker 1: week die off and let the strong survive. He also
37:07
Speaker 1: spoke against worldly things and I would love to see
37:11
Speaker 1: a commune of Christian Disciples living off the grids somewhere
37:15
Speaker 1: and just living free in The couple called nine one
37:19
Speaker 1: one on Thursday after finding their baby unresponsive at their
37:23
Speaker 1: home on al Gooma Avenue and soul In Township. An
37:26
Speaker 1: autopsy found the baby eyed of malnutrition and dehydration. Today,
37:30
Speaker 1: the judge ordered them to stay in jail without bond.
37:35
Speaker 1: That's why you can't live free, because some people like him,
37:41
Speaker 1: Seth Welch, kill their children. And there's more. Listen. Seth
37:46
Speaker 1: Welch's wife, Tatiana Fusari, was in tears. A couple set
37:49
Speaker 1: side by side for their video arraignment. Today. You're both
37:53
Speaker 1: charged with what they call felony murder. In court documents,
37:57
Speaker 1: detectives say the couple told them they were aware of
37:59
Speaker 1: their daughters skinny appearance and low wait for at least
38:02
Speaker 1: a month. The wife told detectives they did not get
38:04
Speaker 1: medical help over fear of CPS taking away their three kids,
38:08
Speaker 1: over distrust of medicine, and because of religious beliefs. All
38:12
Speaker 1: have been topics of some of her husband's rambling videos
38:16
Speaker 1: on Facebook, and of course those videos become states Exhibit
38:20
Speaker 1: number one. You know it happens over and over and over. Somehow,
38:26
Speaker 1: some quiet religion is tied into non vaccination, is tied
38:32
Speaker 1: into biblical diets, and religion ends in a dead baby.
38:39
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, but I do not want
38:43
Speaker 1: to see this case plut out cheap on voluntary manslaughter
38:48
Speaker 1: or child neglect. This is a murder of a seven
38:52
Speaker 1: month old little boy. Goodbye friend,