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Bucky Reviews Jaguars' Free Agency Activity | Huddle Up · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of Huddle Up JP Shadwick with
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks. John Osier out on vacation this week. We've
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  Speaker 1: got a busy show here on this March twentieth, This Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: it's Pro Day season. We'll get to that coming up.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, the Jaguars were very busy the last week
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  Speaker 1: or so in free agency.
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  Speaker 2: And a lot to get to Bucky. So here we are.
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  Speaker 1: This is the midst of it. Free agency is open,
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  Speaker 1: the new league year is here, Pro DA season now,
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  Speaker 1: and we are closing in a little over a month
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  Speaker 1: away from the draft.
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  Speaker 2: What's up?
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  Speaker 3: Okay? JP?
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  Speaker 4: So I'm kind of new to this, Like I've only
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  Speaker 4: been associated with the National.
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  Speaker 3: Football League for about twenty years, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the first time that I've ever heard
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  Speaker 4: of someone being on vacation in the middle of my
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  Speaker 4: free agency in the draft leading up, Like.
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  Speaker 3: The league year just popped and here we got Oser's
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  Speaker 3: on vacation.
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  Speaker 4: Like, hey man, you know that generation, this new generation
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  Speaker 4: is a little different, Like.
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  Speaker 3: They just take vacation days and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 4: I just got to figure out what that's about. How
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  Speaker 4: do you take vacation the league?
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  Speaker 3: You're just started?
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  Speaker 1: I will say this though, there's still riding on Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: dot com, so he's still contributing to the website, which
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  Speaker 1: is you know, it's not disappeared.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's just not on here.
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  Speaker 3: I was just saying vacation, Like, who does vacation the league?
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  Speaker 3: You're just started. How you gonna have vacation? We just started.
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  Speaker 1: We're just getting underway, right, there's a whole year ago.
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  Speaker 1: That's why they call it the new league year. So
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  Speaker 1: we'll get to Pro Day stuff coming up.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to touch a little bit on some of
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  Speaker 1: these free agents the Jaguars have brought in here, of course,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean the latest and probably one of the
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  Speaker 1: biggest names, Eric Armstead, defensive tackle ten to your Player,
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  Speaker 1: the seventeenth overall pick back in twenty fifteen by the Niners,
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  Speaker 1: and and of course that team was led by GM
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  Speaker 1: Trent Balky and reunited with Bulkey here in Jacksonville. He
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  Speaker 1: came back to play the playoffs last year after injury,
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  Speaker 1: and in the Super Bowl he had a sack and
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  Speaker 1: six tackles, but played through a knee injury pretty much
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  Speaker 1: the second half of the season, and Armstead was asked
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  Speaker 1: about his health during his press conference.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very confident.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the past couple of years, you know, I've
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  Speaker 5: had some random nagging things going on.
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  Speaker 3: You know, football is a is a sport with one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent injury rate.
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  Speaker 5: You know, people want to talk about my past two years,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, I missed four or five games last year,
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  Speaker 5: but I finished the playoffs, I played in the super Bowl,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, before you know, kind of these past
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  Speaker 5: two years, I hadn't mixed it.
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  Speaker 3: I had missed a game in five years. So injuries
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  Speaker 3: are a part of sports. You know. I have my
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  Speaker 3: plan together.
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  Speaker 5: In place to make sure that I'm putting my body
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  Speaker 5: and myself in the best position to be out there
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  Speaker 5: for my team. And I'm going to do that, and
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  Speaker 5: you know, I think it's going to go very well.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I planned to have a long career.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think I got a good five or
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  Speaker 5: six more years in me, so I don't plan on
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  Speaker 5: stopping anytime soon.
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  Speaker 1: Bucky Eric Armstead is six foot seven two and ninety pounds,
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  Speaker 1: So what will he bring to the table on the defense.
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  Speaker 4: I think people need to kind of think about what
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  Speaker 4: Kalais Campbell was for the Jaguars. And how he impacted
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  Speaker 4: the game and kind of view Eric Armstead in that light.
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  Speaker 4: Different players in terms of position, but similar in terms
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  Speaker 4: of physicality, length, how they disrupt at the.
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  Speaker 3: Point of attack.
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  Speaker 4: He is something that the Jaguars desperately needed inside. When
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  Speaker 4: we talked about the defense and the defensive struggles last
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  Speaker 4: year just didn't get enough output from the interior positions.
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  Speaker 4: The defensive tackles didn't create enough splash plays. Look, I
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  Speaker 4: did the numbers, and you think about three guys that
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  Speaker 4: made a position last year for the Tassie, Devon Hamilton
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  Speaker 4: and then were Robertson Harrison.
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  Speaker 3: They compare, They combined for only.
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  Speaker 4: Three and a half sacks, seven tackles were lost. That's
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  Speaker 4: not an enough disruption on the interior. And so with
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  Speaker 4: Eric Armstrong, you would like to think that he and
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  Speaker 4: Roy Robinson Harris will kind of combine for more disruption.
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  Speaker 4: They'll be kind of a bigger tandem to deal with
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  Speaker 4: on the inside, and I think that'll take some of
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  Speaker 4: the pressure off Josh Allen and Trayvon Walker to create
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  Speaker 4: all the splash plays for this defense.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about the move.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's definitely a huge upgrade and we think
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  Speaker 4: about the championship teams, they are built lily rock solid
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  Speaker 4: in the trenches. I think the Jaguars now have a
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  Speaker 4: defense that has the potential to be very, very solid
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  Speaker 4: in the trenches.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's got, you know, three, four or five
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  Speaker 1: more years left in him.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I can't worry about four or five years.
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  Speaker 4: I think he should have two to three at a
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  Speaker 4: minimum to be able to play at a high level,
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  Speaker 4: and then anything beyond that is gravy. But in the
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  Speaker 4: immediate future, he gives them an upgrade over what they had.
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  Speaker 4: It also takes some of the pressure off of the
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  Speaker 4: Jaguars to have to force the pick at.
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  Speaker 3: Number seventeen to see if they can get a high
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  Speaker 3: end guy.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's really important. What you want to
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  Speaker 4: do is you want to be able to go into
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  Speaker 4: the draft not worrying about, Hey, I got to get
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  Speaker 4: this need and that need. I want to take the
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  Speaker 4: best player that is available at pick seventeen. Eric Armstead
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  Speaker 4: means that you don't have to necessarily rush it and
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  Speaker 4: force it with a Byron Murphy or a Demondry sweat
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  Speaker 4: In any of those guys.
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  Speaker 3: You now can just hey, I'm gonna take the.
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  Speaker 4: Best player, whether it's a D lineman, a dB, a wide.
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  Speaker 3: Receiver, wherever that is, and then kind of move forward like.
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  Speaker 1: That, Bucky, let's stay in the trenches, but go to
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  Speaker 1: the other side now. And the Jaguars added center Mitch Morris,
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  Speaker 1: tenth year player from the Buffalo Bills. He was open
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  Speaker 1: for signing before the league year. He was released by
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  Speaker 1: the Bills. So a second round pick back in twenty
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  Speaker 1: fifteen by the Chiefs, was with the Bills from nineteen
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  Speaker 1: through twenty three and a Pro bowler in twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 1: and visited with Jaggs reporter Kyle Stevens on his first
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  Speaker 1: day in the building explaining his free agency process.
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  Speaker 6: So it's been in a wild ninety six hours. We're
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  Speaker 6: talking to my wife. She's been a trouper this whole thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you get released and then you kind of you're able
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  Speaker 6: to start ahead of the free agency process, which in
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  Speaker 6: my case as an older guy, was nicer. We knew
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  Speaker 6: that we wanted to go somewhere that had a winning culture,
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  Speaker 6: no Doug from my first few years in the league.
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  Speaker 6: And also you need a quarterback in this league to win,
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  Speaker 6: and Trevor gives that guy. And so when I had
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  Speaker 6: the opportunity to come here and visit, you know, fell
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  Speaker 6: in love, really liked what they got going on, had
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  Speaker 6: some really nice conversations with Trent as well as Phil,
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  Speaker 6: and it just worked out and we couldn't be happier.
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  Speaker 6: And my wife and I related to bring our kids
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  Speaker 6: and Sean the.
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonier that's been Morse of course the Jaguars center now
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  Speaker 1: and so that all of a sudden, the Jags offensive
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  Speaker 1: line Bucky filled with salty veterans from the left tackle
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  Speaker 1: all the way to the right guard. Those are guys
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  Speaker 1: that have played a lot of football in this league.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think what you see is the
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  Speaker 4: theme is it's about winning right now.
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  Speaker 3: Pressures on the team to get over the top. You
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  Speaker 3: have to win more than nine games. You got to
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  Speaker 3: get to the eleven or twelve win mark.
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  Speaker 4: To be able to really do some damage in the postseason.
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  Speaker 4: And the only way you can do that is you
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  Speaker 4: got to control the line of scrimmage.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't good enough last year. Too many situations.
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  Speaker 4: Where you couldn't convert on third and short, fourth and short.
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  Speaker 3: And that is the offensive line, no matter how you
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  Speaker 3: slice it. And so now you bring in Mitch Morris,
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  Speaker 3: who is a veteran guy. He can not only lighten
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  Speaker 3: some of the load.
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  Speaker 4: On Trevor when it comes to protection calls, but look
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  Speaker 4: a physical guy, nasty guy who's going to add to
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  Speaker 4: the nasty element that we see up front. So now
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  Speaker 4: when you look at the team from left to right,
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  Speaker 4: Cam Robinson, Ezra Cleveland, Morris if he's in the starting role,
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  Speaker 4: Brandon Shurff, who's even though he's declining, he still has
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  Speaker 4: that nastness, and then Anton Harrison, like you have a.
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  Speaker 3: Solid offensive line that can be able to get it done.
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  Speaker 4: And if anything, you point to Brandon Sheriff, who has
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  Speaker 4: been a Pro Bowl player multiple times, you can point
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  Speaker 4: to him as maybe the weak link.
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  Speaker 3: On that offensive line.
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  Speaker 4: I think there are a lot of teams that would
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  Speaker 4: be okay with taking that kind of offensive line into
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  Speaker 4: the season.
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  Speaker 1: And in the swing spots, theoretically you have guys that
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know what Walker Little is
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  Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Luke Fortner has been your
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  Speaker 1: starter for a year or two already. So is that
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  Speaker 1: Fortner's future is just kind of a swing backup, you know,
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  Speaker 1: interior guy?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, man, I look.
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  Speaker 4: I think his future like now, what happened is he
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  Speaker 4: likes so many guys who spend most of their life.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of backing up and drawing the car about a
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  Speaker 3: lengthy career. He has to look and see what happens
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  Speaker 3: on Draft Knight.
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  Speaker 4: Does another player come in that can be a swing player,
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  Speaker 4: that can play guard and center. Does it become very
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  Speaker 4: competitive for him to be one of those rotation players.
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  Speaker 4: I think the one thing that we knew going into
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  Speaker 4: next year he was going to have to play better
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  Speaker 4: in whatever road that.
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  Speaker 3: He was thrust in.
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  Speaker 4: He was going to have to improve upon what he's
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  Speaker 4: displayed the first two years of his career.
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  Speaker 3: He knows it. Everyone knows it. He has to get
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  Speaker 3: to work and be a better player.
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  Speaker 4: And if he works his tail off and plays at
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  Speaker 4: a higher level, then he'll be around and he'll carve
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  Speaker 4: out in a nice role for himself where there's a
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  Speaker 4: swing player or if he somehow finds a way to
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  Speaker 4: supplant Mitch Morrison is the sword.
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  Speaker 3: J P.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick with Bucky Brooks. It's the Huddle Up Podcast. Let's
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  Speaker 1: Move down a wide receiver. Gabe Davis, fifth year player,
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  Speaker 1: fourth round pick, of the Bills out of Central Florida
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  Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty and of course reunited with his
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  Speaker 1: old position coach.
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  Speaker 2: From Buffalo, Chad Hall.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty seven career touchdowns three different seasons, now with seven
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns in a single year, but a couple of big
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  Speaker 1: playoff games increase the spotlight for him, especially that Divisional
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  Speaker 1: round game after the twenty twenty one season at Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: That was the game that changed the overtime rules. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: he had eight catches, two hundred and one yards and
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  Speaker 1: four touchdowns in that game, and he earlier discussed the
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  Speaker 1: decision to come to the Jaguars during that negotiation period
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  Speaker 1: leading in to the start of the league year.
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  Speaker 7: Soon as twelve o'clock hid, it all just started going
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  Speaker 7: and going. And as soon as I heard Jacksonville, I
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  Speaker 7: was like, thank God, I wanted to come back to Florida.
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  Speaker 7: I wanted to be around you know guys that I knew,
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  Speaker 7: you know coach that I loved, and you know, the
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  Speaker 7: team's great. Shoot, we can never we can never beat them, Yeah,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, so came came here and you know, soon
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  Speaker 7: as soon as they sent it in, you know, Negotians winning.
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  Speaker 7: Then boom, I was like, yeah, I'm a Jaguar man.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty easy decision, all right.
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  Speaker 2: So Gabe Davis is all in. Ridley is out.
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  Speaker 1: So some changes certainly in this wide receiver corps for
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  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and Press Taylor and Doug Peterson. And what
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  Speaker 1: will gave Davis add to this group? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: can he is he the one to add everything that
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  Speaker 1: Ridley will will not be providing to the Jaguars this year.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna say this, and because I think a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people that know me know that, like I
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  Speaker 4: have an affinity for Cavin Ridley, have known him and
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  Speaker 4: Christian Kirk and some of these guys from high school.
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  Speaker 3: Like I just really love what.
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  Speaker 4: He's being able to do as a pro. And he
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  Speaker 4: is a talented player.
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  Speaker 3: He is a guy who will go.
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  Speaker 4: To Tennessee and have an opportunity to kind of fulfill
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  Speaker 4: some of the things that he wanted to do as
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  Speaker 4: a number one and number two receiver. That said, I
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  Speaker 4: think this actually can be a good thing for the
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  Speaker 4: Jacksonville Jaguars to move on from Ridley and to bring
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  Speaker 4: Gabe Davis in. Sometimes when you're putting together a team,
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  Speaker 4: it's not necessarily the most talented team that gets it
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  Speaker 4: done is how the pieces of a puzzle fit. The
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  Speaker 4: puzzle pieces may fit better with Gabe Davis coming in,
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  Speaker 4: joining Christian Kirk, Evan Ingram and j Jones, and it's
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  Speaker 4: not about having what I would say like a designated
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  Speaker 4: number one, but having people that can occupy designated roles.
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  Speaker 4: And Gabe Davis, what you're getting is a big play specialist,
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  Speaker 4: a guy who is average over sixteen yards per catch
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  Speaker 4: throughout his career.
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  Speaker 3: You talked about the.
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  Speaker 4: Twenty seven touchdowns that he has, but when you have
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  Speaker 4: age sixteen yards per catch over the course of a career,
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  Speaker 4: that's a lot of big, explosive plays.
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  Speaker 3: And I think people have to understand explosive plays of
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  Speaker 3: Cararasidas passes over twenty yards. He has been able to
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  Speaker 3: do that time and time again throughout his career.
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  Speaker 4: And as you're looking at the receiver Cornell and Hole,
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  Speaker 4: Kirk and Ingram do the dirty work over the middlefield.
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  Speaker 4: They're the chain movers. They kind of make it happen
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  Speaker 4: in a pinch. Zay Jones is kind of like the
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  Speaker 4: complimentary peace that he can win the one on one,
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  Speaker 4: but he allows them to be able to be very
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  Speaker 4: interchangeable and play musical chairs because it's a high IQ
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  Speaker 4: unit and Gabe Davis, the part that has been missing
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  Speaker 4: in this offense has been the vertical element where everyone
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  Speaker 4: is clamping down on the intermediate routes and so Trevor's like, hey,
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  Speaker 4: I got someone over the top. Gabe Davis gives them that,
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  Speaker 4: and for Trevor's first three years in the league, he
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  Speaker 4: hasn't had that vertical threat. So I'm excited to see
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  Speaker 4: how this is. I don't know if we'll talk about
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  Speaker 4: like last year we were optimistic about all We're gonna
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  Speaker 4: have all these thousand yard receivers in those things. It
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  Speaker 4: may not be that, but you'll judge gave Davis on
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  Speaker 4: yards per catch and number of touchdowns. Christian Kirk and
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  Speaker 4: Evan Ingram would continue to be the number one and
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  Speaker 4: number two.
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  Speaker 3: However, Da goes and.
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  Speaker 4: Then Zay Jones just kind of fills in as a
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  Speaker 4: designated chain mover.
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  Speaker 3: It's a unit that is probably more balanced in terms
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  Speaker 3: of their skill set, and it won't be the pressure
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  Speaker 3: to feel like you have to force feed it to anybody.
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  Speaker 4: I think the ball would just go to the open man,
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  Speaker 4: and I think everybody involved in the core.
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  Speaker 3: Is okay with that?
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  Speaker 1: They're going to draft receiver though, and where would that
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  Speaker 1: depending on where he's drafted, where would he fit into
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  Speaker 1: that equation.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think you need to draft one in the
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  Speaker 4: first round. I think history has shown that you can
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  Speaker 4: get a good receiver in the second and third round.
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  Speaker 1: Especially this year right because of the depth of the class.
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  Speaker 1: There's good receivers. And we've talked about this, I think
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  Speaker 1: on this show before this could be the trend moving ahead.
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  Speaker 1: There's so the way the game's played in college now.
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  Speaker 1: Receivers everywhere, their receivers everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that I would look for is I would
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  Speaker 3: look for someone who is comparable.
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  Speaker 4: To what Jay Jones is. Jay Jones is dealt with
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  Speaker 4: some injuries. Jay Jones I can't even say he's an
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  Speaker 4: older player, But if I'm looking for a receiver, I
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  Speaker 4: want someone with that kind of skill set. I want
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  Speaker 4: a polish route runner. I want someone that can make
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  Speaker 4: things happen. Throwing out some names like.
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  Speaker 3: Look, he might be a first round picker. Maybe not
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  Speaker 3: like a guy like Lab McConkie, Ricky Piersol.
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  Speaker 4: Those guys to me would be great fits in Jacksonville's offense.
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  Speaker 4: It's an offense that needs a route runner that can
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  Speaker 4: consistently get open and kind of play a role. I
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  Speaker 4: think those guys can play a role. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if you need like a Keen Coleman from Florida State that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they need that. I think they need
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  Speaker 3: a polished route runner that can do it.
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  Speaker 4: Luke McCaffrey from Rice Day two, Day three, someone.
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  Speaker 3: That can come in and do that.
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  Speaker 4: I would think it would be a player more like
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  Speaker 4: that than someone that is kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of like a marking name that has been held.
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  Speaker 4: As someone that's gonna come off the board in the
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  Speaker 4: first round. I don't think that's necessarily dens You go,
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  Speaker 4: that's a necessary thing.
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  Speaker 1: And you're not necessarily worried about size of this receiver,
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  Speaker 1: just if they can run the correct route and be
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  Speaker 1: in the right places. Lad McCaughey's what's six foot one
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  Speaker 1: eight five?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Six with one eighty five Ricky Parsols in that same mole.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Look, Adie Mitchell can do some of those things. I
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  Speaker 4: just want a good route runner.
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  Speaker 3: I think the two things that you're looking for in
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: this position. I think it's what Doug has.
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  Speaker 4: Talked about, like going all the way back to when
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  Speaker 4: Doug and I.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Were together in Green Bay. If you have a high
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: level quarterback, you can get away with.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: B plus receivers, meaning guys that are great route runners,
• 15:30
  Speaker 4: guys that are dependable and reliable, and guys that.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: Have high football IQs. That is what I'm looking for
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: if they bring someone in the draft, route running, dependable
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: hands who have a high i Q so he can
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: move around. Because in a perfect goal, this offense is
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: one way everyone can line up anywhere.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: And you dictate where they line up based on matchups
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: and most.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: Things all right.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Plenty of free agent coverage, of course, from the last
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: week or so at jaguars dot com free website.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Check it out.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: We're back in a moment. It's Pro Day season and
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: our man Bucky is on the scene. That's after this.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: It's the Huddle Up Podcast Ap Shattrick with Bucky Brooks
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: and the Jaguars are celebrating their thirtieth season. The time
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• 16:23
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  Speaker 1: Day season. As of the recording of this podcast on Wednesday,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: March twentieth, you're about to go cover what the Southern
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: California Pro Day?
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Is that? Right?
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: Like so right now at nfrom Network, we are all
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: about the quarterbacks.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: And so over the next week we're going.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: To look at Kid Williams, Drake May, and Jayden Daniels, respectively.
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  Speaker 3: So Kavid Williams is up, he has his pro Day
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: on Wednesday Day. Get a chance to see him.
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  Speaker 2: What does he need to show? What does he need
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  Speaker 2: to show? Bucky?
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I want to see this bat stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I want to see why people are talking about him
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  Speaker 4: as a generational talent.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: So if we talk about generational talent, you.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Should be not not only elite, but you have to
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  Speaker 4: be elite plus, meaning that you have a superpower that
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: separates you from some of the other guys. It's very
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: similar to when people were looking at Trevor Lawrence and
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence was coming out. They're talking about how special
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: he was and what you wanted to see from a
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: guy who was celebrated as the top graded prospect that
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: we've seen since Andrew.
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  Speaker 3: Look, well, Kati Williams is in that category.
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  Speaker 4: Based on what people are saying, I don't necessarily see
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  Speaker 4: him in the.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Same light, but I do think he's a really good player.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I want to see him dazzle and for him, what
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: are his dazzling traits because they moved off of Justin Fields,
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: who is an outstanding runner and playmaker.
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  Speaker 3: So Kavid Williams has to have that plus sum Let's
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: see what that arm looks like. Let's see if he
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: can spend it.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna make all these crazy off platform throws and
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: those things. But when you watch the workout, you could
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: feel his specialists just by the way the ball is thrown,
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: the accuracy in those things. They see if he lives
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: up to some of the height. Even though it's a
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: workout without a defense on the field, this should be
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: one where it's lay up, line drill.
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  Speaker 3: It should be nice. It should be Steph Curry. I
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: want to see Steph Curry warming up. That's what I
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: want to see because that's how he's celebrated.
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  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: There's got to be a load limit on how many
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: generational quarterbacks there are in a certain time period.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think if a generation is anywhere from
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty years, I don't.
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Think you can have five or six in a generation
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: to say they're generational talent. I think we have to
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: be careful with how.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: We loosely apply those terms.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: He's a really good prospect, but we've seen.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: JP last two years, last two three years, like since
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence is draft, he and Brock party are the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: only quarterbacks. There have been nineteen quarterbacks drafted. He and
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Brock Purty are the only two guys that are expected
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: to start going into next year. So when we talk
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: about all of these quarterbacks and how great this class is,
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: how great that guy is, I suggest that they're not.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Nearly as great as we talk about. So we need
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  Speaker 3: to see if we can.
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  Speaker 4: Uncover and see what makes him different than the majority
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  Speaker 4: of the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 3: That have entered the league in the last two or
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  Speaker 3: three years.
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  Speaker 1: Is that part of the that's part of the full
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: eleven months a year. We've got to pump every single
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: thing up off season process in the NFL, now, right,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is the pre draft thing where you
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: hype and hype and hype, and then the draft happens
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: and everything is expected from these guys, all of a
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  Speaker 1: sudden they may not live.
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  Speaker 3: Up to it. Yeah. No, look, look I'll take some
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  Speaker 3: of the blame. We do. We do a great job
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  Speaker 3: of selling the TV show that is the NFL.
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  Speaker 4: Draft, So we talk about these guys at nauseam. We
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: look at a college game and we hear people are
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: fixing first round grades to people. We don't even know
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: who's gonna be in the draft yet, but we've talked
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: about these guys and we celebrate them. And you know,
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: there's something that the league is going to have to
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: look at. Either we have an evaluation problem or we
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: have a developmental problem. Why can't we evaluate the quarterback position?
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: And when we do select a quarterback, why.
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  Speaker 3: Can't we develop them where they play close to the
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: expectation that.
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  Speaker 4: We put on them when they're coming out. There's something
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: to that. And I'll say this, and I think there's
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: a tip of a cap to Doug Peterson. A lot
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: of coaches have to have more flexibility and adaptability when
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: it comes to dealing with the quarterbacks.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: That high school in the college are producing.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: They're not going to be like yester year's quarterback where
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: they can control the game from.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: A lot of scrimmage, and they have all of these things.
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: It's a little more subjective because everyone is in the
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: spread offense. So as a coach, what do you have
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: in your bag to maximize the talents that the quarterback
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: brings to the table while minimizing his flaws.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: I think it's more of a coach issue than a
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: player issue. Everyone in the league has.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: To kind of re evaluate how they're developing and managing
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks and see if they can come up with a
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: plan that allows them to be at their best.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: All right, so Pro Day season Southern California, I think
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Ohio State is Wednesday as well. Though the wide receivers
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: not work, not running the forty, they might do some things.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows what else is coming up this week in
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Pro day Land.
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  Speaker 3: Who no, I mean, that's the major thing.
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  Speaker 4: But like we can talk about all these skill guys
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and Marvin Harrison Junior and all the wide receivers that
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: everyone is excited about. But you know, even though the
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Jaguars don't need a quarterback, the league is talking about
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks and what's going on, and so talk about Kayla
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Williams this week. Jayden Daniels, Drake May next week at
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: some point we see JJ McCarthy go and do we
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: have four guys that are worthy of going in the
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: top five? Do we have another quarterback that stinks into
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: the first round like Michael Pennant's or Bo Nicks those
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: other conversations.
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  Speaker 3: The pro day workout won't make a break whether.
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  Speaker 4: Those guys become first round on this, but they certainly
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: would give us enough conversation.
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  Speaker 3: They give us the buzz where we talked about those
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  Speaker 3: guys being worthy of consideration in the first round.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Bucky Brooks, j P.
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  Speaker 1: Shadwick, it's a huddle up final couple moments with here,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and you touched on this earlier. You know, with some
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of these free agent signings, you said that the Jaguars
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: are more poised now to be able to pick a
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: best available type of player at seventeen overall, So how
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  Speaker 1: about this scenario for you? Are you are you still
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: leaning towards a cornerback no matter what there or hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's say Georgia tight end brock Powers is available at
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  Speaker 1: seventeen and he's the best guy on your board? Are
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: you taking another tight end? Is that truly the best available.
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  Speaker 3: Look at you. I mean, look at what you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you're talking about the home of what used
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: to be known as the world's largest cocktail party.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: You talk about bringing someone who has been revered in
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: that area to be able to bring him put him
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: in that thing, and you know, I mean, we're not
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: even talking about tickets. Were just talking about a dynamic player.
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  Speaker 4: Look, brock Barers would be a great addition given what
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Doug Peterson has done. But can we take a tight
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: end in the first round after taking one last year
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  Speaker 4: in the second round that we didn't really get on
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  Speaker 4: the field.
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  Speaker 2: Right and right.
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  Speaker 1: But if you're truly best available and he's the best
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  Speaker 1: guy on your board.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah you gotta have that conversation.
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  Speaker 4: But typically what happens in these things when you get
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  Speaker 4: to your board and best player available, it tends to
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: align with the best player available just so happens to
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: fit the biggest need.
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  Speaker 3: I would think that. I think cornerback.
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  Speaker 4: I think multiple cornerbacks are going to be in played
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: this year early in the draft, given the new system
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: that's coming in Ryan Nelson coming at they.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Want to play more man to man. I think Ron
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Darby let the cat out in the bag. Hey, I'm
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: a Manda Man corner.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I want to go somewhere where I can play Manda Man.
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: Oh okay, I guess we're about to be a lot
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: of Manda Man. Well, if that's the case, you need
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: to make sure that you have a lot of guys
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: because not only does Manda Man require a different skill.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Set, it requires depth because that is a lot of
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: running across the field. You got to make sure that
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: you're really good in that area.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I would look for the Jaguars to heavily scout the
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: position in the.
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  Speaker 3: First round and also come back later.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: And see if you get another player that you can
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: add to the mix, because you got to have someone
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: not only behind Ronald Dark, but you need to have
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: someone as insurance for Tyson Campbell.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: I just want to make sure that you.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Have enough players that can go nose to nose and
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: play the style that they want to play.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: You still have to draft that second guy relatively high, right,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I mean you can't. The Jacks have had all eight round,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: six seventh round corners that are deep guys.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You gotta have a guy that can play.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: And this is a great draft to go and get corners.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: This a great draft to go and find those guys. Yeah,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I want to go high.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: I don't want to mess around. I'm not looking like
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: bargain basement shopping. I want to make sure that you
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: get someone that can play, and in the first three
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: rounds you can find guys.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: That can play.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: Also, you got to figure out what are you doing
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: with Antonio Johnson in terms of what role is he
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: going to play. He can be that star position, which
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: is really called that nickel defender, but there're gonna be.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Times where that nickel defender needs to be a true coverman.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Do you go and.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: Find another cover corner that can play in nickel like
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: the little kid.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: From Michigan Sanstril.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: Do you go and get a Max Milton from ro
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: those things like, There's some intriguing.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: Names that could kind of be floated around. But it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: a great draft for cornerback, so I'm excited to see
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: how it plays out.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: All right, corners for Bucky, it seems to be somewhat
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: of a consensus wide receivers creeping back in there too,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: but we'll see what happens. We've got about a month
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to discuss. Bucky enjoy the Pro day week and Caleb
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Williams performance on Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: We'll look forward to your analysis.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: So man, it should be fun. Man, looking forward to.
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  Speaker 2: Always going to see you.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: That's Bucky Brooks, JP Shadwick or thanks to Joe Fortunado
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: and Brent Reaver. Coming up Tag Wars Happy Hour Radio
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: tomorrow four o'clock. Kai Stevens in again this week with
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Jeff Logoman. The league meetings are next week twenty four
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: through twenty seventh, the offseason program April fifteenth, and then
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: the draft of course in late April.
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  Speaker 2: That will do it for this week's edition of Huddle
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  Speaker 2: Up