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Taylor Frankie Paul Announces Exit From Mormon Wives, Cites Bullying Castmates · I Do, Part 2

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  Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.
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  Speaker 2: It is Tuesday, September 22nd, and the star of Secret
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  Speaker 2: Lives of Mormon Wives says she is stepping away from
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  Speaker 2: the show because she's getting sick of being bullied by
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  Speaker 2: her castmates. And with that, welcome to this episode of
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  Speaker 2: Amy and TJ. When I say the star of this show,
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  Speaker 2: nobody has to Pause for a second. We know who
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Taylor, Frankie, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask? Can you name off the top of
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  Speaker 2: your head before you started doing this research this morning
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  Speaker 2: another person who's a member of that cast?
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  Speaker 1: I know. I can't give you first and last name.
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  Speaker 1: I know Whitney. I know Michaela. I know Macy.
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  Speaker 2: Michaela's a black girl.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's Layla. We've interviewed her.
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  Speaker 2: Layla?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we... Her name started with an M.
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  Speaker 2: Layla. Okay. The point being.
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  Speaker 1: But we've interviewed Macy as well. She's the blonde.
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  Speaker 2: Our point here being... And apologies that people we have
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  Speaker 2: even sat in a room with. Nobody stands out on
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  Speaker 2: this show the way that Taylor Frankie Paul does. That
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  Speaker 2: just is fact, is it not?
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  Speaker 1: No one else is a household name the way she is.
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  Speaker 2: And so, Robes, this was a big deal for her
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  Speaker 2: to be coming back, was it not? They're shooting season
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  Speaker 2: six right now.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, they're in the middle of shooting season six. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: for her to abruptly announce, and look, The franchise has just–
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  Speaker 1: I say franchise. The series has just announced that it's
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  Speaker 1: being renewed for two more seasons. But now– The Mormon thing? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's been so successful. But a lot of folks
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  Speaker 1: would point to the fact that Taylor Frankie Paul is
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  Speaker 1: the reason why it's been so successful. She's the reason
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  Speaker 1: why the show exists in the first place. It was
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  Speaker 1: her whole soft swinging scandal that led to the show.
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  Speaker 1: And now, with all of the drama with the Bachelorette
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  Speaker 1: and her custody battles and her issues with failed drug
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  Speaker 1: tests that we'll get into, yeah, that controversy, that gets
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  Speaker 1: people watching. So for her to leave is a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: This show is about nothing but drama, Robes. Like you said,
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  Speaker 2: it's even existence was based on that. Is this just
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  Speaker 2: more drama? Is this just what they do? And she'll
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  Speaker 2: be back on the show and... Does this feel any
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  Speaker 2: different to you than some of the other ones?
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  Speaker 1: A little bit in that I still think it could
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  Speaker 1: be temporary. I still think, obviously, she could come back
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  Speaker 1: or she could change her mind. But I do believe
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  Speaker 1: that she is at a very vulnerable state or in
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  Speaker 1: a very vulnerable state. And she has, at least in
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  Speaker 1: the past— year used Instagram and used social media to
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  Speaker 1: share with her followers what she's going through, how she's feeling.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's fair. I mean, I can only
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  Speaker 1: imagine what it would be like to be fighting for
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  Speaker 1: custody or at least just even visitation at this point
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  Speaker 1: of my kids fighting with two exes publicly dealing with
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence, not just allegations, but convictions and then more
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  Speaker 1: allegations that that would, Bury just about anybody. Now do
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  Speaker 1: it on a reality TV show where all the other
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  Speaker 1: girls are talking shit about you. Yes, that's a lot
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  Speaker 1: to deal with.
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  Speaker 2: Not that you were piling on, but I'd never put
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  Speaker 2: all of her problems collectively in that batch. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: everybody in their life, what's the worst thing you have
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  Speaker 2: to do? Oftentimes in a relationship, have some kind of
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  Speaker 2: fight with your ex. If that fight involves court, even worse.
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  Speaker 2: If that fight involves kids, even worse. She's got all that.
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  Speaker 2: She's got criminal charges, Robes. How awful is that for
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  Speaker 2: somebody to deal with? And now she's dealing with what?
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  Speaker 2: Reputation and even her ability to make money. Robes, everything
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  Speaker 2: seems to be crumbling around this young lady. I know
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  Speaker 2: some people say this is her fault, but man, I
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  Speaker 2: could give some grace for that's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I can still say, even if it's all self-imposed,
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  Speaker 1: which it appears to be, I still can... feel sorry
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  Speaker 1: for her and not in a like I'm pitying her
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  Speaker 1: way and that that is incredibly that is a huge
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  Speaker 1: unbelievably difficult hole to dig yourself out of.
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  Speaker 2: And she is digging the wrong direction it seems Robes
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of what's coming out now this idea
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  Speaker 2: I mean I was a little surprised no I'm not
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  Speaker 2: surprised of course they were going to bring her back
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  Speaker 2: to the show season five just dropped this summer and
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  Speaker 2: that one's all out people can see but they've been
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  Speaker 2: shooting season six Taylor Frankie Paul is going to be
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  Speaker 2: back I was curious. I have to be honest, babe.
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  Speaker 2: I was curious to see how they were going to
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  Speaker 2: bring her back into the fold. And I might check
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  Speaker 2: that show out. We haven't watched the first season since then.
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  Speaker 1: No, we only watched the first season. And I think
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  Speaker 1: we've seen a couple episodes here and there. We watched
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  Speaker 1: the episode on season five where she was leaving to
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  Speaker 1: go to The Bachelorette. Oh, my goodness. So, yes, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it is drama-filled. There's no question about it. But she
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  Speaker 1: put out an extremely long Instagram post. She had a
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  Speaker 1: caption on one side, and then she had three slides saying,
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  Speaker 1: with three different pictures and comments on each of them.
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  Speaker 1: We can go through it a little bit. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if we need to read the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: Well, how much do you think? I ran through it all,
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  Speaker 2: but with the parts you think are most relevant, I'm
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  Speaker 2: with you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. So she starts by saying, my gratitude goes to
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  Speaker 1: all the networks that supported me throughout this and gave
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  Speaker 1: me the chance to return. However, I don't desire to
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  Speaker 1: move forward like this. I originally was willing to be
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  Speaker 1: removed to let them all continue on with less stress,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm back to that point. Some of the girls
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  Speaker 1: know what I've been through. And then to turn and
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  Speaker 1: collectively pile on with their statements, knowing there has been
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  Speaker 1: ongoing abuse throughout the system in the last eight months
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  Speaker 1: on top of what I've endured. Almost the entire case,
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  Speaker 1: plus some going at me, laughing about my kids, is disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: And I bit my tongue there. These same people had
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  Speaker 1: meetings telling me I need to lead the way of pay.
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  Speaker 1: My voice was the only one that can make it happen.
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  Speaker 1: And then they would work from what I demanded. I'm
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  Speaker 1: grateful I never followed through with their request of demands.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm grateful I kept the same pay out of
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  Speaker 1: fairness and integrity. I treated production and crew with respect always.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, they are the ones who checked on me
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  Speaker 1: throughout this. I agree it's to the point of bullying
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  Speaker 1: for months now. What makes it harder to take in
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  Speaker 1: is some of these parents have made mistakes that would
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  Speaker 1: result in the same judgment I'm receiving, yet pointing a finger. However,
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  Speaker 1: it's a pleasure to remove myself so they can continue
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  Speaker 1: because I've almost convinced myself I'm deserving of all this
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  Speaker 1: pain to a certain degree. Absolutely, this is the consequence
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  Speaker 1: of my actions. My question has been, how much suffering
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  Speaker 1: and scrutiny is going to be enough? I'm just relieved
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  Speaker 1: to be out.
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  Speaker 2: Look, she threw around some allegations there that I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if the other women have come out and completely
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  Speaker 2: been able to answer. But short of that, I believe
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  Speaker 2: in what she's saying. I can't imagine what that feels like.
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  Speaker 2: And I know she's supposed to live her life. She's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to expose, give us everything. That's the expectation. That's
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  Speaker 2: why she became a star. Bro, she probably should. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if she should have come right back to
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  Speaker 2: the show so quickly. She's got a lot. We've been
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  Speaker 2: watching live streamed court hearings between her and Dakota. She's
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  Speaker 2: just exposed in every way. Robes, some of that pain
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  Speaker 2: is maybe coming through in that.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And some of the slides with the pictures on
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  Speaker 1: two of them, she shows herself. There's like a selfie
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  Speaker 1: where she looks distraught. And she puts up comments from
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  Speaker 1: other people basically saying, you're being bullied. So she's getting
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  Speaker 1: validation from users, and she put their comments up about
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  Speaker 1: basically that the girls on the cast have been bullying her.
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  Speaker 1: But the one that I thought was really interesting, she
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  Speaker 1: has a picture of her in the desert. I believe
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  Speaker 1: it's the opening to season– I don't know if it's
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  Speaker 1: five or six. But she said, I wasn't in the intro–
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  Speaker 1: Because I was sent messages stating there was a group
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  Speaker 1: that wanted me to get to the point of committing suicide.
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  Speaker 1: I turned around sick, wanting to be home. Real or not,
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  Speaker 1: someone made them for me to read. So it was
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  Speaker 1: a little cryptic, I guess. I don't know. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: watched the opening to season five. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: she's referring to the opening of season six. But it
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  Speaker 1: looks like it's this, you know, and she just has
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  Speaker 1: like one shot of it. And apparently she's not in
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  Speaker 1: the interest. She was saying she had to leave. while
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  Speaker 1: they were filming because she heard that there was a
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  Speaker 1: group trying to make her feel so bad about herself
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  Speaker 1: that they wanted her to kill herself.
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  Speaker 2: I'm hearing that right. The suggestion is we're going to
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  Speaker 2: do this mean thing to her to push her over
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  Speaker 2: the edge?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. So she said that's what she's alleging. And look,
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  Speaker 1: in terms of allegations, TMZ has come out with, if true,
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  Speaker 1: this is significant. She has reportedly failed multiple times recent
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  Speaker 1: drug tests, according to the outlet. She was ordered by
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  Speaker 1: a Utah court in the whole custody thing to have
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  Speaker 1: this random drug testing. And the results of those drug
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  Speaker 1: tests were under a protective order, but her ex-husband asked
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  Speaker 1: for them to be unsealed. And then at that point,
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  Speaker 1: somehow TMZ gained access to them. And they claim that
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  Speaker 1: she has failed multiple drug tests in the last 60 days.
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  Speaker 2: Multiple, baby. I mean, what is she?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's tough. It's tough.
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  Speaker 2: If that is true, she did it. If there's some
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  Speaker 2: other explanation for that, some prescription drugs she was taking,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But, Robes, it's piling on. As much
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  Speaker 2: as she's being watched and scrutinized, it's hard to understand
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  Speaker 2: why she would do that. She's got to be on
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  Speaker 2: the best behavior for your kids sake didn't they just
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  Speaker 2: reduce right her her parenting.
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  Speaker 1: So now the court because of these drug tests ordered
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  Speaker 1: that she is now limited to eight hours of parenting
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  Speaker 1: time each week so she gets four hours with her
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  Speaker 1: two kids with Tate Paul and four hours with her
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  Speaker 1: baby with Dakota. That's it. A week.
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  Speaker 2: That's heartbreaking, baby.
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  Speaker 1: That's all you get.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's heartbreaking for her. I know, I know,
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  Speaker 2: I know. A lot of people listening, she brought this
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  Speaker 2: on herself. She's doing this. She's a bad mom. She's
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  Speaker 2: this and that. Oh, I understand people coming with that.
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  Speaker 2: But Rogues, that's his heartbreaking stuff. Just talking as parents here, man,
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  Speaker 2: to hear A court is saying, you are such a threat.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have it together that you can only see
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  Speaker 2: your child for four hours.
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  Speaker 1: A week.
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  Speaker 2: Robes, Sabine comes home after school. We spend a quality
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  Speaker 2: four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Every day.
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  Speaker 2: Just talking. Not doing stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Just talking.
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  Speaker 2: Robes, that is painful. That is hurtful. I hope this
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  Speaker 2: girl gets it together because we said from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 2: we always liked her.
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  Speaker 1: She seemed real.
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  Speaker 2: From the moment she walked in the room, she is
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  Speaker 2: real now. and real folks have real problems. She's just
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  Speaker 2: like the rest of us in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 2: How many of us got family members, can't get it together?
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  Speaker 2: How many of us got all this stuff going on?
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  Speaker 1: And cameras rolling and the pressure and the scrutiny and
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  Speaker 1: the shame, that cannot help. And so if you already,
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  Speaker 1: because when we interviewed her, She was sober, and she
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  Speaker 1: had been sober, I believe, for a year at that point.
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  Speaker 1: She was very proud of it. But unfortunately, when you
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  Speaker 1: are battling addiction or any sort of impulse control, and
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  Speaker 1: now you add public shame, scrutiny, a feeling of hopelessness,
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  Speaker 1: losing custody, that all makes you want to do the
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  Speaker 1: behavior you're trying to stop. It feeds- Into this vicious
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  Speaker 1: cycle and it's awful to see it all playing out
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  Speaker 1: in front of everyone.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember seeing her mom on an episode, but
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  Speaker 2: I mean, what is her support group? Because all the
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  Speaker 2: women that are there and her friends that she's working
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  Speaker 2: with hate her, at least according to what she's explaining. Like,
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  Speaker 2: who is helping this young lady?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I don't sit here and make any excuses
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  Speaker 2: for her, but I just, I do, baby. I give
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  Speaker 2: folks a little grace. She is going through it and yes,
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  Speaker 2: she should be scrutinized and even criticized, beat up?
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  Speaker 1: No. Yes. Bullied? No. And when we come back, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is a big loss for the series, The Secret
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  Speaker 1: Lives of Mormon Wives, because they've had two other star
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  Speaker 1: cast members just quit, and two of their other star
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  Speaker 1: members are saying TBD if they're going to continue on
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  Speaker 1: after season six. Welcome back, everyone, to Amy and TJ. Yes, Taylor, Frankie,
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  Speaker 1: Paul has made the announcement on social media that she
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  Speaker 1: is leaving the secret lives of Mormon wives because of
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  Speaker 1: bullying by her castmates. And we read a lot of
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  Speaker 1: what she put out there on social media. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of people think it is in direct response to Michaela Matthews.
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  Speaker 1: She's another big star. She announced that she was leaving
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of filming season six. So this made
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  Speaker 1: some headlines. Because she not only said she was leaving
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of filming, she gave the reason why.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a direct shot at Taylor Frankie Paul.
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  Speaker 1: So Michaela wrote this. I made my decision over a
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  Speaker 1: week ago after hearing some news, and we believe this
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  Speaker 1: is the failed drug tests, that I will not be
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  Speaker 1: continuing the show at this moment. I've said from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable being a part of something that continues
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  Speaker 1: to platform behavior I don't agree with, especially given my
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  Speaker 1: own experience growing up in a home with multiple forms
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  Speaker 1: of abuse. There's no amount of money worth going against
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  Speaker 1: my morals or changing the stance I've had since I
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  Speaker 1: first saw and heard things that made me feel this strongly.
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  Speaker 1: And for me personally, continuing to directly profit from this
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  Speaker 1: behavior feels wrong and unethical. It feels like a disservice
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  Speaker 1: to the children, everyone, and the millions of people watching.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. Michaela... Matthews. said the thing that Hulu and Disney
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  Speaker 2: probably should have said. Damn, Michaela. I'm looking at her
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  Speaker 2: now and I recognize her, who she is from the show. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Damn. She's a prominent star.
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  Speaker 2: Baby, she said the thing. I don't have it in
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  Speaker 2: front of me. I want to ask you to read
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  Speaker 2: that last... The part benefiting from behavior. What did she
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  Speaker 2: just say?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. She said there is no... Wait, sorry. The
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  Speaker 1: benefit of the behavior.
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  Speaker 2: There's no amount of money.
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  Speaker 1: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: From there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable being a part of something that continues
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  Speaker 1: to platform behavior I don't agree with, especially given my
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  Speaker 1: own experience growing up in a home with multiple forms
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  Speaker 1: of abuse. There's no amount of money worth going against
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  Speaker 1: my morals. or changing the stance I've had since I
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  Speaker 1: first saw and heard the things that made me feel
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  Speaker 1: this strongly. And for me personally, continuing to directly profit
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  Speaker 1: from this behavior feels wrong and unethical. Mikayla.
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  Speaker 2: She said it. God. Mikayla, because isn't that the thing?
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  Speaker 1: And you're right. I didn't think about it like that.
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  Speaker 1: Hulu and Disney. should have said the exact same thing.
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  Speaker 2: We don't want to continue to directly profit from this
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  Speaker 2: behavior because we know we are profiting on her being
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  Speaker 2: a mess. We're profiting on her pain, her court appearances,
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  Speaker 2: her drug deals, her arrests. We are actually, because they
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  Speaker 2: know this.
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  Speaker 1: And some might argue her children's abuse.
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  Speaker 2: They know this. Michaela, well done, well said. She brought
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  Speaker 2: it home. That was it. baby, directly profiting. And I
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  Speaker 2: just put their names there first. If Disney had said that,
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  Speaker 2: if Hulu had done that, I understand they lost a
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  Speaker 2: lot of money on The Bachelorette, right?
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  Speaker 1: But that was a calculated choice they made and they
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  Speaker 1: knew the risks. It was.
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  Speaker 2: And they knew more than we did.
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  Speaker 1: They knew she had a domestic violence conviction.
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  Speaker 2: The videos that come out and all of this, Robes,
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  Speaker 2: it does. That statement, if it gets repeated, makes everybody
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  Speaker 2: else feel like we don't care. how horrible things are
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  Speaker 2: going in her life personally, that's bringing us viewers. Robes, Mikayla,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know much about her. I don't know anything
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  Speaker 2: about her. But that right there, that reads for me, baby.
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  Speaker 2: That makes sense. And isn't this what this is all about?
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  Speaker 2: And our upset at the Robes, it's not throwing us
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  Speaker 2: back into this thing, baby. But when you see someone,
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  Speaker 2: a company, make a decision on what they believe is
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  Speaker 2: the right moral character balanced against Balance sheets. And they
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  Speaker 2: made a calculation that what she did was worth it.
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  Speaker 2: We'll continue to promote this bad behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get paid. Rose, Michaela just messed me up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And interestingly, Hulu has not said a word since
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  Speaker 1: Taylor Frankie Paul has made this announcement. And people are
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  Speaker 1: speculating or at least saying, well, now Disney certainly can't
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  Speaker 1: put The Bachelorette up now with these failed drug tests
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  Speaker 1: because they have absolutely been holding on to that season, hoping-
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  Speaker 1: that they could possibly, if she redeemed herself, if there
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: was some sort of, you know, rising from the ashes,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: if they could actually follow that narrative, then they could
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: maybe get the bachelorette back on. But this girl is
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: a mess and she needs help. And she doesn't, I mean,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: I don't see how it's even possible. So that's now, oh,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: it's probably not, it should never have even been likely
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: or even in any way a possible thing. opportunity for
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: them to put this season back on.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: What was their language in talking? Because they never closed
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the door on it.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: At this time. I believe everything.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Was at this time. You're 100% right.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: That was the phrase that they used. But we also
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: heard from Macy Neely and Layla Taylor. And Layla, remember,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: we had her in the studio with us. They both
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: announced that, yes, they're finishing filming season six, unlike Michaela,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: who just dropped out. But in terms of a season
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: seven or a season eight, they say they are unsure
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: about their future on the show. Whitney Leavitt also left,
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: but that was season five because, look, this girl has
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: blown up. She played Roxy in Chicago to great reviews.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: She's making her feature debut in a holiday rom-com, so
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: she's on her way with her acting and singing career.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: So Whitney's out of there. They also announced that Dakota...
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: is not returning for any of the seasons either, but
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: we didn't think he would be either because of the
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: whole entanglement with Taylor Frankie Paul. But this is a mess.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: It is. And there are some executives sitting somewhere going, man,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: how can we make this work for us? Trying to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: figure this out. Are they trying to salvage Season six?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Well, they just announced, yes, obviously they're trying to salvage
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: season six, and they're also trying to set up a
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: season seven and a season eight right now.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: How deep are they into shooting season six?
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: Halfway, midway through. They're midway through.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: So then people will probably tune in for this drama,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: won't they?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: They will absolutely tune in to see what happens and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: how it all went down and this bullying that she
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: talks about.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Is this, babe, are they just messing with us again?
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Is there any chance this is her? Is this calculated?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: This is building up? It's okay, this was in the, ooh,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I gotta watch to see this bullying. that happens in
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: episode one, two, three, four, and five before she finds,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: is there any chance, babe?
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Look, I know that there are plenty of cynics out
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: there who might believe that is the case. It didn't
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: seem like it from her Instagram post. It seemed heartfelt.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And I think given the fact that she has, according
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: to TMZ, failed multiple recent drug tests, that her visitation
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: has been limited further with her kids, it all reads
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: as true and authentic.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: That's awful. But i don't know i don't disney doesn't
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: need to say anything about the bachelorette there was no
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: it wasn't on the schedule anyway i'm just i am
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: curious and when did the info come out about her
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: um the uh where she spent the night after she
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: left the bachelorette shooting she went to dakota.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: That's all been out. It's been out for, I'm trying
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: to remember, for just for a few days now.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that is new.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: It's fairly new that she, because someone said that she
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: literally got engaged on The Bachelorette, got home and that
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: night slept with Dakota. I believe she said no, it
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: was the next night. So the point being is, how
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: could you possibly put The Bachelorette on and have anybody
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: be engaged? I mean, I guess people would watch just
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to watch. but you aren't actually watching somebody fall in
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: love and want to get married to somebody because clearly
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: she came back home and went straight back to Dakota.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: How could they? They would just have to put, maybe
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: they could put it online somewhere. Would people watch it?
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course they would watch it because also remember
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: you and I, the one we did watch on season
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: five at the end was her heading out to go
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: onto The Bachelorette and we see her literally telling Dakota
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: she loves him basically. So, That already seemed disingenuous in
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: terms of why she was going on The Bachelor. Why
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: would you be going on a show to find love
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: if you're telling someone else that you're in a toxic
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: relationship with that you're in love with them?
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That's burned in my memory right now. She was in
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: that SUV having that call. He was standing in the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: kitchen somewhere. Save a rose for me.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Isn't that what he said or something like that? It
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like she had any intention whatsoever to move
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: on and find someone else. Certainly not someone else who
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: she would go find. right off into the sunset with.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Where is that guy? I'd like to talk to him.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, they should all sue. No, I'm not, don't
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: mean that literally, but I'm saying if somebody did, I
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: would go, okay, I could see that.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I could see it too. And who's to say that
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: won't happen? Maybe they were holding out hope that somehow,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: some way the season would still be salvaged.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: But you put us in a situation with a woman
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: that you all knew wasn't available. She wasn't available. And
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you're telling me, I'm sure there are a few guys
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: in there, maybe a handful trying to get some clout,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: maybe trying to build a following, maybe want to be famous.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: There's a few guys who were looking for love. There
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: were a few guys who were hoping to find something special,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a relationship. You put them in there with this.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: And to that point, it damaged the entire credibility of
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: the franchise. Damn.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: That's it. It just sucks. This is a storied franchise.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: We've enjoyed it over the years, a time or two
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason. But at this point, it's an institution
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: damn near. You don't want to see it go out
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: like this. I can actually say that. I don't want
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it to go out like this.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. No. But just think about how many people's lives...
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: were upended and some would even argue destroyed from all
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of this. And executives who knew better, executives who knew
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: what was going on, decided to focus on profits versus
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: on people. And I think that's pretty obvious.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Just give Macy, what was her name? The young lady who, Kayla,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: what's the one that did the, Michaela?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Michaela. Amen.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: She nailed it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Michaela Matthews.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Michaela nailed it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: For the win, I guess, because there aren't many winners
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: in this one. But we'll continue to follow... the headlines
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: that seem to keep percolating around Taylor Frankie Paul. With that, everyone, though,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Robach,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: alongside TJ Holmes. We'll talk soon.