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Credlin | 3 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Petero Kranblad live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program. Be in a big
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Speaker 2: a few days in the coalition and I think plenty
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Speaker 2: more to come. He's what's on the show tonight. The
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Speaker 2: Nationals have broken ranks on net zero, pressure down, mounting
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Speaker 2: on liberally to Susan Lee to choose a side.
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Speaker 3: Some moderates are reportedly canvassing a move.
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Speaker 2: To break the coalition rather than walk away from net zero.
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Speaker 2: That happens, goes any chance the party has a form
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Speaker 2: in government again. So could they really be that stupid
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Speaker 2: class labors both billing reboot. It's unraveling they promised beginning election,
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Speaker 2: didn't they? The PM holding up that Medicare card at
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Speaker 2: every opportunity, But the results are now in new data
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Speaker 2: revealing how few clinics have actually bothered.
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Speaker 3: To sign up.
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Speaker 2: Experts say the harving of required burnoffs has left us
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Speaker 2: vulnerable to repeat of the devastating Black Saturday bushfires which
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Speaker 2: killed one hundred and seventy three people. They say the
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Speaker 2: fuel load is bigger than ever with the Greens controlling
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Speaker 2: many local councils.
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Speaker 3: Clearly we've left nothing.
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Speaker 2: From the PM today back in the Parliament from overseas
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Speaker 2: and pretty cocker hoop riding high on the coalition's chaos.
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Speaker 4: I'm pleased to get a question from Charmant, who of
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Speaker 4: course is now Shadow Treasurer, who was promoted into the
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Speaker 4: position of Shadow Treasurer after going to an election with
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Speaker 4: a six hundred billion dollar plan for nuclear power in
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Speaker 4: the twenty forties.
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Speaker 2: Be very careful of that, humorous, mister Abneasy. But first,
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Speaker 2: it's the definition of insanity to do the same thing
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Speaker 2: over and over again and yet expect a different result.
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Speaker 2: This is what's happened to the Federal Coalition ever since
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Speaker 2: they drank the Climbate kool aid and fell into line
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Speaker 2: with Scott Morrison's demand that they embraced the It zero
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Speaker 2: was he borded a plane to the Glasgow Climate Summit. Now,
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Speaker 2: for Morrison, this was the beginning of the end. After
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Speaker 2: steadfastly refusing to follow Labour's lead on climate policy ever
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Speaker 2: since twenty ten. He was a liberal party hitching its
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Speaker 2: wag into Labors or because its moderate faction told anyone
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Speaker 2: who would listen that me toing the left on climate
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Speaker 2: would help them hang on to well healed inner city
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Speaker 2: seats that were under threat from this new brand of
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Speaker 2: climate independence that we now know as the Teals.
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Speaker 3: Well, Scott, how that go for you? What so well
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Speaker 3: did it?
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Speaker 2: The Lib's lost big then, and they've been losing ever since,
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Speaker 2: while continuing to hold fast to.
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Speaker 3: Labour's net zero position.
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Speaker 2: There is a real lesson here on the political fundamental
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Speaker 2: that policy and strategy has to connect with convictions where
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Speaker 2: the Coalition has had policies to protect the environment but
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Speaker 2: also protect jobs and prosperity. Think twenty ten, twenty thirteen
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Speaker 2: and twenty nineteen. It's done well where it's roll over
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Speaker 2: to Labor because some smart Alex told them that neutralizing
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Speaker 2: climate as an issue would help them, or they have
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Speaker 2: big as they did in twenty twenty two under Morrison,
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Speaker 2: and of course earlier this year, and today's Newspologis confirms
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Speaker 2: that story of woe. Never before has the coalition's primary
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Speaker 2: vote been as low.
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Speaker 3: A few weeks.
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Speaker 2: Ago, when it was all at a previous low of
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Speaker 2: twenty seven percent, Liberals argued with me that they had
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Speaker 2: hit rock bottom and they said from here on in
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Speaker 2: the vote would improve.
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Speaker 3: I said, I disagree with you.
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Speaker 2: I said, you'll only know you've hit rock bottom when
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Speaker 2: you admit what you've got wrong, and you said about
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Speaker 2: trying to fix it, I said, you guys still can't
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Speaker 2: admit you've got climate policies wrong as you have, and
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Speaker 2: that unless you appreciate that energy and the economy are
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Speaker 2: as instrumental to climate policies anything else, that they all
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Speaker 2: feed into one another, then you'll fall and the vote
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Speaker 2: will continue. They said, but where's the base going to go?
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Speaker 2: They've got nowhere to go. They said, well, that was
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Speaker 2: their first mistake, because the base has found somewhere to go,
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Speaker 2: and they are going. As today's newspot makes clear, One Nation,
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Speaker 2: the only party to consistently oppose NED zero, has gone
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Speaker 2: from six percent of a vote at the recent election
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Speaker 2: to now fifteen.
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Speaker 3: Percent in use Pol today.
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Speaker 2: That is their best ever result, and that increase in
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Speaker 2: the One nation vote almost exactly mirrors the fall in
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Speaker 2: the coalition's vote.
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Speaker 3: Now have they gone for good? Maybe not right now.
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Speaker 2: It's as bad as it's been for the coalition in many,
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Speaker 2: many years. And because politics is less tribal and more
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Speaker 2: fickle than ever, there are no guarantees even if policies
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Speaker 2: were to change, they're going to get these voters back now.
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Speaker 2: To be clear, I use the term coalition here it tonight,
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Speaker 2: but let's be a bit more accurate. This is the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party that's in trouble. It's the Liberal Party vote
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Speaker 2: that's in free fall. It's the Liberal Party's lack of
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Speaker 2: direction that's the albatross around the coalition's neck. Look at
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Speaker 2: what happened over the weekend. By a unanimous vote, the
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Speaker 2: National Party dropped net zero, no ifs, butts, no qualifications,
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Speaker 2: no aspiration.
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Speaker 3: It is gone.
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Speaker 2: In recent years it's been the junior partner, hasn't it
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Speaker 2: leading the way in the coalition On the voice, it
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Speaker 2: was the Nationals who took a position on principle to
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Speaker 2: oppose a race based change to our constitution. And it's
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Speaker 2: been the Nationals in recent years that have held on
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Speaker 2: to their seats when the Liberals have been reduced to
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Speaker 2: a rump.
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Speaker 3: At a state level. Are now in camera.
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Speaker 2: Given this record to day, given that their four year
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Speaker 2: fleeing with net zero's were than nothing but electoral pain,
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Speaker 2: surely the Liberals would be smart enough to realize.
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Speaker 3: That net zero is best abandoned.
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Speaker 2: On radio this morning, the National Party's Mad Canavan may
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Speaker 2: the good point that net zero had never actually been
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Speaker 2: formally adopted by the Joint Party room pretty much because
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Speaker 2: it was a Scott Morrison's captain call in the lead
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Speaker 2: up to.
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Speaker 1: Glasgow when natzero was adopted four years ago. As you said,
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Speaker 1: you can't understand why we did it. Well, in fact
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Speaker 1: it wasn't. There was no decision of the Liberal National
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Speaker 1: Party room. There's no debate and the liber National Party
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Speaker 1: rooms imposed by Scott Morrison as a leader and my recommendations.
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Speaker 1: We work best as a group when we talk things
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Speaker 1: about debate things. That's how the partiment should work.
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Speaker 2: Back at the time, as Matt says, it was not
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Speaker 2: formally adopted in the Joint Party room, it was debated
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Speaker 2: in the National Party Room, with a NAT's only deciding
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Speaker 2: on a margin of twelve votes to nine to support
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Speaker 2: net zero after winning a twenty billion dollar regional package
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Speaker 2: as a trade off. Since then, the United States has
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Speaker 2: abandoned net zero and a president who says climate change
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Speaker 2: is a hoax. British Labour's Tony Blair has said that
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Speaker 2: net zero is doomed to fail. Not one of the
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Speaker 2: big emitters have reduced their emissions. Most of them too,
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Speaker 2: have rejected net zero and just Last week, Bill Gates,
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Speaker 2: a long time climate catastrophis, recanted the whole climate religion,
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Speaker 2: saying that climate was not the biggest issue facing the
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Speaker 2: world and that instead of obsessing over emissions reduction this
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Speaker 2: is Bill Gates, He said, we should worry more about
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Speaker 2: tackling poverty and disease. Even Scott Morrison, who forced the
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Speaker 2: limbs into net zero, now says at zero at any
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Speaker 2: cost on any rigid timetable is not policy, it's just ideology.
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Speaker 3: In the wake of the NAT's.
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Speaker 2: Weekend decision, Susan Lee reportedly had a two hour Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party leadership meeting to discuss it. Net zero now supposedly
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Speaker 2: said at Deputy leader a Rustin told the meeting that
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Speaker 2: it would be madness to scrap the net zero target
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Speaker 2: and that the Nats, she said, were holding a gun
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Speaker 2: to the Liberal's head.
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Speaker 3: What about that?
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Speaker 2: And that's actually showing that lives a way out of
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Speaker 2: their current predicament. If you want to arrest this diabolical
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Speaker 2: slump in your polls, you liberals got to show some backbone.
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Speaker 3: You've got to start to stand for something. You've got
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Speaker 3: to stop the.
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Speaker 2: Me tooing of labor on something as critical as our
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Speaker 2: energy and economic future. As someone who got the Liberal
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Speaker 2: leadership by just one vote, Susan Lee is doubtless worried
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Speaker 2: about the twenty or so Liberals who are supposedly wedded
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Speaker 2: to net zero. But this is where the leader is
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Speaker 2: better to be a leader than a follower. Given that
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Speaker 2: the pursuit of net zero has driven up energy prices,
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Speaker 2: it's closed down heavy industry and is now ruining vast
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Speaker 2: tracks of our national parks and prime agricultural land. Australian
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Speaker 2: people deserve a clear choice at the next election. Given
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Speaker 2: the Labour's energy policy means subsidizing renewable to drive their takeup,
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Speaker 2: then subsidizing consumers to avoid bill shock, and then finally
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Speaker 2: subsidizing coal five power station to keep the lights on.
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Speaker 2: Surely the Australian people deserve to be off at a
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Speaker 2: sane energy policy. And if the Limbs are going to
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Speaker 2: dump net zero, the sooner they do it the better,
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Speaker 2: given they will have to argue the case day in
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Speaker 2: day out until polling day. Yes, Susan Lee became the
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Speaker 2: leader relying on the votes of the Liberal left, but
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Speaker 2: by taking a clear position against net zero, she can
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Speaker 2: cement her position by showing that she's capable of tough decisions,
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Speaker 2: not just fighting about T shirts and Kevin Rudd, but
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Speaker 2: the stuff that really matters to real people. The worst
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Speaker 2: possible outcome would be to play for time on an
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Speaker 2: issue it's been around for at least a decade. I
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Speaker 2: whan she's been in the Parliament for twenty five years.
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Speaker 2: She should have a clear position here. Nor could she
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Speaker 2: afford to fudge what should be a position she owns
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Speaker 2: with conviction. When you're either going to stand up to
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Speaker 2: the global climate alarmists or you're not, You're either ready
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Speaker 2: to protect Australia's economic few or you're not. This is
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Speaker 2: not about taking the Liberal Party of the writers some
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Speaker 2: today are trying to claim people who probably never voted
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Speaker 2: Liberal in their life. This is about making the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party the Liberal Party again, because right now, if this persists,
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Speaker 2: if the party persists with his green left me tooing
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Speaker 2: of labor on climate, it's just managing its decline. I mean,
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Speaker 2: wake up and get focused on the economic fundamentals. If
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Speaker 2: they do that, the Libs might have a chance. But
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Speaker 2: that's how serious it is now. This is not about
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Speaker 2: the future direction of the party. It's about whether the
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Speaker 2: Liberals can survive at all. Write another busy week in
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Speaker 2: camera for this one, though the main man's in the
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Speaker 2: top chair of the Prime Minister's back in the country
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Speaker 2: at least for a few days. Treaty Macintosh. I know
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Speaker 2: he's in and out, but we've got him today. And
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Speaker 2: of course he was a feature of Question Time. I'll
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Speaker 2: get to that in the moment, because yes, the pan
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Speaker 2: was back. The only story in town was the whole
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Speaker 2: net zero debate and the Coalition and we saw that
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Speaker 2: decision yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm trying to think.
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Speaker 2: Of the day yes the weekend by the National Party
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Speaker 2: that they would drop it, and then Susan Lee having
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Speaker 2: a meeting with her crew sitting on a barb wire fence.
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Speaker 3: They have yet to make their decision.
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Speaker 5: What are you hearing, Well, it seems inevitable that Susan
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Speaker 5: Lee is going to have to walk away from net
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Speaker 5: zero in some form, and there is big divisions inside
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Speaker 5: Liberal ranks as to exactly the best path forward.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 5: We took, as you talked about, Peter, that meeting last
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Speaker 5: night of the leadership team within the Liberals. The leaks
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Speaker 5: out of that the most one of the prominent moderates
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Speaker 5: here and Roston she's very close to Susan Lee saying
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Speaker 5: that it'd be madness to ditch the target.
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Speaker 2: But there are a whole.
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Speaker 5: Rank of senior Conservatives in that team, including James Patterson,
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Speaker 5: Angus Taylor, Michaalia Cash, who've been arguing in favor of
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Speaker 5: ditching net zero.
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Speaker 3: This is a very.
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Speaker 5: Difficult path for Susan Lee to balance going forward. It's
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Speaker 5: unclear if she's going to be able to land this
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Speaker 5: or if she's essentially on borrowed time in terms of
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Speaker 5: her own leadership. It just seems like a fundamentally irreconcilable
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Speaker 5: position at the moment.
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Speaker 3: Say the Liberals stick with net.
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Speaker 5: Zero, Peter, the Nationals are vehemently opposed to net zero.
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Speaker 5: If they go to the election with a position like that,
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Speaker 5: how could you possibly know as a voter, Well, what's
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Speaker 5: going to happen if you win government? Will the target stay?
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Speaker 3: Will the target go?
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Speaker 5: They need to get to a position in this coalition
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Speaker 5: where they can all be on the same page, But
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Speaker 5: that might be asking too much given the very strong
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Speaker 5: opinions there are in that party room.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think if they're not on the same page,
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Speaker 2: that there is no coalition truly. I think that's the
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Speaker 2: brutal reality of it. And I don't think it can
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Speaker 2: be pregnant half pregnant on net zero. I mean, if
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Speaker 2: we know, as the government freely admits that they cannot
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Speaker 2: get to the twenty thirty targets, so they're bust. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if they believe in them or not, they're
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Speaker 2: not going to get there. They're unachievable. Then you've got
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Speaker 2: the twenty thirty five targets. Well, the coalitions already said
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Speaker 2: Liberals and Nationals they will not support those. Now the
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Speaker 2: heck can support the next round of targets if the
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Speaker 2: ones they are built on twenty thirty five ones, you've
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Speaker 2: already said we're not backing them in.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is the problem always. Yeah, I mean,
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Speaker 3: God love Anne Rusten.
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Speaker 2: I mean she's a senator right, no skin in the game,
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Speaker 2: and she's from South Australia. I mean, look at how
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party in South Australia has been fairing in
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Speaker 2: recent times. They toss out a seventeen year labor government,
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Speaker 2: they get in for a term, they change their leader
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Speaker 2: a couple of times, they're out again and they're in
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Speaker 2: no man's land. So yeah, I wouldn't be taking advice
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Speaker 2: from a South Australian Liberal at the moment. I think
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Speaker 2: they've got to get back to basics and they've got
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Speaker 2: to look at the last two elections and that is
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Speaker 2: where they're backed in net zero and that is where
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Speaker 2: they've been annihilated. It hasn't won in the till seats,
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Speaker 2: as all the moderates say. And look at Newspoul today, Truty,
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Speaker 2: it's a wipeout.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: People read into those poles in different ways. Moderates read
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Speaker 5: into that pole. The reason why it's going down is
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Speaker 5: because we've spent six months doing nothing but I internally
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Speaker 5: fight about energy policy, whereas people on the right of
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Speaker 5: the party, those in the national ranks, they're rightly concerned
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Speaker 5: with being undermined by a rise in the one nation vote.
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Speaker 5: I think the fascinating dynamic, Peter, As you say, though
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Speaker 5: this twenty fifty target is so far away, there is
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Speaker 5: more immediate targets that they could be arguing about. But
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Speaker 5: because they can't settle net zero by twenty fifty, they
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Speaker 5: can't even get to having a litigation of whether labor
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Speaker 5: is or isn't going to meet its more immediate climate targets.
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Speaker 5: There's part of a remediate that they've already watched. This
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Speaker 5: space far comes up.
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Speaker 3: Well, they've not said they're not going to have in
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Speaker 3: two hours. I know they made a decision.
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Speaker 2: They can't get to a decision onto an activity. I know,
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Speaker 2: so part of room tomorrow. I would expect something will
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Speaker 2: come out of that. Talk to you about question time.
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Speaker 2: I said the PM was back cocker Hoop. He's got
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Speaker 2: to be careful. There's a very fine line between cocker
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Speaker 2: Hoop and Hubris. But he's right to be confident in
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Speaker 2: look numbers and look at the woes of their opposition.
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Speaker 2: But I think the jump in inflation last week is
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Speaker 2: where I would be concerned if I was a hard
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Speaker 2: head inside his office, because it doesn't matter how bad
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Speaker 2: the other mob are doing, if your constituency are out
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Speaker 2: there and they're feeling pain. We know that there's certainly
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Speaker 2: been that twenty four percent increase in power prices. There's
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Speaker 2: a lot of concerns with jobs and what we're seeing
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Speaker 2: in blue collar jobs with tom Ago. The government's got
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Speaker 2: to lift its game. It can't just rely on the
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Speaker 2: opposition looking like a basket case. They've got to make
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Speaker 2: the case themselves to stay in the job.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Parliament's his happy place. I think Peter you could
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Speaker 5: almost tell that today he's seemed pretty comfortable, relaxed in
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Speaker 5: the chair, returning from summit season last week. He wasn't
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Speaker 5: there all weak. I think in terms of the broader point,
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Speaker 5: those inside Labor are conscious of the need not to
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Speaker 5: be complacent.
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Speaker 3: Have a look at what we saw in news poll.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the headline was how bad things were for the coalition,
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Speaker 5: but it didn't benefit labor. There hasn't been a jumper
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Speaker 5: corresponding jump in Labour's support. So Labor is well aware
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Speaker 5: privately that they need to be seen to be continued
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Speaker 5: to do things. They can't just sit back and have
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Speaker 5: a box of popcorn and watch the coalition implode. That's
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Speaker 5: why we're seeing announcements on bulk billing. We're continuing to
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Speaker 5: hear more and more from the government. They don't want
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Speaker 5: to be seen to be sitting on their hands. And
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Speaker 5: even if I would be tempting to do so.
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Speaker 2: OOKI hell that that Medicare comes through the campaign, but
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Speaker 2: the proofs of them putting we're looking at those numbers
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Speaker 2: and they're not flowing through with take up by gps
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Speaker 2: of the scheme. I think it's about thirteen percent only truly,
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Speaker 2: they won't be happy with that.
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Speaker 5: These figures released by the government at the weekend Peter
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Speaker 5: to coincide with November one, that was the start date
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Speaker 5: of the GP incentive, billions and billions of our dollars
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Speaker 5: going out to incentivize GPS to bulk bill I wanted
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Speaker 5: to look at some of these numbers and show you
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Speaker 5: what's happened in terms of take up. The government actually
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Speaker 5: is happy with what we've seen on November one. Prior
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Speaker 5: to that point in the country, sixteen hundred DP clinics
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Speaker 5: were bulk billing. As of November one, an extra thousand
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Speaker 5: are saying they're going to do that as well. The
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Speaker 5: Health Minister arguing that is a material jump that Australians
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Speaker 5: will notice it, but it is a patchwork experience. I
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Speaker 5: just want to show you one example of metropolitan cities.
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Speaker 5: These are government numbers here and show you the breakdown.
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Speaker 5: So nine hundred and thirty five clinics already bulk bill
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Speaker 5: in metro areas. Six hundred and twenty two are saying
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Speaker 5: they're going to now start doing that because of the incentive.
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Speaker 5: But look at the total number, so in fact it's
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Speaker 5: only around thirty three percent of GP clinics that are
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Speaker 5: actually going to bulk bill. The government's argument here, Peter,
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Speaker 5: is that that number is going to continue to tick up.
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Speaker 5: But I think the claim you just take your Medicare
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Speaker 5: card doesn't translate for every Australian when they go to
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Speaker 5: the doctor, does it.
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Speaker 2: I'm just hoping that the next selection we don't have
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Speaker 2: that fight out of Medicare, the fake five to medi scare.
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Speaker 2: I hope that that is now put to bed given
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Speaker 2: the start, but we'll see.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Trudy.
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Speaker 2: Let's go into the broader issue of net zero and
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Speaker 2: the politics in Canberra, and I guess the woes for
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Speaker 2: the coalition with my colleague Chris Yilman, who joins me. Now,
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Speaker 2: what do you make of the speculation that Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: will dump net zero? I think, of course she's going
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Speaker 2: to dump it in some form. It's what it looks
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Speaker 2: like after the coalition of the coalition, So after the
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Speaker 2: Liberal Party takes the decision, Chris, I mean, is it
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Speaker 2: going to be like the NATS net zero gone nada,
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Speaker 2: nothing nothing to do with net zero? Or is it
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Speaker 2: going to be as I keep saying this half pregnant outcome,
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Speaker 2: which I think will be in albatross for the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, Peter, that's the dilemma that Susan Lee finds
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Speaker 7: herself in at the moment. I'm sure that there is
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Speaker 7: momentum inside the Liberal Party from those who oppose net
18:37
Speaker 7: zero to try and get this change. But also we've
18:39
Speaker 7: seen from the public statements of people like Dave Sharma
18:42
Speaker 7: and Dave Dave Sharma and Jane Hume that there is
18:46
Speaker 7: resistance inside the party because they're concerned that they're going
18:48
Speaker 7: to lose votes off to the left. And so Susan
18:51
Speaker 7: Lee finds herself in the most invidious of positions, which
18:53
Speaker 7: is trying to reconcile that two sides of her party.
18:57
Speaker 6: Look, I just want to make this point.
18:59
Speaker 7: I'm not writing policy for the Liberal Party, but I
19:01
Speaker 7: make this observation is that what might happen, what appears
19:06
Speaker 7: to be about to happen, is that the Liberal Party
19:08
Speaker 7: will make the worst of all possible decisions and please
19:11
Speaker 7: no one. So if it just fiddles with the wording
19:13
Speaker 7: and says not nut labours net zero or something along
19:16
Speaker 7: those lines, well then those who want it dumped will
19:19
Speaker 7: be furious and they'll drift off in their direction and
19:22
Speaker 7: those that want it kept will believe that the Liberal
19:25
Speaker 7: Party can't be believed in any events. And you can
19:27
Speaker 7: see exactly where the government would go with this. It
19:29
Speaker 7: is simply to say, well, look at that watered down
19:31
Speaker 7: the lang Whige. It means they're not going to do it,
19:33
Speaker 7: and so they've essentially gotten nowhere. They essentially have to
19:37
Speaker 7: make some kind of concrete decision that they can defend.
19:44
Speaker 3: Well.
19:44
Speaker 2: Dave Sharp is not a stupid man. I mean he
19:46
Speaker 2: would know if they don't have a coalition at the
19:48
Speaker 2: next election, they're not competitive. There is no way that
19:51
Speaker 2: they'll ever be able to govern in their own right.
19:53
Speaker 2: This is the Liberal Party. So I think that's a
19:55
Speaker 2: nonsense that people saying that this is something we should
19:58
Speaker 2: dine in a hill about. Sltely do not think you
20:01
Speaker 2: break the coalition on an issue like this. But I
20:04
Speaker 2: guess more to the point, you know the moderates inside
20:06
Speaker 2: the party who say we've got to hang on to
20:08
Speaker 2: net zero so we don't bleed votes on the left, Well.
20:11
Speaker 3: Hang on.
20:11
Speaker 2: You had net zero in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty
20:14
Speaker 2: two and it didn't win you a til seat. I
20:17
Speaker 2: mean the only bloke who got a TiAl seat back
20:18
Speaker 2: was Tim Wilson. He fought on superinnuvation. All the other
20:21
Speaker 2: seats that they lost they lost with the position of
20:24
Speaker 2: net zero. And you look at the news poll numbers today.
20:27
Speaker 2: The people that are leaving the coalition and moving across
20:31
Speaker 2: to one nation, they ain't lefties. This is the conservative
20:35
Speaker 2: base that are walking. Question is can you get them
20:38
Speaker 2: back or do you intrench like we see is happening
20:42
Speaker 2: in the United Kingdom where for no money now will
20:45
Speaker 2: anyone go back to the Conservatives that are locked into reform.
20:48
Speaker 2: I think reform is just going to keep growing that base.
20:51
Speaker 2: That's the problem the coalition's got.
20:55
Speaker 7: Yeah, Peter Well, I think the real problems that had
20:57
Speaker 7: at the last election was that it defined a position
21:00
Speaker 7: and it didn't defend its position. So I thought that
21:02
Speaker 7: they had a fairly credible position. But then they got
21:05
Speaker 7: spooked about the idea that nuclear was unpopular, and then
21:08
Speaker 7: they refused to defend it. Remember someone said behind the
21:11
Speaker 7: scenes at some states that every day we're not talking
21:13
Speaker 7: about nuclear, we're winning.
21:14
Speaker 6: No, you're not.
21:15
Speaker 7: You were losing because you set up an expectation and
21:17
Speaker 7: you fail to fulfill it. I have never seen a
21:20
Speaker 7: head sticking up higher than Minister Chris Bowen's at the moment.
21:24
Speaker 6: It is just waiting to be kicked on.
21:26
Speaker 7: Almost every day you will find a story which shows
21:29
Speaker 7: that the things that he says just do.
21:31
Speaker 6: Not add up. In the real world.
21:33
Speaker 7: People are suffering from bill shock because of electricity prices.
21:37
Speaker 7: And last week he was arguing about wholesale prices going down. Well,
21:40
Speaker 7: I until you retail prices are going up and they've
21:43
Speaker 7: not yet begun to go up anywhere near as highest
21:46
Speaker 7: they are. This is crippling people. We're seeing energy poverty
21:50
Speaker 7: on the rise. What we're also seeing is the fact
21:52
Speaker 7: that there will be energy rich and energy poor. So
21:54
Speaker 7: if you can afford you've got a big house, you've
21:56
Speaker 7: got a big roof, put solar panels on it, get
21:59
Speaker 7: a subsidy, you get back subsidies, you get an ev subsidy. Fine,
22:02
Speaker 7: if you're a renter, if you don't own your own home,
22:05
Speaker 7: if you're a poor person, you are essentially subsidizing the
22:08
Speaker 7: scheme that the Labor Party is putting in place at
22:10
Speaker 7: the moment. So if you can't find a way to
22:12
Speaker 7: fight and I thought that this week. Look, the Labor
22:16
Speaker 7: Party was always going to come after the Liberal Party
22:18
Speaker 7: this week. So run at the knife, have the argument,
22:21
Speaker 7: point out all of these things. Say to Chris Bowen
22:24
Speaker 7: every single day, when are price is coming down, Minister Bond,
22:28
Speaker 7: when you guarantee that they will come down?
22:31
Speaker 6: What about business costs? When will they come down?
22:33
Speaker 7: What about all of these bailouts that we're seeing at
22:35
Speaker 7: the moment, what's causing those? There is so much ammunition,
22:38
Speaker 7: it's just amazing to see that not a single shot
22:41
Speaker 7: essentially is being fired.
22:44
Speaker 2: But you lose every fight you don't have, Chris, if
22:47
Speaker 2: you're not in the ring, you know you're not in
22:49
Speaker 2: the game. But they can't get in the ring because
22:51
Speaker 2: they like policic clarity. I mean, you know the reason
22:55
Speaker 2: John Howard can fight at a whole range of even
22:57
Speaker 2: unpopular things is he had conviction and position policy clarity.
23:01
Speaker 2: Abod had policy clarity. I mean he only won by
23:04
Speaker 2: a vote in the party room. You know, Susan didn't
23:07
Speaker 2: win par lot either, but he had absolute clarity. And
23:11
Speaker 2: let's not forget back then in twenty two thousand and
23:13
Speaker 2: nine when he won the leadership, we had three Prime minister.
23:15
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's three Liberal leaders.
23:17
Speaker 2: John Howard, Brendan Nelson, Malcolm Turblin that at four in
23:21
Speaker 2: three years.
23:22
Speaker 3: I mean the part yes, in Newspoll.
23:24
Speaker 2: Terms, it's bad now, but I'd have to argue it
23:27
Speaker 2: was just as broken back then, but clarity was key
23:32
Speaker 2: taking the fight up to labor.
23:34
Speaker 3: This is what they're missing now.
23:35
Speaker 2: And I have to say, to be brutally honest, Susan
23:38
Speaker 2: Lee is not there because there's party room support on
23:40
Speaker 2: the left or the right. She's there because the right
23:43
Speaker 2: don't want her and the left haven't agreed who they're
23:45
Speaker 2: going to support if they knock her off, So she's
23:47
Speaker 2: there as a placeholder. Only I can't see that she
23:51
Speaker 2: recovers it all during this term in the Parliament. I
23:53
Speaker 2: think the judgment calls on T shirts and you know,
23:57
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd and all the other things is absolutely killing
24:00
Speaker 2: her at the moment. But at least she could be
24:03
Speaker 2: remembered in going that in history for cleaning up this mess,
24:06
Speaker 2: staking out a position, junking net zero and at least
24:10
Speaker 2: putting some fight back into the party before she moves on.
24:16
Speaker 7: Well, look, you know, as I say, I do feel
24:17
Speaker 7: for it because I think she's been handed the most
24:19
Speaker 7: atrocious of positions by the people that came before her.
24:22
Speaker 7: You know, Peter Dutton and Scott Morrison have a lot
24:24
Speaker 7: to answer for when we look at the wreckage of
24:27
Speaker 7: the Liberal Party at the moment.
24:28
Speaker 6: But when do you talk about clarity?
24:30
Speaker 7: That's what we got from the National Party on the
24:32
Speaker 7: weekend and look at the spring in the step of
24:34
Speaker 7: the National Party. Now they know where they stand and
24:38
Speaker 7: they're prepared to fight on it. And why do they
24:39
Speaker 7: feel confident because they know that cops coming up soon?
24:42
Speaker 7: That's the Jamboree. It'll be held in Brazil. But whether
24:45
Speaker 7: by the way that the Brazilian government announce about one
24:47
Speaker 7: hundred and twenty seven new oil leases as it hosts
24:50
Speaker 7: this particular event. The largest carbon footprint on Earth is
24:53
Speaker 7: about to descend on Brazil. And what do we see
24:55
Speaker 7: that more than one hundred and twenty countries have not
24:58
Speaker 7: put in their twenty thirty five targets as Australia has.
25:02
Speaker 7: So we're getting more and more lonely in this debate
25:04
Speaker 7: around the world. Net zero is being abandoned by countries,
25:08
Speaker 7: either indeed or in word, as the United States has done,
25:12
Speaker 7: and it's led the word side. And indeed watch what
25:15
Speaker 7: everyone else is doing at the moment. This is fantasy football,
25:19
Speaker 7: but it comes with real costs. And I'll give you
25:21
Speaker 7: two more that are yet to be debated, but I'm
25:24
Speaker 7: sure the National Party would like to take them up.
25:26
Speaker 7: We're looking at now. Dietary guidelines will be issued soon.
25:29
Speaker 7: They will also have this footprint of net zero over them.
25:33
Speaker 6: It won't be what's good for you, it'll be what's
25:35
Speaker 6: good for.
25:35
Speaker 7: The planet when they tell you what to eat next
25:37
Speaker 7: time around. And this decision or sorry, this paper that's
25:40
Speaker 7: out at the moment on cutting speed limits on country
25:43
Speaker 7: roads from one hundred to eighty kilometers no hour. There's
25:46
Speaker 7: also a sustainability argument being put forward to that, because
25:49
Speaker 7: we will use less fuel. If you want permanent COVID
25:54
Speaker 7: level interference in your life for the rest of your life,
25:58
Speaker 7: then sign up for net zero.
26:02
Speaker 3: Chris.
26:02
Speaker 2: Page forty nine of the government's paper put out a
26:06
Speaker 2: couple of months ago, sent to me by an eagle
26:08
Speaker 2: Lie viewer, and I flushed it up on the screen
26:10
Speaker 2: last week, talks about the emissions reduction that will come
26:13
Speaker 2: from taking our country road toll from one hundred the
26:18
Speaker 2: speed limit down to eighty.
26:21
Speaker 3: It's not about road safety.
26:23
Speaker 2: It's about driving down emissions for an easy get on
26:25
Speaker 2: those targets.
26:27
Speaker 3: But good luck take it the.
26:28
Speaker 2: Sur line out of my hands. I'll tell you what
26:29
Speaker 2: I want to be backing that one in. We'll leave
26:31
Speaker 2: it there, thank you, Chris. All right, after the break,
26:33
Speaker 2: we're going to talk to the National Party. How do
26:35
Speaker 2: they get so much common sense into a small party
26:38
Speaker 2: room like that? And can they knock some sense into
26:40
Speaker 2: the Liberals. We'll talk about that and also Albow's plan.
26:43
Speaker 2: We talked about cop coming out, Well, he wants it
26:45
Speaker 2: next year in Adelaide and is prepared to spend hundreds
26:49
Speaker 2: of millions of your money to do it.
26:56
Speaker 3: Welcome back coming out.
26:57
Speaker 2: Why the ATO scrambling depicts a work from home tax deduction,
27:01
Speaker 2: It's a loophole. Rents have just picked it up and
27:04
Speaker 2: it could cost the budget billions the first the National
27:07
Speaker 2: Party walking away from net zero over the weekend will
27:09
Speaker 2: be music to the years of many Conservatives, particularly those
27:12
Speaker 2: living in the heartland of rural and regional Australia where
27:16
Speaker 2: the rubber's really hitting the road in terms of Labour's
27:19
Speaker 2: reckless renewables rollout. But because of the clarity from the
27:22
Speaker 2: Nationals pressures now on the Liberals to.
27:25
Speaker 3: Make it clear where they stand.
27:26
Speaker 2: Are they going to run this as an economic issue
27:29
Speaker 2: or are they going to stay joined to the hip
27:32
Speaker 2: with labor on the cult.
27:34
Speaker 3: Of green net zero madness?
27:37
Speaker 2: Joining me now, that's Senator Bridget McKenzie Bridget, I'll ask
27:42
Speaker 2: questions about the border cold this year in a moment,
27:44
Speaker 2: but in summary terms, you have walked away from net zero.
27:50
Speaker 2: It's gone without a qualification, not aspiration, nothing, They're gone completely.
27:56
Speaker 3: Talk us through the reasoning why.
28:00
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, Peter, Well, first and foremost, we don't believe
28:05
Speaker 8: it's in the national interest and it's definitely not in
28:08
Speaker 8: the interest of rural and regional Australians.
28:11
Speaker 3: Or our industries.
28:13
Speaker 8: We've spent nine billion dollars this year to see no
28:18
Speaker 8: emissions reduction, so on any measure, practical or otherwise, this
28:23
Speaker 8: policy is a failure, a complete failure for our country.
28:27
Speaker 8: So we don't think you can protect the planet by
28:30
Speaker 8: trashing it. And we've seen the economic, social and environmental
28:34
Speaker 8: damage that this policy is doing right across our country
28:38
Speaker 8: and just in our home state of Victoria, whether it's
28:41
Speaker 8: Manu in the Western District or detrang Up in the Northeast,
28:45
Speaker 8: where I was born and raised. These policies are having
28:50
Speaker 8: a significant detrimental impact to food production, to communities not
28:56
Speaker 8: being divided, and indeed to environmental and biden versity concerns locally.
29:01
Speaker 8: So on any measure, we believe that we can have
29:05
Speaker 8: a better, fairer and tighter emissions reduction plan that actually
29:12
Speaker 8: powers our economy into the decades ahead than Labour's plan.
29:20
Speaker 9: I made the point because Peter, Sorry, I was going
29:23
Speaker 9: to ask to elections, no please you jump in, Sorry
29:27
Speaker 9: you go well, I just think I've always said net
29:33
Speaker 9: zero was never going to be net zero cost, and
29:35
Speaker 9: how we've seen that cost being shared and born here domestically,
29:40
Speaker 9: it's been the regions.
29:41
Speaker 3: That have had to pay it.
29:43
Speaker 8: We've seen poor people paying more than rich people because
29:47
Speaker 8: of the increasing energy prices, so working class over not
29:54
Speaker 8: working class, so domestically here at home, it hasn't that
29:58
Speaker 8: burden hasn't been fairly shared and into rationally. We believe
30:01
Speaker 8: in the National Party that we should do our fair share,
30:04
Speaker 8: but we shouldn't be doing more than our fair share
30:07
Speaker 8: when you've got places like China, India, the US, even
30:12
Speaker 8: Europe rethinking these aggressive targets and the impact they're having
30:16
Speaker 8: on the well being of their societies. It's right and
30:19
Speaker 8: proper to do some serious work to unpack that, which
30:23
Speaker 8: is exactly what we did. We commissioned this work months
30:26
Speaker 8: ago and this is the evidence base that we're basing
30:29
Speaker 8: our decision on.
30:33
Speaker 3: So you make the point there.
30:34
Speaker 2: You talk about the I guess the rubber hitting the
30:36
Speaker 2: road in your communities, and I think until it's apparent
30:38
Speaker 2: to people, until they either see it in the phone
30:41
Speaker 2: bill or on a beautiful landscapers that drive into their
30:45
Speaker 2: country town, the actual front line of what it means
30:49
Speaker 2: to have these heavy renewables targets, unless they see that
30:52
Speaker 2: and touch it and feel it, I think it's just policy,
30:54
Speaker 2: maybe in the United Nations, but we're at that point
30:56
Speaker 2: now we know it's twenty thirty five targets. It's going
30:58
Speaker 2: to hit the cars that we drive, is going to
31:01
Speaker 2: hit the food that we eat. So I understand your position,
31:04
Speaker 2: but why are you able to You know, you've commissioned
31:07
Speaker 2: that research, You've had that internal debate, it's all been
31:10
Speaker 2: done with a lot of dignity and integrity. You've got
31:15
Speaker 2: a unanimous position that's not easy to get to in politics.
31:18
Speaker 2: How can you do what the Liberal Party has not
31:21
Speaker 2: been able to do.
31:22
Speaker 3: You did this on the Voice as well.
31:24
Speaker 2: What's happening inside your party that's not happening inside the
31:28
Speaker 2: senior partner of the coalition.
31:32
Speaker 8: Well, I'm not going to commentate on the Liberal Party.
31:34
Speaker 8: I've beny politics too long. I joined the National Party
31:37
Speaker 8: for a reason and we're a small but mighty political force.
31:41
Speaker 8: And I think you made the commentary when you're speaking
31:45
Speaker 8: to Chris about the common sense sort of approach of
31:49
Speaker 8: the Nationals, and I think because we are from rural
31:51
Speaker 8: and regional Australia like you are, we take a very
31:54
Speaker 8: pragmatic and responsible approach to these big policy decisions. We
32:00
Speaker 8: don't think you need to be running off getting headlines.
32:03
Speaker 8: You need to do the serious policy work. You need
32:06
Speaker 8: to do it quietly, with integrity and intent, and then
32:11
Speaker 8: make the case to the Australian people, which is what
32:13
Speaker 8: we plan to do. I think for us, we need
32:16
Speaker 8: to assure Australians that we are committed to lowering emissions,
32:21
Speaker 8: that we care about our environment.
32:23
Speaker 3: We need to demonstrate that by that.
32:25
Speaker 8: We don't think net zero by twenty fifty is a
32:30
Speaker 8: good thing for our country to be doing, and we've
32:33
Speaker 8: seen the.
32:33
Speaker 2: Impacts now composition Bridge. Are you going to get Barnaby
32:37
Speaker 2: heavy industry too, Well.
32:40
Speaker 9: I hope so with Peter, Yeah, well I hope so.
32:46
Speaker 8: Like I think Barnaby's been very passionate about this issue.
32:49
Speaker 8: And we're always better when we've got more people in
32:52
Speaker 8: our room fighting for the regions than not.
32:55
Speaker 3: So doors always open to bj.
32:59
Speaker 2: All right, I'll over there, Bridgett, thank you. Let's going
33:02
Speaker 2: now to some other economic issues that we've had. That
33:04
Speaker 2: surgeon inflation last week. Any chance that we might get
33:07
Speaker 2: a rate cup tomorrow at the IRVA meeting.
33:09
Speaker 3: That's shot.
33:11
Speaker 2: There's been a few new hires out there, but there
33:13
Speaker 2: all been government, haven't they. There's been plenty of money
33:16
Speaker 2: spent by government, just only making a bad situation worst.
33:19
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this and more. Ross Greenwood's
33:22
Speaker 2: kind of business editor.
33:24
Speaker 3: Not a good look. Ross.
33:26
Speaker 2: You know what, everyone's told to tighten their belts. But
33:28
Speaker 2: the only real spending we're seeing is in the public sector,
33:31
Speaker 2: and the only real place we're seeing hiring too is
33:33
Speaker 2: in the public sector.
33:35
Speaker 10: Yeah, and that's a real issue because for a government
33:38
Speaker 10: that preaches that it's got budget discipline, there's a genuine
33:41
Speaker 10: question right now as to whether that budget discipline is
33:45
Speaker 10: real and indeed whether it's been able to actually sort
33:48
Speaker 10: of hold in regards to wages increases its own inflation forecast.
33:53
Speaker 11: And I think this is really important.
33:55
Speaker 10: So the reason we're able to see this in the
33:57
Speaker 10: Financial need some great work on this today is the
34:00
Speaker 10: annual reports for all of the departments are now starting
34:03
Speaker 10: to drop, and so you can actually get a sense
34:05
Speaker 10: of just how many people have employed and indeed what sort.
34:09
Speaker 11: Of wage increases have gone through.
34:11
Speaker 10: And the most standout of the is, I think at
34:14
Speaker 10: least is a department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry. So
34:19
Speaker 10: this is an extract from last year's annual report. So
34:22
Speaker 10: just note there what it says there five thousand, eight
34:25
Speaker 10: hundred and eighty eight employees. So that's for the year
34:28
Speaker 10: to June last year, twenty twenty four. Let's fast forward
34:32
Speaker 10: to what just came out six nine hundred and seventy
34:35
Speaker 10: seven employees.
34:37
Speaker 11: So in other words, you've actually seen a jump of
34:39
Speaker 11: one eighty nine people in.
34:42
Speaker 10: One year in one department, which is an increase of
34:45
Speaker 10: eighteen and a half percent. Now, the wages there, the
34:49
Speaker 10: wages bill is basically blown out. Including soup, it is
34:52
Speaker 10: seven hundred and seven million dollars in the course of
34:56
Speaker 10: a year. That's up almost twenty percent, and that means
34:59
Speaker 10: that that wage bill increased by one hundred and fifteen
35:02
Speaker 10: million dollars in just one year.
35:05
Speaker 11: Now, I'm certain there's a whole bunch of.
35:06
Speaker 10: Reasons so why that took place better, But that's just
35:09
Speaker 10: one example. As I say, it is the extreme, but
35:12
Speaker 10: its really in that particular case, either the Finance Minister
35:16
Speaker 10: Katie Gallaher or the treasurer have really not been looking
35:19
Speaker 10: closely enough at the detail of that particular department to
35:23
Speaker 10: try and figure out why there was such a significant
35:25
Speaker 10: blowout in staff numbers and therefore wages costs.
35:31
Speaker 2: Of course, we know this is all happening in the
35:32
Speaker 2: state's too. I know in Victoria that eighty percent of
35:35
Speaker 2: the HighRes in Victoria are government employees, which is blowing
35:39
Speaker 2: out a bad budget there even worse, Let's go to
35:41
Speaker 2: that story today that the Atos scramly deficts his massive loophole.
35:46
Speaker 2: We know people can claim a tax deduction if they're
35:48
Speaker 2: working from home and they're an owner, but rent is not.
35:52
Speaker 2: In the past have been able to use this opportunity
35:56
Speaker 2: for a range of reasons.
35:57
Speaker 3: We'll talk through those in a moment.
35:58
Speaker 2: But there's been this loophole, they've worked their way into
36:03
Speaker 2: using it, and now it could cost the budget billions.
36:06
Speaker 10: Ross well, of course it could, and no surprise here
36:09
Speaker 10: was actually an ABC sports presenter who bought the case,
36:12
Speaker 10: which I thought was pretty interesting and curious as well. Obviously,
36:16
Speaker 10: so working from home and you sit there and look
36:18
Speaker 10: in some ways it makes some sense if you're earning
36:20
Speaker 10: your income from home and you're not going to the office.
36:24
Speaker 10: And remember in Victoria now they're going to mandate for
36:27
Speaker 10: public servants to be able to have a right to
36:28
Speaker 10: work from home. So if you then add on top
36:32
Speaker 10: of that all of the deductions, and an individual might
36:35
Speaker 10: be able to claim for their home office. In the past,
36:38
Speaker 10: if you had a home office, that had to be
36:39
Speaker 10: related to the amount of income you earned from that office,
36:43
Speaker 10: and so therefore you could therefore potentially be subject to
36:46
Speaker 10: capital gains tax on that portion of your home if
36:49
Speaker 10: you sell it in the future. It was never really levy,
36:51
Speaker 10: to be honest, but it was theoretically there. Now, if
36:54
Speaker 10: all of a sudden, every person, every worker is going
36:58
Speaker 10: to get a payout because as.
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Speaker 11: They do work from home. The question is I guess
37:03
Speaker 11: the choice.
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Speaker 10: As to whether you could alternatively go to work and
37:08
Speaker 10: really have used that office instead.
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Speaker 11: But the point is now, if you.
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Speaker 10: Start to enshrine the right to work at home, as
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Speaker 10: the Victorian government is about to do or is doing,
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Speaker 10: then you've got a fundamental problem because your place of
37:20
Speaker 10: work actually could then become tax deductible, which, as you
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Speaker 10: make the observation.
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Speaker 11: Is going to blow out the budget. So they're going
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Speaker 11: to have to make some changes here pretty quickly. I'd suggest.
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about BYD. This is the Chinese maker
37:35
Speaker 2: of ev vehicles. It's not selling the cars in Australia yet,
37:39
Speaker 2: they're importing them. Then they're putting them out in great
37:43
Speaker 2: big car parks, but that's so that they can pick
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Speaker 2: up lucrative carbon credits under Labour's new vehicle efficiency standards. Now,
37:52
Speaker 2: as I said, they're not sold yet, they're just sitting there,
37:54
Speaker 2: but they're creaming the credits.
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Speaker 3: This looks like a bit of a rud to me.
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Speaker 10: Well, you noteing with each of these subjects that we're
38:01
Speaker 10: talking about, there's a little bit of sort of if
38:03
Speaker 10: you like looseness in terms of government policy that needs
38:06
Speaker 10: to be tightened in work from home. And now you
38:08
Speaker 10: see this with BID, so what it's doing even though
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Speaker 10: it's sales are down. Electric vehicle sales in Australia have
38:14
Speaker 10: fallen over the past twelve months, except for BID, which
38:17
Speaker 10: is bringing them in claiming the credit and claiming that
38:20
Speaker 10: their sales are going through the roof. The problem is
38:22
Speaker 10: they're not selling the cars and so they've had to
38:24
Speaker 10: go effectively to a theme park which is south of Sydney, Jamburu,
38:30
Speaker 10: and fill up the car park there. Now in some
38:32
Speaker 10: stage Jambo who is going to want its car park
38:34
Speaker 10: back because they're going to open up for the summer
38:37
Speaker 10: as they generally do. They've got water slides and all
38:39
Speaker 10: sorts of bits and pieces. So where do these bids go? Now,
38:42
Speaker 10: there's another fundamental problem is that electric vehicle car sales
38:46
Speaker 10: are falling. Hybrids are rising because hybrids are more suitable
38:51
Speaker 10: than more Australians. But the electric vehicles, which have been
38:54
Speaker 10: sort of as I say, pushed really down people's throats
38:57
Speaker 10: because of the tax subsidies they do gain, really ultimately
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Speaker 10: their resale value is very, very poor, and that's the
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Speaker 10: reason why many Australians are choosing other vehicles in preference
39:08
Speaker 10: to those electric vehicles. Tesla sales have been down by
39:11
Speaker 10: d sales have been down, So this is really one
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Speaker 10: of these big turning points in terms of the preferences
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Speaker 10: of Australian motorists in regards.
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Speaker 11: To the way in which they drive in the future.
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Speaker 2: More subsidies yet again, Ross going offshore. Surprise, surprise, thank
39:27
Speaker 2: you again, catch up you soon. Out of the great
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Speaker 2: Land and Fire Management experts is sounding the alarm of
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Speaker 2: the lack of burnofs in bush fire prone areas. This
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Speaker 2: was a key recommendation of the Black Saturday Royal Commission.
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Speaker 2: It is not being met bet that anymore. Welcome back
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Speaker 2: coming up. Australia's e safety boss hits back at US
39:52
Speaker 2: claims she's undermining free speech in Australia a head of
39:55
Speaker 2: the looming social media ban now do significant warning today
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Speaker 2: that Australia's just exposed bushfire areas facing a Black Saturday
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Speaker 2: style community disaster because of our failure to accept Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission demands on Bernoff's. The Howard's Society has warned that
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Speaker 2: the halving of Bernoffs and other mitigation measures under labour
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Speaker 2: since twenty fourteen have set the scene for the kind
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Speaker 2: of disaster we saw ravage Victoria under Black Saturday, but
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Speaker 2: also Los Angeles last year. Gary Squires is the secretary
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Speaker 2: of the Society, which is made up of experienced land
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Speaker 2: and fire management experts, and he joins me now, Gary,
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Speaker 2: thank you. I remember in the twenty nineteen bush fires.
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Speaker 2: I went back and I dug up that Royal Commission
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Speaker 2: report and I read through the volumes and all that
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Speaker 2: debate about how important fuel loads and bernaroffs were to
40:49
Speaker 2: mitigate risk into the future. So I am staggered to
40:52
Speaker 2: learn today we are nowhere near meeting these targets.
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Speaker 6: That's correct.
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Speaker 12: The Royal Commission recommended a minimum of five percent of
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Speaker 12: the public land in Victoria should be burnt annually to
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Speaker 12: mimic what nature used to do with lightning before we
41:11
Speaker 12: put lightning strikes out regularly. The government adopted that recommendation
41:17
Speaker 12: initially for a couple of years, then had a review,
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Speaker 12: and during that review they decided to drop the five
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Speaker 12: percent figure and move to what they call a risk
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Speaker 12: based approach. And what that's achieved over the last number
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Speaker 12: of years is not much more than one percent. Of
41:35
Speaker 12: the land area being burnt regularly, so why the.
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Speaker 2: Move I can't remember being much of a debate around then.
41:44
Speaker 2: Was this done to appease the Greens on local councils
41:47
Speaker 2: because I know in many parts of the state, you know,
41:49
Speaker 2: they're getting a bit of a foothold. Is is that
41:52
Speaker 2: what's happened here?
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Speaker 12: I think that was part of the reason. There was
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Speaker 12: also some discussion about burns being done in areas just
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Speaker 12: to make up the hectares or the percentage, but that's
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Speaker 12: really just an issue for Deiger, the relevant department, to
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Speaker 12: make sure that the five percent is achieved in the
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Speaker 12: right places across the state.
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Speaker 2: People I know in the CFA, particularly out in sort
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Speaker 2: of the Malay area, they say that they haven't seen
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Speaker 2: fuel loads this high for some time. I think there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of concern in Victoria, parts of New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: I'm not as familiar with Queensland.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of concern with a fuel load that's
42:35
Speaker 2: out there now, particularly if we have another hot summer
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Speaker 2: like we saw last year.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and it's not just in the bush Peter, it's
42:43
Speaker 12: also in the safe area. Is along the road sides.
42:47
Speaker 12: Anyone living in rural Victoria would know that roadsides used
42:50
Speaker 12: to be regularly burned off to reduce that hazard along
42:54
Speaker 12: the roads. It's been so hard for volunteers to get
42:58
Speaker 12: permits to burn along the roads. It's just not happening anymore.
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Speaker 12: So it's the bush and the roads right across Victoria.
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Speaker 2: I guess your purpose today and going public and looking
43:09
Speaker 2: at all of this mapping and getting out there and
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Speaker 2: talking to the media is to make us aware of
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Speaker 2: it and put some pressure on our governments to get
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Speaker 2: this fuel loaded down.
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Speaker 12: Yeah. The current process Peter is focuses on areas close
43:26
Speaker 12: to communities and close to assets, and that's important. We
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Speaker 12: absolutely think that's important. But there's also got to be
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Speaker 12: some burning done deeper in the bush. And that's why
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Speaker 12: where these five percent targets came from. And the best
43:42
Speaker 12: example of the reason for that is the five years
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Speaker 12: ago Malacuda was burnt out in East s Gippsland. And
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Speaker 12: Malacuda wasn't burnt because the firefront came into the town.
43:53
Speaker 12: Malacuda was burnt because north of the town there'd been
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Speaker 12: long unburnt forests which, under extreme conditions, millions of or
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Speaker 12: thousands of spotfires came into the town from all the
44:06
Speaker 12: embers blowing from some distance away, and that's part of
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Speaker 12: the reason why you've got to have burning deep in
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Speaker 12: the forest to complement that stuff that's done close into
44:16
Speaker 12: the settlements.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll over there, Gary, I know we're going to
44:21
Speaker 2: come back to this issue because the other concern people
44:23
Speaker 2: have raised with me is Gibson's Gibbs Land Way and
44:26
Speaker 2: into the north country. There you've got timber forestry industry
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Speaker 2: closed down and we haven't got those workers who are
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of this burning off and the timber
44:36
Speaker 2: workers maintaining those fire tracks anymore. And that's a concern
44:39
Speaker 2: for those in the CFA. But I'll leave that for
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Speaker 2: another time. Thank you for joining me tonight, Garry Squires.
44:45
Speaker 2: Then right, quick break out of the rate with me
44:46
Speaker 2: back into some climate to climate stories and also look
44:50
Speaker 2: at that horrific stabbing in London and what's happening there.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring straight in now my panel Deputy Executive Director
45:05
Speaker 2: at the IPA, Dan Wilde, and senior fellow at the
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Speaker 2: Mensis Research Center Nicketa. We spent a lot of time
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Speaker 2: to the show, Dan talking about net zero and all
45:13
Speaker 2: the sort of the back room binding and going on
45:16
Speaker 2: between the two coalition partners. But you've got reports out today.
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Speaker 2: This is an IPA research paper that says the twenty
45:23
Speaker 2: thirty five emissions reduction targets could cost us around three
45:28
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars over the next decade. Now this is
45:32
Speaker 2: greater than the Guillard era carbon tax.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 13: My colleague Adam Crichton's done some great work on this.
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Speaker 13: And the interesting thing is it's all out of the
45:42
Speaker 13: government's own documents. We've just looked at what they've done,
45:46
Speaker 13: put the sums together and modeled what the cost will
45:48
Speaker 13: be the government's own policy. And as you say, it's
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Speaker 13: five times that of the Gillai government's carbon tax, which
45:56
Speaker 13: was not only bad for our economy, but it was
45:57
Speaker 13: a political disaster, as you will well remember for the
46:01
Speaker 13: then Labor government. So look, no matter which way you
46:04
Speaker 13: look at it, net zero is a complete and total
46:06
Speaker 13: disaster for our economy and our society. And I think
46:09
Speaker 13: it's high time that it's going to be dumped. And
46:11
Speaker 13: I suspect this week the Liberal Party is going to
46:13
Speaker 13: dump net zero, and so much the better, so we
46:16
Speaker 13: can actually have a debate and a contest on this
46:19
Speaker 13: critical matter.
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Speaker 2: As as it all goes, as long as it all goes,
46:24
Speaker 2: and not just kept us some sort of aspiration into
46:26
Speaker 2: the future. Hey, what's the story about our E Safety Commissioner,
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Speaker 2: Julie Inman Grant raising the ire of US Congressman Jim
46:35
Speaker 2: Jordan Nick because the accusation is that her office is
46:39
Speaker 2: undermining American free speech.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's extraordinary.
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Speaker 14: I think if you're the E Safety Commissioner and you
46:47
Speaker 14: find yourself in a row with the President of the
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Speaker 14: United States, or is proxy in this case, you in
46:52
Speaker 14: a very bad position. This is not what the E
46:54
Speaker 14: Safety Commissioner is supposed to do. It's nothing like what
46:57
Speaker 14: the EAT Safety Commissioner was supposed to be doing. It
47:00
Speaker 14: just illustrates the extent of the mission creep that's gone
47:03
Speaker 14: on in that office. Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do
47:07
Speaker 14: about it. It was a liberal government appointment, but once
47:10
Speaker 14: those things are in place, you're stuck with them. And
47:13
Speaker 14: I think Trump, of course always likes Swimbellowship, but his
47:17
Speaker 14: basic point is right, she is inhibiting free speech and
47:21
Speaker 14: that is not the job of the East Safety Commissioner.
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Speaker 3: How does this get approved?
47:27
Speaker 2: And back to the practical reality of renewables up in
47:32
Speaker 2: the beautiful King Valley. So this is north of Melbourne,
47:35
Speaker 2: it's in Victoria, beautiful pristine winery land and farming land.
47:39
Speaker 2: You've got a seven hundred and fifty million, so three
47:41
Speaker 2: quarters of billion dollars solar farm, six hundred hectares five
47:46
Speaker 2: hundred plus. Locals say we do not want it. It's
47:49
Speaker 2: considered autocratic, it's overriding planning emissions.
47:53
Speaker 3: But it's going ahead.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 13: I mean, you've been leading the debate on this about
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Speaker 13: what's been happening to regional communities. And you know, my
48:03
Speaker 13: colleague Maya was chatting with you from Aubrey a few
48:06
Speaker 13: days ago, and it doesn't matter where you are across
48:08
Speaker 13: the country. Regional communities are getting absolutely steamrolled by this
48:13
Speaker 13: political agenda. And colleague, an autocratic is one hundred percent right.
48:18
Speaker 13: But you know, the trouble here is that, you know,
48:21
Speaker 13: the labor government in Victoria is only going to go
48:23
Speaker 13: one way until they're stopped. So unfortunately, there's going to
48:25
Speaker 13: be a lot more pain for regional communities in store
48:28
Speaker 13: until we get rid of these net zero mandates.
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Speaker 3: Jenn's got to leave there. I'm sorry, my fault.
48:35
Speaker 2: We got caught up a lot of parliamentary stuff on
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Speaker 2: net zero, but we all agree it's an important debate
48:39
Speaker 2: that's going on inside the Coalition. We're covering that at
48:41
Speaker 2: the top of the show. Thank you, I'll see you
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Speaker 2: both next week.
48:44
Speaker 3: That's even me. Have a lovely evening Melbourne Cup tomorrow.
48:46
Speaker 2: I know you've got to do all the right things
48:47
Speaker 2: about betting, but I hope you win one. Good luck
48:50
Speaker 2: with all of that. Up next is Andrew Boult.