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- 0:03Speaker 1: A hard shell suit case sealed inside two contractor bags,
- 0:08Speaker 1: was found half submerged in a drainage channel behind a
- 0:11Speaker 1: pet supply store on a Thursday morning in June two
- 0:14Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. Inside it a Philippine passport, a social Security card,
- 0:19Speaker 1: three years of tax returns, and a laminated card with
- 0:23Speaker 1: emergency phone numbers. The documents belonged to a twenty three
- 0:26Speaker 1: year old woman who was still alive and still living
- 0:30Speaker 1: in the same city where someone had put them there.
- 0:32Speaker 1: That woman was Karen Stevens, and the person who hid
- 0:36Speaker 1: those documents had been holding something far more dangerous over
- 0:39Speaker 1: her head for two years. Not a weapon, not a lock,
- 0:43Speaker 1: but a lie so precisely constructed that Karen had stopped
- 0:47Speaker 1: trusting her own ability to read the truth. There is
- 0:50Speaker 1: something in this case that resists easy categories. It is
- 0:54Speaker 1: not a disappearance. It is not a rescue story in
- 0:56Speaker 1: the conventional sense. It is the story of how one
- 1:00Speaker 1: man methodically dismantled one woman's grip on reality document by document,
- 1:06Speaker 1: tuesday by tuesday, and how the mechanism he used was
- 1:10Speaker 1: not fear alone, but doubt, the kind of doubt that
- 1:13Speaker 1: makes a person question what their own eyes found on
- 1:16Speaker 1: a screen. By March twenty twenty, Michael Griffin was convicted
- 1:20Speaker 1: on four counts, including coercive control under a revised domestic
- 1:25Speaker 1: abuse statute, and sentenced to nine years in prison. But
- 1:29Speaker 1: the conviction came not from a fingerprint, not from surveillance footage,
- 1:34Speaker 1: not from the suitcase alone. It came from a conversation
- 1:38Speaker 1: Griffin had in a jail cell where he described Karen
- 1:41Speaker 1: as a project. That word that is where this story begins.
- 1:46Speaker 1: Karen was born around nineteen ninety six in a city
- 1:49Speaker 1: south of Manila, the second of four children. The details
- 1:53Speaker 1: of her early life come through in fragments, through court testimony,
- 1:57Speaker 1: through the notes of a social worker who spent four
- 2:00Speaker 1: minutes listening, through what a volunteer coordinator remembered noticing over
- 2:04Speaker 1: many Tuesday evenings. What those fragments build is a picture
- 2:08Speaker 1: of someone practical and careful, someone who made plans and
- 2:12Speaker 1: kept them. She connected with Michael Griffin through a corresponden's
- 2:16Speaker 1: website in the summer of twenty sixteen. Griffin was forty
- 2:20Speaker 1: four at the time, the logistics coordinator at a company
- 2:24Speaker 1: called Consolidated Midland Transport. He owned a house on Pelham Street,
- 2:29Speaker 1: and Kellerton from the outside. The arrangement followed a recognizable pattern.
- 2:34Speaker 1: An American man, a stable job, a house, a woman
- 2:38Speaker 1: overseas who wanted a path forward. The k one visa
- 2:42Speaker 1: the fiancee visa was the legal mechanism. Karen arrived in
- 2:47Speaker 1: Kellerton in March twenty seventeen, about twenty one years old.
- 2:51Speaker 1: They married on the fourteenth of March twenty seventeen at
- 2:56Speaker 1: Kellerton City Hall. It was a legal wedding by every measure.
- 3:01Speaker 1: What happened on the same day, or very close to
- 3:03Speaker 1: it is where the architecture of control begins to show
- 3:07Speaker 1: its first beam. Griffin took Karen's passport, her Social Security
- 3:11Speaker 1: card and all her Green card application materials. He placed
- 3:16Speaker 1: them in a locked filing cabinet in his home office.
- 3:19Speaker 1: The explanation he gave was simple protection organization, one place
- 3:24Speaker 1: for everything important. It was, on its face the kind
- 3:27Speaker 1: of thing a cautious person might say. But the Green
- 3:30Speaker 1: card application was never filed. Griffin withdrew fees from their
- 3:34Speaker 1: joint account and account Karen had no card for and
- 3:38Speaker 1: produced no application. Instead, he renewed her conditional residency annually.
- 3:44Speaker 1: Under immigration law at the time, a conditional residence status
- 3:48Speaker 1: had to be renewed with joint participation of the sponsoring spouse.
- 3:53Speaker 1: Griffin was the one who handled it. Every renewal kept
- 3:57Speaker 1: Karen's legal standing in the country tied to him, to
- 4:00Speaker 1: his co operation, to his continued good will. He also
- 4:04Speaker 1: told her something else. He told her that if she
- 4:07Speaker 1: ever tried to leave, he could have her visa invalidated
- 4:11Speaker 1: with a single phone call. That statement was false. No
- 4:15Speaker 1: such mechanism exists. Under emigration law. A spouse cannot unilaterally
- 4:20Speaker 1: cancel a visa with a call. Karen checked twice. She
- 4:25Speaker 1: sat at a computer at the Kellerton Immigrant Services Coalition
- 4:29Speaker 1: on Dexter Avenue, a place she was allowed to attend
- 4:32Speaker 1: Tuesday evenings six two eight thirty, and she read the
- 4:36Speaker 1: relevant information herself. Both times the information contradicted what Griffin
- 4:42Speaker 1: had told her, and both times she came away less
- 4:46Speaker 1: certain of what she had read. Not more. Clinicians who
- 4:50Speaker 1: reviewed the case later used a specific term for what
- 4:53Speaker 1: was happening. Induced epistemic doubt, the process by which a
- 4:58Speaker 1: person's confidence in their own persis is gradually eroded, not
- 5:02Speaker 1: through force, but through the consistent, patient insistence of someone
- 5:07Speaker 1: they depend on. Linda Petrov was the volunteer coordinator at
- 5:11Speaker 1: the coalition. She saw Karen every Tuesday. She told investigators
- 5:15Speaker 1: later that over the course of two years, Karen seemed
- 5:19Speaker 1: to become physically smaller, quieter, quicker to apologize, visibly startled
- 5:24Speaker 1: whenever her phone buzzed. Griffin, Petrov noted, would park outside
- 5:29Speaker 1: the building and call if Karen was not walking toward
- 5:32Speaker 1: his vehicle within thirty minutes of the session, ending two
- 5:35Speaker 1: years of tuesdays, two years of a locked cabinet, two
- 5:39Speaker 1: years of a threat Karen had verified was false, and
- 5:42Speaker 1: still could not fully disbelieve something was about to surface.
- 5:47Speaker 1: Literally on the morning of June sixth, twenty nineteen, a
- 5:52Speaker 1: man named Troy Lawson was walking his dog near a
- 5:55Speaker 1: drainage easement off Dexter Avenue when the dog pulled hard
- 5:59Speaker 1: toward a storm. Lawson investigated wedged just below the water
- 6:04Speaker 1: line was a hard shell suitcase sealed inside two black
- 6:08Speaker 1: contractor bags. He pulled it free and called the non
- 6:11Speaker 1: emergency police line. The suitcase contained a Filipino passport bearing
- 6:17Speaker 1: a photograph of a young woman who appeared to be
- 6:20Speaker 1: around twenty two years old. The name on the passport
- 6:23Speaker 1: was Karen Stevens. Beside it a social Security card, a
- 6:28Speaker 1: conditional Green card in advanced processing, a lease agreement, three
- 6:33Speaker 1: years of tax returns, and a laminated coalition card printed
- 6:36Speaker 1: with emergency contact numbers. Every document a person would need
- 6:41Speaker 1: to prove they existed in this country, all of it
- 6:43Speaker 1: together in a drain. The responding officer flagged the contents
- 6:48Speaker 1: to Detective Anita Varga. Vargo ran the name and found
- 6:52Speaker 1: a current address on Pelham Street. She drove there at
- 6:55Speaker 1: eleven fifteen that morning and conducted a welfare check. Karen
- 6:59Speaker 1: answered the s Over the next eleven minutes. She said
- 7:03Speaker 1: the word fine four times. Varga noted in her report
- 7:07Speaker 1: that Karen had a flat affect, limited eye contact, and
- 7:12Speaker 1: appeared to choose each word carefully, as though she were
- 7:15Speaker 1: being listened to from somewhere else in the house. Varga
- 7:19Speaker 1: did not remove Karen from the residence, but she did
- 7:22Speaker 1: not close the file either. Forty minutes after Varga arrived,
- 7:26Speaker 1: Michael Griffin pulled into the driveway. He had left work midshift.
- 7:31Speaker 1: The timing was consistent with someone who had been notified
- 7:34Speaker 1: the moment a stranger appeared at his door. Here is
- 7:37Speaker 1: where the image starts to develop in full. Varga brought
- 7:41Speaker 1: her notes to Peggy Patterson, a licensed clinical social worker
- 7:45Speaker 1: at the Kellerton Family Justice Center. Patterson spent forty minutes
- 7:49Speaker 1: on the phone with Linda Petrov at the coalition. Petrov
- 7:53Speaker 1: described the two years of Tuesdays, the shrinking posture, the
- 7:57Speaker 1: flinching at the phone, the van i outside. She described
- 8:02Speaker 1: how Griffin would call if Karen was not moving toward
- 8:05Speaker 1: the parking lot. Within thirty minutes of the session ending,
- 8:10Speaker 1: Patterson recognized the structure immediately. She had seen it before,
- 8:15Speaker 1: in different shapes, different addresses. But the documents in the
- 8:18Speaker 1: drain created a problem that had no clean explanation. If
- 8:22Speaker 1: Griffin had destroyed Karen's documents, the threat would be gone,
- 8:26Speaker 1: and so would his leverage. If he had kept them
- 8:29Speaker 1: in the filing cabinet on Pelham Street, investigators could seize
- 8:33Speaker 1: them with a warrant and return them to Karen. But
- 8:36Speaker 1: he had done something else. Entirely, he had taken them
- 8:39Speaker 1: out of the house. He had driven somewhere in the
- 8:42Speaker 1: dark and hidden them in a storm drain, sealed in
- 8:44Speaker 1: contractor bags, close enough to recover but far enough to
- 8:49Speaker 1: deny Patterson's working theory documented in her case notes, Gryffin
- 8:53Speaker 1: had planned to use the disappearance of the documents as
- 8:56Speaker 1: a visible threat, not destruction disappearance. He wanted Karen to
- 9:01Speaker 1: open the cabinet and find it empty. He wanted her
- 9:05Speaker 1: to feel the floor give way beneath her. But something changed.
- 9:10Speaker 1: According to Patterson's notes, the most likely explanation is that
- 9:14Speaker 1: he changed the plan at the last moment and chose
- 9:17Speaker 1: concealment over confrontation, possibly because he sensed the situation was
- 9:22Speaker 1: accelerating toward a point he could no longer control. The
- 9:25Speaker 1: exact reason was never established. What was established, vehicle logs
- 9:29Speaker 1: from Consolidated Midland Transport showed that during the week of
- 9:33Speaker 1: May twenty seventh through May thirty first, a cargo van
- 9:37Speaker 1: registered to Griffin's supervisor credentials was signed out after hours
- 9:42Speaker 1: on three separate nights. The oddometer recorded between twelve and
- 9:46Speaker 1: eighteen additional miles per trip. The straight line distance from
- 9:51Speaker 1: Pelham Street to the drainage easement on Dexter Avenue six
- 9:54Speaker 1: point four miles one way. He made three trips. The
- 9:59Speaker 1: records confirm only one van. What he carried on the
- 10:02Speaker 1: other two nights was never determined. Patterson did not go
- 10:06Speaker 1: to Pelham Street herself. She understood from Petrov's description and
- 10:11Speaker 1: from Varga's welfare check notes that any direct approach would
- 10:15Speaker 1: reach Griffin before it reached Karen, so she constructed something
- 10:20Speaker 1: more precise. She arranged for the Coalition to extend Karen's
- 10:24Speaker 1: Tuesday shift under a legitimate pretextual reason translation assistance for
- 10:29Speaker 1: a new intake. The extension gave Karen forty additional minutes
- 10:34Speaker 1: inside the building. At the exact same moment Karen's shift
- 10:37Speaker 1: was extended, Petrov stepped outside and intercepted Griffin at the vehicle,
- 10:42Speaker 1: a conversation about appending donation unremarkable planned to the minute.
- 10:47Speaker 1: Four minutes that was the window Patterson was waiting in
- 10:51Speaker 1: a back office. What Karen told her in those four
- 10:54Speaker 1: minutes reordered everything that followed. She said Griffin had told
- 10:58Speaker 1: her he could invalidate her visa with a single phone call.
- 11:02Speaker 1: She said she had checked that claim twice on the
- 11:04Speaker 1: Coalition computers and found nothing that supported it. And then
- 11:08Speaker 1: she said something that landed differently than the rest. She
- 11:12Speaker 1: said that after each time she checked, she trusted her
- 11:15Speaker 1: own reading less, not more she did not have a
- 11:18Speaker 1: clinical vocabulary for what had happened to her. She described
- 11:22Speaker 1: it simply as confusion, as a feeling that she must
- 11:25Speaker 1: have misunderstood what she read. Patterson had a clinical vocabulary
- 11:29Speaker 1: for it. She wrote two words in her case notes
- 11:33Speaker 1: that afternoon induced epistemic doubt. The pattern was complete. Two
- 11:38Speaker 1: years of a locked cabinet that could be opened with
- 11:40Speaker 1: a coin, two years of a phone call threat that
- 11:43Speaker 1: had no legal basis, two years of a woman who
- 11:46Speaker 1: had verified the truth twice and been made to distrust
- 11:50Speaker 1: both verifications. The architecture was not physical, it was perceptual.
- 11:56Speaker 1: Griffin had not needed to destroy Karen's sense of reality
- 12:00Speaker 1: all at once. He had only needed to be more
- 12:03Speaker 1: certain than she was, consistently until her own judgment deferred
- 12:08Speaker 1: to his by reflex. Karen Stephens left Palam Street on
- 12:12Speaker 1: June seventeenth. The Coalition arranged transportation. Griffin was at work.
- 12:17Speaker 1: She took two bags with her. Her documents were not
- 12:20Speaker 1: among them. They were still in the drain, waiting for
- 12:23Speaker 1: the trial. There is a version of this case where
- 12:26Speaker 1: the suitcase in the drain is the end of Michael
- 12:29Speaker 1: Griffin's plan, where he takes the documents, removes them from
- 12:33Speaker 1: the cabinet, and Karen opens it to find nothing, and
- 12:36Speaker 1: the emptiness does the work he needed it to do.
- 12:40Speaker 1: She cannot prove she is legally present, She cannot challenge him,
- 12:45Speaker 1: She cannot leave without risking everything. She cannot replace. Picture
- 12:49Speaker 1: that version, Karen in the hallway outside the home office,
- 12:53Speaker 1: the cabinet open, the folders gone, No confrontation necessary, no
- 12:58Speaker 1: threats spoken aloud that could be recorded or repeated, just
- 13:03Speaker 1: the absence of paper and the weight of what that
- 13:05Speaker 1: absence means to some one whose legal existence in this
- 13:08Speaker 1: country lives in a filing cabinet she cannot access on
- 13:12Speaker 1: her own. That version is coherent. It matches everything Gryffin
- 13:17Speaker 1: had built over two years, and it collapses the moment
- 13:20Speaker 1: you look at the drained. He did not leave the
- 13:23Speaker 1: documents where Karen would find them missing. He left them
- 13:26Speaker 1: where she would not find them at all, sealed in
- 13:29Speaker 1: contractor bags under a grate six miles from the house.
- 13:33Speaker 1: That is not a threat designed for Karen to discover.
- 13:37Speaker 1: That is a contingency designed to be recovered later by
- 13:41Speaker 1: someone with a reason to go looking. The threat had
- 13:45Speaker 1: changed audience. It was no longer aimed at Karen's perception.
- 13:50Speaker 1: It was aimed at something else. What Griffin said in
- 13:53Speaker 1: his jail cell months later to a man named Pete
- 13:56Speaker 1: Reuben filled in the shape of what that something else was.
- 14:00Speaker 1: Reuben was awaiting sentencing on an unrelated charge. Griffin spoke
- 14:05Speaker 1: to him freely, the way people speak when they believe
- 14:08Speaker 1: the walls are the only audience. He described Karen as
- 14:12Speaker 1: a project. He described the filing cabinet, the Tuesday evenings,
- 14:17Speaker 1: the van trips, the parking lot arrivals. He described the
- 14:20Speaker 1: system with a kind of methodical satisfaction. According to Reuben's
- 14:24Speaker 1: account to prosecutors, his attorney contacted the district attorney's office.
- 14:29Speaker 1: There is a phrase clinicians used for the specific satisfaction
- 14:33Speaker 1: Griffin appeared to take in describing the architecture of what
- 14:36Speaker 1: he had built. Instrumental pride. The system was the point.
- 14:41Speaker 1: Karen's compliance was the evidence that the system worked. But
- 14:44Speaker 1: here is the thing about a system built entirely on
- 14:48Speaker 1: manufactured uncertainty. It requires the target to never find solid ground.
- 14:54Speaker 1: Karen had found it twice at a computer on Dexter Avenue.
- 15:00Speaker 1: Griffin had neutralized both moments by being more certain than
- 15:03Speaker 1: she was by returning each time with the same calm
- 15:06Speaker 1: confidence that dismantled her trust in her own reading. That
- 15:10Speaker 1: is not a sustainable mechanism. It requires constant maintenance. And
- 15:15Speaker 1: the moment Karen was in a room with someone whose
- 15:18Speaker 1: authority came from outside Griffin's system, a social worker who
- 15:22Speaker 1: sat across from her and did not correct her perception
- 15:25Speaker 1: but confirmed it, the architecture had nothing left to stand on.
- 15:29Speaker 1: A paralegal named Tom Wicker at the Kellerton Immigrant Aid
- 15:33Speaker 1: Society found a case from twenty fifteen while reviewing Griffin's
- 15:38Speaker 1: record after the conviction. A woman named Angela Soriano had
- 15:42Speaker 1: disappeared from Render County. She resurfaced in twenty seventeen. The
- 15:47Speaker 1: case had been classified as a voluntary departure. The method,
- 15:51Speaker 1: as Wicker reconstructed it from available records, was identical documents,
- 15:56Speaker 1: controlled visa threat, manufactured isolation structure through permitted but monitored contact.
- 16:02Speaker 1: Renner County reopened the file after Griffin's conviction. No additional
- 16:07Speaker 1: charges were filed, but the connection was entered into the
- 16:10Speaker 1: state domestic violence registry. Griffin had not invented this, he
- 16:15Speaker 1: had refined it. The trial took place in March of
- 16:18Speaker 1: twenty twenty, Griffin was convicted on four counts, including immigration
- 16:23Speaker 1: document fraud and coercive control, a felony under the state's
- 16:28Speaker 1: revised domestic abuse statute. He received nine years. He had
- 16:32Speaker 1: offered a full confession on July third, two thousand nineteen,
- 16:37Speaker 1: in exchange for a sentencing recommendation. The prosecution declined the
- 16:42Speaker 1: case went to trial anyway. Karen's green card was approved
- 16:46Speaker 1: in October of two thousand nineteen, processed by Attorney Susan
- 16:50Speaker 1: Oquefort at the Kellerton Immigrant Aid Society at no cost.
- 16:55Speaker 1: She continued her Tuesday shifts at the coalition after she
- 16:58Speaker 1: left Pelham Street. Linda Petrov told Patterson that by August
- 17:02Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, Karen had started making jokes again. The
- 17:06Speaker 1: suitcase was returned to her after the trial concluded. She
- 17:10Speaker 1: kept it. There is one detail about the case that
- 17:13Speaker 1: did not make the trial record, but entered the prosecution
- 17:17Speaker 1: file before sentencing. While Griffin was being held before trial,
- 17:21Speaker 1: he was placed in a cell with a man named
- 17:23Speaker 1: Pete Rubin, who was waiting on sentencing for an unrelated charge.
- 17:28Speaker 1: Griffin spoke freely. He described Karen as a project. He
- 17:32Speaker 1: described the filing cabinet, the Van Tripps, the Tuesday arrivals
- 17:36Speaker 1: at the parking lot, Ruben's attorney contacted the prosecution. That conversation,
- 17:42Speaker 1: unguarded almost clinical, became part of the evidentiary record. Griffin
- 17:47Speaker 1: had spent two years constructing a system designed to make
- 17:51Speaker 1: Karen doubt her own mind. In a holding cell, he
- 17:54Speaker 1: dismantled it himself in an afternoon. The prosecution had offered
- 17:58Speaker 1: him a deal on July ul third of two thousand nineteen,
- 18:02Speaker 1: a full confession in exchange for a sentencing recommendation. They
- 18:06Speaker 1: declined his offer. The case went to trial anyway. In
- 18:10Speaker 1: March of twenty twenty, Griffin was convicted on four counts.
- 18:14Speaker 1: The jury found him guilty of immigration document fraud and
- 18:18Speaker 1: coercive control, the latter prosecuted as a felony under the
- 18:21Speaker 1: state's revised domestic abuse statute. He received nine years. There
- 18:27Speaker 1: is something in this case that resists easy resolution even
- 18:31Speaker 1: after the verdict. Griffin's system did not depend on physical violence.
- 18:35Speaker 1: It depended on precision. Every element was calibrated. The locked
- 18:40Speaker 1: cabinet presented as protection the green card fees withdrawn from
- 18:44Speaker 1: an account. Karen could not access the Tuesday window, monitored
- 18:48Speaker 1: from a parking lot, visa threat repeated until it became
- 18:52Speaker 1: louder than any legal text she could find on a
- 18:55Speaker 1: coalition computer screen. The architecture worked because each piece looked
- 19:00Speaker 1: individually like something a husband might reasonably do. Taken together,
- 19:05Speaker 1: it was a cage built from paperwork and repetition. The
- 19:09Speaker 1: paralegal Tom Wicker found angelus Oriano's file after the conviction.
- 19:14Speaker 1: Same documents, controlled, same manufactured threat, same isolation through permitted contact.
- 19:20Speaker 1: Angelus Soriano had been classified as a voluntary departure. She
- 19:25Speaker 1: was twenty three years old when she disappeared from Renner
- 19:28Speaker 1: County in two thousand fifteen. She resurfaced in two thousand
- 19:32Speaker 1: seventeen across a state line with nothing. Renner County reopened
- 19:36Speaker 1: the file. No additional charges were filed against Griffin, but
- 19:41Speaker 1: the connection was entered into the state Domestic Violence Registry,
- 19:45Speaker 1: a record that says plainly that this method had a
- 19:48Speaker 1: name before it had a law to prosecute it. Karen's
- 19:51Speaker 1: green card was approved in October of two thousand nineteen.
- 19:55Speaker 1: Attorney Susan okafor at the Kellerton Immigrant Aid Society processed
- 19:59Speaker 1: it no cost. The document that Griffin had spent two
- 20:03Speaker 1: years pretending not to file, took Okafor's office less than
- 20:07Speaker 1: four months to obtain. Karen continued her Tuesday shifts at
- 20:11Speaker 1: the Coalition on Dexter Avenue. By August of twenty nineteen,
- 20:15Speaker 1: Linda Petrov told Patterson that Karen had started making jokes again,
- 20:20Speaker 1: not forced ones, the kind that catch people off guard.
- 20:25Speaker 1: The suitcase, the hard shell case that Troy Lawson's dog
- 20:28Speaker 1: found half submerged near the storm drain on the morning
- 20:31Speaker 1: of June sixth, was returned to Karen after the trial
- 20:35Speaker 1: concluded she kept it. The exact reason she kept it
- 20:39Speaker 1: is not part of any public record, but it is
- 20:42Speaker 1: not difficult to understand. It is the one piece of
- 20:46Speaker 1: evidence that Gryffin could not explain away, could not reframe
- 20:50Speaker 1: as protection or simplicity or care. He put her entire
- 20:54Speaker 1: existence in a bag and hid it in a drain,
- 20:57Speaker 1: and it survived. So did she. Coercive control is still
- 21:02Speaker 1: under reported, under prosecuted, and frequently miss read as relationship
- 21:08Speaker 1: conflicted by the people who encounter At first, what changed
- 21:11Speaker 1: in keleton was not a law. The statute already existed.
- 21:16Speaker 1: What changed was that one coordinator noticed Karen making herself smaller.
- 21:20Speaker 1: One detective wrote down the phrase flat affect. One social
- 21:24Speaker 1: worker sat across from a woman and let her say
- 21:28Speaker 1: what she knew to be true without correcting her. That sequence, observation, documentation,
- 21:34Speaker 1: intervention without confrontation is now part of the Coalition's intake training.
- 21:40Speaker 1: Griffin built a system that required Karen to doubt herself
- 21:44Speaker 1: in order to function. The moment she was in a
- 21:46Speaker 1: room where her perception was confirmed instead of contradicted, the
- 21:50Speaker 1: system had nothing left to stand on. This show is
- 21:53Speaker 1: made by Oboe Media.