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Gaming and women revisited · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Samantha and welcome to stuff Mom never
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  Speaker 1: told you a production of iHeartRadio. And once again we
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  Speaker 1: are still anyless as she is still on jury duty.
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  Speaker 1: This is October twenty twenty four. If you want to
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  Speaker 1: put a time stamp, like maybe three years down the road.
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  Speaker 1: You're listening to this and you're like, Anie's on jewlry duty.
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  Speaker 1: Who's any because who knows who's gonna be here, right,
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely gonna be Anie, not me, but you know whatever.
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  Speaker 1: All that to say, we are any less today, but
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  Speaker 1: don't fret as again. Today we are joined once again
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  Speaker 1: by the lovely and multi talented, very busy superproducer guest
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  Speaker 1: co host Christina.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, thank you for all the nice words. I have
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  Speaker 2: a few talents maybe, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You have so many talents, you know, and you're wearing
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  Speaker 1: so many hats, especially this week because like we've got
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  Speaker 1: you running around doing so many things, including keeping me
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  Speaker 1: in line actually on Mike.
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  Speaker 2: It's an honor, Fillyan, for Annie is an honor, and
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  Speaker 2: being with you is another.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, we miss Annie, uh, but we know
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  Speaker 1: that she has got to do what she's got to do,
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  Speaker 1: so therefore we've got to do what we've got to do,
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  Speaker 1: and we have the privileges. It's just actually hanging because
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  Speaker 1: I don't really get to see you much. I know's
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  Speaker 1: a record from home. So this has been lovely. Twice
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  Speaker 1: in one week.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't even have my camera on, and I've
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  Speaker 2: been having it on for these and it's nice for me.
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  Speaker 2: Forces me to put on a better shirt. Not I'm
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  Speaker 2: just wearing a sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 1: But like, yeah, I'm technically I'm not gonna say, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 1: I'm wearing the same shirt of that war yesterday and
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  Speaker 1: the name before yesterday. But I'm clean. Yeah, ish, I've
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  Speaker 1: taken showers. Done saying too much. Anyway, We're glad you're here,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm glad to see you and talk with you
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  Speaker 1: once again, and you're here for a full episode. So
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  Speaker 1: it's probably still gonna be a shorter one. I say
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  Speaker 1: this at the beginning of episodes and then end up
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  Speaker 1: being like really really long. But we're gonna say it's
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  Speaker 1: a shorter one. We'll see and we're gonna keep it simple.
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  Speaker 1: And we're revisiting a topic we've talked a lot about,
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  Speaker 1: and it's about gaming. We've talked a lot about it
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  Speaker 1: and I will say, you don't have to worry because
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  Speaker 1: we'll probably talk about it again with Annie with similar
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  Speaker 1: same references, as we know she has a lot of
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  Speaker 1: opinions and lots and lots of expertise when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to gaming in general, and most likely newish insights on
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  Speaker 1: the games we know she loves. I got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of good behind the scenes information by the way, Christina
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  Speaker 1: while we were in Seattle, and I know she's been
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  Speaker 1: doing quite a lot of replaying, also taking time away
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  Speaker 1: to send us pictures of scenes that we visited in
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  Speaker 1: Seattle so we could compare. I love that, I know, right,
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  Speaker 1: So I will say she probably is gonna be like,
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  Speaker 1: what why did you do this one without me? But again,
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  Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: gaming world, and it's kind of the show's specialty, not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily my specialty, but the show specialty, because not only
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  Speaker 1: does any do a lot of gaming, but so do you, Right, yes.
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  Speaker 2: I do. I do love a video game.
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  Speaker 1: I do, and I want to break it down towards
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  Speaker 1: end about your favorite games because you definitely sent me
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  Speaker 1: some recommendations the first time I came out and being
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  Speaker 1: like what is cozy games? And you're like, oh, try
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  Speaker 1: these things, and I was like, yeah, that's too competitive.
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  Speaker 2: I know I'm gonna talk about one of them that
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  Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know about this, and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: very funny to me that you think that. But because
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  Speaker 2: it's not wrong, you're not wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's again like the level of when I
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  Speaker 1: tell y'all, I'm like, no, I don't want to fight things.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to jump off of things. I can't
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  Speaker 1: if I'm gonna fall off a cliff. If there's a
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  Speaker 1: per chance that I could fall off of something, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna do it. If there's a per chance that something's
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  Speaker 1: gonna kill me, it's gonna kill me. Like, don't do
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  Speaker 1: this to me. Yeah, So those are high risk games
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  Speaker 1: that I'm like, this is too stressful. But you are
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  Speaker 1: in the gaming world, so I'm really glad to have
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  Speaker 1: your point of view on this because we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: a few things. Because this is kind of a refresher
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  Speaker 1: in the statistics in gaming. Like I said, and he's
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  Speaker 1: going to come back. There's a topic that we're going
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  Speaker 1: to come at at the end that we're probably going
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  Speaker 1: to revisit on a bigger scale because I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk names, like about big names within this industry. But
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  Speaker 1: today I wanted to revisit it because recently a new
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  Speaker 1: game that's coming out that's not even out yet, Ghost
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  Speaker 1: of Yotai, which is a successor to Ghost of Tsushima
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  Speaker 1: and initially which is a very popular game that I
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  Speaker 1: know nothing about. Again, this is one of those competitive
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  Speaker 1: I think open world games that was stressed me out.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't I don't know if I've heard of this game.
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  Speaker 2: I do like open world games though.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a Sony game created by Sucker Punch,
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  Speaker 1: that's the company. Again, I don't know much about these games.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is one of those that again it's like,
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  Speaker 1: people love this game and have very strong feelings about
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  Speaker 1: this game. And even though I may not know much
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  Speaker 1: about this game, it doesn't mean that it's not showing
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  Speaker 1: up on my FYP my page for you page specifically,
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  Speaker 1: and and started several things, including people's complaints about this game,
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  Speaker 1: and usually mine are stitches in which people are complaining
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  Speaker 1: about it and then someone comes around being like, what's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with you? Essentially calling those people out. So at
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  Speaker 1: the least is I'm on the good side of these complaints.
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  Speaker 1: Dot dot dot dot dot dot. Well, again, what little
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  Speaker 1: I know about this game as as follows. Ghost of
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  Speaker 1: Tsushima is about warriors of feudal Japan, and the Ghost
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  Speaker 1: of Yota follows closely with that, except the new protagonist
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  Speaker 1: is a woman Atsu, and that has a lot of
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  Speaker 1: several people angry apparently like they do not love the
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  Speaker 1: fact that it is a woman, with comments of how
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  Speaker 1: unrealistic it is to have fictional characters based off of
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  Speaker 1: historical Japanese warriors. Oh oh, and the game isn't actually
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  Speaker 1: going to be released until next year twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, people are angry because they don't want to
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  Speaker 1: play the game as a woman. Literally, the first club
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  Speaker 1: I saw was like this, like I have to play
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  Speaker 1: as a woman. Why do I have to play this woman? Now,
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  Speaker 1: you can go back and take a listen to Annie's
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  Speaker 1: episodes or episodes so that Annie talks about Last of
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  Speaker 1: Us and the many arguments and comments that people had
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  Speaker 1: about that as well, because we know Elie especially Last
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  Speaker 1: of Us too, so many, so many sexists, so many
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  Speaker 1: like homophobic rants happen because of this specific game, and
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  Speaker 1: it has a lot to do similarly with like the
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with gy because they fell in love
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  Speaker 1: with the original protagonist who was a dude, and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: why can't I bet him again? What's happening? I don't
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  Speaker 1: like this. And here's some more information from writer and
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  Speaker 1: gamer Colin bish who wrote an article writing about the
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  Speaker 1: misogyny in gaming. Oh and this article was published October
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  Speaker 1: fourth of this year, so just recently four. He says,
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  Speaker 1: the new game set to release on the PlayStation five
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  Speaker 1: next year, introduces a new main character, Otsu, a female
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  Speaker 1: Ronan traveling on the island of Hokkado in sixteen oh three,
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  Speaker 1: and many became upset with the change in the main character.
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  Speaker 1: Sucker Punch created a new lead in the place of
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  Speaker 1: the Ghost of Shushima beloved main character Jin Sakei, and
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  Speaker 1: he goes on to talk about the bigger issue with
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  Speaker 1: the controversy of this game quote, yet the other controversy
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  Speaker 1: surrounding the Ghost of Yotai is equally childish and disgusting.
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  Speaker 1: The announcement of a female main character in Ghosts of
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  Speaker 1: Yo type sparked a wave of negative reactions. Twitter became
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  Speaker 1: flooded by thousands of comments shouting woke and dei at
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  Speaker 1: the announcement. Twitch streamer Asman Gold, with over three million followers,
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  Speaker 1: even asked his viewers if he could play the game
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  Speaker 1: as a man, reflecting the underlying misogyny in the gaming community.
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  Speaker 1: So like they just went in about how they were
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  Speaker 1: so angry about this again, we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: it in a bit, but like, there's so many games
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  Speaker 1: with women characters. Laura Kroft, Yeah, tune Raider, right.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say that too. Yeah, there's like a
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  Speaker 2: lot of really popular games where I don't feel like
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  Speaker 2: I've heard that, you know, complaint. But I guess because
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  Speaker 2: there was once a male main character, they're more upset
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  Speaker 2: now still doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Again, this is so this this one
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  Speaker 1: creator that he talked about, and this is the video
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  Speaker 1: that I did see the stitch of, Like he comes
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  Speaker 1: in and complaining about why can't I play suck Eye?
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  Speaker 1: What is this being upset? And he's not the other one.
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  Speaker 1: Like Twitter was flooded with different comments about oh I
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  Speaker 1: don't like this, why is this woman here? And they
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  Speaker 1: even talks about, you know, oh, women aren't samuraiz. They
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  Speaker 1: were never samuraized. This is inaccurate, which is actually not true.
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  Speaker 1: But all these different things, and it is said that
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  Speaker 1: he is more of a misogynistic, sexist player and he
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  Speaker 1: has a lot of comments against women in general. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's characters like I remember playing a Street Fighter as
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  Speaker 1: different women characters. I remember playing in Mortal Kombat as
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  Speaker 1: different women characters. Of course, maybe the difference is that
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  Speaker 1: they had the choice to not play the woman. Again.
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  Speaker 1: Last of Us was one of the most especially the
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  Speaker 1: Last of Us Too was one of the most well
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  Speaker 1: received at the same time controversial games that we know
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  Speaker 1: to date. But it was definitely played as the perspective
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  Speaker 1: of two female protagonists slash antagonists. It's kind of how
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  Speaker 1: you look at it. I guess, which I found interesting
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of the games, And maybe this is
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  Speaker 1: where I'm different, because I guess, like open world games
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  Speaker 1: that are really competitive to that harsh level. Since I'm
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  Speaker 1: a cozy gamer or a mobile gamer, you can choose
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  Speaker 1: to be a woman, a man, non gender like, non binary,
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  Speaker 1: all of those for majority of the games that we play.
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  Speaker 1: So perhaps that's why I don't understand this, because I'm like, huh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe they feel like they are being masculated to pretend
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  Speaker 1: to be a woman who fight.
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  Speaker 2: You can't make sense of it really.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, So of course then there's an added layer
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  Speaker 1: to the contra versy again like much like the Last
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  Speaker 1: of Us. And he's gonna be so upset that I'm
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  Speaker 1: mentioning this so much without her. The voice actor Erica
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  Speaker 1: is she who portrays the character identifies as gender fluid,
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  Speaker 1: which people have once again argued as a part of
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  Speaker 1: this whole woke agenda. Oh again, this is why we
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: can't come away from talking about technology and gaming when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to today's conversations because that term woke slash DEI,
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  Speaker 1: which has now become almost like a slang. Would you
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  Speaker 1: like it's come to that point.
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  Speaker 2: Do you stand for again d I?
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  Speaker 1: Diversity, equity and inclusion, and that they use that word. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: they use that and as like a negative. Yes, and
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  Speaker 1: that's that's what they say. And it's kind of like
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  Speaker 1: their voice actors.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do their job.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, Like I don't get why you're up that because
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  Speaker 1: they identify something that has nothing to do with you
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  Speaker 1: or the game. So it's kind of odd. But again,
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  Speaker 1: this is that bigger conversation and now we have talked
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  Speaker 1: about before and I think we're probably going to bring
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  Speaker 1: it back as a classic sometime soon about women samurais
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  Speaker 1: as well as well as pirates, and yes, though some
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  Speaker 1: would not use the term samurai specifically. So I think
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  Speaker 1: beishi or boushi is the name for warriors during that
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  Speaker 1: time in Japan. They existed. Women warriors existed who fought
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  Speaker 1: alongside men in battles during that time in Japan. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure why the men are crying out saying
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  Speaker 1: this isn't historically accurate, Like it doesn't makes a lot
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  Speaker 1: of sense, and I don't know where they're coming from
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  Speaker 1: other than they're just wanting to hate on something. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because there are like legendary conversations about both samurai warriors
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  Speaker 1: what would be considered ninjas, like all of these things
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  Speaker 1: which have become such a picture in toxic masculinity somehow
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  Speaker 1: like vikings along those lines that they don't realize women
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  Speaker 1: were involved. So this whole argument about being historically inaccurate
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  Speaker 1: is so bizarre to me anyway, So, yeah, it really is,
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  Speaker 1: but it feels like it's just a new way to
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  Speaker 1: complain when it's like it's existed again, women protagonists and
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  Speaker 1: games have always have mainly been there, So I don't understand.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe They just really want the princess Peach right yeah,
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  Speaker 1: ideal still, which is hilarious because they wouldn't consider like
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  Speaker 1: Mario Brothers or any of those games to that level
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  Speaker 1: of that open world type of thing like Zelda. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, Zelda was the princess, right yeah? Link? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And you can't really play at Zelda, can you.
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  Speaker 2: There is a recent game that just came out where
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  Speaker 2: you can plays there, but it's like a whole different
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  Speaker 2: type of game than the most recent open world game
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  Speaker 2: was Legend of Zelda Tears at the Kingdom and that
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  Speaker 2: when you plays link and yeah, Zelda, the Princess is
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  Speaker 2: in trouble. But the new game came out and Zelda
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  Speaker 2: is the character that you play as, but it's more
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  Speaker 2: of a top down game. It's not as you know,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe open world as that game. But people love it.
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  Speaker 2: I hear it.
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  Speaker 1: It's really good. Are you do you play Zelda?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I played the Tears of the Kingdom game. I
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  Speaker 2: loved it.
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  Speaker 1: Are you one that would call Breath of the Wild
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  Speaker 1: a cozy game? Because when people say that to me,
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  Speaker 1: I one, I want to argue with them, but I
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  Speaker 1: have no real basis to the I feel.
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  Speaker 2: Like for your terms of what you want as a
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  Speaker 2: cozy game. No, but it's like cute and okay, there's fighting,
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  Speaker 2: the fighting is hard.
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  Speaker 1: There's bosses. Is stuck. I don't know if it's Breath
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  Speaker 1: of the Wild. Is it Breath of the Wireless? She says,
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  Speaker 1: she's stuck in She's like, I can't get past because
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  Speaker 1: I made a mistake in this game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Both of them were very similar, similar games,
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  Speaker 2: but not the coziest if. Yeah, but.
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  Speaker 1: The spectrums, okay, okay, and that's fair enough, that's fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so with all these things, with the games,
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  Speaker 1: with the historical context of it all, it doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: make their argument doesn't really seem to stand. And again,
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  Speaker 1: it hasn't come out yet, so we don't know the
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  Speaker 1: actual reviews. We know that for those who loved Ghosts
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  Speaker 1: of Tsushima, they loved it, and there's talks of it
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  Speaker 1: becoming a movie. Apparently the director of John Wick is
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  Speaker 1: looking at it. I don't, I don't know. That's those
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  Speaker 1: are like a few things that took a glimpse of
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  Speaker 1: that I did not study into. So there's that, But yes,
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  Speaker 1: sexism within, whether it's towards characters, creators or gamers is
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  Speaker 1: very much still a problem in the industry. You don't,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think anything. I don't think we expected anything
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  Speaker 1: to really change in the last five years. But as
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  Speaker 1: fast as technology and access to technology and things within
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  Speaker 1: technology is changing, you would think there'd be bigger jumps,
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  Speaker 1: but it doesn't seem to be. And the insufferable phrase
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  Speaker 1: get back in the kitchen or make me a sandwich
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  Speaker 1: is very much overused when we watch women playing online
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  Speaker 1: games with dudes. So I've seen like whether it's Call
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  Speaker 1: of Duty, I don't know any other online games where
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  Speaker 1: you shoot people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's definitely an assess pool those online games
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  Speaker 2: for sure. And I mean it's so tired too, some
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  Speaker 2: of these phrases that like I go to phrase for them,
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  Speaker 2: like you're not even being unique about it.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I'm like, that doesn't even make sense, especially in
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  Speaker 1: the world where culinary practices have now been dominated by
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  Speaker 1: men because we realized they realize and makes money for
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  Speaker 1: the most part.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just lazy, it is.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's still very much like every time I
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  Speaker 1: see a clip because again, even though I'm not like
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  Speaker 1: into online games specifically on PC or any of those
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  Speaker 1: collaborative games. I do see like girls having to do
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  Speaker 1: with quietly to the dues, just like a not too
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  Speaker 1: stereotype too much, but they do sound fairly young. I
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  Speaker 1: know at one point there was a kid that was like,
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  Speaker 1: I think she was able to find him, was like
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  Speaker 1: fourteen years old and say all these things. So she
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: called his mother and sent her what he was saying.
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  Speaker 1: There's some really crude stuff, and apparently he got in
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  Speaker 1: trouble and had this computer taken away. Well, like, it
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  Speaker 1: seems to be a younger generation who really think this
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  Speaker 1: is masculinity, And I really wish that perspective would change,
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  Speaker 1: because it is. It's tiresome and if you are that young,
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  Speaker 1: at least be more creative. I don't know, Yes, make
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  Speaker 1: a sandwich doesn't really boots.
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  Speaker 2: Not like there's a point where those phrases aren't even
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  Speaker 2: insulting anymore. It's just like it's telling of the person
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  Speaker 2: saying it right, regardless of how sexist it is. But
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  Speaker 2: like it's not even yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing old? It's so old, you know,
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  Speaker 1: coming to the Newton of at least like doing better insults.
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  Speaker 1: But again, with all of those pushbacks, women still make
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  Speaker 1: up a good chunk of gamers. In twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: aimcontrollers dot com, which I believe is a site that's
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  Speaker 1: making controllers, and they have targeted women because they realize
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  Speaker 1: that this is making money. But anyway, they write the
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  Speaker 1: following statistics data shows that women make up about forty
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  Speaker 1: five percent of the gaming community. Interestingly, according to the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Global Gamers they report by new Zoo, thirty six percent
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  Speaker 1: of women see themselves as gamers and thirty one percent
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: stata that others see them that way. So even the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: women who, again I would be one of those women,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I don't always call myself gamer because I'm like, I'm
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: not technically again, not doing the PC stuff, not doing
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: anything that's like competitive outside of I just caught a fish,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: and it's this unique type of fish type of conversation
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: which is still gaming for sure, But like it took
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: me a while to like, oh, yeah, okay, I'll go
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: there because the amount of time I spend on my
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: phone playing games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot anyway. But again, it
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: goes on to say that most popular gaming platforms among
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: female gamers, according to new Zoo, is mobile devices and
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  Speaker 1: as many as forty four percent of them play exclusively
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: on them. I have gone beyond the exclusive part.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, you know, play a.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Little bit on the switch, play a little bit on
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: the the other one. Steam deck.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: That's a nice I want a Steam deck. I got
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: at gamers stuff there.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I'm not good at it because it's too big, ye sots,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: let's have like a girly statement. And I say this
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: not sexist, but yeah, I'm like, I can't really handle
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: this anyway. But and he loves it and he loves hers.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: And of course we've already gone in depth about the
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: mobile gaming world and how much of a money market
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: it is, and and just to kind of revisit, uh
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: with the most recent information on the current status as
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty four, here's some facts or numbers from
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: the Entertainment Software Association based solely on the US POPPY.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Now this is based in the US, so there are
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: over one hundred and ninety point six million people who
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: play video games between the ages of five and ninety
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  Speaker 1: very broad, I.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Know, yes. And also sixty one percent of the population
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: report playing video games at least one hour every week,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: and the average age of players is thirty six years
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  Speaker 2: old and at least twenty nine percent of players are
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: fifty or over.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: You know, I love that the fact that the median
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: age has changed because it actually jumped from I believe
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: it was like twenty nine to thirty six.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I jumped right like it's jumped pretty big, and I
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, Okay, I think this is that conversation
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: about millennials coming in to play as well as gen
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Z and now jen Alva, like we're all have now
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: officially grown up on it. That has become a norm.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: And I love that twenty nine percent of the players
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: are fifty. I think it was originally like when they
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: originally looked at it twenty years before, it was seventeen percent.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: So it jumped twelve percent in the last twenty years. Yeah,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: which is not as high as I thought it would be,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: but higher than most. Because we're also talking about the
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: generation who has a hard time with technology and must
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: ask questions like how do I fix this? Or you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the ones that write their questions as a status because
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: they don't understand I've done I've almost done that before,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: though I can't really say much, you know what I mean?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And as expected, mobile phone games are the most used
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: gaming platform. However, it seems Gen Alpha and gen Z
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: are the biggest users of PCs and consoles, so I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: was surprised by that, although millennials are close behind. So
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like we jumped from like the new technology.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: We had the original which we're all consoles, and then
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we and then PCs and then we got them on
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the phone. So we're like, oh, let's stump into that,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and now we're coming back because like we like the
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: new systems, or maybe it's that whole like you know,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I love records better than CDs. Conversation, Yeah, oh god,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: I just think myself even more anyway, you know what
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: I do. I mean, I mean, if Jen Alfa is
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: using a PC or console, they're using their millennial parents.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Is PC or console?
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Right? I don't know? Well, because think about how many
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: additions of the like PS, whatever, PlayStation or whatever are
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: we at five? And I know, for Annie, once again
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: speaking for her, she buys the newest edition, and I
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: know her Game of Friends and our Game of Friends
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: buys the new edition. My partner is pretty much stuck
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: with PCs and he loves doing PC stuff. He's gotten
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: back into Minecraft, which I thought was a child thing.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: He's him and his coworkers love it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: I love Minecraft as well. I'll say that. Okay, I
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: thought about bringing it up later, but I'm briefly. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: love it and I played it since I was a teenager,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: and I've seen like babies play it. So that's where
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the game is so cool. It's like adults can play
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: it and then babies can play it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. As in fact, my partner is one of his coworkers' kids,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: who is I think heats today are like six or seven.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong and they could be twelve. I apologize,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: but they were younger. But he has to help hit
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: them build things on Minecraft, and like they will give
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: her things that are like gems and such. She's got
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: the rack around her fingers, like she knows what she's
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: doing because he's not complained to, Like I had to
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: do so much work for this and I gave it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to her. Why did I give it to her?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I've played with my niece before, who was like seven
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: or eight, And yeah, I mean it's a great great
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: for parents to play with their kids or you know which.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: We're going to talk more about. But yeah, I find
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that interesting because it is a whole thing and on
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: like that's the PC, So like I find that fascinating.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's versions of it their PlayStation.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: You can play even on your phone. That's that's why
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: mobile gaming should be even taken more seriously. Yeah, as
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: it is. It's obviously it's it's a massive platform that
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: people are playing games on. But like a lot of
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: games that got popular on PCs, you could play pretty
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: much the full game on your phone because friends are
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: so good now, so hello, there's not a huge difference, yes,
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: and snake.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Snake, that's right. So in twenty twenty three, consumers spent
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: fifty seven billion dollars on video games and some for
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: some more detail. The top grossing console PC full games
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: were Hogwarts Legacy, followed by Call of Duty Modern Warfare
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: three and Madden NFL twenty four. The fact that there's
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: twenty four versions of Madden, oh my god.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every year a new one comes out.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: There's probably more than twenty four.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, you think, so, I know there are too many.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe there's like a nineteen ninety nine version. I don't know,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I could.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: See you think they're like specific todays. I know the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: release you play.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: It's called twenty four.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: I thought like, this year's Oh I'm dumb.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: No you're not. I don't say this is I don't
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: even know why people play this.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Was twenty four.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: But I think you're right.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hide in the hall. This is how
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: a little old game. But thank you for correcting. But
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you're corrected the twenty four.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: It does have different games. I'm a I'm a pertect.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Like there's twenty four out there, fouritions. I'm gonna go.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Do Modern NFL twenty twenty.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Game one, right, don't get me wrong. I played Knockout.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Uh huh, don't get don't get me. I got I
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: got the Mike Tyson's Knockout. I was really bad at
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: it too, all right, anyway, And I love playing with
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: my brother who would just knock me out and think
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: it's hilarious. And then it didn't want to play with
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: me anymore because I was too easy anyway.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Whatever.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: And the top grossing mobile game is a Monopoly Go
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: and they got me and I spent a lot of
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: money on it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I remember you talking about this game and you're like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say what it is, but I could
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: tell what it was. This is like the biggest game,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: which is absurd. The mart is absurd.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I've quit since then because I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: got so mad. Because the more you spend, the more
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it goes up. So when you first started, they're like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: we're gonna get you in, which is the thing of
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the trick with everyone like right, we're gonna get you
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in with this ninety nine cents special. We got you
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: this package. And then it just kept increasing and I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: was like, why am I doing this? There's no this
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: is not gonna stay with me, like if my phone dies,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: it's so for although you can look at your Facebook
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: or if I deact to pay Facebook.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I will say Also, there are a lot of games similar,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: not the same concept, but like mobile games like Monopoly Go.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I think a Kim Kardashian game. The people sunk hundreds
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: of hours into it and a lot of money and
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: they're just getting got rid of it, or they're getting
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: rid of it, and people are like so upset. So
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: it is like a thing that can just disappear on you.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: It's true. And you know what I've recently figured out,
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: because once upon a time there would be games that
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you could put like ninety nine cents to get rid
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: of the ads so you didn't have to see as
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: many ads. They do that as a subscription system, so
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: they're like pay like two ninety nine or I saw
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: one that's like nine ninety nine to get rid of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it for thirty days.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Oh that's wild.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: What anyway? Oh, I'm okay, I've i you're doing stopped
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: with that addiction. Yeah, no, I've stopped with that addiction.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I figured out and I've kind of hinted at this
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: at like apps that help you make money by watching
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: ads and playing games and they get your information, yeah,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and then they reward you. And that's been able to
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: like feed enough, like I'll turn it on while I'm
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: playing games and then turn it back off. But that's
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: fees enough until like, oh I got fifteen dollars so
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I can spend it that way. Yeah, which is still
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: not healthy probably, but you know whatever. But anyway, Monopoly
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Go was the number one, followed by Candy Crush and Roapeblocks.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Roadblocks Is that the same thing as Minecraft?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: No, it's oh no, it's it's a fair assumption from
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: if you don't play either. Watched the game Roadblocks I
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: don't even I've never really played it, but I know
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a lot of kids love it and a lot of
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: adults are into it. And there's a lot of different
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: games within the game, and it's very multiplayer heavy, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I think if I was younger, I'm sure I would
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: have been all all about it, because I was really
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: into like online games where you could meet strangers, which
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: you know, back then it was more risky, but hopefully
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Roadblocks now is like started.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I just saw a TikTok about them saying that they're
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: a haven for a pedophile, So I don't know, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't read too much into that. That woud
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: be a different conversation in itself. Oh and by the way,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: speaking of TikTok, I just saw a video calling Candy
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Crush a Gen X boomer game, and I just want
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: to say to that person, how dare you? Uh huh,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: how dare you? I have a played Candy Crush in
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a minute, but obviously it's still making its money and
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: how dare you?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could play it at a Dave and Busters,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: So come on, okay, kids are playing it. I think
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: it's like a physical machine. A lot of games relate that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, nowadays that makes sense. And of course because of
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: these profits, uh, the companies suddenly realizing that women are
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: on the rise in the gaming world. I think it's now.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we mentioned it again. It went
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: from forty five percent of being women to forty eight
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: percent women being the gamers. So with that, many companies
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: have jumped on board to include women outside of being
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: just you know, overly sexual life characters. And here's a
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: bit from an opinion piece in the Michigan Daily dot
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: com about one writer's beginning and love for gaming, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: she writes, the rise in female gamers has forced the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: gaming industry to adapt in order to accommodate its growing
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: female user base, with some companies achieving more success than others.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: My favorite video game is Fortnite, and they have been
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: successful in gaining and maintaining female users by creating more
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: female skins and fostering an inclusive environment. There are new
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: TikTok trends celebrating female gamers recently, like the Fortnite Girlfriend,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: where men post clips of their girlfriends playing Fortnite, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the trend is pretty wholesome. The girls struggled to learn
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: and play the game like any beginner, but their boyfriend's
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: support and encourage them by positively reinforcing female gamers. Like
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: in this trend, the industry can maintain is growing popularity
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: among women.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: I did want to say that I have seen this trend.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: It is. It made me laugh. It's pretty funny, you know.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It does like reinforce like, oh, women aren't as good
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: at this game. But it is funny and it's wholesome,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you know. It's not outwardly like, oh, my girlfriend is
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: horrible this game. It's just like maybe, yeah, she could
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: be a new player and a lot of Like Fortnite,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: it's a hard game. I mean, it's also a game
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: it's like anyone could win or lose.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: But the interaction between my partner and I is I
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: play a game to a certain point and that I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: can't beat them, and then I have to be like, ah,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: you being THEMT tired of this game to my partner,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and then they do that.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: It's like the modern day opening the pickle jar.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the Luigi's Haunted Mansion.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I struggled to course, like with the bigger bosses, and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out how to use both bubble version.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: What is what? I never actually I never played that game.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: They want to people love. I do love.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: It is super cute and it's like you collect all
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: these things. And I gave up too quickly because I
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: was like, I can't let this boss and I had
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: to get my partner to go beat them. Like I've
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: had those jibs.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: We've done that.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I should go back and try to play it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I just wanted to say that that trend
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: is very funny, and I know that we've talked about
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: how gaming has become a way of connecting people, not
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: just through the online community, but families and partners as well,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: just like with you asking your partner to help you out. Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: According to the same essay statistics, families have used games
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: as a form of bonding. Eighty three percent of parents
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: they played games with their kids, and at least fifty
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: one percent play with their kids.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Weekly, which I find interesting. Now, I think we've known
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: about the siblings playing together. I mean except Annie and I,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: whose siblings are either way more competitive or just mean,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: like any of other stories about her brother like making
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: fun of her, which she was better and they did
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: not like that. As for me, I was worse and
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: they did not like that.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I remember being I remember being a kid, and I
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: have two brothers, and I remember being a kid, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: like me and my sister and I have a sister,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: we would sit there and just sit on the floor
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and watch them play games. But there's they would play
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: like the early granted photo games, and my sister would
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: like run to my mom and cry, like be upset
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: and be like if they heard a woman in the game.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: You know, it's really easy to run people over in
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that game, and so she didn't like that. And that's
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: always a funny memory for me. But just watch them,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: yeah right, hey, I guess yeah, playing with your kids though,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's like the I think one of
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: the coolest things about game.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It really is. And I'm wondering. I'm wondering with parents
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: joining in press because millennials are now the parents are
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the ones that have the air children, and this being
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: more recent, I think that could be a big change
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: because we grew up and I say this as excellennial.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Gene's like right on the cusp and not having children
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: but being the age that my nieces have grown up
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: or watching like my friend's children, like they play these games.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: My generation started kind of like really being into these games.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, there was all these games before
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: we have the different systems, but with like Nintendo coming
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: out and PlayStation coming out, all of those Xbox that
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: was a whole different level, especially with handhelds, having game boys,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: which was I think the first for us, and then
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: having a smaller place like all of those that you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: could have portably. That changed a lot of perspectives in
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: what was a normal pastime. And I think that's really
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: interesting to see as they play with kids, because we
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: still came like that's still a thing. Obviously, we saw
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the rise in fifty year olds still playing, like more
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: of them playing games. The fact that millennials are still
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: heavy into like console games as well as PCs, like
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: this is a big thing still. So I think it
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: has a lot to do with like that bonding time.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's easier than ever. You could. You
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: could play cross platform a lot of games too, like
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I think Roadblocks. The kid could play on the computer,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: and if you're a parent you want to play with them,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: you could play on your phone or sname with Minecraft.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: It's it's really cool that way too. So like, even
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: if you don't own multiple consoles or multiple computers, there's
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: still ways that you can play fun games that adults
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: and kids both enjoy playing and playing them together. And
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: like I, like I said, I played Minecraft with my
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: niece before, and it's she's great at it, and it's
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: it's funny because yeah, I played it when I was
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: a teenager, so it's it's a game. Games are now
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: like living on and on and getting updated. And you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: I bought the game like thirteen years ago and I
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: could still plan the same account and that's really wow.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, that's interesting. That's cool and yeah, and
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: partners have become more involved with things like the Fortnite Girlfriend,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: which I've never seen, but also like girlfriend reviews, it
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: really like opened and expanded her world from like being
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the partner that watches her boyfriend to being the person
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: who is trying the games as well and reviewing the
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: games as well and then flip flopping about the different
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: games and she they as like a duo, have made
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: tons of money and have been able to solely focus
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: on that as their career and like bring other people
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: to be interested because it is a funny take on
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: different games. And I think it kind of was what
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: my partner because when I was initially starting to game
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: through like switch and all of that, I didn't until
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: he was like, watch this, I think you'll like this game.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: And it was partially watching those YouTube videos and being like, look,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: she thinks it's fun. You should look at this type
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: of level. And it was interesting at least like the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: way they they put that perspective. I also love making
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: fun of my partner when he dies in the game,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: so I think that's also enjoyable. But hey, bonding right.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, couch crow up games are just another way
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I think are to me the perfect game to play
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: with a partner because you can be on the same
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: television if it's a split stream situation. And I love
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: those types of games like It Takes Too. I know
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I've recommended that to both you and Andy before. Have
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: you played that one?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't because we got mad about Overcooked.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Overcooked is so hard. It's way better than that. I mean,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: there's probably some fighting that could happen with It Takes two, but.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: I hardly just get annoyed.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like those types of like little little fights that
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: don't really matter, but that's a really good, like couple
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: of game to play.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna play. I'm gonna play with them,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: and then we're gonna come back and talk about it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Is it like, is that a game that you and
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: your partner are playing?
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I like that before, and it's yeah, it's like
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: a split screen, so you just need one TV and
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: then you're two characters who are working together to kind
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: of beat the game. And it's truly good. It's a
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: really good world too. It's like miniatures and toys and stuff,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and oh it's very cute and fun. It's not like
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: it's not too serious.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, because the overcooked one of my problems well
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Overcooked as well as Super Smash. I can never figure
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: out which one mine is and I start doing and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I really get frustrated.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Do you ever do that when playing Mario Kart?
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I fall off so many times. I'm so far behind
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: that I know which one is me.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: It's so bad when you think you think you're somebody
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: who's doing really well and you're like, whoa, I'm gonna
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: win and you're actually like in the place.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been stuck and the cloud guy has been
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: helped lifting you up. The en hard time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: I'm not bitter about this game anyway, but I'm wondering
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: if that's what it takes Sue, is anything like that,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, where am I?
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Well, if you just know you're on the left or
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: the right, should be good and you can play as
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I think the male or the female.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: So okay, well one, this has become a hotel of
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: why I fil yes, and as women continue to take
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: more space in gaming, we are seeing the same on
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: the competitive level as we've kind of been talking about.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: But as expected, it's been filled with many obstacles and
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: roadblocks and honestly, this is an episode on its own,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: so we're just going to briefly look into it. And
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: according to Women's Game dot Org, this is an organization
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: that was created like way back when and there was
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: very few of them. And this isn't twenty twenty. We
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: have a global average statistic of twenty two percent of
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: women and gaming as in the industry, and in our
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: recent survey of the global top fifteen game companies, only
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: sixteen percent of women are represented in the executive teams
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: and a number of women working in any role or
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: competing in e sports is around five percent or one
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and twenty so it's very very, very very small amount numbers.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: And here's some more sad statistics from a twenty twenty
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: three article titled Women in Esports, Current Landscape and Ways
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: to enhance their successful participation. This was a statistics paper,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: kind of a theory paper about getting women in esports
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: is as it is vividly reflected in the female share
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: in esports earnings. Dota two currently is the most lucrative
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: game for esports players and according to the BBC only
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: points zero zero two percent, which is about six thousand,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: three hundred US dollars of about two hundred and thirty
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: five million US dollars as awarded in DODA two competitions
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: up to twenty twenty one has been won by women,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: so literally just sixty three hundred dollars. This is to
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: remain largely unchanged as at the time of writing, none
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of the teams that, according to current standings, are likely
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to compete in this year's DODA two World Championship that
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: include a woman. Based on data gathered by esports Earnings
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: dot Com, Sasha Scarlett h Ho, a Canadian playing StarCraft two,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: is currently the top female player who won the most
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: prize money in esports overall, which equal to be about
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: four hundred fifty three thousand, five hundred and seven dollars,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: and in the list of players with the highest overall rankings,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: she is ranked four hundred and eighty seven. The next
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: woman and I'm sorry this is gonna be bad, Li
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Xiaoming or Lion on the list, with earnings of two
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: hundred and forty one thousand, five hundred and ten dollars,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: does not rank among the top one thousand overall, So
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: currently there's only one woman in the top one thousand
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: of esports players with the highest overall earnings in the world.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Apart from this marginal female share in esports prize money distribution,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the female underrepresentation at the highest level also make it
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: difficult for women players to acquire additional revenue through sponsoring
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: and other brand partnerships. Currently, they largely miss out on
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: chance of capitalizing on esports rapid growth.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: And some have tried to say it could be because
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: women aren't as interested, but they also have some numbers
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: on that quote. The female interest appears to be profound,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: as the female audience share already is significant. In Europe,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: for example, thirty seven percent of the estports audience in
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two was female. Given the high share of
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: women engaging video games, the number of female viewers can
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: be expected to drow. The reasons thus seem to lie
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: deeper in relevant articles and on platforms. It is often
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: claimed that a hostile environment for women is created in
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: gaming and esports. The field would be embossed with sexism, harassment, bullying,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and cultural bias. This is seen to be coupled with
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the unfounded belief that women perform worse than men in esports.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: This would lead to a reduced likelihood of entering the
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: path of becoming professional esports players and breaking through US
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: competitive players in comparison to men. Another reason could be
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: that the tendency for women to become more and more
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: engaged in gaming in esports is a development of rather
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: recent years that goes hand in hand with a general
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: societal development towards gender neutrality. Male players who are now
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: successful in esports likely started playing at a young age
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: at a time when gaming was still seen as an
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: activity mainly reserved to boys. They thus may have had
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: a head start on the way to becoming a professional player.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Right and we've talked about that before, about the fact
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: that the expectation is that boys will play video games
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: while girls played barbies in house and cook and all
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: of that, which you know, we've already talked about the
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: very specific gender road that parents may play for their children.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And it could be this conversation because esports, even though
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: it's not in my world I know, is very, very,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: very popular. They are celebrities. People who are in the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: top ten are celebrities. I know. I've seen content in
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: South Korea where they have their top players being almost
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: as big as some of K pop people, not internationally,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: but definitely nationally, and they can make a lot of money.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: For the fact that this is like that one player
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: was able to make two hundred and forty one thousand
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: dollars but is not at the top, right, that's insane. Yeah,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and that's probably without too many sponsorships either. So from
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: PocketGamer dot biz, they say a new blog post has
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: broken down the disparity in pay between male and female
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: esports players, finding that while one hundred and forty seven
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: people worldwide have become millionaires through esports, all of them
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: are men. In fact, no woman appear among the top
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: four hundred players, and again that means only one woman
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: appeared out of the top thousand players, which is insane,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: especially when we know that forty eight percent of gamers
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: are withen So, some examples of pay from different countries
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: that they give are as follows. Finland is identified as
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: the country with the greatest sparity between men and women,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: with the country's ten professional female esports players earning just
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: seven cents for every one hundred dollars that a man does,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a difference of ninety nine point ninety three percent. Over
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: a year, the average female player can earn three hundred
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: and thirty two dollars compared to the four hundred and
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: fifty nine nine hundred and twenty five dollars earned by
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: men in the same field.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: And the quote continues. While other countries pay female esports
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: players far better than others, no country comes close to
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: pay equity. Chile is identified as the country with the
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: smallest gap, with female players earning eight dollars and fifty
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: nine cents for every one hundred dollars a man makes,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: representing a disparity of ninety one point forty one percent.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Right, and then they say about the US, The United States,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: which came in tenth place, has female players earn an
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: average of three dollars and forty two cents for every
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: one hundred dollars earned by men. However, Lucidis esports scene
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: and the country means that they can earn more than
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: any other country, with an average income of twenty four thousand,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: five hundred and nine compared to the seven hundred and
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: sixteen one hundred and twenty eight for men. So obviously
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: we're talking about this as a job and career. You
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: can make some money, and it's according to whether or
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: not you have that opportunity. Once again, they talked about
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: how young boys oftentimes start earlier, but obviously I think
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: that's the we know that the times have changed. With
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the growing numbers of women in community, I.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Was gonna say, it reminds me of how we're seeing
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: older people play more games, and that's because they've had
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: games when they were younger. So hopefully we see those,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you know, numbers of women in these esports grow, because yeah,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the times are changing and young girls now are maybe
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: just as likely to get into competitive games as as
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: boys are, so you know, in some amount of time, hopefully, yeah,
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: this disparity is is way.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Better right, And I don't know with the numbers for
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: the esports specifically with the competitors, if they're adding like
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Twitch stream numbers, because we know that Twitch streamers who
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: may not be competitive get a lot of can get
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of money. We've talked about that before and
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: we've had a whole episode about Twitch, yeah, specifically in
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: those kind of platforms that allow for esports players to
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: make money and make income. So I don't know if
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that has been averaged with the competitors specifically with the
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: different levels, because we know, like there was an article
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: about FIFA who hosted an all women's World Cup of
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Esports and that was specific to try to make the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: difference in the gender gap in the sports. So there's
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: a lot to have in this conversation. Again, I think
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: we're going to come back because I do want to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: focus specifically on esports and the women in that specific.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll come.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Back to it. But with all of that, obviously there's
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: a lot to be changed. There's still a lot that
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: needs to happen with the growing community as well about
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: opening and being welcoming to all the marginalized, because we
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: haven't even stepped onto what it looks like for the
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: black community, where it looks like for the queer community,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: because there's a lot, there's a lot to unpack. Obviously,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: we talked about how they are seen at characters, which
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: is still not cute. You have sent me a recommendation,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: so let's have a Christina's corner, a gaming corner, and
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: you give us recommendations your loves, your least loved, and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: recommendations for me.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, I will fly through some of these because I
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: have some good ones. Okay, look, think the first one
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about, which yeah, I don't think
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: you were as into, but I did recommend it was
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Starting Valley. I know. Maybe you just keep trying. Actually
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: you have to keep trying. No, but I get why
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't your favorite, because there are It is
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: like a fighting game in some aspects. But yeah, for
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: anyone who doesn't know, it's a farming and dating sim
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: inspired by Harvest Moon. And that's just like a very
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: vague way to put it. There's a lot more that
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: goes to it. But yeah, you play as a farmer
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: who inherited your land from your dead grandpa, and you
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: live in this town called Sturdy Valley and basically The
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: main plot is there's two routes you can take. You
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: can either help the town return to its former glory
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: and basically run Jo Jamart at a business which is
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: their local like capitalist like Walmart type business that nobody
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: really likes that much. They're kind of the evil people.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you could either choose to get rid of
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: them or you can actually choose to like help them.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: And I like that about the game that you can
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: kind of go to evil route and it doesn't really
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: change the gameplay as much either one you choose. It
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: kind of makes it easier or harder. But I like
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: that about the game. But yeah, there's a lot that
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you can do. You you obviously, you farm, you make crops.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: You it's a dating sim like I said, so you
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: date people. It's kind of fun. And you know, people
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: in the community who play this game, they like to
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: argue like who's the best person to date? And that's
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: that's pretty fun and for anyone who's ever played it.
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: My first husband is Harvey. I recently divorced him. Yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I recently divorced him. I'm also dating everybody right now,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: which could be a problem for me if you know
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: you don't well, so yeah, I've been trying. There is
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: there's like one wizard.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Wizard, there's a wizard something like that. Unfortunately, oh well
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: that probably could turn out bad if you break up.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he has a whole plot about him.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I won't go in detail, but okay, you're not gone
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: far enoughing. I will say my partner really started really
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: getting into it. It was very excited about it, and
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: then like he lets farm die.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: That happens though, And it's cool because every so there's
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: four seasons and you have to kind of strategically plant
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: stuff and to sell it to make money and also
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: gifted to people. And that's why the game is kind
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: of fun, is that there's like a strategy to it.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: And also there's like mining and fishing and you know
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: monster killing. Yeah, mining is super fun. And I know
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: that that's probably an aspecting and like too much does it?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: It's scary.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: I couldn't get out of the house at one point, Christina,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: because I was so confused. All right, Like that was
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a whole day of like how do I get it?
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: You're you're trying to beat the clock in that game.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: There's like a that's definitely an aspect, but that is
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: is one of my favorite games there. I play on
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: the Switch and they're finally getting an update. There was
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: like a recent update that's pretty big that's coming to
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: the Switch and pferd to that playing that again. But yeah,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: that's definitely a game I recommend for anybody who's into that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So if you look it up and look at the
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: art style, some people aren't aren't into that like pixelated
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: top stuff, but I I get too. Yeah, but yeah,
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I already mentioned Minecraft. Minecraft is another game I got
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: really into when I was a teenager. And what I
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: like about is that you play with other people. Multiplayer
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: gaming is really fun to me and building stuff, building
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: passes and farms. And I played it during COVID with
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: a bunch of my friends who are all like over thirty,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: and I think that's funny and cool that like adults
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: like this game. And it was great during COVID because
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: we couldn't hang out, so we would get on a
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: voice chat and talk and build a town essentially with
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: each other. Yeah that's fun and Okay, so I have
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: two honorable mentions. I love these games. Like I said,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: the Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, awesome game.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: It's only like a year old now, but very fun.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Maybe not the coziest game, but some people tall at
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: that for some reason, that game's really cool. And as
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: somebody who never played any of the Zelda games before,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I still really liked it. And I didn't have to
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: know the lore. It definitely helps to know a little bit,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: but you learn as you you don't need to. And
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: then another game that I it's kind of funny that
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I play that. People are like, what, I don't play
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: that seriously. I got it on sale once. I think
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: it was like two dollars on Steam. But it's American
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: truck simulator. Yeah, I know that's what people say. And
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  Speaker 2: I even went as far. I thrifted a physical wheel
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  Speaker 2: that connects to the computer. So I'm like driving.
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  Speaker 1: Around and it's actually.
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  Speaker 2: Like meditative and fun and you can play with other
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: people and have like a convoy and it's just kind
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: of fun. It's it's a little challenging and it's really
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: easy to crash your truck and basically you're just it's
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: a driving simulator and your trucker and it's kind of fun.
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like I've heard of that there's a really
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: popular europe truck simulator that people have a lot a
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: lot of simulator games are pretty big, like farming simulator,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and uh, you can definitely crash, but it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: funny when you crash. It's like if you're in like
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: a convoy with people. I remember like cry laughing playing
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: this game and like pretending to be a trucker and
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  Speaker 2: like do trucker lingo and stuff, and it's and the
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: controller is funny too. I mean, you don't need that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: You can play with a keyboard, but I know it's
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: it's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only way to play.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: And the last thing I wanted to mention, which I
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: actually think I want to recommend to you. It's called Tichia.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of it? It's g c h
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  Speaker 2: I A. I think I played it on a console.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: It's it's possibly on Steam as well for PC. But
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: it's like this super fun, cute open world game where
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: you play this young girl who is uh in this
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: fictional land that is based off of New Caledonia. So
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: they do a lot of like good work about like referencing,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: you know, the natives of that of that country, of
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: that land of the land, and it's really cute. It's
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: really fun and you plays this girl who's like, I think,
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  Speaker 2: trying to save her town. And she can soul jump
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  Speaker 2: into animals, so she can like jump her soul can
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: like jump into an animal, and then you can be
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: that animal run around and you can fly around. You
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: could be like a wolf or something, or a deer.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: It's it's really a beautiful game, and it's it's there's
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: not any super crazy fighting or anything. It's it's I
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: would say a cozy game. But it is open world,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: so you have like this giant, really cool world to explore.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: And I know that the studio that developed it, the
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: founders are from New Caledonia, and they were really inspired
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: by the Kanook culture that right, and they're just the
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: indigenous Melanesian people of New Caledonia. And it's very cool
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and I really like that aspect of it, and they
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: they show that culture even though it is like a fictional,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: you know world that it's it's heavily based on this
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: on this area that I didn't know too much about before,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: and you know, it was it was so beautiful and
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: so cool, and I feel like you would like it
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: because of that, and also it is fun and cute
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: and you do play as a girl, you know, like
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: so many, like so many dames. It's it's awesome. It's touching.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I think I cried in a good way at the end,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: like it's it's it's really good. It's really touching and
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: really well made and very beautiful and easy to pick
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: up and put down. And uh yeah, to Chia, I
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: recommend that to anybody.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: To Chia and you could. You said it was on Console?
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Can I do it on Switch? Can we get it
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: on that?
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Actually? Yeah, it is on Switch and on Steam, so
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: it's available on everything.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: I'll look at it, all right. I wrote it down
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: so because that sounds awesome, I do. I love when
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: you can learn about things outside of and cute.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels very cute and informative and respectful of
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: a culture that maybe doesn't get a lot of you know,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: media recognition or stuff like that. It's really good, all right.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: But yeah, those are my games Stardo Valley, Minecraft, Selda
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: Truck Simulator, which just fun.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's tozy, I don't have to
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: borrow your wheel.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Then anytime, anytime you can borrow my wheel, that can
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: be a whole podcast. A trucker like you're a Trucker
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Doing It podcast, the.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Truck Yelling at people. I love it. I love this
• 55:15
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• 55:18
  Speaker 1: and giving us so much good insight at these amazing
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: reversations that I have written down. I just wrote them
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: down and I'm going to look into and of course
• 55:28
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• 55:31
  Speaker 1: you know I'm always down. You've given me so many
• 55:33
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• 55:35
  Speaker 1: been a minute. I'm gonna need these other suggestions as
• 55:37
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• 55:39
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