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FRIDAY NIGHT SPECIAL : Bombshell Court DNA Ruling in Rex Heuerman Serial Murder Prosecution · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's Friday night and it's time for a Friday
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  Speaker 2: Night special, and let me tell you it's special. Rex
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  Speaker 2: Huerman is accused of being the Long Island serial killer,
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  Speaker 2: and in the last days a bombshell a Gilgo Beach case.
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  Speaker 2: A bombshell blows up in the courtroom as the judge
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  Speaker 2: issues a ruling on using DNA evidence at the accused
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  Speaker 2: serial killers trial. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us. The
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  Speaker 2: judge has ruled damning DNA evidence tying Rex Huerman to
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  Speaker 2: the murders of multiple women whose remains found buried near
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  Speaker 2: Gilgo Beach lined up like a cemetery, will be allowed
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  Speaker 2: in trial. Repeat will be allowed in trial. This is
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  Speaker 2: a major ruling. This is really the only way this
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  Speaker 2: case can be proven. There are no eyewitnesses, there are
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  Speaker 2: no confessions. We need that DNA to prove this case.
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  Speaker 2: In a very brief court hearing, New York State Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court Justice Timothy Mazi rules the critical DNA evidence using
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  Speaker 2: new DNA technology will be admissible. This is a major
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  Speaker 2: blow to Hueman's defense.
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  Speaker 1: What exactly do we know about the murders.
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  Speaker 2: Rex Hureman, very well respected architect, now behind bars in
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  Speaker 2: the deaths of many women connected in time and location.
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  Speaker 1: Of them sex workers, all.
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  Speaker 2: Of them daughters, mothers, sisters, girlfriends.
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  Speaker 1: We've waited a long time for this day to come, for.
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  Speaker 2: The Long Island serial killer to be unmasked for the
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  Speaker 2: devil that he is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I see Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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  Speaker 2: and serious xem one to eleven.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: It is one of the most baffling serial murder cases
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  Speaker 3: in modern American history. Centered on this lonely stretch of
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  Speaker 3: sand on the south shore.
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  Speaker 4: Of Long Island, New York.
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  Speaker 3: Gill Go be just a small community with a big
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  Speaker 3: mystery on its hands. The bodies of fifteen brutally murdered
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  Speaker 3: young women, and there seems to be a pattern, many
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  Speaker 3: of them under five feet tall and less than one
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  Speaker 3: hundred pounds, all dumped in the surrounding dune over a
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  Speaker 3: period of twenty years.
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  Speaker 5: There's been some new developments in the Gilgo investigation. Last
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  Speaker 5: night a little bit around a thirty PM in the
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  Speaker 5: vicinity of thirty fifth and fifth Avenue in the city
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  Speaker 5: members assigned to the Gilgo Beach Task Force did place
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  Speaker 5: one individual under arrest.
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  Speaker 6: After years of searching and fear, years of true crime
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  Speaker 6: hobbyists and their theories, pres did you do it? It
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  Speaker 6: turned out the suspected Gilgo Beach killer was hiding in
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  Speaker 6: plain sight the whole time. Fifty nine year old Rex Huerman,
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  Speaker 6: a suburban husband, father of two, and cop say, is.
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  Speaker 5: A demon that walks among us, a predator that ruined families.
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  Speaker 5: If not for the members of this task force.
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  Speaker 1: He will still be on the streets today, you darn Wright.
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  Speaker 2: If not for this newly formed task force instituted by
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  Speaker 2: the new elected district Attorney, this guy would still be
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  Speaker 2: walking free. And I guarantee you would still be killing.
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  Speaker 2: And I've got facts to support that theory. You were
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  Speaker 2: just hearing our friends at Crimewatch DLA, WABC seven and
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  Speaker 2: the Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison with me an
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  Speaker 2: all star panel. But first I want to go to
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  Speaker 2: a special guest joining us, Anthony M.
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  Speaker 1: Carter.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Deputy Police Commissioner in Suffolk County. Deputy
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  Speaker 2: Commissioner Man, it's been a long time coming. I want
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  Speaker 2: to hear your reaction to the arrest of a prominent architect,
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  Speaker 2: a father husband.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of hard.
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  Speaker 2: To believe, but you guys have known for some time
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  Speaker 2: and keeping it on the down low what was happening,
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  Speaker 2: because you had intel. This guy was watching the police's
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  Speaker 2: every move. Yeah, it has.
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  Speaker 7: It's been for over a year now, something that we've
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  Speaker 7: been working on, working on tirelessly, and it really you know,
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  Speaker 7: it all began when Commissioner Harrison took office here at
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  Speaker 7: the Saffa County Police Department and one of his top
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  Speaker 7: priorities was the gilgle Beach Investigation. And he had a vision,
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  Speaker 7: as you know, the former chief of Detectives of the NYPD,
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  Speaker 7: former chief of department, and the experience that he had.
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  Speaker 7: One of the things he knew is that we needed
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  Speaker 7: to get a fresh look at case and we needed
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  Speaker 7: to get our law enforcement partners involved. And Commissioner Harrison
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  Speaker 7: created this task force called it the Gigle Beach Task Force,
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  Speaker 7: and it comprised of investigators from the State Police, the
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  Speaker 7: District Attorney's Office, the Sheriff's department.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you cut out on me right there for
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  Speaker 2: a second, but I think you said the FBI and
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  Speaker 2: in the past, before the Knee regime, there was a
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  Speaker 2: lot of resistance to bring in the FBI. But when
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  Speaker 2: you've got women dyeing and going missing and now all
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  Speaker 2: these bodies turning up unsolved, Hey, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy for all the help I can get every single day.
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  Speaker 2: So I just congratulate you and your Commissioner Harrison all
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  Speaker 2: this arrest and it was a joint effort. And I
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  Speaker 2: like that about you and your boss. You don't try
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  Speaker 2: to hog the limelight or say it's all about you.
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  Speaker 2: You really always give the credit to everyone involved.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, standing by right now, Kristin Thorn.
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  Speaker 2: Is with me, very well known investigative reporter to be
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  Speaker 2: ABC Channel seven eyewitness news host of Hulu's new crime
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  Speaker 2: show Missing Kristin.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to.
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  Speaker 2: Have you, and you have stood by you and I
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  Speaker 2: both have plotted around there at the beach looking for clues,
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  Speaker 2: trying to find answers.
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  Speaker 1: Can you believe we finally got an arrest?
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  Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you, Kristin just in time because
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  Speaker 2: this pos technical legal term was just caught on camera
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  Speaker 2: at a cell phone store paying cash from what I
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  Speaker 2: can tell for more burner phone minutes that's his MO.
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  Speaker 2: You want to tell me this guy's out of business?
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  Speaker 2: H E double Lno, he's still at it, Kristin.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, And I think that's what's really scary about
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  Speaker 8: this entire situation and why law enforcement decided it was time. Look,
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  Speaker 8: they wanted to have Maureen Brainerd Barnes included in this indictment,
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  Speaker 8: and she is absolutely mentioned in this indictment.
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  Speaker 5: Well, who whoa, whoa whoa?
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  Speaker 2: Well, hold on, lady, back it up. You're going warped
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  Speaker 2: four before we can get there. There's so many bodies.
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  Speaker 2: But you often hear of the GILG four. Correct me
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  Speaker 2: if I'm on, Kristin.
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  Speaker 9: But you are correct.
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  Speaker 2: The Gilgo four were all found in burlap bags, similarly
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  Speaker 2: bound naked, having been sex assaulted, which really links them together.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, This architect, this dad, this husband is charged
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  Speaker 2: with six counts, three murders, three felony murder charges, three
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  Speaker 2: second degree murder charges, three victims. But it's just a
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  Speaker 2: matter of days, I believe, before he's charged with the fourth.
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  Speaker 1: Then we got to deal with all the other dead bodies.
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  Speaker 1: But you refer to a woman.
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  Speaker 2: Brainerd Barnes, Marine, Brainerd Barnes, aged twenty five. He's the
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  Speaker 2: prime suspect and she's number four, and then you'll go four.
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  Speaker 2: Did I make that clear?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, yes, And so the.
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  Speaker 8: Law enforcement knew that they had to get him now
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  Speaker 8: because they were worried about what he may do next.
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  Speaker 8: What he was looking on his phone.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, creepy dude, Christin, creepy dude.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my daughter and my son, they'll see they're
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  Speaker 2: just fifteen. They'll see somebody and go, Okay, that's a
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  Speaker 2: creepy dude right there. Tell us Kristen about this creepy
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  Speaker 2: dude going up to a woman.
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  Speaker 1: In a park setting in the last.
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  Speaker 2: Couple of months and completely scheving her out.
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  Speaker 8: He was walking around and she was in the woods
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  Speaker 8: as a nice wooded park in massapeoplead Park and she
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  Speaker 8: was walking around and he, as she says, came up
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  Speaker 8: behind him and was asking about her boyfriend. And you
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  Speaker 8: know he's a very big man.
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  Speaker 11: Six'.
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  Speaker 1: Four, hey what do you put him? At Anthony?
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  Speaker 2: Carter, Guys i'm speaking To Anthony, carter but he is
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  Speaker 2: the deputy police. COMMISSIONER i, Mean i'm acting Like i'm
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  Speaker 2: sitting here having a cup of coffee with this. Guy
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  Speaker 2: he's been on this from the get, go since he
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  Speaker 2: came in and they formed a new task.
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  Speaker 1: Force how much does this guy? Way what'd you put him?
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  Speaker 1: At two? Forty, YEAH i.
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  Speaker 7: Mean he's he's a very large. INDIVIDUAL i would definitely, say,
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  Speaker 7: yeah right around, there around a two hundred and forty pound.
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  Speaker 7: Mark very just very just an, oversized you, know very
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  Speaker 7: large and you know, YEAH i MEAN i know everybody's
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  Speaker 7: seen that YouTube, video you, know and where he's towering
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  Speaker 7: over the person that's conducting the interview with.
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  Speaker 1: Him, yeah nothing like, That Doctor Bethany.
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  Speaker 2: Marshall to make your first move on a lady to
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  Speaker 2: try to get the date is to sneak up behind
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  Speaker 2: or at a park and start asking about her. Boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: it reminds me Of Brian coberger crime stories With Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Grace in the last days In New York State Supreme
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  Speaker 2: Court justice rules DAMNING DNA evid it's tying Rex hureman
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  Speaker 2: to the murders of many women whose remains were found
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  Speaker 2: Near Gilgo. Beach will come in to trial and just
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  Speaker 2: think about.
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  Speaker 1: It these are the bodies we know. About are there other?
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  Speaker 2: BODIES i would be very surprised if there were Not
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  Speaker 2: Bethany marshall with ME psychoanalystidt Of Beverly hills at Doctor
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  Speaker 2: bethymarshall dot. Com coburger will go up to women at
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  Speaker 2: bars and, go, hey what's your home address and phone?
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  Speaker 2: Number of course the women would run as if they
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  Speaker 2: had seen a monster rearing it suggly.
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  Speaker 1: Head like this.
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  Speaker 2: Guy you go up to a woman in a, park
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  Speaker 2: sneak up behind her and, go, hey who's your?
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  Speaker 1: BOYFRIEND i would run.
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  Speaker 10: Anthy what it tells me is that he was constantly
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  Speaker 10: trolling for, victims and as a part of trolling for,
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  Speaker 10: victims he had this whole list of. QUESTIONS i mean
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  Speaker 10: number one would, be, hey do you have a? Boyfriend
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  Speaker 10: who's your? Boyfriend the reason for that is who is
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  Speaker 10: he going to have to separate the woman. From does
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  Speaker 10: she have? Family does she have people who's interested in?
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  Speaker 10: Her and if, so it's going to make it more
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  Speaker 10: difficult to kidnap sex assault. Her, secondly he's looking for
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  Speaker 10: women who are quite short or petite women he can easily,
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  Speaker 10: handle easily kidnap and transport from one area to. Another
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  Speaker 10: and then he actually probably has many other aspects of
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  Speaker 10: his victim profile that are going to come out during
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  Speaker 10: the course of this, investigation especially as it pertains to
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  Speaker 10: his online. Searches maybe under h, kids twinks was one
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  Speaker 10: of the THINGS i, heard you, know, yes, hey, well what.
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  Speaker 1: Was the last thing you?
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  Speaker 2: Said?
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  Speaker 1: Twinks you need to tell everybody what that. Means.
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  Speaker 10: OKAY a twink is a young man who looks very,
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  Speaker 10: feminine usually, underweight very, small and the old fashioned word
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  Speaker 10: for them is. Twinks so that was one of his
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  Speaker 10: victim profiles that he was looking for with these kinds
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  Speaker 10: of young.
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  Speaker 2: Men, hey, guys this includes, You Kristin, Thorn Toby, Wilson Todd,
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  Speaker 2: Shipley Joe Scott, Morgan Deputy Commissioner, carter Doctor Bethany John,
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  Speaker 2: ray the lawyer for the family Of Shannon. Gilbert she
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  Speaker 2: may not be connected To, hureman we don't know that,
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  Speaker 2: yet but it's because of her that all of these
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  Speaker 2: bodies were. Found she's. Dead she was killed there On Long,
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  Speaker 2: island AND i believe it hadn't been for her body being,
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  Speaker 2: discovered we may never have found the other. Bodies that
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  Speaker 2: said everybody jump in whenever you have a, thought but
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  Speaker 2: you hear Doctor Bethany marshall correctly describing the fact of
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  Speaker 2: These google searches we have just learned.
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  Speaker 1: About the, police of course knew about it with.
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  Speaker 2: Me Todd, shipley cybercrime, expert author of Investigating internet. Crimes
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  Speaker 2: you can find them at dark intail dot. Info todd
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  Speaker 2: just follow, up please with what Doctor bethany just said
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  Speaker 2: about this guy's Perverted google. Searches i'm sure you've seen, them, right.
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  Speaker 12: SURE i think what's important is the fact that that
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  Speaker 12: was available once they identified the suspect and they were
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  Speaker 12: able to go To google and subpoena and because they
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  Speaker 12: did over three hundred subpoenas early, on so there's a
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  Speaker 12: lot of information that we still don't know about. Yet
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  Speaker 12: but once they started looking at this, guy was pretty
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  Speaker 12: evident that he was the, one because the searches were
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  Speaker 12: evident looking for information about the. Case he was trying
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  Speaker 12: to find out what the law enforcement agencies knew about
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  Speaker 12: him and what they were divulging online and how much
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  Speaker 12: information was, there and he was doing you, know his
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  Speaker 12: dating and all the other things that go along with
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  Speaker 12: what was. Happening so it was pretty, apparent you, know
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  Speaker 12: once they started looking at his, searches that this was
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  Speaker 12: a person of interest work for them And it's pretty
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  Speaker 12: telling that there's that much information about us when we
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  Speaker 12: start thinking about you, know evidence online and what we.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know what guess perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: Put but IF i were putting this to a, Jury
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  Speaker 2: i'd say something more like blonde girl crying being, raped
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  Speaker 2: black slave girl being, Raped america's five mastatorial old. T
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  Speaker 2: why Hasn't Long island serial killer been? Caught why could
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement not trace calls made By Long island serial?
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  Speaker 1: KILLER i, mean who would know to ask that.
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  Speaker 2: Particular question except for The Long island serial killer. EXACTLY
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  Speaker 2: i mean WHEN i would think about The Long island serial,
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  Speaker 2: KILLER i would have so many, thoughts so many. Questions
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  Speaker 2: BUT i didn't know at the time because people Like
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  Speaker 2: Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter kept it so secret as he should.
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  Speaker 2: HAVE i didn't know about the use of burner. Phones
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  Speaker 2: well somebody. Did this guy was looking up why can't
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  Speaker 2: they trace his burner?
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  Speaker 1: Phones?
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  Speaker 12: NO i mean that's specifically what they ended up doing
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  Speaker 12: is if you look at how they started pieces, together
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  Speaker 12: which was brilliant by the agents that were involved and.
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  Speaker 12: Officers they started to find those pieces and they started
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  Speaker 12: to relate to proving the negative who was around those
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  Speaker 12: burner phones when they had the geolocations that they had
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  Speaker 12: from ten years, ago and so the fact they went
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  Speaker 12: back and looked at all that evidence and started to
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  Speaker 12: prove that the target was close, by you, know those
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  Speaker 12: same phone, calls was a brilliant move to prove that
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  Speaker 12: he did. It and then they were able to go
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  Speaker 12: back after you, know his phones himself and starting to
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  Speaker 12: look at what's. There, now what's going to be interesting
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  Speaker 12: too is the digital evedents that they find in the
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  Speaker 12: search of his. HOUSE i can't wait to see what
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  Speaker 12: they found in his computer because that's going to be telling.
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  Speaker 2: Too other, searches AND i want to go To John,
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  Speaker 2: ray the family lawyer for Victim Shannon. GILBERT i know
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  Speaker 2: That shannon's family has been, tortured especially when they see
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  Speaker 2: this guy's, searches which say things like blonde haired, girl,
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  Speaker 2: young depressed teen, girl oiled, bodies nude slave. GIRLS i
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: had to leave out some of this because EVEN i
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say it blank shot and, crying porn, girl, hogtied torture,
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  Speaker 2: porn skinny, redhead tied up, porn, short fat, girl tied, up,
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  Speaker 2: porn tied up and, raped porn as Doctor bethany poor
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  Speaker 2: in it, Out asian, twink tied, up, porn tied slave force, Feday.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna finish that.
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  Speaker 2: ONE i, mean teen girl begging for, rape, porn pretty
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  Speaker 2: girl with bruised, face. Porn my mouth feels. FILTHY i
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  Speaker 2: need to go wash it out with. Soap this was
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  Speaker 2: what is.
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  Speaker 1: On His google. Searches John.
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  Speaker 2: Ray Now shannon's family has to read this and only
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  Speaker 2: imagine What shannon may have or the other victims put up,
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  Speaker 2: with what they, endured what they lived through before they.
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  Speaker 1: DIED i want to.
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  Speaker 11: VOMIT i can plame, everybody DOES i think this, monster
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  Speaker 11: this giant, monster WHO i characterize As Tyrannosaurus, rex his
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  Speaker 11: image is now frozen in the minds of The gilbert.
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  Speaker 11: Family AND i also Represent Jessica taylor's family and the
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  Speaker 11: Same they have the same.
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  Speaker 2: Reaction twenty year Old Jessica taylor also found there along the.
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  Speaker 11: Beach go, ahead, Yeah and these families haven't this image
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  Speaker 11: now that's frozen in their, mind that he is a.
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  Speaker 11: Killer there's no way to be sure that he had
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  Speaker 11: anything to do With Shannon gilbert at this. Point we're
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  Speaker 11: looking hard at. That but as we, speak but you,
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  Speaker 11: know just the image itself of what, happened and when
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  Speaker 11: you take what we do know of what happened To
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  Speaker 11: shannon that the, night that early morning that she, disappeared
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  Speaker 11: we know that she was under a threat from somebody like,
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  Speaker 11: him either he himself or somebody like, him and there
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  Speaker 11: is probably more than one of.
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  Speaker 4: Them but.
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  Speaker 11: We're still very optimistic now and delighted That Ray tiern
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  Speaker 11: needed a district attorney And Rodney, harrison the police, commissioner
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  Speaker 11: finally may put together the agencies that weren't working together
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  Speaker 11: so that this can be. Done so we're looking. Forward
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  Speaker 11: we think that is a really good chance That Taranosaurus
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  Speaker 11: rex killed the others as, well because he was a,
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  Speaker 11: hunter and, hunters he was a proficient. Hunter they have
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  Speaker 11: tools and they take apart their, animals so he's certainly
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  Speaker 11: capable of having dismembered these others that are.
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  Speaker 9: There, so of.
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  Speaker 2: Course and you know another, Issue Kristin thorn joining, me
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  Speaker 2: investigative reporter to THE abc star Of hulu's true crime,
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  Speaker 2: Show Missing. Kristin just because he ran out of burrow at, Bags,
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  Speaker 2: okay that does not mean he's not connected to all
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  Speaker 2: the other. Bodies And i'm telling, You, kristin there are more.
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  Speaker 2: Victims there are more, victims.
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  Speaker 1: You, Know.
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  Speaker 8: NANCY i think what concerns me and what has kept
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: me up at night the last few day since this,
• 20:00
  Speaker 8: happened is not, necessarily of, course the remains that are
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: still left to the six other remains there Along Ocean
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: parkway On Long, Island but it's the women we haven't
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: heard about, yet, Right, so in some of the Cases
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: i've covered in my, SHOW i had some, concerns AND
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: i do hope that they will be using some of
• 20:18
  Speaker 8: THE dna evidence that they have to look at some
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: of these other women who have disappeared in The Tri state,
• 20:25
  Speaker 8: area WHO i believe in their family believes were victims of,
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: violence one in, particular who was worked in the same
• 20:33
  Speaker 8: line of work as the other. Women and so that's
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: what concerns. Me who is out there the women or anybody,
• 20:40
  Speaker 8: else because we haven't yet identified his, profile right we
• 20:43
  Speaker 8: know about The Gilg, war but we don't know who
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: else he may have been interested in killing or where
• 20:49
  Speaker 8: his interest quote unquote.
• 20:52
  Speaker 9: Lie CAN i make a.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Comment about, that, Yeah, Japan BUT i need to go
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: To Anthony carter about what they're doing right. Now hold
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: on just a, Moment Deputy Commissioner, CARTER i pray To
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: god In heaven that this new task, force And i'm
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: sure you're not going to tell, me is comparing HIS
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: dna to every OTHER dna that's been found in let's
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: just say The Tri state, area because once these bodies were,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: discovered you, know he found another dumping, ground all, right
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: comparing HIS dna looking at who Else he's been calling
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: on his, many, many many burner phones and figuring out
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: where he was seen in That chevy, avalanche WHICH i
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: want to ask, You Deputy. COMMISSIONER i happen to know
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: that the avalanche discontinued manufacturer in twenty. Thirteen yet here's
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: an avalanche part outside his, PLACE i believe a relative's.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Place an avalanche was seen at one of the victims'.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Homes let me THINK i believe it Was Amber. Costello
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: long story.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: SHORT i can go on and on and on About,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: wow here's the avalanche part outside his, home a few
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: miles away from where the bodies are, found and a
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: witness place is an avalanche at one of the victims'.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Homes how come it took so? Long but that is
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: something for me to chew apart on another. Day JUST
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: i want to know that HIS dna is being compared
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: to OTHER, dna especially in That tri state.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: Area, no and that's a great that's a great. Question
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: and the one thing that maybe some some out there
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: may think that you, know the arrest was, made we
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: arrested this subject that the task force has you, know
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: concluded their investigation and is going to go ahead and
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: just look At. Rex the the, investigation the task force
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: is going to remain intact and they are going to
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: continue gathering evidence in both With rex and The Go
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: Go beach investigation is far from Overt And, Okay i'm going.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: To take that as a. Yes even though you're not saying,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yes i'm taking.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: It as a.
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: Yes you say to examine every piece of. Evidence that's, right,
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: though absolutely.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Speaking of every piece of, evidence let's take a look at.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: It we can talk about them that all the women,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: work many of them contacted On. Craigslist they were sex.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Workers they were found dead in the same. Way physical
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: similarities all these four putt In burlett bags disposed of
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: on a lonely stretch of beach about twenty plus minutes
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: away from his home At Massapaker. Park but what about
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: the evidence the heart Evidents take a listen to our
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: cut three g our friends AT abc.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: Seven prosecutors say the smoking gun was a pizza. Crust
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: police dug Through hureman's, trash MATCHING dna from a partially
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: eaten slice to previously unidentified hairs found on three of
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: The gilgo. Victims today they Booked heureman on murder, chargers
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: accused in the deaths Of Melissa, barthell Me Megan, waterman
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: And Amber Lynn. Costello and he's a prime suspect in
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: the death of a fourth, Marine Brainerd.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Barnes, okay let's talk about the HARD dna.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Evidence evidence from a.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Hair one of those hairs was found at the bottom
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of one of the burlat bags that one of the
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: victims were discarded.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: In, also, apparently and correct me If i'm, wrong jump.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: On At Kirsten, thorn three victims had the defendant's wife's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: hair on, them obviously a transfer from her to him
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: and from him onto the. Victim so that's at least
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: four pieces.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: OF dna that we know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Of then one of the victims was tied up with
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: a leather, belt hopefully MAYBE dna TOUCH dna was taken
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: off of.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: That AM i missing ANY? Dna, Kristen, no that sounds,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Okay that is absolutely.
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: Correct BUT i would love to talk about the wife's.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Hair, sure Because i've got a professor of forensics with
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: me and a for forensic consultant specializing IN dna waiting
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to jump on this because this this is going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: get him in addition to all of the circumstantial. Evidence tell, Me, kristen.
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: Here's my, question AND i would love to hear from, You,
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: nancy and from your experts to, me finding the wife's
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: hair on one victim would have been interesting to find
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: it on. Three i'm trying to, actually you, know when
• 25:36
  Speaker 8: you try to, think.
• 25:37
  Speaker 10: How does this?
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: Happen how does the wife's hair end up on it each?
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: Time and, AGAIN i am not implying anything about. Her
• 25:49
  Speaker 8: i'm trying to actually go through how this. Happened does
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: anybody have any thoughts on?
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: THAT i got a, thought But i'll bring in the
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: experts a. Transfer just like.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Just a few minutes, ago right before we went to,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: air my co Worker sydney handed me a big stack
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: of papers to go through about three minutes before we,
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: started and she leaned over me with her long blonde
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: hair AND i. TURNED i guarantee you some piece of
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: hair or some something brushed up against my jacket and it's.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: There. Okay you know who loves talking about. This Joe Scott.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Morgan he loves what's Your you have some quote you
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: always start?
• 26:30
  Speaker 10: With?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Why, Okay i'll let you tell.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: It Joe Scott morgan with me professor friends As Jacksonville State,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: university And i've got to tell You i've been to
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: their crim pro building and.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Facilities that's an incredible.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Program Joe, scott author Of Blood Beneath My feet and
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: host of a hit Series Body, bags With Joe Scott,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: morgan go, Ahead no action doesn't leave the?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Trays, well, la la. La what's the rest of?
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: That the cards, principle every contact leaves a, trace and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: it's it is a cornerstone that we work from in,
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: forensics and it's that axiom is over one hundred years
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: old and it still.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Applies tell, It Joe, scott preach. It preach, it, father
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: because this tie is.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Going down because of THIS. Dna and WHEN i.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: Think of these computer, searches at him acting out those, horrible,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: horrible evil computer, searches all these ladies to hell with. Him,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: NOW i got to figure out a way to prove.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: It hit.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: It let me give you a hellscape, here AND i
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: think that it exists in that. House and this is
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: my supposition. Here you, know we were speaking just a
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: moment ago about the transfer of the wife's. Hair you
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: know you Mentioned sydney in the. Studio what space do
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: you guys, share probably on a daily basis when you're
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: laying down sound it's in that, studio, Okay so within
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: that environment you kind of coexist in that. ENVIRONMENT i
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: am very, Curious, nancy relative to the accused where any
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: of these victims brought back to this.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Home that's such a good, Idea Joe, scott because you
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Remember Joe scott many of these and jump In Anthony,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: Carter Deputy, commissioner And Kristen thorn because you may know
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: better Than Joe scott AND i many of these murders
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: occurred while his wife was, gone and she has very distinct.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Hair she Is, icelandic so HER dna is going to
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: be very.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Identifiable and this is MITOCHONDRIAL, dna which comes from your mother.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Only so anybody jump in with a thought In, BETHANY
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: i Promise i'm circling.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Back this Is.
• 28:39
  Speaker 9: Toby first of, all the HAIR i was A freensic
• 28:44
  Speaker 9: hair examiner for a share. Time, also the average person
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: that has hair loses about one hundred hairs at a day,
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: Randomly so the hair connection on just the one pert
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: victim would be, coincident could be yelled called. Incidents on three,
• 29:00
  Speaker 9: victims it becomes more of a. Pattern but the locations
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: of the hair is because of. That if she rode
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: in the, avalanche if it was on his, clothing if
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: he took any of the victims, home all those are
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: reasonable explanations for where the hair is that THE dna
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: was done on came from because of the fact that
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: we lose hair so, easily so that, connection you, know
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: is more open to. Interpretation where you come, from it's
• 29:33
  Speaker 9: very probable because he transported, them or may have transported
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: them in the, avalanche that the hairs were on him
• 29:40
  Speaker 9: or in that vehicle and that's where the transfer. Occurred
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: or if the you, know if the fur loot bags
• 29:46
  Speaker 9: came from his, home they could have been transferred. There
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: but hair transfers are a common, thing and you know
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: there it makes it harder to interpret what's going. On
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: because of how common it.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Is BUT i agree with.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: You you're Hearing Toby wolves and forends that consult at
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: specializing IN dna erology bloodstain at No Slow forensic Dot. Com,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: well he's, right of, Course Joe Scott. Morgan but three,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: hairs As Kristen thorn pointed, out each one on a different.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: VICTIM i want to explore your theory that these victims
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: may have been taken to his. HOME i, mean when
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: you've got three hairs on three different, victims the only
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: thing the defense can do now is AN aja defense
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: it was. PLANTED i, mean let me hear your, Theory Joe.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Scott, well this.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Is one thing That i'm very encouraged by and that
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: thieves folks are, doing is THAT i saw these images
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: on the news of the, police the investigators going in
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: and out of that home And. NANCY i hope they
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: retain this place and take it down to the damn,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: studs that everything that they can harvest out of that
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: environment from an evidentiary standpoint is to be. Acquired here's
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: one more, thing And i'll be.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: QUIET i don't want you to be. QUIET i love
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: everything you're.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Saying it's something that really sent a chill up up my.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: Spine and maybe it's, maybe maybe it's a wild goose,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: chase but this one. VICTIM i was looking at this
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: charging document that's mentioned The Mari Miss Marine Brainer, barnes
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: and one thing that kind of sent a chill up
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: my spine was that this burner phone that the accused,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: had or that he is alleged to have, had had
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: contacts With marine's phone sixteen Times nancy over a period
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: of time From july to sixth Or july the. Ninth,
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: okay they have her phone finally dropping off the face
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: for a, while and there's like a couple of days
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: lag in. There but then here's the chilling. Part he
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: apparently the perpetrator opened her phone up again and began
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: to check her. Messages let me ask you, Something, nancy
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: would you just blindly give without any kind of fighting.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Back would you give somebody the code to your cell
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: phone to check your? MESSAGES i, MEAN i KNOW i.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: WOULDN'T i don't know about the other folks on the,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Panel but how did he get that information from her
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: in order to get in to her voicemail to check?
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: It if that is? True what they're a legend and
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: that to me is. Chilling that to me shows that
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: he may have been in control of that person in.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Particular about the rest of, THEM i have no.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Idea, well all you've got to do is look at
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: His google Searches Joe scott and figure AND i can tell.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: YOU i mean he looks up a hog time raping.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Woman obviously he is fixated on. TORTURE i, Mean Dr Bethany,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: marshall you don't see that kind Of google search every.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Day And i've looked at plenty of people's computers in their.
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: Searches you, know absolutely. Not and to frame our, discussion
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: if you think of this guy as a combination of
• 33:05
  Speaker 10: an obsessive sex addict who thrives off power and inflicting
• 33:11
  Speaker 10: pain in order to enhance his sexual, arousal his victim
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: profile is going to keep changing if he goes to
• 33:21
  Speaker 10: more and more extreme types of pornography and more different
• 33:25
  Speaker 10: types of victims in order to enhance his sexual. Arousal
• 33:29
  Speaker 10: so maybe he starts with someone with it in his own,
• 33:31
  Speaker 10: race an age. Mate then he goes to a younger,
• 33:35
  Speaker 10: person than a smaller, person than a bigger, person than a,
• 33:37
  Speaker 10: man than a, woman than a, child and SO i
• 33:40
  Speaker 10: think that the complication and why the investigation is going
• 33:44
  Speaker 10: to have to focus so much on the data and
• 33:47
  Speaker 10: the science is this guy is going to find anything
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: in order to increase his sexual, arousal and not just
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: finding different, victims but stocking, them toying with, them perhaps
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: taking them back to his. House this is not a
• 34:06
  Speaker 10: one and done kind of guy where maybe someone looks at, pornography,
• 34:10
  Speaker 10: masturbates closes the. Computer this is a guy who's going
• 34:14
  Speaker 10: to get as much sexual satisfaction out of any one
• 34:17
  Speaker 10: victim as. Possible so it's multiple assaults against one victim
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: over an extended period.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Of, time which goes back To Joe Scott morgan's theory
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: that some of the victims may have been taken to
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: the home because an extended period of time assault probably
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: would not take place in a. Vehicle The Chevy avalanche.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Crime stories With Nancy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Grace this BOMBSHELL dna ruling comes after a series of
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: fry hearings where the state and the defense argued over
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: a new method of ANALYZING dna used to Link, hureman
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: the architect and married, father to the murders of seven.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Women it's an advanced NUCLEAR dna test carried out by
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: A california based, Lab Astrio, forensics and it identified hairs
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: on six of the seven victims as belonging To hureman's
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: now ex, Wife Asa, ellerup their Daughter Victoria, hueman and
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: another person connected to the suspected serial. Killer the defense
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: argued the technique should be excluded because it had never
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: been used In New. York the state, responded is being
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: used widely across our. Country maybe not here In New,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: york but all across the. Country it's been used and
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: it is accepted by the scientific. Community of, Course huremans
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: sat there and gave no. REACTION i wonder if while
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: the defense and prosecution argue ABOUT dna evidence found on the,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: bodies if he's actually thinking about the bodies and how
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: they got buried At Gilgo. Beach Deputy, COMMISSIONER i don't
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: know if you can comment on, this but can you
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: describe how HIS.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Dna was obtained off a pizza crust during?
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: Surveillance you, know he was being observed and there was
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: an opportunity where he had discarded A i guess like
• 36:33
  Speaker 7: a small personal pizza box into a garbage in the,
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: city and our undercovers were able to retrieve that, box
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: and just to go back on a point to you,
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: know whether you know his home may have been involved
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: in the location of the. Homicides the one thing that
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: we can say is that it's not a coincidence that
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: his wife and family were away in three of the.
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: Murders and we're taking you, know LIKE i, said active.
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: Investigation we're at the. HOME i think somebody had mentioned
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: on the call here that we're taking the. House we
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: should take the, house AND i think that is the
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: plan to get every piece of evidence that we can
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: possibly get while we're inside of that home with.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Me Deputy Commissioner Anthony carter From Suffolk County, POLICE.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I had to tell you, Something Deputy.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Commissioner i'm the first one to scream when police screw
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: up an investigation because it hurts me as a former
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: prosecutor and a crime victim. Myself BUT i am so
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: impressed with your surveillance of, hereman your identification of. HIM
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: i know it's been a long time, coming but this
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: is a FRESH humma side task. Force this is a
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: whole new look because this case was ignored by prior.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Administrations you guys come in there like a barn on.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Fire you find this, guy you surveil, him you really
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: look at the. Evidence then you catch him discarding a
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: pizza crust and get HIS dna which matches up to OTHER.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Dna you get his WIFE'S. Dna do we have any?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Idea can you comment on how you did? That Deputy?
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: Commissioner so the, same you, know same methodology in trying
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: to obtain abandon. Examples you, know very similar fashion where
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: we were able to obtain recycled cans from their, look you,
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: know from where they.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Live so that's how you got the WIFE'S. Dna that's.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Correct, wow there's so MUCH i hardly know which way to.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Go but let me understand, Something Kristin. Thorne anybody on
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: the panel and knows the answer to this the Way
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: i'm reading the affidavit and other, information was this idiot
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: actually traveling with a burner phone and his own private
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: mobile phone together Like. Kyburger you know you can see
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: him traveling away from the crime.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Scene did that? Happen does anybody? Know, well we know that.
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: They certainly there. Are they certainly tracked the burner phones
• 39:24
  Speaker 8: relationship and location Near Massapequa park as well as his midcount,
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: office and they called that the. Box that was the
• 39:34
  Speaker 8: point that they used to.
• 39:35
  Speaker 13: Triangulate although in that word it would be three, sides
• 39:39
  Speaker 13: but the box would be four to really you, know
• 39:42
  Speaker 13: pinpoint that his, locations where he, was where he, lives
• 39:47
  Speaker 13: where he, worked were also coordinating with the hits from
• 39:51
  Speaker 13: these burner.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Phones, okay break that down, too regular people.
• 39:54
  Speaker 12: Talk this is Todd SO i think what significance is
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  Speaker 12: what you're, saying and what they alleged in the core
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  Speaker 12: documents is that they found no instance where the suspect
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  Speaker 12: was in a separate location from the other cell phones
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  Speaker 12: when the communications occurred when he was talking to them
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  Speaker 12: from the burner, phones and so at that significant that
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  Speaker 12: they tied them together from Those hoteller, records that his
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  Speaker 12: phone was there and the burner phone was. There in
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  Speaker 12: instances outside of the, calls his, phone you, know was not.
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  Speaker 12: There so it's pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Significant, okay that is entirely significant To anthony Carter, fly police.
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  Speaker 1: Commissioner what do you make of that?
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  Speaker 7: Theory, so you, KNOW i think when we talk about
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  Speaker 7: some of the locations that we talked, about you, know
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  Speaker 7: the burner phones versus his, phone and trying to tie
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  Speaker 7: that all, IN i think it was you, know it
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  Speaker 7: was challenging because we, look we're looking in an area
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  Speaker 7: of over fifteen hundred homes that also included a portion
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  Speaker 7: of The Massapeaker, preserve and that also then opens up
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  Speaker 7: which are hitting those cell towers to people that may
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  Speaker 7: or may not even live In, massapequa may or may
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  Speaker 7: not even live IN Nasa. County SO i mean that
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  Speaker 7: is one of the things behind the exhaustive effort committed
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  Speaker 7: by the members and the Task force to try to
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  Speaker 7: drill down and get the right information and the right
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  Speaker 7: evidence to you, know move us forward in the.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Case Christen thorn W Abc channel, seven what can you
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  Speaker 2: tell me about recent revelations of a storage unit a?
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  Speaker 10: Search so we know that.
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  Speaker 8: There's an active investigation right now around a storage unit
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  Speaker 8: On Long, island and for all we know and we
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  Speaker 8: believe that it is connected to this. Investigation you, KNOW
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: i think what they're going to be looking. For AND
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  Speaker 8: i also noticed in the indictment and we talk about
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  Speaker 8: his house and how they do need to and are
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: going to tear apart that, house there were items missing
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  Speaker 8: from the, victims so, jewelry some pieces of, clothes those
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  Speaker 8: are things that would probably be familiar to the family
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  Speaker 8: that the family told them she used to always wear this,
• 42:05
  Speaker 8: necklace this. Bracelet that's very common we, find and so
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  Speaker 8: those things were, missing and so those are the things
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  Speaker 8: that they're going to be looking for in the house
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  Speaker 8: and in this potential storage.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Unit this is rapidly, developing but for right, Now Asa,
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  Speaker 2: ellerup the ex, wife continues to Insist hueman her husband is.
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  Speaker 2: Innocent she sat in the public, gallery flanked by her
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  Speaker 2: own fleet of attorneys and quickly flounced out of the
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: courtroom when the hearing came to an. End the daughter
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Of victoria was. Absent now remember some of her hairs
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  Speaker 2: that are found on the dead. Bodies wonder how that went.
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  Speaker 2: Down who wants to know their hair is on multiple
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: dead bodies buried On Gilgo. Beach in a linking Rex
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  Speaker 2: hueman to the dead bodies At Gilgo, beach seven dead
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  Speaker 2: bodies that we know of will be. Allowed, interesting it's
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: not his, hair it's his wife and his daughter's hair
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  Speaker 2: found on the dead. Bodies that tells me a. Lot
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  Speaker 2: that tells me the women were there in the, home
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  Speaker 2: possibly when they were raped and murdered or stored there
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  Speaker 2: before they were. Disposed this is a major bombshell for
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: the state in this, case a major ruling for the.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: State can the state prove the? Case will THE dna be?
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  Speaker 2: Enough the staggering number of bodies found is going to
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: overwhelm any.
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  Speaker 1: Jurar but it's the, truth and you cannot hide the
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  Speaker 1: truth from a. Jury we wait as justice.
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  Speaker 2: Unfolds goodbye, friend