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- 0:06Welcome to the lean out podcast.
- 0:08I'm your host, Dr.
- 0:09Don baker.
- 0:10Are you looking for a new approach to finding authentic and sustainable work-life balance?
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- 0:16For inspiration.
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- 0:19community.
- 0:19of like-minded.
- 0:20Professionals.
- 0:21Let's get to the show.
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- 0:29Hello.
- 0:29Thanks for being here.
- 0:31I just realized that amazingly the are less than a hundred days left in this year.
- 0:36What have you been wanting to do that?
- 0:38You haven't started yet?
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- 0:43If you need that nudge to take your work life balance in a different direction.
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- 1:03In this solo cast episode, I'm sharing my most favorite chapter of lean out a professional woman's guide to finding authentic work-life balance.
- 1:11This is chapter five, titled stepping off the treadmill.
- 1:15This is the chapter where the book takes a turn from criticizing the lean in culture and setting up the current problems faced by women and high octane professions.
- 1:24It acknowledges that the system is broken.
- 1:27But stresses that you have the power to make changes instead of waiting for a slow evolution of culture.
- 1:33Chapter five also addresses many of the common belief systems that hold us back from leaning out right now.
- 1:40When you understand these and recognize your own patterns in them, you can then do the work to cultivate the confidence and vision for your lean out journey.
- 1:49As a primer to this episode and the reading of the chapter I'm going to read the sidebar.
- 1:54That is included on page 47.
- 1:56It's called the truths of the treadmill.
- 1:59Number one.
- 2:00Even though it costs a lot to replace you.
- 2:02You are easily replaceable.
- 2:05Number two.
- 2:06There is no loyalty in the workplace.
- 2:09Number three.
- 2:10You are not a savior, your clients and patients will be okay without you.
- 2:16Number four.
- 2:17Many people are worried about what others think of them, but most of the time people are too busy thinking about themselves.
- 2:24Number five.
- 2:25You can have allegiance to your clients and patients, and also to yourself at the same time.
- 2:31What do you think of these?
- 2:32Are these truth bombs or am I completely off the mark?
- 2:36Share your thoughts by sending me a DM on Instagram or leaving a comment on the post associated with this episode@practicebalance.com.
- 2:44And now for the chapter.
- 2:48Chapter 5.
- 2:50Stepping off the treadmill.
- 2:52You do well, and people give you praise, and you want to continue doing well.
- 2:57But I hadn't asked myself the why, and really developed a sense of self worth and self love, independent of those achievements.
- 3:04Physician and CrossFit champion, Julie Fouché.
- 3:09In Lean In, Sheryl Sandberg mentions seeing women leaning back at the boardroom table, as if to say, I'm not sure I want to commit at this level, or I'm not cut out for being at the table.
- 3:21She tells women that the time to pay attention to work life balance is when something happens or when a child is born.
- 3:27I propose that time is now.
- 3:30You do not want to get to a point when, as she says, a break is needed.
- 3:34Because most likely you'll be suffering with one of the costs mentioned earlier.
- 3:39It is not lazy, irresponsible, nor unprofessional to consider and possibly give up your position on the treadmill of achievement.
- 3:48On the contrary, cultivating self awareness and making needed changes to your work life balance is the most responsible thing you can do.
- 3:55For yourself, for your family, and for your patients and clients.
- 4:00It takes courage to step off the familiar treadmill and onto an unworn, unconventional path.
- 4:06To your own fulfillment.
- 4:08This is not about leaning back.
- 4:10It's about leaning out.
- 4:13Women are particularly susceptible to the trappings of the treadmill of achievement.
- 4:17Women consistently score higher than men on the trade of agreeableness and psychological testing.
- 4:23They often have a difficult time rocking the boat and tend to lean toward maintaining cooperation and harmony.
- 4:30As Sheryl Sandberg pointed out in lean in women are on average, less confident in their abilities.
- 4:36Especially those that confer adaptability and innovation.
- 4:40In her mind, women tend to lean back instead of taking on a big project or speaking up about a promotion, and thus they do not end up on the path to coveted leadership roles.
- 4:51In my mind, this is not the issue.
- 4:53Yes, women frequently lack the self confidence to ask for exactly what they want.
- 4:58The problem is, in many cases, they don't even know what they want because they've been keeping their heads down on the treadmill, doing the work, and watching their feet pound the treads.
- 5:07All the while absorbing outside messages about what they think they should want.
- 5:13Truths of the treadmill.
- 5:15Even though it costs a lot to replace you, you are easily replaceable.
- 5:20There is no loyalty in the workplace.
- 5:23You are not a savior.
- 5:25Your clients and patients will be okay without you.
- 5:29Many people are worried about what others think of them, but most of the time people are too busy thinking about themselves.
- 5:37You can have allegiance to your clients and patients, and also to yourself, at the same time.
- 5:43What's keeping you from leaning out?
- 5:46The momentum of the treadmill is so strong, it can feel daunting to think about taking that first step onto solid ground.
- 5:54Why might you not feel so courageous to ask for a unique work schedule?
- 5:58To take an unexpected career turn?
- 6:00Or to say no to increased responsibilities?
- 6:03Here are some common thoughts and feelings that might be causing you to refrain from leaning out.
- 6:08By identifying which ones apply to your situation, you will learn to separate the truth from the fiction.
- 6:15Fixed Mindset I grew up thinking that all my personality traits were set in stone.
- 6:22I was smart, good at English, and I loved art and music.
- 6:26On the flip side, I was decidedly not outdoorsy, rugged, nor strong.
- 6:31Yet somehow I ended up rock climbing, living on the road, and pursuing scientific career paths.
- 6:36Fixed Mindset My choices defied so many of the things I had been told in those early adult years by my parents, my teachers, other people, and even me about who I was.
- 6:47I ended up accidentally proving the tenets of what psychologist and researcher Carol Dweck refers to as the growth mindset.
- 6:55People who have a growth mindset view weaknesses, challenges, and setbacks as opportunities to learn.
- 7:02They realize they can change their circumstances with persistence, new learning, and hard work.
- 7:07People who continue with a fixed mindset do not open themselves to the possibilities outside their comfort zones.
- 7:15Neuroplasticity research has shown that our brains can rearrange their well worn circuitry of thinking to form new pathways.
- 7:23We can learn new skills, take new paths, and adapt to change.
- 7:28When you embrace a growth mindset, you release limiting beliefs about what you can and can't do.
- 7:34Suddenly, all the things you've written off about your work or life situation seem possible.
- 7:40Victim Mindset As an extension of the fixed mindset, you might see yourself as a victim of your circumstances.
- 7:48This results in a feeling of powerlessness.
- 7:51In the burnout realm, there is a lot of talk about moral injury.
- 7:55The system is broken and there is evidence of it everywhere.
- 7:59A study of primary care physicians found that to provide adequate preventative and chronic disease care based on payer standards, doctors would need 27 hours per day.
- 8:10High workplace demands with low resources in a toxic culture of favoritism and non transparency have been described commonly in law firms.
- 8:20While these problems should not be diminished, there exists a duality.
- 8:25Systems and organizations will need to change.
- 8:27An increased awareness of the costs of this culture is helping.
- 8:31You cannot control the speed at which the change takes place, but you can control your thoughts, feelings, and actions.
- 8:39You don't have to wait for things at work to get better.
- 8:42The change must come from within you.
- 8:45Doubt.
- 8:47Doubt in your abilities you Whether they be work related skills or other abilities such as negotiation, leadership, or entrepreneurial prowess might be keeping you from leaning out.
- 8:59These feelings are very common, especially for high achievers.
- 9:03Imposter syndrome, a condition where self doubt is amplified to the point of feeling fraudulent, has been reported as high as 70 percent among doctors and lawyers in multiple studies.
- 9:15Recognize that you are not alone.
- 9:17Famous performers, notably Barbra Streisand, Tom Hanks, and Maya Angelou, expressed feeling like an imposter.
- 9:25The rise of the internet and social media has given us access to more information and resources for skills acquisition than ever before.
- 9:33A regular person could actually learn to perform like the ranks of those mentioned above.
- 9:39The beauty of this is that, as summarized by creative entrepreneur Chase Jarvis, No one cares about your pedigree anymore.
- 9:47What was considered standard for our parents is no longer a reality, he said.
- 9:52You have every right to be where you are now, and you can do anything you want with the skills you've acquired.
- 9:58The sky's the limit.
- 10:00Remind yourself of your many amazing accomplishments.
- 10:03Revisit your photo archive, journals, resume, CV, and brag sheets to jog your memory.
- 10:10Reframe the doubts that show up in your head by employing a growth mindset, as above.
- 10:15Maybe you haven't mastered that specific skill.
- 10:18Yet.
- 10:20Worry.
- 10:21Maybe what you want deep down is something entirely different than what you're doing now.
- 10:26Are you thinking about a job change?
- 10:27A deep cut to your hours?
- 10:29Starting your own business, or maybe even a radical shift in your career?
- 10:34You might be worried about things like what your co workers, friends, or family will think about it.
- 10:40One of my favorite internet memes says, Stop worrying about other people liking you.
- 10:45Most people don't even like themselves.
- 10:47Interestingly, research on what is called the beautiful mess effect reveals that when people show vulnerability in asking for help or other scenarios, they are viewed by others in a more positive light.
- 10:59It's difficult for many of us to accept, but here is one truth.
- 11:04What other people think does not matter.
- 11:07And even that is questionable because the other people are likely not even having thoughts about you.
- 11:13The only opinion that matters is your own.
- 11:16Write that down.
- 11:17Say it to yourself over and over again.
- 11:21Another common worry is about money.
- 11:23How can I afford to make a big change?
- 11:26Don't let a lack of planning up until this moment deter you.
- 11:30Think of the associated non monetary costs.
- 11:33What if continuing in your current situation causes you health problems, family issues, or a divorce?
- 11:39Being that you're a high achiever, here is another tactic.
- 11:42Start saving money now.
- 11:44Do whatever you can.
- 11:46Open a separate account, cut back on one expense, and earmark that unspent cash for your emergency fund, etc.
- 11:53There will never be a perfect time when you feel financially secure enough to make a big switch in your career, but having taken some proactive steps will give you the confidence that you're on the right track.
- 12:06Brene Brown, PhD, defines worry as the thinking part of anxiety.
- 12:10the negative thoughts about bad things that might happen in the future.
- 12:14As such, you can train your brain to bring yourself back to the present moment and out of the doom and gloom future.
- 12:20We'll talk more about simple mindfulness techniques in chapter 9.
- 12:25Fear.
- 12:27Evolutionarily, fear is a swift, present moment emotion that protects us from physical harm.
- 12:33If you feel paralyzed by fear of leaning out, question what you're really most afraid of.
- 12:38If you're Likely it's not impending harm.
- 12:41What you're probably feeling is anxiety and vulnerability at the idea of exposing your authentic self and your true desires.
- 12:49In The Atlas of the Heart, Dr.
- 12:51Brown also discusses how anxiety and excitement register similarly in the brain.
- 12:57Perhaps what you're feeling can be reframed in a positive light.
- 13:01In high achieving professions with so many tests and hoops that must be jumped through, we've been conditioned to fear failure.
- 13:09Failure doesn't have to be a bad thing.
- 13:11It's an essential part of life.
- 13:13We can reframe failure as well.
- 13:15What if it were easy?
- 13:17What if no one batted an eye?
- 13:19Coaching client Rebecca knew from the start that she wanted to negotiate lower work hours for her private practice anesthesiology job.
- 13:27But she felt stuck in her own mind.
- 13:29She was teetering on the edge of burnout.
- 13:32Long days in the operating room and frequent nights on call drained her energy to the point where she wasn't able to be present with her toddler when she was home.
- 13:41There was only one other physician in her group who worked a reduced clinical load and that person had done a poor job of negotiating and maintaining the necessary boundaries.
- 13:51Rebecca could not follow in those footsteps.
- 13:54She would have to design and propose her own arrangement to the partners.
- 13:58However, she was relatively new to the practice, only a couple years out of fellowship.
- 14:04She feared what the partners would think of her, and she feared repercussions.
- 14:09Her thoughts were, it would look bad for me to ask for a lighter schedule at this point in my career.
- 14:15I'm one of the only specialty fellows.
- 14:17What will they think?
- 14:19What will I do if I completely screw this job up?
- 14:22Rebecca was still in the fear based mindset many of us can relate to.
- 14:26Residency mode.
- 14:28She still saw herself as the lowest of the low, paralyzed by the fear that if she messed up, she could be hurt, usually with more work and less sleep, by people more senior.
- 14:39Many physicians in training live in this mode for years, and it does not just fade away once the training phase is complete.
- 14:46This thought pattern becomes ingrained, and it's tough to get rid of.
- 14:50After finally letting go of the fear and asking for what she needed, Rebecca said to me in follow up, I was surprised there wasn't more blowback.
- 14:59Work became pleasurable again, and she was able to view call nights as a challenge instead of dreading them.
- 15:05Most importantly, she was able to enjoy being with her family again during critical years of her child's life.
- 15:12There's rarely as much blowback as you think there will be.
- 15:15People are too caught up in their own dramatic stories to care much about what you do.
- 15:21Guilt.
- 15:23You might have guilt related to leaning out because the change you want to make means you'd have to leave your patients, clients, co workers, or other team members.
- 15:33Maybe you feel guilty that you're not dedicating enough to the calling of your chosen profession.
- 15:38You wasted a spot in medical school, law school, or the like.
- 15:43As the trolls put it, the feeling of guilt comes from not meeting a set standard or not following a rule.
- 15:50While guilt is a very useful and important emotion when we've actually done something wrong, it muddies the waters when the deviation in question is from a completely made up standard.
- 16:01You might have made it up or it might have been fabricated by the culture.
- 16:05Pick a rule that you identified from the previous chapter and remember that rule might not be based on anything other than arbitrary standards you think you need to meet.
- 16:15If you lean out, are you doing something wrong?
- 16:18Who are you hurting?
- 16:19It's not your job to be a savior.
- 16:23Shame.
- 16:24While guilt stems from feeling you've done something wrong, shame encompasses a wider feeling that you are what is wrong.
- 16:32Shame burrows deeply into your sense of self worth.
- 16:36The needs to do more and to be perfect are both rooted in shame.
- 16:40Many women, me included, grew up wanting everyone to like them.
- 16:45We have historically felt the need to prove we're worthy by doing, but also prove we're likable by appearing perfect and never rocking the boat.
- 16:54The foundation of shame is judgment and lack of love for yourself.
- 16:58So, to stand up for yourself and what you want out of your life, you must bring the love back.
- 17:04Cultivate self awareness.
- 17:06Learn your triggers, the origin of your shame, usually things said and done when you were growing up, and your default coping mechanisms.
- 17:15Grow your self compassion by treating yourself the way you would treat a dear friend, or better yet, your own child.
- 17:21Depending on how deep your shame runs, it might be a good idea to work with a therapist and or a coach.
- 17:27See chapter 9 for more on these concepts.
- 17:31All or nothing thinking.
- 17:34When I was burned out and ill, I pondered the ultimate question.
- 17:37Should I quit medicine and go work at Starbucks or get a job at the local climbing gear shop?
- 17:43I was blinded by all or nothing thinking.
- 17:46If I couldn't practice anesthesiology at the highest, most prestigious level, then I should just forget it and go work retail.
- 17:53What about the in between?
- 17:55If I had really gone down the rabbit hole of leaving my residency, there are so many other things I could have investigated.
- 18:02medical devices, pharma, medical writing, and consulting.
- 18:06As time goes on, this kind of list only grows when you suffer from all or nothing thinking.
- 18:12A complete pivot to a different industry could be the solution to your work life balance problems.
- 18:18But if you're feeling unbalanced in your current work situation, that doesn't mean you have to leave.
- 18:24Order a different arrangement that's not on the menu.
- 18:27Part time, virtual days, job sharing, a sabbatical, or even just a shift in roles.
- 18:34Just because no one has asked for it before doesn't mean you can't be the first.
- 18:39There are so many shades of gray in between the black and white that most people see at work.
- 18:45Sunk cost fallacy.
- 18:48An extension of all or nothing thinking is the sunk cost fallacy.
- 18:52It's easy to think that if you spent so long training to work in your field, you have to do it all the way in order to be worthy.
- 19:00Any career path will give you specific skills and also cultivate your innate strengths.
- 19:05Do you know what yours are?
- 19:07Make sure to complete the exercise at the end of Chapter 2.
- 19:10They can likely translate to many different work possibilities.
- 19:14Remember that, while you might still owe money in loans related to schooling, you owe no one any particular amount of time.
- 19:23You did not pursue your profession to feel enslaved by it.
- 19:27Everything has a cost, and as discussed above in the worry section, that includes not taking action.
- 19:34Confusion.
- 19:36Maybe things have been feeling off.
- 19:39Perhaps you're developing some negative habits or even some health issues.
- 19:43Maybe you're overwhelmed by the sheer amount of things on your to do list on a daily basis.
- 19:49You might feel the need for change, but you don't even really know what you want.
- 19:54In many of my Facebook groups for women physicians, I frequently read anonymous posts that start like these.
- 20:01I'm trying to decide if I should leave clinical medicine or if I'll have regrets.
- 20:06I'm not sure what I'm looking for, commiseration or permission.
- 20:10I really need some advice on a life changing decision.
- 20:14Asking for advice from others is fine, but the root of confusion is a fundamental lack of understanding of yourself.
- 20:21Read on for ways to take much needed time for self inquiry and develop deeper self knowledge, which will help you figure out your direction.
- 20:31The rest of this book focuses on how to find the courage to move forward and design your authentic work life balance.
- 20:37If Courage doesn't have to mean quitting.
- 20:40It means showing the world more of what makes you, you.
- 20:44Being true to what you value most and being unapologetically determined to take the steps.
- 20:50It means showing yourself the kind of integrity you've worked so hard to bring to your clients, colleagues, and patients.
- 20:58Exercise.
- 20:59Break the rules.
- 21:00You don't have to experience a major crisis to wake up to a life you didn't really sign on for.
- 21:06You can break your own rules.
- 21:08First, you must identify them.
- 21:10A good way to start is to think of all the roles you have in your life, all the instruments in your orchestra.
- 21:17Some that might come up for you include doctor, lawyer, engineer, dentist, accountant, mother, Daughter, sister, wife, caregiver, athlete, entrepreneur, even just woman.
- 21:34Write them all out on a piece of paper or in a journal, and then brainstorm the unwritten rules you abide by for each role.
- 21:42While reflecting on all the rules you've identified, ask yourself, is this rule absolutely true?
- 21:49Is this rule serving me?
- 21:50Where did this rule come from?
- 21:52What would really happen if I break this rule?
- 21:55Melina's Journey.
- 21:59Do what you love and the money will follow.
- 22:02Melina gave this advice for anyone who has concerns about how they might weather the financial insecurities of leaning out.
- 22:09She spent years in marketing for high powered clients, including a ski resort chain in the Lake Tahoe area.
- 22:15As an early adopter of marketing in the digital age, making herself always available had its costs.
- 22:22I ended up working with phenomenal clients all around the world, but at the same time sleeping with my phone, she said.
- 22:29She decided that this kind of work life was not sustainable.
- 22:33I wanted to find a way that I could fit my work into my life instead of the other way around, she said.
- 22:40She and her husband decided to take a 10 day trip to Baja California Sur, Mexico.
- 22:45Little did they know there would be absolutely no internet available.
- 22:49A time in solitude, in nature, and away from devices allowed her to be present and reconnect with her values.
- 22:56She also connected with her fears, which put her in a deep state of flow.
- 23:00She was forced to pay complete attention in the moment.
- 23:04On this trip, they decided to try kiteboarding lessons.
- 23:07It was a super scary experience and the only time I was ever able to fully focus on something outside of work.
- 23:14Melaina had spent plenty of time outside hiking and skiing before, and she was no stranger to meditation and yoga.
- 23:21But nothing had ever given her that complete sense of flow like kiteboarding.
- 23:26Also, she said, The feeling of fear made me feel human and vulnerable.
- 23:31During this experience, Melaina realized she had been missing out on living and needed to return to finding joy in things outside of work.
- 23:39That intense flow experience, the sense that time either speeds up or stands still while you are fully engaged and immersed in an activity, also opened up a world of inquiry for Milena.
- 23:50She immersed herself in studies of mindfulness practices and the neuroscience of well being.
- 23:55This is where her business, Unhustle, was born.
- 23:59Through her company, Milena challenges others to examine their work addiction and build in adequate recovery systems through play, immersive experiences, and mindfulness practices.
- 24:10Her daily work now looks like deep, creative time developing visual messaging, writing projects, corporate wellness offerings such as speaking in retreats, and a book.
- 24:21This is sandwiched by her own mindfulness practice and time spent outdoors, doing things she loves on the water, like kiteboarding and paddleboarding.
- 24:30And Melaina and her husband recently moved full time to Baja.
- 24:34While Melaina now defines success as being grounded in her values, it's Living in a place she loves, and doing what she loves.
- 24:41She is still in the position where she must market herself to spread her message.
- 24:46Accordingly, her biggest challenge is still dealing with my ego and my internal hustle.
- 24:52She manages her comparison to others by having a strong belief in why she made the changes she did.
- 24:58After a transformation born out of fear, Melaina's best advice for women who find themselves stuck on the treadmill of achievement is to find your courage.
- 25:07Thank you for watching! Be more pirate, she says.
- 25:10Have a purpose and a mission you're willing to die for, even if it's just your family.
- 25:15She encourages others to view their worries without financial insecurity by reversing the way they look at money.
- 25:21Wealth is so much more than money, she says.
- 25:24Wealth is your health, your relationships, and your sense of purpose and contribution.
- 25:29Many people have it backward in that they think making lots of money will facilitate fun, passion, and purpose later in life.
- 25:38Malena urges you to search out your why now, and the money will follow.
- 25:44Thanks for listening to the lean out podcast.
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- 25:59If you want to get in touch with me, you can find me at my website, practice balanced.com, where you can subscribe to my newsletter and get updates regularly about new podcast episodes, blog posts, speaking, engagements, and coaching services.
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- 26:28Have a great day and we'll see you next time