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No Trust, No Testimony: The Epstein Survivors and UK Authorities (5/31/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. Police over in the UK have expanded their
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  investigation into Prince Andrew and they're calling for survivors or
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  alleged victims to come forward. Well. One of the people
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  that allegedly has something to say about Andrew is a
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  woman from America, but she doesn't want to speak to
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  authorities over in the UK because she doesn't believe that
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  they're actually doing the right thing or that they're really
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  going to try and pursue justice. And she also has
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  some issues with the UK press, and her lawyer, Brad Edwards,
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  has said that she has a lot of reservations because
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  of the way that the media was trying to dig
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  into her life. And look, I get it, especially with
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  something like this. You have your own family, your own
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  kid's husband, whatever, and this story comes out and you
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  have to start talking about it, like, how do you
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  explain that? There has to be a lot of embarrassment,
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  you know, the whole thing. What could have I done different?
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  All of it? And then these people are asked to
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  relive this shit once again. After a lot of them
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  have compartmentalized it, they've tried to move on with their lives,
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  and now that it's you know, front page news again,
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  that has to dredge up a whole bunch of repressed
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  memories and repressed feelings. So I'm not shocked to hear
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  that these girls or some of them don't want to
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  speak to the authorities, especially considering the way things are going.
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  Why would anyone want to come forward when it's being
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  called a hoax by the President of the United States.
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  And one thing that I fear over in the UK
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  is that they're going to use the whole entire situation
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  here in America as an excuse to not pursue things
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  in the UK. Oh, well, we couldn't get the files
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  from the Americans, so there's nothing we can do, and
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  then that'll be their excuse and they'll have a built
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  in scapegoat, right the DOJ, Donald Trump and everybody else involved.
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  But the problem is the UK they can't extract themselves
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  from this. They're involved, maybe not as deeply as the
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  United States, but pretty close. Today's article is from the
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  BBC and the headline Epstein survivors lack faith in UK
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  police investigating Andrew says lawyer. This article was authored by
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  chie Chi Zundu and Olivia Davies, women who say they
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  have information about Andrew Mountbatten windsor do not have enough
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  faith in British police to speak to them. An American
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  lawyer representing hundreds of Jeffrey Epstein victims has told the
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  BBC Brad Edwards said he had multiple clients who could
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  speak about the former prince, but do not believe that
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  they would receive proper treatment in the UK and if
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  you're speaking out would result in press intrusion. Among his
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  clients are a woman who was alleged that she was
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  sent to the UK for sexual encounter with the former prince. Look,
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  there's going to be multiple women. The question is do
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  they want to come forward and do they have the
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  ability to come forward. Let's remember there's a lot of
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  women from Eastern Europe and we know that Prince Andrew
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  wanted girls down in Peru. So how many women down
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  there are girls that came from the countryside or more
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  rural areas were abused. How many of them might not
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  even have the Internet? And it's crazy to think about
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  this day and age, but there are people who aren't
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  locked into the Internet the way you are, and a
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  lot of those people down in Peru and other developing countries.
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  That's something that is a possibility. So I think when
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  we talk about Andrew himself, I think that there's still
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  a lot more that needs to be uncovered, a lot
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  more that hasn't been looked that now do I think
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  that this investigation is going to do that. I have
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  my doubts, and those doubts certainly increase if people who
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  were harmed don't want to come forward. No victim, no
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  crime right. So if you don't have people coming forward,
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  it's going to be very difficult to have Prince Andrew
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  held accountable. Mount Banton Winsor has consistently and strenuously denied
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  any wrongdoing. The National Police Chiefs Council said people who
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  come forward will be treated with care, compassion and respect.
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  Edwards told BBC News our multiple clients plural with information
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  about Mount Baton Windsor will not speak with authorities in
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  the UK for two reasons. First, the authorities did not
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  care to do anything when Epstein was alive, so their
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  confidence is low. Second, most important, the harassment by the
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  British press has dissuaded them from ever cooperating with UK
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  authorities or speaking with the British press. Look, I get it, man,
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  you can't force anybody to talk, and if people are uncomfortable,
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  then they are. Now. Do I wish that that was different?
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  I do do. I wish these women would come forward
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  and tell us what they know about Andrew. I do,
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  But the reality is that doesn't look like it's going
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  to happen at least as of now. Things can always change,
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  and you know, deals can be made, negotiations can occur,
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  and people can feel more comfortable, but as of right now,
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  I don't see these women given any information to the
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  English authorities. And I think that when all's said and done,
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  Prince Andrew's probably gonna end up walking, not because he's innocent,
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  but because that's the plan. They'll come back to us
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  and they'll say, look, we don't have enough evidence, enough
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  information to move forward. Maybe get a slap on the
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  wrist or whatever for you know, passing trade secrets to Epstein.
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  But that's where it's gonna end. And I think that's
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  what they're setting it up for. Right here, we can't
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  get the information, nobody wants to talk to us. We're
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  at a dead end. And look, I hope that's not
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  the case, right. I really hope that's not true, but
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  I don't have very much confidence in any of the authorities,
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  whether it's America or anywhere else. Edwards represents a woman
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  who's made an allegation against Mount Battan Windsor With about
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  an encounter at the former prince's home in Royal Lodge
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  in twenty ten before he had invited her to a
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  Buckingham palace for tea. She's the second woman to allege
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  that she was abused in the UK, following Virginia Roberts.
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  So I think that the UK authorities are going to
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  have to do whatever they have to do to try
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  and get people comfortable with speaking to them. But how
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  do you do that? That's the rub, right, that's the question.
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  Once people lose faith in institutions, it's very difficult for
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  them to regain that faith and think that the institutions
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  aren't going to screw them, especially when they've been screwed
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  time and time again by the same people. Edward said
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  that there's more than one client had initially been willing
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  to cooperate with British police in relation to that allegation,
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  but were dissuaded when UK based journalists began investigating the
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  woman as well as their family. I have mixed feelings
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  about that because obviously people are going to look into
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  the accuser, right They're going to try and figure out
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  if it's a credible accusation. And I really don't have
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  a problem with that. My problem is when these outlets
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  go too far. Why are you trying to talk to
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  their families, Leave their kids alone, leave their mom and
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  dad alone, and talk to the person who you're trying
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  to get information from. I think the problem though, is
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  that a lot of these outlets are way too aggressive
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  and they go about it the wrong way. Edwards said
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  other victims took notice of the fact that speaking out
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  had resulted in the woman's privacy being threatened. Thames Valley
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  Police said it had engaged with the women's legal team,
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  but her lawyer had said she would not communicate with
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  police over fears regarding her privacy. And that's an indictment
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  on the authorities over in the UK one hundred percent.
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  And there's still a lot of fear when it comes
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  to dealing with people like Andrew. We're still talking about
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  the son of the Queen and you have to think
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  that there's still loyalists out there that still want to
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  manage what's going on, that still want to try and
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  make it not as bad as it is. Edwards confirmed
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  Thames Valley Police had been in contact with him. Last week,
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  the Four said it could investigate allegations of sexual misconduct
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  against the former prints as part of its ongoing inquiry
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  into alleged misconduct and public office, which began when documents
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  released in the US suggested he had passed sensitive information
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  to Epstein while working as trade envoy for the British government.
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  And I think that's pretty clear cut. I don't think
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  that there is any doubt that that happened. And if
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  Andrew gets in any trouble whatsoever, it'll be for that,
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  not for sexual assault. That's my prediction. BBC News has
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  also spoken to Sigared McCauley, another US lawyer who is
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  representing Epstein's survivors who may have been trafficked to the
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  UK by Epstein. She told BBC News since the US
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  Department of Justice release the Epstein files in January, she
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  does not believe she has received any form of communication
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  from the Metropolitan Police. Now you would think that they
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  would try and contact Sigared McCauley and David Boyce, considering
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  they represented Virginia Roberts. But no, not a word. And again, look,
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  I just don't have confidence in any of the authorities
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  on any continent to do the right thing here. Too
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  many people were involved, too many powerful people in the
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  UK and elsewhere were wrapped up with Epstein. So they're
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  going to try and protect them, just like here in America.
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  Roberts made a complaint to London's Metro Police in twenty fifteen.
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  Officers interviewed her a number of times, but she was
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  told there would not be any investigation. Mount Batton Windsor
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  settled for an estimated twelve million pounds in a civil
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  case she brought against him in twenty twenty two. She
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  took her own life allegedly last year, and boy, if
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  she was around right now, this would be a whole
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  different ballgame, a whole different ballgame, and Prince Andrew would
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  seriously be in jeopardy. But considering what we're hearing here
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  and that Brad Edwards is saying that his clients don't
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  want to speak to the authorities, I just don't have
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  confidence that we're going to see this ball get pushed
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  over the goal line. He was arrested on February nineteenth
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  and released under investigation on suspicion of misconduct in public office.
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  He has only ever been described by Thames Valley Police
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  as a man in his sixties from Norfolk. As police
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  forces do not usually name people unless they've been charged.
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  Mount Baton Winsor has denied any personal gain from his
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  role as UK Trade Envoy between two thousand and one
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  and twenty eleven. Oh yeah, he didn't gain anything from that.
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  Just a guy doing his duty, that's all. Love of country,
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  Love of Queen, Love of Epstein. Epstein, who was convicted
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  a soliciting prostitution from a minor in two thousand and eight,
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  died in a New York prison in twenty nineteen as
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  he awaited trial on sex trafficking charges. A National Police
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  Chiefs Council spokesperson said as part of the UK Policing response,
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  efforts have been made to contact victims survivors who have
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  already chosen to share their experiences publicly. In some cases
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  this has involved engagement with legal representatives. However, we recognize
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  that we have not yet been able to reach everyone,
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  and our efforts continue. We understand that coming forward can
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  be incredibly difficult, and we want anyone affected to know
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  they can do so in their own time when they
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  feel ready. Our doors remain open should any victim, survivor
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  choose to contact UK Policing, they will be treated with care,
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  compassion and respect, with their well being, privacy and right
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  to anonymity at the center of our response. Now look
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  great words, right, but are they true? According to these revivers,
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  they don't believe it. So the UK Police have to
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  try and rebuild trust. They have to try and show
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  these women that they're trying to do the right thing
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  and they're not going to out them. That's going to
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  be tough. So we'll see what we see and if
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  these women come forward and they give some information to
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  the UK Police, that could change everything. The question is
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  will they all right? Folks? That's going to do it
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