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Her FIRST archery competition & We held a HUGE archery event! · The Bow Disciples Podcast

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We're rolling. It has been it's been a while
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since the last pod. Our last podcast was on location
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in Redding with Bella and Leanne, which was what was that
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three weeks ago now? I think so.
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I think so. That was the first week in a May
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and we're almost at the end. So it's been almost a month,
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more than three weeks. So Paul would apologize for
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that. The podcast, we have been
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missing a few podcasts, but things have been busy.
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We've been doing a lot product, productive and fun archery
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things. Why don't you go ahead and
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start? We could start with reading.
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We never really got to talk about it after the event.
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What did you think of the events?
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That's helpful. Well, I knew you would just
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keep. I would.
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It would be so annoying so I had.
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To but it would bother me. I thought we'd flip the chair so
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that wouldn't happen. Would you like to flip them?
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No, we're already rolling reading.
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What did I think of it? I think it's great.
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I think it's the target Archers tack is what I would call
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reading. I think the reason, though maybe
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unsaid, the unsaid reason why people love reading so much is
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that it very much so resembles attack with a vendor village
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kind of area. And it's outdoor.
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There's a bar on site too I think you said.
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There is. I rimarily hit the one but there
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was 2. I don't know where the second
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one was. I did hit both.
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I did hit both. I ended up hitting the one more
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because it was closer to the vendor area.
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Yeah, I don't know where the other one.
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I did get one beverage that had a hole in it though.
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Oh my. And that that was the one I had
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when we were doing the pod in Redding.
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Oh yeah, Which? Is one of our highest listen to
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episodes. People seem to enjoy it, so
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that's cool. Yeah.
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So I think, I think that's why it's just that it's packed with
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people, very similar to Vegas with the vendor village packed
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with people. It's kind of like, you know, if
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you went to a convention but for archery and it's outdoors.
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So it just feels a bit more on the fun side than like the
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competition side, even though it is you have the shoot the day
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before, the blind shoot that you can pay to do.
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That's really just for fun. Blind Shoot was fun and it's a
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great warm up. Yeah.
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And then or you could pay less and you could go over to that
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other portion that also you could shoot for fun, but you're
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not entering it doesn't cost as much.
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So you're not entering for the blind shoot.
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So there is fun shoots as well as competition, but you can
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shoot it regardless of if you want a place like you're not a
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pro. So like you have so many, it's
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like doesn't feel as segregated, I guess, as Vegas does because
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Vegas separates the pros in a specific room from like the
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flight of people, though you may not be on the same bail because
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you're just all out in the open, like one bail ahead of you could
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be all the pert like a group of pros and then a group of people
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just shooting for fun, but signed up, you know, amateur
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class or whatever it's called in the next bales, you know, so
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it's it seems much more mixed and then it we our group had
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pros in it like we were on a pro bail.
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So yeah, I think it's just the, it's the target shooters tack of
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the year. I think that's a good.
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I think that's a a good description.
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Because think about other, think about other outdoor competition
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related shoots. You've got the Asas and you've
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got like outdoor Olympic stuff, like metered shoots, shooting
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out a single Bale. Flat, ground flat.
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Ground in the open, the train looks same.
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We don't move. ASA.
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Sure, you move from target to target, but primarily you're
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going to look down a lane that's about 10 feet or 10 yards wide,
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goes straight to the target. Yeah, Target standing there in
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the wide open and you just, there's nothing before it.
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Like you just come, you shoot, shoot, shoot, and then the
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shoots done. So Redding's just not like that.
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No, no. It was a good mix of terrain.
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There's sections that are, you know, pretty steep up, down side
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hill. The hike is not like a tack
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hike. It's not that tough, but
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nonetheless tougher than ASA or things like that.
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I haven't been, but from what I've seen content wise, so I
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agree, I think the vibe was great.
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I mean everyday people were buying me pops and I was
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cracking cold ones and shit and it was so much fun.
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I loved it. I loved it.
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But I do apologize for the lack of podcasts, but it's been,
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we've just been in a whirlwind since reading and it's no
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excuse. We could have.
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We could have made a couple happen.
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We just did. For sure.
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But however, it's kind of like in lieu of doing ours, we popped
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on, you know, you know, Josh and Brandon's twice.
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So while we were gone and couldn't get one out, you know,
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you could go over to their channel and watch, you know, the
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one where we talked about Vegas before we left for oh, that's a
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great home attack. That's actually a really good
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pod. If you guys haven't heard it and
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want a real deep dive into Vegas, head over to Brandon
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McDonald's channel on YouTube and check out that podcast.
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It's really good. And then, yeah, I mean, like I
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said, there's no excuse. We could have got a couple out,
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but we just didn't. The channel, the main channel
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always is our first priority and and then the podcast.
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Is still a love project. It's a love project, but we have
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done a good job this year of doing a lot more.
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Got to give us credit there, but with the event this year, we
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didn't even film at the MO Disciples Challenge at all.
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We did do some photos, we did some phone stuff, but as far as
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like a full length YouTube video, we didn't do any.
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But what is really cool is there was a whole lot of other
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creators there filming and I think that after reading, we
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didn't have anything until the BD challenge.
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And the challenge, you know, was last weekend.
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So pretty recent to now and it was 3 days this year, our first
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year doing an expanded format of three days.
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We also shifted to four courses of 15 targets versus 3 of 20 and
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A10 target kids course, which I think was a home run.
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I heard a lot of people say that 15 targets was like a perfect
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length of a course. And that's what I've always
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said. And we've always said like at
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TAC, which we're heavily inspired by, obviously, and, and
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a lot of our stuff is sort of based on the model they've built
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even there, like, you know, we talk often about, you know, it'd
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be nice to do the RMEF course or something that are
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traditionally, as Josh would say, traditionally 15 targets.
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You know what I mean? 20 can get pretty long.
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Like I think the sweet spot is 15 to 20 and then over 20 starts
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to get a bit long. Now it's different if you're
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shooting just a regular tournament where you're not
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walking very far between shots and it has more to do with the
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actual shooting than the hiking. Like for example, where we were
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last weekend in a Ronco, that's different because you're
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literally just shooting. It's not like a hike.
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This is a hike. It's physical event.
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And I think that the format was nailed. 3 days I thought went
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really smooth. We did have a couple of hurdles
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as anytime you put on an event you're going to have, for
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example, our food vendor that's been there three years in a row
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or no two years in a row had to bail last minute.
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His truck couldn't make it and he had to bail, which left us
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scrambling like we have too many people to not have a food
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vendor. Thankfully we had Brooks Coffee.
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She does have some food, but she's mostly a coffee, you know,
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business. And thankfully we had Outlaw BBQ
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come in clutch and come for a couple days as well as Brooke
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made some food as well. And it just went I think so
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smooth. And we added a party this year
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up the road at Josie's Hideout. Shout out to Rocky for helping
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us that, but I thought that was killer.
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I don't know about you, but I think it was our our smoothest 1
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yet. I mean, I think BD 3 was also
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exceptionally smooth, but I feel like this might have been aside
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from one sprained ankle, it was like perfect.
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Yeah, I think it was definitely one of the smoothest while also
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adding at least one more feature, IE the the party Friday
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night. And I think we can always
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expound on that even more, expand on that even more next
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year. I'd like to do some giveaways
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that don't happen post the shoot, you know, do them Friday
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night at the at the party. But yeah, for having equally,
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you know, the same amount of people there this year is last
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year it felt very smooth. We were able to get out on all
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the courses and everybody was able to do them once or multiple
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times. Never hearing of any backups on
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courses. Or safety issues.
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Yeah, or safety issues. The the other food guy come in
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clutch would love to expand on, you know, we kind of, but for,
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for logistics reasons you we would say, you know, we don't
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need to go in depth on it, but didn't do any sort of vendor
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village this year. And I think that's something
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that I think people just pay to look forward to.
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I've always said that they're important because it's a chance
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for people to come and see products that they don't get to
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see at their local shops. A lot of times, you know, even
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like, you know, maybe Kooyoo doesn't come, but for example, a
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hunting clothing brand, it's a lot of brands are direct to
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consumer now and are not in shops and their only chance to
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see and try on the clothes are at these events like TAC and
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conventions and things like that, Expo, Expo.
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And so when you're paying all that money to especially because
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this is 1 where you know, we get a significant amount of people
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that fly in. So flying in that cost you your
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flight, it cost you your rental car, it cost you your hotel or
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Airbnb or cabin or camping, you know, you want a little bit more
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for your buck because it's not just we keep our ticket costs
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low. And I think that's great.
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I don't think we need to nickel and dime people there.
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But there are other expenses than your ticket costs that, you
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know, you as a event host have to consider.
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And so it's a a thing of like, you know, what do you do for
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your event that brings more people while doesn't raise costs
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and you know, whatever. So that's something to bring
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back next year. But aside from that, like the
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food guy, phenomenal for coming in last minute.
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He'd done some of their states in the past.
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And he is like a born and raised cook, chef, whatever a male
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likes to be called while still being just you're like back home
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country hunting. He was great, you know, older
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gentleman, he. He was great and and the prices
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were pretty reasonable. Same with Brooks.
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I mean, but Brooke birthday great.
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I mean she's got a new baby. So you know she you know her she
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was a little all over the place, but she did really good.
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Her drinks were great and she has so many good options and the
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breakfast sandwiches they had over there too were great.
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The. I would tell Joey next year to
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1000% just throw a giant sign out there that, you know, says
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breakfast sandwiches and when we're checking people in,
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letting them know they could go over there if they want to get a
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sandwich where they get the the the trails because it's just so
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good. But yeah, going back to your
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thing about because we changed the courses pretty significantly
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this year, I guess you would say compared to like your average,
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like you said, we try to pack as much in there in previous years
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for the amount of we have a lot of land, but compared to like
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tack having a whole, you know, ski resort worth of land, we
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don't have that much. And so I think going to 15
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targets was 20s, like the absolute Max, like I'll do 25 or
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28 because that's what people set.
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But like your attention span starts to get lost, you start to
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get tired. And especially an attack
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inspired type of event with those hikes and those longer
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trails in there, it's not target after target after target.
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You've got a lot of distance between target one to two and
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three, etcetera. And that's what I think makes
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these types of events. People love the hikes and
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getting to a new high point. When then you look down and
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you're exhausted, you're like, Oh my gosh, this is like a 35°
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angle downhill through trees in a hole at a Turkey, you know, or
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a mosquito in rocks. I still think Matt was too easy
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on that set. I never went and saw it
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afterwards. I never got to see it.
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I. Think he could have got a little
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hard next year, I'm gonna have to do it.
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But. But he said he didn't want to.
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He didn't want to badger people too much, but it was still good.
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I think that's what people love about these because you don't
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get to see that at your local fun shoots, you know?
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So 15 was a great call. The physical challenge is a big
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part of it in my mind. You know, it's called
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Motorcycles challenge, It's called Total Archery Challenge.
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Both of them are supposed to challenge you, you know, And I
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mean, I remember shooting tack in 2020 with a group of like
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Rick was there, for example, who won the range Finder this year
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at the shoot and and kind of his bunch at the time.
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And one of the women there had like she had been to TAC I think
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a prior year. It was just like she realized
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she was crazy out of shape. And then the next year she had
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trained all year, dropped a bunch of weight, got in good
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shape. She wanted to be able to hike
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the mountains better the next time around.
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That's dope to me, you know, so like if it can be a source of
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motivation or fitness or something like that while
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getting to shoot some some, you know, different, different
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difficulties of courses. That was another thing I think
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this year did better than maybe some of the the last couple was
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the easy course really was. I mean, it wasn't a cakewalk.
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It was harder than most tournament courses, but it was
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like it was pretty. It was simple enough to wear
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like if you're a beginner, you would you would do OK, and
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that's what we need. It's that was good.
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Next year, you know, I'm not going to talk about it too much
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until we get closer to it, but like, I really want to have some
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sort of like a version of like an extreme course.
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That's brutal. So next year that's a thing.
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And there's a couple tweaks, like I think the vendors for
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sure and, and some other things. But ultimately, I mean, you
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know, almost, almost an attendance record not quite just
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shy of last year by 17, yeah, 17 participants.
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So basically the same. We had three day pass this year
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which a lot of people bought. So very comparable to last year
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as far as turn out goes. Very excited, very blessed about
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that. And we promoted it a lot less.
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We kind of were waiting on some answers and we ultimately never
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really got them, but it worked out and the event went good.
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But I think we could have had a lot more.
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But I'm so happy with how it turned out and definitely a
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highlight of the year already, you know, one of the year end
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highlights for sure. Crazy that it's already been
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four years and. It's like barely easy to like
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hard. It's it's almost hard to
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remember the first one. Like the only bits of it I
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remember are just where we set up, like in the real practice
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range with the one loan check in tent and merch and merch.
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At that time it was both. Yeah, it was both.
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And that was it. There was nothing else.
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And the courses were literally called Course one, Course 2.
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And course 3. Yeah, and it was super raw, you
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know, I mean, it was so raw. It was really hot.
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We didn't have any signs. Are they like it was just like
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bare bones? Year 2 was a big facelift.
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I mean Year 2. Spent a lot of money increasing
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year one to two. Year 2 is probably the most
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expensive as far as like a cost because we've added a lot of
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production, but it was good. And then year three, we really
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change the game when we move the practice range.
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That was key. So year 3 was a big jump and
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then year 4 really just built on what year 3 was, but added a day
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and change the structure a little, which was better.
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Like that's I think the structure going forward.
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And now, now it's just about like adjusting on that
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structure, you know? I could really see an expansion
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to year five with, you know, a full, you know, Lord willing,
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full vendor village. We have so much space for it.
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And a full promotional run that's not feeling like choked
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down so. For sure.
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And that's just stuff on our end logistically that is preparation
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needed. And sometimes we can't help that
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because it's like you said, it's waiting on answers from others
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involved in order to get a go ahead and you just can't go
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without the the answer. So you.
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Can't force people to give you a reply in a timely fashion.
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I wish you could especially, you know, I, I'm, I'm a quick guy,
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so I liked it just. But, you know, yeah, not
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everyone's like that. But I think keeping the party
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for sure party days will not go away.
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No, three days standing on that party so that you know, there
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are some raffles and giveaways that take place at that at that
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party. Maybe we do add karaoke. close
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the range. Close the range down a little
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earlier each. Day so people can actually make
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it over tons of people did like way more than.
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Party was packed yeah Rocky, rocky was she was super stoked
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yeah on the turn out. So, you know, appreciate
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everyone who came to the event and and like I said, we you're
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not going to see content other than short form on our channels.
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However, if you want to watch and see what the events about,
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go to other people's channels. Just type in Bo disciples
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challenge and there is a lot of channels.
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Maybe 2026? Yeah, with good videos out
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there. So go check those out.
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And then, yeah, I mean, that went down.
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We rolled straight from that, so we had some unexpected.
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We've talked about it numerous Times Now, but some unexpected
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in recent past plan changes where we ended up canceling the
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long-awaited road trip because we lost out on some people who
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are going to Vermont Tack. So it just didn't make sense to
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go for just us for a smaller tax one we'd love to still do in the
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future. But so we cancelled that road
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trip. But then we filled the space
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right back up because Taylor, your buddy called was like, hey.
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You heard about this state Broadhead Championship and I was
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like, no, but do they give out buckles?
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Oh yeah. So what else do you do but jump
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straight from BDC 4 into prepping for a State Broadhead
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Championship? Well, I mean, hey, you, you had
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good practice at BDC 4 because you shot all four courses.
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I think you're the only one of the group to do that.
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Most of us shot three of the four.
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Unfortunately not victory for a lot of us, but.
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But I don't feel bad about it because I was the first year
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I've ever done it. Well, no, what I'm saying is it
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was good for your practice and and also shooting at the
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practice range. One thing that was cool was the
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way we had the check in set and the giveaway set was we were
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able to shoot the practice range of people.
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So we were getting to shoot the bows, which was neat.
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And like I said, shoot, you know, in most of our cases,
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three of the four courses, you knocked out all four, which I
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think is great. So yeah, you were well
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practiced. You know, I was going to give it
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a RIP too. We were able to actually make a
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video, which I'm proud of is like a 22 minute video.
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It's really good that we didn't know if that would happen.
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Had some cameras. We got a new camera and had some
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issues. But we, you know, you got it
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fixed for day 2 and then we didn't use it day 2.
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But but nonetheless, like it was, I felt like your
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preparation was good. It was decent.
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Mama's OK. I got more time behind the
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alliance and felt good. So, you know, we just went up
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there and gave it a RIP. And I don't know if you want to
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say the results or you want to wait till the video comes out
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Sunday. Yeah, I yeah, I mean, if I post
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the post on Instagram, the answer is already going to be
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out there. So are you going to?
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Do it. Are you going to actually post?
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And not everybody goes to all platforms.
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That's very true. You know, some people who use
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YouTube probably likely do not have Instagram and, you know,
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don't listen to podcasts or whatever.
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So yeah, I think the one the biggest thing that I learned
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from it is the preparation that you should take regardless.
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Couple things though, before you get into talking about the
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shoot, I want to just talk about the format so people understand
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it before you talk about it. So it was like she said, a broad
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head shoot. You could use mechanicals, so I
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thought about using a beast, but neither of us did.
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We use fixed blades and it is unmarked under 40 and under.
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Anything over 40 was marked yardage and it was 80 targets,
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40 each day, 40 Saturday, 40 Sunday.
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In the scoring was No 12, so it's 10850 and the classes are a
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little different, but basically we were both in what she was in
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hunter release female, which is movable sight, no lenses or
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anything but a movable sight and basically a modern bow hunter
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set up and that's also what I was in for the men so anyway go.
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Go ahead, stabilizers and back bars, things like that.
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The only requirement was that it'd be a camo or matte finished
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bow and have a quiver attached to the bow.
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In the modern bow hunter class they call the Hunter release
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class. And you couldn't be above 300
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and 300 feet a second with a 3% margin of error.
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So 309, I was pumping 297 and you were toast. 23737 on day
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2237. I don't know what happened day
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one but. And they didn't check everyone's
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bows and broadens. Yeah, day one they check
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everybody's bows in broad me too if you're in flight 1 and day 2
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if you're in the top flighted group for your class.
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So that's that's the run on how it how it goes.
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And I will say it does make it tough like to make back points
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like you you were you were trying for day 2 when there are
24:12
no twelfths. So like you just have to be on
24:16
your game. Basically just hope that
24:19
everybody else isn't on theirs or a mistake is made.
24:23
And then you don't make a mistake because there's no way
24:26
to gain back points once you lose them.
24:27
You lose them, you're down and there's no coming back to Even.
24:31
So I would say, what would you say probably 10% of the total
24:36
shoot was marked or yeah, marked, maybe 5 to 8 targets.
24:43
I can't remember a day. Yeah, yeah.
24:47
I mean. There were less than 10 for
24:49
sure, Mark. I would say that's and you.
24:52
Shoot the same whatever was 5 to 10 marked targets both days.
24:59
So those cones never changed yardages, they stayed the same,
25:06
and then everything else was unmarked with a broad head.
25:11
And if I learned anything, it is the acute amount of preparation
25:20
that you should take or let me just let me change that to
25:23
diligent amount of preparation you should take to tune in your
25:28
broad heads, especially for hunting.
25:32
Because a lot of times what I saw out there, and I made this
25:35
change for today too, is they're coming in with the tiniest, I
25:42
mean, within legal limits of how they're also you can't just pick
25:46
like the absolute like most smallest practice broadhead
25:50
thing, you know, known to mankind or that you custom made
25:54
yourself. So it has to follow California
25:56
Fish and Game regulations for broadhead.
25:59
So the minimum size was like a 5/8 inch or something.
26:05
Don't quote me on that, but I think that's what the rule said.
26:09
And if yours looks small. He whipped out this little metal
26:12
doughnut to check that he couldn't put it over the top of
26:15
your broad head. And so you, you, there are
26:22
things you likely wouldn't hunt with, maybe dependent on game
26:28
and animal. But do you want to pause?
26:31
I don't know. It sounded like our door.
26:33
It sounded like a knock. I.
26:34
Think it was just wind. Keep.
26:36
It rolling, we had a sorry guys, we had a minor disturbance at
26:40
our door, but we're good. It didn't sound like an ox so I
26:44
was like, but you know, maybe get dependent on animal like you
26:48
might use like something that small.
26:50
I would probably use it on like a Bunny, but I wouldn't use it
26:53
on much else. However, like day one, I rolled
26:57
in with Magnus Stingers and though long and skinny, they
27:05
they're pretty large. And the recommendation from
27:08
everybody we talked to had shot it before was like, Neil, we're
27:13
going to change these right now. So after day one, I changed
27:17
broadheads for day 2, but it was just having a really rough time
27:21
getting them to fly Gray out at distances.
27:24
And by distance I mean like 50 to 55 yards.
27:28
I don't mean like a 70 yard poke.
27:30
There was nothing beyond 59 on the course.
27:32
No, there was a 62 yarder. Yeah, 60.
27:35
But that was Max. So I learned that I would like
27:40
to be more diligent in my preparations for hunting season
27:45
of just double checking that my broad heads fly true out to like
27:50
60 because that's the Max I think I'd like to shoot from now
27:53
on anyways. Ethically, morally, mentally for
27:57
my complex. I mean, if you, you know, go
28:00
back to some of our recent content, for example, when we
28:03
went and shot with Greg Poole, basically you can correct me in
28:09
the comments here if I'm wrong. But I believe what I'm going to
28:12
say is correct that like when I was shooting the bare shaft and
28:15
we're tuning in the bow to the bare shaft, tuning to a fixed
28:20
blade broadhead is essentially the same thing.
28:23
So like it may be opposite, but you're doing the same thing.
28:27
You're shooting a field tip and getting it to where eventually
28:30
they hit the same and then you theoretically go back to paper
28:34
and both should shoot a bullet hole just like Greg said.
28:37
So, you know, tuning, tuning has never been our strength.
28:43
And I think, you know, to back up what you're saying, I think
28:48
we're learning that especially if you're going to do like a
28:52
state broadhead shoot or something like that where you're
28:54
shooting friggin fixed blades. It's good to know how to really
28:59
tune your stuff and dial it in. For example, you were at some
29:04
points struggling hitting to the right on uphill targets.
29:08
So today we went to and saw how do you shoot at very steep
29:12
angles uphill? And you were?
29:15
16 out to 36. And you were no longer hitting
29:18
to the right, shooting uphill. But what was the difference?
29:20
You were. Shooting with field tips, right?
29:23
So had you put a broad head on, it would have been interesting
29:26
to see if it was over to the right.
29:28
So I think that like you said, doing more stuff like this, all
29:34
it does is make your game and you as an Archer and an
29:38
individual and even a bow technician better than if you
29:43
just stick in one box. Well, and we everybody knows how
29:49
much archery is so much a mental game.
29:54
So if you can improve your confidence strictly by just
29:59
doing, I'm not saying it's like something you need to.
30:01
I heard from some people who are out there like shooting dozens
30:05
of arrows and then dialing those back to like 12.
30:08
And then yeah, I believe knock tuning is great and whatnot.
30:11
But like they would spend weeks and weeks and weeks to prepare
30:15
to have like 6 arrows. But I just slapped, I just
30:19
slapped Dick together, 5 broad heads and five HLRS and just let
30:24
her. And, you know, I'm not saying
30:29
maybe I'm going to go to that level, but like to ensure that I
30:32
know that like the arrows that I bring with me and the broadheads
30:36
that I bring with me have a tune properly set to fly them
30:40
straight out to 60. That's what I I want to ensure
30:46
for home season. And so that's what I learned the
30:48
most out of this because that's what I care about the most.
30:53
You know, though, I would love to win Buckle.
30:58
They're just good to do these types of tournaments so that if
31:01
you do care most about, you know, hunting and, and your
31:04
shots and placement and whatnot, that you learn those things from
31:07
suits like. Thinking and competing is going
31:10
to make you better. It's just.
31:11
It is just. More reps down the bow.
31:13
Yeah, I love competing and you know, I I think you do as well,
31:20
which it was cool that after you filming me do so many events
31:25
this year. I mean you filmed me do 5
31:26
events, 3 shoots in Arizona, one in Vegas, one in Reading, and
31:31
then, you know, to actually get to be a competitor this time was
31:35
pretty cool. And you know, we were under the
31:37
impression that we were going to shoot together none of neither
31:41
day. It turned out that the first day
31:43
they let you shoot with whoever and then the second day was
31:46
flighted. So that was kind of cool.
31:47
So we got to shoot together and I got to watch him.
31:50
Now, however, if you choose to do this tournament next year, if
31:53
you're listening and decide, oh, let me go try it, that is not
31:56
always the case and that's not typically how it works.
31:59
So typically you are flighted even on day one with say there's
32:04
10 people in your class, you're just flighted with a random 4 or
32:07
so of them. However, they did not flight at
32:10
all day one. So you like a male was able to
32:14
shoot with a female because the flights were not set.
32:18
So and then day 2, they then flighted us based on our ranking
32:22
within our class. But yeah, so going back to it,
32:28
that's what I learned the most out of it.
32:31
I have never shot an unmarked tournament in my life, never
32:36
shot an unmarked fun course in my life up until last weekend
32:39
because I decided I wanted to do this tournament.
32:43
I shot the victory course unmarked, but I still checked
32:48
ranges before I shot each time to see how my guess was, which
32:55
is great. I think you should practice
32:56
doing that. However, there's a different
32:58
element of anxiety that is added when you don't have a range
33:03
Finder and you have to check or you you can't check.
33:06
You just have to be confident in your guess, your educated guess
33:11
and shoot the arrow and hope it was good.
33:16
And there's a lot that goes into that like mental game of, you
33:21
know, where you landed and then you start comparing the past
33:24
shots to the next target and you know, ways to try to figure out
33:30
the yardage. And you know, it's just a whole
33:36
mental addition to archery tissue unmarked.
33:42
And so day one officially now I know the door was not shut.
33:50
So day one shot all unmarked. Our group was fantastic because
33:55
nobody was discussing ranges like you should, not like 0.
34:00
And I thought that was fantastic because.
34:01
My group didn't day 2 either. Not at all.
34:04
We didn't either on day 2, but I think that's always helpful
34:08
because like, you don't accidentally hear somebody like
34:11
whispering anything to a friend or something like that.
34:15
And my guesses were I was doing great, you were, and came out
34:22
day one feeling very confident in my score.
34:26
If I doubled it for day two, it was very comparable to previous
34:30
year's top scores. And turns out there was only one
34:39
other lady in my class which I would have loved to shoot
34:43
against more. I just, I think that would be
34:45
more fun, more competitive and whatnot.
34:50
And but there were some really, really great shooters in the bow
34:55
hunter class as well for females.
34:58
And so that's what I was comparing my scores to last year
35:01
and felt good. Had a very stiff lead going into
35:11
day two. It was 18 points and then day 2
35:16
game and I had paper tuned my bow the night before, changed my
35:21
broad heads was shooting great. A shout out to 55 yards and was
35:26
a little still a little right and but on flat ground and I was
35:35
doing good. The 1st 14 targets.
35:37
I knew where we were because you shoot the same and the way it
35:42
works, you shoot the same course again.
35:45
Don't fall asleep. I'm not for all the people not
35:48
watching but listening. Chase's eyes just fluttered a
35:51
little. I will be honest, I am.
35:54
I am tired, boss. I'm worn out.
35:58
I've been worn out the I've been worn out, boss.
36:01
Nobody has it harder than me. OK, anyways, moving on.
36:07
But they moved the cones overnight.
36:09
So yeah, and that was, I felt like that was tricky.
36:12
It was tricky because some of them just moved left or right
36:16
and then some of them did move forward and back.
36:19
And so you're trying to like remember what yesterday's
36:23
yardage for a target was when you shoot 40 targets.
36:26
So it's like, I don't remember what this bear was yesterday,
36:30
like 30 something ish maybe, I don't know.
36:33
And then you're trying to think about like, does this look
36:35
closer or further and that you should just not do throw that
36:38
out the window and just re go with your plan that you did on
36:43
day one on day 2. And that where that like really
36:47
started mentally messing me up. So you shoot like the way the
36:51
paper breaks down. You like shoot 14 as you're
36:54
scoring and then it moves to the next line and you score you you
36:57
restart score 14 just to help yourself add.
37:00
But so we shot 14 targets on day 2 and I re added my score and I
37:05
was like I am up 35 points over the the other female in my
37:13
class. Just take that wad it up and
37:17
throw it right in the trash can because by the end of the next
37:21
14 it was like within 14 points. It was not good and I started to
37:29
pucker my BHA little bit. Because.
37:34
I might throw this win that I had by a long shot right in the
37:40
garbage, but when you think about it, you have to remember
37:43
that's really not though. That does seem like an
37:46
astounding amount of points. 35 point lead in an unmarked shoot
37:51
with no twelves. That could be 3 zeros or 6
37:56
fives. And guess what I had in a row?
37:59
6 fives and she was just shooting great for you know that
38:04
part and so the first fourteen I went 100 and she went 84 and so
38:10
that gave me 14 more points bumped my my lead and the second
38:16
one I shot 84 and she shot a one O 6.
38:21
So she actually performed better than I did in the 1st 14.
38:25
And then the second one, I just had to like try to mentally put
38:29
myself back in it and just target for target.
38:35
And we kind of went back and forth and I'd get A5, she'd get
38:40
a 10, I'd get A10, she'd get a 5.
38:42
We both shoot fives, we both shoot eights like, and I just
38:47
kind of like held it off. I gave her a couple more points.
38:50
She's still finished higher than me on the last.
38:53
I think it's 10, but ultimately it was not enough points to
39:00
secure the win and so from a 35 point high lead I dropped it
39:05
down. Luckily I'd gapped it out that
39:07
far because I dropped it down to an 11 point lead and that's what
39:11
I won with. So I did come home with my
39:13
buckle, but I am not happy with my shooting on day 2.
39:18
So that's just it goes to show like I if I did something like
39:21
that again, I would want to put more effort.
39:22
Wasn't the unmarked though. I need more mental practice with
39:26
that. That does get in your head,
39:30
feeling confident in your setup with something so new.
39:34
I'd never shot a broadhead shoot before.
39:37
Ensuring like that every single one flies straight is very
39:45
important and there's work to be done if I were to do something
39:49
like it again next year. But yeah, I'm just happy I
39:54
managed to get away with the buckle and it came home with me.
39:58
I'm waiting on my belt to show up today from Amazon so I can
40:02
put it on my belt to bring the tack with me.
40:04
But you also shot this tournament.
40:08
Would you like to discuss your part at all?
40:11
Well, I would like to discuss how nice your buckle is and I
40:15
think it's pretty neat that. It's my favorite.
40:18
You set out, you know, you you said you wanted to try to win a
40:22
buckle and you went out and and did it with a good good sized
40:26
win, which is really cool. That was awesome.
40:28
I thought you shot really well the day we shot together.
40:31
I was very impressed. And you know, we do have a
40:34
couple more competitions coming up.
40:36
We got this new one and Del Mar at the Del at the Fairgrounds,
40:41
which I'm excited. First of all, I want to give a
40:44
San Diego Archer some credit. I'm excited.
40:46
They're doing something different.
40:48
They're bringing archery to us somewhere with a crowd, which is
40:51
pretty cool. There's going to be 3D targets
40:53
and Olympic targets and we're both competing in both.
40:58
It's a hybrid event, which I think is bitchin.
41:02
It'll get a lot of new eyes on archery.
41:04
I do want my jersey for that and I want my jersey for Big Bear.
41:09
So we need to get on that like today.
41:13
But I'm excited for that. I'm excited for more
41:15
competitions and I'm excited you got your buckle and and want
41:18
want more. You want to do better.
41:20
As far as how I did came in there, still not a ton of time
41:25
behind the Alliance, but I did shoot amazing at BDC.
41:28
I felt really good at BDC. So I was like, OK, you know, put
41:32
a broad head on and got it flying good enough.
41:35
You know, I had Greg Poole talk me through a little bit of like
41:38
tuning and it was hitting good. So I started shooting and and I
41:42
knew that Travis Scott, the guy from Deadhead Archery was there
41:46
and he's very good. You know, like he's shoots pro
41:50
in Vegas and shoots pro and, you know, all the big tournaments.
41:53
And I mean, he's like a 30X shooter indoor, you know, 330 X,
41:56
like he's very good. So I knew it was likely going to
42:00
be me and him at the top and, you know, started shooting and
42:06
felt really good. You know, day one, I was just
42:08
pounding 10s pretty much exclusively almost.
42:12
And then I made one mental error, which I never make.
42:16
I don't make mistakes like this. But there was a target that was
42:20
a marked one and it was marked for 49, I believe.
42:25
And for some reason I watched the video when I edited it, I
42:28
step up and I go, oh, we got to mark target 49.
42:30
You see me dial it, but for some reason my head stopped it at 40.
42:34
So I put the mark at 40 shot and I was like, oh, that's perfect.
42:38
It's going to be right in the middle.
42:39
And I just watch it go like way low.
42:42
And I got so lucky to hit his leg.
42:44
So I got a 5. I'd just love to know what
42:47
mental error happened in your brain.
42:50
It wasn't like you didn't dial. No, I I guarantee it's because
42:54
in the in the video I say like anything over 40 is marked.
42:57
And when I said the word 40I guarantee my mind just put it on
43:00
40. So anyway, I got lucky and got
43:03
A5 so I was like, OK, I can't, I can't mess around too much more.
43:08
That's not good. So then I pounded a whole lot of
43:10
10s. I was really happy with my
43:12
shooting. I did shoot one more five.
43:14
I was holding on long targets. I was holding the left side of
43:17
the 10, sometimes even further. And there's one particular
43:21
target I think was in the mid low 50s maybe.
43:23
So I was holding all the way. Like it was a narrow tall set of
43:28
rings like this. So they weren't wide, they were
43:30
tall. So I was actually holding like
43:32
just outside the eight line waiting for the drift in the
43:36
either the eight or the 10. And I didn't want to miss on the
43:38
right, so I shot and I've it hit exactly where the pin was in the
43:42
five on the roof. So I shot 2 fives that day out
43:45
of 40 handful with handful of eights maybe.
43:49
And Travis ended up having 12 points on me that day.
43:54
And I'm like, OK, in my head I'm like, it should only be 7, but
43:58
it's 12. So I got to make up 12.
44:01
So the next day Travis and I are of course flighted together in
44:03
the top flight and we start shooting and very first target I
44:06
shoot A5. Not a hard target I had the
44:08
range right I just for some reason hit left and it was it
44:11
was in it was unforgiving on the left right.
44:13
So I5 it, then I rail off a few 10's and then Travis shoots A5
44:18
and I shoot either A10 or an 8. I can't remember, but it was the
44:24
same goat that I had shot in the leg the day before and five.
44:27
So I'm like OK, well we should be pretty even now on the day.
44:32
So we shoot and like you said, first fourteen, we tally it up.
44:35
Travis got me by two. So I'm like we're just right
44:38
there. We shoot through the 2nd 14.
44:41
Felt like we're just matching 10s.
44:43
Same thing, he's up by two. We shoot the last 12 and I get
44:49
him by two, so in 40 targets on the second day we were two
44:54
points apart. So he ended up winning by 14.
44:57
But it wasn't because I shot poorly.
45:00
It was just like he we both shot really good and I couldn't make
45:04
it up. I was just like.
45:05
Yeah, it was session with No 12. And I would have lost.
45:08
I would have lost either way, because even if I didn't make
45:10
that dumb mental error on the sheep, I still would have been
45:13
down 9. So it's like it dumb man.
45:15
Even if that sheep and the five the more the morning of day 2,
45:20
that's 10 points you still would have been down. 44 Yeah, I still
45:23
would I still would have lost so Travis was just he was just
45:27
better this weekend and I'm not bummed he's good competition and
45:30
I love shooting with good shooters.
45:31
So shout out to him check out his channel deadhead archery.
45:36
Like I said, he's he's super impressive and it was a lot of
45:38
fun to finally shoot together because you know we're from a
45:40
similar area and have never actually got to shoot in a group
45:44
or compete. So it was really fun and keep it
45:46
tight was was pretty cool so. But it's something to be said
45:50
also because we, you know, had a nod a little unlike my drop off
45:55
in score from day one to day 2. And the lady that I was shooting
45:59
with said it at the end, you know, she said Congrats or
46:01
whatever. And it was fun, you know,
46:04
getting to shoot with someone my age for once.
46:07
So she must shoot with like a lot of kids in one of her kids,
46:10
those kids she was with. And so it's interesting because
46:17
you, the the buddy we're going to Hawaii with, had made that
46:21
one statement about like, you know, you shoot and kind of hunt
46:25
with how the people you choose to shoot and hunt with.
46:29
Oh, yeah, yeah. I don't exactly remember how he
46:32
said it, but you know, that's about it to that effect.
46:35
And it was interesting because I noticed if at the end of the 14
46:41
where I was up 35 and then my sudden significant drop off in
46:44
score, I can remember the exact target.
46:47
And it was when, because there were only two of us in our
46:51
class, we had two kids that were not hers, but they were from her
46:57
archery range. So like, she shoots with them a
46:59
lot. She knows their parents.
47:01
And I think they were the only two boys in their youth class.
47:06
No, there's three of them, I think maybe, but so they got
47:12
paired with us and, you know, they're kids, they're teenagers
47:18
and you know, they're very good for their age.
47:22
But obviously, like, still like not outmatching, you know, my
47:26
score or her score. And it's so interesting how,
47:34
again, it's a mental game and kids being kids when they mess
47:39
up, like because they love archery, like they get so much
47:44
more mad, which some adults do too.
47:47
I used to be like that. And at one point I thought he
47:50
was going to throw his bow. He was mad and he'd storm off
47:54
and walk to the next target. And that was at the point that
47:59
it was walking around that corner to that buck dough or the
48:02
bedded buck. And the dough was at about 30
48:04
something. Target.
48:04
Yeah, I did 10 at both days, but that was a tough target.
48:08
I did 10 to day one, I think 5 did day 2.
48:13
And that was the immediate start of the next 14 targets because I
48:16
stopped concentrating on myself and I started walking this kid
48:21
through slowing down through a shot process, really thinking
48:24
about his his chosen score because he's also gapping pins.
48:28
Like kudos to him on his score just for gapping pins for a bow
48:32
that doesn't even go out to 60 lbs or to 60 yards.
48:36
And like he was just starting to rush and it was showing in his
48:41
score and he was so badly wanting to compete and make up
48:44
points on this kid he was shooting with.
48:47
But the other kid was just dialed mentally.
48:50
I mean he was calm as calm could be.
48:53
Like nothing bothered him even if he shot a poor score or or
48:58
target didn't faze him and you could see it in his shooting and
49:03
the other kid would get frustrated and go on a streak of
49:06
like 55500. But then when he would slow down
49:14
he would outshoot that kid every time, every single one.
49:17
So like overall, he was like mostly outpacing the kid, but
49:27
then it would have a poor streak.
49:28
And so he ended up only being after I started helping him.
49:36
He was he finished the day down one from the other.
49:43
Wow. But the day before he was down
49:47
10. So we ultimately ended up down
49:49
11 from the kid he was competing with.
49:52
But it says something about like when you're shooting with people
49:56
who don't shoot quite at your level, like you may not like put
50:00
in as much mental effort. And then on top of that, you're
50:03
distracted by like it was great to see him start to shoot better
50:07
and all of a sudden was out shooting this kid and ended up
50:11
only being down one and ended the last target with A10 and
50:20
outshot everybody else. But had he done that the whole
50:24
time? It was like, just goes to show
50:27
how much like you mentally can't check out like that or get
50:30
frustrated like that, but it also mentally shows how it
50:33
affects the person trying to help the other person.
50:36
Because you're not focused on your shooting.
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You're taking less time to focus on your yardage gas and less
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time in your draw cycle and and whatnot because you're you know,
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you're trying to get your shot off and go help him again at the
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next target, which I was happy to do.
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It was fun to see like right after that target was those two
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span of less than 20 yard TPL, you know, whatever targets and
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that. Reason and a Beaver.
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Yep, it was a Beaver and a goat the next day.
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I shot the Beaver. I tend it.
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I shot the Beaver as well. Did not.
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So I'm standing here is me. Here's the kid and I'm like
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slow, slow down. You know, you obviously know
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what the ardage is. So the only thing to prevent you
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from getting a 10 here is how quickly you get this shot off.
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He shoots the Beaver, tends it. I I look at this Beaver, I'm
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like, I see the line. It was very fresh.
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Yeah, it was, it was very, but there was 1 little cuft you
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could see in the white. Yeah, it was.
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Crisp, nice. It was a nice crisp brown
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Beaver. Thing was fresh.
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It was a fresh Beaver, Very clean, fresh, new unused Beaver.
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Had a nice color to it. Yeah, with a little strip too.
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Yeah, well, I saw it. Of color.
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I saw it. Yeah.
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So I tried to hold off that little tuft in the strip and
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yeah, fived it 5 to like 8 yard Beaver.
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And so that was where I was like oh boy.
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So then I went from that. I've fived a lot of Beavers in
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my day. Yeah, yeah.
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And then I zeroed right after that on that Jaguar.
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He's on the peak. Wasn't that one marked?
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Yes. How'd you 0 A marked?
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One and uphill, it was one of those sitting like upright,
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Yeah. And so uphill 50, I think it was
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50, I can't remember. It was over 50 and just uphill
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far with a broad head and I shot straight right where that leg
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comes down underneath it hit the rubber and of the target, you
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know, behind it, the bail. Oh you were shooting a new arrow
52:59
too? HLRHL R500 Spine Boutique wrap
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New boning Atlas veins that are freaking badass with the topo.
53:10
Just like on this sign you can't see in this video clip.
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You also need to build some arrows, but guys, don't you?
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Oh, you did that the other day. Baby guys, that's it.
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That's going to wrap it up. I'm cooked, I'm absolutely
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cooked. But we got a over an hour long
53:25
pod out and we have exciting stuff coming up.
53:29
So and you need to edit it and we need to pack and we need to
53:31
clean the house and I need to make a couple of thumbnails and
53:35
make some shorts and. 6:30 in the morning so we need to be the
53:38
airport around 5, which means we got to leave about 445 S we will
53:43
see you guys though, if you're listening to this we will be at
53:45
Pennsylvania tack and we will be at Boyne, Michigan tack and we
53:50
have a surprise trip after that that the footage will probably
53:53
remain on ausb in the safe for a while but when it comes out
53:57
it'll be really cool. So yeah, that's it.
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Pennsylvania and Boyne, we will be.
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Giving away a 3D. 3D pack at each at each.
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They will both be most likely used slightly.
54:18
They're brand new right now, but in order to get them there when
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you. In order to get them there, we
54:22
need to use them at the events. Like that's the only way we can
54:25
bring them in our travel and give them away.
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So they'll have three days of use on them is what it is.
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