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pretty girl politics: sabrina carpenter is man's best friend · gasp! the pod

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  Girl, hello. Right.
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  Hey Gaspers, welcome to GASP the pod, the podcast for the gays,
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  So Sabrina Carpenter is yet another celebrity in the last
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  few weeks to come under fire. But listen, I love the
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  discourse. So she came under fire after she
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  recently released her new album cover art for her new album,
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  Man's Best Friend after she released her single Manchild.
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  The album cover depicts Sabrina Carpenter on her knees,
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  presumably below a man, but it's unsure who this person is.
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  They're wearing a suit, right? And this person is holding her
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  hair in their hands. It's probably a man, right?
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  It's been criticized for misogynistic themes, with half
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  the Internet saying Sabrina Carpenter's cover is appealing
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  to the male gaze and the other half saying this is simply just,
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  you know, a product of sexual freedom and that Sabrina
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  Carpenter has, you know, the right to choose how she presents
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  herself and, like, you know, her kinks.
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  It is obvious now that the pop stars fans are split.
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  Is this scandal one that will be short lived?
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  Will it be a permanent stain on her reputation?
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  Is Sabrina rage baiting us? What does choice feminism have
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  to do with this? Is purity culture going too far?
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  We're going to dig into all of these questions because this
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  issue is bringing up a lot of topics that I think you know,
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  are relevant right now in our culture.
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  Feminism, choice feminism, purity culture, conservative
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  culture. We're going to unpack all of
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  this together. And listen, as someone who has a
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  gender studies degree, I do feel that I have the right to speak
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  OK, let's talk about all the Sabrina Carpenter stuff.
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  OK Sabrina has been through, like, one major controversy, and
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  that was the whole Olivia Rodrigo love triangle situation.
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  That was at the very kind of beginning of her music career.
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  Once she got big, she hasn't really had a scandal.
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  You know, she's been kind of perfectly marketing herself over
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  the last few years, kind of this perfect combination of like kind
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  of traditional, like 1950s curly pink and blue baby girl and then
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  also sexual. So you're kind of getting
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  conservatives and you're kind of getting progressives.
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  And obviously, she is obviously very progressive.
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  And I think she's by, in my opinion, she's attached herself
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  to Taylor Swift, which I do think they're very good friends.
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  But also it's kind of a good marketing decision.
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  The only Flack she's really gotten is from like people being
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  like, I should have brought my kids to this because this is too
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  sexual. Here's the thing, though.
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  In my opinion, this latest controversy over her album cover
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  is not about sex and her being sexual, but it's rather about
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  the degradation of women. And it does come at an
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  interesting time in our culture. And if you've been listening to
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  this pod a lot, you've heard me say it.
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  Culture is taking a conservative turn.
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  It's also taking a purity turn. What's interesting about this
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  situation is it could be conflated with sex, right?
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  It's not about the sex for me. And I really do appreciate that
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  she has not tried to purify that aspect of herself and that she's
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  not trying to like, hide behind innuendos.
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  Like she's very like she owns her sexuality, which I very much
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  appreciate. But this has another layer to
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  it. And it is important to get into
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  those layers. OK, And we will get into them.
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  So this album cover, it is her blow, a man on her knees, kind
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  of with her hand up, and this man is holding on to her hair.
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  Manchild. The song came out before the
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  release of the album cover. Manchild is one of the most
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  feminist songs ever. It's like so anti men.
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  It's more anti men than like Fletcher and JoJo Siwa and
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  fucking Clara and Billy Eilish right now.
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  So that very pleased with and a lot of people have said, OK,
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  maybe maybe like the album cover doesn't actually include all of
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  the context that will be provided with the album and it
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  will be a very man hating album. The issue is we don't have that
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  context yet. And unfortunately, when you
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  release something and you know you won't release the album
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  until a few months later, people are going to blindly make
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  judgments and you kind of have to know that that's the case.
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  So manchild came out and then this release of this cover art
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  and the album is called man's best friend.
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  That's another layer for me that I don't like because not only is
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  she like in this, you know, subordinate position and yes,
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  you know, kink is so valid, guys.
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  But when you are a pop icon, you are making statements in the
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  world and you can't assume that people are like going to be
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  like, oh, that's kink culture. It's it's symbolism, It's
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  imagery. And you are below a man who's
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  like holding on to your hair. You know, like you can't just
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  assume people are going to be like, oh, that's what she likes
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  in bed, because behind closed doors that does not have a
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  political meaning. But when it is on your album
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  cover, that is a statement and the personals political be.
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  Unfortunately, sex is political. Sex is very political.
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  Men have been using sex to make political statements for the
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  entire history of our existence. And then on top of that, when
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  you add in the fact that the album is called Man's Best
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  Friend, and you are showing yourself, kind of portraying
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  yourself as like a pet, as a dog below the man.
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  And then the next photo she had when she announced this was a
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  picture of a dog with a collar around it.
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  So it's like she's portraying herself as a dog, as man's best
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  friend, as a pet, as below him. Now, let's address the kind of
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  immediate response from a lot of carpenters.
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  You know, I identify as a Sabrina Carpenter fan, but I in
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  the same way that I'm a Taylor Swift fan.
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  I'm not blind. I don't want to blind follow
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  celebrity. So if I don't like something,
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  I'm not just going to turn on them and cancel them.
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  Like, but I think it's fair to have critical thinking and to
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  like share our real opinions. People who are trying to
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  criticize her over this and like point out, you know, their
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  issues with it. It doesn't mean that like, she's
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  going to be canceled or we think that she should like, not put
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  out any music and that she should hide under a rock and
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  die. OK.
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  It just means that like, we're calling her in raising some
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  questions. That's fair.
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  OK guys, like we need a middle ground between cancellation and
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  fan behavior. But anyways, fans immediately
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  defended this saying, guys, this is her irony.
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  This is her humor. Her entire career she's been
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  like very funny and comedic and things are very sarcastic.
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  That is very true. She's always very sarcastic and
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  she has a Clear History in her songs of being very man hating.
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  Like she kills men in her music videos.
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  That's what I love so much about her.
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  There is a huge chance that when this album is released, a lot of
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  contacts is brought in and like, we see that this is part of a
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  larger story. And maybe it's a woman holding
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  her hair and like, she comes out with love.
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  Maybe it's herself holding her hair.
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  Maybe it's her showing that oh, this is how men treat her.
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  But that's not how she sees herself.
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  And like, maybe this whole thing is ironic.
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  The problem is, is that when you release something with none of
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  the actual ironic components as part of it, even if you've had a
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  history of being funny, you can't like that's not ironic in
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  of itself. If the message is being missed
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  by half of the people that are your fans, like your fans are
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  missing the message. You didn't do it successfully.
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  And her response to kind of like the backlash of this, of being
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  like, Oh my God. Well, like, you know, people
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  will just want sex. Like they want it.
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  So I'm going to give it to them. And like, who cares?
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  It's like, these are your fans, though.
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  Like, I love you, Sabrina, but like, these are your fans.
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  I don't know. Think about your statement.
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  I think before you release that. It's not about the sex, at least
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  for me. It's not about the fact that,
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  like, she would be on her knees for a man in a sexual way.
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  That's not really the issue. It's the symbolism.
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  But yeah, when you don't include the ironic components and people
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  are kind of unclear with like, what the message is.
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  Like, yes, there's fans defending it being like, oh, it
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  could be this, it could be this. But the point is that no one
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  really knows what it is. And so the message is missed.
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  And is this rage bait? Did she put this out knowing
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  people would intentionally misunderstand it?
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  I kind of think that's highly likely.
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  This seems like something that she would do.
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  And like, I think it's fair to like put out something sexual
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  and like, who fucking cares? Like I'm never going to critique
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  a woman for portraying herself in a sexual way and reclaiming
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  that for herself. But the difference is this isn't
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  just sexual content. This isn't like risque content.
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  This isn't like, Oh my God, like this is so raunchy.
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  This is showing you in a subordinate position to a man.
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  And we are in Trump's America to the people that say, Oh my God,
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  pop stars, like should not be political.
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  And like, why are we looking to pop stars and influencers for
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  being political? Because they're culture
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  changers. They're change makers, guys like
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  in the 70s and 80s like we had there were it was very
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  influential when celebrities actually said something like
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  Prince. It's actually very important for
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  celebrities to be culture changers and especially when we
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  are in a fascist fucking regime. This is not 2012.
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  This isn't these aren't regular Republicans.
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  As Taylor Swift said when she used to be political.
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  We are in like a very huge turning point in America and in
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  the world right now. And like, when you are silent,
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  you are a part of it. And that's just the fucking
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  truth. Like, it's not that we're
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  looking for pop stars to like, get our information from, but
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  it's like we're sending people money.
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  We want to know like if they're feminist or not.
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  And that's so fair. OK, guys, we are in a culture
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  right now where men are quickly becoming in cells.
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  And if men look at this image and they're not challenged by it
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  and they're like, love this, love this.
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  That's the fucking problem. OK, She can totally be neutral,
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  but then that's just not like what I think a lot of fans
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  thought she was. She's going to lose fans based
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  on that. So it's like, does everything
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  have to be feminist? No, but this is not just like
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  not feminist. It's kind of against it.
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  And again, we don't have the whole context for it.
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  And perhaps that will change it. But in the meantime, men love
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  this. Based on her past art she's put
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  out, I don't think she likes when men are happy.
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  I don't like when men are happy. So what the fuck is going on?
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  I just don't think the like rage bait and like her getting so
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  much attention off of this is worth what she's what she's done
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  and what she's put out there. And kind of like, I don't know
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  if Alex Earl likes it. You're in the wrong, guys.
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  OK, We should be challenging norms right now.
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  Do I think she set women back 50 years?
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  No, not at all. But it's enough to criticize.
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  It's enough to call into question.
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  It's enough to like think about and pause about.
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  There's also people saying that. OK guys, the reaction to this is
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  actually just reaction to purity culture.
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  This is why this issue is very interesting, right?
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  Because there are feminists trying to argue on both sides of
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  this coin. There's feminists saying this is
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  misogynistic imagery, which I think I would agree with.
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  And there's also feminists saying no, this actually pushes
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  against purity culture. Here's where I agree and
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  disagree with the statement. Yes, it's pushing against purity
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  culture, but purity culture is not the only form of the
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  patriarchy. The patriarchy is also this
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  degradation, the sexual degradation of women.
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  Yes, it's pushing against kind of a conservative, tried wife
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  1950s patriarchy with this sexual scene and her sexual
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  jokes and being like a woman can be sexual.
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  However, it's also appealing towards abusive men.
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  Do I understand that sex like this when you are like into
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  kinks, do I think that that is inherently problematic?
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  No. Again, the issue is the fact
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  that you are branding your album with that.
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  And if you're OK with people missing that message, that's a
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  problem too. So it's like there's not,
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  there's not just one form of the patriarchy.
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  There's not only one form of like, subordination, like, So
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  yes, there's definitely purity culture going on, which I love
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  that she's pushing against, but also at the expense of pushing
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  herself into this imagery of like a man, like holding onto
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  her hair and she's on her knees below him at a time when Trump
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  is president. And this is like the general
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  image you're pushing for your album.
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  Like, I don't think that's worth it.
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  There's a way to be sexual without appealing into the type
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  of sexual degradation and kind of rape culture that also
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  appears in like, porn, right? Like in the same way, it's like,
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  OK, not all porn should be fucking banned, but you have to
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  think about what type of content you are producing and how that
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  affects the world. That is just the world we live
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  in. And we don't live in a vacuum.
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  Like if you take this out of the context of misogyny, so fair.
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  Like, that's her kink. Like whatever.
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  But we don't live in that world. So sorry guys.
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  Like we just don't live in that world.
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  Do I think she should be cancelled?
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  No. And again, I'm sure the album
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  will come with more context and like perhaps it'll make more
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  sense. I just don't think this bit of
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  time of rage baiting is worth it.
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  OK, let's talk about choice feminism.
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  So I've seen this come up a lot. And remember guys, not to brag,
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  but I do have a gender studies degree, so I do feel like I can
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  talk about this and have an academic educated opinion on it.
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  OK. Feminism is not just women doing
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  whatever they want without being criticized.
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  I'm seeing a lot of people saying we're only going after
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  the women. We're not going after men.
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  We are able to do multiple things at the same time.
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  We are able to do multiple things at the same time.
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  Women, you do have to think about your actions and how the
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  patriarchy is influencing your decisions.
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  You have to think about that because culture raises US.
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  Social norms raise us. If you don't unpack that, you
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  can't just say everything you do is feminism in the same way that
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  like if you get plastic surgery, that's not necessarily feminism.
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  You have the ability to choose, but that doesn't mean you
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  choosing to do something as feminism.
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  OK, what is feminism? It is pushing against a
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  patriarchal society that deems women as less important and
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  unequal in political senses and social senses, in economic
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  senses and just in every sense. So if you are not pushing
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  against a structure that is put in place in order to push women
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  as unequal, that is not feminism.
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  And if you say everything is choice feminism, that means that
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  women could choose to say, oh, I don't think women should vote.
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  That's why we have to be careful about what feminism is.
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  And I do think it's also a lot of people that have never
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  actually cared about what what feminism is that are all of a
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  sudden trying to say like, this is feminism.
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  No, in the same way that like, you know, you can be
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  internalized homophobic, you can be internalized sexist.
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  So women are not just like removed from the ability to be
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  criticized because you are a woman.
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  Men. OK, guys.
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  She's a person who is still also influenced by these structures,
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  right? We have to think about like, the
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  decisions we're making, like and like how we are being impacted
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  by society. Choice feminism is not really
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  feminism, and it's not really radical and it's not really
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  pushing anything besides kind of excusing yourself and others
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  from doing the inner work. OK, do I think everything has to
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  be radically feminist all the time?
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  Like, no, but this isn't just not radically feminist Sabrina
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  Carpenter's album, it's the opposite.
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  You know what I mean? So I think that's really the
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  issue here. Again, you don't have to be
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  radically feminist in every single part of your life, but
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  you do have to recognize that not everything you choose to do
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  is inherently feminism. And like, that's fine to accept
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  that. Like, I've gotten lip filler
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  before. Do I think that that's feminist?
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  No. I understand that I'm trying to
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  appeal to a standard of beauty and that that still affects me.
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  You know, you can still do it. But I'm also not, like, telling
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  the world I think we should all get lip filler.
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  Does this analogy make sense? In the same way Sabrina
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  Carpenter can be on her knees for a man.
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  Do I think that she should put this on album cover and like
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  promote that? No.
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  Do we see a distinction? You have to acknowledge what
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  actions you're taking and like what is being pushed by the
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  patriarchy and unlearn, not yourself.
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  Are women the problem? No.
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  But we can also call in other women and be like girl, hello,
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  right? Like what are we not getting you
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  guys? It's just not the time in the
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  world to be on your knees for a man on an album cover, let alone
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  in your own fucking room. Sorry.
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  And if you want to excuse yourself from that culture and
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  the system that we're living in right now, feel free.
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  But like, we're going to end up in a very bad place, worse than
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  we already are. Like, guys, we are really losing
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  our rights fucking dramatically. So, like, does this scare you?
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  Culture is always surrounded by political context.
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  And we are not in Obama's America.
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  We are not in Kamala Harris's America.
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  And even in those systems, there would still be issues.
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  But like, we're in a very bad place.
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  This is just not the time. And also I'm seeing a lot of
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  people being like, guys, don't criticize her, whatever.
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  Like women are not the point of the issue.
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  But also guys, white women, we are kind of, we do need to be
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  called out. And a lot of people are saying,
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  OK, race has nothing to do with this.
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  It actually does because patriarchy is also
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  intersectional with racism. OK, White women are the ideal
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  standard of beauty. So if white women are not
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  pushing against the system, that does not benefit us, even though
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  I think we think sometimes it does.
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  We are falling victim. We are falling into their
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  fucking little hands. OK, So race actually does have a
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  lot to do with this. Is this episode me just kind of
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  yelling? I don't know.
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  It's like, I understand there's some people that are like, this
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  is not that big of a deal. And I understand that.
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  It's not like she is not conservative herself.
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  But you have to also think about how your art, when you're that
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  big of a person, contributes to like a larger culture.
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  You have to think about what conservatives are thinking about
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  you and what men are thinking about you.
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  You have to think about, wow, a lot of men love this.
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  Do I want that to be the case? And if she wants that to be the
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  case, then that's fine. But then we just don't agree
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  politically and we are just not in the same wavelength.
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  And then you were just totally fine living in a patriarchal
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  world. And maybe you are, I don't know.
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  But I think that if you don't want to live in a patriarchal
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  world, it's more than just politics, culture and music.
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  And like, film and everything shapes how people feel about
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  things. And we are descending quickly
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  into a conservative culture that I feel like you should want to
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  push against that if you're an artist.
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  And if that's what you care about, you can be reclaiming
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  your sexuality and, like, you know, not necessarily prude and
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  not be putting out images that promote the degradation of
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  women. That is possible.
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  You can be kinky and not promote the degradation of women.
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  And yes, that is not necessarily an abusive image we see, but
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  there's a lot of people that can't tell the difference
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  between that, especially men. We don't have the context to be
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  like, this is kinky and this is has nothing to do with men being
• 22:40
  more powerful than women and like forcing women to do stuff.
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  And there's a lot of conflation between those two things.
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  We've also seen a lot of people talk about like Lolita
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  references and Sabrina Carpenter's music and imagery
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  over the last few years. And I don't know much about
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  this. And Lolita is like a movie about
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  a sexual relationship between an adult man and an underage girl.
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  And apparently, you know, some fans are calling her out by
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  saying her imagery is strikingly similar to that movie.
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  I've seen the comparisons and I understand where people got that
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  from. Sabrina Carpenter apparently
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  just hit back. This is from up Rocks and says,
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  quote, I've never seen this movie.
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  It's never been on my mood board and never would be.
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  And I kind of, I do believe her on that.
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  I don't. I think you'll be really strange
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  and weird for her to intentionally do that, and I
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  don't know why she would ever do that unless she was fucking sick
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  and crazy. So I guess I just don't want to
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  assume the worst. But I also think a lot of the
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  imagery is just like sexual in nature.
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  But yeah, I don't think that she intentionally, I don't think the
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  Lolita part is like part of my issue, honestly, like nothing to
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  do with my issue. But yeah, to summarize, listen,
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  not everything has to be radically feminist.
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  However, I would say in these times, you at least need to be
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  not pushing the degradation of women.
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  You at least need to be neutral in your imagery.
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  You don't have to be pushing the boundaries all the time and
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  being like everything is so feminist if you don't want as a
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  pop star. But like when you put on an
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  image that you know, puts women in a subordinate position that
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  looks like a man pulling a woman's hair and a woman's on
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  her knees and the time of Trump's America, do you really
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  need this right now? Could you have just promoted
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  this being just sexual without this?
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  I just think that's very fair criticism.
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  And it doesn't mean that we need pop stars to be like
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  politicians. It's fair for us to want
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  celebrities to be be on the right side of history.
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  And I do think she's progressive.
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  I do think she's liberal. But I feel like a lot of
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  celebrities we forget are so focused on their own fame and
• 24:53
  their own attention that they don't really care because all
• 24:56
  press is good press in their opinion.
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  And she knew she was going to get a lot of backlash.
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  And I think that she's absolutely going to clear this
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  up. It's going to make sense.
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  There's going to be contacts or she's going to be like, this is
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  how they treat me. And everyone's going to be like,
• 25:12
  Oh my God, guys, you shouldn't have freaked out.
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  We knew this was going to happen.
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  Like now it all makes sense. All these people were too woke,
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  too woke. And that doesn't even matter
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  because that's months from now. And for a few months, we're
• 25:27
  sitting with this image that in sells love and feminists hate.
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  Is that worth it? I don't think so.
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  So again, I don't think she should be cancelled, but I think
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  it's very fair for us to be like, don't love that, don't
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  love that. And that doesn't mean it.
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  We're trying to be too pure. Nuance, guys.
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  Nuance, OK? Celebrity culture these days is
• 25:51
  just very interesting. Very, very interesting.
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  And why are all these celebrities fucking dropping the
• 25:57
  ball? All these celebrities that you
• 25:59
  would think would be feminist and queer are just dropping the
• 26:02
  fucking ball. Fletcher it's not her dating a
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  man guys, it's this marketing that sucks Sabrina marketing
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  that sucks Taylor Swift hanging out with MAGA.
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  Hello it's I don't love it don't love it.
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  Anyone has any suggestions for how we can like reclaim the last
• 26:20
  two weeks of pride month? Like I'm sick of hearing about
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  men. I literally just wanted one
• 26:25
  month where major pop stars were focused on pride.
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  It's like I just don't feel like anyone cares personally.
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  I've just been watching a lot of Trixie and Katya.
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  That's always very helpful. But yeah, let me know your
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  guys's thoughts. I want to hear from you.
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  Even if you disagree, let me know why you disagree.
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  I want to know why and I'll see you next week.
• 26:45
  Also, just a heads up, I will be taking a break for like I think
• 26:48
  a month. I'm still going to do bonus
• 26:51
  episodes for my subscribers because obviously, but I just
• 26:55
  need a little bit of break. That will be in July, just a
• 26:58
  heads up. So I'll have one more main
• 26:59
  episode after this. After Pride month, of course.
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  Happy Pride. Talk soon.
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  Bye.