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SPECIAL EPISODE: The State of the Banana Fish Dub · Michelle Explains Anime, Poorly

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  Speaker 1: Hey, it's your person, Michelle, and I'm just popping back
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  Speaker 1: in between you know, the shows that I do when
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  Speaker 1: I'm off to tell you about something. So basically, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just gonna do this thing where I like lead into
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  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, which is really stupid because you'll
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  Speaker 1: know from the title of the episode what this is about.
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  Speaker 1: But who cares. I was thinking about doing this, so
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  Speaker 1: I want to do it, so I'm gonna do it.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, I bet you don't know why I'm not
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  Speaker 1: into dumbs and that makes sense because I haven't told you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I might have said, like, well, it's not
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  Speaker 1: the original you know, dialogue format language that the director
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  Speaker 1: and everybody who worked on the anime wanted, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not ever going to completely get it right as to
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  Speaker 1: whatever the vision was. And that is absolutely true in
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  Speaker 1: my opinion. However, there's another reason that is insane. So
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you that because why the fuck not.
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  Speaker 1: So when I read, you know, like manga and shit,
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  Speaker 1: and I think this is most people or a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people, and also books, but I don't read a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like straight prose books. So when I read manga,
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  Speaker 1: like most of the time, especially if I'm really enjoying it,
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  Speaker 1: I can hear like the characters' voices in my head.
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  Speaker 1: So I have very specific ways that my brain tells
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  Speaker 1: me that the characters speak. And even you know, after
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  Speaker 1: I watch an anime, when I think about the anime,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of think about it in those voices because
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  Speaker 1: I can't really think about it in Japanese because I
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  Speaker 1: don't know enough Japanese. In my like, it wouldn't work.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't do that on purpose, it just kind
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  Speaker 1: of happens. So the issue with Dubbs is that, like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm really bad with faces and names, but I remember
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  Speaker 1: voices really well, and once it's in there, it's just
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  Speaker 1: in there. And I am terrified that when I hear
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  Speaker 1: a voice of a character that I really like dubbed,
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  Speaker 1: it's going to replace the voice that is already in
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  Speaker 1: my head for them. And I think that that's probably insane,
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  Speaker 1: but I really don't want that. But that is not
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  Speaker 1: the point of what I'm saying. So there's this episode
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  Speaker 1: of Futurama where Leela and Fry have like robot clones
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  Speaker 1: of themselves because there was this accident and they thought
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  Speaker 1: that they died, but they didn't die and for a while,
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  Speaker 1: like the clones didn't know that they were clones. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: their robots are not actually clones, but they find out
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  Speaker 1: at the end that they are robots because real Leela
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  Speaker 1: and Fry like come back and basically the end of
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  Speaker 1: it is like they go off and live together as
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  Speaker 1: just robots, and Leela is like, and the truth is
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  Speaker 1: I love Fry that Fry and she's talking about the
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  Speaker 1: robot and then Fry says, and I love Leela any Leila.
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  Speaker 1: That is how I fel. That is how I feel
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  Speaker 1: about ash Links from Banana Fish. Yeah, I just said that,
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  Speaker 1: So it doesn't even fucking matter who voices him. Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: I still think he's really cool. So what I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to say is I watched the first episode of the
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  Speaker 1: dub of Banana Fish, and I was surprised by how bad.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't think it was. Do I think it's great, No,
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  Speaker 1: But I thought I was gonna like need to cringe
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  Speaker 1: all the way through and like just fight through it.
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  Speaker 1: And I have reason why I would believe that because
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  Speaker 1: my second favorite anime, and you might not know this
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  Speaker 1: because has been a long time since I talked about it,
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  Speaker 1: is mob Psycle one hundred, which I've only watched subtitled,
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  Speaker 1: and at one point I was watching it with my
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  Speaker 1: mom and she said, Hey, what does the dub sound like?
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  Speaker 1: So we decided just to like briefly watch the first
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  Speaker 1: episode dubbed, and it like destroyed my confidence in the world.
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  Speaker 1: I hated it. And normally when I I really really
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  Speaker 1: like something, like, I just said, like, I want my
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  Speaker 1: vision of what it is in my head and I
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  Speaker 1: don't want that changed. So I did not expect to
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  Speaker 1: go into the Banana Fish dub thinking anything other than wow,
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  Speaker 1: that really hurt my feelings. But yeah, I was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit surprised that I had a really fun time
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  Speaker 1: with the episode. Like luckily this does not happen when
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  Speaker 1: I watch anime around other people, but when I watch
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  Speaker 1: it alone, especially if it's really upsetting, I just giggle
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  Speaker 1: all the way through it. So I was just giggling
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  Speaker 1: the whole time like a crazy person. And I wish
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  Speaker 1: I didn't just tell you that. And there were some
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  Speaker 1: like really high points in the cast, and I kind
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  Speaker 1: of just wanted to talk to you about what I thought.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm gonna come back and
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  Speaker 1: finish this up before I said it, and watch like
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  Speaker 1: another episode or two, because I'm supposed to watch this
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  Speaker 1: with my mom, so I might or you might just
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  Speaker 1: hear me talking about the first episode. So let me
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  Speaker 1: get to just talking a lit little bit about the cast. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's stop right there. It's a week later, and this
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  Speaker 1: is the week that this airs now, and I actually
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  Speaker 1: watched the next two episodes, so I've seen up through
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  Speaker 1: episode three now, so I want to talk about those two,
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  Speaker 1: and I also want you to understand that that means
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  Speaker 1: I've been working on this for like a solid week now,
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  Speaker 1: and I had time to go back and edit this
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  Speaker 1: to make this less embarrassing. I didn't, so there's something
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  Speaker 1: wrong with me. But anyway, yeah, I liked episode two
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  Speaker 1: and three a little bit less than I liked the
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  Speaker 1: first episode voice acting wise, I mean, but I'm still
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  Speaker 1: gonna go through this, and I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the voice actors and which ones are doing like a
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  Speaker 1: really really good job and which ones I'm not super
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  Speaker 1: happy with. So let's actually do that. So for me,
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  Speaker 1: I think, like the bright spot, like the absolute you
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  Speaker 1: know voice actor that I think is crushing it the
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  Speaker 1: hardest so far is probably Dino Goldzinai's voice acting Christopher Swindle,
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  Speaker 1: and before I see anything else, you may have noticed
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  Speaker 1: I pronounced his last name different. That's because I was
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  Speaker 1: just fucking wrong about i'd pronounce it. When I heard
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  Speaker 1: it in episode two, I got a little freaked out
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  Speaker 1: because I was like, what do you mean I'm saying
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  Speaker 1: his name wrong? What do you mean it's goal zena.
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  Speaker 1: So then I was like, well, just because this person
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  Speaker 1: said it doesn't mean it's true. And then I was
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it and I was like, I bet it's
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  Speaker 1: goal scene because I don't know why I'm even saying goal, see, like,
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  Speaker 1: just because that's what it looks like to me. So
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  Speaker 1: then I went and I checked the Banana Fish Official
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  Speaker 1: Guidebook in Japanese, so I can't read it really, but
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  Speaker 1: of course I can read some kata khana and hiti ghana.
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  Speaker 1: So I looked for Dino's name because I was like,
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  Speaker 1: that will solve it, because you can just have an
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  Speaker 1: N at the end of a word like a hida
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  Speaker 1: ghana or kata kana character for N, so it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: need to have an E at the end or anything
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  Speaker 1: if it's just goal scene. And I was wrong there's
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  Speaker 1: a NA at the end, so it is Goalzene. So
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  Speaker 1: I apologize for fucking that up for twenty six episodes
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  Speaker 1: of the show. Yeah, I am lucky that I never
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  Speaker 1: said that I was gonna do a good job on
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  Speaker 1: this show, but now you know it's probably Goalzine and
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  Speaker 1: not Goalzceine. Fuck me. But anyway, honestly, he kind of
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  Speaker 1: scared the shit out of me. The interactions in the
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  Speaker 1: first episode between Dino and Ash made me like incredibly uncomfortable,
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  Speaker 1: like much more than I'm used to, and I'm pretty
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  Speaker 1: used to them making me very uncomfortable. So I was
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  Speaker 1: like super impressed. He's got like a very flat delivery.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't mean flat, like unemotional exactly. I mean
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  Speaker 1: like he seems just based on his delivery, like he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like he's a scary guy, which is upsetting
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  Speaker 1: to me because what he's saying isn't like not okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought he's doing a really good job. As
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  Speaker 1: for other cast people who I thought did a really
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  Speaker 1: good job, yeah, the next person is Arthur's voice actor,
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  Speaker 1: Pearson Fode, who I think has like basically no voice
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  Speaker 1: acting credits, and I think he's perfect for Arthur, I
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  Speaker 1: really do. I think he's doing a great job. He's
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  Speaker 1: pretty much exactly like what I think Arthur would sound like,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm really happy about that. Other than them, Skip's
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  Speaker 1: voice actor, who you know isn't in a lot obviously,
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  Speaker 1: Levi MiNet. Maybe he is fucking great. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: just thought he did a really really good job with Skip.
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  Speaker 1: Sounded totally natural. I really really liked him. Those are
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  Speaker 1: my big Like, I really like these people. I'm really
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  Speaker 1: glad that they are in the roles that they are in. Oh. Also,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Meredith's voice actor Richard Epcar, I'm not sure I'm
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  Speaker 1: sold on his delivery, but his like the tone of
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  Speaker 1: his voice is perfect, so that's working for me. As
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  Speaker 1: for things, I'm not super happy about Charlie's voice and
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  Speaker 1: Jenkins's voice, I'm just not I'm not feeling it. I'm
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  Speaker 1: kind of conflicted on how I feel about Max's voice.
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  Speaker 1: That's Keith Silverstein. I don't think he's doing a bad job.
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  Speaker 1: He just doesn't sound like Max to me exactly, but
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  Speaker 1: that to me problem. Also Shorter is Daniel Kim, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he's doing fine. Like I'm not super super
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  Speaker 1: in love with his delivery or anything, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: have any problems with it either. Moving on from there,
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  Speaker 1: the people that, of course are the biggest part of
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  Speaker 1: Banana Fish that you really would hope would have solid
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  Speaker 1: fucking voice actors are of course Ash and ag As
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  Speaker 1: For Ash, I am kind of conflicted here because, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, I like any Ash, probably maybe not Ai Ash.
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  Speaker 1: He was a little weird, but pretty much any other Ash.
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  Speaker 1: And I know from like, you know, Twitter posts and
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  Speaker 1: shit like that that his voice actor, Brandon mckinnis, was
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  Speaker 1: really really into this, and I appreciate that intensely, so
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  Speaker 1: I want to give him like props and I want
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  Speaker 1: to like his work because he like, really really cared
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  Speaker 1: about this, and I think I mentioned it in a
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  Speaker 1: previous episode that wasn't totally about Banana Fish, that he
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  Speaker 1: was like journaling as Ash and shit like that. But
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  Speaker 1: he also like he's he's doing some like methody shit,
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  Speaker 1: Like he said he was holding his hands up in
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  Speaker 1: episode nine, you know when Ashes like chained and like that.
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  Speaker 1: He actually cried during the scene when Shorter died and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought that was really fucking cool. He also
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  Speaker 1: pushed really hard to get more curses in the anime
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  Speaker 1: to get Ash to say fuck more, which makes me
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  Speaker 1: like the happiest person in the world as someone who
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  Speaker 1: was really afraid that the dialogue was gonna be toned down.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why I was afraid of that, but
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  Speaker 1: I was really afraid. I know, for instance, that the
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  Speaker 1: manga dialogue, I mean, even in Japanese, is a lot
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  Speaker 1: more pointed, and Ash is a lot more foul mouth
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  Speaker 1: than he is in the anime, but I kind of
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  Speaker 1: thought that maybe the dub would be even a step
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  Speaker 1: down from that. So the scene to go back the
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  Speaker 1: other way and to get some fucks in there makes
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  Speaker 1: me like, really really happy. I mean, he had said,
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  Speaker 1: like in like a tweet or something that like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: no one who's gone through what Ash has gone through
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  Speaker 1: is gonna like watch his language, and I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a fair statement. I mean, but also, he's a seventeen
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  Speaker 1: year old in a gang, so I would be really
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  Speaker 1: surprised if he's not cursing. And actually I told my
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  Speaker 1: mom about this and she was like, well, he lives
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  Speaker 1: in New York, so I guess that also plays in there.
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  Speaker 1: But whatever, So I was really happy about that. I'm
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  Speaker 1: really happy about his dedication. As for the actual voice
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  Speaker 1: acting job that he's doing, I think he did okay.
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm not totally sold. In these three episodes that
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  Speaker 1: I've seen, at least there have been some really nice
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  Speaker 1: high points, especially in episode one when he was kind
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: of like egging on Marvin the second time he did it.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I would be pissed off if I
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  Speaker 1: was Marvin two, which is pretty good because normally when
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  Speaker 1: anime characters get pissed off because someone says something, I'm like,
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: come on, no one would be pissed off of that.
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  Speaker 1: So he would have gotten under my skin too. So
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  Speaker 1: I liked that a lot. And there was kind of
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  Speaker 1: like a flirtiness to him in that first episode that
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  Speaker 1: was perfect. As for episodes two and three, there just
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  Speaker 1: wasn't as much that I liked. But it takes a
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  Speaker 1: while for Ash to get really noticeably vulnerable, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: willing to wait and see how this goes. As of like,
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  Speaker 1: the actual tone of his voice, eh, to me, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't quite work with what I want Ash to sound like.
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  Speaker 1: I always thought that Yuma Uchidah's voice was a little
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  Speaker 1: bit too low for Ash. I mean, at least after
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  Speaker 1: I started reading the manga I did, so I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: looking for like another super low Ash voice. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of wanted Ash to have a little bit more grit
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  Speaker 1: to him voice wise, but you can't always get what
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  Speaker 1: you want ever. If you're me, so you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: okay with it for me. Kind of the voice actor
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  Speaker 1: that I am concerned the most about is, unfortunately aj
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  Speaker 1: O Komoto's voice. His voice actor is Jonathan Tanakaki, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't really get it. Unfortunately, Jonathan Tanagaki does not
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of voice acting credits. He is an actor,
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  Speaker 1: but voice acting and acting as it just your whole
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: physical body person thing, is a little different, and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: people who can do one can't really do the other.
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  Speaker 1: That well, I'm not saying he can't voice act. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just saying I don't know if it was a good
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  Speaker 1: idea to start him. I mean, I think he's done
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  Speaker 1: like a couple of video game roles, but I don't
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  Speaker 1: think it was a good idea to start him in
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  Speaker 1: like anime with like a do who is in all
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  Speaker 1: of the episodes and has to, you know, deliver some
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  Speaker 1: pretty emotional lines. I might get used to him, but
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  Speaker 1: as of right now, like I wasn't sold, and I've
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  Speaker 1: heard a couple of clips from later on, like an
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  Speaker 1: episode eleven that like made me really nervous about how
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  Speaker 1: well he was going to pull this off. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is kind of like the the pain point in
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  Speaker 1: this for me. But it's important to remember that, of
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  Speaker 1: course this is not going to be the best version
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  Speaker 1: of Banana Fish. It can't be. It was being done,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure with a very limited budget and also very
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  Speaker 1: limited time, So you can't expect this to be as
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  Speaker 1: good as the Japanese original. You just can't. And I've
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  Speaker 1: heard it said, like, you know, dubb should be getting better,
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: and I do agree with that in the idea that
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  Speaker 1: like anime has gotten a much wider audience in the
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  Speaker 1: last couple of decades, and I'd like to see the
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  Speaker 1: increased awareness you know, kind of invested in it, and
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  Speaker 1: studios and directors and whatever taking more time and care
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  Speaker 1: into making things in their own language that like really
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  Speaker 1: stand out. But like, as of right now, dubs are
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  Speaker 1: just what they are. They're okay, So yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where I'm going with this. The other thing that
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  Speaker 1: like of course upset me, but I knew wasn't really
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen, is God damn it? Can we just have
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  Speaker 1: people who have the correct accents just once? Like, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying every character in Banana Fish needs to
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  Speaker 1: sound like they're from New York or from the mid
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  Speaker 1: Atlantic somewhere, but some of them probably should. I kind
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: of feel like Dino gets a pass because I don't
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  Speaker 1: quite know his background, and Ash could also get a
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  Speaker 1: pass too, because A he's not from New York and
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  Speaker 1: B He's been around Dino and probably expected to speak
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  Speaker 1: in a very specific way. So I'm gonna give him
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  Speaker 1: a pass even though I don't want to. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna be nice. But most of the rest of the cast,
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  Speaker 1: especially like Jenkins and Charlie and any other cops we see,
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  Speaker 1: people like Skip definitely shorter, and most of like the
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  Speaker 1: kind of street punk gang people, they really really should
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  Speaker 1: have New York accents. Maybe not like Max, because I
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  Speaker 1: think he's from Philly if I'm remembering from the manga correctly,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe he should sound a little bit more like me.
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  Speaker 1: Not that I sound like I'm from Philly completely, but
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  Speaker 1: like it just would have been nice, It would have
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  Speaker 1: like elevated things a little bit. But like I said,
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  Speaker 1: like three minutes ago, I'm pretty sure this is made
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  Speaker 1: on a budget, limited time, so I get it. But
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  Speaker 1: I would have like just been like the most happy
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  Speaker 1: person in the world if they had attempted that. Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Besides that, speaking about the actual script in the dub,
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  Speaker 1: there are some breakpoints and some sore spots there as well.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously there were changes, like dialogue is being like localized,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: which can be good or bad. In this case because
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  Speaker 1: it is set in the US, localization is very very
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  Speaker 1: good as long as it's done not stupid. So there
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  Speaker 1: are a couple of times that I was really really
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  Speaker 1: happy with the way things were changed, in a couple
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  Speaker 1: where I wasn't. So, first of all, I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about the thing. There was only one time that
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, really, that's that's stupid, basically,
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  Speaker 1: and that was in episode two when Ash is in
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  Speaker 1: the hospital and Charlie's talking to him, and Charlie's trying
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: to get him to, you know, basically explain like what
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  Speaker 1: he has, what does he have on Dino? How are
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  Speaker 1: we going to bring him down? And Ash does not
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: want to talk to Charlie because Ash doesn't like cops,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: and Ash doesn't believe Charlie could help him, so Ash
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  Speaker 1: is trying to end the conversation, and in the dub
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  Speaker 1: Ash says, go on, Jayla, powerless kid without the money
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  Speaker 1: and influence to protect himself, which sounds fine until you
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: realize that the actual Japanese is something more like lock
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: me up for murder if you want. I'm just another
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  Speaker 1: worthless hoodlum. Anyway, now he is basically saying the same
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: thing in both He's saying just throw me in jail,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not worth anything. But to me in the English,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: like that is too in depth, like it's too much
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: of almost like this is supposed to be a teachable
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: moment for Charlie, like don't forget I'm just some helpless kid.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Like Ash is never gonna say that, like no, because
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: he doesn't want Charlie to empathize with him in this situation.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: He wants Charlie to leave, and he also kind of
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: hates himself, so for him to just be like, hey,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I'm just another fucking hoodlump. Just get out of here,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: much better and much more pointed, And I really don't
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: like this change. It just it feels really on the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: nose in not a way that should be on the nose,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: and I'm not saying banana fish isn't blunt with what
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: it's trying to say. A lot of the time, I'm
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: just saying here it was blunt in the wrong way.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: So that's the thing that sticks with me as so far,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I was just like, man, I wish they didn't do that.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Everything else has been basically fine, and some things have
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: been actually good. So the one thing that I should
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: probably say because I'm seeing it talked about online again
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: and I just wish people knew, but they don't know.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: And We've talked about this before because I extensively researched
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: it because I'm insane. Is in episode one, Ash is
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: talking to Marvin and he says slur. I guess I'll
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: just say it. He says fag and I was like really,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: So I looked into it and obviously that's not what
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: he's saying. He's saying guessuyato, which means scumbag basically, or
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: you know, something like that. It's not a derogatory poke
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: at somebody's sexuality. So that has always been a big
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: point of contention for me in the subtitles because it
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, like you can be like, well, that
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: was really upsetting. So I liked it, Yes, but it's
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: not said. It's not in the spirit of what's being
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: said either. So in the Doug we got sleees bag here,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: and I could have like stood up and clapped. So
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I know that that doesn't feel as mean and vicious
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: as you know, saying a slur there. But the slur
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: was wrong, so I'm glad it's not being perpetuated. And yeah,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody correct any of these people who
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: are like I wish that he said it, and I
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: thought of doing it, but I don't really like talk
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: on the internet to people because it's scary. So I
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: have it, but if you want to, please do anyway.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: So there's that. That's probably what made episode one so
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: good for me, just not having that anymore. And then
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: there are a couple of times in episodes two and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: three that I was also like, yay, so first I'll
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: talk about the part in episode three because it's just
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: not that big of a deal. In episode three, Ash
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: gets thrown in solitary confinement and then he comes out
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and they're talking about it and they call it their
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: repentance cell, and I was like, that's not a thing
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: in America. We would never call it that. So they
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: just changed it to solitary confinement or solitary or whatever
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: they said. So I was like, yay, that's perfect. And
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: then in episode two there were a couple of changes
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to Evenstein's dialogue that made me like so uncomfortable that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I was like excited about how upset I was, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: they unfortunately would have made me understand immediately what was
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: going on, because if you remember, I was like, I
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: don't really know what hustling means, Like it could mean
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: like anything to me, like making a lot of money,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like tricking someone at pool so you could make money
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: from them, but like prostitution is like in there, but
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: like we weigh in the back for me, so like
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't connect it right away. So the dub basically
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: solved that. And if you remember, in the manga, they
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: just translated to turning tricks, and I was like, oh, prostitution.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: So in the anime, now we have the original version.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Evenstein said, at least what we have in the subtitles
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: was just hope you're not hustling anymore. In the anime,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: now we have not still hustling. I hope. I mean,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a girl's got to make a living, and I would
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: have gotten it right then. So I actually really really
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: liked that and it made me uncomfortable, and I thought
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: it was perfect and mean, really really mean, I don't
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: like Evenstein, but you already know that, or Evenstein? How
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: come I don't know how to pronounce his name anyway?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: And then slightly further on in that interrogation, there's a
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: spot where he says in the subtitles, that's who is
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: in it? Ash, how old were you then? Ten eleven?
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: A little older in The Dove? Now we get say
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: he looks familiar, does any Ash? How old were you
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in this one? Ten? Maybe eleven twelve? Tough to say
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you've always looked so young? Fuck. So I just thought
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that those were both really really good improvements on the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: dialogue basically, and it's weird that those are the ones
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm highlighting, but they are all of this to say
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that I am really excited about actually watching The Dove, which, yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: it's weird for me, but apparently I just like this
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that much that it's just okay. So if you haven't
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: seen Banana Fish and you've been putting it off because
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: you don't read subtitles because you don't like too, or
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you can't or something. Now it's the time where you
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: can watch it and it's not an Ai dove anymore,
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: so good for you. And honestly, even though it will
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: never be as good as the original Japanese dialogue version,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: if it even gets one more person to watch Banana
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Fish and cry about it, I would gladly take it,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and also take that weird thing that's happening in my
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: brain where I can kind of hear Brandon mckinness's voice
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: as Ash, which I don't like because I already have
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: a set voice in my head as Ash. I will
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: take it if just a few more or even one
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: more person can cry about Banana Fish. And that's really
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: all I wanted to say here, which is insane. So
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna end with this. If you're watching the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Banana Fish dub and you want to tell me about
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: how you feel about it, please go ahead. You can
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: email me. In the show notes, it says my email.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: It's like Michelle starts with Michelle, so you'll know when
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: you see it. You email me and you say, Michelle,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I thought the dub was great or terrible or I
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: didn't understand anything you said in this podcast, or I'm
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: scared of you. Now just tell me you can't. You're
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: a person and you have ways to communicate. I guess
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: thing that I also would like your opinion on is,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: as I said, you know, a couple of minutes ago,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to watch the dub with my mom, because
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: we started watching Banana Fish a couple of months ago
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: or a year or two ago, and she's seen all
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: of six episodes so far. And my family and I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: when I was like a kid, we all used to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: just like sit around and watch anime together, mostly subtitled,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: so she like watches it subtitled, but she gets really
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: tired when she has to look at subtitles, so she
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: fell asleep through like a couple episodes in the middle.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: So she got like all excited and like, we're gonna
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: just watch the dub together and that's gonna be awesome,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: and hopefully we can do that soon and get through
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: at least a bunch of episodes so I can say
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: things like, ah, this happened, and I'm sad and I
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: want to talk to you about it, and instead of
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: being like, oh, Michelle, I don't know why you are
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: talking to me about things I don't understand. She could
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, I totally understand that, Michelle, and you're
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: still weird. But what I'm trying to say is I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: was thinking of, and I'm not sure she's going to
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: go for this, but I was thinking of having her
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: do like an episode with me where we just kind
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: of talk about how she feels about banana fish. If
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that's something you'd like to hear, which is you know,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: me talk to my mom, which you don't know probably
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: unless you are someone who knows me in real life
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and knows my mom, would you like that? Do you
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: think that would be fun? I think if you are
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: listening to this, you probably remember I talked to my
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: friend Enrique on this podcast about banana fish and he
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: had some really mean things to say about ash. But
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: do you want to hear my mom talk about it
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: with me? Let me know by like doing that thing
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: where you use your computer and then you email me
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: thoughts and maybe prayers. But that's really all I have.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: And I will see you next month for number six
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I hope you have and are having a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: really good whatever, And later weeps