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Tangent of Dreams - EP510 · WoT Spoilers

• 0:12
  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time Spoilers podcast. All right, everyone,
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. We are here today to record.
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  Speaker 1: I can't decide if we should call it Knife of
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  Speaker 1: Tangents or Tangent of Dreams. I'm not sure which one
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  Speaker 1: hits better, but either way, we're doing our Knife of
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  Speaker 1: Dreams Tangent episode. And for this we always do between
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  Speaker 1: episodes we do a sort of a retrospective of like
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  Speaker 1: everything that was in the book and everything that's happened
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  Speaker 1: in our lives, everything, some stuff that's happened in our lives,
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  Speaker 1: just kind of what's been going on since the last
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  Speaker 1: time that we recorded. And so Seth was unable to
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  Speaker 1: be here. Something came up, and so I looked back
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  Speaker 1: at our guest list and I grabbed our guest who
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  Speaker 1: was with us in January, well one of them. We
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  Speaker 1: actually had lots of guests in January, but I got
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  Speaker 1: one of our January guests, Steve Barnestown, fellow podcaster.
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  Speaker 2: So welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, I'm here. Thank you very much for having me.
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  Speaker 3: This is great.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you were able to make it on short notice.
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  Speaker 3: It wasn't short notice, it was a week a week notice.
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  Speaker 3: That's fine. And I mean, I say, the only thing
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  Speaker 3: better than being asked on a podcast is being asked
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  Speaker 3: to come back on a podcast. So that's like a
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  Speaker 3: real like treat. So I mean, it's it's wonderful. This
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  Speaker 3: is like maybe the fourth time we've talked, and this
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  Speaker 3: is awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, I'm I was.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at my guest list being like, ooh,
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  Speaker 1: this will be good, this will be good. Like we
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  Speaker 1: had a good time talking before. I know, you and
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  Speaker 1: Seth like went off for like a long time before
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  Speaker 1: I even showed up because I was having technical difficulties.
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  Speaker 1: So you know you're a fan of the podcast, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: I am.
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  Speaker 3: I've been a fan then since before you were in
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  Speaker 3: the picture. I think a lot of people here probably
• 2:02
  Speaker 3: are in the same boat too, because you were a
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  Speaker 3: fan of the podcast before you were in it as well.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I have a podcast too called Sweet Shot
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  Speaker 3: of Time, where the premise was supposed to be I
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: watch Wheel of Time, the TV show with my friend
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  Speaker 3: who hasn't read the books or knows anything about it,
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  Speaker 3: and we've kind of branched out from there. But a
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  Speaker 3: radio has been on that podcast. We watched the movie
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  Speaker 3: Time Bandits Together actually instead of doing the Wheel of
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  Speaker 3: Time television show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a weird walk down memory lane watching
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  Speaker 1: Time Bandits again. Yeah, it was very fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree, And like, let's see, it
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  Speaker 3: was January. It kind of seems like it wasn't that
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  Speaker 3: long ago. But like when I looked back on the year,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of stuff has happened since then.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 1: has happened. So yeah, let's let's just get into visiting
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  Speaker 1: this last year. Oh and I see in Chat we're
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  Speaker 1: getting Tangent of Dreams is getting up voted, so we'll
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  Speaker 1: probably go with Tangent. I don't know though, I might
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  Speaker 1: just flip a coin.
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  Speaker 3: I like Knife at Tangents. I'm gonna put my vote
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  Speaker 3: on that. I'm not able to do three things four
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  Speaker 3: things at once right now, So I'm sorry, Chat, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not with you, but put my vote in there for
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  Speaker 3: for Knife, for yet Knife at Tangents.
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  Speaker 2: That's what comes to my mind first.
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  Speaker 1: But regardless, Yeah, we started we started a Knife of
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  Speaker 1: Dreams in January, and that literally the prologue took us
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  Speaker 1: four episodes to get through. That is a big is
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  Speaker 1: a big intro prologue in the book. We got Galag
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  Speaker 1: killing Valda, Samarog visiting Soroth with news of the murder
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  Speaker 1: of the Imperial family of sean Chan, and Agwayne starting
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  Speaker 1: her imprisonment in the tower. Like that's where we started,
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  Speaker 1: all the way back in January. That feels like forever ago.
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember what I was doing in January. Like
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  Speaker 1: I think I was just hibernating.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know what you were doing in January?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean outside from doing your podcast. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'm in a perpetual state of podcasting, so I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: I was podcasting at that time. At that time, I
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  Speaker 3: was probably doing the television show Wheel of Time, don't
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  Speaker 3: I really don't. I really don't think I was, actually
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  Speaker 3: because I was doing Dark. I was doing the television
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  Speaker 3: show Dark, which is on Netflix. I know that twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four has been a significant year for me because
• 4:36
  Speaker 3: it's the first year I figured this out. It's the
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  Speaker 3: first year since two thousand and two that I haven't
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  Speaker 3: been like on dad duty. Where Like in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and two is when we joined cub Scouts with my son,
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  Speaker 3: and I was a Scout leader and so every week
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  Speaker 3: we had to plan stuff and he was a leader,
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  Speaker 3: and then we went through boy Scouts together and then
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  Speaker 3: my daughter got older and right around that same time,
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  Speaker 3: during that cusp, she got into roller skating. So now
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking her to practice and we're going to competitions
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  Speaker 3: and stuff, and that's been just my yearly cycle. Every
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  Speaker 3: year is like going to competitions or going to camping
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  Speaker 3: trips with Scouts. This is the first year that i
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  Speaker 3: haven't had to do any of that stuff, So I've
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  Speaker 3: really been laying low and having fun podcasting, reading a lot,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of television and movies. I got to recommend.
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  Speaker 3: I have a whole list of stuff to like recommend
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  Speaker 3: and go over with you already. I don't even know
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  Speaker 3: where to begin in the structure this, but I've got
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  Speaker 3: tons of stuff to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I mean I was podcasting for sure, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, look at my calendar, just like what
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  Speaker 1: was I doing. I don't know, I was just podcasting.
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  Speaker 1: I guess like Hot Nuance. I think Hot Nuance hadn't gone.
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  Speaker 2: On break yet.
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  Speaker 1: We took a break over the summer, which really hasn't
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  Speaker 1: come back yet, but Hot Nuance was definitely going at
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  Speaker 1: that point. Okay, I hadn't yet started, used to.
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  Speaker 2: Sew, that's a very recent edition. Did we do the
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  Speaker 2: show episodes this year?
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  Speaker 1: No? Had it been last?
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  Speaker 2: Was it this year?
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  Speaker 3: I thought you did, like some kind of retrospective of
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  Speaker 3: season two? I thought, I mean we did somebody in chat?
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  Speaker 1: Was that this year? Though, Like, there's no way that
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  Speaker 1: was this year?
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  Speaker 3: Within the last ten months? Quite possibly? Wow?
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  Speaker 2: Again, what is time?
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess we did our season two episodes,
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  Speaker 1: which I don't think. I don't know what we're going
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  Speaker 1: to do for season three.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you've been focusing on this book all year. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: this book has been it's a pretty heavy book. And
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  Speaker 3: then of Seth of course, you know, had his wedding.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, this has been like the year of the Knife,
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  Speaker 3: I guess for you.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the time Knife. We've all seen it. I
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: did not actually like finish The Good Place at all,
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  Speaker 1: but I did get far enough to get to the
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  Speaker 1: joke about the Time Knife. I just I don't like
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  Speaker 1: the format of like sitcommie kind of things like at all,
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  Speaker 1: And so with The Good Place using that as the
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  Speaker 1: template for like the jokes they're making, I'm like, you're
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  Speaker 1: working from a template of things I actively don't ingest, so.
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  Speaker 3: Like, sure, okay, I get.
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  Speaker 1: Like half of the humor, and then the other half
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  Speaker 1: is just like these are things I actively dislike. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: no shade to the show the good place. It's just
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  Speaker 1: like they're working in a genre that I'm just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like I was literally just on Blue Sky and someone
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  Speaker 1: was asking for like my favorite anime, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have one. I don't engage in
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  Speaker 1: anime Like Legend of Vox Makina is like the closest
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting right, and that is not anime. It's just
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  Speaker 1: anime tid.
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  Speaker 3: So I just wouldn't have a recommendation for animation for anime,
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  Speaker 3: just straight up wouldn't have one because I don't. I
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  Speaker 3: don't watch it or consume it. So I just had
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  Speaker 3: to say I'm sorry about that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just like, no shade to the genre. I
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  Speaker 1: just don't sure.
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  Speaker 3: Same with me too. It's a good premise of a show,
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  Speaker 3: and I like all those actors, especially Kristen Bell, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, didn't love the format. Like you said,
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  Speaker 3: it was a very sick, commie structured, you know, joke
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  Speaker 3: line joke line, so Yeah, it didn't really keep my
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  Speaker 3: interest either.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, we don't have to like all things, right.
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  Speaker 1: This is something I've feel like come to learn over
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  Speaker 1: the course of dealing with the Watch Show in particular.
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  Speaker 1: It's okay for us to like different things. It's a
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  Speaker 1: fine and normal human experience.
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  Speaker 3: I like it, Actually, I like it when i'm That's
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  Speaker 3: kind of one of the things I do like about
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  Speaker 3: my podcast is that, like, I like to have a
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  Speaker 3: different opinion with the other person, but not anybody that
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  Speaker 3: holds so fast to their opinion that they're going to
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  Speaker 3: like die on a hill. But you know, I like
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  Speaker 3: hearing different opinions. I like when somebody tells me that
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  Speaker 3: I'm wrong for liking something, that's fine with me. I like,
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  Speaker 3: don't mind it one bit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I prefer to die on hills that mean
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  Speaker 1: nothing at all, like the Pineapple. I will die on
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  Speaker 1: that hill, but like anything more more serious, like nah,
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  Speaker 1: that's not worth it, okay, and I will die on
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  Speaker 1: that But yeah, speaking of things I do do books.
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  Speaker 1: So for the rest of winter, after we spent a
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  Speaker 1: month getting through the prologue, we spent the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the winter getting through chapters one through eleven, which covered
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  Speaker 1: Bayonen returning to the Tower in her little double agent role,
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  Speaker 1: Mordan ordering the deaths of Matt and Parrien but not
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  Speaker 1: rant Paren, meeting with the Sean Shan, and going through
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  Speaker 1: the experience that we have all colloquially called the bail Scream,
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  Speaker 1: despite the lack of textual evidence for it being a
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  Speaker 1: bail scream. And also we have Matt courting to On
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  Speaker 1: and asking Tom about the letter. That was what we
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  Speaker 1: covered for Winter. It was a lot of that set
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  Speaker 1: up of those arcs.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting that you can decipher it that way. That's neat.
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  Speaker 1: We have a spreadsheet with so we can look ahead
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  Speaker 1: for scheduling, so all I had to do was look
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  Speaker 1: back and be like, how did we summarize those chapters
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  Speaker 1: in the planning process.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's very James Bondish that it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: take out his friends, but don't take out Rands, save
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  Speaker 3: him for me, Like I've always thought that was like
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  Speaker 3: a flaw. Obviously that's a flaw and a plan that
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that one's always struck me. And then
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  Speaker 3: Matt and Tuon is always I think that's a g
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  Speaker 3: I think that's a fun storyline. I don't hate it
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  Speaker 3: at all. I don't hate Tuon, I don't hate the
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  Speaker 3: way she talks to Matt. I just think I just
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  Speaker 3: find it all kind of humorous and enchanting because I
• 10:33
  Speaker 3: know it's fiction, so you know, I really like their
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: back and forth a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Their courtship is very it's clever, right, Like both of
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  Speaker 1: them are being clever at each other, and like their
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  Speaker 1: their gears are locking together and like turning, and it's
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  Speaker 1: it's fun to watch that machinery in action, even if you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, have issues with the character in her context,
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  Speaker 1: like their interactions very clever, very fun in that way.
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: See, there's a good example right there of what I
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: was just talking about. If somebody came to on it,
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  Speaker 3: it gave me a list of reasons I would probably
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  Speaker 3: just NodD along and be like, yeah, sure, those are
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  Speaker 3: some pretty good reasons to hate her. I can see
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  Speaker 3: where you're coming from. I wouldn't be trying to like
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  Speaker 3: defend or point or change their opinion. I would just
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  Speaker 3: be interested to hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Right right.
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  Speaker 1: If you come with a change my mind attitude, well
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  Speaker 1: now that's a different conversation. But yeah, yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I grew up in a very much change your mind
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  Speaker 3: and culture where people were trying to change, you know,
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  Speaker 3: so I rail against that just because of how I
• 11:42
  Speaker 3: grew up.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, no, definitely. Podcasting has been an interesting exercise
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  Speaker 1: for me to learn to have differing opinions with people,
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  Speaker 1: like not just at all, but in public on the fly.
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  Speaker 2: Oh ye, specific skill, But it's.
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  Speaker 1: Fun because you do get exposed to things you weren't
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  Speaker 1: expecting in that context, and it's fun.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. When I reach out to guests, I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 3: obviously like you, I have already listened to you on podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: It's an easy person to ask on my podcast, or
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  Speaker 3: another person like Anthony Ladon who podcasts. I know he's
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: set up and he has headphones and a microphone and
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: there's no worries. But when I started doing interviews with
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: like the cast and crew of Time Bandits, some of
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: the folks on there, like especially the stunt crew, like
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: we're just talking to me on their phone, you know,
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: and like talking to all kinds of different people that
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: I normally wouldn't talk to, and like you said, just
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  Speaker 3: a different style of different flow of talking, a different behaviorisms,
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: and you know, it's always it's always been amicable. Though,
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it's neat when you come across somebody that's
• 12:51
  Speaker 3: not a regular podcaster and you're trying to keep it going.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. I've had ultiple people talk to
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: me about like wanting to do a podcast or be
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: a guest in a podcast, and sometimes I'm like, okay, well,
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: let's think about your normal performance conversation skills. You know,
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  Speaker 1: like there is an art to this. You can't just
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: have thoughts in your head. You have to be able
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: to effectively get them out your mouth, right, which most
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: people can with a little bit of coaching, But like
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a harder skill to pick up than you
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  Speaker 1: might think. And yeah, definitely, trying to connect with people
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  Speaker 1: who don't have the technical setup that you're expecting and
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: then be like ooh right, I'm gonna troubleshoot you through
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: this remotely is challenging.
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: Shall we say, like we're going today, We're just going
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: to cross our fingers that I have my side recorded.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the times when you, as the professional,
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: are like, here's me not having my ducks in a row.
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  Speaker 1: That's also a problem, but you know, we get through
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  Speaker 1: because we have practice and in the real world in
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  Speaker 1: the rest of winter, I was what I was doing,
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: was I was entering into a program to learn how
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: to become an autistic pure support coach, right, okay, is
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: something it feels like it has taken over my life
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: in a lot of regards. And I was also like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was January that the program started, Like I was
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  Speaker 1: a little little student in my first semester, okay, back
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  Speaker 1: in January. And at this point I am technically in
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: the internship phase. But of course it's in a bunch
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: of autistic people, so we're all running behind schedule in
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: terms of getting our stuff done. But I am ostensibly
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: in my internship phase. And I actually have been toying
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: with the idea pretty strongly of doing like a little
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: support group within our Discord community. Like it's trying right
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: starting out my skills there. I'm going to need to
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: expand to bigger pastures. But I do actually want to
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: start a little like we Love Time Spoilers neurodiversity support group,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: because that's not niche as fuck.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think it encompasses all of us.
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  Speaker 3: I was telling you before, like I'm on Discord and
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: I have a group that we watch dark every Tuesday
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: night at ten pm. There's about a dozen of us.
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  Speaker 3: And one time I was talking and I was saying
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: to the guys something like, you know, well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a little bit neurodivergent. You know, I am bipolar,
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  Speaker 3: so please pardon, etc. And everybody was like, I am too,
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: I am too, I am too. Everybody was like, that's
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: why we're all here. There's where else would we go
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: but to discord, but to join with other people. That's
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  Speaker 3: what we have the ability to do.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Now. Yes, by the power of the Internet, the birds
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  Speaker 1: flocking together is like exponentially increasing. Yeah, yeah, for sure
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: at this point. I yeah, I think I can count
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: the neurotypicals in my life on one hand with fingers
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: to spare, and I suspect my audience has a similar ratio.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sure some of you out there are entirely neurotypical.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure one or two of you are.
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  Speaker 2: Sure the rest of you.
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: I envy them, don't It's really cool that you're getting
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: involved at the level that you are instead of just
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: have an awareness, you're trying to like go out and
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: you know, be part of it. That's great.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I mean, honestly, it's kind of feels
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: like a step forward from podcasting, right, Like it's basically
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: just podcasting, but without the intent to record and distribute. Right,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: But it's the same kind of like I have a topic,
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  Speaker 1: You're here to listen and talk back. Okay, the only
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: difference is that it's not for distribution, like truly, Like
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: in my mind everything looks like a podcast, right, But yeah,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: it's like, I like talking to people. I'm good at
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: summarizing things apparently, and like I'm learning all this amazing stuff.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: And then my coach was like, there's not enough people
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: doing this work. Well, someone else, please join. So he
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: made a program and me and a few people are
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: doing it. And like, as much as I haven't actually
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: started it yet, I also really want to write, Like
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just like that edge of the diving board, like
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: looking over the edge being like, oh, that looks like
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a really long fall. I don't know. But also I
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: climbed up here because I wanted to do this jump,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: So so yeah, stay tuned for that. I will definitely
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: be announcing something in the discord before I go to
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: the broader internet fun, and I encourage anyone who is questioning,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: curious adjacent to consider joining I'm not I'm not doing
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: like you must be this neurodivergent to enter sort of
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: gatekeeping like if you want to be in the group,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: you're divergent enough to be deserving of being in the group.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: That's that's the line.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's just kind of like this whole year,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I've been doing knife of dreams. I've also been like
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: having these sessions where I'm like learning about things like
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: how to talk about burnout and where does coaching turn
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: into therapy? And you have to like put the kebash
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: on that because we're not therapists, and like I don't
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: even know how to summarize it. Dot come to the group,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I'll try to distribute it. That's also been happening for me.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Every week that we do one of these recordings. I've
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: also been doing some reading or being in a group
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: or having a one on one discussion with my coach.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: About like how to do whatever it is.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: The peer support coaching is, which is really just basically
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: being a professional friend with more information. Like in a
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: lot of ways, it's I'm just a peer, it's just
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: peer support. But it's been very empowering to like interact
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: with neurodivergent people who are trying to be advocates and
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: like figuring that out together. It's been accelerating my self acceptance,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: shall we say cool?
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when it comes to work type stuff back in
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: winter time, if we're gonna we can wrap up winner
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: here with what Steve was doing at work. You know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: I work in meter reading and analytics, and we started
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: doing some cool SAP framework for purchase requisition entries and
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: January is when I got trained up on that in
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: our new processes, and that's what we were doing at work. Meanwhile,
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I'll at home podcasting and watching cool stuff. Back then,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Let's see, I was watching The Americans, which is a
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: really great show about Russian spies and filtrating into America
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: in the nineteen eighties.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw the trailer.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I saw the trailer for that.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Felicity, whoever the star is of Felicity is the
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: person who is the main star of that show. It's
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: great cast, great show all around. So we were watching
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: that wintertime, and we also watched appropriate for winter. It's
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: a show called The Terror. The Terror which is on
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Netflix with Jared Harris. I mean, he's just a wonderful
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: like British actor. It's a British show and that's the
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: good thing about The Americans. Hold up a second. The
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Americans is half English, half Russian, so when you're watching
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: it you have to be okay with watching subtitles. Just
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: like Dark is in German subtitles, American, the Americans is
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: half German, half English. The Terror is a very British
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: show about a shipwreck and like the or like the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Late eighteen hundred's not a shipwreck, a ship getting railed
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: onto ice and they're stuck on ice and so the crew.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: It's a fantastic it's a fantasy series. And then in
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the wintertime we were watching The Mind of a Cat
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: in the Mind of a Dog on Netflix. Those are fun,
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: fun shows, family entertainment, like they're perfect for toddlers even
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: but they really give you a lot of insight in
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the dogs and cats. I gotta recommend those as well.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: That was my wintertime watching Nice.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Nice, You're making me want to get my Netflix subscription
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: going again.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'll be naming even more as we go through
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: the seasons.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: So yeah, moving forward into Spring. Spring got us through
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: chapters twelve through twenty six. We had a lot of
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: doubling up of chapters here because this was us anticipating
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Episode five hundred and trying to like make the numbers work,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: So we got through a lot of chapters in spring.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Those chapters covered basically most of Igwayne's internal Tower arc,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: all of her power plays and alliance building, and all
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: of that Elaine's succession struggle, which included losing Avienda back
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to the Wise Ones. There's a lot of Indoran politics.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: We also had Loyal getting married and the death Gates chapter,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: which is always a good time. It was our original
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: candidate for episode five hundred until we realized we had
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: done our math wrong.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: We also got.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: The Golden Crane flies for Tarmin Guiden that happened in
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the spring, which just you know, trumpets, trumpets, air horns, confetti,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: the Golden Crane flies for Darmagden, and less excitingly, we
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: also had Pair and getting fork route and rejoining the
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: band now parent Good and Stour Group.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Was very exciting because that's when I was on the podcast,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: so that was super exciting for me.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also I mean there's that's it's the Beatles, right,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's the Beatle Bubble of Evil, so you
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: know there's there's some good horror stuff in there.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. I was in the Beatle chapter, that's right.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: I didn't listen to the some of the stuff after me,
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: and I was really surprised to hear you say that
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: the Loyal thing might have been saved for five hundred
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: because that was one of the things that I was
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: going to talk. That's I don't have very many notes
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: here because, as you guys might know, I haven't really
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: been reading along with y'all. I've just got like the
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: cliff notes from you know, whatever the best Wheel of
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Time site is. But yeah, I remember I've read the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: read these books multiple times. In Earth and Loyal getting married,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the thing I loved about that, which you probably talked
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: about this end mass, so I'm sorry we got to
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: talk about it again. It was just the fact that
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: it's not what Loyal expected, and that it's not what
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: we as the readers expected either. Was for them to
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: get married and then for her to turn around and
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: be like, Yeah, what I want is for you to
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: do what you want and I'm going to support you.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Nobody was expecting that, and I wasn't expecting that as
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: a reader, So I remember the first time reading that, Yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: standing up and cheering and like, I love this woman.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: She's great. So I mean, that's my biggest tangent I
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: suppose is I think that's like one of the best moments,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: like ever.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, especially when like you start to get hints
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: in the scene, like her ears lie back just a
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: tiny bit and then they're back up and it's.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Like, wait, but I see that. And then like once.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: They're married and her ears go fully back like an
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: angry cat, and she's just like, that's my husband you're
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: trying to control. Yeah, it's definitely a stand up and
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: you don't throw the book against the wall.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: You sort of throw it up in the air like
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: in a cheer.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: It's like one of those moments because yeah, it's like
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Loyle has been running from this ball and chain energy
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: the whole time, and it turns out it was actually
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: like a magic wand or a flying carpet or something
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the opposite of a ball in shame, and it's it's
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: really fun. And then you take this and also the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: brevity of it right like you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Expect I mean, o gear, I would, I.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Mean, I know the name is Ogre, but like you
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: kind of see them as more like ent right if
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you're coming from like a Tolkien space, so you expect
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: them to slow down.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: And long winded.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but no.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: When it comes to love and war, o gear are
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: very fast and efficient and it's like huh, and you
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: don't know that about the war thing. But like in
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: the Last Battle, right, you get this thing where like
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Loyal comes up and is talking to par in her
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: rand and just like says exactly the information needed and
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't go on, and our main human human guy is
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: like that, I expected you to keep talking because you're loyal,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: But like, no, when they're in war mode, they're very efficient,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: and it seems like all is efficient in love and.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: War with and when lives are on the line. You know,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: these guys love life, so they don't want to risk anything.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: The nine Eve thing, you brought that up as well.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: And I'm gonna admit something here that y'all aren't gonna like,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: is that the first my first time through this book,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: the series, I should say I'd already like pigeonholed in
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: like parent in ninety eve as like my favorites, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: like them a lot, and for whatever reason, like my
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: first time through I just kind of blanked out. I
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: guess I was in a weird place back in twenty
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: sixteen or twenty seventeen when I first read that chapter,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: because it just kind of happened and I was like her,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: you know whatever. It wasn't until my second time through
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: reading it that I realized the significance of it. Like
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: it was a reread that really made it stick out
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to me. And that's my Thoult, of course, So now
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: y'all can hate me.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: No, we're just gonna giggle at you.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Reading comprehension is hard, Like I vividly remember like exactly
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: where I was and what I was doing, like for
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: the whole time I listened to the last or to
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: the well to the last Wae books really because I
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: listened to them first. So it was very you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I remember exactly which part of the land I was
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: working and what the season was, and I was just
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: like standing there like like I remember exactly where the
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: trees were. Like when she was like telling the jewel
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: merchant like my name is ninety, I'm like, yeah, it
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: was actually this time of year, I think, because it
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: was very autumnal but yeah, that it's so funny because
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: like it's another one of those scenes we see it
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: a lot in this book where you're really looking at
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: a familiar character through unfamiliar eyes. It's a thing that
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Jordan did a lot more in this book than in
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: other books. And that scene, Yeah, it almost hits differently
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: or less than because you're not in nineties head and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: with Naieve, everything is turned up to eleven, right, Like
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Ninieve does nothing at a mild intensity, but you're in
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: the perspective of a man who is very even keeled
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and not excitable, and he's just like, who is this woman?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know? So it it does sort of sneak
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: up on you in terms of the intensity, like now
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: and you have to be really invested in like Land's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: new spring of it all, and like the way Land
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: feels about the Golden Crane, like if you've kind of
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: forgotten about how important that is to Land, Like, okay,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: so she's rallying an army. Isn't that what we do
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: with the last battle? Right?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Like whatever?
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: But when you remember it's it's that Land has spent
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: twenty years running away from this.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: It's like, right, and I should clarify, I loved like
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Land's journey as people like join him as he went
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: and you know the whole like device of like and tool.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it, and the two became four.
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: Right, it's the like exact moment that he's that she
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: sends him off and like through Like, I don't know,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: that's the part that like I kind of glossed over
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the first time through that I didn't latch onto until
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: later on, and then I was like, what was I
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: thinking at that time? What's going on?
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, in many ways, that's the beginning of the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Last Battle, right, And it's it almost because I mean
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: he gathers like the point of the spear, right like
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: this the one becomes an army that is front and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: center when the actual battle happens. And then yeah, it
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: also is like a reverse of and then there were none, Right,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: It starts out at none and works its way up
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to well more than ten. But you know, it definitely
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: always feels like, oh, we're reversing that death trend from
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: that creepy story I had to read in high school.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, this is like the beginning of the
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: Last Battle. This is the beginning of all the cool
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: stuff and what's sad is like in my regular reading,
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm reading a bunch of other books right
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: now too, but I'm currently at the Fires of Heaven,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: like book five. So then to like see all of
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: this stuff that in this past week of what we
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: were going to talk about, I was like, I kind
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: of want to pick up on book twelve now to
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: like continue like the Matt and Tom thing, because I
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: know where this goes, you know, But I mean I can't.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I've done that before and I can't do it again.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I don't want to skip all those middle books because
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: you know, all that stuff is important.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure, I totally hear you.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you get to the restaurant doorway and
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you're like and Tower of Genji next.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Oh no wait, we have not many books to get through.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Like I've never done a read out of order.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: In that way, right, I don't want to do Yeah,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: my brain would like die.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: But I am kind of tempted to like try to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: follow one plot, right, And just like I've heard of
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: people doing like one POV or something like that as
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: a read, and it's an interesting thought to like, yeah,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: what if you just followed like Morain that's it. Like
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: after fires, I haven't there's nothing to do with her.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So I guess we're going on to when Matt arrives.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Like that's all right, story that would be that would
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: be an interesting way to go in the real world.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: In Spring Well, one thing was I had a listener
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: reach out to me about all of my website complaints
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: because I was trying to make a website, and Caitlin
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: reached out and was.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Like, hey, I can help you with that, and.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Then I promptly was the worst client ever and ultimately
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: badly took the project back and did not finish it.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm still finishing it, Caitlin, thank you very much for
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: your help. I'm sorry. I am the worst client night
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: by pathological demand avoidance has never reared its head so
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: high as with this project.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: We're talking hyperbole. We got to be talking hyperbole here.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: It's been difficult. I really need to make a website,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: both for this podcast, for my production company, for every
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: other podcast I do, and for my coaching business, which
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: is definitely gonna happen. Like I have so many websites
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I need to make, and a listener very kindly reached
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: out and tried to help and I was just like,
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm frozen. I can't sorry, So that's still in progress,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say. And then the other thing that
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I did in spring was I celebrated my first Passover ever.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I had never celebrated Passover before, but in conversation with
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: my grandma and she was like, well, we could come
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: up and do passover if you want, and I was like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I kind of want to do a passover
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and it was awkward and weird, and I'm definitely going
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to do it again.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: So cool. Okay, I've never done it before. I'm not
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: really one for rituals, but yeah, that's great. I mean,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: if you are you going to start doing that on
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: a regular yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: I was raised with a very mixed feeling about rituals.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: But I've been trying in the past i don't know,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: year or three to be like getting more into I
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: don't know everything to do with my body and my
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: psyche and that includes my heritage. I've gotten the genealogy bug,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'm part Jewish and I only had
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Hanukkah like growing up, and yeah, talking with my grandma
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: about all of that and she's like, well, if you want,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: like more Jewish stuff, like we have Passover traditions we
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: could invoke, and I was like okay, and yeah, there
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: were some weird aspects of the rituals, some things I
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: would definitely change moving forward, but it was also like,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: this is part of my heritage. This is literally part
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: of where I come from, and it feels much like
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: it feels good to get out of my head and
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: into my body. It feels kind of good to get
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: out of my present and into my past a little bit, okay,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: And there's.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: A reason to bring family together.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: And like my dad is like so not into ritual,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: but to see him come and participate because it is
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: part of his childhood was like really weird.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: It was really really weird.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: But I am planning on doing it again next year
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: and continuing to see where pulling on that thread takes me.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: You know, Okay for me, let's see springtime. Oh yeah,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: that's what I was going to interrupt you with, because
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I was like, website, huh meets That's when I launched
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Sweet Child of Time dot com. Put my website together
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: and it's got all my videos, all my podcasts, all
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: my music because I do music as well. So yeah,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I launched sweet chot of time dot Com, and then
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I also started launching music for the year. Around springtime,
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: I was doing stuff with Lindsay Dunn. She and I
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: did like some adult alternative, really solid stuff. I'm doing
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: some like hip hop remixes too, but the work I'm
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: doing with her is like really good. So if you
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: see any stuff with Introvoid and Lindsay Dune, it's some
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: good stuff. We did that back in spring of twenty
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: twenty four and then almost Prophetic. I was going to
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: talk about the books that I was checking out at
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: that time too, and one of them, I'm familiar with
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: the ritual of passover, not from personal experience, but from
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: particular book that I read around that time by Mosha Kasher.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: It's called Subculture Vulture, and he's a stand up stand
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: up comedian, but he has involved in six different cultures
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: that he heavily researched and laid out in a really
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: funny way. And so you learn all about Judaism, American
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: sign language, and he was a death interpreter. You learn
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: about Burning Man. He was a Burning Man enthusiast and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: he's a big going to Burning Man every year. He
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: is a raver slash DJ, so he talks about the
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: rave scene, like when that was a big thing, pre
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Burning Man, and he was an AA. He's a big
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: AA advocate, so you learn all about AA. So it's
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: a really neat book. It's a really easy way to
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: digest cool information about Judaism in like AA and some
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: other stuff that I normally probably wouldn't dive into.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh that's cool.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ASL is something I experienced in college a bit.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Actually took that as my foreign language, and yeah, a
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: lot of that class was about the culture of deaf
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: people and like way beyond language, way deep into the culture,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: and it was very, very fascinating.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: It really is. I might as well go into a
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: little bit about that because it's we're podcasting a lot
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: about how you know, when deaf people were pretty much
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: ostracized a lot back in the day, and they figured
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: out a way for themselves to learn sign language just
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: amongst their own families, and there was different cultures that
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: would do that, and there was all these different branches
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: of different sign language, none of them were really official.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Some individuals that thought like doctors at the time, that
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: thought they were really helping, wanted to do alay with
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: sign language. They wanted to make deaf people more palatable culture,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: so they wanted they started doing lip reading and trying
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to get deaf people to talk and enunciate, and that's
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: where the focus was. And that was a big problem
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: and it set back American sign language like decades because
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: of like what they got through Congress to like push
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: lip reading and enunciating words and so like they corrected
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: their course back in the sixties where sign language was
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: more was taught more and it's become an acceptable form
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: of language. But he goes into lots of details about
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: the ins and outs of all that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and also like the when they did codeify
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: sign language, it's using French grammar and syntax. So the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: sentence structure is backwards from English.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Oh sure, okay, yeah, yeah, no it is.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: This was something I learned was like when you're like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: translating stuff, like you actually like you have to wait
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: till the end of the sentence because that will be
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: like more or less the first concepts that goes into
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the translated like form of that sentence. Very I'm like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know, French, this is unfair, but you know,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: such is language.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: He did that as well in the book too, he
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: would show you like a paragraph of what somebody would say,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and then a paragraph of what would be communicated through
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: American sign language, and it was like foreign language baby
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: talk basically exactly.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and like when you translate in your head. This
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: was something else I noticed was that like the more
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: sophisticated you get in your understanding, the more sophisticated the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: other person seems, because their their voice, so to speak,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: is in your head like you're the one translating. So
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: if you have like very blocky baby talk understanding, they
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: are going to sound, for lack of a better word,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: kind of blocky and baby talking. But if you have
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: like a very good sophisticated you know, adverbs and contractions
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: are all comfortable, then like they will seem like a
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: much more sophisticated speaker. And that just blew my mind.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: I am still reeling from that moment of like, it
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter how you talk, it matters how they interpret.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's true with every language to
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: a certain extent, but it just was really thrown into
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: sharp relief with the multi modal nature of asl to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: spoken language.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what I did A lot more stuff in springtime
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: to spread my wings, I joined a new band. I
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: had an original band when we were kids, like a
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: punk band when we were like sixteen seventeen. This is
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: like late eighties. I got back together with the exact
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: same guys and we're now playing together again. We've been
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: doing it weekly. We call ourselves Electric Fist. So that's
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: been fun. And I also started going to shows a
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: lot more, and I think in the springtime we saw
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: two comedy shows. We saw Sarah Sherman, who's like the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: SNL one of the SNL hosts, not host, SNL characters, actors,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: And we saw Fred Armison, who's also an SNL guy.
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: We saw two separate shows with them, so that was. Yeah.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: We were doing a lot of fun stuff in springtime.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Oh that's fun. When was the last show I went to?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember. It's been more than a year.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I guess since I've been to a show. I feel
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: like I think I went to a show about a
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: year ago, which would have been like November. I think
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: was the last time I went out to just I
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: never remember what it was. It was electronic, it.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Was loud, it was fun.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I have not been to many shows recently, I want
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: to so now it should.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: I've got more of my summer list and more of
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: my fall list here too. When we get to those
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: seasons television and movies. At that time, I think Long
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: Legs came out Films Down. I mean, it looks kind
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: of creepy, but it really wasn't all that. And we
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: rewatched The Haunting of hill House on Netflix, and then
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I wanted to reread that, not reread, I wanted to
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: read that book for the first time by Shirley Jackson,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: The Haunting of hill House, and it was great. It
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: was nothing like the show. There was two totally different
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: experiences and two more recommendations. Great stuff.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Nice nice see. I think the closest I can get
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to saying I've been to a show this year was
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I got to listen to a new album from an
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: artist that came out, which so like I want to
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: say it was. It wasn't the first year I went
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: to Walk On or went to Spoiler Coon, but several
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: years ago I went to a show one of my
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: favorite bands and he played this song that blew my mind.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Had never heard it before. And then dude releases his
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: next album and that song's not on it, and I
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: was pissed. I was like, this album sucks on the
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: basis of not having the song I was expecting in it.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: And then he released another album just like a month ago,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: and I am ninety nine percent sure that one of
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: the songs on that is that song that has been
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: kind of like it's not quite a White Whale or
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a Holy Grail, but it was getting there for me.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: It was just like, cause you know, I was at
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: this show, I was in an altered state. I don't
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: really remember the song. I just remember the part where
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I couldn't dance anymore because I just had to hold
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: my head and try to keep my brains from exploding because.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: It was just right, really good love that moment.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And so listening to this album, I was like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: you know, like okay, like we're after dinner, We're going
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: to put it on the big sound system, we like
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: are paying attention, and we get to that song and
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm pretty sure it's the song. And the
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: fact that I'm not sure is a little bit confusing.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: But also it was like four years ago, like songs change,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: artists change, He mixed it differently, whatever, but it was
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: it wasn't a show, but it was also like me
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: trying to go back mentally to that show and be like,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: is this the song?
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I think this is the song? I think this is
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the song.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Now we just gotta make the room dark and put
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: on funny lights and get altered again, and I'm sure
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: I'll be right back here.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: You didn't name the artist.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, I should probably name the artist at Ott as
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: in Jonathan at the Chemist.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, never heard.
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an electronic artist from Britain. He mostly at
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: His day job is sound engineering for like underground hip
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: hop and dub artists, and so all of his like
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: low end and dub type textures are just fantastic. He
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: does amazing low end, basy stuff. That's just it's his
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: day job is you can hear in his music it's
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: all very very strange and weird. I will post a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: link to the newest album in the show notes because yeah,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: at is one of my favorite bands. It's like right
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: right below Spongle, Shpongle and Aught are like they're not
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: even below, They're just on the same tier.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I had to look and see if Sprongle was the
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: name of the person in the discord, but it's.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: No, that's still doing well.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I was like, wait a second, they're on your discord.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: No, I do not think that those guys are on
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: my discord. That would be Bombers. Yeah, those two artists
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: are both in the UK. Ironically, I and I also
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: really like Pink Floyd, so apparently I have a thing
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: for like depressed men from the UK making music apparently. Okay, anyway, summer,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: I want to move on to summer.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Summertime. I know personally, a lot of stuff is happening,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: and we got to stick to the book first, because
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: we're here to talk about the book.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, the book is a book.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: So summer started off with a bang, because that was
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: episode five hundred. Episode five hundred was right around the
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: start of summer, and then after that we got on
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to chapters twenty seven through thirty two, which is not
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that many because then it was September and we took
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: September off for Seths to go get married.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: But before we did that, we got.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Through Rand losing his hand and capturing Summer, okay, Matt
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: attacking the Sean Chan to trick them into getting out
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: of his way, attacking Maldon, and finally retrieving Fayel and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: yet another instance of Elaine getting captured and then rest. Yeah,
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: that's what we got through in summer.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the ran lost his hand. That's that's a that's
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: a huge one right there. I definitely he was paying
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: attention when uh, when I read that. I reread that
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: chapter a couple of times my first time through, because
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: you know, you're not supposed to lose limbs here? What's
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: going on?
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Right? A hero losing a major body part?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: What pretty shocking?
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, I mean, the only weirder thing would
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: be if someone lost an eye stares awkwardly at camera.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: And then I was going to go into Matt for
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: some reason or another. What was I got a point
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: was going to make? Oh yeah, Matt basically show it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: Every time he does opens his mouth or moves or
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: does anything. He gives two on more like stuff to
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: be impressed by, you know, his leadership skills and his
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: battle skills, and yeah, that that always must be emphasized. Yeah,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: like I'm I'm like you read I'm doing right now.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I'm finding myself like really liking it when I get
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: to a Matt chapter, which surprises even me, So that
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: a lot, right.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Now, no, I I would say that I'm liking Matt
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Moore on this podcast reread then I've.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Really liked him, like he's I mean, I don't hate him,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: but going through the books in the podcast has made
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: me much more appreciative of him.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, because like that's the thing with trickster characters, right,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: It's easy to write them off and to just see
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: them for their pranks, like I'm sure this is true
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and like every genre everything ever, Yeah, to actually really
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: get into like what he's doing, how he's thinking, how
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: his behaviors and thoughts don't line up, and like just
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: marinating on it has like led me to a greater
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: appreciation for how fully rounded of a person he is.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: He presents a very shallow version of himself, but that
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: is not reflective of who he actually is. And I
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you know, didn't have any cause to see that at
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: the speed of an audiobook read, right, But in a pod,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I'm slowing down enough to get that.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. As a parent fan, of course, like stood up
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: and cheered when he rescued Fayel. That was great stuff,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: And I got to say, I'm I'm gonna be enjoying this.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: I think a couple of years from now, because I'm
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: really looking forward to like getting to this book and
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: like listening to your podcast because that's what I'm doing listeners.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Like I read my chapter that i'm of the book
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: I'm in, and then I listened to the Old Wheel
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: of Time spoilers podcasts along with it. So I'm looking
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: forward to listening to some of this stuff, some of
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: the stuff I was just reading about this past week,
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: hearing what you guys have to say about it. Because
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: while y'all were talking about this stuff and doing these podcasts,
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: I would pop in here in the discord at the
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: beginning for maybe ten or fifteen minutes just to see
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: what y'all were up to, and then i'd usually pop
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: out because I'm not reading the books because summertime, I
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: was busy doing time band. It's baby time band, It's
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: for all over my back. I couldn't take us step
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: without stepping on a time bandit. So like that's that's
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: where my head was all summer this summer.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: That makes sense, That makes sense. Yeah, And in my life,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: summer was very much dominated by first watt Idol and
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: then wat Con basically back to back.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Oh that's right, yeah, we we connected for that too.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: That's right, We're cheering for each other.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so that was And they positioned that
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: so close to Watcon that it almost feels like one
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: giant event in a lot of ways. I mean wat
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: Con we even had what idol sing along, like you know,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: it's all all part and parcel.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: The same thing. Which, yeah, that was. That was a
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: huge It's like, I I need to recover from events
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: before they even happen, Like I go into like waiting mode,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you know, like ADHD waiting mode, but like weeks ahead
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: of time. And it's like I need.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: To function like at all, despite the fact that I'm
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: going to Ohio in three weeks.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I need to function today.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: And it was. Yeah, it was a big rock sort
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: of planked in my summer. And then after I got
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: back from Watcon, I got five entire seconds to sit
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: down and breathe, and then I was off to see
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: my brother get married, which he he doesn't listen to
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: this podcast, so I can bitch here about his choice
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: of venue. It was essentially burning Man geologically speaking.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Out in the desert. Black rock.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was not literally the black Rock plaia, but
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: it's part of the larger geologic region that Burning Man
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: is in. He was just in the northern corner.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Oh so super hot, then I bet right, Oh.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: God, it was so hot, and like the Plaia, Like,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: I've never been to the Plaia, I have never wanted
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: to go to Burning Man. I do not do well
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: with heat. I do not do well with dust. I
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: would never in a million years consider going to Burning Man,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: like I just I know that's not for me. And
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: this little bitch decides he wants to go to Burning
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Man so much he's gonna trial the concept by having
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: a wedding essentially in that environ it and like I
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: love him, I love his wife, but like they really
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: were trying to keep their guests lists low with that
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: choice of venue. Like it was literally you have to
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: bring all your own water and all of your own
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: sanitary facilities to take that water back because you are
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: not putting water on the Plaia. It was. It was intense.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: The dirt was angry. The pH of the dirt is
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: just like murderously angry at people persisting. But on the
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: other hand, you could just walk without lights, without guidance.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: You could just pick a direction and just go and
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: it was very easy to find your way back because
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: there's nothing. There's literally nothing, and like people were tearing
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: around in cars at like a bazillion miles an.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Hour in the middle of the night.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Like that's fine, inebriated because there's nothing to hit. The
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: only thing out there is the cluster of lights that
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: represent our camp with all the RVs and everything just
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: like planked in the middle of the desert.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: And how are those skies where the suns?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: That's awesome or what well it would have been if
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Oregon hadn't been having one of its worst fire seasons ever.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, bad timing.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Smoke. The smoke was really bad.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It was a bad year for that, that's right.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, last year or twenty twenty was smoke apocalypse. But
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: that was unique because the smoke all got blown west
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that year, and that was part of what made the
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: fires so bad was the fire doesn't normally go to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: the west. This year, the wind was normal, it came
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: from the west. But because the wedding was in eastern Oregon,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that meant that we were getting all the smoke that
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: all of western Oregon was putting out. And so you know,
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: like their original plan was to get married at sunset
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: as the sun is going between this notch in the hills, right,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: but like they had it all planned out, and the
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: smoke kind of it honestly kind of cleared up. The
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: clearest time we had was during the ceremony, like there
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: was literally it was literally a dust storm. As we
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: were trying to do wedding photos. Everyone like gets their
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: nice clothes on, we've had her, we finished food, We're
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: gonna do pictures before the ceremony, and then this wall
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: of dust just absolutely like haboob levels wall of dust
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: just like slams the campsite, flipped my tent upside down,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: turned the flipped the keg over like it was a
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: whole thing, like trying to take pictures in it's a
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: little bit of rain that just like cements all this
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: dust to our cars. It was a total circus. And
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: of course the bride was having the best time. She's like,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I want my wedding to be memorable, and we're all
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: looking at her like you happy, You're happy with the
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: how memorable your wedding is, and she's just eared at ear,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: grinning like like whatever. As long as the bride and
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: groom are happy, I guess we're.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: All exactly Randon Garrett.
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: It's her day. It's her day. That's that's what they say.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was far from Breadzilla.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: She was more like a nature spirit who was just
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: forcing us all to like deal.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: But that cleared the air so that by.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: The time that the ceremony actually happened, the air was
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: remarked goribly clear given everything.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Was kind of funny. I was like, Oh, I get
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: to do like one wedding and then in a month.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: I'll do another wedding.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: Uh huh okay.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that was that was a really really fun,
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: fun aspect.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And then I went to do an autism camp thing,
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: like an autism camping trip in the woods, which I'm.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Just like, I'm going to go to all the various
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: events this summer.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go to wat Coon and a wedding
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: and an autism conference or camp, and then sets wedding
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: and then Fall. The very end of Fall, we wrap
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: up with Seth getting married to Never, which was gloriously
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: not located in a desert. It was located in a forest.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: It was much more friendly. The dirt was happy to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: have us there, you know, like it was. It was
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: a much easier wedding to attend.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Nice. Well, let's see, in relation to that, you mentioned
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: wat idol. Of course, I'm a big advocate of what Idol.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Can only hope they were singing my song. Dang it,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: when y'all are doing your thing. I feel like I'm
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: a really good and I have a lot of videos
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: right now of dark that I've done. I feel like
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I'm really good at visualizing a good concept of a
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: video or a song, but like my execution usually falls,
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: you know, a little bit to be desired there. So I
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: did my watt Idle video for twenty twenty four. I
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: did that like early twenty twenty four, so summertime came,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: I already had it done so I didn't have to
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: worry about it. If I hadn't had pre done my
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: like Matt Switch video, then I wouldn't have been able
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: to do one. But that makes me think about the
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: same time through listening to I think just being like
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: on your stream, your what idle, your wat spoiler what
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: idol streams talking to you and talking to Pants. Yes,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna shout you out, Pants. Because we connected as well.
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: We traded emails and we made a loose agreement that
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: y'all would help in my song. And yeah, so I
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: haven't forgotten that pants. You haven't heard from me, like
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: in a couple of months, but I'm still I stuck
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: on you. And yeah, I was really involved in Time Bandits.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: What happened with me is I got very lucky being
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: able to reach out to actor run Temptey, who plays
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: biddleg and the show Time Bandits. He also plays one
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: of the characters in Captain Marvel. He plays one of
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: the Blue People, one of Captain Marvel's buddies. He played
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: in The Last Kingdom. You know, he's a he's a
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Marvel dude, but he's really friendly. He's he's from Norway,
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: and we were talking on Instagram and he gave me
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: his personal information so we could chat for real and
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: I could get in touch with his manager, and he
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: came on my podcast. And because he was so willing
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: to share his information and come on my podcast, other
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: cast members and other stung people from Time Bandits followed suit.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: So I got to have a whole series of interviews
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: with the cast and crew of Time Bandits. And covering
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: that and making friends and it's summertime was big for me.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Because that's what I was doing, was doing my time
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: bandit stuff over at Sweets out of Time and then
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: like shows. Yeah we did good as I think we
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: saw Mastedon and Lamb of God and Carrie King's Slayer
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: that summer, my wife and I went and saw that.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: I believe that was summertime. But yeah, I was full on.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: I was a full on time bandit.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: I think that's so cool that, like, and just to
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: be clear for anyone who is not kept up on
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: the time band at Shenanigans, there was the movie and
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I was on an episode talking about the movie, but
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: you're talking about the show, which is like a new
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: thing and is revisiting that story, and so yeah, it's
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: it's multiple times that there were time bandits, so to speak.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: I think that's really cool that you did as a interview.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Like I always haven't followed the show properly, but I've
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: seen you posting about who you got and I'm just like,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: that's that's a that's cool that so many people reached out,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: And it's also cool that like you have the fortitude
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: to like withstand talking to these really cool neat famous surprise,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: Like I would just die. I would just die see.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I was very good about not doing any of that.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: I did not play the fanboy. I think that's I
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: think my approach is very approachable, where I just don't
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: I don't do that type of gushing. I suppose it's
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: just a straight conversation with everyone. I'm hoping, y'all because
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: I was talking to my co host, James the Marshland
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Monster about this because I was like, I had such
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: great luck with Time Bandits and Wheel of Time will
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: be coming up in twenty twenty five. I'm gonna apply
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: my same skills and see if I can get it
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: in over there. I've already tried to reach out to
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: Hamad Animation he plays Loyal because he's also in Time Bandits.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: He plays manson Moose, so I've already reached out to
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: him to try to get him on the show, but
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: he has not responded, which is fair. More people don't
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: respond than respond really, But yeah, I'd like to try
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: to get some more Wheel of Time people on my show.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: That's my goal for twenty twenty five.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: I guess that's super cool.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, we've definitely seen various people from that show
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: being on other like on Dusty Wheel and some other places.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I know I've seen we love time content creators with
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: people from the production Like I know that's happened, but yeah, don't.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be that person who gushes obnoxiously.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: But also like I can't even talk to Michael and Kate,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: Like I just walk up when there's Michael and Kate.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: And like I know they're not like big people don't
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: fall over them too much. But for some reason, like
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be that person, and yet I
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: just lock up. And I'm pretty sure if I did
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: unlock my jaw, it would just be like, I guess
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I need more desensitization practice. I admire people who are
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: able to just set all that aside and just have
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: a human to human conversation that is a skill onto itself.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, cool. I appreciate being able to do it.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: I guess. I guess it's part of having being a neurodivergent.
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: Like I'm better on microphone, I'm better during a directed
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: conversation that has like a structure to it, and it
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: has like a beginning, a middle, and an end that's
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: really appealing to our type of brains as opposed to like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: you don't know what the next conversation is going to be.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: You don't know what tangent somebody's going to go off on.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: You don't know if you should interrupt or not. So
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: you know podcasts and we take turns talking and it's
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know what the point I was trying to
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: make is. I thought about you with the Kate Redding
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: and Michael Kramer thing, because they're huge in our field
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: of wheel of Time. Their voices like have a lot
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: of weight, and then you know, I know you've gotten
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: to you know, speak with them before or like be
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: in their presence or I'm not sure, Like I thought
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: about that because like, you know, when I was looking
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: at my stuff, I was like, well, she's done the
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: exact same darn thing. Yeah, it's great talking to your heroes,
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: talking to the people that are part of the thing
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: that you're currently enjoying.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I will say I'm remembering I did manage to talk
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to a cool celebrity person.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Once at Wakan. Guy Roberts was the special.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Guest ooh yeah, oh, and he.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Brought like a bunch of photos of him in costume
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: to like sign and give away. He had like a
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: table nice where he was signing and giving away, so
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: I never managed to go up to him and talk
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: to him like just like a person, because lots of
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: people were He was just at the event and he
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: wanted to just hang out, and lots of people went
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: over introduce themselves talk to him, and I was just like,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: I cannot do that. But when he had the table
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: set up, I was like, all right, there is a format,
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: there is an expectation, there is a sense of like
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I know when it it's going to end. And I
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: was able to go up to him and have a
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: within that, a nice moment where I just gushed at
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: him about how great I thought his role in the
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: show was like. But it was I knew that I
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to go on too long because it was
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: like this very like procedural, you know, I go up,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: take my pic picture, he's signing it. I get to
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: talk for a few minutes, and it wasn't like a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: lot of people behind me, but there was just like
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: a sense of rhythm to it, and I found that
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: much easier. And he was very very nice, obviously super kind, lovely,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: delightful person. He had the best time with the baby
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: that was at the con because one person brought a
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: baby and she did a berth on the slopes of
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Dragon Mount cosplay with said baby.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Freaking fantastic.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and and uh yeah, the baby and Guy Roberts
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: got along great. There's a great picture of all of
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: us out in the lobby, like the whole con and
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Guy Roberts and the baby are looking at each other
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: and not at the camera. Guy Roberts. Yeah, yeah, yeah
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: the picture. I'm here having a moment with this baby. Yeah,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: so that was I have not had many opportunities to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: desensitize myself, but that did help a little bit for sure.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I totally hear you about like podcasting.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Like I've always like people who.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: Are afraid of being on stage confuse me. And I'm like,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: what do you mean stage freight? On stage, everyone stays away.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: From me and admires me.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: That's rights.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: I know how to deal with the stage.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: Like it's when I'm in a group of people that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: now everything is confusing.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Like that's right, there's no structure, there's no control or hierarchy.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: It's just kind of like, how do I fit into this?
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I do fit into this. Overthink overthink, overthink.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: But if you're on stage, nobody else wants to be
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: up there. They're all very happy to be in the audience.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: They have all chosen to come in here and sit down.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Well, let's clarify. You want to go on stage when
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: you have something planned to like show an audience. What
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: if somebody threw you on stage in said a radia,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: entertain this group of people for ten minutes. I mean
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: that would you be able to do that?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would just launch into a geology lecture,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: no problem, okay, but no, I definitely that is true.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: Like the part of what makes stage feel safe, you know,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: when people choose to look at you, when they choose
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: to listen to you, when they choose to give you
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: their attention.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: Oh sure.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: And whereas in a conversation like I mean, we've all
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: had that moment where you're trying to tell a story
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: and then the conversation just goes on without you and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: you peter out, Like we've all had that. That doesn't
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: happen if everyone paid twenty bucks to see you perform, Like,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: they just don't do that. I mean, I guess they do.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Lots of people are root at shows, but less so
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: than in normal conversation, So that also reminds me of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: in my pure support group thing that I'm learning. One
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: of the challenges is managing the conversation because it's a
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: bunch of neurodivergent people. The interruptions, the people speaking over
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: each other, it's all very chaotic. And one of the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: things that the coach does is basically flight like air
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: traffic control for the conversation, Like there are procedures and
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: methods to like get the talking stick and hand the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: talking stick back and all this, because otherwise it would
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: be a chaotic, anxiety inducing free for all. And it's
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: it's been interesting seeing that, like, let's not try to
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: make this happen by feel Let's make this happen with
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: a procedure kind of like podcasting.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: Really yeah, I would say too, don't be afraid of silence,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Like if you're in a situation like that, sometimes it's
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: totally okay.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: The space to think can be very effective in bringing up,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: like the follow up to your point, Like sometimes you
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: just got to give it a few seconds to like
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: let the thoughts order themselves in your head. Okay, so
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: fall after the wedding, well, fall, so the wedding happens,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: and then like a week later is the Fall equinox
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: and we get to the season. We are currently in fall,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: where we are wrapping up the book with chapters thirty
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: three through the epilogue, and this covered the end of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Elaine's struggle for the Andoran throne, Matt getting two on
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: back to Sean Shan, but not before she marries him,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: and so finally being taken down. Soroth, who's been there
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: as an antagonist since book two, finally gets taken down
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: in this final section, and we're all happy about it.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Even though it's not great, we're still happy about it.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: I was a Surro hater slash lover. I loved I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: love to hate them, like I don't know, like I've
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: always enjoyed like them being around, So like, yeah, you're right,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: but I don't know, I got maybe I maybe my
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: hate wasn't as strong as some other people's because I
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: was always kind of amused and chuckled along, I suppose.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: And then Matt's really quick wedding, right, didn't it just
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: like kind of like blow pass and you had to
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: like read the chat, read like the sentence again, like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: did that just happen?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, basically she just says the words and then there's
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: it's faster than the Ogier wedding. Surprisingly, it's literally faster
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: than that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: A very romantic book. This book, this Knife of Dreams.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: It is a romantic book.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: There's two weddings they take, oh yeah.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: I need to take makes it three and then paired
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: and fail hook up 's four. We got all kinds
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: of romance happening.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I I have always liked Sroth as
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: a character because she's introduced so early and she stays
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: around for so I mean kind of like Leandren, right, like.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: That's like her. Yeah.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets kind of unsatisfying when a villain gets
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: brought up and killed off in the same book or
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: like within two books. It's like I didn't.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: Even get to like wonder where they were going to
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: pop up again.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: But like you know, land Fear obviously and Leandron and Surroth,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: like they're all book two antagonists and they just keep
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: showing up and you're like, which, which plot is gonna
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: like unearth this bitch again? And so yeah, losing Sourroth
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: is like, well, I guess we I guess we're we
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: have to say goodbye right to this this familiar villain,
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: but also she's been making such a strong argument for
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: getting kicked out of whatever power structure she's in. It's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: good to see that and like to have Tuan be
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: like no, it's like we love to see bad.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: People taking down bad people. It's good.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Hey, what else was I to think that?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: Was?
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: This is a fault of mine, I suppose, but I
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: feel like the like I said, the reason I like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Sirroth is because I was introduced to her earlier, so
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: like stuck in my brain more. And I think that
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: that's kind of like my fault where like I don't
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: really feel as attached to characters that were introduced like
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: in later books, because I feel like just I don't
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: know them as well, and it's like, who's this new person?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: Who's this another one? Okay?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: Right? Right?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Or is it like or if it's like a resurgence
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: of a character or somebody that's been around for a while,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: then you know, I'm more accepting of that, And like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: the huge I mean, I know you're not even there yet,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: but like all of a sudden, we got this new
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: main character of Andrel and we like him a lot,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: but it's like just kind of comes out of nowhere
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, dude, like take a backseat, come
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: on right, like.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Don't get in line at like book eight or something
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: if you want me to care as much. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: especially like when they introduce Mugeddi in. I feel like
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: when I was first reading through it, I was very like,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: is Leandron gonna take down mugeddy In? Because Leandron has
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: been an antagonist for a long time and then this
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: Mgeddian character just show. But I'm like, are you going
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: to add to the prestige of leandro and by being
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: taken down by her? And then the other thing happens,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: and like, oh I have to move that energy over
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: to Moghetti and herself. Yeah it could have been Yeah, yeah,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I think there is a diminishing return on when they
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: get introduced and how invested we are. But yeah, I mean, also,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: who doesn't like love the andrel storyline in and of itself.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: It's a very cool story and character onto itself, divorced
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: from the larger context. Like that's just a fact.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: It was very unexpected. I mean, I agree. I like
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: the dude a lot. I like his perspective a lot.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: I like the shadows a lot, but I mean it
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: was very unexpected and just kind of came out of
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: the blue, and I just thought it was weird because
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: I knew I was reading because the first time I
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: read Wheel of Time, the last book had already been written,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: so I was able to be one of those fortunate
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: people that just jumps in and reads it and doesn't
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: have to wait at all. So yeah, I was like,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: this is the last this is the next to last
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: book or the last book, and he's ticking up a
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: lot of screen time here, but you know, we're not
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: even there. We should even be talking a tangent about
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: andrel Wait your turn, buddy, Jesus.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I know you've already taken enough space.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I would have loved to see like Tom honest
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: having that level of energy exactly.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good character that like as cool. Everybody
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: agrees that they like him, but he doesn't really have
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: like huge standout moments like Angrel gotte Kit.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but as you say, to focus on this book, Yeah,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Elaine's struggle for the throne was something that I really
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: much like Matt, I appreciated it much more.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: In the podcast context.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: I had a very hard time enjoying it as a reader,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: but going through it not just slowly, but also with
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: the help of several people who really like that plot,
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: have multiple guests who are really into Elaine's plotted into
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Andoran politics, has helped me come to a better place.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, it dragged a little bit, but like,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: this is actually a fun story and Elaine is actually
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: very clever and worth following. And I enjoyed getting that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: arc pulled out of the doghouse in my mind into
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: something that's more like, no, this is this is fine.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: I used to really dislike it, and I don't anymore.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: I never disliked it, And I need to preface this
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: by saying that I am an Alaine lover. I like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: Elaine a lot. I think that her storyline in this
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: book is tar in my opinion. Okay, this is my
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: is my unpopular opinion. It's tarred by a lot of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: logistics and a lot of, like I was saying, a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: lot of names that you're kind of having to remember
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: who's on whose side. And I think it's the logistics
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: really that lost me. There was a lot of like
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: weaves in that plan and a lot of left turns
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: so I was confused the first time I read through that.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: I was just kind of like, well, I just read
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: something about Elaine, I guess, and now let's get on
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: the parent Yeah.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my first experience too.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: So you're right, it is something that should that That's
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: the reason that we have stuff like YouTube and recap
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: podcasts is to like, you know, have the nerds like
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: us delve into it and explain it and present it
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: in a more palatable way.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, even if you don't like.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: It, at least to have it make some kind of
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: coherent sense was like enough of a challenge for me
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: that it was like, but yeah, I'm still not hugely
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: plused on how much time we spent on logistics and
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: politicking that didn't actually lead.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Anywhere in the end. Again, it kind of feels.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Like we should have had that level of political intrigue
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: like books earlier, so that way, like those chickens could
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: come home to roost properly in book eleven, but instead
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: it kind of felt like it was all smooth at
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: the end, which a little bit dense, maybe a little
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: bit too much per chapter, But you know, also, siege
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: warfare is logistically complicated and like, and it's fun to
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: like sort of game out how traveling can change siege warfare, right.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like the thing with sieges is getting
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: resources in and out, and if you have gateways, like
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: that's a whole different siege. It's a fun sandbox to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: play in, I guess.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: But I'm thinking about like, obviously Robert Jordan can get
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: into a lot of different people's heads and can can
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: convey different people fantastic. And when I read like Matt's
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: chapters again with talking about me, I don't know, like
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm talking about the most popular guy
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: in school and like kissing his ass, and it's like,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: are you doing that? But when I read some of
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: his logistic chapters, they're kind of presented in a way
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 3: where he's talking like plain English to the people around him,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: and it's kind of like explained in a way that
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: I guess I can latch onto better. And then when
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: some of these like and it's not just this situation
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: with Elaine, there's many battles and skirmishes and city takeovers
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: that are not as fun to read. I think Matt's
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: perspective makes that fun because he kind of brings like
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: a Goofis's perspective to.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: It battles for dummies.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly Jordan's POV writing. Yeah, if you're
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: not into politics, then the way Elaine looks at politics
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: is going to be real slow going because she is
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: a politically minded person who does not simplify things. She
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: makes them more complicated. That's how she rolls and is
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: a testament to Argie's POV writing.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there's that I like Elaine from because, you know,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: a super fun thing saying that we all know I'm
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: not saying anything new here is like, you know, you
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: have this person's point of view, but then you get
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: this other person's point of view about that person. It's
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: completely different. And so I always like reading about Elaine
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: as opposed to like Elaine's point of view. I like
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: when she's like a character and they're talking about her,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: and it seems like I like her more when she's
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: like a third person type character. I don't know why.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think that.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just just a testament to Robert Jordan's strength
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: is that you can enjoy a character from some povs
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: and not from others, like but it's the same, like her, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: being internally consistent, but yeah, sometimes you don't want that
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: much under the hood of how things are working.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: Hey look, Sparklonia said, that's exactly correct. We were talking
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: earlier before we started recording, and I was like, you're
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: gonna agree with every one of my opinions because I'm always.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, yes, I saw that.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: Oh it wasn't talking to me, he was talking to
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: you doing it.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: This is also the book where we get some of
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: the most annoying, like most commonly binned as annoying Elaine stuff,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: not just the politics but her whole I am immune
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: to danger because I'm pregnant. This is the book where
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: she leans on that real hard during the politics. So
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: it's really just like a one two three punch on,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: like having a hard time with.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: Her nobody should have toward the future, that's right.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I am in agreement with the wise ones that a
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: person who knows their future is like really fucked. You
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: need to not know how your life is gonna go,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: because otherwise you'll go insane. Like I do believe that
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: there's something too that I don't know how to square
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: that with their future forward three ring turungrill bullshit. But
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: like it's just like a salvia trip, right, Like it's whatever.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's uh, knowing knowing your future is just bad.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: It's it's just it's it's a great device to create
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: problems in a plot, but it's not a thing to
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: aspire to.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun seeing like Elaane like not knowing
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: danger because she knew that she was going to exist
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: and she knew that her babies were going to live, right,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: wasn't that part of her thing where she was And
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: that was kind of fun, like being along with that ride.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's like annoying if you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: look at it again from a from a different view,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: it's like if you're there with her, it's like awful, right, Like.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Brigida is losing so much sleep and her hair is
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: going gray so fast, because that's not where she's at.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: That's she's in charge of protecting Elaine in the here
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: and now, not trusting into a vision of the future. Yeah,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: in in real life in the Fall, the thing I've
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: been most excitedly following in relatively local news is okay,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: this is is a bit of a tangent, which is
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: appropriate for this for this episode. Yeah, these okay, the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: salmon are returning, right, That's what happens in the fall,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: salmon return up the river. In northern California, there is
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: this river called the Klamath that flows from Oregon down
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: across the state border into the ocean. And for many,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: many decades, there have been dams on said Klamath River
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: that have been fucking the fish run. And for decades
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: there have been negotiations to try to get.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Those dams out of there.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: I think the dams started going in like one hundred
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: plus years ago and got built subsequently, and it's been
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: decades that, like, people have been trying to negotiate how
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: to get rid of the dams, because you have the
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: ranchers and the farmers who both expect the water, but
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: then you have the tribes who are like but the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: fish though and every other species. So it's been a
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: really long process of negotiating how can we make this work,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: how can we buy people out and change water demands?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: And like, I actually got taught some classes in in
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: my geography program from someone who had spent quite a
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: bit of time in those negotiations and was like, here's
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: why it's important to let every stakeholder say their piece
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: and like she was speaking very much from experience in
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: the Klamath basin, And just like a month ago, not
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: even the last dam came down, The last of the
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: four came down, and like two days later, salmon were
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: cited above the dam, like.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: Instantly word spread.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: And like a week or two later, like a week
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: or two ago, they made it all the way to
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: the headwaters in Oregon, like they have not been. The
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: salmon have not come up the Klamath to Oregon in
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: over one hundred years.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: See, I thought when they did dams they would make
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: I thought when they did a dam, they would make
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: some sort of spill way for the salmon to do
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: their thing. Did they not do that up there there?
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: That is a thing. I'm not totally sure.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that those did not exist when the
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: first dams went in one.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: Hundred years ago. Yeah, that's right, pretty sure.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm pretty sure that's why they weren't getting all
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: the way up. And the fish ladders are of limited efficacy,
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: shall we say. But yeah, it's a thing. But I
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: believe that some of the dance went in before that.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just the salmon runs have not been
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: able to get to those headwaters in like one hundred years,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: and yet with the year that it was possible, the
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: first year it was possible, they are like, oh, no,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: we know where we're going.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: We know where we're going.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: And it's just been a very like like regionally, a
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: very exciting story because it's just been such a contentious
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: issue for so long and is it too late blah
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: blah blah, and fish are like, no, we got this,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: don't worry about it, Like we're good.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: How's this for a tangent, you know how Like mice
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: will like learn a maze and then they'll like pass
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: on that DNA to like they're offspring who will know
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: the maze immediately. So I wonder if some of these
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: like old school like like Salmon's generation back like knew
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: the path and then like these other sand and have
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: like had that information but had nothing to do with it.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: They couldn't utilize that information because the dams were in
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: the way. Wouldn't that be neat if like that that
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: DNA was still kind of tucked in there and it's
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: like a memory that like pops up after like seventy
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: five one hundred years, like hey, I know the way,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: I just know it.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the way that they find their way
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: back to their correct headwaters, like to the exact stream
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: that they were born in, is by scent. That's how
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: they navigate back up. But yeah, it's kind of wild
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: to think that, Like, I mean, salmon can live for
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: like thirty forty years, like this is multiple salmon generations,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: and yet yeah, like that scent memory, that knowledge that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: there should be a path, like it wasn't gone yet,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: it had not yet been lost to whatever else was happening.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: It's like I kind of I sort of assumed it
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: would be like every year they get like a little
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: farther up as they like relearn. No, no, those memories
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: are crystal clear. Apparently in those little fishy brains they
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: don't have feelings, but they have excellent memory for geography.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: I take that back fish have feelings.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: You have feelings. Don't believe Covain, It's not true.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, that's been kind of the thing that
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: has been most like uppermost in my mind, aside from
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: coming down from Seth's wedding and everything has just been like.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: Ah, the salmond in the Klamate, it's so exciting.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: So consider that your little fishy info dump for the day. Yeah,
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, obviously, the other thing that's happening right
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: now is we have an election on, so everyone go vote.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: This episode will drop two days after the election, So
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: if you are listening to this immediately when the episode drops,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: this is your reminder to unclench your jaw and take
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: a deep breath. So I hope that everyone who's listening.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: Has registered and voted and done all that stuff.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: But that's the big tension that's, you know, hanging over
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: us all right now.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: And check your registration. If you haven't already done that,
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: now's a good time to do it, is to go
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: to like check your registration and make sure it hasn't
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: been pulled for whatever reason, because some states, including my
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: own Virginia, has been doing that, especially Pennsylvania as well,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: and especially if you live in a swing state. The
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: way that I did it is I'm a listener of
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: Podsave America and they have a channel that's called vote
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 3: Save America dot com. And if you go on that,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: you can link up and just make sure that your
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: registration is up to date and it'll even show you,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: like all the ways that you voted in the past
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: as well. It's neat stuff.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I live in Oregon, so we have vote by mail,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: which is fantastic, and we have a good interface online
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I actually had to reregister us because for
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: the first time ever, like somehow we managed to fall
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: off a list or something. But yeah, so I got
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: us to be registered and you can track your ballot too,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: which was very comforting, right because I just yesterday was
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: the news. Yeah, yes, so not in my area, but
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: it's uh, it was nice to be able to then
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: go on to like my vote dot gov I think
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: is the Oregon website, and like go and check and
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: it's like, yes, your ballot was received on this date,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: and like, okay, good, excellent, thank you.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: We've got early vote in here in Virginia, so you
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: can go to like three different spots and vote early.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: You've been able to do that for weeks now. But
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: I think it's really important just to make sure that
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: you are registered because if you go to the poll
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: and they're like, you were unregistered for X reason, you,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: I mean you could at that point if that happens
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: to anybody, all you have to do is ask for
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: a provisional ballot and they have to give you one
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: by law, but I mean if you try, they try
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: to knock you down with like some logistic crap. You know.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: That's why you take care of it now before you
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: actually go in there. But if for whatever reason you can't,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: provisional ballot is the way.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love living in Oregon because we've had vote by
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: mail for significantly longer than I've been eligible to vote.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: So it's a very like well set up system and
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: it works great. And I don't know if I would
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: be able to, like have the voting track record that
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: I do without vote by mail. Like vote by mail
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: really is the only way I can imagine being the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: level of consistent voter that I have been able to do.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: I've never missed an election because they send you the
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: stuff like weeks ahead of time and you have plenty
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: of time to do your homework and just do one
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: ballot measure per night or whatever your brain can handle.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: And I am a big fan of vote by mail.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: I think vote by mail rules, but yeah, early provincial
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: mail in, whatever whatever you gotta do to get those
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: votes in is important because.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Voting this has been the best year that I can
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: like really s that my vote matters because you know,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: me and my wife vote the same way too, but
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: this year my daughter can vote for the first time,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: so actually we have an added vote to like our
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: household now, which is really nice. So yeah, she's looking
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: forward to voting, so that's a big thing. She turned
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: eighteen and twenty twenty four, I'm gonna go back to
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: talking about personal stuff. I got to talk about my
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 3: personal things now that we're like at the last season here.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I've been having a lot of fun. It's
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: been the year of Steve. Basically, I'm gonna recommend all
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: of these leftover books and TV shows and movies that
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: I have on my list here that I didn't go through.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: I like my opinion in movies, Sparklonius, I think that
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: I great. Something for me is I like, I have
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: no tolerance for like forced dialogue, or for like a
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: forced like lame attempt at a connection or something, or
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: like a forced relationship on screen, or like dialogue that
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: doesn't really tie in with the main story. Like if
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: it's a movie that like just looks pretty and you've
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: got like a beautiful actor or actress and you're focusing
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: just on that, that's not for me. I like a
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: story that's like in depth and I dialogue that feels
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: not necessarily real, but feels meaningful, I guess is a
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: good way to put it. So, just recently, if you're
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: listening to this and this is already out, I watched
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: His Three Daughters on Netflix, which is a real, like
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: tear jerker type movie about like a fellow passing a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: way of cancer his last days and his three daughters
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: come and visit him. His three daughters being Carrie Koon,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Natasha Leone, and Elizabeth Olsen, like three powerhouse actresses. That's
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: a great movie. I highly recommend that one. CADW. Lake,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: which is on Max. It went straight to Max for
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: some reason, a fantas plastic time travel movie. That's a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: huge surprise. When you first start watching this movie, you
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: think you're watching a movie about a missing person in
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: a swamp type area, and then it quickly turns into
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: a sci fi movie. It's really neat and I highly
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: recommend that one for the same reasons the other shows
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: I've been watching. We're in the midst of watching The
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: Devil's Hour right now. It's fall time and The Devil's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: Hour is still coming out. The last episode just aired
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: a couple of weeks ago, so me and my wife
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: are enjoying that right now. Roller Derby is a show
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: that is on Max right now and it's like a
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 3: roller skating competition show where they have roller teams that
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: come and compete. It's like a Dancing with the Stars
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: type of show, except they're all on roller skates. I'm
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: a roller skate dad and my daughter is a roller
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: skate participant. You know, That's what we did for years.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: We would travel across country and do roller skate competitions.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: So we know people in this show. We know some
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: of the contestants. So it's really fun watching this show
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: and watching them do their thing and get judged by like,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: you know, the best judges ever. So that's really neat
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: being able to watch that show right now. And yeah, books,
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: check out the books. This year I read John Hodgman
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: Vacation Land, which is a really good book about vacation
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: and along the East coast of the Upper East Coast.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: I suppose Jeanette McCurdy's I'm Glad My Mother I'm Glad
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: my Mom's Dead, which is a great book written from
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: the perspective of like a twenty year old actress who
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: Grew Up Way too fast. Fantastic book. And the book
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: I'm reading right now is called I'm Starting to Worry
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: About This Little Black Box of Doom by Jason Parkin.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: And you've heard of this.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Jason Parkin is a frequent guest one behind the Bastards.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: So are you okay?
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've invited him on my podcast as well because
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: I'm really impressed with this stuff. He hasn't said yes,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: but he is nice. He's a very nice guy. But
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: I love this book. Almost finished with it now, and
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: I'd highly recommend it for everyone listening.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: Very cool, very cool.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: As you were talking, I suddenly realized I do have
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: one show that I watched this year that I would
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: recommend everyone check out, and that is Silo.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: It's on Apple List. Fucking amazing. It's a really good adaptation.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: Have you read the books of it?
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: I have not. I am I had, I had, Actually
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I forgot I had not read the third book because
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: it wasn't out when I read the first two and
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: I went to pick it up on my Kindle and
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I ooh, book three. I remember being angry
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: the book three wasn't out. So I'm halfway through book three.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: Now it's a really good book, really good show, really
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: good adaptation. Like there's things that are different, some pretty
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: big logistical things that are different, but the vibe, the tone,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: the claustrophobic, creeping paranoia of the books, it's like, oh no,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: they got that. And I have a fantastic cast. But
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: that was like the TV show that.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: I was just like, oh my god.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: And I guess season two is coming out like in November.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Shoulder than Yeah, yeah, November very soon.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: Apple TV is really on a roll with some of
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: their shows. Silo was great, season two coming out, Severance
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: just fantastic stuff, and season two is coming out of
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: that in January. Of course, Tom Bandits. I'm covering Time Bandits.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: That's on Apple TV. Another really good one is Sugar.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: They're like shows that start with the letter S a
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: lot Sugar, Are.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: You a Nice to Die?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: That's right? It stars Colin Farrell, Yeah, Colin Ferrell, and
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: it's great, really big surprise. He's like an old school
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: detect he wants to be like an old school sixties detective,
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: but he lives in twenty twenty four. It's a real
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: fun one. And my wife's just sent me a text.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: She said I was wrong. She must be listening from
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: the other room. Holy crap. She said. The show is
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: called roller Jam, not roller Derby.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: This show on.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Matt Carl It's friends on. That's right as we speak,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: roller Jam, So watch that nice.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: The book I would recommend is actually a pass along
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: recommendation from Seth. I have gotten obsessed with the Bob
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: a Verse like sex.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he talks about that a lot.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, they're so good. I literally cannot tell
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: you they're so good. Book five just came out. I
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: am part way through book four. I'm already very upset
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: that there's only five books. Narrated by Ray Porter, who
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: also narrated Project tail Mary. He's fantastic, absolutely amazing narrator.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: I would listen to him read me the phone book
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: backwards like he's great. But yeah, the Bob a Verse,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: it starts out with we are Legion, we are Bob,
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: and it just goes from there and I just it's
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: so fantastic, Like it's so fantastic. I'm just and it
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: follows really well after Project tail Mary. Honestly, there's a
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: lot of similar concepts with Aliens at the Star oridany
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: for some fucking reason, Like, okay, but yeah, I just
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: I have been deep in the throes of listening to
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: that and just being obsessed with it, and it's.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: Just so good. I've been mostly I've been reading nonfiction.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: I've been having a hard time with fiction.
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, but these books I am not having a hard
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: time with Oh my god, they're so good.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: Well, if you're like in if you're like in nonfiction stuff,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: I got to do the Subculture Vulture again. Don't forget
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: about that.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to write that down.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're recording this right now, so you can
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: go back and listen and all that stuff. Mosha Cashier
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: Subculture Vulture.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: That's that's very, very cool. I have so many books
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to read.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, let me recommend a little book i'm reading. I'm
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: reading right now. Pick it up every now and then.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: It's called The Fires of Heaven. It's book five of
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: the series Game of Thrones.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: Oh my god. I've been rewatching Game of Thrones just
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: because I wanted, Like, I finished How to the Dragon,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: and I was like, I never really finished Game of Thrones,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: so like, why not rewatch it? I know it? It's
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: bad at the end, but it was really good and
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: genre defining at the start, and I'm about at the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: inflection point now and I'm just like watching through like
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: my fingers, like, oh my god, why am I watching this?
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: But also i have to watch it. Like the Boba
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: Verse is written by Dennis E. Taylor, and he's also
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: written a bunch of other stuff that is also narrated
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: by Ray Porter. I might have to become a Taylor
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: Porter obsessed person for a while because it's just really engaging.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: Both of them do a very good job in their
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: respective fields. Oh you're talking about cars, have haven't?
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know someone Robert James, George, Yeah, Sander, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: yeah we could.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: We could definitely be trading movies and book talk all
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: day because that's it's just one of the funnest things
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: ever and makes for great podcast content, honestly, just trading
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: these sorts of things back and forth. But we've been
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: going for about an hour and forty minutes, so start
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: to wrap this up. As far as next season, I'm
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: not quite sure when we're gonna start up again. Uh,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: We're gonna take our at least a week break. But
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: like I said, Seth had something come up. He'll be
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: letting you know about that, So I don't know if
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: that's gonna get in the way of our usual recording times.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: So everyone just be in a band.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: We'll be back eventually with the next book and going
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: to get into the Sanderson books.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: It might take us a while to like decide.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: To do Sanderson books because like we have to, but
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: also it's not Jordan, So everyone be patient. I'm not
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: sure quite when we'll come back. Otherwise, Yeah, what do
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: you have going on in your podcast coming up? Is
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: it just more Time Bandits all the way down?
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Not necessarily, like we're we have about three more episodes
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: of Tom Banders to recap. As I said, we're we
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: did his Three Daughters. We like to do like one
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: off movie episodes and we'll always do that. But when
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: it comes to shows, once we finished Time Bandits, that'll
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: put us at December, and at that time there's a
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: Netflix series coming out based on the South American fantasy
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: novel One hundred Years of Solitude, So I think that
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Lindsey and myself are going to be recapping that show
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: on Netflix, and that'll take us up through about the
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: same time that wheel of time will season three starts up. Obviously,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: James and myself are amped about Wheel of Time season three,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: so we'll be recapping that, and then if we have
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: any time or any episodes to do. We've decided because
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: I like fantasy and I like time travel, but James
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: likes cartoons and James likes more silly stuff, so we're
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: gonna do Time Squad probably late twenty twenty five, which
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: is like a cartoon cartoon show that came out about
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: two thousand and two by a little kid and then
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: a superhero and then a robot and they travel and
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: like these little short, eleven minute episodes. So we'll just
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: you know, have fun watching that and talk about whatever
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: time travel area they go to. So anything time related
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: TV show, movie, you'll find it at Sweets Out of
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: Time Plugging myself now, Intro Void is my music, and
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 3: I'm always releasing new music. I have stuff with Lindsay
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: Dunn that's coming out. Our fourth song, which is called
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: tell Me About Paradise, will be out anytime now. But
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: I just released some remixes, some rap remixes like Summertime,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: slow Jam rap kind of stuff that's out on my
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: Introvoid label as well which is on Spotify and Apple
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: and everywhere. So that's me. How about you. Well, you
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: just told us what you're through to me. Now I'm
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: trying to throw right back to you again.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I actually do have one more thing to plug,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: which I should have mentioned earlier, which is I mean
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: I did mention it briefly, but I will put another
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: big plug here for my My newest podcast, used to
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Sew used number two Sew and that is a podcast
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: I'm doing with my mom, So you can actually listen
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: to what I will sound like in the last thirty years.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: You can hear her and we're talking about sewing machines,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Sewing culture, and sewing history are kind of three main
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: pillars of what we want to talk about are the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: history of the sewing machine, my mom's personal experience with
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: selling singer sewing machines in the twilight era of sewing machines,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: which is the eighties, and then also the evils of
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: and solutions to fast fashion. Those are kind of our
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: three big pillars. We kind of rotate each episode sort
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: of focuses more on a different one of those pillars.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: It's really fun. She's she's a performer, she has all
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: these like performing storytelling folksy skills, and then I of
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: course have my podcasting framework, so we record a session
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: together and then I'll kind of put an intro an
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: outro text on it myself, and then you get this
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: like edited version of my mom telling you like a
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: story of like the first time she ever made a
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: sewing machine sale and it was really really weird or
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: like the history of the Singer Sewing Machine Company, because surprise, surprise,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Isaac Singer, the eponymous person, was actually not involved in
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: most of the history of the Singer Company. He was
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: pushed out very very early, I think coming we've done
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: some Halloween episodes, so we've got one about scary stuff
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: you find in sewing machines that have been left alone
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: for fifty years, as well as a costuming discussions about
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: you know, making Halloween costumes. I know, we have a
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: two parter coming up about electricity, like rural electrification and
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: that whole thing. So it's very very widespread. It's not
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: just like crafting and sewing. It's not that like occasionally
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: we'll get into like how to make something or how
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: to deal with a machine, but all so we're just like,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: what's the sewing culture right, like why did rural electrification happen?
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: How did Soey machine sales go down? So we've got
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of content in the pipeline that hasn't come
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: out yet, so there's not going to be any like gaps.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: We're actually doing the thing where we record.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: A lot ahead of time.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I would love it if people here came
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: over and gave that a spin used to sew. You
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: can find us on the places you find podcasts. There's
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: always going to be a link in the show notes
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: for these episodes because it is a Fox and Raven
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: media production. I'm having lots of fun with sound effects
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: for this podcast. We don't really do sound effects, you know.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: I actually put on the episode that will come out
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: in two days does have a sound effect in it,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: because now I have a folder full of sound effects
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: and I just was like, oh, I could just drop
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: one in. Want spoilers, But it's been interesting for you
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: to sell. I'm like, I know how to make podcasts,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: and then I go up to make this podcast and
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: my mom's asking me to do all this stuff that
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I've never done before. Blend this together. They're at a
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: sound effect there, put bumpers here and suddenly I feel
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: like a little baby who's never done a podcast before, because, like.
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  Speaker 2: It turns out, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: How to podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I know how to do a very specific kind of puch.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, there's other skills to learn in this in
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  Speaker 1: this world, and so it's been very fun having her
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  Speaker 1: challenge me.
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  Speaker 2: To step up to that.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, first episode is maybe a little rougher
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  Speaker 1: than the later episodes, but we're having a lot of fun,
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  Speaker 1: and I hope that you and everyone can come give
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  Speaker 1: us a spin and learn all the things you never
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  Speaker 1: thought you needed to know about long shuttles or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to gesture over here to my in
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  Speaker 3: my room, but there's a case in the way. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we got a singer sow a machine right back there,
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  Speaker 3: right behind me. So we're your target audience a radio.
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  Speaker 1: Very very nice. But is it a singer or does
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  Speaker 1: it just look like a sing?
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  Speaker 3: Well, do you want me to find out? Yes, it's
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  Speaker 3: a singer.
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  Speaker 1: It's literally a singer, all right, excellent, excellent. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: have a singer straight stitch machine, a Centennial, and I
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  Speaker 1: also have a sears Ken Moore that does fancier stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Because you actually can never have too many sewing machines,
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  Speaker 1: that is a literal fact.
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  Speaker 2: As long as each.
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  Speaker 1: Machine does something different, you can't have multiples. But having
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  Speaker 1: a solid straight stitch that just does straight stitch, and
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  Speaker 1: then also having one that does your zigzags and your fancy.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff interesting, then having a surger.
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  Speaker 1: Also, my mom's talking about getting me another machine to
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  Speaker 1: have set up just for buttonholes so I don't have
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  Speaker 1: to like get out the buttonhole er every time. I
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  Speaker 1: could just have a machine for buttonholes.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, this sounds like you see these see these multiple
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  Speaker 3: guitars back here, you get multiple guitars like I want
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  Speaker 3: to have this one in this tune and I want
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  Speaker 3: this sound like this, when really all you need is
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  Speaker 3: one guitar, but when you really get into it, you
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  Speaker 3: got to have multiples.
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  Speaker 1: My mom would agree with you that you do need
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  Speaker 1: multiple access in different tunings.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is very much a thing.
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  Speaker 1: So many basses. I have so many basses. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a very fun time. I love getting to
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  Speaker 1: talk about a tactile skill, and it's also gotten me
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  Speaker 1: back in my sewing room, Like I have that kind
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  Speaker 1: of relationship with sewing where I either do it to
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  Speaker 1: the exclusion of everything else, or I don't do it
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  Speaker 1: at all. But having this podcast has kind of got
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  Speaker 1: me in a little No. I can go into the
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  Speaker 1: sewing room for just two.
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  Speaker 2: Hours, it's okay. I don't have to live there for the.
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  Speaker 1: Next seven weeks. Like I can come out again, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's okay. And I've actually like gotten a little more
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: amending done because I'm going into the room and just
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: just standing there looking at all my stuff, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I should probably ham those pants.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be good.
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  Speaker 1: It's been good both creatively in terms of the computer
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  Speaker 1: and also creatively in terms of getting me into a
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  Speaker 1: tactile skill that is not a computer because I spend
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: too much time on computers.
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  Speaker 2: I need more stuff that involves hand eye coordination.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: On that note, go forth and touch things people.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, have a great one. Thank you for having me
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  Speaker 3: on a radio. Pants over there in the discord. You'll
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  Speaker 3: be hearing from me sometime between now and what idle
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, thank you so much for coming.
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  Speaker 2: It was really good chatting with you. I will definitely
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  Speaker 2: have to have you back because you.
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  Speaker 1: Got lots of good recommendations and opinions, so you know it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you all right, Well, with that, I'm going to
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