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SLOW LEARNING · The Karen Kenney Show

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  Karen Kenney: Hey you guys. Welcome to the Karen Kenney show. I'm super duva, excited to be here with you today, and I think I'm just gonna dive right into this Sucka Happy
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  New Year. This might be the first episode of 2025, episode 296, I think I'm going to call this suck a slow learning, slow learning, and it's inspired by something that one of
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  my one to one clients said to me, there's somebody that's also in the nest my group a spiritual mentoring program. But I had, I had written, I had written something in the
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  group, and then they responded with this, and their quote was like, really fantastic, and I'll read that to you in a moment, but it got me to thinking about this idea of
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  slow learning, because we a culture that is obsessed, obsessed with fast outcomes, quick results, right? Let's like, big bang, boom. Like, let's get done. Like, people just want
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  things right now, immediate gratitude, gratification, right? And my, my whole experience as as a human being has learned that. Has taught me that, and I have learned
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  that most things take a little bit of time to get into this thick skull of mine, like, I don't know about you, but Hello, hello. My noggin could be a little dense sometimes.
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  And here's the thing, I'm smart, right? I'm smart. I'm not necessarily, maybe, like, astrophysicist smart or whatever, but I'm pretty intelligent, you know, I'm not an
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  idiot, I'm not a total idiot, and I sometimes need some time to, kind of like, simmer, you know, I need the soup to simmer. Oh, my God. And we are in a, I don't know,
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  double Amen hands, if you can feel me. Is there some lessons? Are there some things that it's taken you a little while to, like, learn and wrap your head around and go, Oh,
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  that's what that was. Hello, okay. But we're a culture that is obsessed with, like, getting things done fast and let's go, and I'm paying for results, and I want the
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  quickness. So rather than learning to fall in love with learning, rather than like falling in love with learning in the process, because, hello, learning is a
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  process. But rather than falling in love with that, we just want things to like happen right now. And look, I don't think these fucking devices, like these phones,
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  the tablets, the internet, the interwebs, the socials, I don't think any of those things have really helped us or our nervous system. I just think that we have started to
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  miss out on so much goodness, because we are in search of the fast everything. We want it super sized, we want it cheap, and we want it fast, and that is just not for me, where
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  I have learned that I need again. I need slow learning environments sometimes. And so many people, so many teachers, so many marketers, so many online whatever, the
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  people who are like, quote unquote leading others, the quote unquote influences and the coaches and the teachers and all the things, right to me, so many people have just like
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  lost the plot. They have totally lost the point. And at this point, it seems like all they're teaching for is results and outcomes. And they're not really, they're
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  not really going deep into the importance of process, the process of learning things. And I made myself a few notes so I wouldn't forget, because this is important to me. So
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  I wrote down this. I said, rather than teaching like in a style or in a way, or stressing the importance of first hand experience, right, instead of leading
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  towards that, rather than first hand experience or the process of acquiring knowledge through implementation, we just want things fast, and we're like, here's a
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  little graphic and here's a little three steps of this, and blah, blah, blah, blah. But I know to be true this for my own first hand experience. My evidence has been that I
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  need first hand experience and that the process of me acquiring knowledge is through implementation. Is through action. Is through spending some time with something
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  and figuring shit out right, learning true, learning to make something your own. To take something from a source out there, like a book or a podcast or a course or mentoring
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  or whatever, right? That stuff takes time to sink in. Learning takes time. And I said, you know, if all you want, if all you want is a particular outcome or a certain result,
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  then you are going to miss out on all the nuances and all the gifts that come from the actual process of learning, including what comes in. The process of learning is the
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  challenges, is the confusion, is the setbacks, is the discovery, is the two steps back, three steps forward. It's the Oh shit, it's the I don't get it right. All the stuff
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  that goes into learning. It takes time. Now look, there are certain things where we do have light bulb moments, right? There are certain times when we're listening to
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  something and all of a sudden it's like, boom, something clicks and it falls into place. But what's usually clicking and falling into place is the time that you've
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  already spent trying to understand something, and then all of a sudden, that missing piece is delivered from maybe an outside source, whether, again, it's a book,
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  it's a podcast, it's something you read, it's something you heard, it's a quote, whatever. And you're like, oh, like, all of a sudden, as we jokingly say in
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  Massachusetts, light dawns over my whole head, right? Like the sun comes up and you are illumined to something. It's like, oh, like, no. Like, Oh my God. Like hitting
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  yourself in the forehead. Like, oh, I just realized it. But so much learning, especially, I think so much learning, has changed, because the delivery system has
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  changed. You know, when I think back in the day when they had, like, if you think about tradesmen and craft people, right, you had to apprentice, right? Like you had to go
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  like a modern day, like internship, right? So back in the day, you had to go and in order to become a welder, in order to become a blacksmith, in order to become a Mason, in
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  order to become a carpenter, in order to become somebody who could gather knowledge and skills that then you could use in a smart way and not build dangerous shit that
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  that was gonna fall apart. You had to spend some time over years upon years upon years. You see it even in like people who have a sensei or people who have you know, and I
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  believe that we all have our own greatest guru within us, our own greatest inner teacher within us. And I also think that, you know, sometimes we do need an external
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  teacher. We do need an external source of information, of inspiration that can guide us and support us. However, the greatest teacher and the greatest guru lives within
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  our own hearts.
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  However, having said all that, if we are gonna spend time right with an external teacher, it often takes some time. Most people, like, they just want things super
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  duper fast, like I said, like, a lot of times by the time you hire a mentor like myself or a coach or whoever you know, you've been struggling for a while. You've
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  been suffering for a while. You've been like, stuck for a while. You've been trying to figure shit out on your own, right? So a lot of times by the time you're like, I'm
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  desperate now, or I've banged my head against the, you know, the wall enough times, or I've been frustrated long enough, or I've been like, I said, been suffering or
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  in pain long enough, and then you you go looking for external help. That's all great, but even that, it requires, often, some time, like, to first of all, build rapport
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  and build trust, and then start to get some information and some knowledge, and then actually starting to apply it so that you can learn it yourself, so that you're not
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  you don't just end up regurgitating information and things which I'm going to talk about that at the end as well. Okay, so if we insist on being in a rush, you know, I
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  know people who try to, like, speed read through books, or, you know, they'll say to me, like, oh, yeah, I read that book. I read that book. I know. I know, I know those two
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  words. That is the antithesis of all learning. I know I'm like, if you just walk around thinking you know everything, if you insist on having I know brain instead of,
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  like, begin his mind right, then you you aren't even teachable. You are not learnable because you walk around thinking you know everything. But these days, so much learning
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  has been reduced to like Cliff Notes or screenshots or quick takeaways. It's like the five tips to this, the six steps to that, the seven hacks to have a better
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  whatever. Right. Right? We like everything, like, distilled down to these little, little, little sound bites and these little clips and these little digestible things,
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  which I'm not saying they don't have their place, but you're missing out on the full meal, right? It's the difference between having, like, a SIP or a bite of something.
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  And you're like, think you got it all figured out from that one thing. I'm like, No, you can't just eat that thing and then know how to create the rest of the meal,
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  right? Like, you gotta spend some time with things. And here's the thing, we must be willing. We must be willing, you know, to slow down and be with things, to think about
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  things, to try on things, to be in a process and in a relationship with things, so that we can assimilate, so that we can integrate, so that we can spend time with implementing
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  things. This takes time. This is what slow learning is all about. Is not being in a rush to try to get to some specific or certain outcome, you know? I mean, it's so
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  that you can actually start to understand the information and implement it and integrate it, so that you can start to own it for yourself. And what a lot of people
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  are good at is ingesting information, like reading it or, you know, hearing it or whatever. And then maybe they could do, like, have aI write them some fucking Cliff
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  Notes or whatever, some like show notes, or some, like quick things where they can, like, regurgitate it or whatever. But that's not actually learning. That's just the
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  ability to try and look smarter than you are. And
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  we often actually don't need more information. I talk to a lot of people, especially fellow entrepreneurs and stuff, and they they like, oh my god, I have like a
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  graveyard. I have, like a graveyard of courses that I bought but never actually did, or I listened to them, but I didn't actually take any action, like I bought them
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  and then they sat on my desktop, or they sat in a folder, but I never actually went back and did it or used it. We don't often need more information. We seem to be actually
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  overwhelmed and inundated. Our nervous systems are completely overwhelmed by how much input is coming in. What we actually need is to kind of like, have better filt
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  filtration systems. Maybe stop buying 8000 things, try to go deep on, maybe like one thing, or find a teacher or a source that you trust build, take time to build rapport
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  or relationship with an actual human being, and not just their quote, unquote content, right? And then see if you can, then start to learn some of those things and apply it
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  trial and error, right? Try it. Fall down. Screw up. Like, pick yourself up. Try it again. You know what I'm saying. But again, this takes time, like slow learning. And the
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  other thing I was saying is like true knowledge, like truly understanding something, like truly having, quote, unquote, learned, something that you can
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  then apply to your own life, and maybe a helpful way, or a healing way. True Knowledge requires work. It requires some effort, you know, and a lot of times, you
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  know, I think about certain yoga teachers, like, like people who have been around for a wicked long time. I mean, I've been around for a really long time, but there are people
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  who have been around, you know, even longer than me. And they said, one of the ways that I learned how to be a great yoga teacher, or a great teacher, is I basically spent time
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  in my teacher's presence? Is that I like, literally, like, spent as much time as I could with them, and I watched them, and I listened to them, and I noticed what they
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  did, right? I even know one, one teacher who had a guru that he cared for, like he literally was put in his care, like he was, like, tasked with caring for him. So he
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  would, like, deliver his tea, and he would deliver his meals, and he would listen to his lectures, and he was learning, like, you know, the system, the system of yoga from
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  him. And this is like back in the day, but he said, when he shaved his head, I would shave my head. When he crossed his legs, I would so he started to embody, and it's not
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  about becoming like the other person, but it is about sometimes learning the attributes of that. And I think this is what is often, where a lot of times it gets lost in
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  Christianity, where I'm, like, the whole point of like, you know, Jesus is, was an embodiment of love. He was, like, the living example of love. And you want to try, like,
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  if you're a Christian, if that's your thing, right? Then, then the point is, is to follow in those footsteps of that deep level of. Passion and love and not exclusivity, not
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  hate, not shame, not exclusion, right? So I think sometimes things get lost in translation, but you gotta be willing to spend some time in the presence of love to
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  start to really understand it, because it's not like most of us were brought up in Wicked like some people I know, some people I know, I think it's beautiful. They brought
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  up and been brought up in home environments where they felt really seen and encouraged and heard and loved. And it's not that their parents were perfect, but their parents had
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  good emotional regulation and good emotional intelligence. And they could own their shit and apologize when they blew it and saw that they were perfect people, but they
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  understood they were imperfect, and so they apologized, and they used their words, and they taught their kids, you know, how to have good self confidence and self esteem
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  and self respect and self integrity and self love. And not all of us grew up that way. So true knowledge, I think, requires slow learning. It requires us to spend time not
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  just with like external teachers, but also with ourselves, also with sources of like, great information, or great knowledge or great wisdom. And whether that's like, you
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  know, I think about like A Course in Miracles, like I've had like, a 30 year relationship with with that material, right, with that teaching tool. And I've had a
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  wicked long relationship with yoga. I've had a really long relationship with veganism. Like, there are things that I've had really long standing, you know, come from a
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  lineage, like, come from a tradition, and have spent time with, and those are the things that I most confidently can share with others, because I have my own point of
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  view on those things. I've taken it in, and I've spent enough time with them to actually have an opinion or a thought or, you know, might be able to share a perspective that
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  other people find helpful, you know. And one of the things that I often see these days as I'm thinking about this slow learning, which drives me kind of crazy, is that whole TLDR.
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  I'll never forget the first time I saw TLDR. And I'm like, I'm not hip enough to know what that is, so I had to look up with the cool like, what is it? What do the kids say?
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  What is this? TLDR typed on a thing mean, and it stood for too long, didn't read, oh my god, the bullshit. I was just like, what is happening right now? No, I understand to
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  be fair, to be fair. I understand there might be times where somebody is just doing a post that just goes on and on and on and on and on. It's like, what's the point like?
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  Get to the point like, I didn't, you didn't need to tell me those 17 things, right? But a lot of times, things are more complicated than a quick little spiritual meme or a
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  little quote card or a little like one minute blip from your podcast, right? Some things need more space to be shared and to be felt and to be understood. And I think
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  we're becoming a little bit lazy. I think we're becoming a little bit shallow, not all of us, not everybody all the time. I'm not saying and I'm not even finger wagging. I'm
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  just so much of what this podcast is, is me just looking around the world with my own and we all have our own unique perspective. This just happens to be mine. This is why
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  it's the Karen Kenney show. It's just me just kind of looking around and noticing some things and reporting back what moves me, what's exciting me, what's lighting me
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  up, what I learned, what I don't like, what I like, what you know, blah, blah, blah, you know. This is, this is a podcast. This is a show that, for me, is one of the ways that I
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  get to spread more love in the world. And one of the things that I think we're losing at, and I think these things are just as important, you know, we part of love, is
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  being able to look at things and say, This doesn't seem right. Is it just me? Right? Is it just me? But the whole TLDR thing, it's a lack of patience. It's a lack of, sometimes
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  nervous system regulation to be able to sit still long enough to think on a thing, or to listen to a thing, or hear a thing or pay attention to a thing. You know, we don't
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  just have, like a loneliness epidemic. We have a patience epidemic. And again, I don't think the devices have really helped at all. I think that that instant gratification,
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  that seeking a quick fix, or that dopamine hit, you know, it hasn't really served us. And I think that in 2025 instead of going so wide and so broad, like to me, I think
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  there's a calling right now to have more vertical living, to go deeper, to have more depth in our relationships and our experiences, and to not just try to get
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  like, the like, like I said the, you know, what are the things that? I called it fast outcomes and quick results. You know, if we're only as teachers and as people who.
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  Have podcasts, or our coaches and mentors and or share information. You know, if we kowtow to what the algorithm wants in in like, I'm just not really a person who
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  really plays by the rules. And, trust me, I think sometimes to myself, Man, I bet I would. I would have like,
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  maybe I would have more financial success, or more whatever success, if I played by the pace and the rule that most of the world runs by. But I'm just not interested. And
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  I'm it's not that I'm not interested because I'm trying to be different or rebellious. It just goes against the grain of who I am. Like, I literally feel my body contract when
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  I see most of the marketing and most of the the way that the world is, like showing up online, like, it's just not that fucking interesting to me at all. And again, I'm not
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  I'm not trying to be special. I'm just trying to be myself. Like, here's an alternative way, you guys, is we could actually slow down and we could spend some
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  time with some stuff, and we could go deep, and we could really, really learn, because one of the pitfalls of ingesting fast information, and I'll give you an example.
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  Here's an example. Okay, yoga teaches new. Yoga teaches. So one of the things that a lot of people don't know is that the way that a lot of yoga studios survive, not all,
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  but many. The way that they survive, especially in this climate, is that they run ytts. They run yoga teacher trainings. That's where they get a good hit or a good
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  bulk of their money, because a bunch of people pay up front, like 3000 4000 whatever it is, right? Doll is so the studio gets a big cash infusion, which they can then pass
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  out over the rest of the year to keep their studio viable. Not saying all, just saying many, I don't need the yoga police coming for me. Okay, but one of the things that I
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  often see as a Teacher of teachers, I am a yoga teacher for yoga teachers, oftentimes, and when I have done workshops and stuff like that for other yoga teachers, what you
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  realize, and especially with newbie teachers. And this isn't, I'm not being mean. I totally know why this happens. This is what happens a lot of times. Is in the
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  beginning, because they're basically fire hose with a lot of information, right then they're expected to, like, go out and teach, because they're first of all trying to make
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  not and not everybody who takes a ytt goes on to teach. Sometimes they just do it for their own self knowledge. They want to understand more, right? They have no
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  intention of teaching. So just understand that everything that I'm saying has exceptions and nuances, okay, but a lot of times, new yoga teachers are fire hose with
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  a lot of information, and then they want to get back out there and start to make money. First of all, they want to use this skill set. They're excited. A lot of times it's
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  ego, right? They want to be seen as a yoga teacher or an authority in their field, or whatever the whatever people think to be a yoga teacher means. And then they also are
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  trying to recoup the money that they just invested in their in their training. But a lot of times, in the beginning, they're basically just parroting. Right? Think about
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  what parrots do. They mimic. They hear what they hear, what their owner does, and then they just regurgitate it. They repeat it, right? So in the beginning, a lot of times,
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  what yoga teachers are doing is they're just memorizing things. They're mimicking things, and then they're parroting. They're regurgitating them back often in the style
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  and the voice of their teachers eventually, over time, if you stick with it long enough and you practice long enough what you learned and you continue with your own
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  practice, things will start to settle in. You'll start to have your own perspective, you'll start to have your own voice, you'll start to have your own wisdom. But in the
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  beginning they don't know how to do this, and a lot of times what people do. And I'm just using yoga teachers as an example, because that's a field that I have a lot of
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  experience in, right? So I've done this workshop called Reading the room, like reading the room with the teacher's eye. And I've done workshops on assists, like hands
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  on assists, and putting your hands on people and knowing what to look for. So when you have a room full of people in front of you as a yoga teacher, and you're trying to keep
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  everybody safe and have a good experience, right? Teaching isn't just backing a bunch of information at people. It's not Simon Says. You have to be able to see how what
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  you're saying is landing. You have to be able to see through what their bodies are doing, how their mind is interpreting what you're saying. There's so much more to the
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  whole process, and it is definitely a slow learning process, because one of the things that I do, there's an exercise that I do. I'll often take a person, I put them in the
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  middle of the room on a mat. I ask them to show like, call out a pose, warrior two, Virabhadrasana, whatever right come into this pose. And then I just have all the yoga
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  teachers stand around, and I say, tell me what you see. Tell me what you see here. Because one. Of the things that I often hear from yoga students who have gone out into
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  the world and taken classes in other studios and with other people is they've often come back and they've said they didn't correct me once they I and they're like and I even saw
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  some people like dada, dada, and I said, you know, and they've given me feedback about their experiences, and I've said, because a lot of teachers actually don't know how to
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  teach because they haven't spent enough time first doing their own slow learning. They know how to regurgitate, they know how to memorize, they know how to create a
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  sequence, and then they just back it out, but they're not actually like able to serve the people in front of them. They don't know how to problem solve yet. They don't know
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  what to do with that person who I put in the middle of the room, because they might be able to tell, well, it looks like their knees too far forward, maybe or but
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  sometimes they can't even see what the problem is. And I'll say, tell me what you see. And they freeze, and they all kind of go quiet, and they all kind of look at me
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  and they I'm like, This isn't like a test where I'm trying to be mean. I'm trying to help you to learn to see what the teacher's eye and look at this is not when we try to
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  do fast outcomes, fast results, immediate like whatever, and when, when you have a culture that is teaching for quit out quick outcomes, you're not actually helping people
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  to be able to help themselves. And I'm the kind of person that when I mentor somebody or coach somebody I like, I'm not interested. I always say this. I'm not
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  interested in creating co dependent relationships. I love working with people for long periods of time. That's why I love when my one to one clients will do, like
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  four months with me, maybe take a break, come back, or do eight months straight, or a year straight, or whatever it is, because we get to go deep, and we get to have this time
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  where those skill sets, those tools, those things that I share, you know, they start to become their own. They start to make sense, because they have enough time to absorb
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  them. They have enough time to spend time with themselves and with this information, to start to like alchemize it. I do think of this work that I do as alchemy. You know,
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  we're putting in some contents and we're getting something else out of it. That's the whole your story to your glory process. It's an alchemization. It's, it's, it is a form.
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  I say it's miracles and magic. There's a lot that's happening there. But if you're not willing to spend some time investing in yourself, investing your energy, yeah, some
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  money, your finances, your attention, your willingness to learn, your willingness to unlearn and relearn. I'm gonna do a whole podcast about that. We gotta let shit
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  percolate. You know what I'm saying? And right now, I feel like we're all like, I feel like I've been in a microwave. I just feel like I'm in a microwave being zapped
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  with all these rays and all this energy and all this noise and all this bullshit, but when you take the meal out of the microwave, it tastes like crap. It doesn't even taste
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  like food. It tastes kind of dead. All the life, all the wisdom, everything's out of it. There's no nutrients. There's no nourishment, like we need, like, some crock
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  pot. We need, like, some crock pot learning. We need some nice, slow, low heat, little bit of a simmer. You lift the lid. There's an aroma. Some stuff is cooking. Some stuff
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  is brewing, right? Some shit is happening. You know what I'm saying? Oh, man, no more microwaving. Maybe I should call this episode microwave versus the crock pot.
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  That's how it kind of feels. We want that depth and flavor that comes from that wisdom, that knowledge that comes from slowing down, taking our time. There is so
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  much wisdom as this. There is so much, so much possibility in this and so now I'm going to finally tell you the quote that inspired this whole, this whole thing. So
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  my, my, one of my, one of my former one to one clients. What she basically said is, we were talking about a particular book, and I was talking about how this book is, is a
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  great addition to a DSP, a daily spiritual practice. And I was saying, how, oh, I send this book to all of my one to one clients. And this person said, Yeah, I was, I was
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  very fortunate. I was a very fortunate recipient of the book during my invaluable one to one work with you. That's so sweet. And they said, at one point, 1.01
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  point, I am understanding more and more is that I may not receive clarification immediately while doing one to one work, but it seems to percolate into fabulous aha
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  moments. I am so grateful now. This is something I have heard again and again. Again, there are people who have worked with me, like I said, some people for four
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  months, six months a year, whatever, and everybody learns a little bit differently. There are people that pick up stuff, certain things, like, right away. There are other
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  people who they're like, three months out and they're like, oh my god, I just had this situation happen, and I just realized what you've been telling me, right? I had, I have
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  a friend and a client say to text me the other day they posted something. They posted something that Mel Robbins had posted, or whatever. If you don't know who Mel Robbins
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  is, she's like a online personality coach. Has written a bunch of books, right? And Mel, Mel said something, and I just wrote underneath it to my my friend who shared it,
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  and I just wrote, Yep, exactly. And they wrote back, and they says, This is what you this is exactly what you've been teaching me all these years. And I'm like, Yep, exactly,
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  right. I'm like, I may not be posted about it all the time on social own media, but there is sometimes clarifications in things that start to happen over time. I've had
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  people who do one to one work and they come away and they're like, they're kind of a little confused, and they're like, sometimes, you know, not everybody, like,
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  thinks like, this is the best experience of my life. I've never had bad I've never had bad feedback or anything like that. But what often happens is, like I said, three months,
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  six months, a year afterwards, I'll get, sometimes years afterwards, I'll get a note from somebody that says, Oh, my God, all that work that we did together is starting
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  to just show up in my life in the most amazing ways. So what I'm trying to say is slow learning is a really important thing. And if we insist on microwaving things, if
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  we insist on fast tracking things, if we're only teaching as teachers for certain outcomes. And you know, like the cliff note version of this, because we like there are
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  people who study the psychology of human markets, meaning there are people who study how people respond to the algorithm, to time, to content. And people will say to me
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  all the time, nobody wants to read some long ass. And I'm like, You're wrong, because I want to read it because I'm a reader and I'm a writer and I love long form things, I will
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  sit down and watch a two hour, three hour, you know, Podcast. I'm a person who likes there to be space in room for things to be digested. Why do you think the Nest has been
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  going on for years? Why do you think people in the nest keep coming back, month after month, year after year? Because they have learned over all this time of being with me
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  that it takes time for things to sink in, to make sense, to become their own, to be applicable, and it's through the process of falling in love with the process and not
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  just the quick outcome. So if there is something that you want to learn, go all in on it. Invest in it, spend some time with it. Get to decide if it's really for you or
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  not, you know, like, I just spent time some of you, I think, know this. I think I've mentioned this, like, this was my first time in like 25 years. I've worked for myself for
• 33:32
  25 years, and I went into a little adventure, and I went out into the world, and I got, like, a part time gig for like six months working with somebody else and
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  for somebody else, and they're lovely, and I had a great time, and I met amazing people, and I realized, like, my my business me doing my own thing, that's where it's at.
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  But I'm so glad like that I trust myself, and I'm adventurous enough and willing enough to go out and do the thing and find like, it's Fauci, right? You know me, I got
• 34:00
  a Fauci. I gotta fuck around and find out, but I love going out and finding out things about myself and finding out what really works for me, and spending some time with
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  things, and spending enough time that I can make an educated, you know, not an educated guess, but like an I can be an informed decision. That's what I'm trying to say. So
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  I hope this has been helpful in some way. And those of you who have been listening to this podcast, we're going to be coming up on six years. I can't even believe it. We're
• 34:30
  going to be coming up on six years in like 300 episodes soon. So those of you who have been hanging in with me, maybe you understand better than anybody, how it is to
• 34:39
  continually to hear these things. This a podcast, you know, yeah, it's usually done fairly quickly or whatever, but it's, it's kind of like over time, you might hear some
• 34:49
  repetition, some repeated things. I do that on purpose because I know how learning actually works. And it often takes time for things to like, sink in. Karen, right? So
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  less microwave con more, more crock pot, more slow cooker, right? More slow learning in 2025 and if you're interested right, in learning from me, there's a bunch of fun
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  ways you guys to spend time together. So if you just go to my website, Karen kenney.com, you'll see like all the different ways to work with me, right? You can work with me
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  one to one in the quest. That's just Karen kenney.com/quest if you want to join my group program, my group experience, spiritual mentoring, that's Karen
• 35:32
  kenney.com/nest if you want to start doing some online yoga, I'm teaching online yoga. So now, no matter where you are in the country or whatever you can tune in Tuesday
• 35:43
  nights at 6pm Eastern, and that's just Karen kenney.com/yoga of course, you can always just get on my email list, all those things, all that stuff you can find on my website,
• 35:55
  and you could also just keep listening to the show. But I do hope that I get to work with some of you at some point, either in the nest or one to one in the quest, or
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  maybe I'll see you online in a workshop or a yoga class or whatever. That would be amazing. So I appreciate you guys. Thank you so much for spending some time with me, for
• 36:13
  spending some slow time with me. If you made it all the way to this episode, I really appreciate it and you. And then wherever you go, may you just take your time a little
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  bit. May you go out into the world and just like ease on down the road, keep it a little slow and low right wherever you go. May you leave yourself and the animals and the
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  environment and the people in the planet better than how you found them wherever you go. May you be a blessing. Bye. Bye.